Why do you care about level so much? It’s a startup so if you want more responsibility, you likely be able to get it. When looking for your job after this, recruiters don’t put much emphasis on your last title, as it can vary so much company to company it becomes meaningless. Unless you are looking for a level upgrade strictly for higher pay, which is totally fair.
#!! OFFER HELP !! - good TC but downleveled and want to negotiate
polar bear
For sure, if you were mostly concerned about responsibilities, I’d talk to the recruiter about it and let them know exactly how you feel. You want autonomy over your work, ownership, etc. see what they have to say.
For a level upgrade for pay reasons.. I’d deploy standard negotiation tactics.
stark jetty
How many YOE do you have? What is your prev experience to justify mid level?
stark jetty
What's your prev experience to justify mid level?
bold tide
What's the biggest feature you've delivered?
hazy olive
Yes, 3.5 yr exp is not uniform, eg Google loves to downlevel even if you are coming from other big techs
tough roost
imo title isn't a huge deal to me, a TC bump is a TC bump, unless you're ambitious about your career and take it that seriously i guess. especially, i feel like getting downleveled will give you a lot of breathing room w/r/t learning the new stack as well. and if you really should be an sde 2, it'll show. feels better to kill it at sde 1 than just barely getting by as sde 2 in perf reviews.
if i was in your position with no other offers or interviews ongoing, i'd be hesitant to pushback but it shouldn't hurt to ask for more based on your current YoE. def focus on the equity portion given it's a startup.
bold tide
I'd say number 1 you shouldn't worry too much about revealing stuff.
Like I know I keep a handle, but cost benefit. Many ppl on this server know me now.
#2 you need to be really good about telling the story of your technical app.
and selling yourself
especially as self taught
focus on your elevator pitch
I think you just have to sell your self better
Also bail on this job
if you can do LFU cache you should be banking it in $$$ somewhere else else
shit house role
night stag
if you can do LFU cache you should be banking it in $$$ somewhere else else
haha wow you really think so?
bold tide
Get a recruiter imo. I think your job search fu isn't not what it could be all round.
stark jetty
It's all about best alternative. If you are solidly mid level and could get that elsewhere for more money, you may want to interview around. There's also nothing wrong with taking the down level for the comp increase, but the reasoning about not knowing that stack seems off to me. What do I know.
narrow parcel
Get a recruiter imo. I think your job search fu isn't not what it could be all ...
(any recruiter suggestions btw?)
bold tide
(any recruiter suggestions btw?)
in what sense?
Remember that the employer will be paying the recruiter, so there are all sorts of parts to the discussion.
narrow parcel
ah, internal recruiter
bold tide
But recruiters call me a lot, so my advice is to find the best recruiter out of the 20 that call you and befriend tghem
No, third party
do you know how third party recruiters get paid?
polar bear
Salary is almost always the hardest part to increase.
slender gorge
@night stag do you mind sharing the company name in DM ?
I'm looking for companies that offer RSU and are not public but it's a tough list to put together.
Curious if this company is one.
night stag
hope that helps
slender gorge
thanks 👍
hazy olive
you did your best