Platypus 2 Reclayed

[fleet pond]

Ill try that one later

I also have an idea for the Yellow Un that is used in Level 3. It has a different flying pattern which I believe is similar to the one of the GunShip, so I'll make it use that.

As for the HomingShip it also uses that pattern in Platypus2 but IMO it's bad, the one in OG and Reclayed is better, so I'm thinking of leaving it unchanged. What do you think?

[ionic stratus]

From what I've seen Yellow Un has a faster start up

it gets across the screen faster early on

[fleet pond]

I can speed it up and see how it goes

[ionic stratus]

What do you mean by homing ship?

[fleet pond]

Because the GunShip's fastest movement is also the spawn

[fleet pond]

The green one that shoots two missiles

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I'd try to see how it compares with the og platypus 2

[ionic stratus]

Ahhh I get you now

I don't exactly remember how it is in platypus 2, but I'd def say that one isn't a priority

[fleet pond]

It flops up and down similarly to the YellowUn/GunShip

But comes from the right

First appearence on Level 1 Area 5 iirc

[ionic stratus]

Just checked in a video, you can keep it like the original I think yeah

it looks sort of strange in Platypus 2

and there's already the very functionally similar squid legged missile layer

[umbral ridge]

is that the one from those caves right?

[fleet pond]

@ionic stratus yellow big un 😄

and here's the green fish

I'll try to make the green fish coming from the left now

[solemn epoch]

i love the new chaotic yellowie big un

[umbral ridge]

@fleet pond Yeah but the green fish one I've gotten enough practice for it since they always come from the top and bottom left

I just always stay in the center

[fleet pond]

Indeed they are simple enemy, but I believe that's the purpose since it's one of the first introduced and most common.

However if way too simple, maybe spawning more than 4 could be a solution (or perhaps the ammount of spawns could have something to do with the difficulty chosen).

[mortal snow]

No, I remake them by used clay and make them upside down.

I have an idea for level 1.
-variant icebergs

[simple prism]

The green fishes should be somewhat more tankier idk

I feel like the recolors are like boosted stronger versions of the main enemies

[fleet pond]

That is a good idea but, for example, the Green Ray in Platypus 2 is weaker than the White Ray.

[simple prism]

The green rays should be faster tho

[fleet pond]

maybe green fishes as well?

[solemn epoch]

i think them homing at the players is already an upgrade than the gray variant in platypus 2

[fleet pond]

any upgrades to enemies is open field to discussion

[simple prism]

Make them faster so they can QTE people

[fleet pond]

after all we do want them to be upgraded if people feel like it

[simple prism]

Personally I feel like we need to make them more distinct than the main enemies

[fleet pond]

I agree, orange flip plane for example is a pure recolor of the standard flip plane...

at least the yellow un uses a different flight pattern

[solemn epoch]

flame flipplane? 👀

[simple prism]

Lazer flipplane

[fleet pond]

I like the flame idea. After all it's the brand new distinct turret that Platypus 2 introduced.

[solemn epoch]

twin laser flip plane for nasty mode

[fleet pond]

Greeness also mentioned that stuff like the Red Flip Plane (which flips just a bit akwardly lol) or the Green Trash Can, both which drop bombs, could be reworked as well

[simple prism]

Also the red boomerangs should come back

The blue ones should be a variant

[solemn epoch]

mix them with the blue boomerangs

[umbral ridge]

Flipping it right 🙃

[fleet pond]

Yeah, I also think 3 variants for them should be used

the standard orange one

blue ones

and the yellow ones that come from below

[solemn epoch]

wait, red boomerang for level 3, blue boomerangs for level 2

[simple prism]

They need a new design

[fleet pond]

I'm making a list of every enemy. All of the Platypus Classic ones, Platypus 2 exclusives and Reclayed's new enemies.

It'll help know what is available and what is needed to be created/reworked.

I'm even including obstacles like the dish or power line.

In Platypus 2 Level 3 there's an obstacle in the water that functions just like the power line, some sort of gate structure.

[solemn epoch]

yeah, the game refers to them as arches

[mortal snow]

True

[solemn epoch]

I think that one is still kinda difficult to do

[fleet pond]

ah...maybe the behaviour is hardcoded

for every instance of the pylons with power lines, this is all it shows in level data

so it automatically sets everything up it seems

[simple prism]

My only contribution to this Is this

[solemn epoch]

the evilest cousin of mintlizard's dragonfly

[simple prism]

Do they give powerups in the mod

[ionic stratus]

I would make Yellow Un a tad slower at the entry, but besides that I think it's perfect!
Very similar to the original game. 🙂

Green fish still doesn't seem to track the player ship down, but it is getting closer

I think that one might still need work

but great progress so far overall!

[fleet pond]

Tried my best :/, can't do much more, it's all on the AI behaviour heh

I'll see if the ones from the left are better (or worse xd)

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I can tell , it's still a valiant effort, but yeah we might need to work on them more

[fleet pond]

if it all ends up still a bit on the sloppier side, we may have to keep it as a request

[ionic stratus]

I also noticed the Yellow Un doesn't exit the screen from the right like a gunship in platypus 2

so after that initial entry you can probably just make it continue to fall back

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, perhaps

[fleet pond]

behaviour is hardcoded so idk another enemy's flight pattern I can reuse to simulate that, hmm

gunship's the closest one I think

[ionic stratus]

I see, well try if you can, otherwise I do think it's a very good result overall

[fleet pond]

yeah and after all Uns do leave on the right side anyway

[ionic stratus]

and it's different from a normal Un which is what we wanted anyway

yeah so it's not the end of the world, might make the enemy better in a way

I'd need to play to tell

[fleet pond]

working on this rn

[ionic stratus]

I wanted to make a list as well for assets, so perhaps later we can combine them 😄

[fleet pond]

sure thing!

[fleet pond]

What is the name of the bosses in Platypus 2?

[solemn epoch]

boss 1 to boss 6

[fleet pond]

I tought they'd have names like Sky Serpent and such

[solemn epoch]

well, the files have no names for the bosses but the claymatic wiki have some boss names

[fleet pond]

Mother Brain (Boss 5)
Giant Caterpillar (Boss 2)

and since the miniboss for the serpent in Level 5 is called Mini Serpent, I suppose Boss 3 is either Serpent or Big Serpent

Boss 4 I’ll just call it Aeroplane, because that’s what Anthony referred to it as in Platypus when the submarine is destroyed lol

also I wonder why the file names of the bosses don't correspond to the actual order they appear in the levels

perhaps they changed ideas for where each one fit?

[ionic stratus]

Oh by the way @fleet pond I just checked and it seems gunships speed was increased from the original platypus to reclayed

so it's totally fine that yellow un is moving faster in that same speed

[fleet pond]

Hopefully I didn't miss any...

but here it is!

