Offering help with bass stuff

[random tundra]

Is this the false folds vibrating?

[fervent crow]

No, also doesnt sound like false fold at the begining either

[random tundra]

Shi

Maybe I'm not even doing throat bass 😪

[fervent crow]

Im thinking maybe tbh-

Might be slizzer bass-

Or baboon bass

[random tundra]

Hear it again

[fervent crow]

Yup def slizzer bass

Listen to the overtones and how round it sounds

[random tundra]

There is overtones on this

[random tundra]

I really don't know

[fervent crow]

Sounds bubbly and gurgly in a way

[random tundra]

This is the second time I learned a different bass trying to get throat bass

First I got chest

Now slizzer

Shi I suck there is no way

[fervent crow]

Slizzer bass is basically throat bas ls equivilent of vocalized chest bass

[random tundra]

How that work

Because throat bass is already vocalized

[fervent crow]

Slizzer bass is 1st subharmonic vocalized chest bass

Same subharmonicnand interval as throat bass

[random tundra]

At least my vibration is right now, I think

[random tundra]

Aaaaah

But

The false folds are vibrating too, right?

[fervent crow]

No

[random tundra]

Crap

[fervent crow]

Just epiglottis

[random tundra]

It's even crazier that I got vibration

Only sound that I can do that uses the false folds then

Holy crap

I'm fckd to learn high pitched throat bass lol

[fervent crow]

Vibration is a little more reliant on your constricted singing when learning it, but the tightness for slizzer bass assists it

[random tundra]

How do I make slizzer bass into throat bass?

[random tundra]

It's weird because I really don't feel the same thing of doing other sounds that uses the eppiglotis

[fervent crow]

Most dont

Thats the issue

[random tundra]

And how do I differentiate then?

[fervent crow]

Just because of how the epiglottis is, and also how it sounds subharmonic wise

[fervent crow]

So, throat bass is super sharp

Thsts a big one

Chest bass is round and bubbly almost, throat bass is sharp

[random tundra]

(Is it "then" or "them"? Lol my english sucks

[fervent crow]

Imagine it like two lines, you bend them, one has hills and rounded lumps, the other is spikes

(Its them)

[random tundra]

Ah ok ty lmao

[fervent crow]

(Then is for a time and place, like back then or also usrd for show me then)

[random tundra]

AAAAAH yeah ywah

And them is the pronoun

OK ty

[fervent crow]

Yes

[random tundra]

I forgot about thag

[random tundra]

How it feels compared to slizzer bass?

Because on sound

[fervent crow]

(And then "than" is comparing things, more than this, this has more than that, i like this more than that)

[random tundra]

I don't see much difference when I hear other people doing throat bass

[random tundra]

Yup

Ty

[random tundra]

Even with throat singing

[fervent crow]

Throat bass is sharp like sandpaper in a way

Theres really no muscle that sounds like it

While epiglottis can be compared to tongue bass

[random tundra]

its weird because for me there is no difference

I swear

[fervent crow]

Therew a full different

Difference

I think what you need to do is work on training your ear

[random tundra]

its probably because Im not used to compare these things

[fervent crow]

And ive had these shoved into my ears constantly

[random tundra]

like when people are learning an instrument and they cant differentiate the notes

by hear

[random tundra]

yep

exactly

[fervent crow]

I think mainly training your ear for texture

not notes

[random tundra]

yes that was just an example

[fervent crow]

Notes dont matter really unless you are pitching

Yee just maiing sure lol

[random tundra]

sooo

what should I do to make slizzer bass into throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Hmm, theres a few things

Firs tof all, no deep breathing

[random tundra]

I guess I'll notice the difference when I get it

since it uses other muscle

[fervent crow]

A way i visualize is it one is breathing with the chest and the the other you kinda breath with your throat in a way

[random tundra]

when I that I got slizzer

not throat

[fervent crow]

Another thing, do constricted singing, and try to keep that exact same position and breathing

[random tundra]

before that every time I tried I would get vocalized chest bass

[fervent crow]

Going from chest bass to throat bassnis very hard

So will take alot of messing around on your part

[random tundra]

what if I go from vibration to throat

because I can do vibration

[fervent crow]

Hmm, also possible and also very hadd

Hard*

But what you can tey for that is... Doing it on a higher pitch

[random tundra]

like

trying to bang the false folds with air?

[fervent crow]

Kinda yeah

[random tundra]

because if I do that I get vibration instantly

this is the way I got vibration

and normally how I do it

[fervent crow]

Yeah, abd gonna have to reinvent it

Every method can be used to learn every sound-

In the throat that is

Theres only so much i can do to help

I dont have your throat or voice

[random tundra]

yeah

that makes sense

completely understandable

[fervent crow]

I can simply give you pointers on what to look for, if you are doingnit right, or if something comes to my head

Rn, before anything

[random tundra]

btw wtf is abd 😭

[fervent crow]

Try just finding all the differences you can between my throat bass, slizzer bass, and vcb

[fervent crow]

And

Just a typo

[random tundra]

ah ok lmao

[random tundra]

I can really tell the difference between my slizzer bass and vcb

but when I do slizzer bass and compare to other people throat I really dont see any difference

I guess I need to hear more slizzer bass

[fervent crow]

Then train that

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

Have to remember my epiglottis stuff isnt great-

The hardest slizzer bass to tell is dlows slizzer bass

[random tundra]

yeah I can see its more round

but for me, my slizzer bass sounds more sharp

so

if I do a really high chest bass and vocalized it I

I get the slizzer bass

just noticed that

its the same position

now I need to find a way to get throat bass lol

[random tundra]

Is this something closer to throat bass?

