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23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. βGet out of here, baldy!β they said. βGet out of here, baldy!β 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys
This was not that deepπ
So some kids called guy baldy and god made bears kill 42 kids tf?
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Okay firstly I know you're not opening the bible and casually reading 2nd Kings. Someone told you about this verse and you reacted to it
I would stop for a moment, take a breather and try to read context around the event so you can better understand what happened
Without context you can make anything sound really stupid
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Let's look at it with context in the ESV
Here is the section that occurs earlier in the same chapter
This is why reading the entire chapter is critically important. DO NOT READ THE BIBLE OUT OF CONTEXT
Incase you missed it, what happens is Elijah is taken up into Heaven
Now, you might be wondering why we're using ESV here instead of your translation
The ESV is a direct word-for-word translation, rather than a meaning for meaning translation
So that helps us get the exact words used
Notice that? "Go up"
Of course it's translated in some versions as "Leave" because who says "Go up" and what does that even mean?
There are plenty of occasions in the bible where "Go up" does mean "Leave," but given the context, it's clear what they're saying
Notice also this event took place in Bethel
And the book is we're reading is 2nd Kings...
So let's look at what 1st Kings has to say about the same location
"This was not that deepπ" you say, but look at the context
It's a town and culture of idolatry and pagan worship, a community of people who hate and are actively opposed to God. Recently, God's prophet was taken up into Heaven, when the next prophet arrives in the town, they tell the new prophet to "Go up," as his predecessor did.
Here's what Got Questions said about it
Some other things that I think are interesting
It says the bears tore 42 of the boys, meaning the crowd was probably much larger
So it's a large crowd telling a prophet to "Go to heaven" and then a bunch of bears come out and kill them which is pretty cool
If you thought these people were like innocent kids that could have learned to accept God later in life then you completely misunderstand the Bible
Also for the sake of the argument I want to point out that "small boys" does not necessarily mean children in the way that we might understand that today
It could be boys or young men that are literally short
Now, I think it doesn't really matter and is irrelevant but scholars point that out so I thought it was worth addressing
Ultimately, trust God no matter what happens, God uses everything for his purposes
God says that he will pay back every wrong thing done to you on Earth, so if anything unjust happens to you here, God will right the scales in the afterlife
But if you are imperfect, then you deserve eternal hellfire so π€·ββοΈ
Sin is worse than most people realize
Anyway I am done yapping I hope this is helpful
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So it's a large crowd telling a prophet to "Go to heaven" and then a bunch of be...
not cool more like
sinners said rude thing to guy he asked god and he killed 42 kids
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not cool more like
sinners said rude thing to guy he asked god and he killed 42...
Yes, sin is deadly serious to a perfect God
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Yes, sin is deadly serious to a perfect God
eh
waht kind of god kill people for diffrent opinipon
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waht kind of god kill people for diffrent opinipon
The God of the Bible
Sin isn't permissible
upbeat siren
angry touchy god
nazis make fun of a black guy prophet
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nazis make fun of a black guy prophet
Not same thing
upbeat siren
does that pretend framework make it make more sense on why it was a necessary outcome
literally the same thing
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Make fun but not kill him ir assult
He cooud jsut. Dont answer back
Liek normal human
upbeat siren
theyre literally harassing him
these are young men
who knows what else they would have started doing after the fact
they come from a culture practicing child sacrifice
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They sisnt touch him jsut being rude soesnt deserve death
He cloud just go away from them
You trying to defending a mass murderer that gos created
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they mass murder first
Still not reqson to kill 42 young man dude yes they was bad peopel but they gonna be Punished so ehy gos killed 42 young man
Bc hes angry and small ego
upbeat siren
do you understand anything about the future resurrection and how this is a temporary punishment
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Do you understand basics of humanity
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yeah the one built on top of a christian paradigm across our culture
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So why god didnt jsut eqrase em or kill them why would he sand 2 bears
upbeat siren
he mauled them with the bears, so some died some lived perhaps
why are we getting into technicalities now on how the being that created space time and matter should have done his job
the men will be resurrected for final judgement anyway, maybe theyll accept jesus by then. this is imagery on how severe it is to reject a prophet
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Than god in Christianity is disgusting he kills a lot of people he says to his fllowers to mock peopel with other erelligin, mass murder earsing town's if theres other religion Prophet
Why csnt he live in peace
Ehat is his problem
upbeat siren
because he created us and can have authority to do whatever with our lives
but we all choose rebellion against him
so we're all evil
jesus is the only good guy
god himself suffered and died as jesus for our sake
so dont think you can judge the judge when hes the one that made every skin cell of your body be an actualized reality
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because he created us and can have authority to do whatever with our lives
Well thats not very nice to do that
Hes evil
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god himself suffered and died as jesus for our sake
He cloud not do that
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youre evil and im evil
upbeat siren
He cloud not do that
he literally did
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he literally did that for your sake and youre reacting like a child
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he literally did that for your sake and youre reacting like a child
He cloud not do that
Erveying is silly
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he literally lived as a human and took on the punishment we deserve
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Explain why he choosed to die and suffer
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he literally lived as a human and took on the punishment we deserve
We deserve it for what
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have you ever lied or stolen or cursed god or wanted someone elses stuff
or even was angry with someone
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have you ever lied or stolen or cursed god or wanted someone elses stuff
Yees i did sin
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thats what he died for to forgive them
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And that not nice like half of sins idunno
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thats what he died for to forgive them
And why did he need to diew for thatt if hes god and can forigve em automatically
Or stuff
Yk he "created" evrtinng
upbeat siren
because hes perfectly just
hes not gonna let some peoples sins go unnoticed
and throw them under the carpet
he has to bring perfect justice as a judge
upbeat siren
its dependent on how much theyve accumulated becauase i dont think the bible says anything about hell being eternal
its the 2nd death
no one can overcome death
only jesus did for being perfect but people wanted him dead
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he called out injustices
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He said to some dudes they are idiot or stuff
