Offering help with bass stuff

[fervent crow]

^

[random tundra]

what makes a sound have this "evil" characteristic?

[fervent crow]

basically where its super presurrized simular to evil bass

[random tundra]

i thought that evil bass was only 1 sound

[random tundra]

ah ok

[fervent crow]

alot of sounds have it

throat bass has an evil register

uvula bass

tongue bass even

thats what drill bass is

[random tundra]

damn

thats cool, didn't knew about that

and I never thought that this is possible lol

[fervent crow]

lol yeah

like this is evil uvula bass

[random tundra]

wait I think I actually got the sound

lol

holy shi I almost vomited trying to do it

I think that is it

[random tundra]

doing this with throat bass probably hurts so much

[fervent crow]

sounds like it just need to get tighter lol

gets it bassier

[random tundra]

yeah probably

[fervent crow]

i used to kinda do evil throat bass

but never to its full potential

[random tundra]

my throat is hurting just by hearing this

[fervent crow]

oh did mine

[narrow pike]

we calling it a register now?

crazy

[fervent crow]

Lol basically

[young citrus]

its not bass but, i mixed a normal whistle with poh whistle

is that new

[random tundra]

yo

why helium inward bass sounds so much like vocal fry?

kinda sounds like he is singing subharmonic notes inward

[fervent crow]

2021 heliums inward is a super pushed back inward fry

[fervent crow]

Wouldnt say so

As poh whistle exists

[fervent crow]

I say 2021 because nowadays he has normal inward

And theres a HUGE difference

[random tundra]

I didn't notice that

I will listen again

[fervent crow]

Yee, 2021 his counter against inertia is inward fry

But you listen to requim for a dream, or whatever the name is, thats normal

2024 also he used normal inward

I think hes basically abandond the fry

[random tundra]

oh yeah there is a huge difference

[fervent crow]

yeah

and its more then just like his inward texture changed, its litterally a different sound

[narrow pike]

one question regarding inward bass; does everyone use some sort of other underlying oscillation to "fuel" the epiglottis' vibration?

cus me personally I cant get the one that vibrates against the pharynx but I can get the one that closes the larynx completely each oscillation

[fervent crow]

not quite, thats actually more closely related to thyroid movement and all that

cause theres tight inward, and loose inward

[narrow pike]

then how that make the epiglottis spring back if it doesnt release the pressure in that way

[fervent crow]

there isnt underlying oscillations persay

well, with the two inwards, one, or tight inward, you lower the epiglottis to touch the thyroids, giving less space for wide oscillations, but still letting air through

[narrow pike]

if you say it like that then im doing the tight one I just cant get my inward vocal fry to not fry when doing it

[fervent crow]

hmm, do you do dens inward then?

cause his is inward + vocal fry

[narrow pike]

yea its somewhat similar weirdly breaking like when not getting it that well sometimes

already thought it was sum like that

I just cant get it any other way tbh

prob cus my fry strong cus of alien and vibration

[fervent crow]

well

vibration wouldnt be related to fry

[narrow pike]

ye ye I just speak in terms of that cus I drive my vibration from the same direction as alien bass

[fervent crow]

ah- yeah was just confusing cause made it sound like you said your fry was strong cause of vbass

[narrow pike]

ye I understand

[fervent crow]

lol

but yeah

inward bass control and texture changing is quite hard

cause not only are there 3 variations, but also theres so many different tightnesses under that

[narrow pike]

yea ight imma just try n max this one then see what I can do from gathering experience with that

[fervent crow]

yee

theres about 3 levels of bass levels

theres beginer where you have the sound but about it, might have a bit of control and its clean but not 100%, mastered where you can do the sound cleanly on most pitches without much prep, and perfected where you can do multiple textures on most pitches

kinda seperate from typical definition of mastered in the community

cause mastered usually means you can do it consistantly and cleanly, and mastered in bass means how well you can do it by itself

[random tundra]

Hey

What I can do to get a better vibration bass texture?

this is my vibration rn

[fervent crow]

Ok do

So*

You arent doing vibration

You are doing something closer to alien bass

Thats your first issue

Or you are doing constricted voice under a super ligt chest bass

Actually that sounds more like it

Def isnt vibration tho

[random tundra]

what

lol I wasn`t expecting that

[random tundra]

but I feel the false folds vibrating

and when I do this bass I`m basically doing a subharmonic note with vocal fry while doing throat bass

[fervent crow]

You feel the false folds going, but thats cause of constricted singing

Which uses false folds

[fervent crow]

Also still wouldnt be vibration if you were actually doing that

[random tundra]

maybe I just suck so much with false folds sounds that my vibration bass doesn`t sound like vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Ah see, like 4 seconds in, you switch to epiglottis

[fervent crow]

No

[random tundra]

really?

holy shi

so

[fervent crow]

Well maybe

[random tundra]

this is what?

[fervent crow]

Vocal fry id a hard one

Def no throat bass to it tho

No throat bass, no aryepiglottic folds

Just constricted singing and either a soft chest bass, or alien bass

Its hard to tell from how gurgly it is

[random tundra]

this is only the fry

so you can se the difference

[fervent crow]

Yes

And adding constricted voice changes it

[random tundra]

so its more like alien bass than vibration bass?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

holy shi this is why my vibration sucks so much 😭

[fervent crow]

My best guess

Super like wet alien bass

[random tundra]

the same thing happened to me when I tried to learn throat bass for the first time

I learned chest bass

instead

[fervent crow]

Acrually i wonder, maybe its...