[ionic stratus]

Do we technically need to seperate green ray from white ray?

I am pretty sure green ray is the only one that appears in Platypus 2

[fleet pond]

are rays used in Level 4?

If so white ones would fit

[ionic stratus]

I don't recall them being there in the original, but I suppose we may add them

Either way very thorough list besides that imo

[fleet pond]

[ionic stratus]

I'm looking at the entity scripts today finally, and I think I see the issue with green fish

you can only give it set numbers to follow

nothing to really track the player ship

so it makes sense you aren't able to make it home

[fleet pond]

yeah I had to set the behavior to RandomFishFighter on the entity instead

but it seems the further I spawned them away, the sooner they'd try to home in

but ofc it's not perfect

[ionic stratus]

Yeah you played with set fighterscriptcommands I sent the other day I assume

and changed some of the numbers so that they move inwards

[fleet pond]

oh boy those were a headache lmao

[ionic stratus]

yeah it seems like a guessing game from what I'm seeing now lol

[fleet pond]

I think we should keep them in the request list

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, I'll update Sillytuna in the request list thread

because I def see the issue now

@fleet pond rockets are hardcoded btw right?

[fleet pond]

player rockets?

[ionic stratus]

nah, enemy homing missiles

sorry

I can't seem to find their scripts

like their behaviors I mean

it seems like the only enemy we have real control over is fighterscriptcommands

and even then it's just changing those numbers to influence the movement positions

[fleet pond]

if you want to give an entity the homing missile behavior it must be done in entities.json

which would imply changing the fish behavior itself

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I see

I'd need to change the "behavior" part

[fleet pond]

well, it flops around like a missile and it's too slow, and perhaps if sped up it's too unfair hmm

the virus uses the same behavior in Platypus 2 and oh boy I hated that enemy

[ionic stratus]

HomingMissile behavior

I see it now

[fleet pond]

you wanna do some tests with that behavior?

[ionic stratus]

You said that it didn't work well though right?

you tested it

I could try EnemyHomerBullet

it probably is the homing trashcan behavior

[fleet pond]

it is yeah

[fleet pond]

too sloppy

[ionic stratus]

Did you try it?

I see

[fleet pond]

I was making the enemies list xD, I'll try the trashcan

[ionic stratus]

yeah no worries lol

Maybe I will try to test EnemyHomerBullet on fish then

see how that looks

I suppose we can't add any new behaviors though

I think that's the crux of the issue

we have to abide by the already existing behaviors

[fleet pond]

yup, which is why I can't make the Yellow Uns go left when leaving cuz no similar behavior exists

also I just tried the EnemyHomerBullet and oh boy...

even worse than the Missile XD

way too fast, the fish is freaking out rotating itself

[ionic stratus]

So this is probably going to be my next major request

[ionic stratus]

I see lol

[ionic stratus]

But yeah but if we were able to edit behaviors, this mod would probably be able to get on another level

as of right now it seems a bit too restricted

[ionic stratus]

LOL I tried it now, pretty funny

[fleet pond]

lmao ikr

here are some tests, green fish with HomingMissile behavior and a Flamethrower attempt heh

[ionic stratus]

their behavior is also still that of a bullet, so it's impossible to even shoot them down

[ionic stratus]

Oh wow flamethrower looks great

it needs some adjustments but it's pretty much there

Green fish with missile behavior does seem closer I think

but yeah if we could edit it to be faster and less precise would be better

[fleet pond]

took me a good while to get this haha

after a bit of trial and error

price of working with some limitations xD

might've lost some sleep over it even

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I am not exactly sure how you did it myself lol

I can tell it's just a bunch of bullets in a smaller range

but as for how you did it I don't know lol

[fleet pond]

I had to edit like 3 or 4 .json files 😵

[ionic stratus]

oh wow

[fleet pond]

but yeah it's a bunch of bullets with Anthony's explosion sprite being shot very quickly and then pausing and looping

[ionic stratus]

Yeah and I assume you did his collision trick

[fleet pond]

yup

[ionic stratus]

Nice!

so flamethrower is indeed very possible with just modding

we just need to adjust the animation maybe

[fleet pond]

yeahhhh

[ionic stratus]

so that the bullets stay on screen for less time

but otherwise you got it

[fleet pond]

animation.json was the one I was scratching my head the most

like I want the animation to end sooner but idk how

[ionic stratus]

Probably just speeding up the animation itself I'd assume

maybe less frames?

let me look at it myself

[fleet pond]

hang on, I'll put everything I have on the drive yeah

oh I zipped it, probably didn't need to

[ionic stratus]

It's wolf2k edits right?

[fleet pond]

yup it's finishing uploading

ok done all should be up

[ionic stratus]

ah okay

[fleet pond]

animations, entities and entities_turrets is what I had to edit for the flamethrower

in animations I left every reclayed base game animation...I can take them out later so that only the new ones are in to not confuse

I'll clean it up now

[ionic stratus]

I wonder if editing any of these values will reduce the amount of time the flamethrower is on screen

I'll give it a shot

[fleet pond]

well my bad for putting the full animations, I cleaned everything only to leave the new animations now oop 😅

reuploaded animations.json

[fleet pond]

if I increase the update counter I think the sprites just repeat the loop more times?

0 probably means static image idk

[ionic stratus]

Yeah you were right

that's what I just tried to do lol

[mystic verge]

looking the fire SFX?

[fleet pond]

@ionic stratus yup, those numbers are ticks/timers for each bullet in a pattern

so it shoots a bunch, each 0 is a bullet and 300 is the long wait

[ionic stratus]

So I'm thinking maybe the 300 there in the end is what causes it to stay for an extended peroid of time

yeah thought as much

so if we change that it should be fine no?

[fleet pond]

idk if it's related to the animation itself

if that value is decreased, the pause in between the flamethrower will be thinner

[ionic stratus]

hmm...

so it'll just mean

the bullets will shoot even faster

[fleet pond]

yeah it won't be fun lol

[ionic stratus]

I wonder, what if I add another 0 there at the end after the 300

[fleet pond]

then the ship will probably only shoot once because of such a long pause for another barrage

[ionic stratus]

hmmm

I'm going to try to play around with this

and see if I get an interesting combo lol

[fleet pond]

hang on, I might've just fixed the inconsistency of the shooting when close...