[fervent crow]

yes

[random tundra]

It's is throat bass or just something closer? 😭

[random tundra]

I was trying to do this without doing vibration

[fervent crow]

it sounds like a beginer throat bass

[random tundra]

FINALLY

I will practice it for a bit

Next week Ill show u again

I need to get used to it

The funny part is that I still see no difference between this and the slizzer bass

Lol

But I trust in u

[random tundra]

I think is switching between throat bass and slizzer bass when I sustain it

Probably because I'm not used to do it

[fervent crow]

Probably

it was a mix of that hut also how constricted it is

[random tundra]

like

if I put more breath into it, I gets into vibration bass

and if I put more pressure its slizzer bass

its a really weird spot

hard to control it ngl

[random tundra]

even tho the sound is almost the same thing, the feeling is different

[fervent crow]

yeah

thats one of the big parts

they do sound very simular unless you have a trained ear, but they feel very different

you instead feel the sharpness i was talking abut

[random tundra]

yeaaaaaaaaah

exactly

other thing

its ALOT easier to switch from this to vibration

100 times easier

[fervent crow]

makes sense

as you arent going from one muscle to a completely different two-

[random tundra]

yes

like

with the other sound

its not just "engaging" the vibration

the feeling is like switch from a sound to another

with this is just

bbreath

booom

vibvration

almost like if it was more like a spectrum

of vibration bass and throat bass

[fervent crow]

yeah

[sleek igloo]

what is chest + chest? An airier deeper chest bass?

[fervent crow]

No

Two chest basses into one

Or not into one

Sorry

Two chest basses at once

Tight and loose

Poly chest bass

[fervent crow]

^^

Thatw ould be more zombie bass, which i forgot to put on the list

[sleek igloo]

what's the difference between tight and loose chest bass?

[fervent crow]

Ones tight and higher up the epiglottis, ones loose and lower down

Really all there is too it

anyways internets bouta turn off continue in morning

Searxh up ervhino for example of poly chest

His italian beatbox week vid

[sleek igloo]

no worries

[fervent crow]

Wait, jt didnt turn off

Lets go

I can continue

Even tho its 12am and i should probs sleep

[sleek igloo]

I'm in Japan timezone so its understandable haha

[random tundra]

Hmm

So I got 5 outward chest basses

That's cool

[random tundra]

Yeah I noticed that lol

[random tundra]

There is any way to change between loose and tight inward bass?

[fervent crow]

In quick succession.. Maybe?

Over all yes

[fervent crow]

Two adjustments for yall

[karmic igloo]

Need help ..
why does my throat bass sounds like I am kermit the frog ?
Where am I going wrong ?

[narrow pike]

too much kermit in your epiglottis

[karmic igloo]

Like my normal sound is a bit of heavty and soggy ... but when I try to do throat bass, or even clear my throat, I hit the kermit sound
as if Im just going to vomit. ( 1yr+ of trying to learn throat bass, never got guidance )

[narrow pike]

damn

its epiglottis tilt basically

if youre doing kermit voice your sort of curling your epiglottis towards your larynx

[karmic igloo]

so when I try to relax that, I loose my vibrations .. or the vibration falls lower in the throat ( where I feel it a bit of drying up when doing the vibration )

[narrow pike]

yea you want the vibration lower in your throat

sounds like youve been doing some sort of weird kermit epiglottis oscillation

throat bass is just true cords + false cords

[karmic igloo]

yep because I couldn't make it vibrate without tensioning my throat

it's like have you heard the "aaaAAAAAA" cat sound ? that's my relaxed throat, and it wouldn't vibrate until I make it the Kermit sound.

[fervent crow]

Are you certainnits throat bass then?

Cause could entirly be slizzer bass or vocalized chest bass

As those use kermit position

[narrow pike]

the meow squeak? yea I can kinda get something similar using my throat by just vocalizing a tight kermit

[karmic igloo]

no not the squeak .. I mean the literal "AAAAAAA" sound ... The meme cat ( people play on soundboard too )

[narrow pike]

tf

[karmic igloo]

open throat relaxed Aahhhhh sigh

[fervent crow]

If it is either of the two basses i said truely, dont be down on it, cause i can tell you most people here have strugglrd with that same issue

[karmic igloo]

hmm so basically I have to try to bring the vibration down in my throat ?

[fervent crow]

That

[karmic igloo]

By relaxing epiglottis

[fervent crow]

And dont deep breath

[narrow pike]

wrong causality

[fervent crow]

No epiglottis use necissary at all

Actuslly you want it to be fully unused

No deep breathing, tighter throat, do constricted singing first

Thats the best way to find the correct position of the false folds without adding a vibration

[karmic igloo]

tight jaw and stiff tongue ?

[fervent crow]

Unrelated

No othrr muscles should be at play

[narrow pike]

I just did that and added a light cough just through my vocal cords, the slightly rougher vibrations like a couple millimeters above the cords are the false cords and thats what you want

[fervent crow]

That is a bad habit

(For whag i was saying not ik)

[karmic igloo]

this is where I have always been wrong then

[fervent crow]

I used to tighten my jaw for throat bass dw lol

Its just a bad habit and makes layering WAY harder

[karmic igloo]

thats what I am doing

[narrow pike]

dont 👍

[fervent crow]

Lol

Learn constricted singing first

[karmic igloo]

I'll do that ... any tutorial you would recommend ?

[fervent crow]

Cause i think yoy are doing slizzer or vocalized chest bass instead

[karmic igloo]

yes

[fervent crow]

Eeeh, ima just make my own in a sec-

[narrow pike]

I just sing a constant tone like an "a", bring the true cords together so you dont hear the tone anymore but your still pressurizing a lil bit and then slightly increase pressure and release at once through true cords and via that you can feel a slight shock to the false cords

[fervent crow]

(You are speaking hiroglyphics rn ik lmao)

[narrow pike]

man explaining hard bruh

[karmic igloo]

I need to learn about my True and False chords, first time hearing this term

[fervent crow]

Exactly

[narrow pike]

ye would recommend

[fervent crow]

Ill grab my diagram for ya

[karmic igloo]

I also have a muscle memory to start saying "Come On" from old Vanoss COD Video ... " Come on get to the chopper "

[karmic igloo]

which is like slizzer bass but only vocals ( like kermit )

[fervent crow]

Those bottom two muscles, the light blue, are what you want

[karmic igloo]

okay I got down enough there's a lot of saliva / cough vibrating along 😮

I guess I just got down even below that

do I need to push down my tongue in my mouth to reach there ? Because only this is helping me to release the tension / pressure ( bit of kermit style ) sound while still vibrating

[narrow pike]

sounds to me like youre tensing the base of your tongue

thus pushing back epiglottis

try fully relaxing your tongue first

[karmic igloo]

I just relesed my tongue pressure and it's the bottom of my throat and I just "khwacked" out so much of Saliva / cough 😭

what am I doing with my life moment.