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if he's not perfect then we'll die in our sins and won't live forever
everything becomes meaningless
upbeat siren
He said to some dudes they are idiot or stuff
probably because they were doing evil things
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probably because they were doing evil things
Yeah still not nice to call sdome oen idiot huh
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oh but dont focus on them
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he probably did lol
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he called leaders abusing widows idiots
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Matthev 23:17
You foolish and blind
Matthew 5:22
Whoever says " you fool " will be in dange rof the hell fire
So he says clslign some oen fool is bad bit still doing it
And it doesnt mette ris that peopel who he claled foop evil
Metter the rule
Rule he breaked
upbeat siren
you understand what the deeper meaning is right
its not an arbitrary rule
what is jesus condemning first
whats the theme
if you have hatred against someone
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what is jesus condemning first
Distortion of religion
upbeat siren
well yeah
but in that context he's condmening people who are simply angry with someone
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if you have hatred against someone
Im trying to not do that as mcuh ic an when i wanna do that i think about it this ncie and dotn do it
upbeat siren
in a deeper way its about putting the person youre angry with down
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but in that context he's condmening people who are simply angry with someone
Yeah still being rud eto rude pereosn is not nice
Best replie to fool is silent
upbeat siren
or calling them out so they hopefully change their ways
jesus was doing that
the idea of that last part of the 7 woes of the pharisees is to imagine him with tears behind his voice
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jesus was doing that
He cloud say instewd of
You fools and blind for wich is greate the gold or the teamole that sancief the gold
He cloud say
Look what are you soing and think about it for wich is greate the gold or the teamole that sancief the gold or other stuf finstead of you fool
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and then they dont change their minds
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and then they dont change their minds
Sont think their chnsge mins ifi he be rude
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theyre not gonna think anything of him if hes soft against their corruption either
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they understood his authority with the miracles too and still didnt listen
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Dude after word you fools the comficlt get even bigger
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upbeat siren
always 2nd guess your thoughts or else you won't be self aware
hoary swift
Jesus wasnt pefect
Are you insane
hoary swift
are you sure you're a Christian
if Jesus wasn't perfect than His sacrafice was not enough for you
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I find it so arrogant for a sinner who has fallen short of God's glory to tell God what right and wrong are.
hoary swift
you are getting into some extremely dangerous theological territory when you say Jesus is not perfect, or that Him condeming CLEARLY false and HATEFUL religions is "bad"
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Repent and turn to Christ.
hoary swift
it's insane to say that your morality is better or above Christ's
go rely on your own works and see how far it'll get you
trust in Christ alone
cause honestly being silent when you know something is bad IS LYING
if you don't correct sin and false hateful things like a religion that says that you can marry children then you are lying because you are indirectly saying its ok
if you don't act on actual injustice you are sinning
to condemn Christians for speaking out against sin is just crazy to me
i am being more harsh now because you have been to all the Christians here and all actual Christians
i still love you man and want you to come to Christ but you have to acknowledge that morality is objective and that God IS PERFECT
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The standard for Heaven is absolute moral perfection. If you have not been 100% perfect in all that you do, you will not make it to Heaven.
If you believe that Jesus was not 100% perfect, then being judged in His place would do absolutely nothing for you.
hoary swift
exactly
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are you sure you're a Christian
Iik not
Im not
Xhrisitny is not for me
Its all about hate and murder and stu
Like killing poepel. And stuff
Eh
hoary swift
since when was it about hate and murder
are you just referencing to justified killing
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since when was it about hate and murder
Like always
hoary swift
because the world is full of much more hate than christianity is
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Did you read the Bible besides a random verse that someone showed you
hoary swift
they killed a third of Gen Z before they could even be born bro
i think the world likes murder more than Christians do
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But ehy crhsistian even do murder?
hoary swift
Sam tried to explain to you why that took place
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If some one is worse than othe person doesn tmake first epeosn innocney
hoary swift
it doesn't seem that you were willing to listen
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Its just deffensg murder
The 42 young boys didnt touched the guy and they was killed by beats
Not vry nice
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How does a bear murder? It's a bear
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Idc how evil they are
hoary swift
you know what isnt nice?? sinners sinning against a perfect God πββοΈ
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Yes cuz they csnt understand stuff
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So stop calling it murder
God mad ethoose bears go and kill 42 people
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you know what isnt nice?? sinners sinning against a perfect God πββοΈ
Yk ehat isnt nice else? Killing 42 young people
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Do you know how many people die every day
hoary swift
you know what else isnt nice? killing countless christians. You know who did that? THE GUY WHO WROTE LIKE A THIRDDD OF THE BIBLEEE
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Do you know how many people die every day
Does it even metter? Yew sits sad people sie but rhis is not making the storuy of god make 2 vwars kill 42 young man vetter
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Does it even metter? Yew sits sad people sie but rhis is not making the storuy o...
People die, we live in a fallen world
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so you're saying if a religion has any 1 person dying it is bad and not worth following or
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you know what else isnt nice? killing countless christians. You know who did tha...
None of yall worlds maakes gos murder people and told othe rpoepel to murde rpeliple beyyer
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Death is the wages of sin
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so you're saying if a religion has any 1 person dying it is bad and not worth fo...
???
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The bible says that you are owed death if you sin
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Im saying all deaths are bad and if god kills its make him not nice
hoary swift
God doesn't make people kill other people, we have free will and we choose sin every time
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Do you believe that nazis should live forever because death is bad?
hoary swift
animals can't sin though as they are not image bearers and they are just not sentient really i dont think
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God doesn't make people kill other people, we have free will and we choose sin e...
Yk bible verse about mass murder and erasing town with different belaive
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Do you believe that nazis should live forever because death is bad?