I'll try some multiple tests

damn, nvm

wait, maybe the inconsistent shooting is related to invincibility frames after spawn, hmm

[ionic stratus]

weird, changing the 300 to zero doesn't change anything it seems

it might be something related to the bullets behavior itself

they are probably just designed to stay that long on screen is my guess

[fleet pond]

perhaps

it uses the "EnemyBulletDeaccelerator" behavior

[ionic stratus]

I did notice it starts shooting more when closer yeah

[fleet pond]

but sometimes it only shoots some small puffs

[ionic stratus]

yeah, that's kind of strange

[ionic stratus]

I may try using other bullet behaviors and see what sticks

[fleet pond]

also, the 300 does make a difference

make sure you are playing the correct difficulty

[ionic stratus]

I set it to 0 on hard

and it didn't seem to change

[fleet pond]

if I set it to 0 it spams forever

[ionic stratus]

interesting

[fleet pond]

you reloaded right

[ionic stratus]

yep

maybe it has something to do with the new difficulty changes in the new update

[fleet pond]

I'll try hard

[ionic stratus]

I'll just set all of them to 0

but from what you're saying that's probably not a good method anyway

yeah you were right

it makes it shoot for a much longer period of time

so the 300 isn't the issue

because they stay on screen for the exact same amount of time

it is probably the bullet behavior is my guess

[fleet pond]

yup 2 things came to my mind

either animation or yeah hardcoded bullet behavior

or both xD

[ionic stratus]

but like anthony said, if we set an end to the animation, there'll be no collision

so that might allow us to bypass the hardcoded enemy bullets

I am just not sure how we control when an animation ends

[fleet pond]

yeah I'd like to understand better how animations work

in the .json

[ionic stratus]

Do you think we should maybe ping anthony?

[fleet pond]

sure

[ionic stratus]

@timber cove would you be able to further explain how we can make an animation end quicker in the game

since the bullets are hardcoded to stay on screen, we'd like to circumvent that by shortening the animation

but we're not sure how to do that

the animation loops atm

so making an end to that loop I think is what we need

[fleet pond]

yeah one animation and done

[ionic stratus]

it might be good to look at how explosions are done

they're not looped

what's "matDayCycleMultiplier" @fleet pond

would you know?

explosions have it set to 0.2

I'm going to try it

[fleet pond]

no idea

probably related to day/night time cycle ?

[ionic stratus]

yeah it didnt change anything with the timing

I have an idea

what if we do the same method you did for the bullets repeating

so I'll change it to updatecounter: 2, 0

maybe that will make the loop only happen once

[solemn epoch]

i am recoloring some of the islands, any suggestion for colours ?

[ionic stratus]

Oh wow, I think it looks great

[ionic stratus]

The darker color tones I think are better

for the trees I mean

maybe something inbetween but I am def leaning towards that

the snow being brighter looks more natural but it does feel a bit overexposed

the green I think I prefer in the right picture

[solemn epoch]

alrighty

[ionic stratus]

Anyway idk what to do about the flamethrower animation loop

If anyone has any ideas let me know

or I'll just wait for anthony to respond

[mortal snow]

heart for lifes

[ionic stratus]

Oh we can def replace the shields for plover with hearts

that's not a bad idea

[mortal snow]

Boss level 3

[rich remnant]

Looks nice, thoughI believe in the future it could be improved a bit, and we'd need animation which would be a bit complicated to make 😭

[solemn epoch]

can we anticipate this with code of a train of strong fish fighters enemies

i think i seen a mod that replaces the snake and level 5's miniboss with dish fighter

[ionic stratus]

I'd try to base it more on the CGI model

I don't really like how boss 3 looks in original platypus 2 lol

[ionic stratus]

This is a good base though

[solemn epoch]

thats level 5 mini boss

[umbral ridge]

Yep that's the 🪱 WORM

[ionic stratus]

Ohhh you're right

[umbral ridge]

he's so unfair!

[ionic stratus]

Are you sure this is not supposed to be boss 3 though, considering it's in the lava?

that one is yellow, and this one is red

[umbral ridge]

I mean he's one of the most UNFAIR bosses because he's fast, and guns on front and behind, the most problematic is the tail gun which fires in a quad and can hit me without warning

I believe there's more things about his unfairness

since I've lost a lot a couple of lives from it, I got hit alot by his Tailgun this made me to flipping him off

[umbral ridge]

Of course the shield points will still exists in 2 Reclayed if they pick up shield powerups

[karmic oasis]

I agree.
For me, this third boss is the one with the most interesting mechanics, but in terms of difficulty and fairness, it's the one with the worst fairness of all.

Furthermore, it's a boss that I almost never fight and defeat in time, as it often flees before I can defeat it. Many times, I've completed level 3 without defeating the boss (unless I use the Sonic Pulse weapon on Type 3 first).

[ionic stratus]

that seems to be a common problem with Platypus 2's bosses

level 2's boss as well, you can miss the opportunity to destroy all of its segments and then it just leaves them and comes at you with just its head

[karmic oasis]

Absolutely true, and there are no Weapon Pods to the player before facing Boss 2.
If I remember correctly, Weapon Pods should be available again in Area 3-4, and then Area 5 won't have them.

[ionic stratus]

to be fair reclayed doesn't do it either

but you do at least get it in one area before usually

and even then reclayed's bosses are still managable without the pods

I think I'm going to make those ball enemies today

they seem really simple to implement

[rich remnant]

That's a different boss tho, right?

[ionic stratus]

Yeah in retrospect it probably is the boss 5 miniboss

I thought it was boss 3 because it's in lava lol

they're still very similar though regardless

[opal hamlet]

Omg a massive discussion occured here

[solemn epoch]

even idigicon forgot about their own enemies 😭

[simple prism]

Headcannon that that snake thing is a creature the lives in the coast of mungola

I guess it got awakened due to scrap metal from destroyed enemies Falling into its habitat

I like to think the reason level 5 looks like level 5 is that a meteor parasite alien thing caused that

Taking over like a portion of mungola behind the mountain

The f 27 is tasked to simply investigate the meteor crash site

[rich remnant]

Wait you're right 💀

The plotholes are craaazy

[simple prism]

Pretend that some of collostropolises army still remained

(I butcher vanitied the spelling lmao)

[rich remnant]

You mean collossutrroppolluns*

😏

[simple prism]

Yeh

Yi xi ate the spelling

The buoys were placed by the opposing country polariania

You see

Instead of some rouge collossutrooppolluns deciding to try to kill the f 27

It’s a opposing country ALSO wanting to investigate the crash site in any means

Even including the mean of obliterating the f 27

It’s a race to get there

[solemn epoch]

hey I think you mistyped collosstatropploisans

[simple prism]

Blame makyuni I copied his spelling lmao

Also
polarania wasted all of their resources trying to kill the f 27

That’s why there’s barely any normal enemies that aren’t aliens in level 5

Their army got hit wit dat stagger++

[solemn epoch]

i think makyuni is typinged cololasotororoplispoliain wrong too

[simple prism]

Lmao

[solemn epoch]

wait where is polarania

[simple prism]

The snow area

Also known as level 1

I gotta sleep now I spent alot of time beating alot of levels in canto 3 in Sinclairs basement

[mortal snow]

level 3 front hills

[solemn epoch]

https://drive.proton.me/urls/Y8WECNWH4G#IKUnFrNTpxzb

added the snowy islands, if there's any weird thing just ping me

I feel like some of the island have some sort of different lighting on some islands, idk if this is just my screen or not

[rich remnant]

Maybe it has to do with the " day/night mat cycle " property?