But I am relaxed and bottom of my throat ( that's what I feel )

[fervent crow]

You dont want to be relaxed

(Or clearing your throat like you want to get someones attention lol)

[karmic igloo]

okay thats hard to transition from constricted singing to vibrating the chords ... it's first going to tight voice and after that the vibration comes

I'll try this for atleast 7 days daily.

[fervent crow]

Yee

Gonna take time and playing around

[karmic igloo]

Thank you so much for putting in so much efforts to help 😭 Thank you

[fervent crow]

Ofc!

Throat bass is deceptivly hard to learn lol

[random tundra]

yeah lol

I think im getting used to it rn

the sound stopped oscillating between slizzer and vibration bass

and I think that I can't see difference between my slizzer bass and others people throat because of jayton voice

im probably doing slizzer bass with it

[fervent crow]

theres a chance yeah

you can combine the two sounds

and it makes a fat throat bass sound

[fervent crow]

updated this for yall!

[random tundra]

btw

what creates the pig bass sound? I know its a uvula vibration

but its weird since you can do inward and outward vocal sounds on top

[fervent crow]

Its basically forcing pressure from in your mouth out your nose

Not from your throat

From your mouth

I cant do it too wel

[random tundra]

I actually use this sound alot

idk but I really like it

[random tundra]

makes sense

so that is why your jaw goes up when you do it

[fervent crow]

Mhm

[random tundra]

not like your jaw

shi idk how the name in english

but like

[fervent crow]

If the pressure came from your throat, you wouldnt be able to vocalize or breath with it

Thats where rimshot struggles

[random tundra]

ye ye

[random tundra]

if you do triples with it, its more noticeable what im saying

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPCyTyHuOZc high pitched fry?

[narrow pike]

yes

[fervent crow]

Thats the most definitive proof that his inward was fry ive ever seen lmao

[random tundra]

lol

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_7OsHlbWI what sound is tomaz doing on 1:01?

[narrow pike]

im not too familiar with evil and hard bass shenanigans but deducing from the glowyness of it and the fact that its tomaz maybe subharmonic vocalized hard bass

you might be able to find something similar to it in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iWHsOMais

idk tho theres a ton of stuff in there

[fervent crow]

If its the same sound i asked avout awhile ago, i beleive either its vocalized evil bass, or vocalized hard bass

Im leaning to vocalized hard bass cause i beleive i noticed more then 2 pitches

[random tundra]

Yeah, it's actually the same

But I asked again because u said it was just him blowing the mic with chest bass, but in the video he doesn't do that lol

[random tundra]

Yeah thats whats is weird about this sound

Sounds polyphonic

[fervent crow]

Yeah, if its the same sound i do beleive its just vocalized hard bass

As that would be 3 pitches

[random tundra]

3?

[fervent crow]

I beleive i heard three distinct notes

[random tundra]

Idk if there is actually 3

But definitely there is more than 1 note

[fervent crow]

Well, compare it to vocalized chest bass

It would be the same subharmonic

Yet theres an extra fullness to ir

Vocalized chest bass is 2 notes

[random tundra]

Maybe it's because of the hard bass undertone

[fervent crow]

No

Undertone is different from 3 pitch fullness

NOW, have to remember how strange hard bass is too

As thats evil bass + chest bass

If there IS only two pitches, then it wouldnt be the undertone but the overtone messing with me, but there is an added detail that vocalized chest bass like that cant match

Looking at what my teacher told me, theres two things it could be

A, perfect 5th vocalized evil bass, or B, vibration poly chest bass

So its hard to tell lol

Just asked him again to get a concrete awenser

[random tundra]

Vibration chest bass would be vocalized chest with a 5th, right?

[fervent crow]

Nnnno

[random tundra]

No?

[fervent crow]

So vibration chest bass is... Weird

Well, you are partially right

But also...

Idk

Its super weird

[random tundra]

Lol

[fervent crow]

Vibration poly chest bass is yes a 5th difference, but its the voice a 5th below the bass

[random tundra]

It would be chest + aryeppiglotis instead?

[random tundra]

I actually don't know if I wrote this correctly lmao

[random tundra]

Actually that would be bv bass

Idk

[fervent crow]

Creates a true subharmonic, and because of it being true, it creates a 3rd pitch without any muscle vibrations

[random tundra]

Aaaah

[fervent crow]

That third pitch being from the air molicules vibrating and hitting eachother

You get the same effect on pianos

[random tundra]

It's not like regular chest bass harmonized with a 5th, where the voice is a 5th up

The eppiglotis would be a 5th up

?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

The epiglottis is higher then the voice, like a reverse subharmonic

(Reverse subharmonic without being an overtone lmao)

My teacher has said that its probably that but he pushes the bass so much more

[random tundra]

But if the eppiglotis is higher than the voice, it would not reach the same subharmonic as slizzer bass?

[random tundra]

Vibration chest?

[fervent crow]

No

Ok so

It wont be slizzer bass, because, slizzer bass the epiglottis is still an octave below the voice

In that case, the epiglottis will be going at a lower pitch then the voice

In vibration chest bass

Its going a 5th higher then the voice

[random tundra]

It's going a 5th higher, but in a lower octave?

[fervent crow]

Octave here rn, doesnt matter much for vibrstion chest bass as its more pitch based

The chest bass is at a higher pitch then the voice

Completely

No other wacky stuff

Voice is lower then the chest bass

Rather then normal the chest bass being lower then the voice

Its completely reversed

SO, the voice is a 5th lower then the chest bass

This is how you do vibration chest bass, OR, as a name i prefure, true subharmonic chest bass

[random tundra]

Ah ok

I think I understood lol

There is other people that use this bass?

I need to hear it more

[fervent crow]

Hmm... Well, i can only name two, 3 if we conferm it being tomaz

My bass teacher subharmonikz, and den is learning it

I can find my teachers recording

[random tundra]

That would be nice

[random tundra]

Yeah this sounds is so nice

[fervent crow]

Yeah

3 pitches but only 2 muscle vibrations

[random tundra]

Btw

I have another question

I was trying to learn the twoh inward bass

With the pono tutorial

And he says that you need to gasp and do inward bass

But like

It's doing inward bass on the gasp position, or gasping while doing inward bass?