AH, YOU MIGHT BE DOING CEF BASS

[random tundra]

holy shi why this always happens with false folds sounds

[random tundra]

wtf is this

[fervent crow]

Well ok you are doing a lesser form of it

[random tundra]

man im so confused

[fervent crow]

CEF bass is Chest + Evil + fry, but the evil is optional

That explains why it sounds so gurgly

[random tundra]

its like a subharmonic note on the vocalised chest bass?

like

the same logic of throat bass and vibration bass

[fervent crow]

No, chest bass + vocal fry

[random tundra]

'but with chest

[random tundra]

how do I even do that

[fervent crow]

Can be vocalized or unvocalized

[fervent crow]

Idk but it does happen

[random tundra]

but the vocal fry uses the vocal folds

[fervent crow]

Yes

[random tundra]

how can it be unvocalized

[fervent crow]

You can vocalize and unvocalize fry

Its how you get fry subharmonics or typical subharmonic singing

[random tundra]

like

vocalized vocal fry is basically subharmonic singing?

[fervent crow]

Yes

[random tundra]

this subharmonic singing

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

now that makes sense being vocal fry + chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah it was too round for vocal fry but too fryish for chest bass, so its CF

• constricted singing

[random tundra]

the weird thing about this is that I don`t feel a lower vibration, like when I do chest bass or vocalised chest bass

[fervent crow]

No cause of how combining sounds makes i weird

[random tundra]

its just the false folds vibration

[fervent crow]

When you combine sounds, you feel where the sounfs actually happen

Espesh for CEF bass

[random tundra]

thats actually crazy

[random tundra]

do you have an audio or a video of someone doing this bass?

i actually wanna hear it to see how close my bass is to it

[fervent crow]

I can ask my friend subharmonics who invented it

Years apon years ago

[random tundra]

dude that is sooo crazy

[fervent crow]

Anyways gtg to school

[random tundra]

yeah ok'

[random tundra]

if vibration bass isn't false folds + vocal fry, what it is?

[random tundra]

BRO

I was trying to see if I can get actuall vibration bass

And I started doing a different sound that sounds nasty

This thing sounds so good

I basically did this constricted voice and pushed more with the diaphragm, trying to reach the false folds position

My throat feels so relaxed doing this, it's really weird

Because when I do throat bass, it doesn't feel relaxed like this

It's kinda the same feeling of doing a very relaxed chest bass, but using another muscle instead of the eppiglots

If that makes any sense

Lol

[fervent crow]

Vibration is throat bass + aryepiglottic folds

[random tundra]

ah ok

[lucid brook]

how can you distinguish the different parts irl

[fervent crow]

Hmm, kinda difficult

Comes down to knowing where they actually happen, its like focusing on a painfull spot

Alos having different variations of the sounds help

It mainly comes down to alot of precision work and memorizing

Also knowing the different textures

Like every chest bass technique will be quite "round" in oscillation

Simular to tongue bass

Throat bass is quite sharp

Basses on the vocal chords are typically quite soft

[lucid brook]

Interesting, would learning how to sing make basses sound better? I’m talking about the vocal ones like throat and chest etc. I feel like I’ve hit a stagnation and can’t further improve my basses and im also stuck on vibration and inward bass

[fervent crow]

Hmmm, i wouldnt say its required for vocalized basses

Moreso takes time and dedicated practice for pitching and experimenting

Also knowing "more constricted singing or tightness means more vocalized, and more air means less voxalized"

Typically

Kinda changes at a high level

[fervent crow]

@random tundra my bass teacher has said to "go from normal chest bass / vocalized chest bass into your vibration"

[random tundra]

Here it is

[random tundra]

@fervent crow what sound is this?

[wooden cedar]

is it vibration?

[fervent crow]

Sounda like vibration

[fervent crow]

So my teacher just said "it sounds like its hardly changing between the two just slightly more constricted

[fervent crow]

Yes

[wooden cedar]

sick alright

thanks

[fervent crow]

Yee

[random tundra]

yeah now I got it right

now I need to practice it

[random tundra]

ah ok

[random tundra]

what sound is vocodah doing at 5:02? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYyYovDlKY0&t=298s

sounds like a inward evil bass

or a really really tight inward bass

he uses this a lot

[fervent crow]

Sounds like inward evil bass yeah

[random tundra]

do you know how to do it?

I think that I can do normal evil bass

but if I just do it inward like I did with chest bass to get inward bass I don't get nothing

[fervent crow]

hmm, hnestly not something i think ill bw able to explain well

[random tundra]

Lol ok

Np

[past socket]

Hey, you probably get this often. But is there any other way to explain vibration bass without using the "constipation/jayton's" voice explanation? I seriously don't get it since there's types of the constipation voice and I only rarely get complete vibration bass when I relax my throat. Rarely

[narrow pike]

I mean vibration bass isnt really a relaxed sound

I guess its more relaxed in the back than in the front of the throat for me if thats what you mean

it would also be pretty hard to explain vibration bass without jayton voice cus thats literally a component of it

but for me personally jayton voice was never the problem and in the beginning it was more that I couldnt really find a stable throat bass position that works in conjunction with jv so to say

might just be wise to level your throat bass more

you gotta find the jv "type" that works with your throat bass "type"

and if youre good you can even slide around

and sliding around in jv is way easier than throat bass

[past socket]

@narrow pike alright thanks man I'll try to experiment with your info

[fervent crow]

Yeah as they said jayton is necissary for vibration, jayton is spacifically speaking with the false chords

Without going throat bass, then you add throat bass ontop of it and the aryepiglottic folds get triggered

[random tundra]

any tips on hollow lip roll?