[ionic stratus]

Probably depends on the tile placement

In reclayed they have a fog system, but for the original it seems they had to tint every individual sprite in a slightly different shade to simulate the feeling of distance

[rich remnant]

Oh yeah
Original sprites were manually resized and retinted, afaik

Ah, that's really fun when modding :3 (it's not)

[ionic stratus]

Some assets in reclayed have it too from what I've seen

mainly the rocks from the volcano

it may be that the tint system was not enough for those

but in general it's a really helpful system

[solemn epoch]

now someone needs to edit the trees out from the islands

[ionic stratus]

I can probably do that

not now though

[solemn epoch]

do it when u have free time

[ionic stratus]

Working on something else atm 👀

[ionic stratus]

But yeah I will

Thanks for giving us a foundation with the islands regardless, I think the edit you made looks great

much better than the original game lol

[solemn epoch]

some island feels darker or lighter, hopefully this can be covered by the atmosphere in reclayed

[ionic stratus]

No worries, I can just slightly color adjust them if it's needed

but we'll see how they look in the game like you say

[fleet pond]

Domeships?

[ionic stratus]

Yes

[fleet pond]

Nice nice

[ionic stratus]

I think they'll be easy to implement too

pretty much just need to copy the fish behavior and set it so they all go in the same line

[fleet pond]

Yeah, they do a circle loop I think

All in line

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, and that's also something we can make fishes do

[fleet pond]

This is where we can play around with those numbers

[ionic stratus]

Exactly, seeing that today gave me that idea

[fleet pond]

New Truck with Homing Missile hatch test

[rich remnant]

Why is the animation so fast? Lol
Neat idea though 👀

[fleet pond]

yeah that's my only head scratch about it

idk how to make it slower

there is no turret entity that ever uses the missile so I had to create a new one

and the behavior is "ReclayedTurret"

[umbral ridge]

Why it doesn't open?

also the truck with the bubble has a different model which has a larger base for the gun

That's on 2 exclusive

[solemn epoch]

that one thing should probably be changed to the regular cannon, the thing is so huge

[umbral ridge]

Yea and also a fat gun

That truck is the same as the original platypus except with a slightly larger hitbox

[solemn epoch]

yeah

in the original platypus, there is that fat gun cannon in the files, but unused

[fleet pond]

if a red truck with a cannon was created, it would still have the two turrets, because that's hardcoded

actually hang on

I'll try to make it and see

[umbral ridge]

@fleet pond Of course the Platypus 2 trucks are nearly the same

But about Boss 1 since that boss does spawn in platypus 2 in level 2 except a bit different right?

[fleet pond]

New Red Truck with Cannon & Homing Missile hatch test

seems like it is possible ^^

[karmic oasis]

That's better and harder than the original as I've seen in Platypus 2.
I love It!

[fleet pond]

now imagine nasty, I can make it shoot more frequently and more bullets for example hehe

[fleet pond]

Red Cannon Squid test

[floral oyster]

Brutal

[fleet pond]

Purple Missile Squid test

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I also had the idea of using the squid behavior for that, the only issue is that their movement is pretty different

still this is def a good foundation

I think missile squid actually works pretty well here, the one that will probably need changing is the red one due to the shots being angled

[ionic stratus]

Animation and again angled shot aside you got these pretty perfectly though imo

[ionic stratus]

I do think experimenting with other behaviors might lead to better results though

maybe Uns could work for it? I'm not exactly sure

the one from Nasty with the turret I mean

[fleet pond]

doesn't work, the squid is the only behaviour which can give them the legs

Uns behaviour just uses the top part and it's not gameplay friendly either, they start shooting offscreen from behind

[ionic stratus]

Can't we combine the leg sprites of the squid with the top part?

[fleet pond]

the shooting issue would still persist

[ionic stratus]

just combining it into its own sheet

[fleet pond]

and no, because the Uns doesn't use any movement animation

so it would be static

[ionic stratus]

Yeah but I think we can set it to have an animation

[fleet pond]

and it shoots the smoke trail from behind

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm...

either way for now I think it's good, I am just saying this may be something we want to consider later

[fleet pond]

the angling of the shots can very likely be fixed with some number tweaks

[ionic stratus]

Ah nice

So if we do decide to stick with squids at least that won't happen

[fleet pond]

they are squids in essence so I think it fits nice enough

and I spawned them coming from the left like in Platypus 2

[ionic stratus]

Yeah that's great!
I noticed

[fleet pond]

and made their wobbling radius smaller to not be all over the place like yellow/green/pink squids

[ionic stratus]

I wish we can make them slower and maybe stay on the left for less time

but yeah...

[fleet pond]

some behaviors you can control speed, others you can't yeah

[ionic stratus]

still I think you got it as close as you can get

with the squid AI

[fleet pond]

Now the missile hatch animation from the truck though...

I'd like it to be slower

like the red truck's

but idk how

[ionic stratus]

Would it be possible to use the red truck as a foundation for that?

I assume the issue is that you can't attach it

[fleet pond]

nope, I had to make a brand new hatch entity

because the hatch is hardcoded to the red truck

[ionic stratus]

I see

I do wonder if this is something we can play with on the animations.json

[fleet pond]

yeah this is a game of trying to bypass limitations haha

it most likely is

[ionic stratus]

Yeah...

[fleet pond]

animations.json is either a bit unclear or too limited

idek

[ionic stratus]

I really wish we had control over behaviors, but it seems we won't be getting that

so we'll have to do our best within the limitations

[fleet pond]

Anthony and the team did mention working on generic behaviors and such for the future

[ionic stratus]

That will def help, although it's still not as much as I would like

[fleet pond]

this would help a ton, if like there could be a generic truck/boat behavior, etc

because they are hardcoded to hell

😵

[ionic stratus]

but having more variables would still be a very good help

for sure

[fleet pond]

I was working on the flamethrower boat rn and man...

the cannon can't be removed, it's hardcoded to the boat

[ionic stratus]

is it not a turret?

