Platypus 2 Reclayed

[strange summit]

this is the turret place (without scaling) on the current sprite

it's impossible for it to be too small.

[ionic stratus]

That's so bizzare

[strange summit]

Gunship's spritesheet is 1500x1000

so the one frame is 500x500

the gun is 389x194

[ionic stratus]

This is the size when I put it into photoshop

lol

[strange summit]

are you sure the sprite itself isn't scaled up

[sly pond]

You're comparing the entire dimensions of each cell, and not their actual dimensions.

[ionic stratus]

I didn't scale it up

so it would be odd

[sly pond]

Also, in my test build, the lasership looked smth like this.

[strange summit]

hm

[ionic stratus]

In your tests you used my turret though

not the one Bonnie made

[strange summit]

and that's how it should look like

[sly pond]

I already have the changes afterwards.

[ionic stratus]

oh you changed it?

to the new one?

[sly pond]

I just haven't recorded it yet.

Yes

[ionic stratus]

ah alright

[strange summit]

so the issue isn't the sprite itself

[sly pond]

I don't see any issues personally speaking.

[ionic stratus]

yeah, my bad guys

[strange summit]

it alright

[ionic stratus]

I guess the program starts it off in really small dimensions

for some reason

it made me think it was really low res

lol

[sly pond]

I never get fooled by that tbh.

[strange summit]

maybe try a different program?
I'm not using Photoshop anymore so I can't check how

[ionic stratus]

yeah good call

[sly pond]

Haha, subscriptions go brrrrr

[ionic stratus]

I could try checking with a different program

[ionic stratus]

wel... there are other methods

[strange summit]

I suggest GIMP for advanced photo editing

(I used it to place the barrel in the turret)

[ionic stratus]

I really have no problems with photoshop either

[strange summit]

and I use Affinity for mockups, putting together

[ionic stratus]

I could give gimp a shot though sometime

Okay, you guys are right

I just inserted it into paint.net

and the size is fine

lol

[strange summit]

[ionic stratus]

maybe there's a better way to control this on photoshop

I'll have to look into that

Alright, I see the issue

It's because I dragged it straight into the project

copying and pasting on a different tab, the size is accurate

(still I don't know why it's like that but whatever, at least I know how to circumvent it)

[ionic stratus]

the combined version is the true winner imo

[strange summit]

yup

[ionic stratus]

What do you guys think?

improvement, or nah

[strange summit]

Looks cool, but isn't it overdetailed?

Like it kinda sticks like a sore thumb among the turrets

[ionic stratus]

perhaps yeah

if you guys think the simpler screw design is better, then we'll just leave it at that

but this is an idea I had

so I thought maybe?

[bronze venture]

@ionic stratus, Guess what...

[rich remnant]

I like it

[bronze venture]

** IN PLATYPUS 2 RECLAYED!!! **

[ionic stratus]

Alright we're going to make it a poll again I think

[ionic stratus]

Would be cool to hear her say it

maybe once we have a demo out lol

[bronze venture]

I prefer green monitor, cuz of plasma

[ionic stratus]

I also feel it looks cool, but it could overcomplicate the design

that said, the turret already looks quite different from other turrets

I'm fine with whatever you guys decide

but I did want to put this idea out there

[umbral ridge]

Now I rarely used gimp I used Photopea

[static copper]

Honestly better

It has a better contrast

[solemn epoch]

the screw is more tidier, but the battery definitely makes it more unique

[sly pond]

We can somewhat simplify this in case it feels overdetailed.

[static copper]

Also there is a stray paint on the right side

[sly pond]

Oh, and here's my comment about it:
The lightning symbol clearly communicates that it is a laser beam turret.

[ionic stratus]

(I know lol, I fixed it but it was too late)

[ionic stratus]

I can get rid of the border worst case scenario

[strange summit]

I guess Imma start working on the screen then

[sly pond]

The border can defo be simplified.

[strange summit]

do we need the border tho?

[ionic stratus]

Probably unneeded yeah

[strange summit]

can't the screen be in turret, without a border?

[sly pond]

That's what I was imagining lol

[ionic stratus]

We can also make it just a thin border

[ionic stratus]

Honestly you can probably get it to look better than me lol

so go ahead if you wanna

[strange summit]

[sly pond]

This is how I imagine being "borderless".

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, something like that

[sly pond]

The monitor is recessed directly onto the turret.

[ionic stratus]

although maybe the screen could be slightly larger to compensate

[sly pond]

Agreed.

Another mock-up.

Laser beam charge...

[strange summit]

yes, something like that

can I colour it more like the laser tho?

[sly pond]

The monitor?

[strange summit]

mhm

[ionic stratus]

preferrable I'd say, yeah

[rich remnant]

Peak

[strange summit]

thanks!

[sly pond]

Nice clay-ification

[sly pond]

The bottom and left edges of the monitor could be much lighter to give more depth.

As in the monitor appears recessed onto the turret body.

[strange summit]

well, the model is actually a frame with the screen recessed into it

I just erased the frame

[sly pond]

I see.

Either way, I think it can further be edited on GIMP or smth.

[strange summit]

okii

[ionic stratus]

With this being finished, I'd say we finally have our lasership design

[static copper]

The weird black border makes the design a bit muddy

Also i think is off center

[sly pond]

I too noticed.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, the black border could be reduced a bit I suppose

[sly pond]

And don't forget that the bottom and left edges should be lighter.

[sly pond]

Kind of like in the mock-up I made, even though I made it too subtle.

[ionic stratus]

It's interesting, with the interior being clayified now, kinda makes it look like laser juice lol

I think it's pretty fitting actually

[sly pond]

Indeed

[rich remnant]

Tru

Laser juice
Yummy!

[sly pond]

Makes me feel like...

This is straight from Touhou EoSD btw

And no, this won't be a replacement for the laser beam fire we already have in the repo.

lazer

[ionic stratus]

Nice to finally see the sfx playing

[ionic stratus]

Now that I look at it again, I do kind of wonder if the design would be better if it just had the bolt in green without the monitor

it would simplify it

[solemn epoch]

just need the firing/bright frame and itll be perfect

[sly pond]

The monitor glowing as it shoots you say?

[ionic stratus]

That could look nice too

[solemn epoch]

the gun turret thing, like the ordinary gun turrets

[sly pond]

I see

[strange summit]

-# guys.... w-wait... I'm not keeping up...

[sly pond]

I made 100 commits!

[ionic stratus]

We got too excited lol

[strange summit]

-# here....frame....

[sly pond]

Looking nice overall.

[strange summit]

Thanks

[strange summit]

How many frames?

will this be a pre-load?

or during the shot

[sly pond]

Hold on, I think you might be thinking about the screen constantly flashing subtly whether firing or not.