I can hollow my throat with some sounds but with lip rolls I can't

idk why

[fervent crow]

Hmm, drop your jaw ALOT for it

And lots of air

[stray vine]

2282 is mad

[fervent crow]

lol

hey basses are hard

[narrow pike]

time spent learning basses is
90% trial and error
5% howd I just hit that
5% trying to lock in a specific texture

[random tundra]

yeah

[random tundra]

this is the max I can

it kinda sounds like its with the hollow thing

but its a reaaally weak hollow sound

[fervent crow]

Hmm, try pressurizing the liproll more? As in making it tighter

Hollow liproll i know is quite unique compared to most hollow sounds

[random tundra]

pressurize?

I dont`t even know how to do that

[fervent crow]

mind you i really cant do hollow liproll as it is weird

[rain light]

Hi. I'm the guy that sent this picture the other week

I think I'm getting close to chest bass but something feels off to me and I can't pinpoint what it is.

This is where I've gotten so far.

[tidal quartz]

@fervent crow remember me?

xd

[fervent crow]

Yes lol

[fervent crow]

That sounds like chest bass

[tidal quartz]

wyd

[fervent crow]

Maybe a little pressurized but its chest bass

[tidal quartz]

just learned liproll bass and "hollow liproll i think" a week ago

[fervent crow]

Ah sick

[tidal quartz]

i kinda need a new bass

i am sick of throat

i want vibration

and hard bass

is vibration hard?

[fervent crow]

Vibration.. Can be depending on your throat bass

[tidal quartz]

imma send a voice msg

wait

[fervent crow]

So, what i can hear is.. Is your tongue in an odd position?

[tidal quartz]

nope?

it s just down

[fervent crow]

Ok

The pronounciation sounds off

Its like weow weow weow rather then the typical woahw woahw woahw

[tidal quartz]

i just pitched it

idk

[fervent crow]

Sounds like some kinda filter, maybe gollum voice

[fervent crow]

Man still sounds likr your tongue is floating lol

Anyways

Vibration it depends from person to person

[tidal quartz]

XD

[fervent crow]

The easiest method is to do jayton voice

[tidal quartz]

what is jayton voice

[fervent crow]

Basically steve-o voice

[tidal quartz]

so constipated voice

right

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[rain light]

Ok. So how would I manage breath control? I've only ever been able to do inwards bass for a few seconds since 2018. This is my first outwards bass so I don't wanna mess this one up.

[tidal quartz]

like pushing the voice

with the diaphragm

[fervent crow]

I use jayton cause its less general then constipated voice

[fervent crow]

I dont do that

its basically speaking with the false folds

Without going throat bass

[tidal quartz]

oh ok

i got it

i cannot be very loud with this voice

it s like i am whispering

[fervent crow]

Sometimes happens

Hmm, might be just doing whisper voice then

[tidal quartz]

not exactly whisper

louder

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[tidal quartz]

just talking

normally

then

what do i do

[fervent crow]

You smush throat bass ontop of that

What it does is it badically preps tue throat bass to be tight enough for vibration

And it should trigger the final vbass muscles

[tidal quartz]

i saw people doing this then tilting head to the side

[fervent crow]

Hmm, chest bass is hard for that cause its super airy

[fervent crow]

Thats up to preference

Not required at all

I do it for unsynced vibration

[tidal quartz]

can you do throat whistle

btw

[fervent crow]

I wish

[fervent crow]

still learning it

[fervent crow]

More constipated

Thats basically whisper voice

Really where throst bass is you wanna speak from there without goung throat bass

Annyways gotta go to school

Talk in a couple hours

[tidal quartz]

kk

[rain light]

Yeah I was noticing that A LOT of air was coming from my nostrils. I try to ease up but I end up losing air withing 2-3 seconds. It gets confusing.

[random tundra]

ngl I didn't understand anything

[random tundra]

throat whistle?

[fervent crow]

Bssically try and do a more pitchy liproll like ay dlows

[fervent crow]

Yeah, chest bass uses alot of air so you rrally needa do alot of circular breathing

[rain light]

You mean like what flutists do? I’ve never thought of doing that but that sounds like a good idea

I see why you’re THE GUY

[random tundra]

circular breath works with vocal techniques?

[fervent crow]

Well ok

It depends

Because doing inward sounds for fillerd with an outward heavy beat counts as it

So say you do alot of vhest bass, you do liproll to get that air back

Or k snare

You dont just do the sounds to do them, alot of yhe time you may do them just for air control

[random tundra]

aaaaaah

I was thinking it was like

breathing in and out at thee same time

[fervent crow]

Nonono

[random tundra]

this is pretty basic actually lol

[fervent crow]

Technically i dont think even circular breathing is like that-

[random tundra]

like trumpet players does

i think is trumpet

i dont remember lol

[fervent crow]

Last i checked no- that shouldnt be humanly possible as our lungs cant pull and push at the same time-

[random tundra]

I think this is getting air in your mouth

and while breating in

you breath out with the air in your mouth

something like that

i dont remember how it works ]

[fervent crow]

Oh, irs more breathing in and using airpressure to continue blowing

Not breathing in and out same time

You leave air in your mouth from breathing out then push it out ehen you inhale

[random tundra]

exactly

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Makes more sense

Yeah no def not that

Just using sounds to breath back in

[random tundra]

that what i was thinking when you said circular breath

with chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah no

would be impossible-

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

Anywaus gtg

[frank crane]

Nasal bass + whistle in inward tooth whistle position

@fervent crow ?

[fervent crow]

Sounds about right

[frank crane]

So what is it?

A variation?