[fleet pond]

nope, cannon and missile turrets don't exist

I had to create them for the trucks and squids above 😵

[ionic stratus]

ooof yeah

[fleet pond]

every instance of the cannon and missile in base game is part of the entity's art itself

homing ship, cannon boat, cannon truck, bosses, etc

[ionic stratus]

I do wonder though

maybe we can use the train segments and reskin them into boats

[fleet pond]

there would be no water skid effect

hardcoded to boats

[ionic stratus]

that's rough lol

[fleet pond]

so if one wants to create a boat with a new turret, it either will also have the missile or the cannon

oof

[ionic stratus]

can we not just make it

not shoot the rockets?

like have the rocket part still be there but it doesn't work

[fleet pond]

nope because the 2 existing boat behaviours have the shooting as part of them

[ionic stratus]

but can't we control the amount of times they shoot?

you know like how you did with the flamethrower

just doing the reverse of that

[fleet pond]

neither boat has a shooting option

as you can see

[ionic stratus]

God lol

that is rough

[fleet pond]

yeah...this is why at least generic behaviors would be somewhat of a lil boost

[ionic stratus]

guess we should keep this for later, maybe by the update they will give us control over this

yeah

[fleet pond]

with a generic boat behavior, we could make 20 different boats for example

20 different turrets

[ionic stratus]

Should I add this to the request list regardless though?

just in case?

[fleet pond]

it's a good idea yeah

[ionic stratus]

Ah that sounds like what we need yeah

[fleet pond]

generic behaviors like boats, trucks
turret entity for cannon
turret entity for missiles

[ionic stratus]

I wasn't sure what they meant by generic behaviors

[fleet pond]

(and if possible the turret entity for flamethrower)

they'd do it better xd

[ionic stratus]

Guess I should add it back lol

but I think your attempt was also great

not perfect, but you got it very close

[fleet pond]

it's good for now and in worst case scenario we got something at least hehe

[ionic stratus]

yeah def lol

so it's good you made it either way

Anthony didn't respond to me about the animation yet

[fleet pond]

yeah it'll be nice to have it archived just in case

[ionic stratus]

anyway based on what you said now I'll update the request list

[fleet pond]

here's the Flame Boat test, but with hardcoded cannon unfortunately

[ionic stratus]

and gonne be working on domeships again today

[fleet pond]

and if there was a cannon turret itself, then I wouldn't have to manually adjust the values to make it look good for the squid or truck

[ionic stratus]

I see the issue lol

[fleet pond]

and for the missile turret the only "issue" is the .sfx

it plays the bullet shooting sound instead of the missile launch

[ionic stratus]

the sfx are hardcoded too right lol

from what I've seen

[fleet pond]

they are

but with a generic missile turret made we'd be saved

[ionic stratus]

gonna add that to the request list too anyway

just in case

[fleet pond]

yeah, 3 turrets basically

[ionic stratus]

yeah it would be nice if we could just change it for the specific entity

and not have entities specifically for the SFX lol

[fleet pond]

well if we were able to mod in new sounds, it would indeed be a big step

[ionic stratus]

We might also be able to add SFX from Nux

since I do have them

[fleet pond]

music is possible to add without replacing, as for sounds I don't think it is

so maybe this could be added to the requests too?

we could have different explosion, bullet, etc, sounds for different entities

[ionic stratus]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[fleet pond]

because even little things like certain explosions are hardcoded

gunship behavior's explosion is of the gunship and no other

[ionic stratus]

yeah that seems like a basic thing

I think they would add it if we ask

[ionic stratus]

To be fair for music specifically I don't think we really need anything besides replacing

[fleet pond]

yes true

but at least it's there for modding potential

[ionic stratus]

as you've seen I already added some ost from Platypus 2

[fleet pond]

yeahhh

[ionic stratus]

it works great as is

[ionic stratus]

Yeah it's nice the option is there

Btw, I think we should base level 4 on level 1

makes the most sense are they are the most alike

[fleet pond]

definitely

the differences are the flowers on the hills and damaged homes and castle

[ionic stratus]

yeah and the lake

[fleet pond]

and it has buildings but those exist already

so there's a big foundation already for Level 4

[ionic stratus]

I do wonder if we should use the buildings from the epilogue

or just have the ones from level 4

[fleet pond]

you know what...

[ionic stratus]

considering the electric wire has some vines

[fleet pond]

that's actually really cool

it would fit like a glove

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I think I got a bit inspired from LightandDark's mod lol

[fleet pond]

can't blame you, he has inspired me as well lmao

[ionic stratus]

I think it's at least a consideration

also this is technically a sequel to platypus reclayed

if we set it in the same continuity the epilogue buildings should be there lol

[fleet pond]

definitely

btw are we going nuxed and nuxless?

[ionic stratus]

People keep asking for it, so we might

but for now def with the Nux stuff

[fleet pond]

woohoo I'd be one asking for it lmao

but yeah

both versions for both fans

[ionic stratus]

I mean if one of the people making it wants it...

[fleet pond]

well I can't deny the level 5 enemies demotivate me a little bit

[ionic stratus]

I personally don't mind alien creatures, and I think they are a part of Platypus 2's identity

but I know others do and that's understandable

[ionic stratus]

Level 5 is an entirely different can of worms which is why I am saving it for last

it's a lot more complicated

[fleet pond]

it introduced way too many enemies and complicated ones too

and poorly designed ones and annoying like the virus oof

[ionic stratus]

I need to play it lol, as I told you I never got to that level originally

[fleet pond]

a couple are just "reskins" of og enemies at least so it wouldn't be hard to put them in, only art needed

[ionic stratus]

yeah for example the brains should be easy to implement

they are exactly like domeships

[fleet pond]

yup and chickens are similar to zippers

[ionic stratus]

the eyes we might need to use mines as a base

[fleet pond]

speaking of, I'll work on the zipper tomorrow likely

[ionic stratus]

I've already seen someone make zipper esque enemies

I think in remam?

should be easy to implement as well yeah

[fleet pond]

yeah, worst case scenario they'd just be smaller and slower gunships with not turrets lol, but I'll try to mimic the Platypus 2 behavior closely

[ionic stratus]

yeah what you did for the yellow gunship is probably a solid foundation for them

[fleet pond]

yeah and if I can shorten the radius of the wobbling just like I did to the squids, it'd be a good result I believe

[ionic stratus]

Yeah that'd be great

[umbral ridge]

Now in the original he's a bit slow when he shows up and likely die when bumping into him when he spawned,

[umbral ridge]

at least the flamethrower is changed in reclayed at least

[ionic stratus]

@fleet pond in which file did you find the missile boat?