???
No one is living forever
hoary swift
its not about "different beliefs"
its about people who were literally sleeping with their children and sisters
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No one is living forever
You said all death is bad
hoary swift
its about people who were sacraficing babies
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You said all death is bad
Yup
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Do you think it would be morally good if nazis lived forever?
Or do you think they should die
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Cant see conection betwen all death is bad and nazis live forever
Im not wanting wnyone liv eforever
It isnt possbile
We die
Evrybody should die one day
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So you cant say that all death is bad if people should die
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its not about "different beliefs"
There was about diffrent bealivs
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Sometimes death is a just consequence of someone's actions
Sometimes bad people should die if it's done by governing authorities in a just way
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Deuteronomy 13:12β16
Isnt this is insteucitonf for mass murdering
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Sometimes bad people should die if it's done by governing authorities in a just ...
Jails exist
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So it's always absolutely wrong to take a life in every scenario?
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So it's always absolutely wrong to take a life in every scenario?
Nobody have lermission to tgake others life
Permission
Also
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
New International Version
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, βLet us go and worship other godsβ (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt
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Deuteronomy 13:12-16
New International Version
12 If you hear it said about one ...
Its telling if you heard there is other phephew in other toen and its true go kill evrybkdy in this town
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Nobody have lermission to tgake others life
If an armed gunman is threatening to kill my wife and pointing a gun at her head, is it wrong for me to shoot him to protect my family?
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How tahts even works
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If a school shooter is actively killing kids, is it wrong to kill him to stop more kids from dying?
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I should just let kids get gunned down?
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Im nto ssying
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I should just let kids get gunned down?
No
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Do I take the shot or let more people die?
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Theres way to make him sit in jail
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He can die from that
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Cnst handle stuff
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He can die from that
Nope
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Dude do you know how a gun works
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You can die from shoot to youe leg but its rarely
You can us watsrer paperspray shoot his leg
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Dude there are major arteries in your leg you can kill people with a leg shot
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Dude there are major arteries in your leg you can kill people with a leg shot
Oh my god bruh
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You can us watsrer paperspray shoot his leg
Let me use pepper spray on an armed gunman that will certainly work
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Not evrying csn kill hiamn
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Not evrying csn kill hiamn
In a combat scenario, absolutely yes a lot of action will result in someone's death
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Armed gunman and then its teenager in so shty Body armor and helmet
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In a combat scenario, absolutely yes a lot of action will result in someone's de...
Well altwadt you didnt plan him to die
Dude
You saying desth is better than rotting in the prison
Of there like way to make some oensit in rpsion better make him sit in peison
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That's not what I'm saying
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Yous sting that kinda
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I'm saying death is sometimes justified
If it is an armed gunman or my wife, I will choose my wife
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Wait how did we get to that stusiton with your wife
How possible this is?
In our world?
Like you jsut wlak without gun and some other armed man get your wife as hostile
?
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We're in a high crime state things like that happen often
People break into houses
It feels like there's a mass shooting in the US every other week
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Ir srsrly but still yes you can kill him but still killign snyone isnt nice
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It's not nice
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Ywah
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It's good to protect my family
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It's good to protect my family
Its good but bad to kill peopel too
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No
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Karma doesn't exist
IT exist
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Killing bad people isn't bad
Killing bad peopek is killing
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It's not wrong to kill nazis
Still killing
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If karma exists, does that mean that billionaires are the nicest people?
Nope
Money dowsnt metter
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So karma doesn't exist
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Metter how nice are you to other does you harm other
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You just proved it wrong
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So karma doesn't exist
Exist
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It was good for the US to kill nazis in WW2
Vry kill isnt very good
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Then billionaires are the nicest
Nope
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It is very good
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There is no type of people that ncier thsn othe rtype of people
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Billioners and poor people can have postive karma and bad karma
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What is it then
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What is it then
Karma is like echo of your actions
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Okay so billionaires are really nice so their niceness echos as a billion dollars
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Okay so billionaires are really nice so their niceness echos as a billion dollar...
??????????
How are money related to karma you jsut typing stuff
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How is it not?
soft inlet
Karma is based on actions
Like your actions
Doe sit harm some one
Doe sit harm you
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Do you get rewarded based on your actions?
Right now not but later yes
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Okay so billionaires got a billion dollars by doing good
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What is it about?
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Its about will you go to naraka ( something like hell) ordevaloka ( heaven) the names might be wrong and also it affec tyour reincornationlike if you was rly rly bad human you go to naraka suffer until your karma is neutral and then you reincrante and beocme like worm for wzmaple and if you karma very posstive you can go to heaven like chill some time and then if your jarma was rly good youc sn choose eho you wanna be snd stuff also about the money
If human in past life was kike Generous he got cash bqck or sum and get rich or greate a othe rlife
And if you werre grind and bad you gon be poor
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So if someone has a billion dollars that's actually because he's really generous?
And if someone is poor that's because he's a really bad person?
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So if someone has a billion dollars that's actually because he's really generous...
Not becese he is relly fenerous beacse he was in past life
And get get rewarded
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And if someone is poor that's because he's a really bad person?
Yes
In apst life
Rewards
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Okay so you're saying poor people are responsible for being poor and rich people are actually really great
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Okay so you're saying poor people are responsible for being poor and rich people...
They are not really grste they was gretae in apst life
Past lifes
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But it is still them, right?
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Nah
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It's not them?
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So you're being punished based on someone else's actions?
Doesn't that seem very unjust?
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You just said it wasn't them
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And in this kfie you cns wctuslly chsngedtuff
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You just said it wasn't them
It is you but you dont have same Character and stuff man
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Then how is it me???
soft inlet
It still you like
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Then how is it me???