[fervent crow]

Idk maybe? Just sounds like snore bass + inward tooth whistle-

Or snore bass + ice filter

[frank crane]

Maybe

[silver marten]

Hey @fervent crow, I found this bass while trying to learn inward bass, could you identify it? How can I turn it into a proper inward bass? Thanks so much for how much free info you’re giving out here, this is a goldmine.

[fervent crow]

Hmm, is it with the tongue or top of the throat

Its hard to tell with the fffff

[fervent crow]

^^

[silver marten]

With the throat, the tongue isn’t doing anything

[fervent crow]

K

Hmm

Could you try doing it without the ffff sound?

[silver marten]

Funny thing is it sounds completely different to me than in recording (the ffff isn’t there for me)

I’ll try

[fervent crow]

Oh- then maybe try being further from the mic? Something is covering it

[fervent crow]

And yeah ofc! I wanted to help people and it was easier making a forum here then coming across thwm in vcs lol

[silver marten]

Thanks, I’m not figuring out how to do it without the fffff. I’m on an iPhone rn tho and I’ll try again with a proper mic when I can tomorrow

[fervent crow]

Kk

I tbh think its just your mic perishing-

Cause i genuenly cant hear anything, im thinking you are doing uvula tho from what i could hear

[random tundra]

maybe is just ur uvula vibrating

@fervent crow

there is something I can do to hold sounds longer?

specifically with inward and chest bass

I've been practicing these for a couple of time and I still can't hold it for much time

[fervent crow]

Inward comes with time

And just training tightening it to use less air

Chest bass... That one is pretty normal for not holding for long

Its usually used for bursts and not extended things like vibration and throat bass

@random tundra

[random tundra]

really?

[random tundra]

ok

ty man

[fervent crow]

Mhm

[fervent crow]

It requires so much air so unless you have insane lung capacity

Very few people can do it for super extended periods of time

Tho i guess poly also.uses alot.and people do it super long... Idk but chest bass will start more burst based

[random tundra]

yeah I don't have it

[random tundra]

speaking of which, remember when I got my poly chest that I was trying to do chest + vibration bass?

[fervent crow]

Mhm?

[random tundra]

the vibration bass that I was doing wasn't vibration bass, considering what you said

so

I was trying do that weird cef bass thing with chest bass instead of vibration bass with chest bass

then I got this other chest bass

that you said that is poly chest bass

[random tundra]

for me I don't even sound like its poly, but

it is what it is

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Lol

Its tough for poly basses lol

[random tundra]

I will record it again

ignore my parents arguing in the back lol

[random tundra]

I think the only poly chest bass that I`ve heard is Ervinho bass

[fervent crow]

I mean also thsts why, theres so many unknown intervals of tje sound

Ervhino has a very special one

[random tundra]

yeah

[silver marten]

Here's the sound on an actual mic @fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Sounds like uvula

Might i mention quite a decent inward uvula bass

Hmm, ok, to go from tgat to inward...

Breathing way lower down, like tightening your throar not the top of your mouth or moving your tongue in any way

I personally used less vocalized throat bass and hyper ventilated with ir

Recomended to do it with chest bass tho and hyper ventilate

You really wanna get it in your throat, not the uvula which is back of the mouth

[silver marten]

Thanks haha

[silver marten]

sounds interesting, I’ll try

[fervent crow]

My inward uvula bass is uvula clickroll sooo-

[young citrus]

Poh Wistle + Wistle?

[fervent crow]

Yee

[random tundra]

what is shmee bass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXHToToG3VA 1:40

[fervent crow]

sounds like a super low evil bass or super low hard bass

OR its a super low inward

im actually thinking inward more now

inward with a tongue position to filter ot

[random tundra]

it makes sense

btw

do you already know what crythix bass is ?

[fervent crow]

Yes, thats is one of the only basses thst i will not explain tho

[random tundra]

aaaah

whyy

[fervent crow]

As crythix wants people to figure it out- which hurts me cause i love to explain buut

[random tundra]

aah ok ok

np

[random tundra]

i actually have a question about this

[fervent crow]

Mhm?

[random tundra]

hard bass is just evil bass + eppiglotis vibration, right?

[fervent crow]

Evil + chest bass yeah

[random tundra]

how do i make my chest bass vibrate with evil bass?

because the chest bass is super relaxed

[fervent crow]

Hmm... Well yu need a pretty loose and good evil bass first of all

And also need to learn how to do a more constricted chest bass

[random tundra]

and the evil bass tenses everything up

[random tundra]

aaah

so

its not like

the regular chest bass

the big relaxed vibration\

because when I try do both together

the evil bass kills the chest bass sound

because of how tight it is

[fervent crow]

Might be also good to get zombie bass down

So you get used to using your whole epiglottis

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

kinda yeah

then lots of air at first

really trying to get two vibrations going

[random tundra]

ok

tomorrow i ill try it

ty

[fervent crow]

yeeyee

[tidal quartz]

@fervent crow is hard bass harder to learn than inward?

[fervent crow]

100% yes

I would also say more dangerous

[narrow pike]

recently I noticed ive never looked at my alien bass in a spectrogram so I did and noticed that it only somwhat resembles alien bass while sounding really close. yall got any clue what this is?

but when I open my mouth it does look pretty close

not sure tho

[random tundra]

alien bass is 2nd or 3nd sub?

