I mean before bible no one knew who is jesus so did they just go to hell?
#Did all poeple before holy bible release go to hell?
spring oar
acoustic ravine
Iโm pretty sure they were put in a holding place
quartz tundra
I think they were in a part of hell waiting
Its where the misinterpretation of purgatory is from
spring oar
Iโm pretty sure they were put in a holding place
So what happend when jesus apear
Did they go to hell or
They gonna be in holding places foreve
spring oar
I think they were in a part of hell waiting
There is hell waiting?
quartz tundra
No no
They went to a waiting spot until Jesus was resurrected
Then went to heaven
spring oar
Then went to heaven
Wven bad one?
quartz tundra
No if they believed that God would save them
spring oar
Like bad people
quartz tundra
Some went to hell
spring oar
No if they believed that God would save them
But uh
spring oar
We are all bad people
Ik but like i mean
Like hear me out
Before jesus no one knew about good
God
So
Uh
spring oar
I mean i called bad people bad not in like bad like not like evrybdy bad
void river
Adam and Eve
quartz tundra
Jesus was prophesied in the OT as well
spring oar
People knew about God before Jesus
Thsy did?
void river
right?
spring oar
But bible disnt realsed
spring oar
The old testament
Testament is like old bible?
quartz tundra
Here ill find you sone verses that prophecy the coming of Christ
quartz tundra
Old testament is the first half of the Bible completed like 600 years before new testament
quartz tundra
Nah
quartz tundra
No
acoustic ravine
So testament is like demo of bible and new testsment is full bible
Kinda in a way
quartz tundra
Together they are the full Bible
quartz tundra
Genesis 1:26 ESV
[26] Then God said, โLet us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.โ
Notice how this says "we will create them in OUR image" this indicates that God is creating man in His image alongside others
The others being the Godhead
stray aspen
Iโm pretty sure they were put in a holding place
Correct. They were in an area that we consider the current Hell(or Hades) but not the final Hell. They witnessed people being tortured but they themselves were protected until Jesus came to bring them out after He died
spring oar
Where did people got old testament
quartz tundra
Isaiah 7:14 ESV
[14] Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 ESV
[6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
quartz tundra
Where did people got old testament
Other writers
spring oar
Other writers
Nono i mean like
acoustic ravine
Like Noah
quartz tundra
God breathed
spring oar
Where did writes got the text
Ohh so
God told poeple about bible and they wrote text he said
?
quartz tundra
God basically like worked through men
Yeah
And they wrote what God said
Moses wrote of creation although he was not there
Because God told him what occured and what to write
quartz tundra
God speaks to people yes!
spring oar
Wow
quartz tundra
But just not to write more Bible
stray aspen
Where did people got old testament
Luke 16:19-31
โThere was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, โFather Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.โ 25 But Abraham said, โChild, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.โ 27 And he said, โThen I beg you, father, to send him to my father's houseโ 28 for I have five brothersโso that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.โ 29 But Abraham said, โThey have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.โ 30 And he said, โNo, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.โ 31 He said to him, โIf they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.โ
quartz tundra
God speaks through the Bible like its called the living word
spring oar
God speaks through the Bible like its called the living word
So god stop to tlak directly and now yalk throught bible
Is there rwason he did that?
quartz tundra
The Bible is His words
He also speaks through scripture
Like when He talks it is based in His words in the Bible
quartz tundra
Is there rwason he did that?
The Bible says it is the final iteration
There is no more to be added
quartz tundra
Proverbs 30:6 ESV
[6] Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
spring oar
And now he tlaks only with bible
quartz tundra
Like imagine you are given a list of words that you can say
And only those words
That is like God but his list is the Bible
spring oar
Like imagine you are given a list of words that you can say
Damn
spring oar
So he speaks only with words from bible?
quartz tundra
Yes His speech is ALWAYS biblical :D
If He says anything to us its always backable by the Bible
stray aspen
So he speaks only with words from bible?
God can speak outside of what is revealed already in scripture. Scripture is just all we need to know and the only thing we can confirm is 100% from God
God will use scripture to communicate with us because we can confirm it is from God
spring oar
God can speak outside of what is revealed already in scripture. Scripture is jus...
Oh ok ywah
Yeah
Btw
Remember
Youw as tellig. Me about when there gonna be no sin in world
And people will liel beocme pwrfecr
Remember yeah?