Like iamgine
You like fired a candle
The candle is burned out a little
Then you get other cnsdle
And fir eit eith ols fire while odl one is nowe
Like
Doesnt fire
Tahst the thing
Karma is only thing that commect all thoose lives
So its yoru karma
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So you're arguing that if you put out a fire then light a new fire, that the old fire and new fire are the same fire
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Nono like
The dir eis karma
Cnadle is close to burn out
You take other cnsdle and fir eit with old fire frol old cnadle
Fire is your karma
And the candle is life
Sll life snoting connectroe thsn karma
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Nope
?
You take diffrent candle man
Evrytime is diffrent cnadle
Diffrne r shspe or size
But fir eis the same
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Oh I see
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Also candle sare jsut a Example
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Okay
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So what you're saying is
If I am poor
I am being punished for someone else's evil
If I am violently stabbed to death it is my punishment for a past life and I deserve it?
last tinsel
buddisum is just works based salvation
soft inlet
This is a leason
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But in your example it's fire moving between multiple candles
That would be someone else's sin rubbing off on me
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buddisum is just works based salvation
And Intentions
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That would be someone else's sin rubbing off on me
Not some.one else this is your psaste state that you was controllig one time
Its related
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Am I the flame in your example or am I the candle?
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Am I the flame in your example or am I the candle?
No
The flame is karma
Cnadle is life
Youre kinda the flame
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I'm karma?
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In some sanse yea your are your karma kinda
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So that would mean that billionaires are nice people then right?
last tinsel
I'm karma?
spiritual points of good and bad
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So that would mean that billionaires are nice people then right?
They was nice in apst lifes
That rwlates to their lif eright not only eoth karma
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Okay billionaires are really nice and good people
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Vas in apst life
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If you're poor, you deserve it
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Wild take
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Not a pus hiemnt
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If I am violently stabbed to death, do I also deserve that too as a lesson?
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Not that wild how massmurder
Are you saying that poor people are mass murderers?
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Yes this is result of your past life chooses and karma
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Are you saying that poor people are mass murderers?
Yes and not even people
Like
Woems
Pigs
Coes
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That is so hateful π
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Birds
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That is so hateful π
This is a leasson
Fro you have goos karma
And be nice
To other people and yourself
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How is it a lesson if I don't remember it
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No jo if youre really poor and you lear conept of karma you get that you was doing stuff wrong inpast life
So in this life
Youtung get better karma
Wo in enxt life you eill get betteh and stuff
You dont rmeebe ryour wcrions
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How is that a lesson though
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Inwman some tiems youc ns if youre Monk and stuff
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How is that a lesson though
You see youre poor thst wmans in past life you was bad so you be better
Tahts the leasson
Learn that being bad makes you suffer snd stuff
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So your moral compass is entirely selfish?
soft inlet
Yes and no at same time look it also works like this
If you see old man tring cross the read
And you help him onyl bc its gonna giv eyou good karma
It doennd tgiv eyou
Beacse
Intention
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No no listen
If your intention is Self-interest you dont get reward
It mire about heloing others and doing good
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Bwasw the Self-interest is bad
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Who is judging that?
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Why wouldn't you do more good if you get an even greater reward out of it?
Beacse Selfishness is a rather weak trait. It eame thing to wash your hands with diry water
You tirig. Make somethig. Gooodbut doenst even give the rwsult st all
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Why is it weak?
Wouldn't you want to do a better job if you knew something was holding you accountable to it?
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Bc the goos karma gives ehen you doing soemthign goo not beacsw of thats makes your lif ebetter but because of youc snt do other way liek without thinkh sbout rewrd
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Why does the system work that way?
Cuz its not a system it a law lioe etehrea law.of enegry saving everything is is energy, your throught or your action is like Energy release and engry csnt disespaear its richoster out of walls and bumps bwck into you
Also
Karma works on your State of mind
Like
If you help some oen and think
Alright htas ssend be to heaven and then to better life, this is Greed and the release of energy is smoll so you get smoller reward
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So isn't believing in karma morally worse than not believing?
Someone who believes in karma will do good knowing there is a reward
Someone who does not believe does good without any possible consideration of a reward
Are those people better?
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Someone who believes in karma will do good knowing there is a reward
Someone wh...
Nope?
Not hoe it works
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Why not
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If some oen eho doens tbelsiv e at karma do good things beacse hes good not bease is greed get reward same ams some one do eacly thing if he bealivee
It doens tmette rif you ebalive or not
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Why
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It doesn't require bealive
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Will you be rewarded for doing good things?
last tinsel
to me its just the concept of dieing and going to nothing but with the added mask of spiritual mysticism rituals and nonsensical things
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Will you be rewarded for doing good things?
If you do this with your pure hearg you get reedemed bigger
If you ebalivneor not
soft inlet
Will you be rewarded for doing good things?
Ypu eill if you doing it form your pure teharth if tou do good stuf ffor good karma only it eill nit be negative but not very big
wintry bridge
A yes or no is fine please
soft inlet
This type of wuating cant be answer d jsit simpel ye sor no brochacho
Ther eis osmethig like Condition or stuff
wintry bridge
Do you not believe in your own religion?
wintry bridge
You do good yes? Will you be rewarded?
soft inlet
I do
wintry bridge
So will you be rewarded for the good you do?
soft inlet
You do good yes? Will you be rewarded?
I think i will get good karma for soing food dtuff i do all good stuf fi dont itsnt not for karma
So yes inthink im getting good karma
wintry bridge
Okay, great
You think you'll be rewarded
Now, me I don't believe I will be
Because I don't believe in hocus pocus without any evidence
So does that mean that the good that I do carries with it a greater reward?
Because I expect none?
soft inlet
Nope you will get rewared too
And if you doing good stuf not bc of gteed youw ill egt good jarma too
Also
wintry bridge
Will my reward be greater because I don't expect any reward?
soft inlet
Will my reward be greater because I don't expect any reward?