[strange summit]

I think of 2 ideas

• screen does a little flash before the shot

or

• screen flashes as the laser shoots, making it feel like the raw power is being exhausted from the gun

[strange summit]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-3-%26-knuckles-sonic-e-tails-vs-death-eggman-robot-gif-8851770125447012531

[sly pond]

To anyone else, what do you think?

[ionic stratus]

I know we just said we have finalized design

but I'll say again, I do wonder if just green bolt is enough

without the monitor thing

[strange summit]

?

[ionic stratus]

I'll show you what I mean

Like this

very simple/quick mockup lol

[strange summit]

https://tenor.com/view/pidove-dove-bird-pokemon-pokemon-pidove-gif-3123513359235774200

[sly pond]

I imagine the green electric symbol will glow.

It will sort of pulsate.

[ionic stratus]

Sorry lol, I should've realized beforehand

you might've been right about the design being too busy

[sly pond]

Laserships in Nasty mode...

[ionic stratus]

Honestly looks really cool

I'd say that with exception to some graphical edits this enemy can be considered finished

[last ivy]

It can be evil if that turret follows the player.

[ionic stratus]

I think that's too inherently different from what the enemy originally was

maybe as some kind of variant, but idk, there already enough enemies in the game lol

[fleet pond]

Lasership coming to life, sick!

[fleet pond]

This is looking very good.
If you can implement the screen flashing, I think that would be a nice detail to it, as you've mentioned.

[rich remnant]

I don't think the smaller / bigger variant of the entity would be needed anymore. I personally like this version enough 👍

Sorry, brought that topic back out of nowhere lol

[ionic stratus]

We can probably still have the 1 turret super gunship idea

I feel like that'd be very simple to implement

but as far as the lasership itself, this is it for sure

[fleet pond]

Well, purple ship appears in P2, so we should be faithful and keep it, imo.

The green lasership is a new variant.

Just that the purple gunship will behave like a red gunship movement wise.

[rich remnant]

I think that'd make it almost identical to the regular gunship tho

so IG either making it big, like the super GunShip, or making it normal-sized but coming from the right would be nice

as to make them a bit more distinct from each other

another thing to discuss would be the name, cus' we got a lasership already 🤔

unless we call the purple one Lasership, and the green one SuperLasership

[ionic stratus]

Honestly you've got a good point, super gunships are there as a more powerful of the normal gunship

the one turret variant isn't necessary

it would be redundant

[clear snow]

Laserships should be green

Well, Super Laserships could be White

[karmic oasis]

Peak Enemy Attack redesign

[ionic stratus]

The laserships are def staying green

as far as super laserships... we'll see about that

I feel like for now this is enough

[fleet pond]

Let's just use the Super Gunship, lol.

It's Purple. It's Gunship. It's Lasers. It fits. It wins. It loses. It loves. It laughs. It cries.

And we will be using Reclayed enemies after all.

[static copper]

Maybe we have too many gunships

[fleet pond]

Same ammount as Uns, which is 4. It's fine.

[static copper]

I mean

Triple guns, flip planes and the 2 spinners are tecnically gunships too

[fleet pond]

Flip Planes are considered Batoids according to Claymatic.

Alongside Goldfishes, Pink Ships and Big Pink Ships.

[static copper]

good to know

I think that was in og platypus that they were gunships

[clear snow]

I already had a new enemy idea.

Hyper Spinner
Slowly spins at first, but slowly spins faster and flies around.
When it spins faster, it shoots a volley of bullets before spinning back slowly.

It's similar to the spinning enemies from Cosmic/Water Bugs.

What do you guys think of my concept?

[fleet pond]

We already have spinner enemies from Reclayed though.

Turret wise at least

[static copper]

I do personally preffer more original enemies rather than pre exististing variants

but well platypus 2 is kinda like the variants game

[clear snow]

Most enemies are just straight up reskins from Platypus 1, so it makes sense.

[ionic stratus]

Exactly lol

I am up for creating brand new enemies though

[fleet pond]

The reskins are being transformed to unique takes though.

[ionic stratus]

it's just that those take a lot more effort

it'd need to be a good enough concept

[fleet pond]

We can always make one new group of enemies introduced in the Space level ig.

[clear snow]

An area I already envisioned was Level 5 Area 3

The Asteroid Field

Unlike volcanic rocks, asteroids can be destroyed

[fleet pond]

Yeah that idea is cool.

[ionic stratus]

that is a cool idea

[fleet pond]

Rock variants, nice.

[ionic stratus]

kind of reminds me of chicken invaders

[clear snow]

In Level 5 Area 4, you start to see the alien enemies.
The alien planet would also be seen in a distance.

But I still don't have an idea for the Space boss yet.

[fleet pond]

I liked the Mommy Tick concept, heh.

[ionic stratus]

That kind of enemy always works well

the enemy that protects other enemies kind

many games have it

[fleet pond]

In Reclayed, Mommy Squid comes before the final level. Besides protecting her Squids, she is the Guardian of the Factory.
So in Reclayed 2, Mommy Tick also protects her Ticks by shielding them, and is the Guardian of the Moon.

[clear snow]

Aha! I've already got an idea for the Space boss.

Bug Bot - Has two phases

It has different attacks:
Shoots autofire projectiles (similar to the Interceptor boss from Air Strike 3D)
Shoots homing missiles
Shoots lightning

This is for the first phase

[static copper]

i do hold the idea of an extra level
before we get confirmation of a few things
like the map sprite

[clear snow]

The second phase is that it has different attacks:
Shoots mortar bullets in a spread shot pattern
Shoots homing missiles
Charges to the player

[strange summit]

oki, I will do that tomorrow

[ionic stratus]

Goodnight Bonnie, thanks for everything you've done today!

[strange summit]

Goodnight!

[sly pond]

Yeah, tho this was already retconned by Claymatic. :p

[strange summit]

oh

imma call them gunships mk II anyways

[sly pond]

About the ICBM launch SFX, what if we could use the rocket launch SFX from Clodhoppers?

In addition to the air raid sound from Heavy Weapon.

[ionic stratus]

Feel free to send them here

I am not familiar with either personally

but perhaps we can use them

[sly pond]

Sadly, I don't have direct access to the game files of Clodhoppers.

[fleet pond]

Air raid sfx is in the Hub and is quite fitting, imo. It is used when a barrage of ICBM is launched in Heavy Weapon. I don't recall the rocket launch sfx from Clodhoppers.

Either way, a launch sfx could fit nicely as well yeah.

[sly pond]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-bLyAeePDc

You can hear what I am talking about in this video.

The fire sfx of the rocket launcher.

Perhaps we could ask Claymatic for that sfx in particular.

[fleet pond]

Oh yeah, around 00:24

Sounds fitting I'd say, if allowed ofc.

[sly pond]

@latent geyser, mind if we could use the rocket launch sound from Clodhoppers for use in this mod? If you can't personally send the file to us, perhaps you could notify the other devs for this.

