Platypus 2 Reclayed

[static copper]

tho maybe i can figure a way just using spawned spritesheets

[sly pond]

I feel bad for you getting muted by ClayBot.

[static copper]

it was just 20 minutes, is really nothing

[sly pond]

Good for you.

Also, I noticed that the smoke index for the launched icbm has a shitton of ifs.

[static copper]

oh 1 thing, the smoke released by the background entity renders in layer 1

i still need to get a fix for that

[sly pond]

Do you think this warrants a Lua-fied smoke trail?

[static copper]

i think it should be easy if you put, default layer to 5 into the a smoke entity

[solemn epoch]

I'll probably upload my terrain sprites later from my Proton Drive (if i can log in lmao)

[static copper]

also i see you have been using arrays too for the jumper

anyways this are all the 4 entities

i accidentally slip some icmm entries

[latent geyser]

Oops, I was AFK 🥲

[sly pond]

BTW, I managed to merge the launcher decoy with the actual launcher entity.

[strange summit]

All sprites done, here's a mockup

I adjusted the light

[static copper]

eye spins too

also the tendrils looks a bit disconected from the eye

[strange summit]

the eye will be able to spin, like a turret

[strange summit]

that's a side effect of giving the eye the ability to spin freely

[static copper]

a moving eye kinda would look a bit awkward with the tendrils, as it would look back onto it tendril

[sly pond]

They're alien, so...

[strange summit]

-# tbh, let's not expect a flying eye with tendrills to look not awkward/strange

[static copper]

i think there a difference between an design looking akward design wise, and creature wise

[ionic stratus]

I like it a lot!

Aesthetically it's pretty similar

[sly pond]

I see your point.

[ionic stratus]

there are probably some improvements that could be made though

I agree with Tar tary overall

we may have to give up on the eyes tracking idea, at least specifically for this enemy

and just have it animate like the original

[strange summit]

but what if

I can slightly alter the eye's turning animation

so it doesn't fully look back

[static copper]

or maybe once we have sprite rotations, rotate the tendrils too

[ionic stratus]

Hmm perhaps

Rotating the tendrills idk

[sly pond]

The rotating sprite function isn't even out yet.

[ionic stratus]

I feel like the tendrills are there to illustrate to the player where the eyeballs are headed

[sly pond]

Agreed

[ionic stratus]

if the tendrills rotated as well it could seem like the eyeball is going backwards

[strange summit]

then the tendrills would be displayed differently, on top of the eye sprite, getting the better connection effect

[sly pond]

Lowkey jarring if you ask me.

[ionic stratus]

Maybe some transparency could help with that too

I also noticed in the original the eyeball is slightly transparent as well

and you can actually see some of the red tendrills inside it

[strange summit]

it already is, only the shape needs to be polished

[ionic stratus]

Ahhh fair enough

[static copper]

does the original engine could handle semi transparency?

[sly pond]

It never does.

[ionic stratus]

oh maybe ingame it doesn't appear transparent then?

[sly pond]

Just like how this emoji isn't actually semi-transparent.

[static copper]

reclayed does handle semi transparency

[sly pond]

It indeed does.

[strange summit]

it's just pinkish imo

[ionic stratus]

It's more like the inside of it is transparent though

[static copper]

i think is just the tendrils are just ontop of the eye

[sly pond]

Seems like it.

[ionic stratus]

Perhaps ye

[strange summit]

anyways, imma do a slight rework of the eye, altering it's view angle, fixing the tendrills to be on top.
Before I get some rest, here you have a balloon that's less green, fixed light too.

[ionic stratus]

Looks great!

[sly pond]

Likewise

[ionic stratus]

Goodnight 👋

[umbral ridge]

@sly pond @ionic stratus wait about those sfx, since the eye and the brain mother phase 2 makes sounds when taking damage, the worst is that a real girl screams on the eye 😭 it's horrible

just hoping it will be alien like for those sounds on the 2 enemies

Especially that eye so other people won't hear a girl getting tortured when using speakers

[sly pond]

I know how to implement the alien scream on hurt. :3

Wait, actually, what if I make an add-on where the bullet hit sound gets replaced by an eyescream?

-# No guarantees will I ever do that though.

[umbral ridge]

Yeah original ones will be as a add-on

[rich remnant]

idea: maybe the eye should rotate very slightly, on the X axis
and with some lua stuff maybe the tendrils could be slightly moved, also in the X axis, to simulate some rotation

I think it might work out and not look too weird (tho a bit weird is fine, since it's a damn flying spinning eye)

[rich remnant]

well I personally think the scream should be kept and there could be an add-on that replaces it with sth else

but removing the scream would take away a bit of the essence, imo

[solemn epoch]

there is a planned replacement for the screaming audio i think (?)

i remember someone sending it here

[rich remnant]

well, as long as it is a scream ig fair enough

I really want to call the enemy Eyescream

[static copper]

see it as a quality of life

for your ears

[solemn epoch]

also for Eb0y's speakers

[static copper]

thanksfully we can always re adjust the sounds volume in audio json

[rich remnant]

crazy how people aren't complaining about the creepy baby noises on Knucklebusters, but they care about the eye with a super low-quality stock girl scream

[solemn epoch]

there is????

[rich remnant]

I'm sorry for giving you this knowledge

once you hear it you won't unhear it

[sly pond]

From the first half of Knucklebusters I assume.

As the music builds up.

[rich remnant]

ye, pretty sure
I think it was left in-game tho

for Platypus Reclayed, that is

not P2

[solemn epoch]

imma gonna pretend it was a very sick guitar riff or something

[rich remnant]

Kinda sounds like wood creaking or sth like that too, so ig you can pretend that to cope with it xD

[sly pond]

Don't even get us started with a man randomly saying stuff during the first half of the music.

[rich remnant]

true!

[static copper]

stuff i miss for playing muted

[rich remnant]

Knucklebusters is a banger full of random chaos

love it

[rich remnant]

You WHAT? 👁️ 👄 👁️

/j

[sly pond]

I remember you claimed to have terrible audio output on your PC or smth.

IIRC

[rich remnant]

oh fair nuf then

[static copper]

yeah, i recently got some headphones, but i mostly use it for my phone

[rich remnant]

you should play Platypus 2, you won't tell the difference

[sly pond]

I see.

If only Platypus 2 is as optimized as Hamsterball.
-# Any Raptisoft game is actually optimized as hell.

[rich remnant]

(game audio kinda... sucks sadly)

[sly pond]

||Mono audio output||

[rich remnant]

I dived into the 3DMAX files and holy crap
He had like 5 different versions of each race, each with more and more optimizations

[rich remnant]

like
why

[solemn epoch]

someone turned the audio to 100 and 0 at studio💔

i did set the 18min+ version of Knucklebusters in P2 and probably didnt noticed it cuz the awful audio output

[rich remnant]

ye the mono audio probably doesn't help either

a lot of things can go missing on such low quality audio

happens in Platypus 1 too. Ocean Loader has always been amazing, but sheesh, I didn't notice those choirs until I heard the HQ version

ofc I ascended when I did that

[sly pond]

Hmmm, what if we have an original minor enemy that shoots a quick burst of lightning beam?