[tepid comet]

@fervent crow im here from reddit, where can I find the CEF bass audio?

[fervent crow]

lemme go grab it for ya

[tepid comet]

this is exactly what I was talking about with my unique bass. It sounds like this but its outwards

[tepid comet]

bro i used to listen to this 1:01 clip everyday trying to get it

[tepid comet]

yeah its subharmonic vocalized hard bass

[tepid comet]

just curious have you looked into the health aspects of doing bass? I havent looked into it that much but i could only image some of the sounds that are extremely vocally taxing like crythix bass probably do have long term consequences to training them

[fervent crow]

so this is the best recording i could find from my friend-

[fervent crow]

eeeeh not really? if you train it correctly no

it only causes long term issues if you train incorrectly

crythix was right on the verge of incorrect

tomaz was completely in the incorrect zone

[tepid comet]

this sounds super similar to a bass I do, but the popping noise I make is much larger

[tepid comet]

do you know the actual health implacations? Does your throat just get adapted to the pressure and its chillin for life?

[fervent crow]

if you train it correctly, AS IN, if it begins to hurt for extended period of time, or hurts immensly, and water doesnt help at all, you stop for the next 5 hours or the next day

[fervent crow]

basically

think about calluses

[tepid comet]

helium comment recently on crythix's bass and he said he was scared because pash did a similar technique and ruined his voice for life

[fervent crow]

its your body evolving and adapting to the sound

[tepid comet]

yeah, makes sense

[fervent crow]

see it depends, crythix bass is INSANLY dangerous yes

so requires ALOT of extra care not to wreck your throat

[tepid comet]

he said something along the lines of airry bass's can cause bad damage

idk if its true tho

[fervent crow]

eeeh no

airyness doesnt matter

its tightness

and pressurization

[tepid comet]

https://www.youtube.com/live/0OH8oiTm1mQ?si=iVD1GCVMRroEVzMq&t=11213

3:06:53

[fervent crow]

its why hard bass is so extreamly dangerous

[tepid comet]

ahh gottcha

[fervent crow]

(i also dont trust pros opinions on stuff cause they themselves arent the most educated... one might say they brute force most if not all things-)

(depends on the pro, some are... more researched then others)

[tepid comet]

im going in for a lip surgery in 8 days. and for the next like 6 ish months I probably wont be using my lips for any beatboxing so I can heal without scaring. do you have any very hard basses for me to practice in the meantime? I prefer outwards bass's and im tryna find some cool unique ones

basses that can be done with the mouth closed

[fervent crow]

hmm

[tepid comet]

yeah agreed

[fervent crow]

see to me, hard basses is a term thats subjective

[tepid comet]

any cool sounds I should learn that are closed mouth sounds?

or like nasal bass's like nasal poly

[fervent crow]

hmm, routrine bass is a good one, or just nasal uvula bass in general

[tepid comet]

Ive never heard of routrine bass, do u have a tutorial I can checkout?

[fervent crow]

i can make you one and show you an example of a good one

[tepid comet]

my guess is its niche and not on youtube haha

[tepid comet]

that would be sick

[fervent crow]

im still working on it

it is actually one youtube lol

less nieche then CEF bass or my unsynced vibration bass

[tepid comet]

sounds like hes doing hardbass with with mouth closed

I havent learned hardbass yet, and im 100% going to

[fervent crow]

hard bass isnt the worst, just dangerous

and not easy to do nasally

routrine bass tho

is completely unrelated

its basically 3rd subharmonic nasal uvula bass + throat bass

@tepid comet

[tepid comet]

awesome, ill have to give it a try

thanks for the tutorial!

are u worried about getting a torn uvula at all?

[fervent crow]

i would, if i hadnt been using my uvula for 12 years-

Honestly, most outward uvula sounds are fine

its inward uvula sounds that can cause that

[random tundra]

Me too lol

I thought it was some kind of poly chest bass

But @fervent crow said it's probably vibration chest

[fervent crow]

That would explain why you thought it was poly chest lol, vibration chest is mixed up with it

[random tundra]

Yeah

[tepid comet]

this is the closest ive got

but now that im hearing it again

sound like hes doing an extra step. like it sounds like hes doing that + hard bass

@fervent crow what bass do u think this is?

[tepid comet]

@fervent crow is there anywhere i can find a double chest bass tut?

[narrow pike]

ive thought about something like this as well

fry scream sub? idk if thats possible but does somewhat sound like it would be that

might also just be a vibration bass thats so tight its actually possible with normal vocal fry

which either way it sounds like it wrecks your true cords

[fervent crow]

Kinda more so just annoverly pressurized fry

Like taking alien bass and going way too far

[fervent crow]

With these more niche sounds

No

[narrow pike]

yea true trying it rn its definitely this

[fervent crow]

We plan to, but we need the bass nerds who know about and who can do the sounds to make vids and tutorials

[narrow pike]

feels horrible on the vocal cords tho imma be real

[tepid comet]

yeah and they dont wanna give up their bass's lol

[tepid comet]

any idea asfar as how to put this into a beat. i have legit no idea

[tepid comet]

ill explain it, idek know what to call it

[narrow pike]

with these fry things I like to do em nasally and just use as bassline

also they dont use super much air you can also just do something similar to indicator or enel

[fervent crow]

Not even that, we dont care about gatekeeping- andneven if the pros who do the sound try ajd teach ir, nine time out of ten they are completely wrong-

[tepid comet]

^ heres how i do the bass

[fervent crow]

(Two completely different fry techniques ill ad lol)

[tepid comet]

i can also do it with my mouth closed

and vocalize it

[narrow pike]

I can do both bruh theyre not that different

[tepid comet]

lmfao yeah, im used to it

[fervent crow]

All basses besides mouth basses can be done nasal or oral

[fervent crow]

Ones constricted singing and first subharmonic fry, and the other is a clean normal singing 2nd subharmonic-

[tepid comet]

unfortunately alot of ppl are gatekeeping I think. like crythix and adi krang are the two ppl that come to mind

[tepid comet]

oh i didnt know that

[fervent crow]

Crythix no, hes a different cade

Adi... Hes spoken about it, but its one of those cases where hes just sorta... wrong lol

Crythix doesnt teach it cause he wants people to figure it out, gatekeeping would be misdirecring people

Like infurnape-

[narrow pike]

yes might be completely different terminology but in practice their positions and tightnesses are super close together and its rather easy to switch in between actually

[fervent crow]

Well ofc their positions are the same lmao

[tepid comet]

do u use them in drops?