[static copper]

i'm stealing taking both sounds to use in mine too

[sly pond]

The sound bungee zombies make whenever they steal something. :3

[fleet pond]

What have I done @sly pond I tried spawning your handmade lua greenFish and my game exploded with errors 😭
What am I doing wrong? Lol

[sly pond]

Have you used all the latest assets?

Also worth noting that it uses some beta functions.

[fleet pond]

Oh, is something required for the functions to work.

beta ones I mean.

[sly pond]

Yes

[fleet pond]

Ah, well that sums it up I guess then

[sly pond]

I see that you're using the current public version. :3

[fleet pond]

I was going to test a new entity basing of off your green fish, heh 😭

[sly pond]

What happened then?

[fleet pond]

Well those errors happened

Might as well just showcase using standard fish behaviour

[sly pond]

Have you already switch to beta 1.4?

[fleet pond]

My dumb ahh wasted a good 1 hour trying to spawn them 💀

well thanks Squid 😂

[sly pond]

I reckon you are now continuing the recreation of Level 1.

[fleet pond]

Yeahhh
I'm going to begin updating the Area 1 sketch I had made back then.

[clear snow]

The making of levels starts now

while some new enemies are in the making

[fleet pond]

Here's the new entity I was talking about...
The enemy nobody EVERYONE asked for:

fish fighter FISH

[solemn epoch]

make it an add-on to reclayed

schools of fishes

[fleet pond]

Ha! Good idea.
And no joke, this enemy would fit the alien pool of enemies, imo. The alien counterpart of the fish fighter. And everyone seems to be wanting a enemy!

[umbral ridge]

Now psycho do I need to play Clodhopper?

one of Claymatic games I mean Platypus is the most nostalgic

[sly pond]

Why are you asking this? It is completely your choice, not mine.

[sly pond]

I will be waiting for this...

[strange summit]

Patience please, I'm during lectures

[sly pond]

Ah, I didn't mean to pressure you.

sry

[strange summit]

Yesterday I've spent all the time I had on the sprite, as I don't want anyone to get impatient and do it themselves
I want to contribute to this part and I will

[ionic stratus]

No worries, take your time

besides your lectures, you also have the right to rest after yesterday

I may try to do some of the fastship recolors in the meantime

[sly pond]

Also, I'm pretty sure that no one else would make the lasership turret anyway.

[ionic stratus]

Lol yeah

I doubt it as well

I'm just going to move to other things in the meantime

besides that one detail the lasership itself is complete anyway visually imo

probably the laser also needs some edits, but that's about it

[sly pond]

How would we want the laser beam to look like?

[ionic stratus]

I think it looks fine right now, but its start point could look less flat

we can probably combine the charge up sprite you made with the current laser beam and it'll look good

I also feel the charge up animation itself could probably also be improved

[last ivy]

This is really funny ngl XD

[latent geyser]

If you're asking, then I could ask yeah - Assuming we made it 🤔

Rather, I'd point that question to @timber cove

[sly pond]

Gotcha

Either way, reason why I ask it to you first is because you were the only one among Team Claymatic active at the time.

[fleet pond]

Glad my silliness managed to get a couple of chuckles, haha!

[fleet pond]

I've worked on something. Here is the Platypus 2 ICBM (art by geio) multi-directional sprite sheet.

[umbral ridge]

Oh the Icbms has a right side

I think I'll be scared if they spawn on the right side instead of left

[sly pond]

I saw your fish fighters on git.

[ionic stratus]

We should do some funny where you have to input a secret code to get it

[solemn epoch]

writetyper

[strange summit]

hai team, any ideas for me to draw?

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm, could always work on some kind of scenary?

[strange summit]

hm

and any suggestions for smaller stuff, like a vehicle? from Platypus overall

or a character

[ionic stratus]

Thing is I'm not sure what to suggest you didn't already start on lol

in terms of characters/vehicles

Oh I have an idea

This guy

it's a character and scenary, a perfect mix lol

[strange summit]

xD

[ionic stratus]

Another suggestion

I don't think this guy has been taken yet

Oh nvm

Makyuni reserved it

[strange summit]

yup

same with eyes

[ionic stratus]

Maybe miniserpent?

[strange summit]

though by that question I just meant what to draw during free time, not what to work on

[ionic stratus]

Oh unrelated to the mod?

[strange summit]

I'm currently during lecture at college

[strange summit]

yup

[ionic stratus]

Ahhh I see

[strange summit]

-# sorry for asking the question here, despite it being unrelated

[ionic stratus]

(I'm also in a lecture)

lol

[strange summit]

(another thing we can relate to!)

[solemn epoch]

yeah draw this thing loll

[ionic stratus]

I guess you can draw like, an angry squid

if you're just bored lol/wanting to pass the time

[strange summit]

hmmm

[solemn epoch]

maybe draw the alien planets? idk tbh

[sly pond]

Wait a minute, lecture on a Sunday?

[strange summit]

ya

I got the weekends

[sly pond]

I never have a single class on Sunday.

Throughout my lifetime that is.

[strange summit]

cause you got during the week?

[ionic stratus]

I don't have weekend lectures, but I do have sunday ones

[sly pond]

Ye, altho Saturday classes are sometimes a thing.

[strange summit]

hm

well, I have lectures every weekend

boring as fawk

[ionic stratus]

Yep lol

same

you studying arts?

[strange summit]

nah, I tried applying to an art school but got rejected

[ionic stratus]

Ah that's unfortunate, because you do have talent for it

what are you studying then if not that?

[strange summit]

thankiesss

[ionic stratus]

we can move to #😀┃chat maybe

to not clog this chat

[strange summit]

okiii

-# sorryyyy to those who will get mad later

[ionic stratus]

It's fine lol dw

[rich remnant]

I can lend it to @strange summit if she wants 👀
As long as I get to work on the blue Brainship myself

[sinful musk]

[hollow gate]

Let's name him "Pickle" XD

Because look at him

[opal mortar]

His actual name is Silthax

[hollow gate]

Silthax?

Oh yeah that name

[strange summit]

Silthax the Stinky

[strange summit]

thankies, but I don't want to take whatchu already reserved

[hollow gate]

Silthax: This ain't Nuxeon!

[rich remnant]

I wouldn't mind really :3
I kinda lost inspiration for that brain tbh
But if you really don't wanna do it, I can work on it myself 👍

[strange summit]

no no no, I can work on it unless you'd like to work on it yourself

[rich remnant]

Go ahead! :D
Just keep the blue ship sprite for me, okie?

But I lend the brain to you 👍

[strange summit]

[ionic stratus]

Should I change it on the list then?