I can't seem to find it myself

[simple prism]

Yea

[fleet pond]

entities.json

[ionic stratus]

Nevermind I found it

yeah lol

took me a while to realize you just removed them from the json in the mod file

[fleet pond]

Yeah it's going to get a little crowded the more stuff we add there hehe

so what already is in base game is not needed for tweaks and stuff

speaking of, I'll also clean up the entities_turrets.json file, that is the only one that still has all base references

[ionic stratus]

I see the issue, the behavior it just missileboat

so it's impossible to change what it shoots, just adding on top of it

[fleet pond]

yup and the trucks is even worse

[ionic stratus]

Yeah it's a good call you did that, just caught me offguard lol

[fleet pond]

you can't even use custom art for the trucks, it's overridden by the truck type number you choose

[ionic stratus]

Do you want me to add that to the request as well?

[fleet pond]

well like boats, generic trucks behaviour should do the trick

[ionic stratus]

I see

[fleet pond]

because the behaviours wouldn't be hardcoded no more

[ionic stratus]

nice, that's great

maybe I'll just add a generic behaviors section

even if they confirmed it

[fleet pond]

snow potential dlc 👀 cough cough platypus 2 level 1 art potential

[ionic stratus]

Yeah this was also said on the xbox id livestream

It'll def be helpful for us

[solemn epoch]

i hope they add some weather effect like in platypus 2

kinda adds more depth to the levels scenery

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, if they add a snowing effect it could really help us

and we can probably copy the color values of the snow for your islands so that they match more

Sillytuna confirmed a flamethrower entity will be added 👀

[umbral ridge]

@ionic stratus wait hang on a sec

I've been playing the original platypus 2 I've noticed that the weather effect on some levels like Level 1, beginning of Level 2, and Area 3 of Level 3 lags my pc

like why 🧐 the weather effects seems unoptimized

it should be optimized in Reclayed

To get the consistent frame rate

btw the most laggy weather effect is the ash on Level 3

[ionic stratus]

I don't think it's because the game was unoptimized

I'd guess it has something to do with modern OSes

it's probably just caused due to incompatibility

[umbral ridge]

@ionic stratus well yeah the weather effect are unoptimized on some computers, mine is a ProBook 350 3G, the OS is Win11, compatibility is windows 8, and doesn't have dgvoodoo

therefore causes the frame rate to drop to 15fps

[ionic stratus]

Yeah but it's a 2007 game

meaning it was probably made at most to be compatible with Vista

or XP

[umbral ridge]

however for Autoclickers with such a low frame rate will cause the weapon to stop firing or firing at a normal rate, therefore calling it a "EMP" for Autoclickers

but I guess Autoclicking or spamfire isn't possible in Reclayed unless classic

manual spamfire still works as usual in the original

If this weather effect lag is gonna be optimized on Reclayed then the frame rate will be more consistent on modern OSes at 50-60 fps on mid-range PCs

Instead of being restricted on XP or Vista

With such high frame rate

[simple prism]

Can't you just use movement Ai similar to a goldfish?

[solemn epoch]

use dgvoodoo

[ionic stratus]

We don't have much control over behaviors unfortunately

at least for now

Claymatic are planning to add generic behaviors at a later patch which will give us more control since they're not hardcoded

[opal mortar]

This makes the boat twice as deadly

[umbral ridge]

sadly it deleted automatically and falsely detected as a virus

so sadly i can't able to play platypus 2 in 60fps

because my laptop is too new of a os despite it's a mid-range pc

so Platypus 2 Reclayed is the only way to get 60fps in modern systems

[zinc citrus]

I am knee deep in work, but Saturday I shall finish the gold saucer and then make all the basic recolors

[ionic stratus]

Nice!

Of btw, we have a list now

[zinc citrus]

You can make an exception for falsely flagged software in your anti-virus, even windows defender has that feature. Makes sure it won't get quarantined/deleted UNLESS it actually starts full on doing dangerous stuff (don't trust me on that last part, viruses can get around that (but dgvoodoo isn't a virus))

[zinc citrus]

yipee

[ionic stratus]

although it's pretty simple, but it should still give you an idea of what's missing

[ionic stratus]

Here you go

at least for the enemies

[zinc citrus]

you forgot the yellow uns

[ionic stratus]

Oh yellow uns were made

But I will make a list for everything later, this is just so you have something for now

[fleet pond]

Hang on, I updated the list yesterday

[ionic stratus]

I really want to make a chart for just every asset and enemy

with images and stuff

[zinc citrus]

do it in a google document

[ionic stratus]

will really organize everything

yeah I will

[fleet pond]

Also the Yellow Un is in the list

But already made yeah

[fleet pond]

Yeah images would help a ton, for now this'll do

[ionic stratus]

Yeah at least we have something basic to reference, so for that your list is good

[zinc citrus]

also the baloon boat is counted as a full on boss in the original, sprites literally named boss4 lol

[fleet pond]

It's so weak though, will need a rework in Reclayed

[ionic stratus]

I dislike it visually as well

it's clear they just took the mines balloon sprite and made it big

looks too pixelated

[fleet pond]

Attached to a cannon boat lol

[ionic stratus]

Yeah...

not sure what we're going to do with it, might need a complete makeover

the ship on a balloon idea is already kind of goofy

Like ideally it should be more like a zeppelin I think

would make more sense

and we have a zeppelin in the game, so maybe that could be an idea idk

[fleet pond]

Zeppelin that drops bombs or mine ballons and shoots bullets

Heavy Weapon has a Zeppelin that drops bombs and when destroyed there's many bullet droplets. It's not a boss but uh it's a concept.

[ionic stratus]

Yeah perhaps

[fleet pond]

Also what should we do with Green Mine Can and Red Bomber/Flip Plane?

[ionic stratus]

we'll have to see what works

[fleet pond]

I think it’s possible to make them like they were but perhaps a bit of a rework is needed

[ionic stratus]

Imo red bomber should be a small variant of the mine layer

[fleet pond]

So a red mini mine layer

[ionic stratus]

so it comes in like a flip plane, and shoots bullets and mine balloons

like at intervals of course, not at the same time

[fleet pond]

Design/Art wise, should it be based on Flip Plane or Mine Layer Aeroplane?