[narrow pike]

alien bass is usually 3rd sub

might be that Im hitting some weird combination of 3rd and 2nd

[fervent crow]

Last i checked alien bass is usually 1st sub with jayton voice

Unless yours is

But 2nd sub fry sub is allreafy hard enough

Yours sounds more like normal vibration bass OR hippy's fry sub

[narrow pike]

wha

I mean I can also get something that looks pretty much exactly like alien bass on a spectrograh but I thought it wasnt low enough so I tried going lower and got whatever that is

[narrow pike]

honestly maybe thats just doing it with a different fry sub than indicator does

which is just very similar

[narrow pike]

yea ok its actually exactly that

[narrow pike]

why didnt I think of this sooner bruh its legit the same concept as getting different vibration bass variations

thanks for provoking new thoughts

[fervent crow]

Yeeyee lol

This is my current autistic obsession

[tidal quartz]

@fervent crow can you recommend me a kinda unique but easy bass that i can learn? also can you tell me if hollow whistle is hard

[fervent crow]

Hollow whistle i cant cause i struggle with ir

But unique or easy bass..

Hmm, thats sadly a very nerrow term for how many basses are used now

Like i would say uvula bass, but its super quiet

[narrow pike]

its hard to find a really unique bass (that sounds good) but once you do itll probably be one of your hardest sounds especially if its vocal

and take ages to level

[fervent crow]

I mean didnt take me too long to master my signature ones

I dont think they mean a signature bass, i think they moreso mean a bass that isnt used too much

And is easy to learn-

[narrow pike]

I mean english isnt my first language so I took unique literally but yea if its that ight

[fervent crow]

So i said uvula bass

[fervent crow]

Well if it was a signature bass, why ask for help lol

[narrow pike]

not easy if your uvula is lopsided af 😭

[narrow pike]

ye true

[fervent crow]

Dang thats two bass nerds i know with lopsided uvulas-

Ima be the only one with double vocal bass ;-;

[narrow pike]

lucky for you then

[fervent crow]

Lol

Tbh none of my signature sounds were particularly hard

My unsynced vibration is weird but not terribly difficulr

My demon tongue bass also weird, but i got it down pretty quick

[narrow pike]

sounds... painful

[fervent crow]

Yes and no

It is quite tight

But not terrible

If you wanna hear my signature sounds, they should be somewhere in dlows beatbox chat?

[narrow pike]

yea I think ive seen a couple of your vids

from what I "learned" here yesterday and rewatching kindreons bass vid I managed to hit an actual vibration bass + fry sub which I didnt even think was possible

I did it for like 30 seconds max and then only my right vocal fold started hurting

[fervent crow]

Hmm, i dont doubt it is, cause fry + throat bass is barely possible

[narrow pike]

so yea idk how imma keep doin that

[narrow pike]

honestly its just pumping the fry + jv with so much pressure that is decides to give up and start vibrationing cuz I start clearly feeling a classic vibration bass feeling in the front false cords

it starts vibrating heavily exactly where you can see the false folds come together in the fry sub thing in kindreons vid

I had to look at it again cause I was not sure at all wtf I was doing but im actually quite certain now

maybe it also just vibrates the single false fold over the misaligned true cord since fry sub + jv is already somewhat misaligned

which is why I had that pain only on the right side

like a theory that I have is that for anything related to the false cords themselves vibrating the subglottal pressure needs to be large enough to actually majorly disrupt the false cords in some spot in order to give it the sufficient energy for that

which would explain why only my right true cord started hurting since I lean my "alien bass" to that side

which would be the same reason why vibration bass can get so uncomfortable when done incorrectly, since instead of just coming close to the false cords with a ton of speed the true cords actually start hitting the false cords with a ton of speed

like I said only a theory but in my experience it does make sense

might also be that it was my false cord hurting im not sure

dunno if the true cords can actually feel "pain"

[fervent crow]

They def can

Inward poly and inward fry cause it

[fervent crow]

Also i beleeeve theres a strange inward bass singing technique where you legit get your false chords to oscillate like your epiglottis or false chords would, like doing throat whistle but trying to do it inwards i think it was

apparently feels super weird and will hurt em

[silver marten]

@fervent crow What is this sound and why is it not really used? Is it because it's too easy? I can put it in a beat and it sounds good. thanks

[fervent crow]

inward fry

and kinda yeah its cause its too easy and not overly bassy, overshadowed completely by inward bass or really any other bass

well, not overly bassy in its raw form that is

its also considered an "overused sound"

back in the day i guess it got used to an insane degree because pretty much everyone can do it

[silver marten]

makes sense thats what i assumed

[fervent crow]

it can be used tho, but now it needs to be mastered (soso, helium in 2021), or perfected (alicen in this server)

mainly its good when you do double inward fry, cause it gets super bassy and rivals inward bass

[random tundra]

how do you do that?

double inward fry

[fervent crow]

uhm, with difficulty and pain-

idk its really just doing a loose and tight fry at the same time

[wooden cedar]

how do i get lip roll

[fervent crow]

Hm, i would recomend napoms liproll tutorial short

Its a very good foundation

[wooden cedar]

any other tips

I can’t really understand it from that

nor does that really work for me

[wooden cedar]

also do you mind explaining what you meant by double vocal bass

[fervent crow]

Hmm, looking to get liproll or liproll bass (i would highly recomend the former buuut)

Also if theres any spacific parts of napoms you struggle with, ask, ALSO, liproll took me nearly a month and a half of complete spam just to build my lip muscles

[fervent crow]

I mean double vocal bass

A tight one high up and a low one at the bottom of the uvula

[wooden cedar]

ah

[wooden cedar]

ok, tbh I struggle with the whole thing, is there potentially an longer explanation that might help more

[fervent crow]

Hmm, i wouldnt say one as good method wise as his

But

I can try and explain it with a bit more detail

[wooden cedar]

please do so 🙏

[fervent crow]

