Are Catenaries and Electrics moddable?

[woven swift]

look at the silly face of this mf 😭

It's more of a question and less of a suggestion, bc i think even if there was they would be very, Very limited

I'll get some comparisons going

[primal delta]

afaik you can fake it by making it an BE and set the battery to almost unlimited

[twilit topaz]

VL80 is peak

[twilit topaz]

Btw Ukrainian one

i think that we defenitly need electric trains and mods to add contact net

[woven swift]

hmmmmm

[woven swift]

is there a way to make so a Pantograph can be raised up, and then when it touches something, the battery charges up?

i wish i could program :(

[tired mason]

There is a pantograph control port in game

I have no idea what it does though

[primal delta]

controlling the pantograph?

But I could imagine that you could add a fake power source that only gets activated if the panto is up

just like a fuse

[tired mason]

shrugs
I'd have to play around with it

[woven swift]

hm

[primal delta]

I mean.. I'm just speculating. Never touched CCL (still have to tho)

[spring wolf]

electrics are peak, but what they will really end up being is just a BE with an unrealistic amoun tof range

We do still need devs to figure out the WE sim

[woven swift]

hmmmm...

[woven swift]

i don't think it would be that hard to be honest, with the Electric-generator + Electric physics it's like halfway there
Doens't necessarily have to be a Unlimited-power-BE

[spring wolf]

okay it will be a BE with enough battery to go around the map

but it will still be a BE

[woven swift]

hmmmmmm

Yeah i think that kinda works, Though i believe you also understand that if it's possible to, most of the BE Settings would be modified to fit into the category of a WE

[simple elbow]

I doubt the map is big enough for electrics to be a thing personally

As in the gameplay loop won't be as engaging

Electrics will probably end up as either Insanely overpowered, or if the map has Unelectrified sections, barely usable

I doubt there are sections where you can coast in order to cover any blackout sections in the line. Most of the map has plenty of elevation to make it difficult

[spring wolf]

I mean if they will electrify the passenger corridors (HB-CS-CSW-MF-FF and HB-CS-GF-FF) Thatll be fun

especially if they wont electrify the yards

[simple elbow]

Yea but it won't make sense imo

The map is too small

[spring wolf]

like you will need a diesel to assemble a train, drag it into the run-though/load line

and then couple to the electric

[simple elbow]

Most players will just use the DE-6

because it allows you more freedom

[spring wolf]

The thing is I can say the same about the steam engines

like yes they are a bit cheaper

[simple elbow]

Hmm true

[spring wolf]

but they are compicated

and power capped

and not MU able

[simple elbow]

But it's more of a gameplay preference

[spring wolf]

so everyone would just use the DE6...

[simple elbow]

Electrics will feel more restricted

[spring wolf]

yet they dont

[spring wolf]

But also even more cheap to run and MU-able

and infinite range

[simple elbow]

It's just my opinion, idk about how it'll be implemented when the Dev's get to it

AFAIK it is coming in 2027

[spring wolf]

yuh

[simple elbow]

I still think that the map is kinda small

[spring wolf]

Devs actually said that only some corridors will be electrified

[simple elbow]

And too uneven

[spring wolf]

thats why i thought

[spring wolf]

u mean by routes?

like some are overused and some are barely relevant?

[simple elbow]

Aye, there are barely any straight high speed lines

[simple elbow]

No I meant by elevation and turns

[spring wolf]

thats where electrics are actually the most dope

[simple elbow]

On elevations? Yes

But turns?

I doubt physics will allow it

I just wanna do my Indian Railways RP

Skipping stations at 130 km/h

[spring wolf]

cuz if they will electrify one of the routes to the north-east mines you can be turning profit going downhill from regen alone

like with coal or iron

cuz its mostly downhill

[spring wolf]

ohhh

also yeh about turns they are good too

[simple elbow]

I'm more of a semi High speed rail enjoyer

[woven swift]

hmmmm

[spring wolf]

cuz u can slow down before it and compensate for needing to accelerate back up cuuz regen makes u money

[simple elbow]

Most trains in indian routes average 60-80 km/h trips

And Top out at 130

[woven swift]

Sayu's strategy is actually exactly how trains stop at stations btw

but yeah i agree with you mynd

i'd actually wish there were times were you could just zoom through from one coast to the other

I Mean there are Map mods, right?
But even those are underdevelopped

[simple elbow]

Personally, I really enjoy the SM to OWN route

[woven swift]

Even when mapify is updated

[simple elbow]

True

[woven swift]

Hmmm

[simple elbow]

I'm not asking the entire map to be ironed out

But a few turns reprofiled would be great

Especially when some routes are painfully slow with 40 km/h sections

[woven swift]

yeah

Painfully slow with 40km/h is a funny word to me but Oh well

i'm a freights guy

Though i can only imagine how fun passenger jobs must be

[simple elbow]

Yea I prefer passenger service

Mostly cuz I travel a lot in trains

Pretty big in India

[woven swift]

Ur indian?