I imagine the code for it would be manageable.

[rich remnant]

Bomber with a new, fresh coat of paint ☠️
(thanks Psychosquid for the lua)

[sly pond]

Love the skull prints on the bomber.

[rich remnant]

Thanks a lot! :D
I'm sure it was inspired by someone else's design, but I can't recall rn
I got the hunch that it was @karmic oasis 's, maybe (?

[sly pond]

I think it is.

[rich remnant]

#🎨┃platypus-art message

yup!

so yeah, maybe they should be credited too
I rlly loved that design

[sly pond]

Original redesign concept by LightandDark

[rich remnant]

I kinda just took inspiration from the bomb balloon too

[sly pond]

Also, did you use the cut jolly roger skull symbol Tar made for us?

[rich remnant]

I was aware of its existence, but nope

I cut the skull myself, from the balloon

cus' I'm a psychopath

[sly pond]

You indeed are a vicious psychopath
-# Speaking from an actual psychopatick squid.

[rich remnant]

huehue >:3

ok I'm a bit of a boomer, but I thiiink if I did everything correctly, you all will see me pushing the changes on github

ofc feel free to make any corrections on my work, just lmk beforehand
specially code-wise, looking at you Psyschosquid! I know you have a big EYE for details ;)

[sly pond]

My pleasure. :3

Also, have you noticed my GitHub PFP?

My eye glows faintly...

[rich remnant]

ngl I rlly like how it looks :0
looks more Psycho hehe

[solemn epoch]

wait where is it actually? i been listening to knucklebuster (the 9 mins ver on steam) like 5 times

[rich remnant]

Idk about the steam OST version but I'm super sure I heard it in-game

[sly pond]

The first minute or two

[rich remnant]

ye it's like

close to the beginning I'm pretty sure

[sly pond]

Steam OST is identical to in-game in Reclayed.

[rich remnant]

oh sorry, I probably thought otherwise because of that one complaint from someone who said it was different

but I think they meant that it was lacking Ocean Loader or sth (rightfully not included, ofc)

[full apex]

Eye of Cthulhu

[sly pond]

Alright, I think I'm in love with GitHub as of late.

I can view the codes comfortably on mobile, and I can edit them on mobile too if I want to.

OFC, PC is still generally more favorable.

[umbral ridge]

And platypus 2 players who uses speakers

Since nobody wants to hear someone in the house of a girl getting tortured

[sly pond]

Let me know if you already uploaded all the changes with the bomber.

[ionic stratus]

Great work!
Besides the skulls replacing the turrets I love the fact that you even managed to add degration points!

Since the og sprite doesn't have them for that stage

[strange summit]

eviiil!

[bronze venture]

What if the Bomber accidentally dropped a Hiroshima...

[strange summit]

"accidentally"

[somber knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1261539092949110797/1472800500121469131/ezgif-adamcometflatypus.png

[bronze venture]

LOL Mink Purist meme 🤣

[cobalt sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[last ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-of-cthulu-my-honest-reaction-terraria-eye-gif-8476344856084655441

[sly pond]

I just realized that Platypus 2 has those tentacled eyes before Terraria.

[solemn epoch]

rare platypus 2 things that could be congratulated

[sly pond]

The spawn range command argument Tar tary had alluded to will definitely be used extensively for sure, to give the launched missiles randomized spawns.

As for speed arguments, which dictate the direction the missile will go, this is why I made a poll so people can conveniently decide if we want the missiles to go on one particular direction like they do in the original, or spawn in multiple directions.

[solemn epoch]

just found out this was cropped, already edited in the edges though 💀

[fleet pond]

@sly pond I see you have uploaded placeholders for the ICBM sprites. The current ones we have are the vertical standing one and one with the diagonal direction like in Platypus 2 and damage sprites. If we're going to have different directions for the ICBM, I assume the current sprites can't achieve that objective?

Perhaps a similar sprite to Tar Tari's, but with geio's artwork will need to be created.

[sly pond]

Seems like the logical option.

Unless we care about proper lighting, IG it is all a matter of simply plotting the rotated sprites of geio's in a sprite sheet.

[fleet pond]

Alright, added a bunch of enemies sprites to the GitHub.

[sly pond]

Also, let's be real here...

The sprites containing reused assets in Platypus 2 probably didn't really give a damn about proper lighting anyway.

[fleet pond]

True, lol.

I'll upload the current ones for future work.

[sly pond]

About the bosses, they probably should have their own folder the same way as Reclayed boss sprites do.

[fleet pond]

Oh, right.

I'll change it.

[sly pond]

Alright, so I renamed the ICBM (standing) to icbm background, and fsr, it changed to placeholder sprite.

Oh wait, nvm.

IG sprites take time to update.

[rich remnant]

Thanks a lot! :D

[rich remnant]

I think I forgot to push the changes

gonna do it rn

[sly pond]

Ah, it's okay.

[sly pond]

I noticed in the video that because it now supports damage frames, I reckon the Lua script has been updated in your end.

[rich remnant]

yup! that's right

I modified a few parameters too, since otherwise the bomb would spawn in front of the bomber too early

[sly pond]

That's nice.

I assume the animation entry has been modified too.

[rich remnant]

ty! :D
Either way it's recommended that you check in case I broke sth 😂

[rich remnant]

ye, the spritesheet is different

and for animation code-wise I did almost the same as I did with Lua Flipplane

[rich remnant]

should be up now, methinks 👍

hopefully 🙏

[rich remnant]

Just uploaded an early WIP of Boss 2 (Caterpillar) code

I ran into a lot of issues, but hopefully someone can take off from the base I created

as for the sprite, I'm still thinking of a redesign. Gimme some time 👍

[sly pond]

I don't see your changes on GitHub.

Yet...

[sly pond]

Unless I got the wrong impression, I think you keep on forgetting to press the commit button.

In GitHub, any change being made will need a confirmation before pushing them in.

[rich remnant]

maybe it wasn't accepted yet, then
but I'll check 👍

it says Boss 2 thingy commited 2 hours ago

so ig it just needs confirmation, then

btw @sly pond , have you made a lua Gunship already, or not yet?

[sly pond]

Not yet.

Though I wonder if Gunships would warrant a Lua replica.

[fleet pond]

They just need the turret to be changed for each, iirc.

Very straightforward.

[sly pond]

Their turrets are thankfully softcoded, unlike the flipping flip plane.

[rich remnant]

is the smoke trail softcoded, tho?

[sly pond]

Apparently not.

[fleet pond]

Even though the fruit drops and explosion are hardcoded for those it shouldn't matter in this particular case.

Oh and smoke trail as well, yeah.

[rich remnant]

well, I never said I was gonna use the code for Gunships 😏

so ye, imo it'd be useful

[fleet pond]

Fair enough.

[sly pond]

Gunships have a similar Y movement as saucers.

However, some tweaks would be needed whenever necessary.

[rich remnant]

I also used lua saucer movement for boss 2
with some tweaks, ofc

[sly pond]

I already saw your changes on git.

I see that frames 5 and 6 are duplicates of each other.