So

Should work, just made a short video

It will likely take a fair bit of time as i said

@wooden cedar

Sorry for it taking a sec, had to compress it

[wooden cedar]

all good, thank you

[fervent crow]

The pulling the tongue back part is one i dont see talked about alot

So people mistakingly put their tongue way too close to their lips

(Same with liproll bass, and they end up with punchy or codfish liproll aka top lip punchy liproll)

[wooden cedar]

Ok that helps more

I still don’t really get how to do it in though

or will that come with the building of the muscle in a few days/weeks

[fervent crow]

Most likely, and just play around with it

Mess around with suction

[narrow pike]

https://tenor.com/view/kumalala-kumalala-kumala-savesta-kumalala-kumala-savesta-tiktok-gif-25640255

[fervent crow]

Oop

[random tundra]

any tips to develop evil bass?

[fervent crow]

Hmm, not quite

That one has ALOT of ways to play around with it

From constricting it more, to pressurizing it more

To loosening it

[random tundra]

Ah ok

So I just will practice it lol

Btw

What creates the evil bass sound?

[narrow pike]

I cant do the evil family but mazefrog for example says that its constricting and pressurizing the false cords to such an extent where the surrounding tissue like arytenoid cartilages start vibrating themselves

which is probably also why its so dangerous

cus theres so much stuff vibrating thats not supposed to be vibrating at all

[fervent crow]

Ok so

Thats false fold evil bass

Completely different from propper evil bass

At the end of the vid he realized that theres epiglottic evil bass

Which is the propper onw

[narrow pike]

ye I only know that one as hard bass tho

[fervent crow]

Hard bass is that + chest bass

Epiglottic evil bass alone is the normal evil bass

[narrow pike]

bruh these naming conventions hella inconsistent

[fervent crow]

Nah just peolle who think they know what they are talking about cause they dont have ears- lol

Hard bass is its own bass

So maaany people think its just evil bass + a tongue shape

Cause they dont listen to the fact it has a super heavy undertone

[narrow pike]

then what even is epiglottal evil bass

[fervent crow]

Basically a super tight and spacific oscillation at thw tip of the epiglottis

And suppper pressurized

[narrow pike]

ah ok

yea I find that these basses sounds kinda disgusting

and with the fact that they can be super harmful I dont think ill ever be dabbling

[fervent crow]

They can be if you pull a tomaz and go way too far with it-

Then again, he didnt really have long term side effects after coughing up blood

Actually every throst based vocal bass besides fry sub and shield poly is teechnically dangerous

[narrow pike]

yea true but that also just doesnt sound too appetising

[fervent crow]

Inward, evil, throat bass, chest, everything inbetween

[narrow pike]

yea I get what you mean

[fervent crow]

Lol

[narrow pike]

doing stuff not intended by the body

[fervent crow]

I just do my evil uvula bass cause its bassier, even if its way quieter

Def not recomended to try this, i have a super developed and strong uvula- so i xan do alot with it

[narrow pike]

that sounds like your uvula is boutta rip off

actually pretty cool tho

[fervent crow]

Lol, idk why i cantfind a recording of it but ive gotten it WAY eviler

My first bass i used alot in beats was uvula bass

Cause i didnt it as a kid for gun noises-

[random tundra]

So that is why I feel my false folds vibrating when I do unvocalized evil bass

When I vocalize it, I feel only the eppiglotis

[fervent crow]

weeellll

ok, so, false folds are one of those things that unless you use ALOT of air, it doesnt get overtly unvocalized

[random tundra]

.

Here it is

And if I do the bass with a high pitched voice, then sustain the same vibration but without the voice, it sounds different

[random tundra]

Idk why but there is a really low note on it

[fervent crow]

can you do it orally quickly?

i need to hear the resonance

[random tundra]

Ah ok

[random tundra]

This is the high pitched thing

That I said

[fervent crow]

yee

[random tundra]

This

[random tundra]

I will record it

[fervent crow]

kk

[random tundra]

There is a really low note under jt

First one

Bro why it keeps editing the message instead of replying it lol

This second one sounds terrible

[fervent crow]

its def epiglottic

[random tundra]

Both?

Because the second one sounds thinner

[fervent crow]

too slow vibration wise for false folds for the unvocalized one

the vocalized... theres aspects of it that make me just think vocalized epiglottic evil bass

[random tundra]

Yeah, but when I stop to vocalize it I doesn't sound like the other one

[fervent crow]

hmm

might just be you constrict it when you vocalize it

and when you unvocalize it you keep that constriction and all

[random tundra]

That make sense

Aaaand

[random tundra]

When I do this thing

The bass doesn't come out with that undertone

It just sounds like diarrhea

[fervent crow]

hmm, the only thing that makes me think its not false fold evil bass... is the fact its in falsetto

now i lost my false fold evil bass

[random tundra]

You don't have any recording of it to compare?

[fervent crow]

hmm, i can find my old one

[random tundra]

Ok

[fervent crow]

this was just over a year ago funny enough

[random tundra]

Yeah

It's really different

Really really different

I think mine is with the eppiglotis

[random tundra]

And what creates this crazy undertone?

It would be the whole eppiglotis vibrating?

[fervent crow]

not the whole

just probs the epiglottis existing

its undertone alone is crazy

its like the different of when i switch from normal uvula bass to evil uvula bass

[random tundra]

Like, the evil bass vibrating + a little bit more of the eppiglotis?