@stray aspen
stray aspen
Yeah when Jesus returns
spring oar
Ywah yeah
So
Will people bw able to talk with him like see him and like say hi to him
And he will like say hi back
stray aspen
Yes
spring oar
Damn thats cool
stray aspen
Jesus has a physical body he'll walk around and do everything that humans do
Besides sin obv
spring oar
Jesus has a physical body he'll walk around and do everything that humans do
Will he have job?
stray aspen
Jesus had a job during his earthly ministry so I don't see why he wouldn't after the resurrection
stray aspen
He was a carpenter
spring oar
He was a carpenter
Damn cool
stray aspen
Would jesus play video games?
Video games aren't sinful so I would say probably yes
Hop on voima with Jesus
stray aspen
Maybe
spring oar
Also
I wanted ask you
Yk uhh
Theres like Branches of Christianity
Like
Katholsim
And uhh
Other one
Let me gogle rq
Orthodoxy
Yes
So uhh
Sbout them
What is true one
Katholsim?
spring oar
Ooh so theres no diffrent woch branch you ahve to just follow him
stray aspen
Read the Bible and what it plainly teaches, the Bible is infallible but men can be wrong
quartz tundra
Ooh so theres no diffrent woch branch you ahve to just follow him
Theres people saved in every branch but its just hard when they kinda get salvation wrong
quartz tundra
I will read bible
Ask questions if you ever have them
stray aspen
Every denomination has saved and unsaved people
spring oar
Ask questions if you ever have them
Alright!
stray aspen
There is no true denomination for that reason
If your trust is in Christ alone for the forgiveness of your sins then you are good
If you are trusting in your own performance, even in part, then you aren't fully trusting Jesus
stray aspen
Yes the jews were God's chosen people. They relied on tradition so much that they ended up rejecting and killing God. They followed the letter of God's law over the spirit of why it was put in place to begin with
God chose them and they killed God
spring oar
I wonder is cows some mutated horses
spring oar
Medic
spring oar
the milky milky part
Ohhh
So uhh
Bob
Yeah i see
Ohh wimya
Yes
Its called wimya in my country
Wimya
sly crescent
what are you asking about, like post-jesus pre-bible or old testament?
quartz tundra
Oooh ok!
quartz tundra
what are you asking about, like post-jesus pre-bible or old testament?
OT
Like before Jesus sacrafice
quartz tundra
No no
Jesus was born of a virgin
His mom was Mary
Immaculate conception
God is His dad like kind of
The only Son
spring oar
So uh
How did gos choose her
And like
Did he make he rpregsnt eith his holy powers
quartz tundra
Kind of
spring oar
Damn
quartz tundra
He chose her because He chooses imperfect people all throughout the Bible to carry His mission
spring oar
Ooh
quartz tundra
Like He says that in the OT that a virgin will give birth to his child
So thats why Mary was a virgin
spring oar
Ooh
sly crescent
theres some vague references to afterlife in the old testament, but jews have no expectation of heaven or anything. people outside Judaism that didn't come to know God on their own (i think job was the example?) yeah they went to hell
imo
quartz tundra
God values all people the same like we are all image bearers
spring oar
theres some vague references to afterlife in the old testament, but jews have no...
Ouch
But what about befor ot
quartz tundra
Lots of people are in hell
sly crescent
before abraham i dont think anyone was saved
quartz tundra
Hell is like punishment
spring oar
before abraham i dont think anyone was saved
Poor people
sly crescent
indeed very tragic
spring oar
Hm
So uhh
Oh also
Is that true all poeple is mad errom uhh how their names
Adsm and eeve
Yes?
Adam and eve
sly crescent
all descendants of those two according to the bible
stray aspen
before abraham i dont think anyone was saved
Would Noah not be saved in your view?
spring oar
all descendants of those two according to the bible
So is everyone technically born in incest?
sly crescent
Would Noah not be saved in your view?
oh maybe
spring oar
Would Noah not be saved in your view?
Isnt noah belives on god
Like god said build boat bc ther efonns be a lot of water and noah build it
sly crescent
So is everyone technically born in incest?
yep. it only became forbidden when the pool of people were large enough to reasonably avoid incest
spring oar
And go swim in boat with snimal
stray aspen
So is everyone technically born in incest?
Everyone is related but thankfully we are very far removed from eachother now
spring oar
yep. it only became forbidden when the pool of people were large enough to reaso...