[rich remnant]

yup
I ran into some issues, code-wise, so if that can be fixed, it'd be great!

either way it doesn't pose much of a problem, since it keeps the spritesheet even

only thing is that the first damage frame lasts a bit longer, I think

[sly pond]

I assume frame 5 marks the beginning of its damage frame.

I think you can make an in-between frame of frames 7 and 8.

[rich remnant]

It might be a bit hard to notice such transition, but I'll see what I can do 👍

.

in the meantime...

👁️

(obviously WIP behaviour, but a good start ig)

I might make the sprite bigger in the future + some additional thingies to keep my eye on

[sly pond]

You can use BigYellowUn.lua as a base for the eyescream code.

It can be found on GitHub.

Also eyescream rhymes with ice cream. >w<

[rich remnant]

that's the idea ;)

[rich remnant]

maybe will do in the future 👍
for now ig I'll just share the graphics here

[fleet pond]

First Level 5 enemy coming to life!

Nice

[rich remnant]

I'll push changes on Git once we got sth more solid

[rich remnant]

Thank yo! :D
I'm happy to see it moving forward!

[sly pond]

I see that the eyeball isn't made in Lua.

[rich remnant]

yup

it was mostly a showcase of the sprite

I'm honestly a bit burnt by lua because of the Caterpillar Boss 🥹

[sly pond]

You got exhausted making a Lua code for Giant Caterpillar. :3

[fleet pond]

Nuxless version of the eye enemy feels so obvious to me

[sly pond]

Anyhow, it okeh maki.

[rich remnant]

snek boss head redesign!
this blender stuff is kinda fun hehe

[bronze venture]

NO WAY!

[umbral ridge]

It doesn't sync really lame 😒

In the original if the eye finishing blinking then it will fire the bullet

[sly pond]

Obviously, they are work in progress.

Don't expect our works to be perfect from the get go.

[sly pond]

I could imagine the eye would take reduced damage whenever its eye is closed.

Something like that could foreshadow the only way to damage the final phase of Mother Brain.

The Lua script for it would be something along the lines of...

function OnTick()
    if eyeTimer <= 0 then
        if closed == false then
            self.hitPoints = self.hitPoints * 10
            eyeTimer = 60
            closed = true
        else
            self.hitPoints = self.hitPoints / 10
            eyeTimer = 60
            closed = false
        end
    end
end

[rich remnant]

It could also take no damage at all when closed 👀

[rich remnant]

This

Oh my, I was nice enough not to put the scream in there, and I still got hate 😂
Next time I'll put the scream in the video 😈

[last ivy]

I can't wait to see this in full version...

Even though I can't play it because I don't have any pc...

[static copper]

is there any, domeship sprite there?

because i'm trying one

[solemn epoch]

i could try making one

anyways, can we add make the bullet shoot 3 times like this in nasty mode?

[static copper]

so pink squid

[sly pond]

Or Auto Starfish for that matter. :3

[sly pond]

Yeah, IDK why some people forget the obvious, in which case is the current state of the entity being worked on.

[rich remnant]

@ionic stratus was working on one long ago, so ig it's better you discuss with them first

It's lookin dope so far tho

[sly pond]

That way, we won't waste our own time.

[solemn epoch]

as a difference, make it shoot 10 5 times

[bronze venture]

@rich remnant, @sly pond, Have a kookie for snacc

[sly pond]

Tnx

[sly pond]

Could this be the SFX for the bomber dropping the mine?

[static copper]

i think some of the sprite order got messed up, but my head hurts so yeah

[sly pond]

Yeah, I can tell that some rows of frames are not in the correct order.

[static copper]

1 hours manually cropping, erasing and coloring each frame

[sly pond]

I feel you, but splendid work anyhow.

[static copper]

frame 52 was specially screwed up

[sly pond]

Damn

[solemn epoch]

i just finished too lmao

[sly pond]

Man, I hope you two don't feel like you wasted your own time.

[solemn epoch]

idk how to color them in a correct colours tho

[static copper]

i actually, cropped each frame into their own file and then exported them into different layers the put a filter layer over it

then re made the sprite sheet

[sly pond]

I feel like it's worth sending the barrelless turret singles here in this thread as a zipped file just in case. :3

[sly pond]

This is how its rotation looks like.
-# Forgive me if I disturb your sleep.

Don't mind the fact that the video showcased here is a WIP gatling gun rework for an enemy in Platypus Casinopolis. :3

[solemn epoch]

lmao thats probably how mine looks too

[sly pond]

The texture flashes?

[solemn epoch]

imma compress my files first cuz it got hit by discord's limit

[sly pond]

Damn

[static copper]

What if instead we use a 3d model

[sly pond]

I fixed not only the code of the bomber, but also its sprite sheet layout.

[sly pond]

Hope we have a good consensus around that.

Anyway, this is how the bomber's updated sprite sheet looks like.
-# And it's already uploaded in GitHub.

[karmic oasis]

Peak Redesign

[sly pond]

To anyone else, do y'all agree that domeships warrant a 3D model for more consistent sprite animations?

[static copper]

You know i can work on the model too, since i already have a template from other works

[sly pond]

You can do that too.

[sly pond]

Either way, I already listed your reservation for the domeship visual rework. :D

[static copper]

Cool

[sly pond]

Heya @strange summit, what other 3D models would you want to make for the project?

Worth noting that Tar already delegated the domeship 3D redesign to themselves.

[strange summit]

Well,
so far I've made a fang and virus too

[strange summit]

well, which ones would you suggest me to make?

[sly pond]

And yes, we are also asking for a consensus as to whether it is worth letting Tar tary remake the domeships in Blender or not.

[sly pond]

A bug would be cool.

[strange summit]

why not?

[sly pond]

With regards to reservations, bugs, worms, and chickens are reserved by nobody.

[solemn epoch]

how about that weird platypus pimple thigamajig

[strange summit]

not certain about that one, made me nearly throw up when I saw it

[solemn epoch]

the forbidden bubble wrap thing

[sly pond]

Is it the background entity that releases viruses?

[solemn epoch]

yeah that one

[sly pond]

Are you now able to send the sprite sheet?

[solemn epoch]

im trying but the internet is so garbage

i'll tag you when i did and link it

[strange summit]

can I reserve worm and rollship?

[sly pond]

Let's wait what others will say.

[sly pond]

Cool

Welp, it's nice that you took the initiative modeling the worm, as literally no one else had reserved it for themselves.

[strange summit]

Thanks

[solemn epoch]

https://drive.proton.me/urls/Y8WECNWH4G#IKUnFrNTpxzb - i just uploaded the barrel less turret in here @sly pond

[strange summit]

Could yu upload the Rollship sprites please? I currently don't have access to them

as I'm at work rn

[bronze venture]

hOh... I'M BAACCCKKK!!!

[bronze venture]

berd....

[strange summit]

Thankies!

[strange summit]

should make the tail spin like squid bottom or animate a proper wiggle?

(it seems in Platypus II, those things actually spin)

[sly pond]

BTW, some Platypus 2 enemies have animated sprites in the Claymatic Wiki.

[strange summit]

oo

[sly pond]

https://claymatic.wiki/wiki/Platypus_II#Enemies

[azure raft]

This isn't a chicken, it's just a purple thing

[sly pond]

IKR?