Alright, I changed it

[rich remnant]

Good 👍
Thank yo! :D

[zinc citrus]

I should have free time in april to finish the tower
After that idk I may take up some minor things if theres any left by that point
And I'm free to do the alien sfx btw

[cursive belfry]

pterodactyls my beloved

[fleet pond]

So looping sfx is now possible 🥳

[sly pond]

Precisely

[ionic stratus]

That's great!

[sly pond]

However, one slight problem...

The bug movement seems off.

And I haven't even modified its movement index at all.

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm, I'd say it's fine enough for now

but yeah speed variable support so they come in slowly would be better if possible

[sly pond]

Basically, whenever they spawn, their initial movement speed is set to diagonals at max speeds.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, I see what you mean

do you think it comes in too fast for the player to react from your testing?

[sly pond]

Nope.

Plus, they already have I-frames anyway.

[ionic stratus]

Then I don't think it's an issue at all

at least from how it looks

again though, if that does get support in the future, maybe it's worth trying

but the enemy works very well like this too imo

[sly pond]

Bottom line is, there is a bug that is causing weird initial movements.

[strange summit]

hai, you're doing great on the bugs!

[sly pond]

Tnx

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm I see, maybe I lack some technical understanding here then lol

[strange summit]

hai Green 👋

[ionic stratus]

Hello 👋

[ionic stratus]

I should add bug as a thumbnail for the mod in github

[strange summit]

[sly pond]

The first part of the footage shows how problematic the bug is, though I managed to fix the bug later down the line, as you will see in the second half of the footage.

[ionic stratus]

It looks kind of cool how they all swarm around the player ship lol

Anyway, I suppose that was the problem, since later on in the footage I see that doesn't happen

[sly pond]

The bug was that the movement speed was already being calculated even before they spawn.

Which meant they had a headstart with their speeds, but only at one of four diagonals.

But, with a condition that checks whether they are spawned or not, the issue has been fixed.

Normally, they are supposed to start at 0 speed on spawn, and then build up their speed as they chase the player.

Also, there is another bug...

But this time, it revolves around the new sound effect system.

The game doesn't automatically stop any custom looping SFX when restarted or reloaded.

[ionic stratus]

That certainly sounds like a problem

I assume that one will be fixed though, seems like an oversight

(Especially since you've put it to light over there)

[sly pond]

ye

[modern fulcrum]

flies

[chilly path]

Props on using git for this! Glad to see Platypus being a reason for people to get into git

[ionic stratus]

Thank you as well for your continued support towards improving the game's modding capabilities!

the mod wouldn't have been able to get as far without it 🙂

as well as everyone else who has helped with the creation of the mod so far

[umbral ridge]

@sly pond how is it

the enemies themselves

[sly pond]

The recreation of new enemies?

[sly pond]

The SFX file for the ICBM launch.
Thank @timber cove for this. ^^

[umbral ridge]

Psycho ICBMs are dumb easy to dodge btw

since they spawn from the left side

so what

[sly pond]

Which is why we already decided months ago that they will come from more directions.
And what do you mean by that in the first place?

Remember, ICBMs won't be the only threats, as there might be other enemies on screen too.

[umbral ridge]

So they'll stay the same

The only thing that Icbms will be a threat is the other enemies

[sly pond]

Didn't I just state before that they will come from more directions in this fan remake specifically?

[solemn epoch]

we are all getting hit by the Curse of Knowledge (just found that lol)

[sly pond]

You read it from the wiki did you? :P

[solemn epoch]

insta post & wiki-ing it out, so yeah

[sly pond]

Calling in fellow modders out here...
WDYT of this modified rocket launch SFX from Clodhoppers?

[strange summit]

too light for a heavy missile the size of a house

[sly pond]

We can always lower the pitch in audio.json.

[strange summit]

maybe

I don't think that will change much

[solemn epoch]

this, and longer duration (5 secs?)

[sly pond]

Gotcha

Although I'll wait for more feedback.

[sly pond]

Either way...

I gave the ICBMs some randomly staggered launch sequences.

[clear snow]

I think this one might work.

[sly pond]

Are you referring to the launch SFX? <:3

[clear snow]

Yes, and the way the ICBM moves left or right

[sly pond]

I see.

[clear snow]

So, is the ICBM movement and sounds final?

[sly pond]

We'll wait for the final consensus mate.

[strange summit]

well, I gotta explain my point more

you see, the sound of those ICBMs launching should be heavier

take the largest explosion for example

it's not a boom

it's more like

boom

I just don't get the feeling of a big-ass rocket taking off

[sly pond]

Don't you mean something like a volcanic eruption or similar, whose explosion is persistent?

Anyway, lowered the pitch to 0.6

[strange summit]

oh, that's more like it

[sly pond]

How about this?

The pitch here is set to 0.4 from the source SFX file.

[strange summit]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[clear snow]

I like how some of your videos play but other videos don't play.

[strange summit]

now I finally hear that big-ass rocket go

[sly pond]

Sometimes, I don't always post them at H.264.

[sly pond]

About the staggered launch sequences, this can be controlled by a new command arg I implemented, which goes as follows:
"timeRange": [0, 300]

[sly pond]

To anyone else out here, you may notice that the siren sound now only plays on the first ICBM launch per batch.

WDYT of this change?

Should the siren sound be played at every ICBM launch, or just the first one?

@ionic stratus, @fleet pond?

[strange summit]

just for the first one imo

otherwise it could get annoying

[sly pond]

[sly pond]

I remember you wanted to steal take the ICBM sounds to your mod.
Now what do you think of this modified rocket launch sound file from Clodhoppers for use as ICBM launch?

The non-compressed SFX is already available on this mod's repo on git.

[static copper]

Cool, i mostly intend of steal, i mean borrow the changes you did

[sly pond]

Haha, nice.

Also, I'm about to update the Lua code for the ICBMs in the repo, to give the option to configure the launch sequences, be it sequential or staggered.

[sly pond]

To anyone else, do you agree with her point regarding ICBM siren only being played by the first launch?

[ionic stratus]

In terms of sound I would say what you have right now seems like enough

at least to me

if you think the siren sound could add some neat to it though, I am not opposed to it

[sly pond]

Already updated the ICBM code on GitHub.

[ionic stratus]

Also did you add a sfx of a bus passing by or did I imagine it lol

[sly pond]

It already does for every first launch among the given batch.

[sly pond]

Bus?

[sly pond]

Now I just wanna ask this question in particular.

[ionic stratus]

There was an SFX in one of the videos that sounded like a Bus passby

[sly pond]

In Clodhoppers?

[ionic stratus]

In one of your videos

maybe I imagined it or an actual Bus passed near me though lol

[sly pond]

This in particular?

[ionic stratus]

Ohhhh

It's the siren I think

I sounds to me like a bus passing by lol

[sly pond]

Maybe it's just you, or IDK. :p

[ionic stratus]

I would say maybe a different SFX could be chosen lol

because it did confuse me a little

[sly pond]

It was ripped straight from Heavy Weapon tho, a game Wolf2k loves.