Your reward is greater than if you do it rhink of grid or onyl sbout good karma
Bwacse yk i do goos stuff not bc of karma
Si i egt rewared to that mwnas
wintry bridge
So I get a greater reward for doing good because I don't believe in your religion?
soft inlet
So I get a greater reward for doing good because I don't believe in your religio...
Nope
Bwalvie in relgiondoesnt metter
Metter if you do good
And do it lke not bc of greed
Tahst it
wintry bridge
I thought it matters if you do good without knowing you'll get rewarded
soft inlet
Poeple who bealiv ein buddha doesnt get rewared bigger or lower
All if this base dona ctuons
soft inlet
I thought it matters if you do good without knowing you'll get rewarded
No no
Int not ehotit kneiign you will eg t reared irs mor wbaout you do it only iffor reward
You can know that you will get rewareded thans soesn tchange stuff
wintry bridge
What if I did it half for the reward
soft inlet
Half of reward
wintry bridge
Okay
soft inlet
Like half for karma half bc yorue kind?
soft inlet
Like half for karma half bc yorue kind?
Rhis is qcutlly how 90% people.libes
You dont have to be prefect
wintry bridge
What is good
wintry bridge
Yes
wintry bridge
What do I need to do in order to have a better next life
I learned my lesson
I wanna do better
What do I do
soft inlet
If youw anna know what give sgood karma and negative read path of dhamma it collection of like of thigns like
Fiestly ite nuddha story
Also theres like laws if youc ns anme it lieo that ehat give you good karma and what give syou bad
wintry bridge
I can't read
soft inlet
But most basics its like the wction doenst metter as Intention
wintry bridge
Okay so in order to do good I have to either learn how to read or listen to an audiobook
I can't do good otherwise?
soft inlet
Okay so in order to do good I have to either learn how to read or listen to an a...
Noep
wintry bridge
So how do I do good
soft inlet
You cns do sctios. To get good carma and avoid getring negative by yk like dont hsrm toehrs helo others dont hsrm your self
soft inlet
Fym you dont kneo ehat id good
wintry bridge
I don't know
wintry bridge
I read the Bible and I see a bear mauling 42 people and I say "this is good" but you say it's not
So I'm confused
What is good
How do I do good if I don't know what it is
soft inlet
Good is wctusllyt diffrent for everybody
Good is
Like
Soemthign possitve probably
Liek goos karma is postive
soft inlet
Am I wrong?
Yes murdering sint osostive
You rske someones life
But toure worng not like
Liek glosbly
wintry bridge
Why is that wrong
soft inlet
Youre wrong in my opnion
soft inlet
Nondoy is right snd wvrubdy is right at same thine
Youre right for you
Im right for me
Vut
soft inlet
Eould you like being murdered by god by beard?
soft inlet
So it's good karma
Nope
wintry bridge
Yeah if I was engaging in heresy I am better dead than alive
soft inlet
Hoe it csn be good karma if its not wction youc sndo to toehrs
last tinsel
if all the budist texts and stuff was all forgoten then good and knolidge of good comes from some where else
wintry bridge
It is something I'd want done to me
GOD IF I AM SPREADING FALSE DOCTRINE PLEASE KILL ME FOR I AM NOT WORTHY TO LIVE ON YOUR EARTH IF I AM NOT WORSHIPPING YOU
π
last tinsel
its just because i do good i demand a reward is what budisum is
soft inlet
If you do good onyl for reward you egt lower reward
soft inlet
I think it's morally good to expect a reward so its good for me
Therw sthignsad good for you and thign sas teztes with the teaches
wintry bridge
Okay so I am actually perfect because I interpret everything I do as perfect
soft inlet
Alright what are you trying not to sin in chrisanity for?
Ehat are you belaivng in chrisft for?
For a reqrd
Rewrd
wintry bridge
Dude you do not understand Christianity at all
soft inlet
Would you love jesus if he doesnt get your sins on his self?
wintry bridge
Jesus puts your sins on himself if you love him or not
wintry bridge
God's love isn't conditional
soft inlet
Is ont get cheistmly as same you dont get buddhism
wintry bridge
We love God because He loved us first
soft inlet
We love God because He loved us first
Ans what if he neve eloves you
Woudl yous till lov whim
wintry bridge
Ans what if he neve eloves you
He doesn't
soft inlet
IF
wintry bridge
I don't worship an unloving God
last tinsel
also in budisum they dont belive in an eternal soul
hoary swift
"guys if Christianity was not Christianity would you still be a Christian... just if!!!"
wintry bridge
Because God is the way the truth and the life
hoary swift
guys if you never existed would you exist rn
just what if just what if
im just asking questions!!
soft inlet
I wouldn't worship an unloving God
So you eoudlnt worship an bog that doens tgiv rkyu reware
last tinsel
the buddist afterlife and its just an eternity of being high on vibes and feeling good while producing vibes for others to consume basically a loop of vibe gluttony and your not even your self you are just a shell without personality giving help guiding people to the same fate and that your personality is an illusion its just spirituality without the spiritual all it is is spiritual suicide that calls the personality and self and illusion and because it calls the personality and self an illusion nirvana is a creation from the mind and personality of the man named budda thus if personality and self is an ilusion then budisum is an illusion
wintry bridge
So you eoudlnt worship an bog that doens tgiv rkyu reware
I only worship the God described in the Bible
Thank you
soft inlet
the buddist afterlife and its just an eternity of being high on vibes and feelin...