[simple elbow]

Aye

[woven swift]

That is actually really peak

and kinda funny cuz Coincidentally i'm checking out some indian steam

[simple elbow]

We've gone all electric here, like IIRC 80%+ routes are Electrified

But we only recently got long distance EMU's

[woven swift]

Hmmm

[simple elbow]

So a majority of our trains are Loco hauled, but fully electric

Also fun fact, some of our Locos aren't capable of doing Head on generation for coaches (drawing power from catenary for AC/lighting etc)

[woven swift]

back to the topic of electrics and catenaries being moddable though, I'd imagine it is Possible but not Feasable for mods

[woven swift]

Oh so that's why some coaches have pantographs...

[simple elbow]

No, So even though our locos are electric, the Railway ministry still spends an absurd amount of money on End on Diesel Generators

The Coaches with pantos are retrofitted with HOG

[woven swift]

Hmmm

Interesting

[simple elbow]

Yes

Basically IIRC the Dev's have added some infrastructure for future implementation

But as the game is right now, it'll just be a BE2 with infinite electric charge

[primal delta]

Because it takes a stupid amount of time to develop a good map

[tired mason]

I was gonna say it but Fugg already did

A map is a lot of work

[woven swift]

Yeahh

hmmm..

[serene wolf]

aye. won't be all electrified, but with all that steam bias will expect electrification will be small and also a pain to use

[serene wolf]

not the task for 1 person

[simple elbow]

I suspect DC electrification right?

[spring wolf]

stteam bias?

[serene wolf]

25kV 50Hz
Aye, steam bias, they are the type with most buff compared to real life, do know that we6 performance will be based on a 4 axle one with low performance

[spring wolf]

I mean the steam is buffed to hell

but I htink its more for the balancing reasons

cuz I tried the 282, and really it cant pull as much as a DE6 can

and u can MU DE6s

060's range is crap, no getting around that

Like if they do realistic steam nobody will be using it cuz it will be like 800t up hb climb at 20kph with barely less cost

for the 282

[serene wolf]

drive difficulty balance for steamers to actually be viable to be used, if steamers were properly balance they would be horribly expensive to run, range would be horrible and performance also quite bad, if can remember correctly sh sized real life locomotives are +-1.2MW while in-game its 2.85MW

we6 should be at least 1/2 of the power it should have and most routes that actually benefit from his performance most likely won't really exist

[spring wolf]

just make a WE4

[simple elbow]

Hmm, I should try steam

Imma try and play a steamer today

[spring wolf]

try it

just always

and i mean ALWAYS

keep water in the boiler

[simple elbow]

And what happens if I, for example, Forget

And btw what's the easiest one to handle?

[buoyant rose]

Your engine explodes spectacularly

[simple elbow]

Ah

I see

[buoyant rose]

I'd say the S060, but it's pretty weak and cannot really go far

[simple elbow]

Wait hold on, explodes?

Shouldn't it melt instead?

[buoyant rose]

Yup

[buoyant rose]

No, real steam engines also exploded if they ran out of water

[simple elbow]

Huh

That's interesting

I'd expect a dry boiler to melt down instead of exploding

[buoyant rose]

Pressure builds up too fast and too much for the boiler to hold down

[simple elbow]

How?

How can that happen if the water is low

[buoyant rose]

Firebox superheats -> when you pour water it instantly evaporates -> pressure build-up -> kaboom

Unheated water in the boiler also cools it down a bit

There are videos and simulations that explain it way better than I can

[simple elbow]

Ah

[jolly iris]

The crown sheet overheats and fails under pressure

The crown sheet is the steel plate that is the top of the firebox

When it fails the pressure in the boiler drops suddenly and all the water in the boiler that is holding a lot of energy flashes to steam and releases all that energy

Which is the biggest part of the explosion

[jolly iris]

There is a lot of water still in the boiler when it exposes the crown sheet

[simple elbow]

Question, why was steam not replaced with diesel earlier?

Actually hold on

I know why

Nevermind

[woven swift]

there's alot to that question actually

Sometimes it was either just cheaper, or Politics didn't allow

or in some cases, Motive power shortage

it isn't a single reason :p

[simple elbow]

I'm pretty sure it's just because Diesels weren't all that powerful back then

And consumed a fuckton more fuel than steamers

[woven swift]

Not really

[tired mason]

Also there wasn't as much infrastructure. Every station had a coaling point and water tower. They didn't have a fuel pump

[woven swift]

In india s case it the main reason was cheap labor and abundance of coal

Also that

truest

[tired mason]

This is also a factor.

[woven swift]

well i don't blame the engineers/firemen, people Volunteer to drive steam engines

still kinda sadge though

and Yeah Dragon's right, it's a factor too

There were also others along with infrastructure, abundance of coal and cheap labor too

India had some pretty interesting ways of planning things cuz they still used steam to such an extent

That they kept building inhouse models until 1971 for the Broad gauge and 1972 for the Metre gauge

on the Topic of electrics though, I Do have an idea of where some of those electrified sections would be

[simple elbow]

They are expanding the map

so it'll be dope

[woven swift]

Yeahhhhh

hmmmm...

just speculating though

With a year ahead i don't doubt the map will grow a few Kilometers

with also some streamlined sections for high speed

[bronze shore]

SW is like 99% not going to be electrified.