But the thing is, the game files refer to them as Chickens, so yeah...

[sly pond]

Forgot to confirm to you that they kinda spin.

[last ivy]

Angry Birds Approve This Design

[strange summit]

-# I've changed the design slightly, as the original was looking kinda bad imo when rolling (the engine was squashed on sides, the wings were not symmetrical)

[last ivy]

Wait, it does?

[strange summit]

https://static.wikitide.net/claymaticwiki/c/c6/Platypus2rollship.gif

gif from Claymatic Wiki

[last ivy]

Dang, I didn't realize 💔

[strange summit]

me neither, until I looked closely

the engine is shaped like USB-C port

[sly pond]

They function similarly to Rays, but shoot pellets to the left.

[strange summit]

yup

so they gotta spin with fluidity, ya?

[sly pond]

You can see the gameplay of them for yourself by watching the fifth level from the playlist.

[sly pond]

For sure. :3

[strange summit]

I've read your description on the wiki

[sly pond]

Nice.

[strange summit]

ngl, it's fun remaking the sprites for this project!

btw, can I try giving my own spin to the "bug" alien?

[sly pond]

If it isn't that complex, then sure, give it a try. :D

Though you'll probably have to make a more faithful version of it as well.

Trust the process geio. :3

Anyway, do you think should I cut the outer ring of the domeship?

[solemn epoch]

did you test the spinning animation first? cuz i havent

[sly pond]

One moment.

[solemn epoch]

to be honest, i dunno, it would be much more tedious tho

[sly pond]

Yeah...

[sly pond]

TBH, I think domeships do indeed warrant their own 3D renders.

[sly pond]

Anyway, I think in terms of visual bugs, geio's take ended up looking somewhat better than Tar's original rendition, but still looking kinda janky as heck.

[umbral ridge]

@sly pond @static copper okay i'm gonna be scared what if those domeships are armed with firearms and started to gunfire at me

which might happen on Expert and Nasty

where certain passive enemies were armed

[sly pond]

We don't even have any plans on what to do with the domeships for higher difficulties.

At least, not yet...

[umbral ridge]

if the guns were possible for them then i'll be scared if i play on expert and nasty almost like the ufos almost

[sly pond]

Now curious about the spin you were talking about.

[solemn epoch]

looove the creature bird thing

[strange summit]

Maybe I'll make it later

[sly pond]

DuckTheStuck once said:

They're worse than boomerangs!

[strange summit]

called a "bug", being a pterodactyl dino thingy

[sly pond]

@solemn epoch, do you think is it worth refining the 2D sprites of domeships further?

[solemn epoch]

could be used for temporary stuff and as a reference, since 3d modelling might look better 🤔

[sly pond]

Well then, don't forget to vote y'all.

[bronze venture]

Ooo, Alien Bug

NGL, this bug look like pterodactyl

[ionic stratus]

In my version I did remove the outer ring

because it looks too much like the domeship has something attached to it

[sly pond]

I see.

[ionic stratus]

Why do you feel like they need a 3d render?

wouldn't a good photoshop do the job?

or do you have any ideas for it

[sly pond]

It all attributed to a couple of artists struggling with them.

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm

I guess a 3d model would allow us to refine the edges

that's one of the things I remember struggling with as well

[sly pond]

Currently, geio's work, in which I added colors to his, seem to be the least buggiest iteration, GFX wise.

[ionic stratus]

Do you want to check my incomplete version?

I did want to actually finish it

but if it's not any better I guess we should go for a 3d model

and use Geio's version as you say

if we do use a 3d model, perhaps Geio's edit could be used as a texture

and then the outer ring will just cover the edges of the model

[ionic stratus]

On an unrelated note, this looks great

very accurate to the original

[strange summit]

Thankies!

[ionic stratus]

in general your enemy remakes look very good!

but that one especially stands out

[strange summit]

I'm so so glad to hear that!

[solemn epoch]

don't worry thats just for testing the spinning animation and like Psychosquid said, there are no plans yet to make the domeship scarier

[ionic stratus]

I did have an idea of making a variant of domeships that are connected by lightning

idk how feasible that is though

I do think the domeships have some potential for variants, since it's such a simple enemy

[strange summit]

it shall be after the next modding update

[ionic stratus]

Then perhaps I'll look into it then lol

[umbral ridge]

Now as for weapon types and custom base guns

With the upcoming modding framework did you ask the Claymatic team about this modding feature

[strange summit]

quote from the post

[ionic stratus]

Then I guess once we have player weapons support it would be more feasible

[umbral ridge]

@strange summit @ionic stratus I mean I've been dreaming about that not only for those 3 weapon types from platypus 2 but also custom base gun

Like having a platypus ship shooting like Astrobatics

[strange summit]

I have an idea for a custom weapon too, but I gotta wait for the update

[ionic stratus]

I honestly thought the flamethrower could be fun as a powerup

[umbral ridge]

Tho such a gun like that it's incompatible with all weapon stars, and when picking up weapon stars with that gun upgrades it depending on the star it picks up

[umbral ridge]

It will be cooler than fireballs

[ionic stratus]

If we'd consider new weapons for the mod in the future I def think that's an option

[ionic stratus]

I think fireball could stay too

Maybe it could be a star that flips between fireball and flamethrower

similarly to bombs/homing missiles in the vanilla game for example

[umbral ridge]

K

[umbral ridge]

Then what custom base gun?

[strange summit]

Imma keep it a secret for now

[zinc citrus]

Platypus Pachinko Machine

[sly pond]

Domeship spin test...

[rich remnant]

Speen

What if the gray outline doesn't spin?

That way we won't even need a 3D render

I'd honestly keep the spinning yellow front, make the gray outline not spin, and add some spinning thing in the background. Like a starfish gray back or sth similar

Or some sort of fan-looking thing

[fleet pond]

Oh yeah, like Greenness mentioned, domeship variants could definitely be interesting, and design wise likely just recolors for each.

[sly pond]

Also, how do we want the domeship's movement indexes?

[fleet pond]

There are like 3 different uses in Platypus 2, iirc.

• In a line from top with a circling pattern (from right, leaves to the left)
• In a line from below with a circling pattern (from right, leaves to the left)
• Random Spawns (always circling from right and leaving to the left)

[sly pond]

So there are two chain variations, wherein one makes a clockwise loop, while the other goes counterclockwise.

[fleet pond]

Yeah, and then we can adjust if grouped in line or random spawn accordingly in the level files, after having the 2 indexes set.

[sly pond]

With all these in mind, I guess we're going in with a faithful recreation of the domeship's movement index.

[fleet pond]

Yeah, I think respecting the faithfulness of the Platypus 2 enemies is the way to go. Unless, if it is just a plain recolor. That's why I believe the Orange Flip Plane using Flamethrowers and the Blue Horseshoes having a different behaviour (since we will also use the OG red ones) are where originality can thrive. That, and then variants is where we could experiment other ways as well.

Or if the enemy feels unfair/unbalanced/annoying as well, like Boss 3 or the virus.

[sly pond]

Regarding the code for the domeship, we do have a headstart thanks to Tar tary's poker chip behaviour code from Casinopolis.