[ionic stratus]

It could be just me tbf

[ionic stratus]

Anyway, I do agree that if a siren does get played, it should be per ICBM batch

[sly pond]

And not by every single ICBM, I reckon.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, I agree with Bonnie it could get annoying

Actually, you know what, I have an idea regarding the siren sfx

[sly pond]

New timeRange command arg in action...

wait(   0); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "spawnRange": [100, 500, 500, 200], "speed": [0, -5], "timeRange": [  0,   0] );
wait( 500); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "spawnRange": [100, 500, 500, 200], "speed": [0, -5], "timeRange": [600, 600] );
wait( 500); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "spawnRange": [100, 500, 500, 200], "speed": [0, -5], "timeRange": [  0, 600] );

[ionic stratus]

doesn't reclayed technically already have an alarm SFX?
You know with the exclamation mark(!)

I think using that during the ICBM launches would be really fitting

Perhaps it could be both

[sly pond]

I'd imagine the ship being near an approaching ICBM will trigger the warning behavior.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I think using it exactly like the volcano eruptions would be perfect

Actually no wait

since it only activates there when a boulder is above the player

So perhaps just when they're launching from the background

or entering the foreground

[sly pond]

I can make it so that when the player is right within the path of an approaching ICBM, it will play the warning.

[ionic stratus]

That could be what it should be, yeah

either way I think it's worth experimenting on

[sly pond]

I'm doing so rn. 😎

[ionic stratus]

Nice!

Another idea I have btw

the ICBMs could probably be faster depending on the difficulty

[sly pond]

Noted

[ionic stratus]

Since ICBMs are essentially diagonal boulders

probably similar speed to those I'd say

[sly pond]

I got them to work!

I also replaced the speed command args with direction, to make room for difficulty-based movement speed.

Anyway, below are the level commands used in the video above:

wait(   0); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "direction": -90, "spawnRange": [100, 500, 500, 200], "timeRange": [0, 600] );
wait( 500); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "direction": -30, "spawnRange": [-400, -200, -100, 200], "timeRange": [0, 600] );
wait( 500); spawnEntity("entity": "icbmLauncher", "x":800, "y": 300, "missiles": 5, "direction": 210, "spawnRange": [800, 1000, -100, 200], "timeRange": [0, 600] );

Furthermore, here is the list of speed values per difficulty:

• Easy = 3
• Regular = 4
• Hard = 5
• Expert = 6
• Nasty = 7

[sly pond]

This footage is recorded on Expert mode BTW.

[ionic stratus]

Looking great!

fits perfectly I'd say

and I like the variants that come from the top too

in terms of the siren, I feel like maybe it could play a bit earlier?

before the first ICBM takes off

maybe that's what caused the confusion on my part earlier

[rich remnant]

I wonder why does the sprite overlapping happen

yeah, I know it's a vanilla thing, just wanted to ask lol

[fleet pond]

I think you did the right call. First ICBM per batch.

[sly pond]

Also upscaled the smoke by 50% and made the trail last 2x longer.

[fleet pond]

I know those are just tests, but when designing a level I would probably launch every ICBM per batch, before the next batch begins launching.

[ionic stratus]

This is def the best it's looked so far, the siren timing is also improved

[fleet pond]

But that's just level design miscellanous details I'm talking about, which I know can be edited.

Anyway, the entity is very well done!

[sly pond]

You can play with a shitton of entity args Tar and I set up for these ICBM launchers. ;3

Missile count, direction in angle, spawn range, and launch time range.

[fleet pond]

Yeah, I've noticed, that's great. Thanks for making them very flexible! I was just pointing what I'd probably due in the future, hehe.

[sly pond]

Nevertheless, we gotta thank @static copper for laying the foundation of the ICBM codes.

[fleet pond]

Certainly. Great work both of you.

🚀

[ionic stratus]

Agreed, great work!

I guess we can peobably set the ICBM as complete now

on the list

although I am uncertain if we settled on sprites

[fleet pond]

Didn't geio's sprite win the poll, though?

By a large margin too.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, it did

[sly pond]

We already have the 16 ICBM sprites that uses geio's rendition on GitHub.

[ionic stratus]

but considering we have multiple direction ICBMs now, the sprites will probably have to be updated graphically

[fleet pond]

I already made the sprite sheet.

^

The vertical one only needs to be a bit transparent for the background spawn.

And resized.

[ionic stratus]

Did you touch up the lighting though?

that's the main thing I'm worried about

[fleet pond]

No, I tought that didn't matter.

I stayed true to Platypus 2 XD

[ionic stratus]

Lol

I'd say if we can improve that aspect of the sprites, that would be good

but I can set it as complete anyway for now

we do def have a solid foundation thanks to you and geio

and ofc psychosquid and tar tary on the programming side

[sly pond]

No need to add a fog overlay on it, for the game already does it for us.

Only the size shall be adjusted.

[fleet pond]

Oh really.

Nice then.

[ionic stratus]

Oh someone already put it as done on the list lol

I guess that was you Psychosquid

[sly pond]

Have you thoroughly checked the update history?

[ionic stratus]

Oh does google docs have that option?

[sly pond]

Yes

[ionic stratus]

I see, I didn't even know lol

[fleet pond]

Who do I ask to have editing permissions? I'd like to update the list whenever convenient as well.

[ionic stratus]

Only me Makyuni and psychosquid

[sly pond]

@rich remnant is the owner of the file, so you may ask him out. ;3

[fleet pond]

Okay. 🦇 Batty bat, may I be given the honours of being able to edit the Google Docs?

[ionic stratus]

The list could probably be expanded tbh

it's mainly focused on enemies at the moment

[fleet pond]

True, the tiles need to be expanded.

[ionic stratus]

while scenery assets are sort of mentioned broadly

If I find the time I can probably work on that tomorrow

I'll at least add the stuff that we should give our attention to

[rich remnant]

I can, though please (not just for you, for everyone), try to respect what has been written, and the reservations, and notify us of any changes, specially if they're important 🙏

I'll need your gmail address, Wolf2K
You can DM it if you're not comfy sharing it here

[solemn epoch]

i have some files of the original layers, maybe i can try making a mock up with different shadow placements to simulate the rotation

[fleet pond]

I see that the Cannon Squid displays not sure? in the doc. Can I reserve it like the Missile Squid? I have some details I'd like to update for them.

[sly pond]

If no one else does, then go ahead. :D

[solemn epoch]

should the icbm have damage sprites too? seeing platy2 reclayed icbm has limited moves, maybe itll be easier to make lol

[fleet pond]

Idk how feasible damage sprites are for entities that have multiple sprites in their sheet, when moving, like the fish fighters, rays or saucers. Has anyone tried this with lua? If I recall, no OG Platypus enemy does this either.