Ooh
spring oar
Everyone is related but thankfully we are very far removed from eachother now
So technaly me and valtsu are related
Cool
stray aspen
Yes!
spring oar
No wonder why im so smart
sly crescent
indeed. you are distant cousins to everyone
spring oar
indeed. you are distant cousins to everyone
Hey cousin
sly crescent
sup cuz
spring oar
Hm
Also
About jesus last return when world gonna be perfect
How exacly jesus would return
Like
He will be broned agsin or he just apear from sky
Or there is no description of this
sly crescent
Would Noah not be saved in your view?
honestly i might be wrong. people before noah gave sacrifices to God, even before the covenant. if jews are saved they would probably be too
sly crescent
i hope hes not born again that would be confusing asf
stray aspen
No I think it's pretty clear that he won't because he already has his resurrected body
I'm just saying I think it's the sky as opposed to other parts of the earth
spring oar
Is that true jesus wasnt white?
stray aspen
I think when we resurrect were supposed to float in the sky to escort him back down with us
stray aspen
Is that true jesus wasnt white?
He was a jew from ancient Israel
stray aspen
Isrsel is so old
It was destroyed for a long time until a new nation was established with the same name
spring oar
Ooh
So new isrsel stole old one name
I see
Also in what. Countrys jesus was
Only israel?
sly crescent
rome, technically
spring oar
But no Ukraine
stray aspen
You can look up a map of where he traveled if you're curious
spring oar
Alright
west wolf
Correct. They were in an area that we consider the current Hell(or Hades) but no...
damn why did the saved people have to see all that
just seeing hell feels a lot like hell
acoustic ravine
damn why did the saved people have to see all that
just seeing hell feels a lot ...
Thatโs an interesting point..
unique robin
Uh
There's this concept called logos spermatikos
The divine Logos (Christ) planted โseedsโ of truth, reason, and moral insight in all humanity before His Incarnation
Every true insight in any culture comes from Christ, because Christ is the Logos and the Logos plants seeds of truth everywhere (it's in the very structure of reality you could say)
This explains why nonโChristians can know moral truths, why cultures have wisdom, ethics, and metaphysics, why philosophy contains partial revelations and why Christ is the fulfillment, not the negation, of human reason
In regards to people that went in Sheol, despite their belief or not, there's the Harrowing of Hades
Christ's went to Hades (His human soul, united to His divinity, descended into Hades, while
His human body, united to His divinity, lay in the tomb) to save all of the dead, by preaching the Gospel to everyone and to defeat the power of death
to free those who responded to Him and to open Paradise, which had been closed since Adam
past mesa
It's unfair
unique robin
so yes or nah
No because not all people answered to His call into Hades
acoustic ravine
sure
unique robin
unfair
why?
Christ literally preached the gospel to those dead
the dead weren't coherced in following Him
He presented them the choice of answering His call, much like here in the realm of the living
unique robin
Bwfor ejesus exist
Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Godhead always existed
Again, how was it unfair if He literally preached to them in Sheol?
Also the lineage of the people of israel was made so that the Messiah could've reedeemed the world, which He did
spring oar
Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Godhead always existed
did he
like
istn he borned one day
what was before he born
as physics
unique robin
what was before he born
God, and He didn't cease to be God when He incarnated as a man
spring oar
huh
stray aspen
damn why did the saved people have to see all that
just seeing hell feels a lot ...
It wasn't the final Hell, so it might have been less severe than it would end up being after the day of judgement
spring oar
You new to christianity?
y
acoustic ravine
hope this helps!
acoustic ravine
Before god died on the cross?
acoustic ravine
How did they pay for sin?
spring oar
before jessu i knwo there was old stuff old testament
spring oar
How did they pay for sin?
no no
stray aspen
The Son existed prior to his physical incarnation
spring oar
befor old testament
acoustic ravine
befor old testament
The garden
spring oar
if there was no bibble nobody knowed aobut god so evrybod go hell
acoustic ravine
The garden of eden
spring oar
huh so uhh
acoustic ravine
Itโs where people lived before sin
acoustic ravine
They lived in the garden and told each other by word of mouth I think
acoustic ravine
Yes, kinda
acoustic ravine
Original Poster
acoustic ravine
I thought the same lol
unique robin
before old tetmanet realsed there was no sin or
The old testament is just the collection of revelatory texts that talk about history before Christ's incarnation and ministry. It includes the creation of the world and man by God and the fall of man and human history
Sin is not just a consequence of Adam's disobedience to God: it basically is breaking the connection between God (which gives life to everything) and man, and this breaking basically made sin and death enter the world
sin isn't in reality something that exist (like the good) but rather the lack of good
it is real in the sense that it's something which the effects are tangible
like death existing
things rotting
also includes man's bad behaviors and tendencies
unique robin
The old testament is just the collection of revelatory texts that talk about his...
Specifically pieces of history that relate to Godโs direct revelation to Israel, the people from which He choose to bring forth the Messiah
past mesa
hope this helps!
This is what God looks like?
acoustic ravine
This is what God looks like?
No :P
It kinda explains how we worship only one god
sly crescent
the old testament was passed down orally before it was written