Yeah
hoary swift
but what if God wasnt God :)
wintry bridge
Then He wouldn't be worthy of my worship
I only worship God because He's the only one who is worthy of it!!!
hoary swift
God time
last tinsel
what ifs deny the current reality
hoary swift
your name is the highest your name is the greatest your name stands above it all
soft inlet
Would yall love jesus if he lovee yall but never take sins in him swl
hoary swift
all thrones and dominions all powers and positions
hoary swift
Would yall love jesus if he lovee yall but never take sins in him swl
would you love Jesus if he wasnt Jesus guys
soft inlet
would you love Jesus if he wasnt Jesus guys
No
hoary swift
guys would you love your partner even if they were an entirely different person
last tinsel
Would yall love jesus if he lovee yall but never take sins in him swl
he took our sins away because he loved us and if he did not love us the world would have remained flooded
wintry bridge
Would yall love jesus if he lovee yall but never take sins in him swl
God is only worthy because He is God! If God did anything differently He wouldn't be God
soft inlet
God is only worthy because He is God! If God did anything differently He wouldn'...
Sot hat emans you wold love gos if there was no reward dor your love
?
hoary swift
brother
there is no reward in Christianity
if a Christian told you that they are lying
soft inlet
Heaven
wintry bridge
Sot hat emans you wold love gos if there was no reward dor your love
There IS no reward
soft inlet
Leoknis reard
wintry bridge
Heaven isn't a reward
hoary swift
heaven is not a reward for something we do
wintry bridge
You can't earn heaven
hoary swift
we did nothing to get it
soft inlet
You belwiv ein jesus you got o heaven
wintry bridge
No matter how hard you try you can never recieve it
hoary swift
if anything we did things to not get it
soft inlet
Youd otn yo butn. In hell
wintry bridge
Jesus said plenty of people who call him lord will be told to depart from him in the afterlife
Believing in Jesus doesn't do anything for you
You are saved because Christ, not your own belief
soft inlet
But if i want bwalov ein him i wouldn't be saved
Tahts it
You bwlaive you saved else you butn in hell
soft inlet
Yes but still
hoary swift
you do not understand what you are arguing about
soft inlet
Dmeons bwalvie but not glory and stuff
hoary swift
take a second and maybe ask, "what is Christianity?"
soft inlet
take a second and maybe ask, "what is Christianity?"
Is religion
wintry bridge
Dmeons bwalvie but not glory and stuff
You can give all the glory to God and still go to hell.
soft inlet
its not a religion
It is
soft inlet
You can give all the glory to God and still go to hell.
And how?
hoary swift
all other rleigions are "do this to get this" christianity is "its been done already"
hoary swift
so no it is entirely different
wintry bridge
You can do so many good things but it will never be enough
soft inlet
Because what you do doesn't matter
So how cns i be saved?
Taht wmna sic snt be saved
?
Huh
What have huamn do to be saved
hoary swift
NOTHING
hoary swift
NOTHING YOU EVER DO WILL GET YOU HEAVEN
soft inlet
Thats silly lgic
hoary swift
it is not belief
wintry bridge
So how cns i be saved?
Stop relying on your own actions, recognize that what you do will never be enough, and understand that Jesus already paid the price for you
hoary swift
for the millionth time bro
soft inlet
NOTHING YOU EVER DO WILL GET YOU HEAVEN
So no one goes to ehaven
hoary swift
listen
last tinsel
You are saved because Christ, not your own belief
i dont know what to say about this because the bible says belive and you shall be saved unless it means faith and trust
hoary swift
he already said it
belief is not what saves you
because even belief is a work
you have to actively do that
wintry bridge
I wouldn't say that
hoary swift
i have to actively put effort into belief
wintry bridge
I guess
soft inlet
So my sisnn ar epaye sby jesus but i go to hell because off ?
hoary swift
you dont even have to believe that Jesus was a man yet you can still go to heaven
wintry bridge
i dont know what to say about this because the bible says belive and you shall b...
What are you believing would be my first question?
Believing that Jesus is God won't save you. Plenty of people who aren't saved recognize Jesus as God
last tinsel
What are you believing would be my first question?
to trust in jesus christ and belive he rose from the dead
wintry bridge
to trust in jesus christ and belive he rose from the dead
The catholics do too
soft inlet
Believing that Jesus is God won't save you. Plenty of people who aren't saved re...
Buddy answwrr what is getting me to hell
wintry bridge
Buddy answwrr what is getting me to hell
Your sin
soft inlet
But evrybody sin
wintry bridge
Yes
wintry bridge
So either you pay for your own sin or Jesus pays for your sin
last tinsel
The catholics do too
so then how does one even get saved
soft inlet
So either you pay for your own sin or Jesus pays for your sin
And what i need to do jesus lay for them?
Bewlive in jesus?
Nothing?
If i go to hevsne beacse of my sins but jesus payed for my sins so im getting heaven? And if bealief soent metter evrybody goes to heaven?
wintry bridge
so then how does one even get saved
Repentance (changing your mind about sin to hate the sin that you do.) This will lead you to avoid sin, but the avoidance of sin isn't what saves you. It's the changing of your mind.
Faith (Trust in Christ alone for the forgiveness of your sin.) If your trust is in your own doing, even partially, then you have not yet understood that NOTHING you do is good and the only goodness in you is entirely because of Christ
Belief in this does save you, because if you believe these facts and what they mean, then that means you met the understanding that was humbling enough to have you accept Christ's gift
But if you believe facts about Jesus, such as him being God or even raising from the dead, that isn't enough
last tinsel
Repentance (changing your mind about sin to hate the sin that you do.) This will...
yeah i think the reason why ive been feeling like ive been missing something is because i get these thoughts that im ment to do something like im missing some part of the law, i think its just i have not been putting enough faith in Jesus
soft inlet
Am i getting answers @wintry bridge
wintry bridge
yeah i think the reason why ive been feeling like ive been missing something is ...