Seems complex to me in hindsight. You'd probably need like 6 different multi-directional sprite sheets, each with a different damage state😵, unless someone knows a practical way.

[sly pond]

That will require 16 different sprite sheets.

[fleet pond]

Or even more 💀

[sly pond]

Though at least we as coders know how to have the entities change sprite sheets depending on the angle. ;3

[fleet pond]

Ah, I see what you mean now with that many sprite sheets.

[sly pond]

Ye

[fleet pond]

Possible, but perhaps overwhelming?

[solemn epoch]

was thinking to make only 4 part of it that have the damage sprites lmao

[sly pond]

Let's make a poll.

[clear snow]

Might be too complex to make

[cursive belfry]

Is it weird that i have ideas for levels that also use the Platypus 2 enemies a long time ago?

like

back in 2012-2013?

[modern fulcrum]

Certified missile

[ionic stratus]

If it does get damage frames it probably shouldn't be many

1 or 2 might be enough

[strange summit]

yup

[ionic stratus]

Chat did I cook

[bronze venture]

Yes you do

[strange summit]

colour accurate!

[cobalt sorrel]

-# boomerangs
cooler boomerangs

[ionic stratus]

Made some slight adjustments

[rich remnant]

looks rlly nice

[ionic stratus]

Thanks everyone!

Gonna upload this to the github now

although flipped to the other direction, since their behavior is going to be mirrored to normal fastships

actually wait does it need to be flipped if their behavior is mirrored?

I don't think so

[strange summit]

it doesn't me thinks

[ionic stratus]

yeah, wouldn't make sense with the lighting

so I'll just upload it as is

[rich remnant]

remember you got the "invert sprite sheet" option in animations file, just in case

[sly pond]

That's for the framing order.

[ionic stratus]

The file is on github

I made some other slight adjustments to the shadow outlines

[last ivy]

Flying Tomato ❌

Flying Blueberry ✔️

[ionic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/rob-made-this-gif-robinn-gif-its-true-it's-true-true-gif-5253832473799116673

[sly pond]

[umbral ridge]

Gosh what if @modern fulcrum see this u know that those blue fish fires freaking missiles in Remam!

[modern fulcrum]

gosh

it's already in Remam

change ideas plz

[simple prism]

I'm blue da ba de ba du da da ba dee da ba da da ba dee da du da~

[opal hamlet]

Flying tomatoes blueberries

[sly pond]

Alright y'all, what other ICBM variants do you want to see in the mod?

[rich remnant]

I don't even know what nuclear ICBM does lol

[sly pond]

I'd like to see an ICBM that covers the entire screen with smoke for prolonged periods of time.

[rich remnant]

I (can't) CBM

[sly pond]

Remember when you guys thought it's impossible to render a sprite above the player?

Well, you actually can, by setting its default layer to 0.

0 is basically the very foreground.

[rich remnant]

only thing I hate is things aren't static. They have the parallax movement of that foreground layer

unless there's a way to bypass it now... it's been a while so idk

[sly pond]

Well, any Lua entity with no movement won't move at all.

However, the vertical offset as the player moves up and down is something else.

[rich remnant]

yup :,)

that's the parallax I'm talking about

basically the depth movement velocity, depending on the layer the entity is on

things further away move slower, and things closer move faster

[modern fulcrum]

Let's make it annoying by making them shoot lighting

[modern fulcrum]

Remam idea don't steal it

[solemn epoch]

we're gonna steal it i think
-# (not a real idea dw)

[rich remnant]

Remam asking to not steal it is crazy xD

[runic imp]

YOO

the only things i feel are missing are the smoke rings on liftoff and them being smaller/further in the background

aside from that these are awesome stage hazards

[static copper]

the lastest iteration does have the being smaller on the background,

(this is using casinopolis icbm sprite)

[sly pond]

Oh man, the smoke coming from the background ICBM looks disconnected, LMFAO.

[static copper]

yeah due it being smaller

[sly pond]

Maybe the background icbm trail could use the exact same sprite as rocket trail, but with an update counter of 4.

[static copper]

i think adjusting it y spawn should be enough

too many entities

[sly pond]

I think you already have the entity entry for the background ICBM trail anyway.

  {
    "name": "icbmTrail2",
    "sprite": "Effects/Bullets/icbm trail",
    "behaviour": "SmokeRing",
    "defaultLayer": 5,
    "sortOrder": 2000
  }

[sly pond]

Setting up ICBM spawns with the magic of args in a level data is fun as fuck.

[modern fulcrum]

use this as the hangar

[sly pond]

We'll see what would the others think of using that.

[clear snow]

Needs some modifications.

The building should actually look like a hangar.

[ionic stratus]

Now that I look at it again, the ICBMs can probably leave off white debris after exploding

[ionic stratus]

I personally feel the smoke rings are actually less fitting

the smoke particles Psychosquid used give it way more of a lift off feeling

[strange summit]

true

[sly pond]

Highly agreed.

[umbral ridge]

Oh gosh they'll like asteroids

And they have that ‼️when it's above a ICBM

[umbral ridge]

The bottom sprites has a freaking FACE!

I didn't know they have a freakin face

[clear snow]

Now I can't unsee it.

[sly pond]

Alright modders, what do you guys think should we add or change to the first boss of Platypus 2 for this mod project?

There's a good chance that people under the code department may start working on it.

[clear snow]

Just like how Platypus Reclayed's first boss is changed?

[sly pond]

There might be more than just that.

[clear snow]

I already thought that the first boss should have extra turrets.

[sly pond]

Anyway, most other modders aren't active in the server ATM.

It's pretty much me and Tar tary who are currently online.

[ionic stratus]

I'm not sure tbh

I know ASW added a second turret to it, but we haven't really gone further than that

it is also the first boss so I'm not sure if it needs many changes, since it's supposed to be rather simplistic

I guess here's a wacky idea we can try: giving it a second submarine phase after the sea serpent phase is destroyed

so kind of doing the opposite of what boss 3 is in platypus 1

[sly pond]

👀

[ionic stratus]

I suppose that means you like it lol

that's 1 idea

The original boss goes up and down, fires a squid gun shot and bubble cannon at random intervals

it also fires a missile

I'm trying to think what we can add or change about that

I will say, it def doesn't compare to the train in Platypus 1

so perhaps just a second phase is the way to go

[rich remnant]

I like this idea

[ionic stratus]

Another potential idea I have...

If the squid shot is too easy, perhaps we can use the lasership attack

replace it with that

[sly pond]

I second this

[fleet pond]

Good idea

[ionic stratus]

We can probably alter the design then

so it has the lasership turret in its front center

[rich remnant]

Agreed

Another cool idea would be to make that small turret fire a green squid shot instead

Maybe on harder difficulties

And making the sprite turn horizontally depending on the side it's facing towards

[ionic stratus]

you mean in addition to the lasershot?

that might be a good idea actually

[rich remnant]

Instead of the single lasershot

But maybe aside from the double laser shot... tho thar might make it too hard

I think the boss had other attacks too, right?