[ionic stratus]

I was thinking about it too

probably aeroplane

since people who will play this mod will likely have already played at least reclayed

[fleet pond]

Yeah we'd just need to shrink the sprites, it should be simple

[ionic stratus]

so it shouldn't look like normal flip plane imo

[fleet pond]

And recolor to red

True

[ionic stratus]

why shrink lol

[fleet pond]

Because is's huge

xD

[ionic stratus]

But what's wrong with keeping it like the normal flipplane size

[fleet pond]

Ohh no thats what I meant

Reduce the size of the aeroplane/mine layer to the one of the flip plane

[ionic stratus]

Oh why lol

or do you think that's the only way of pulling that off

[fleet pond]

The red bomber is neither a miniboss nor boss in Platypus 2, just a major ememy

And since there will be the big version of the mine layer as Boss 4

[ionic stratus]

But boss 3 in Reclayed is the same size as mine layer

for example

I don't think mine layer needs to be smaller because there's a recolor boss of it

[fleet pond]

Sure but it only appears once

There's a lot of bombers in Platypus 2

[ionic stratus]

Is it a color issue?

you're afraid it'll be confusing because mine layer is purple and red bomber is red?

[fleet pond]

Well it was just an idea, because like Uns and Squids they come in varying sizes

[fleet pond]

Yes and normally the bigger they are, the more of a threat they'll be

[ionic stratus]

True, but considering that was never the case with mine layer, I'm not sure it's necessary

[fleet pond]

A bomber wouldn't be as tough I believe

[ionic stratus]

mine layer is a miniboss

Although, if you wanna have another small variant of mine layer maybe it could work

I'm not sure

A good example of this is probably pink ships in reclayed

there is a big miniboss variant, but there's also a common enemy version

[fleet pond]

Yup and I like that concept

[ionic stratus]

I'm def down for trying it

we should inject our own ideas into this in the end

[fleet pond]

Yeahh

A full on recreation wouldn't be ideal anyway, some stuff had issues in Platypus 2 itself

[ionic stratus]

Because I am working on domeships I also came up with an idea for a variant as well

although I'm not sure if we could do it

[fleet pond]

Shoot it

[ionic stratus]

I thought it would be interesting to have a variant where they come in more seperated from each other

and between them they create a chain of lightning

but it may be complicated to add

[fleet pond]

The lightning part I don't think is possible

That way at least

Closest would be to base it off the Lightning Starfish somehow

[ionic stratus]

Yeah, that's what I thought we could do

but I am not sure if we could set a limit for lightning

[fleet pond]

Lightning is a sensible behaviour so yeah idk

Not much can be played with it

[ionic stratus]

but yeah essentially the idea is that they're seperated but something links them

might not be doable like we said but we'll see

[fleet pond]

Got an idea

Have like 5 or 6 domeships in a circle (they must all be included within the same sprite for this to work) with an invisible starfish lightning turret entity in the middle and they zap in a set interval towards the direction of where each domeship is placed in the art

Only thing would be that the lightning would go beyond the domeships

Unless...uh

Maybe a new lightning entity can be created with a smaller sprite?

So the lightning ain't as long

[ionic stratus]

Yeahhhh

I actually tried that with your flamethrower

[fleet pond]

It's a bit of a task but I think all this is possible

[ionic stratus]

and it produced a very short lightning

so that is indeed an option

[fleet pond]

Also a new collision sprite would need to be created I think

[ionic stratus]

I mean that's easy lol

[fleet pond]

Of the domeships, otherwise the whole circle would be a target I think

Yeah just a lil note

[ionic stratus]

But I def think it might be doable now

we'll keep that in the ideas bin for now

[fleet pond]

Sure

[ionic stratus]

Like after I implement the base domeships maybe I'll try it

but we'll see

Thanks for the advice though

[fleet pond]

^Would need a new collision sprite too

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I think you said that

but you're right

[fleet pond]

2 new collisions, one for the domeships entity, another for the lightning bullet entity

[ionic stratus]

I'll have to test it

since what I have in my head might not match ingame

Also if one of the domes is destroyed, and there's no link between them, I do wonder how I can make it stop shoot lightning in game

[fleet pond]

Maybe basing it off of how the wall turret functions

But I still haven't looked at how that one works

When the turret is gone, the shooting is gone, and instead of leaving art of the destroyed turret, it would be an empty sprite

[ionic stratus]

Yeah but you have to make it so

if you say have 2 domes

O
'
'
'
O

Like this

and the lightning is between them

that shooting either one will make the lightning stop

[fleet pond]

2 domes would be easier to implement I believe

But hmm

Lemme think

[ionic stratus]

I would think making the 2 domes 1 entity, and having the lightning shoot from a invisible turret in the middle or something

[fleet pond]

Yes that’s probably the only way

But both domes would be destroyed despite whichever one you shot

[ionic stratus]

Yeah that's not exactly what I want as you understand lol

[fleet pond]

Yeah..

The concept is cool

[ionic stratus]

Yeah not sure how to execute it

[fleet pond]

Wasn't something like this in PSP? Lol

[ionic stratus]

Wait really?

Lol

I never played psp

[fleet pond]

I vaguely remember something similar

Probably in the caves

Or the new sky level

Idk, one of them

[ionic stratus]

Maybe I should take a look at that then

[fleet pond]

OH YEAHH

Its 2 saucers

Doing the exact thing you just said

[ionic stratus]

Lol

[fleet pond]

They appear in the Caves

And Survival mode

[ionic stratus]

Maybe we should make it saucers then

and just save our work for psp reclayed

lol

[fleet pond]

Yeah the design I think it’s 2 saucers mirrored

[ionic stratus]

Interesting

I'll look it up later

Alright yeah it's a very similar idea lol

just checked it

they just wobble around more but it's pretty much what I said

[fleet pond]

Oh yeah

It seems whichever side you shoot, it's the bottom one that gets destroyed first and then the top one is destroyed after?

If I saw correctly, it is a clever way we could try and simulate

As for shortening the lightning when they wobble closer, and expanding it when they wobble further away is probably possible but...likely a pain to setup as it would need for the art of the saucer to follow the art of the lightning in their separate sprites I think

[ionic stratus]

Yeah you'd probably need to just shorten and extend based on every frame of the animation

each sprite I mean

[fleet pond]

Or the whole thing could just be a sprite maybe

The two saucers together with the lightning

[ionic stratus]

Yeah perhaps

and the laser part is just invincible

[fleet pond]

Yup

[ionic stratus]

while the sides are not

That's probably the best way to simulate that, and then the collision is removed once one of the saucers is destoryed

[fleet pond]

Yup

Just one thing now that crossed my mind

Idk if its possible to make just a section of the sprite invincible and another destroyable

[ionic stratus]

Hmmm

Doesn't the final boss have that?

[fleet pond]

The arms are separate from the body in their sprites

[ionic stratus]

The legs are invincible iirc

That could still be a method though perhaps

[fleet pond]

Maybe create a sprite with the saucers and lightning together, and then crop them into two different sprites.