All it needs is some modifications to fit with the vision of the domeship.

[fleet pond]

Yup, it's a really solid foundation.

[strange summit]

-# if the enemy feels annoying, we know where will it go

[fleet pond]

Well...

The virus is a terrible enemy in every single way, IMO, for example. Design, inplementation, heh.

[strange summit]

yup, g r o s s

[fleet pond]

Yup 🤮

[strange summit]

btw, can we use a different sound for destroying aliens?

[sly pond]

Also, viruses are too similar to green fish behavior wise.

[fleet pond]

Or missile

They home in even more

[strange summit]

the viruses could be used just as a projectile from the aliens

[fleet pond]

If it fits each enemy, it would be good I believe.

[strange summit]

-# it can be a splat, but not THAT JUICY, GROSS, SLIMEY ONE

[fleet pond]

For example, the squish sound for some enemies feels out of place.

Yeah.

[strange summit]

it could be a fish slap-like sound xD

[fleet pond]

That just contributes to the grosseness, indeed, lol.

Oh YEAH

FISH TIME

[fleet pond]

FISH ENEMY WHEN

WE NEED FISH

[bronze venture]

Hai @strange summit, wassup

[sly pond]

Actual fish if I'm not mistaken

[strange summit]

hai!

[sly pond]

Let HYPNOTOAD make that kind of enemy.

[strange summit]

xDD

[fleet pond]

Fish would fit Level 5

No joke, lmao

[bronze venture]

How are you?

[fleet pond]

And it'd be funny to have skeleton fishes in Level 3, due to the lava and such, inspired by Mario, heh. Just my brain randomly suggesting. Lmao.

[strange summit]

it's the Weird Land after all xD

[strange summit]

doing decent, tired, but decent

[fleet pond]

Yup, land of the "SUDDENLY ALIENS, BUY NUX, THANKS", lol.

[strange summit]

EXACTLY XDDDD

[bronze venture]

Oh...

I'm the Angry Pumpkin, nice to see you buddi

[sly pond]

I am thinking the domeships could have configurable circular loop size and movement speed via level command args.

[fleet pond]

Yes, and perhaps adjusted accordingly to difficulty.

Hm, should the domeships have turrets in higher difficulties? They are glorified turretless turrets in design anyway, lol.

[bronze venture]

Good Luck Buddi, I hope you're feeling Best 🫂

[strange summit]

thankies

-# (14.29 FPS), 10 frames

can I send this to GitHub? I have no idea how to remove my previously sent files

so I'm gonna send there the only things that are approved

[fleet pond]

Looks great!

[strange summit]

Thankyu!

[sly pond]

You can delete a file however you want.

[strange summit]

I've spent an hour trying to make it wiggle good

[strange summit]

tried removing my Eyespin ones

[fleet pond]

Feels really cool seeing the aliens RECLAYED.

[sly pond]

It's just that you can only do so one at the time.

[bronze venture]

DAMN, THAT WAS SOO FIRE 🔥🔥🔥

[fleet pond]

You have to commit to deleting the file.

[sly pond]

Push the commit button.

[fleet pond]

Otherwise it wont't remove.
It'll ask for the reason and such as well when removing.

[sly pond]

We can track any user contributions real time.

[strange summit]

oki, done

thankyu

[fleet pond]

Now that I think about it, the bomber is the closest enemy to the nuke dropper from Heavy Weapon.

[sly pond]

LOL

It should be easy from a programmer's standpoint to implement a screenwipe mechanic onto a bomber variant.

In fact, I already made a working screenwipe mechanic for one enemy in Casinopolis beforehand, the Time Bomb.

[strange summit]

Uploaded

[fleet pond]

Oh yes! Nuke Bomber variant is a lock, imo. The skull could be replaced with a yellow radioactive sign, and the ship could probably be green-ish.

[sly pond]

Military green probably.

[fleet pond]

Yap.

[fleet pond]

Damn, nice.

[sly pond]

Tar tary originally made the Time Bomb enemy itself, but its explosion was different to what it is now.

It used to explode in a similar manner to mines, albeit with denser bullet spread and bigger bullets.

[fleet pond]

I see. It's a cool enemy.

[ionic stratus]

Damn, really cool

Like Wolf said, it's really interesting seeing an alien Reclayed

[ionic stratus]

This could def be an interesting idea

especially since Psychosquid has already proven it's possible

I am just wondering how we'd infer to the player that the bomb that's dropped is a nuke

[sly pond]

I'd like to see nuclear ICBMs too. :3

[fleet pond]

Design change for sure.

The bomb would need to be different.

[sly pond]

A blimp text would be useful too.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah perhaps

and like Wolf just said, the bomb should probably look like an actual nuke

You know this would actually be perfect for stage 2, since it's already kind of a desert wasteland

and it has the ICBMs

[fleet pond]

That's brilliant

It also has the trucks and all as well

Just makes sense, yeah

[sly pond]

For sure.

[fleet pond]

Seems to be a sort of wasteland base

[sly pond]

Or, as Heavy Weapon fans call it, Antagonistan.

The 8th/17th mission.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, it's kind of a mix of a bomb testing facility and... egyptian imagery lol

which is an interesting mix when you think about it

[sly pond]

I'm already thinking of something particular, given the context made here.

[fleet pond]

Oh yeah Antagonistan's boss reminds me of Platypus 2 Boss 3.

Speaking of.

[ionic stratus]

I haven't played Heavy Weapon, but taking inspiration from other games is def a imo

[fleet pond]

Yeah, specially when the design is similar.

A sideshooter and a vertical shooter.

And it feels like a homage to those old school style game titles.

So, Greenness, remember how it was discussed in here before how there should be a difficulty which is the most faithful to vanilla Platypus 2. And then higher difficulties start introducing new enemies and variants. I've tought and either Easy or Normal could be the faithful difficulties.

However, since this is a very important detail, perhaps we could run a poll or some method to check people's opinions?

It'll also help our entire level design process across all difficulties.

[ionic stratus]

That's a good idea, yeah

So what do you guys think are our options?

So Wolf you just mentioned easy and normal could be more faithful

[sly pond]

I second this.

[ionic stratus]

besides that, my idea is that we could have an "original" style difficulty that attempts to be faithful to the original in addition to an easy and normal mode that do use the new features

since I assume a lot of people will want to see the new features

but without a high difficulty

[fleet pond]

Yeah and gatekeeping the new enemies to higher skilled players doesn't seem game design friendly, imo.

Specislly a game that is family friendly.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, because no matter the difficulty, you don't want players to miss your work

[sly pond]

The code was simple AF...

[ionic stratus]

I assume it's just a fish that goes in a straight line lol

but I think it works great for what the enemy is

[sly pond]

Ye

[ionic stratus]

Perhaps we could play with it more, but for now I think this is fine

[sly pond]

Likewise, chicken codes are stupidly easy.

Basically reverse worms.

LMFAO

[ionic stratus]

Lol

[fleet pond]

Right, the chicken that doesn't look like a chicken at all.

Damn, the alien names are poor, lol.

Like "Bug".

[strange summit]

a freakin' pterodactyl

[modern fulcrum]

The uuh the fireflies one is hard to code

[modern fulcrum]

They are fireflies

[sly pond]

I beg to dffer actually. :3
-# Regarding the bug code

They are honestly manageable.