[fleet pond]

It had many attacks actually

Missiles and Bubble Cannon too

With a double laser shot from the eye, plus the element of surprise spawn itself

[rich remnant]

Oh ye that's a lot

Maybe taking turns between attacks would be nice

As for the quick spawn, luckily we got the warning sound now

[ionic stratus]

I have another idea

[fleet pond]

Oh yes

[ionic stratus]

based on what Makyuni said

[fleet pond]

The sfx should def be used for it

[ionic stratus]

what if every time it goes through a damaged state, it changes its attack?

[fleet pond]

Overkill for a very 1st boss, no?

[ionic stratus]

so it starts with lasershot + squid shots, then after that it moves to bubble attcks

[ionic stratus]

I think if we just split the already existing attacks to multiple phases, it wouldn't be overwhelming

think of it like the train boss in platypus 1 but as a submarine

something like that

[fleet pond]

I see

[ionic stratus]

and maybe we leave missiles to the final phase

or still keep it for the first phase

I'll illustrate what I have in mind

[rich remnant]

Maybe the lasershot could be kept for a second half of phases (?

The double lasershot, I mean

[ionic stratus]

I'm not sure if I understand

like maybe after it goes beyond a damage state?

is that what you mean?

So lets say it start somewhat like this

as an example

then you destroy the top part

Under that there's a bubble cannon

that's what I meant essentially

and maybe after this, the submarine which was controlling the sea serpent comes out, and that's phase 3

potentially

[rich remnant]

I'd say something like that but not that extreme lol

Damage-wise

[fleet pond]

I dunno about popping the entire head

[ionic stratus]

Fair lol

[rich remnant]

Basically the bubblegun would still be on top of the head, but maybe with a cap or sth

Either the cap gets destroyed, or simply becomes active after a few damage phases

[rich remnant]

I like this tho tbh

[ionic stratus]

maybe we can keep the boss as originally it was

but every time an attack gets removed instead

so you damage the front part, laser/squid guns become inactive

you damage the top, the bubble cannon becomes inactive

and after that it moves to the submarine phase

Not sure if that's arbitary or not, just another idea

[fleet pond]

This makes it easier than it is I think

It's not a hard boss originally

[ionic stratus]

That's true

[fleet pond]

One noticeable thing though in Platypus 2 is it seems even the bosses HP are nerfed compared to OG Platypus bosses

You can wipe them much quicker

So we can consider buffing HP for the bosses for sure

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, perhaps

the movement could probably also be faster

it going up and down

[fleet pond]

Yeah, the pace of the game is also slower

They really nerfed everything lol

Even player rockets

[ionic stratus]

Yeah...

I remember the game being very easy

compared to p1

[fleet pond]

But hey, Sonic Pulse is better xd

[ionic stratus]

yeah the sonic pulse in p2 I def like a lot more

even compared to reclayed

I think they could've taken some inspiration there

[rich remnant]

Except level 5

[ionic stratus]

You know, I'm not sure if I actually played level 5 back in the day

I think I played the freeware version

[rich remnant]

Level 5 on hard is...

I wouldn't say nasty, but I had a hard time beating it

I left that level untested before releasing UaFoe 1.0

[fleet pond]

And sometimes it crashes before loading lol

[rich remnant]

And I think I beat it before releasing 2.0

[fleet pond]

I hated having a good ammount of credits to play level 5 only to lose them all, cuz the game has spaghetti code

[rich remnant]

No idea why that happens 💀
I think it never happened to me, but it's probably since I test levels on different runs

[fleet pond]

Also losing the high score 💀

[ionic stratus]

ooof how does that happen lol

[fleet pond]

No clue, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And many players have experienced this.

[umbral ridge]

Green is that boss gonna have more turrets when playing on Expert and Nasty?

which would be evil when trying to dodge the bubble

also the bottom side cannot be damaged i think in the original platypus 2

so that part will be damageable like with Super Spinner

idk what will happen if the bottom side is destroyed

[strange summit]

tbh, I don't really want to make Shockwave have more work, as they already are working on the sprites

but

maybe making it wiggle like these would be nice

[ionic stratus]

Hmm, that could actually be interesting

if it had some sort of wobbling animation

[sly pond]

I could try implementing that sort of animation.

[fleet pond]

So the boss will have 2 phases?

[sly pond]

Most likely.

[last ivy]

I don't know, but since Platypus II has 5 levels and it's getting reclayed, what if there's an extension after level 5? You know, Platypus Reclayed Vibe. Basically, you need a higher difficulty to get into a new level.

[clear snow]

Level 5 would be in Space, which would be a transition to the alien planet.

The original Platypus 2 felt jarring without the transition.

[umbral ridge]

yeah as they go to a location where the terrain started to be infected by aliens

it's quite jarring u said so having a 6th level being alien makes more sense

as level 5 turned into NUX

Nux like space level

and also Hannah since on easy the player starts with 3 hearts? well on all difficulties the player starts with 3 hearts ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ regardless of difficulty as there's 3 ships so they'll have different amounts of health

like wyvern will have the same 3 hearts as platypus ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ but will take double damage so getting hit by a bullet will ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ --> ❤️ 🖤 🖤

and since the shield exists on Reclayed and a shield powerup in Platypus 2 picking up a shield in 2 Reclayed will give a shield point instead of invincibility so goes like this ❤️ ❤️ ❤️🛡️

so like on Nasty difficulty always 3 hearts, expert 3 hearts on regular 3 hearts

by the way Hannah it's possible to enter level 6 even on easy difficulty tho u don't get bonus points with credits and lives

[rich remnant]

Unfortunately we can't have separated lives from "shield"
They use the same sprite

Also you can't get an "extra heart/extra shield" from a power-up sadly

At least not right now

[static copper]

personally i don't like how live are in plat2

i think is better how reclayed has it

[clear snow]

Shields would just stay the same as it was, just use Reclayed's shield system.

[umbral ridge]

well hoping we'll add a shield point on a update or addon

and also the shield powerup will still be a temporary powerup still invincibility

[umbral ridge]

yeah bc the shield will be used on all ships not just plovers

[full apex]

platypus ship uses powerups as it's shield

[rich remnant]

can't...

[static copper]

i think we should clear what are exactly the limits of moddings

likes most of of stuff that has to do with powerups

theoretically we can add unique powerup gimmicks, but we do have to replace one of the existing ones

tho i guess people can live without sausage

also can't really modify much of the player itself when in game

[sly pond]

Ah yes, the most elusive weapon in the base game. :p

[last ivy]

@static copper Only thing we could do is wait the Dev response, because yknow, probably Claymatic Team will change their mind saying "Adding Custom Ship Stats/Power-ups is Complex"

Which is uhh, kinda pointless because on Platypus: Winter Mission DLC has a new power-up called "Snowball"

[sly pond]

Snowball replaces Onigiri in that DLC.