That's something a lot of us struggle. Our pride makes us want to play a part in salvation, when we should instead rejoice because Christ already did all of the work required to save us
That's why Jesus' dying words are "It is finished"
It's done, there is nothing left for you
That what what Jesus raising from the dead means
The payment is complete
soft inlet
That's something a lot of us struggle. Our pride makes us want to play a part in...
answer whst exacly takes me to heaven instead of hell
wintry bridge
If there was more to do, then he would still be in the ground
But he is risen!
Because everything is completed already!!!
wintry bridge
answer whst exacly takes me to heaven instead of hell
Jesus paying for your sins instead of you
soft inlet
Jesus paying for your sins instead of you
Yes
So
Evrybody goes to heaven?
If jesus pay for sins
Looks like yeah
wintry bridge
Evrybody goes to heaven?
No, only those who are humble enough to recognize that they aren't good enough to get to Heaven on their own, and place their trust in God to pay for their sins on their behalf
soft inlet
Aha
wintry bridge
If you think you are good enough for Heaven, you won't feel like you need Jesus and you won't accept the gift
soft inlet
So when you trusting god you get reward
wintry bridge
No
soft inlet
Yes
Tsuting god tske syout o whaven
Heaven is reard for you
Atlwast it looks like
wintry bridge
Trusting God doesn't make is earn Heaven
God accounts faith to us as righteousness as part of a covenant he made with us
Imagine this, for a second
Imagine you cheat on your wife
soft inlet
Yeah next
wintry bridge
Imagine you cheat on your wife
And your wife says "I forgive you, I wont leave you. Stay with me, and ill take care of you"
soft inlet
Shi
wintry bridge
That is not being rewarded for trusting that the offer is legitimate
That is the wife taking on the punishment herself, looking past the evil you've done and choosing forgiveness
She's paying the price, not you
That isn't a reward that you've earned, that's love and that's grace
soft inlet
Typing stuff
obtuse yacht
I think we should not JUDGE THE GOD, I think that anything what God done is good
I also dontt think that heaven is a reward, it is a natural part of our existence, like, just the mix of our will and Gods will, we must just flow
do what you must and come what may
I think, essentially heaven or hell is our choice, not a reward, something like that, and God gives us will and life to make this choice
soft inlet
I think we should not JUDGE THE GOD, I think that anything what God done is good
nah
kill people not good
wintry bridge
kill people not good
What does the bible say?
cobalt marten
kill people not good
I understand why you think this
Does that mean killing animals is not good too right?
Will you also explain why it is not good to kill? (If you can)
Because in my mind itβs not good or bad
Thank you π€
soft inlet
Does that mean killing animals is not good too right?
I mena yes its still not good
soft inlet
Will you also explain why it is not good to kill? (If you can)
Like imagine you live and some one end your life
cobalt marten
Like imagine you live and some one end your life
i see your point, but if i killed someone i think i would have to be killed
a price would have to be payed
soft inlet
i see your point, but if i killed someone i think i would have to be killed
what if you self defense?
you still have to die or
cobalt marten
what if you self defense?
if i killed someone because i hated them i believe i would need to be put to death
cobalt marten
I mena yes its still not good
what if i need to live is it then ok?
cobalt marten
what if you self defense?
if self defence then no die i think
cunning lily
isnt it crazy how paul killed christians
hoary swift
Yes
cobalt marten
isnt it crazy how paul killed christians
Yes
soft inlet
isnt it crazy how paul killed christians
Isnt this crazi hoe Christian killed bunch of other people with different bealive
hoary swift
ππ
Brotherrr
Isnt it crazy how tens of thousands of christians in african countries are dying
Just for being christian
Because muslims would rather kill them than even try to convert them or disagree soundly
Isnt it crazy how its literally illegal to own a bible in 60 countries and most of them if not all are muslim countries
Isnt it crazy how you can literally expect to die in most muslim countries not even for being christian. But for not being muslim?
Isnt it crazy how in afghanistan the women arent allowed to even speak, leave their homes, drive cars, leave the country, teach, go to school past 6th grade, work in almost every position, go to court
Isnt it crazy how much you stand up for and justify extremely radical and violent religions when we literally just preach the gospel and explain verses to you when you ask
Isnt it crazy how gracious we have been
With someone as accusatory as you???
At least 52,250 people have been killed over the last 14 years in Nigeria just for being Christian
"According to the Open Doors Watch List 2023, released on Jan. 17, Nigeria is one of the most dangerous places βto follow Jesus.β According to the report, Nigeria accounts for 89% of Christians martyred worldwide"
Even just moderate muslims are killed for not being extreme enough
Its insane dude
soft inlet
Isnt it crazy how tens of thousands of christians in african countries are dying
isnt making christiant killign poother any better
"Isnt it crazy how much you stand up for and justify extremely radical and violent religions "
are we fr
soft inlet
Isnt it crazy how in afghanistan the women arent allowed to even speak, leave th...
its not aobur religion
the government has distorted Islam in afgan
wintry tinsel
Do you understand basics of humanity
βIf God real why bad thing happenβ
For 1 they were not toddlers
Then they were an hostile mob threatening a prophet of God in an already tumultuous political climate
βbaldyβ was a slur meaning βyouβre cursed / get out of here, prophetβ The βcurseβ isnβt just a random word they said to personally insult:
they were rejecting Godβs covenant authority
the main point is:
Biblical judgment scenes are not God βdoing evil.β
They are God restraining evil or responding to covenant rebellion.
wintry tinsel
why your god says to kill people
Because killing bad people prevents further evil
soft inlet
and how poepel with other bealife evil?
am i evil
am i deserve death huh?
kill me
wintry tinsel
You wanted an answer for kings I gave you one
soft inlet
all peopel with othert bealfie are evil
wintry tinsel
What has that to do with you or other beliefs
wintry tinsel
so why dont you kill me
Because it doesnβt follow that we have to kill indiscriminately
The commands in the OT were for specific contexts
Conflating them with βevil people = kill them allβ is kind of dishonest on your end
soft inlet
Deuteronomy 13:12β16
why its tellign to mass murder bc of some "trouble makers" who came
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, βLet us go and worship other godsβ (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt,
soft inlet
So: When did this happen?
it doesnt matetr happend this or not metter thats bible says to massmurder poeple
wintry tinsel
it doesnt matetr happend this or not metter thats bible says to massmurder poepl...