[modern fulcrum]

Actually it was pterotycal

But small

[fleet pond]

I feel like that with lua, all aliens are achieveable.

[modern fulcrum]

I think they just swarm from top then goes to left and deactivated

[fleet pond]

The bosses is where coding will probably need a lot more lines, heh, lol.

[fleet pond]

Right, but the game only supports 5 difficulties, hm.

That would mean one to be sacrificed.

If I understood you correctly.

[ionic stratus]

There are probably ways around this

like having a version of the mod that removes one of the difficulties in favor of original mode

but yeah idk about that

[fleet pond]

Feels like too much work.

[ionic stratus]

maybe we should just scrap original mode since makyuni is making their own Platypus 2 mod that is meant to be faithful to the original anyway

[fleet pond]

Because you'd have to manually adjust every enemy in each difficulty and every single level file 😬

Or that.

[ionic stratus]

alright, I think we found our options for the poll

Unless you have another suggestion

[fleet pond]

Well, the mod name is Platypus 2 Reclayed after all. And Reclayed doesn't have a Classic mode within Reclayed's design style, but instead the vanilla Classic style separately.

So Makyuni's mod does indeed complete that counterpart.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah exactly

I guess it just makes the most sense to give up on the classic mode

lol

[fleet pond]

True, I guess we have our answer XD

[ionic stratus]

but since we will have to make sketches of the og levels, perhaps Makyuni could use that for their mod

[fleet pond]

Oh yeah, for sure.

That is a part I was having fun with until I got very busy.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I remember you started something

for level 1

[fleet pond]

Area 1 sketch was fully done.

[ionic stratus]

Oh dang

[fleet pond]

But it was also a bit stressful, because I had to play bits of the level and watch videos where enemies are destroyed so it could be frustrating to miss any in design.

THANKFULLY now though, Greencat has provided us with gameplay videos where you can see every enemy. 😌

[sly pond]

All hail GREENCAT

[ionic stratus]

I thought Geio recorded those

[ionic stratus]

Either way I agree it's really really helpful

[strange summit]

-# little teaser

[sly pond]

geio did the recording, but GREENCAT pinned them since he is a mod.

[solemn epoch]

we got the tiny fatass rotating bird machine yooooo

[fleet pond]

Oh oops, my bad.

[strange summit]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-guy-thats-crazy-woozy-crazy-scientist-gif-8609893263374809391

[fleet pond]

Well massive thanks to geio.

That cut a bunch of the burden.

[ionic stratus]

All hail Geio and Greencat then

[fleet pond]

Yeah

All fish Geio and Greencat.

[fleet pond]

Level 5 in an image, lmao.

[ionic stratus]

We need fish as one of the aliens

so we can finally have a fish enemy

[fleet pond]

Yes, I jokingly mentioned that earlier, lmao.

but I am dead serious

[ionic stratus]

What if you had to input a code and it made all of the aliens fish

like a hidden easter egg

[strange summit]

-# worm answered

[solemn epoch]

retexture casinopolis planned icbm to 3d realistic fish

[strange summit]

xD

[fleet pond]

Pffffff, THAT JUST MAKES ALL SENSE

The Platypus fish fighter is a fish

[solemn epoch]

this looks so good omg

[fleet pond]

So the fish enemy uses that behaviour, lmao.

Level 5 version of the fish fighter.

[ionic stratus]

Maybe instead of Nuxless version we make Fishful version

[strange summit]

[fleet pond]

And instead of the Nux version too.

Just make it all fish.

If there is going to be an invasion, make it a fish invasion from the ocean instead of outside aliens.

Rock solid plot.

[solemn epoch]

the mod director and modders are going all fish 🤯

[ionic stratus]

The fish want revenge for you using them as a weapon in the first game

[fleet pond]

Or for avoiding it, due to it being less viable than other weapons, lol.

[ionic stratus]

True lol

[fleet pond]

Fish no love, Fish attac

[strange summit]

-# 20 FPS, 40 frames, based on Reclayed Ray frames

[ionic stratus]

You're really quick dang

[fleet pond]

God damn

[strange summit]

Thanks! modelling at work while no one's watching paid off

[ionic stratus]

It's great you're able to do that lol

[fleet pond]

Damn, getting paid for modelling Platypus enemies if you think about it. Peak 😎

Seeing the alien ray variant just reinforces my desire for the alien FISH fighter variant now, lol.

[latent geyser]

Zang! - There are some talented modelers in the community

[ionic stratus]

Only thing I notice here is that the back thruster doesn't rotate

but besides that it's perfrct

[latent geyser]

Bonnie and Tar's work have been a pleasure to see

[sly pond]

3D models I presume.

Anyway, I'm currently cooking on the bug behaviour.

The pterodactyl thingies from Platypus 2.

[fleet pond]

We really need to rename some enemies...

😵

[ionic stratus]

Does it really matter lol

maybe it's part of the charm

that the names are stupid

[sly pond]

Just like how goldfishes are colored purple rather than gold.

[fleet pond]

We need purplefishes which are golden now, then.

[ionic stratus]

Lol

[fleet pond]

Nothing is more charming than an Un(s)

Maybe fish, but that's different. That's more of a badass feel.

[ionic stratus]

Uns is interesting, because I don't know what it means lol

[strange summit]

CRAP

the thruster was rushed, I forgot to assign it to the vertex group

[fleet pond]

It means love, it means life, it means BIG BOI.

[ionic stratus]

I see, maybe you can look into that later lol

that's really only a nitpick though

[static copper]

I think is just a funny way to say big one

[strange summit]

I will of course

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, possibly

that makes sense

[ionic stratus]

Un is love, Un is life

[fleet pond]

BigUns, almost feels like big guns, but those big gentle bois carry anything but weaponry, lmao.

Speaking of...

I once tested an Un which drops bullets once destroyed, I believe an enemy with this detail could be interesting.

Bullets like when a bomb is destroyed.

[strange summit]

Make it an alien

[solemn epoch]

the hanging thingy in level 5 could use that in nasty mode

[strange summit]

and the bombs are repurposed viruses

[sly pond]

Can confirm.

[solemn epoch]

insane idea

[sly pond]

#🚀┃platypus-discussion message

[fleet pond]

Lol, I recall naming the 3 Uns in the list of enemies: "BEEG BOI"; "BEEGER BOI" and "BEEGEST BOI".

[solemn epoch]

@somber knoll would agree but im already in bed

[strange summit]

"smol boi" "boi" "Big Boi" "THE FAT MAN"

[strange summit]

make it an ORGANIC UN

[sly pond]

I imagine the fat man would drop nuclear bombs.

[strange summit]

with eye for it's window

[solemn epoch]

"smol boi" "fatass a beast"

[sly pond]

Why?
-# Because the fat man is the name of the bomb that detonated on Nagasaki

[fleet pond]

Doesn't Heavy Weapon call the nuke dropper "fatboy"?

Or the nuke

One of them.

[sly pond]

Precisely.

[strange summit]

-# duh! that's the reference

[fleet pond]

Ah, lol.