[static copper]

Don't get your hopes up

As the time goes less and less people will work in this game
Since is basically finished

And reworking and changing the whole powerup system might not seem viable

[last ivy]

:(

[sly pond]

Also, there sadly aren't that many modders that are highly active.

[static copper]

Having all the food slots to replace with unique powerups
Should suffice atleast

[umbral ridge]

Like 😒 creating the 3 weapon types can really complex for them

Especially when creating custom guns like having Astrobatics like gunfire

[strange summit]

it's more like rewriting something really hard-coded that could break the game if broken by accident

[umbral ridge]

Yeah it will probably ruin the experience

It will probably take a long time for that type of gunfire and ship can be modded

[strange summit]

yes, and most importantly, it's risky for the code

[umbral ridge]

Something like this can take a very long time to make it even possible to mod the basic gun

Of course it will be incompatible with all power ups when using such custom guns

Even pods!

it will be broken if the pods will have the same as the custom gun

It will seriously obliterate a lot of minor targets

And very dangerous for minefields

With that many bullets and unable to use boxing gloves it will likely shoot the landmines

[strange summit]

exactly

[umbral ridge]

If a power up is picked up while using a custom gun it will probably crash

Unlike other Shumps picking up power ups will upgrade the base gun

[rich remnant]

@sly pond (sorry for the inactivity, been busy and a bit uninspired)
still want me to work on the design of ShieldTick, or would you like to work on it yourself now that you've learnt some blender?

I'm fine with whatever, but I wanted to ask just in case

[sly pond]

Honestly, I wanna see how you do it tho.

[rich remnant]

Sounds good to me :3
I'll give it a try as soon as I'm able to, I promise 👍

[static copper]

the worm is here

[rich remnant]

funny how I mentioned this in Casinopolis chat before checking this channel xD

nice

[solemn epoch]

level 3 is going to be cool👀

[last ivy]

Time to hate the Fire Breathing Snek

[clear snow]

The level backgrounds aren't worked on, right?

We're still working on the enemies.

[rich remnant]

I think level 1, 3 and 5's background stuff were being worked on already

There's a little bit of level 2 stuff too, but overall those 3 I mentioned were more advanced

[clear snow]

As for Level 4, just reuse most of the sprites from Level 1 and Level 4!

And have we talked about adding a Space level again? There needs to be a transition, since it was a jarring transition to the Alien Planet!

just like how Platypus Reclayed had Level 5: Inside the Machine, since Level 4: Within Colossatropolis was a transition to the heart of the enemy

Anyways, the Space level would be in Level 5, featuring those alien enemies and Level 6 would be the Alien Planet.

[solemn epoch]

oh yeah that's reminds me of the flowers in level 4

[solemn epoch]

someone should make the tiny flowers ( i ran out of plasticines )

[sly pond]

New worm damage behavior.

[sly pond]

Hehehe. >:3

[ionic stratus]

Segmented enemies are real!

[static copper]

boss 3 that one worm or whatever closer than you think

-# and that one level 5 enemy too i guess

[ionic stratus]

Updated the entry for boss 3 with "WIP code" on the to do list, both you Tar tary and Psychosquid are credited.

I'll do so for the level 5 enemy as well

[static copper]

i wonder if there room for a new worm enemy

like a mini worm of sorts

kinda like foreshadowing for the big worm in level 3

[ionic stratus]

I wouldn't be opposed to it

I think there's a lot of potential for multi segmented enemies

but yeah, only if it fits ofc

[static copper]

that should be all important enemies tackled i think

as in problematic to make

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, I suppose so

that's great!

probably only leaves bosses now in terms of complicated behaviors

[static copper]

in which boss 3 and 2 are basically covered already

and boss 4 b

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, true

have we covered boss 2?

I guess it could technically use the worm behavior actually

[static copper]

it says there code of makyuni

[ionic stratus]

I see...

don't recall if that code was actually shown here lol (there's also no link)

maybe I missed it

I feel like I wouldn't though, since it's a fairly big thing

[ionic stratus]

But yeah, if code wasn't done for it, we can probably do this

or at least try

[static copper]

i'm not sure if the worm code as is it can work with boss 2

the worm code all it does it delay velocity to it body, example it give a segment it velocity it had like 1 second ago and more delay per segment

boss 2 already starts fully extended

[ionic stratus]

Ah, I see what you mean

that means boss 2 won't be able to use the set movements patterns it has

I mean, maybe it can still work as a foundation

but yeah it'd def need to be adjusted

[static copper]

i think you are overcomplicating it

[ionic stratus]

Lol maybe

I am not a programmer after all

[static copper]

i think all we have to care with boss 2 is it head detachment

[ionic stratus]

Fair enough, that makes sense

[sly pond]

Okay, 46 more messages before the thread hits 10k messages.

[clear snow]

What is this line of Fish Fighters for? Is it for the Fire Snake boss at level 3?

[sly pond]

No, those are placeholders for the serpent bosses. ;p

[clear snow]

I guess so.

[sly pond]

I found a problem wherein segment collision is totally disabled when at its destroyed state.

Segments are supposed to still have hitboxes even when destroyed.

[sly pond]

No matter what I do, this issue keeps on persisting, BRUH!

[clear snow]

What now?

[sly pond]

Okay, after some trial by fire, I finally fixed the issue.

AT LAST!

[strange summit]

very impressive

[sly pond]

Gameplay footage without the above-mentioned issues.

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[sly pond]

Alright, with the foundational code set in stone, we shall start a discussion regarding what changes we would want to apply to serpents.

[strange summit]

I like how seamless this one is, comapred to the first version

not to mention the turning

👌 👩‍🍳

[strange summit]

I wonder, would it require changing a lot to make the worm stationary, like a tentacle?

[sly pond]

It would be quite a lot, I think.

[strange summit]

okay

also, I like the fact that the destroyed segments don't shoot

[strange summit]

have you made a code for a tail? (aka a different sprite for the last segment)

[sly pond]

Not yet.

[strange summit]

and what about the head?

[sly pond]

The head is already its own entity.

[umbral ridge]

Psycho the issue is that when it's off screen it will attack the player out of surprise so the ship will display ‼️ when the worm attacks the player while the boss off screen

Not to mention the tail on the back fires in a quad make it nearly impossible to dodge if he's moving very unpredictably

So the boss needs to be well nerfed in such a way for Reclayed that he'll be not a "Lives Eater"

tho higher difficulties he'll be a "Lives Eater" Especially when on Expert or Nasty

[sly pond]

It's not that unpredictable TBH.

At least, judging by the current iteration of the serpent behavior.