[narrow pike]

bruh they are not completely different fry techniques

[narrow pike]

nah I dont actually use them as much cus they dont have that much power

[tepid comet]

oh really? i thought he doesnt teach it so the bass is unique?

[tepid comet]

ahh gottcha. makes sense

[fervent crow]

No, from cythix himself he wants people to figure it out

[narrow pike]

compared to like the vibration bass I use and stuff like that

[tepid comet]

any suggestions on what to call this bass?

[fervent crow]

Im one of the few that know exactly how its done

[narrow pike]

Vocal Sizzle

🔥

[fervent crow]

Overpressurized fry works- matches wirh over pressurized chest bass

[tepid comet]

thats a fantastic name lol

[fervent crow]

Vocal deep fry lmao

[tepid comet]

yeah that seems like thats the way it works

what sucks is its not very musical so idk how to actually use it

[fervent crow]

Transirions or bursts

Same way you would use routrine bass

[tepid comet]

yeah but one of my problems rn is i need to actually use it for a second to get the proper sound

kinda like how to get the proper vocal fry it takes a second which is why enel does his fake bass before hand

[narrow pike]

well the way this one works it seems like it might have enough power to even be layered with some stuff

[tepid comet]

yeah its loud irl

but idk what it could be layered with

[fervent crow]

Fry can get super loudnwith the right techniques

Look at alicen

hers rivals inward bass on stage

[narrow pike]

try a laser whistle or sum

normally I find even alien bass cant really do that

[fervent crow]

Irs hard cause of how pressurized it is

[tepid comet]

I can also kinda pitch it or atleast go from loud to soft

[tepid comet]

the problem is its alot easier to do when my mout his very wide open

[tepid comet]

yeah, theres not much air to do a whistle with it either

[narrow pike]

you can actually use pretty short bursts of air to do laser whistles it just has to have enough pressure

[narrow pike]

yea thats also a thing with some fry techniques being way easier with certain jaw positions

[tepid comet]

im so bad at whistles, ive been trying to learn dkoys so I can use my lips aswell

[narrow pike]

dkoys whistle is super hard and may be impossible for some peoples anatomy

I just use a normal laser whistle and cmz bass instead

also sounds cooler imo

[fervent crow]

Things i cant do lol

[tepid comet]

yeah, i think it depends on the teeth alot. although im getting pretty close

ive done it slightly before

so ik i can do it

[fervent crow]

I got my ralik anf thats it-

[tepid comet]

I just needa practice more

[tepid comet]

bro ralik is so hard

ive done it but never got it consistant

[narrow pike]

ong ralik is super inconsistent my tongue lopsided ash which makes the chamber crooked

[fervent crow]

Well ralik, recorder, 3 variations of inward tooth whistle... A high outward whistle ive been layering with-

[tepid comet]

i really want to learn zekkas whistle aswell but the tutorials are all pretty bad

[tepid comet]

same!

[tepid comet]

wdym by layering? like all at the same time?

[fervent crow]

Layering it ontop of bass and stuff

I can also do it airless like pono

[narrow pike]

bro got 3 variations of inward tooth whistle and cant do it outward 💔

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

Inward tooth whistle is easy tbh

Teeth on bottom lip, tongue nearby

[narrow pike]

try a tooth whistle and start hyperventilating

maybe 2.5 switches per second

keep tongue a little flaccid

I can get a laser whistle completely by accident that way

might work for you idk

[fervent crow]

But from what ive heard outward tooth whistle is a super different position-

[narrow pike]

theres tons of small variations

[fervent crow]

I can do something simular to outward tooth whistle, super simular position to inward, yk teeth on bottom lip

Super high pitch and is quite nice with uvula bass

Sounds like a cricket

[narrow pike]

honestly for me I even do cmz bass a position more similar to tooth whistle

like bottom lip not curled over teeth and stuff

wait

you got a tooth extracted right?

depending on which one that might majorly mess the airstream up when doing it outward but not inward

[narrow pike]

it might make 1 type of whale whistle way easier for you

2 even

[random tundra]

kinda sounds like if you were mixing twoh poly with fry

[tepid comet]

its different but i can do that aswell

it gives me an extremely weird sound idk how to use it either

it just doesnt sound that good

[narrow pike]

g full on abusing his vocal cords lol

[tepid comet]

lmfao, its lowkey fun

[narrow pike]

personally im not the biggest fan of super tight pressurized vocal basses

like doing em

they can sound cool but it feels like im shredding my throat

[tepid comet]

im honestly not a fan of the way they sounds but I like doing them.

Idk why but I kinda like the fact that I can push my throat to its limits, and then have it build up a tolerance and push further.

I really enjoy unique sounds and when it comes to hard bass's they take a while to actually get down compared to other stuff like combos where really good beatboxers can counter you off of just hearing what you did once

[tepid comet]

yeah, fair enough. i lowkey like it, and the fact that it cant be replicated without months of hard work is super rewarding

like crythix's bass is a really good example. he said it hurt alot but now hes got the sickest bass in beatbox imo

and its impossible to recreate or counter without months of training

[narrow pike]

ye true I mean I do poly sub vibration bass (the same way osis does it) and im working on adding routrine bass ontop of that atm

stuff like this takes ages to get right

but I also way prefer just looser subharmonic sounds as they sound sick asf and arent as harsh on the throat

and loose subs can get super powerful if done right

[narrow pike]

yea its sick and what I really like about vocal basses is if you spend enough time you can get unique sounds out of that

crythix being a good example ofc

honestly tho id never learn crythix bass cus a it massacrates your throat if done incorrectly and b itd just sound like a crythix ripoff

[tepid comet]

yeah agreed, although i think it might be worth learning so you can combine it with other sounds or make vartiations. like image it combined with a whistle or something

[tepid comet]

yeah i think thats such a cool factor of learning these kinds of sounds

I watch dlows content alot and when hes reacting to ppl, he'll pause the video and do the exact same thing, or something super similar.