βJohn said to me to take the car keys. Now this must mean I have to take them every dayβ
wintry tinsel
Btw, even generally, ignoring this specific covenant moment in which the israelites were in a precarious situation and had to be strict in order to survive and preserve the truth through the Israelites themselves, how is not killing people that deserve it good?
soft inlet
how can peopel deservde death
is there lsit of htigns soem oe ncan do do desevre death huh?
wintry tinsel
is there lsit of htigns soem oe ncan do do desevre death huh?
Well as you can see detaching ourselves from the everlasting life of God in paradise had death as one of the consequences so, its not that in this case deserved but a consequence of our actions
Also this can be extended to people committing murder or r4pe: donβt they deserve what they get?
Repentence is allowed but it doesnβt exclude the consequences of your actions
soft inlet
Also this can be extended to people committing murder or r4pe: donβt they deserv...
deserve punsihemnt like jail
and stuff
wintry tinsel
In fact the death penalty was considered humane in ancient christian times because, for the good of the criminal, it forces a person to repent
It is better to die repentant than live a life of sin unrepentant
wintry tinsel
deserve punsihemnt like jail
Yeah but
What about criminals that keep doing it
Like most of immigrants nowadays
They are left by the justice system and they keep doing what they do because they know they can get away with it
soft inlet
thats system prbmlens thay doesnt haev life imprisonment for grape and other stuff
still doesnt meen yo uahev to kill soem one
wintry tinsel
thats system prbmlens thay doesnt haev life imprisonment for grape and other stu...
Also killing criminals prevent other crimes if you think about it
It deters others from considering it
wintry tinsel
Ofc this doesnβt properly work if the government is anti-christian in nature because the government itself doesnt help to mitigate those conditions
soft inlet
soem of cicmriansl even wanna sucide afreterr ther act
and jail will trap them
like yeah
jail much scarier than death
jail is long and birong and liek you can be beated up in jail
wintry tinsel
jail is doign that mroe than death
Sureβ¦. the skyrocketing of theft, grape and other criminal activities in the west testifies much against this
soft inlet
not reasson to kill people
also theres al ot thighns as false accusations
iakgine have false accusations and die
wintry tinsel
With judges that also dont have a sense of justice and in fact punishes those categories of people less by leaving them in probation for some days that is surely helping not only to reduce crime but helping criminals themselves to be less criminal!
Cmon dude
Be honest
soft inlet
judgest problem then
noone of thosoe is reasso nto kill
also false accusations exsit
last tinsel
@wintry bridge @hoary swift
wintry tinsel
noone of thosoe is reasso nto kill
What maybe you are missing is that killing is sad indeed
But in order to prevent further evil sometimes you gotta put to death a criminal or a grapist or whatever that may be the case
In this biblical cases we have an explanation and context
But generally that is also something not out of the ordinary: because if we are not to take this hard choice then the consequences of doing nothing will be worse (not always btw thats the point, its not that we should kill someone for every single bad action: it depends)
wintry tinsel
What maybe you are missing is that killing is sad indeed
It is a βsad concessionβ according to the Orthodox Church. Aside from defensive action against those enemies that wanted to destroy christendom the Church never officially declared any offensive war whasoever βgoodβ
Though to treat Christianity as a βmodern pacifist religionβ with modern categories and understanding which, as the results in our society show, do not always make sense or work or give true justice, is kind of bad faith
wintry tinsel
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gentle heath
<@361184950591946762> <@677782744532516864>
no pls no more youtube regurgitated opinions plsssπ
hoary swift
I love the hate
I tried tho sorry
Good luck friends
We do get our opinions from the Bible to be clear
If you arent a Christian you wouldn't get that tho
hoary swift
no pls no more youtube regurgitated opinions plsssπ
PS- if you're curious about where we get our opinions from, maybe instead of assuming we can't think for ourselves, you should ask where in the Bible it says to think the way we do about any issue. Literally just ask
gentle heath
delusion
obtuse yacht
Wth is happened here?
obtuse yacht
Isnt this crazi hoe Christian killed bunch of other people with different bealiv...
people kill people.........
Wait
Its maybe stupid, but.............
God the Father is the judge, God the Son is the lawyer of all of us and he Holy Spirit is the court itself
And then, for God, everyone is alive, so the idea itself doesn't make much sense
And in general, I think asking questions like "Why God do this? why He do that?" is also a little strange, like, this is not a human, this is GOD
soft inlet
people kill people.........
not reasson to kill
if people kill people lets go outside and start deathamtch
why not
peopel kill people
soft inlet
And then, for God, everyone is alive, so the idea itself doesn't make much sense...
so what about it god not human does he aev rights to tell other to kill
nah
obtuse yacht
peopel kill people
I meant, people killing people is not about actual faith, but about human will, sorry
soft inlet
I meant, people killing people is not about actual faith, but about human will, ...
when religion ays to kill others taht not cool
obtuse yacht
when religion ays to kill others taht not cool
hmmmmm
obtuse yacht
when religion ays to kill others taht not cool
If we are talking about Christianity, I have some questions,
where does the Bible says to kill other people?
Like
Literaly
Without questions or missundersatings and stuff, like, just "Kill people"
or we are talking about some other religion
soft inlet
If we are talking about Christianity, I have some questions,
where does the Bibl...
uh there?
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, βLet us go and worship other godsβ (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt,
hoary swift
OT AND NT are different but ok
soft inlet
so people bofre Nt had to kill peopel or uh