[sly pond]

In the console versions, Havanski Atomic Bombers are called Fat Bombers.

[fleet pond]

Riiiiight.

[sly pond]

Bug testing...
-# Haha, get it?

[fleet pond]

A good starting effort. They perhaps need to be more grouped together.

[sly pond]

I fiddled around with some math to make sure a bug will eventually collide onto an idling player.

[ionic stratus]

That's an interesting idea, I also thought maybe they could charge at the player

maybe kind of like the green fish but faster

[fleet pond]

They do charge at the player in Platypus 2, yeah, coming from the top.

In groups.

[sly pond]

They build up their speed.

[fleet pond]

Yup.

[sly pond]

And their speeds aren't constant.

[ionic stratus]

Ohhh

guess I forgot about that

[sly pond]

If you go to the opposite direction, they'll have to drag a bit before charging.

[fleet pond]

It's kind of silly that they don't turn around, and just back up. Visually, I mean.

[static copper]

is that the squid focus points but the player is the focus point?

[fleet pond]

In Platypus 2 itself.

[sly pond]

Pretty much so.

[ionic stratus]

The sprite could probably rotate depending on the direction they're heading

[fleet pond]

Yeah, maybe like a fish fighter in terms of sprite sheet.

Or Tar Tari's ICBM.

[strange summit]

Imma go in a minute, after I'm back, I'll fix the sprites and render the bug maybe

[fleet pond]

If it doesn't get too complicated...

[static copper]

that should be easy, to make it rotate to face to the other side, just a simple if the entity is in the right or left side of the player

[strange summit]

it won't be
(at least sprite-wise)

[fleet pond]

Well with you folks talent, I won't be surprised. 🔥

[ionic stratus]

Yeah you're really blowing us all away I think

[strange summit]

ok, I go
baiiiii

[ionic stratus]

Cya!

[sly pond]

I think we've been discussing a lot of miscellaneous stuff.

Smth we tend to get carried away.

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm perhaps

if it's all in good spirit I think it's fine, but yeah

[static copper]

i actually did a domeship model

[static copper]

fastship but different

[sly pond]

Since the screen is wider, the bugs move faster.

Forget the fact that they currently use worm placeholder sprites. XD

[static copper]

what are they?

[sly pond]

They are supposed to be bugs, as seen in the replied image above.

[fleet pond]

The pterodactyl-ish enemies.

Very good progress!

[ionic stratus]

Alright, you guys were right, model is the way to go lol

[sly pond]

Committed all the bug-related fixes, LMAO.

On GitHub...

[ionic stratus]

Really happy to see you guys using the github a lot

[fleet pond]

It's quite pratical.

Seems to really have been a solid call.

[sly pond]

Funny that I have the highest amount of commits.

Guess I am overcommitted. :p

[ionic stratus]

You are def very committed lol

and we greatly appreciate that

at least I do lol

[fleet pond]

All hail the Squid

[ionic stratus]

Looks really good

[fleet pond]

Wow, even the domeship is getting some love.

[sly pond]

They have the poker chip code to back themselves up.

[static copper]

i didn't spent like 1 week to code them, to just not re use them

[sly pond]

However, as discussed earlier, not all the fancy functions of the poker chip will likely be used I think.

[static copper]

what about domeships that can do up to 3 loops

or is that too complex?

[sly pond]

I'd like to see them do that for this mod tbh.

[bronze venture]

I think you need to save MBs

[sly pond]

Don't forget to commit on uploading it directly to GitHub.

[bronze venture]

What's a GitHub?

[sly pond]

AFAIK, it uses 6MB.

[bronze venture]

oh....

[latent geyser]

It allows developers to collaborate on the same project - Think of it as cloud storage, but for software management

[static copper]

didn't knew there was one already there

rip old sprite

[bronze venture]

I see...

[sly pond]

DW, it was intended to serve as a fallback, in case majority would be against 3D domeships.

But of course, most of us are apparently fine with 3D domeships.

[sly pond]

Anyhow, I love your 3D rendition of the domeship.

[static copper]

i actually rendered in a way higher size just in case, so an actualy big sized someship exist

[sly pond]

Good thinking.

[static copper]

what if instead of adding a turret to the domeship, instead they get an variant that leave a trail of bullets

[sly pond]

Works best if they don't come in chains, but rather come in randomly scattered formations.

[ionic stratus]

I think the shape just makes a lot more sense

like now that we have the model rendition I see what was missing so to speak lol

from the photoshops

[ionic stratus]

We decided quicker than the poll in the end lol

[ionic stratus]

That's an interesting idea

[sly pond]

I ended the poll prematurely, actually.

To which I think majority of you know anyway.

[ionic stratus]

Ahhh, I see

[sly pond]

Mainly because the changes have already been committed prior.

[static copper]

made a quick domeship behaviour uhm hthing
should be the basics for a simple 1 loop thing ship

-# haven't tested it

[strange summit]

I'm back

-# fun fact about me: I always render my sprites the exact size they're gonna be

[rich remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[strange summit]

wait, how do you stop that thing

-# hai Maki

[rich remnant]

I think with a turnaround sprite and an opposite-facing sprite, these will look dope

[strange summit]

Indeed

-# I'm sitting an hour on this, just the animation.

[rich remnant]

remember to take some rests when needed 🫂

you made like 10 sprites in a row lol

quite impressive

[strange summit]

teehee

thankies

[strange summit]

Gahhhhh 3 hoursssss

the only issue is that the enemy itself will need some "animation states" programmed

as the sprite sheet has "2 idle - 4 turn - 2 idle - 4 turn" scheme
and the idle will have to be looped by the animator

Also, the rapid wing movement is inspired by humming birds

as they are so small their movements resemble bugs'

@sly pond would you be able to do so?

[sly pond]

We'll see if we could implement this animation system.

Well, in theory, if it animation is X direction based, then I doubt it will be that difficult.

[static copper]

we have go to as a function, so is possible

[sly pond]

The implementation is the only thing to worry about by this point.

[strange summit]

ok, I'll upload them
if it won't work, I'll try to rework them.

-# I can't believe I've spent 3 hours trying to make a 12 frame animation loop good enough.

[sly pond]

How many ticks will it go to the next specified frame?

[strange summit]

it's designed to work in around 5 FPS

[sly pond]

i.e., 12 ticks per frame?

[strange summit]

yup, exactly

[sly pond]

Anyway, what I meant was if it goes to the left, it will turn left, and vice versa.

[strange summit]

sounds good
then it just does the idle until it turns right?

[fleet pond]

It's looking good, it turns woo.

[strange summit]

thanks

[static copper]

i'm not quite sold in the eyes

but i forgot how they look normaly

[ionic stratus]

It looks great but I do have a small nitpick

[strange summit]

well, I added the white dots to make them less dead

[sly pond]

In which perspective?