but with special sounds and unique bass's its not possible to do which makes it so much cooler imo

[tepid comet]

valid. i honestly think loose subharmonics are harder to do and harder to get consistant

like with my "sizzle bass" it doesnt really matter how the popping sounds because in general it all sounds the same but if I made it looser I would need to be much more precise for it to sound good

[narrow pike]

yea this is probably true I think pressurized subharmonics will tend to only have maybe even a handful of stable subpositions whereas for example with my poly sub vibration bass it uses a shield poly / poly sub as a basis which I can already slide around in very easily to achieve different frequency distributions

so its pretty much just a spectrum of a sound that has a huge stable range so its harder to pinpoint which subposition you really wanna use

I can pretty easily slide around in my vibration bass without losing the vibration part

[tepid comet]

YES, this is exactly what im saying.

one time i slid around my vocal fry trying to do enel bass and my voice sounded like an electric guitar, i havent been able to replicate it at all but it sounded so inhuman that i became obsessed

[tepid comet]

i think thats what makes bass's so good. theres so many sounds to be made almost everyone can make something unique if they try

[narrow pike]

fr

[narrow pike]

maybe instead of going into fry sub you did outward double fry idk tho

inward double fry can sound somewhat electric might be

[tepid comet]

yeah i think thats what it was

it was an outwards double fry

with my normal voice also coming through

all 3 sounds were at the perfect amounts being used

but its not even worth training imo cuz its so hard to do, i dont think its possible to do consistently

[narrow pike]

when I was still really dabbling around with fry I noticed that you can just unnaturally force a fry in super many positions

[narrow pike]

mightve been double fry sub which would be insane just a guess tho

[tepid comet]

ayo wtf

[narrow pike]

fry stuff needs to be really warmed up to be consistent

[tepid comet]

i just made a new sound on accident

u ever try a normal bass but put your lips together to layer a lip bass?

[narrow pike]

ye

[tepid comet]

yeah, im not able to do it without like an intro

[tepid comet]

if u push hard u can get a lip fry

it sound like a popping sound but its made by the vibration of ur lips

[tepid comet]

for sure

[narrow pike]

yea with like singular air bubbles escaping?

dunno how usable that sound would be tho

[tepid comet]

yes, exactly

kinda sound like a long held spit snare

[tepid comet]

this isnt the best example

but u said it perfectly

I had no idea that was possible, pretty cool

[narrow pike]

ah

[random tundra]

Yeah, I can do that with tongue flute

Poly + tongue flute

It's really cool

[tepid comet]

yes, exactly

i wonder why not many beatboxers do that

its pretty simple

[random tundra]

Yep

[narrow pike]

similar to footboxg's lip synth just without the tongue

[random tundra]

It's cool beacuse you can do full chords with it

[narrow pike]

very tight but not quite as continuous as say a trumpet

[tepid comet]

yeah yeah, i never understood his technique but that makes sense

[tepid comet]

yeah, and you can pitch them differently

[narrow pike]

pretty sure the tongue version would only be compatible with higher frequencies

you might actually be able to layer your version with a ton of your pressurized vocal basses actually

[narrow pike]

back to this again shortly, it might be similar to vahtangs technique which he can definitely do consistently his is more like a poly

[tepid comet]

yes

[narrow pike]

but honestly I consider fry sub to be somewhat polyphonic

[tepid comet]

I can do the hollow whistle + high poly + vocal fry

it doesnt sound very good haha

[tepid comet]

but its unique ig

[tepid comet]

agreed

especially depending on your fry to normal voice ratio

[narrow pike]

yes

[tepid comet]

i think vatang gargles spit

i think his base is uvular

[narrow pike]

nah I mean like his electric guitar thing

dont think hed be able to do that consistently while its spit dependent

[tepid comet]

ahhh gotthcha, i think he sings into the bottom of his mouth to create some kinda filter effect + post production audio makes it sound much more like a guitar

[random tundra]

I can do something close

[tepid comet]

send the audio id love to hear it

[random tundra]

Tongue flute + chest + poly

[tepid comet]

im sure the techniques are super similar

[random tundra]

Yep

[random tundra]

I ill

[tepid comet]

i dont understand the chest + poly part

id love to hear it

mine was hollow whistle + poly + vocal fry

[narrow pike]

I think vahtangs is more like a fried poly and he only has like 2 positions where its really distinct and works I believe

[tepid comet]

really? what do u think the mouth position is then?

he drops his jaw and like sings into the bottom i think

[random tundra]

poly voice like stitch does

with chest bass

[narrow pike]

epiglottis angling and mouth resonance

[random tundra]

first one is without the tongue flute

kinda hard to hear the poly

[tepid comet]

just to confirm, when you say change the sub position this is what ur talkin about right?

[tepid comet]

thats with a tounge flute?

thats crazy

[random tundra]

only the second audio

[narrow pike]

ok watched a vid again its 100% some poly, maybe in falsetto that he can fry on command at the position where the cords clip creating more electricity, and does nasally

[tepid comet]

ohhhh yeah i hear it

[random tundra]

first is chest + poly

[tepid comet]

sounds like the undertone of my hollow whistle with i combine it with bass's

[random tundra]

second is chest + poly + tongue flute

[tepid comet]

yeah, hes got a couple really cool sounds. his deep voice throat bass is crazy to me

cuz i can get that deep outwards but i cant do it without vibration or fry

[random tundra]

wtf are you guys talking about

[tepid comet]

i dont think ive heard that from anyone other than u

pretty cool

[tepid comet]

vatang's bass

[random tundra]

yeah that sound is cool

[tepid comet]

how do u do it? im tryna do it and I cant

[random tundra]

but its really hard to hear the poly

[tepid comet]

is it poly but u push harder?

[random tundra]

no

like

[narrow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/ghast-minecraft-cringe-fortnite-gaming-gif-14628693

[random tundra]

you know the feeling of doing poly, like if it was a really vocalized whisper?

try to do that with high pitched vocalized chest bass

thats the way I got it

[random tundra]

doing high pitched chest and adding this feeling of the poly

[tepid comet]

is my poly right?