This way we could define the invencibility of each then

[ionic stratus]

I mean possibly

we'd have to test it, again

[fleet pond]

(Don't be surprised if there is a test video later -now I'm curious xd-)

[ionic stratus]

Lol

Hey I mean go for it

Time to make psp reclayed in platypus 2

[fleet pond]

Hell yeah we bringin' up everything XD
"Everyone's here!" vibes lmao

[ionic stratus]

Only thing that's missing is Nux

Truly would give the everyone is here vibes

(Playable Nux in Platypus 2 Reclayed????)

[solemn epoch]

[fleet pond]

Well some art based off of it will be there at least lol

[solemn epoch]

i think i have some nux sprites

nux only have 3 movement sprites though only left, idle, right

[fleet pond]

As for the Mine dropping Green Trash Can...potential rework as well?

[fleet pond]

They'd need to be reclayedified xd

[solemn epoch]

maybe throw more mines?

[ionic stratus]

I do like the idea that it's a literal trashcan that throws out mines out of its top

but it could be better for sure

it's too slow

[fleet pond]

PSP Lightning Saucers test 😄

Now, the effect of the two ships getting closer and the lightning shortening and expanding is way too difficult to achieve, but despite that detail I think this is a pretty decent product overall.

And the most fun thing is that the timing of the lightning in between the saucers can be controlled for each difficulty, this was a nasty test in which the beams are permanent. ^^

The saucers' speed can also be adjusted.

[hazy crag]

Nice, but I think the bottom part should be darker.

[lavish totem]

also the shading is in the wrong way imo

[umbral ridge]

Okay there's something like this in Astrobatics tho is exclusive to one boss only

but trust me i never played the psp

bc the one i have is a bootleg

[solemn epoch]

same here, I got a pvp instead of psp and it's filled with 5000 games or something

[ionic stratus]

Heyyy you really managed to pull it off!

it's not 1:1 but the concept is def there 😄

[mortal snow]

Today I have something new to propose y'all in soon...

[mortal snow]

Propose variant icebergs for level 1

[umbral ridge]

Does it have platypus?

Since my bootleg one doesn't have it and also died ☠️ my bootleg PSP since it's well broken won't function

And still have this broken one in my house on the shelf didn't bother to fix it

[solemn epoch]

nope, just bootleg nintendo-like games

[umbral ridge]

Oh

But idk if the PSP Platypus will have a Reclayed

It's basically an expansion of Reclayed

[solemn epoch]

are you talking about "platypus psp" reclayed mod or reclayed in psp?

[umbral ridge]

Reclayed mod

but there's no forums for such mod for Reclayed

[solemn epoch]

Seeing this one, maybe they're going to make platypus psp reclayed mod after platypus 2 reclayed mod is done

[simple prism]

Cold

[ionic stratus]

I think these look great!

Considering the location this level occurs in I agree it would make sense to add more icebergs compared to the original

you know what else we could add

This thing

I would assume that's what they tried to simulate with the tokyo tower thing in the level, they just didn't have the asset

but here we can just pluck it out of the world map

or maybe we can remake it too, if anyone wants to do it

[mortal snow]

I can make it

[ionic stratus]

Go for it!

[mortal snow]

OK after my bedtime I'll send it with a snowman!

[ionic stratus]

Seems like it's going to happen

Going to wait for the poll to end first though

[rich remnant]

yeah imo keeping them sepparate is a good idea
otherwise things are gonna get a bit... mixed, imo

[ionic stratus]

I do think there may be enemy crossover between the projects though, but yeah I agree

since we're already getting inspired to work on it in this thread

But my focus is going to stay on Platypus 2 for now

but others can def get ahead on it

But yeah, keep voting

[zinc citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kirov-kirov-reporting-kirov-airship-bombardiers-to-your-stations-helium-mix-optimal-gif-6508128564212813667

[hardy glacier]

As mobile player, i agree it

[mortal snow]

done

[ionic stratus]

Hey very nice!

The pole seems a tad short in comparison to the original, but maybe this is something that we can fix in photoshop

@solemn epoch where did you find the world globe in mod start pack

I can't seem to find it

or if you can tell me how the file is called

Ah nvm I found it

[solemn epoch]

UI files I think

[ionic stratus]

Yeah I got it

thanks though

[solemn epoch]

is it possible to flip it in reverse like the platypus 2 map?

[ionic stratus]

I mean I feel like it wouldn't be a problem?

I do understand that UI support is something they are still working on for mods

but just flipping it to the other side I feel like would probably do the job here

since it is just a big round object

the only thing we will probably have to photoshop is the arrows

since they do not match the platypus 2 locations necessarily

[solemn epoch]

what about level 5? Maybe we can fake another planet in the map?

[ionic stratus]

In the original it just seems to point to space

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We could probably add something there but I am not sure how we'd do it

[solemn epoch]

we could get some references from the planets from nux

[ionic stratus]

Yeah possibily

the main issue is the rotating animation

we'd need to replicate it I think

and that's way too much work

Honestly considering there was nothing there in the original I am absolutely fine with just having an arrow that points above the globe

that said if someone wants to do it I am all for it

it would enhance it for sure

[solemn epoch]

me me me

[ionic stratus]

You got it

[solemn epoch]

although I'll probably do like a prototype

[ionic stratus]

but yeah I think you could

see what Nux planet looks the most like it

level 5 I mean

and probably base it on that

you probably also don't need to replicate all of the globe spinning frames

we probably can hide the planet behind in the beginning

and I wonder how we'd need to actually implement it in the game itself

[solemn epoch]

nux's level that's share the same assets in platypus 2

[ionic stratus]

Yeah that could be good

We can also just edit some of the colors to match the level more if they look too different

[ionic stratus]

Should orange flip plane use a flamethrower?

I think that would be nicer than just a reskin

[mortal snow]

Yes, I think

[ionic stratus]

Maybe I'll make it a poll too

Honestly if we could make the 2 turrets spray fire in both angles without tracking the player ship I think that could be great

[umbral ridge]

@ionic stratus the reason why is like this is because level 5 takes place in a nux alien planet

or being a biome that is infested by a nux alien

living beings as Planets is a thing on games such as Starbound and Aground

which i both played those games being alien beings the size of planets

https://aground.fandom.com/wiki/Enemy_HQ

example of this is Enemy HQ from Aground

and Starbound Tentacle Planet

[ionic stratus]

Orange flip plane rework demonstration

[zinc citrus]

I may stick to normal bumps instead of lights

[ionic stratus]

Honestly it would be cool if you could make the lights spin around

[opal hamlet]

I remember making some art about this

[ionic stratus]

but I'd understand if that might be too much work

[ionic stratus]

Oh did you have your own rework plan?

But anyway @zinc citrus you can stick to normal bumps as well, that's how it was in the original

but I think the lights are pretty cool