[fleet pond]

I think they had a shade of green in the back? Or something

[ionic stratus]

I wish they were hunched slightly downwards

since they come from above, I think it makes sense

[static copper]

all level 5 enemies have some cool color pastel lightning

[strange summit]

they kinda look like 3D models

rather than claymation

[static copper]

i think a way to make it so, it is in phases

if it goes from idle right, go left, idle left, go right

so is a
1, 2, 3, 4 from simple terms

so from the pos of the player it goes between phase 1 and 3

[hollow gate]

Funni dino

[ionic stratus]

Dino jumpscare

I love how happy he looks flapping his wings lol

[strange summit]

oki, I can make them tilt forward a bit, as an alternative

[hollow gate]

The Rotator Overlord (Boss 5)

[ionic stratus]

Yeah only if you feel like it though

I think they look great here as well

and you already spent 3 hours on it

[strange summit]

no worries, after I finally found out the optimal amount of frames etc etc to make it loop, tilting it won't be a problem

[hollow gate]

I should name the bosses

[ionic stratus]

I see, happy to hear that 🙂

[strange summit]

Mother Brain with her Fidget Spinner

[ionic stratus]

(I mean only tilting the head downwards btw if that wasn't clear, not their whole body)

[strange summit]

oh, I thought you wanted it to match the og position closer

[hollow gate]

Boss 1 = Towering Sinker
Boss 2 = Sky Serpent MK II
Boss 3 = Mechanical Worm
Boss 4 = Airship
Boss 5 = The Rotator Overlord

[strange summit]

Air Ship xD

[ionic stratus]

I wish I had the original sprite to show you what I mean

[ionic stratus]

oh great thanks

so you see he looks down

a bit

[fleet pond]

Oh it's the lighting

I tought it had a green back, lol

[ionic stratus]

in your version it looks straight forward

[static copper]

i see it uses 3 frames for the idle

[ionic stratus]

here it kinda looks at what's below since he comes from above

[fleet pond]

@strange summit ignore my blind eyes xD

[hollow gate]

Boss 4 (Part 2) = Greater Pedro

[strange summit]

technically, but the third frame should be considered a transition to turning

[static copper]

i mean that the idle consist of 3 frames

[hollow gate]

Miniboss (L5) = Bio Eel

[ionic stratus]

Actually I guess tilting the whole body could work too

[hollow gate]

And the 👁️

[ionic stratus]

since it's not just the head that is lower in the original sprite

[strange summit]

it was meant to be 2, but 3 could work too
-# 1st and 3rd frame are the same

[sly pond]

I'm thinking we should simplify the sprite sheet.

[strange summit]

(I am getting a dejavu for some reason)

[sly pond]

I imagine the center will be where all its rotations are animated.

The first two frames are for idle right, and then the last two for idle left.

[strange summit]

oki

though that might be....

difficult

[sly pond]

Actually, I can just re-order them myself.

[strange summit]

wait, right

I forgot I can just rearrange frames

-# without having to change the animation

I can do that, let the tilted one render

then I'll send both

and an updated guide

[fleet pond]

Also, massive respect for all effort and time on this one.

3 hours is no joke.

[ionic stratus]

Do the pterodactyls sometimes come from the sides of the screen too in og Platypus 2?

[strange summit]

-# let's add the fact that it's 8-11PM

[sly pond]

On your behalf...

[strange summit]

yup

[ionic stratus]

Yeah def very impressive

I salute the effort as well

[fleet pond]

I tought they only come from top, I haven't played Level 5 in years lmao

It usually crashes before it too, so...

[ionic stratus]

Because I think maybe we can have tilted sprites for the ones that come from above

and if there are ones that come from the side of the screen, keep the sprites that look straight ahead for those guys

sorry if I'm rambling too much btw, it's pretty late lol

[strange summit]

-# midnight for me

[ionic stratus]

Not midnight for me but nearly 1 am

[fleet pond]

11PM here

[ionic stratus]

Anyway, iirc they only come from above

[sly pond]

Can confirm.

[ionic stratus]

but we could possibly have a variant for that...

[fleet pond]

Do we need variants for the aliens? There are so many already, imo.

[sly pond]

Agreed

[static copper]

also has anyone tested this?

[ionic stratus]

Yeah perhaps that's unnecessary

[fleet pond]

Plus, they are usually variants of standard enemies like the rollship.

[sly pond]

I am kinda on leave to test it though.

[sly pond]

Rollships are technically ray variants, so...

[fleet pond]

Yeah

Podship is a modified gunship and so on

With a new bullet entity

Speaking of

[ionic stratus]

I guess there's no reason to go crazy with the aliens, you guys are probably right

[fleet pond]

I assume with lua a podship bullet entity immune to Sonic Pulse is possible? Or is it not?

[static copper]

that's the only options for bullets

haven't figure a way to not make those

they also block your bullets

[ionic stratus]

Are you asking because of the different ship types?

[fleet pond]

The podship's bullet in Platypus 2 can surpass the Sonic Pulse, IIRC.

[sly pond]

Unless we really miss something out when figuring out how to solve that issue, do we need a Lua sample of an enemy bullet?

[static copper]

just an function to ignore player bullets

[fleet pond]

Can it be determined to specific weapon types

[sly pond]

We need that too.

[fleet pond]

Very well

[static copper]

i think you can check which player bullet entity type is hitting you

so if hit with pulse wave it dies, example

[sly pond]

Have you actually figured out the exact syntax tho?

[static copper]

is on the tutorial

void OnHitByBullet(BaseEntity bulletEntity)

if i had to guess, the () is asking you for a base entity

but not sure, this is all theoretical

[sly pond]

Okay, that makes sense, even if I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

[fleet pond]

Hmm

[sly pond]

Also, I doubt we can have multiple OnHitByBullet void functions, unless I'm trippin on smth.

[static copper]

is worth trying

[sly pond]

I suppose so.

[fleet pond]

Yeah in theory it seems possible.

[sly pond]

But I'm currently busy irl. xd

Anyway Wolf, have you fiddled around with Lua lately?

[static copper]

not right now

[sly pond]

Ah, no problem.

And I do have the feeling you'd also try it out.

[fleet pond]

Haven't played around with it yet, but I've been studying the commands. Hopefully, with some more free time in hands, heh.

[sly pond]

Have you also studied the Lua files we have on GitHub?

[fleet pond]

Oh yes, definitely. Specially since some are important replications of base game enemies.

So, having some bases is quite helpful to understand.

[strange summit]

done

sprites reuploaded

rearranged

[ionic stratus]

Now it looks perfect

[strange summit]

found out that it's actually 15 fps - 4 ticks per frame

[fleet pond]

Enemy design locked in, imo!

[strange summit]

Thank you so so much

[ionic stratus]

Thank you!

[strange summit]

I've never felt so appreciated before joining this project

[sly pond]

BTW, I'll have a weekend vacation this week, so I won't be that active.

[strange summit]

enjoy the vacation!

[fleet pond]

Enjoy your weekend, specially due to IRL. 🫂

[ionic stratus]

That's completely understandable, have an enjoyable vacation!

[sly pond]

React this msg with

I could use some if it by now.

[strange summit]

-# extra pats and a hug for the weekend

[rich remnant]

take care, psychofriend 🫂

[sly pond]

Btw, I think Discord says I have two stacks of streaks, aka 128 streaks, in Platypus Reclayed.

[umbral ridge]

Gosh those Son of a BIRD!

since they'll attack me out of surprise when going up

Without any warning

Yeah without warning they'll attack me already