[random tundra]

nope

[tepid comet]

am i starting with the right sound?

bruh 💀

[random tundra]

its the same poly that stitch does

this one

[narrow pike]

fr tho yea I think with fry there are an immense amount of variables at play, like in the clip for example the frequency is super high meaning you barely let the bubble close, how large the opening the bubble gets through is, how tight the corners are, etc

[tepid comet]

i think im so used to adding a fry to mine that i cant undo it

[random tundra]

you are probably tighning too much your voice

[narrow pike]

definitely some falsetto poly in there but youre frying the poly

[random tundra]

my throat is relaxed when I do it

even with chest bass

[random tundra]

try to whisper

[tepid comet]

is this better or the same? haha i cant even tell

[random tundra]

with a falsetto

[random tundra]

I would say its closer than before

[narrow pike]

try whispering an "a" really loud almost just breathing it straight through your vocal cords but still having a tiny amount of vocalization in there then sing a poly on top of that

[random tundra]

you can see that even when I talk whispering the poly comes out

even tho I dont want it

[tepid comet]

😭 its over, i cant do it

[random tundra]

yep

[tepid comet]

i used to be able to

but ig i lost it

[random tundra]

you can do the same thing with chest voice

thats how I got shield poly

[narrow pike]

shield poly on its own sounds like straight ass tho imo

[random tundra]

its kinda cool

when you get the sound clean

[narrow pike]

I dont use it without vibrationing it

[random tundra]

mine is really inconsistent

but when I do it right

sounds really good

[narrow pike]

well layering some sounds with shield poly it can create really grimey textures which is dope but on its own it just sounds like a deep moan which is kinda sus

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

hell yea bruh I love lollygaggin around and creating silly ahh sounds

[tepid comet]

haha, i gtg but I really enjoyed the chat guys. maybe ill come back after practicing my poly to try that poly + chest bass combo 🫡

[random tundra]

I actually cant do that lol\

[random tundra]

search for some tutorials

its actually a really easy sound

just need to mess around a little bit

with ur voice

[tepid comet]

its hard to hear but sometimes i get a 2nd whisper sound from doing it

[tepid comet]

will do! 🙌

[random tundra]

yeah i can hear that

[narrow pike]

1 thing before you leave tho, youre a fry dude so your vocal cords are used to being super tight, however falsetto poly is actually relatively looser than youd expect, so try different "registers" of tightness when going for it

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[narrow pike]

rest is 100% up to you to find it

[random tundra]

fr

[tepid comet]

got it! thanks guys 🫡 👋

[fervent crow]

When its clean its actually one of the coolest sounds

[narrow pike]

eh idk I just dont like the way it sounds on its own

even when shield does it

doesnt tickle me right

either sounds like a low moan or just too similar to normal voice

[narrow pike]

however apparently inward shield poly is possible

also apparently ive been combining it with my inward bass the entire time

[fervent crow]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBmVt5cN/

[random tundra]

Yeah

[random tundra]

Pls let me hear it

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Uh.. I would guess more the former

[random tundra]

whaht that means? lol

[fervent crow]

The formwr basically means the first option lol

I tbh havnt looked into two H inward cause.. Yk, its another inward sound- lol

[random tundra]

ah ok ty

really?

[fervent crow]

There sso many inward textures now adays its hard to keep track

[random tundra]

lmao that makes sense

[random tundra]

so

I watched the tutorial again and kinda sounds like if its both combined

not inward on gasp position

idk

[fervent crow]

Well you do the gasp, and you add inward onto it probs

[random tundra]

but that feels so weird to do

[fervent crow]

Typixally how it goes

[random tundra]

when I try to do this I just get a really tight inwardr

instead of the gasp sound

sounds terrible

[fervent crow]

this is something moreso you will have to figure out, getting the base sounds is fine, but espesh for inward, thats all trial and error for the user

[tepid comet]

@fervent crow u got a double chest tutorial? im tryna learn crythix's bass low bass so I can make my own variation

[fervent crow]

I sadly dont, it is one of those basses i cant do

Also crythix bass is so different from normal double chest its mad

[random tundra]

there is any tutorial on double chest bass?

[fervent crow]

Nope

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyedxcmSFVI 1:11 is this some variation of chest bass?

[fervent crow]

Beleive its inward

[random tundra]

really?

sometimes it kinda sounds like there is vocal fry on it actually

[fervent crow]

If there was, would be den / dropical inward

Aka textured inward as its called

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNd9MjBFONE at 1:19 it kinda sounds like fry

idk

btw

is electric bass just throat bass or its another thing?

[fervent crow]

Enel electric bass?

[narrow pike]

nah I think he means the bass wawad calls electric bass

[fervent crow]

And besides the high pitch, listen to when hes doing the "huma" or whatever the pronounciation is

[fervent crow]

Man can beatboxers decide on naming things not stupidly-

[narrow pike]

yea fr

[fervent crow]

Enel eletric bass, electric bass, electro bass

Enel electric bass, full 2nd sub fry, electro bass, tight toothroll with a filter

[narrow pike]

yea this one of the most annoying names to me cuz iirc its just a slightly differently vocalized throat bass

[fervent crow]

Lol

Throat bass can be vocalized so much and so little-

Inertias is hyper vocalized

I can get mine just about unvocalized

Actually rhe throat bass garush or galush idk did in tyladubyas longest bass sound vid was SUPER DUPER vocalized throat bass

Generally you can tell from how constricted it is

[random tundra]

exactly

[silver marten]

Hey @fervent crow could you identify this bass I found? Thanks in advance

[fervent crow]

Just simply called tooth roll + uvula bass, no reason for and no need for a special name

One that people dont do much even tho is great for getting a deep and almodt boney sounding bass at times

Just people dont realize how combinable uvula is

[silver marten]

Yeah you can through it in everything

[random tundra]

so

here it is

definitely throat bass now

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

is it possible do add voocal fry to throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Yes, but INSANLY difficult

[random tundra]

really?

there is someone that does it?