[random tundra]

Yep

[fervent crow]

maaaybbeee

but also that would be close to hard bass

it could be a SUPER messy hardbass

[random tundra]

I was about to say that

[fervent crow]

not quite syncronized

[random tundra]

Yea yea

I will practice that sound

When it starts to get better we'll see that

[fervent crow]

it gets a new undertone, its just what evil state sounds do

[random tundra]

Holy crap

That is really crazy

[random tundra]

How your uvula doesn't break in a half lol

[fervent crow]

ive been doing uvula sounds for 11 years-

or 12

[random tundra]

I'm starting to think that this is actually hardbass

sometimes the undertone comes out so loud

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

this thing is low

its was loud

[fervent crow]

i do think thats more hard bass

[random tundra]

yep

like you said, a really messy hardbass

[fervent crow]

yeah, and not as pressurized as it could be

[random tundra]

maybe if I practice this it will be more noticeable

[fervent crow]

maybe

(tomaz is your reference lmao, super pressurized and less constricted)

[random tundra]

lol ok

I just will practice it for now

after some time I will message you about this again

[fervent crow]

yeeyee

[fervent crow]

some of yall might find this interesting, mainly @marble summit, progression from vocal bass to poly vocal bass

not quite in a harmonic state but was more demonstration

[random tundra]

this is cool

how this sound work?

[fervent crow]

two different oscillations of the uvula

one higher and one lower

simular to poly chest bass

[frank crane]

Yo @fervent crow weird question with this. The 626 effect that stitch uses

Can you tell me if this similar

Nvm it's not cuz of the vid

[silver marten]

@fervent crow I know you mentioned you do uvula click roll bass, does this sound about right? I’ve been on it for about a week, how can I improve it? It’s on an iPhone mic so idk about quality. Thx in advance

[fervent crow]

hmm

i hear your tongue in it

try just going "yep yep yep" with it

its a good tell, uvula clickroll goes yep yep yep and normal bep bep bep

@silver marten

[fervent crow]

man, yall have been so nice to deal with lol, noone straight up denies what i say like say chest bass being the top of the throat

i mean people are nice, but they can be so set on their beleifs

just went on a whole rant about heliums 2021 "inward" cause people have been so misconcepted on it

[random tundra]

Is this Helium vocal fry?

It feels really weird, I know it's inward but it almost feels like and I'm not breathing at all

[fervent crow]

Not quite

Needs ro be way more pushed back

[fervent crow]

And more gollum

[frank crane]

What whistle is this if someone knows

[fervent crow]

Sounds like either the start of ralik whistle or s whistle as i call it

[narrow pike]

imo it sounds like the whistle depends on the lip position somewhat so maybe a very pushed forward type of ralik whistle with maybe a small amount of laser whistle in there

I have a similar whistle to this and that ones definitely a mixture of monopole and dipole whistle to some extent

[fervent crow]

Doesnt seem like it tho, caise i can just about do the same thing

Its a tongue bass whistle

The lip position may HELP or ENHANCE it, but not required

[fervent crow]

Also thats why i said s whistle

S whistle is one more on the gums, its what i use atleast for the falling nuke sound

[narrow pike]

yea but this is also not the best lip position for that whistle

if you do it right where theres the least impedence on the airstream you can more clearly hear what it is

definitely a mixed whistle

also if you look for him he has his tongue more towards the teeth than gum

the laser part happens entirely behind the teeth and the lip only serves to enhance the exit monopole tone

thats why youd either do it in pono whistle position like him or a bottom teeth tch snare position

[random tundra]

Ah ok

Btw

I think that my poly chest bass is actually chest bass + vocal fry

Because when I switch from poly chest to cef bass (cheat + fry + constricted voice), the only difference I feel is the constriction

[fervent crow]

Def isnt, or else wouldnt sound poly

The fry + chest bass start combining

[random tundra]

I really still can't hear it making 2 notes

[fervent crow]

Well its certainly not now

I know your older recording did

Now it just has a heavy overtone

[random tundra]

Yeah the overtones I can hear

It's actually pretty loud

Probably because I'm practicing throat singing

Idk

[random tundra]

I will hear again

But I remember not hearing 2 notes

[fervent crow]

Less that, probs your tongue being in the right position

Chest bass has way louder overtones then throat bass

[random tundra]

Yeah yeah

[random tundra]

The difference is actually pretty big

Most of the overtone that I make with chest bass is withou wanting to do it

With throat bass i really need to focus

idk I just can't hear it being poly chest

[fervent crow]

Hmm, might be bv bass then

Tbh

[random tundra]

I forgot to say it

but when do it unvocalized I doesn't sound like there is more notes

[random tundra]

idk

[random tundra]

is it possible to vocalise chest or inward bass with whistle register?

[fervent crow]

yes

with great difficulty

well idk about inward

[random tundra]

hmmm

[fervent crow]

but chest yes

one person does with a varient of chest bass

[random tundra]

maybe i will practice whistle register now lol

[random tundra]

crythix?

lmao

[fervent crow]

yup

hes one of if not the only person to do any bass with whistle register

[random tundra]

idk about that

but maybe

[fervent crow]

i do think so

[random tundra]

his bass is reeally crazy

[fervent crow]

cause whistle register is INSANLY hard to do on its own

[random tundra]

yep

i can only do it inward

idk why lol

[fervent crow]

and to combine conflicting airflows and conflicting tightnesses with it

doesnt work well

[random tundra]

i remember that when i was a kid

i could do it pretty easily

nowadays is almost impossible

[fervent crow]

well yeah- you were a kid

[random tundra]

exactly lol

[fervent crow]

your voice undropped or unabused

[random tundra]

ngl i want to try it

but i need do learn how to get in the whistle register first

[fervent crow]

chest bass, uvula bass, and lipbass will be your best bets

i can slightly reach it

idk how to explain it lol

[random tundra]

i can do it with sub lip roll

its loud af

[fervent crow]

makes sense

[random tundra]

and hurts

lol

[fervent crow]

i bet with that and it being inward, way easier

oh yeah doesnt feel much better outward lol

[random tundra]

lol

somtimes i get a weird polyphonic trying to do it inward

like

a mix between high pitched voice and th whistl thing

[fervent crow]

sounds bout right

my whistle note i dont think is very high? idk, as they are registers they can really happen on any note