My guess: #dv-future-plans message

[spring wolf]

I wish they electrify at least one of the norrtheast mines

cuz that will kinda make sense

but ig if they electrify northweast iron and southern coal it willl be kinda redundant

also yes hope the CS route gets the electrification

cuz it makes a bit more sense passenger wise

ik pax is irrelevant here but thats how they would've done it irl

[simple elbow]

I hope they reprofile at least some part of the track to allow higher speeds

[woven swift]

I Think that's the thing

[woven swift]

Considering the hard-to-tackle grades i'd believe that's where most of the DE6s and S282s would be

Perhaps they use both inconjunction

A Situation kinda like this perhaps

[spring wolf]

Yes but the two places ppl electrify are A - heavy haul corridors with high grades and B - high speed passenger corridors

[woven swift]

Yeah you're actually right

[spring wolf]

just look at milaukee

[woven swift]

Considering how overpowered some Electric locomotives were

[simple elbow]

I hoep to god it's B

[spring wolf]

I do too

[woven swift]

it's probably gonna be both

[spring wolf]

but might do both

[woven swift]

but with Heavy haul corridors being less developped

[spring wolf]

just make there like one specific route

[woven swift]

with B being more developped than A

[spring wolf]

ik

[woven swift]

Though there's just alot to think about,

I Personally think that with electrification B would be the main thing

but there would be also A

where Coal Mine East and the Iron Mines would be the focus

[spring wolf]

I hope they implement CCL into the base before they electrify

cuz that will be a major sim change

and itll break ccl

[woven swift]

Yeahh

[spring wolf]

and I really wanna make some electrics

especially for the BorINGs gauge mod

[simple elbow]

I just wanna zoom between station A and B at like, 100+ km/h

Do a High speed rapid Transit service

I say 130 cuz that's the speed Linke-Hoffmann-Busch coaches are limited at (mechanically they're good up to 160 km/h)

Correction

Their mechanical limit is 200 km/h

[spring wolf]

Just imagine...

[woven swift]

SHOEBOXES 🗣️

[spring wolf]

I NEED the cape gauge mod to work when the electrification comes out

[woven swift]

I Actually love electrics, though my heart goes for the boxcab electrics

[spring wolf]

the top two :3

ED10 esp

Sry I probably love JNR era electric traction way too much for my own good

[woven swift]

hehe

I Don'tblame you

JNR Electrics are peak design imo

Even when they're like,

[spring wolf]

they are

[woven swift]

SHOEBOXES 🗣️
in the end

[spring wolf]

also fun fact

as far as I know ED10s made a whopping... 600 horsepower

the performance :3

But what I do know is who made them

and it was Baldwin Westinghouse

The same ppl who made the first electrics for russia

oh no

wrong pic

it wasnt the VL19s

it was before them

too bad they dont exist anymore

both baldwin and the electrics

[woven swift]

ooooo

[spring wolf]

I still love JNR electrics more tho

[long fable]

smort

[simple elbow]

No 3 clockwise looks fucking awesome

I love Slightly aerodynamic cuboids

[spring wolf]

You mean EF62?

or the boxcab?

[simple elbow]

no the one to the left

my fucking bad I meant no. 4 clockwise

the bottom left

goddamn my brain is fried today

[spring wolf]

oh

oh the ED75 u mean?

they all have plates on their front left

that say the model

Also if u look close the EF62 is literally just an elongated ED75

But yeh ED75 is dope

[simple elbow]

yeea

I love locos which have very low effort aerodynamics

Like, just one step away from being a box

[spring wolf]

Also fun fact

60000 lbf tractive effort

so slightly over 1000t load rating up 2% in DV

from a 68t loco

and 2500hp (i guess short-term but still)

for the ED75 that is

[serene wolf]

electrics replaced steamers first then diesels
However they lasted longer on locations were economics don't make sense and places with shitty networks that lack money

[serene wolf]

even 100y ICE are a lot more efficient than top performance steamers

[spring wolf]

Not really

there were late steamers that actually did barely beat diesels out on fuel efficiency

the problems then were A - maintenance costs and B - inablility to operate via MU

[serene wolf]

that is a ancient american.......

[spring wolf]

Export american

[serene wolf]

at least for ships, early diesels were a lot better than steam turbines, which were better than 3x expansion piston steam

[spring wolf]

Not before diesels started to actually perform decently tho

cuz what early diesels were kinda infamous for is being underpowered as shit

Also on the tangent of diesels, here some JNR DD50s for ya all

[serene wolf]

early electrics and early steamers were also underpowered as shit

[spring wolf]

I mean yeh but by the time diesels came around and they had to compete with steam engines that were at the end of their era and electrics which were way more developed anyway

[serene wolf]

diesels started on small lines from what can remember, guessing places were high performance isn't needed, perhaps a large amount of those are MU/railbuses which would make sense due to superior operating characteristics (remember way more of those than locomotives)

[eternal latch]

Yo forget this one

[spring wolf]

idk this one

[eternal latch]

It's from Indonesia, really old

From dutch

To Indonesia

[spring wolf]

oh oke