[fervent crow]

Eehh, not publicly. My teacher did it

Ive HEARD two h can do it? But idk

Its too hard and precise of a technique to ever be useful

[random tundra]

that makes sense

before i thought that vibration bass was throat with fry lol

but now i know isnt

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Man there was someone AWHILE ago who was ADAMANT that it was cause indicator said it was

[random tundra]

lmao

[fervent crow]

And used the excuse "well hes better then you so hes right"

[random tundra]

lmaooooooo

[fervent crow]

Just GRAAAH

[random tundra]

bro indicator bass is something i never understand

he says its a subharmonic note with the mouth and nose at the same time

like wtf

a subharmonic with your nose

[fervent crow]

No

Hes just wrong lmao

[random tundra]

LMAO

[fervent crow]

Cause thats physically impossible

What he said litterally was "nasal and oral fry subharmonics are two different sounds and you combine them"

No

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

thats wrong on SO many levels

[random tundra]

that never made sense in my head

[fervent crow]

Just because you change what hole you are breathing out of doesnt change the sound

[random tundra]

exactly lmao

[fervent crow]

If it changed the sound IT WOULDNT BE THE SAME SOUND ANYMORE-

the ONLY bass that changes depending on if its oral or nasal, is uvula bass

Thats the only one where there is oral and nasal uvula bass

But cannot be combined

All alien bass is, is constricted singing on 1st subharmonic fry sub

And the breathing through the mouth and nose at tue same time

Is dual projection

[random tundra]

that kinda sounds hard to combine

[fervent crow]

Not really

Actually irs way easier then a good fry sub

Well concept wise

[random tundra]

idk i just really suck at fry lol

[fervent crow]

Fair lol

I do it occasionally, naturally its too quiet

[random tundra]

i think that of all the vocal sounds, fry its the one that i least explored

and tried to learn things with

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

(This is rhe same thing codfish does for his vibration bass to get it to sound so textured yet so vocalized)

[random tundra]

doing that would make basses sound louder or not?

[fervent crow]

Yes

[random tundra]

hmmm

thats interesting

btw

u know when u do an outward bass breathing trough the diaphragm

[fervent crow]

When you do a bass orally, its much bassier, and vocals come through better, but nasally the texture and volume come through more

[random tundra]

this works with inward bass?

[fervent crow]

Yes

[random tundra]

i use that alot with vibration and chest bass to make it louder

but doesnt seem to work well with inward

its weird

[fervent crow]

All the diapragm does is it allows for much more air use

[random tundra]

yeah i have noticed that before

with inward the rattle is more noticeable

and has more sub

[fervent crow]

And when you take both of those and do them at the same time..

[random tundra]

yeah i def will learn that lol

[fervent crow]

It works best with vibration tho

And fry sub

[random tundra]

i really need to work with my inward volume

[fervent crow]

Yes

More air, tighter inward, goes a long way

[random tundra]

yep

[narrow pike]

yea its pretty quiet unless youve warmed it up for half an hour

[fervent crow]

Even then-

[narrow pike]

which gets annoying cus until then its also a little inconsistent

eh you can get it decently loud but its nowhere near a vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Indicators isnt even very loud lol

[narrow pike]

both are reasons why ive just decided to ditch fry sub and alien bass entirely

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol, fair

[narrow pike]

also I wonder if a fry scream throat bass is possible

cus I dont actually know the mechanics behind fry screaming

I just imagine it might sound crazy

[random tundra]

i dont think so

that would be almost like combining false fold scream with fry scream

[narrow pike]

perchance a fry scream vibration bass only then

[fervent crow]

Well, thay would still require throat bass

[random tundra]

yep lol

[fervent crow]

You would have to be able to do fry scream + throat bass to transition to vibration

[random tundra]

i think that vibration false folds scream is more possible

[narrow pike]

ye ik might just be way harder to separate it out

cus for example for me a poly sub throat bass is harder to keep stable than the vibration bass of it

[random tundra]

poly sub throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Makes sense to an extent, espesh if your poly sub is naturallt 2nd subharmonic

[fervent crow]

Shield poly + throat bass

[random tundra]

didnt know that this is possible

cool

[fervent crow]

Yeah

If your shield poly is 2nd tho would make sense why vibration is easier

[narrow pike]

ye it probably is then

[fervent crow]

Yeah

I cant do shield poly yet

It and chest bass are my main things i needa learn

[random tundra]

if you can do stitch poly

try to do it with chest voice

for me it worked perfect

even tho im terrible with it

[fervent crow]

Ive tried

Most i can sometimes get is a very slight high pitch shield poly lol

And thats only sometimes

Doesnt help my high harmonic poly is usually like 4th subharmonic and i hollow my throat for it-

[narrow pike]

also like recently since ive gotten normal vibration bass ive been playing around with different distances between arytenoids and the laryngeal wall in the front towards the thyroid and ive gotten something more similar to remix's vibration bass (I think) but more importantly with that suddenly I had like 9 main frequencies or sum like that when I did that with a poly sub

[random tundra]

i was about to ask that

the difference between normal vibration and remix vibration

[fervent crow]

So me and my mentor beleive remix's is closer to poly chest bass or vibration chest bass

[random tundra]

how?

[fervent crow]

One of the big things being it has a heavy gollum filter, yet its still liud and the vibration is unempeded

[narrow pike]

have you looked at how kindreon did it in his vid?

[narrow pike]

cuz that was my reference for this

[random tundra]

i didnt understood nothing lmao

[fervent crow]

No-

[narrow pike]

do it

[random tundra]

that laryngoscopy?

[fervent crow]

I usuallt dont pay attention to those aspects, i know what muscles it uses to i just selectivly play with those muscles

[narrow pike]

and also look at how some of the basses he showed had the epiglottis start oscillating in the air instead of against something

[narrow pike]

honestly do it it might instantly teach you shield poly

it feels exactly the way it looks

[fervent crow]

Well depends, cause theres an epiglottic rattle

Which is simular to that

Zombie bass looks like it but it is actually vibrating against the wall

[narrow pike]

nah it was actually a very small vibration

like really in the air

just oscillating maybe a couple millimeters

[fervent crow]

I mean makes sense

Watchinf it

Otherwise it would just aound like a tongue bass

[narrow pike]

so maybe this small epiglottal vibration is something remixes vibration bass leverages

[fervent crow]

Eeeh, issue is, then you have the problem of gollum dampening as it can be called

[narrow pike]

so maybe it is being dampened

look at how he does the whispered remix bass

nr 59 I think

has also an angle of airstream that would make sense for that to happen