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

im not great at high note stuff

like my chest voice goes high and thats it

[random tundra]

it sounds really polyphonic

[random tundra]

neither me lol

this is the max that i can go with the sub lip roll

i actually really want to get good at it

[fervent crow]

at somepoint i started doing super high falsetto throat bass

[random tundra]

lol didint even know that falsetto throat bass is possible

i thought that the larynx is too high to the false folds vibrate

[fervent crow]

no doesnt matter much

its still just on the vocal chords

[random tundra]

but its so uncomfortable that when i do it i always give up

[random tundra]

good to know that

is adi kerang bass falsetto throat bass btw?

[fervent crow]

no

thats falsetto chest bass

high falsetto with a low chest bass

[random tundra]

yeah

its pretty different

i would say that the throat bass one sounds more eletronic to me

idk

[fervent crow]

yeah, i mean thats throat bass as a whole

[random tundra]

yeah

[random tundra]

this is actually so nice

ngl

can you teach me this sound? lol

[fervent crow]

tbh

its really just do throat bass

but swap the voice for falsetto\

[random tundra]

lmao

[fervent crow]

thats how i got it

i was just "can i do throat bass but in falsetto" and i got it

[random tundra]

yeah i think that doing that will not work for me lol

[random tundra]

high pitched chest bass was like this for me

even inward

[fervent crow]

litterally feels the same as triggering throat bass right out of the blue

[random tundra]

yeah i keep getting into chest bass when i try that

[random tundra]

or like

a really weird sound

that almost sounds like an overtone

[random tundra]

like

the same feeling of breaking the voice

when you first get throat bass

but with falsetto>

?

[fervent crow]

yeah

[random tundra]

hmmmmm

that will be hard

[fervent crow]

fun fact, i used to hate this bass

[random tundra]

i like it

[fervent crow]

its the same concept as doing marge voice

[random tundra]

lmso

lmao

i think it stills on chest bass

idk why but there is a huge overtone on this

holy

the overtone is actually so loud like wtf

[fervent crow]

something to try

take your falsetto

and just really tighten it

almost like screaming

if it helps really tighten it and just say "homie" trying to imitate marge

[random tundra]

how do i make my falsetto tighter

i dont think that i can even do that lool

[fervent crow]

its hard to explain

[random tundra]

wait i think i got the tight falsetto

[fervent crow]

nice

[random tundra]

nah forget it

im sounding like a mosquito

[fervent crow]

lol

most unvocalized ive gotten my throat bass during this

[random tundra]

kinda sounds like vahtang bass

[fervent crow]

difference is his is very vocalized and is loose throat bass-

[random tundra]

i think that if you put more breath on it u will start to false fold scream

[random tundra]

ah ok lol

I think that this is the max I can tight it

[fervent crow]

its a good start

now try adding false folds with a bit of air onto that

[narrow pike]

I just tried this and it legit sounds like toad

thanks for teaching me toad voice mr spaceg

[random tundra]

When I try to do that I get a weird poly sound

[narrow pike]

honestly sounds cooler imo

[fervent crow]

Ok, try doing a simulsr feeling to constricted singing singing

There, you are only really doing vocal folds

[meager wave]

I could use help as I can’t do lip-roll bass and I’ve been trying to learn it

[random tundra]

Yeah this sound is cool

But isn't what I want rn

[random tundra]

Hmm

Ok

Maybe I need to practice doing it tight before

When I learned throat bass I needed to do this

To actually get it

Maybe if I do the same thing, but with falsetto, it will work

[fervent crow]

can you do normal liproll?

like the airless one

[fervent crow]

basically yeah, its litterally just throat bass on falsetto

[random tundra]

Yeah I will do that

I remember I practiced only jayton voice and tightening my voice for months before getting to throat bass

I will basically do the same thing but with falsetto

So it activates the false folds before getting into throat bass

While in the falsetto register

Maybe it's a good idea

[frank crane]

Yo I got a weird sound idk what it is I just came here to see what it can be

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Sounds like you are judt breathing in through the side of your mouth while doing sucker punch

Not really a name for it just a technique

[meager wave]

No I can’t liproll at all

[fervent crow]

Ok

Learn basic airless liproll

Napoms tutorial short is perfect for that

It helps train your lips to loosen

And tongue placement

You learn that then move on to liproll bass

[sleek igloo]

Anyone have a tutorial for smile bass? I don't understand the positioning super well and if its both lips making the sound

[fervent crow]

I can make one tomarrow for you

Its nearly 12am for me so cant now- but ill ping ya when i make it

[frank crane]

Could it be similar to like the sound that syak does

https://youtu.be/eYtEW1Y9TWg?si=oig2jD5-6rMXbnMI

0:55

[meager wave]

So uhh

I kinda did a liproll? But it was using my entire mouth instead of one side

Is this it?

[narrow pike]

thats just lip bass

liproll is inward and on the side

[fervent crow]

Yeah

You will be pulling pressure in like you would a straw