I might build a scale version of it actually
#Rearranged SH282, an idea that became a mod, that we pester satiric for. *occasionally*
tender root
huh neat
solid elbow
It’d be quite the thing
gusty kestrel
Hauling a comically long train
Isn't that a PSR train by that point?
gusty kestrel
.... And the crew set off, doomed to ride the rails for the rest of eternity, never to stop, for their destination never existed
solid elbow
I just did some quick math, and if I build this at 1/8 scale it would be 20ish meters long including the tenders
gusty kestrel
....how long would that be IRL?
shadow raft
"...and when they came back, the locomotive was missing, and the crew was never heard from again! Hahahah!"
"Anyways, that's how I lost my engineer's license."
gusty kestrel
Pffff
tender root
over 3000 posts in this thread 🥳
shadow raft
Gee
tender root
I like that the 3000th message is "ish" haha
solid elbow
3000ish messages
tender root
oh no wait I counted wrong
solid elbow
The scale 4-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-4 would be almost as long as the Big Boy
Without counting its tender
But counting the decuplex’s tenders
solid elbow
The approximative tractive effort of the real size decuplex is 3MN
3,000,000 N
Many much powa
Many much fun
gusty kestrel
Haul anything, maybe somewhere.
solid elbow
Could someone calculate the scale version’s tractive effort?
I estimate its power at about 5 times that of the Big Boy
shell briar
idk what you using but cant you grab the smoke box nodes? (like in blender basically)
tender root
idk what you using but cant you grab the smoke box nodes? (like in blender basic...
There are no nodes at the back of the smokebox. So if I moved the nodes at the front of the smoke box, I'd stretch the whole boiler texture
shell briar
i see the problem
shadow raft
Just one long cylinder, not 2 cylinders 😔
shell briar
o well
keep up the good work🫡
broken lion
Question, what would be the highest power configuration for the ingame 282 that could be created (that isn’t necessarily in the mod) 🤔
2-18-2 supremacy
shadow raft
Where was that graph...
So, in theory, the more wheels you add, the more TE you have.
0-∞-0 would be your best bet.
shadow raft
In terms of best adhesion, it seems 0-10-0 and 0-8-0 are the best.
broken lion
Why is the 2-8-0 and fast 2-8-2 so much worse 🤔
shadow raft
Bigger wheels.
broken lion
Ohhh
shadow raft
Well to be fair about the wheel count.
They get smaller and smaller.
So that's the actual thing behind the TE.
shadow raft
Yeah.
Satiric can tell you better, but if I'm not mistaken, as you get smaller wheels and get more TE out of them, it's easier to slip thanks to the increased power that gets transmitted?
Because the axle load gets smaller and smaller.
broken lion
Ah Kk thanks
I am the average steam enjoyer and wish to haul exceedingly heavy things out of places they probably shouldn’t be hauled out of 😎
ignore the massive amount of times things stall
solid elbow
Indeed. That also means a 0-4-0 with wheels the size of those on the 0-12-0 would slip the least
shell briar
I wonder if its possible for the locos to keep there wheel arrangements after loading back in
Coz when i start my RSO play trough i would like to have a set loco with specific drivers for there respective jobs
solid elbow
You can adjust it with the comms radio
ornate spindle
I wonder if its possible for the locos to keep there wheel arrangements after lo...
Satiric talked about that,
But he said it would never be possible.
Well, not never.
It was something about the save state.
shell briar
🤔(probably already in the thred but ima go at it anyway)
Theres this mod that saves the loco stats like windows and doors i wonder if that would be compat with this then
solid elbow
Such a mod exists?
shell briar
Such a mod exists?
Yeah last i saw on nexus but idk if its up to date i only had a brief look
solid elbow
It might be a mod to fix te issue of the doors closing when leaving the locos
Which is now obsolete because of Sim
shell briar
🤔nuts
shell briar
Which is now obsolete because of Sim
yeap mod name hold the dore...and its was released 2020 sooooo yea
crude prism
Have you considered keeping the vanilla trailing wheel for X-X-2 configurations?
solid elbow
if I’m not mistaken you can set that up in the mod settings
tender root
Yeah you can
ornate spindle
Yeah you can
Heyyy satiric, could you possibly send me a beta file of the High speed Berkshire?
I was thinking about making a video with it.
tender root
Heyyy satiric, could you possibly send me a beta file of the High speed Berkshir...
The next update isn't too far away
ornate spindle
The next update isn't too far away
Alright, if you say so.
swift island
The next update isn't too far away
Heres hoping it comes atleast next year
crude prism
if I’m not mistaken you can set that up in the mod settings
Nice. How would I do that?
solid elbow
in the mod config screen (which opens at the start of the game by default) you can click on the slider icon on the line where rearranged S282 is.
ornate spindle
I can’t wait for the next update
gusty kestrel
Neither can I, I'm also enjoying watching this mod evolve.
humble frost
same, also gives me accurate enough polar express so 8 year old me would be super proud
but can't wait till duplexes
rich steeple
Now we just need a 6-4-4-6 and a prr S1 body kit
humble frost
the s282 tweaks mod gives it an s1 styled boiler
ornate spindle
@tender root is there a setting to change the topspeed of a wheel configuration?
tender root
no, you change top speed by changing wheel diameter
tender root
Hyce has made the stock S282 do 152
tender root
Yeah on that long straight through the steel mill I believe
ornate spindle
I keep winding it up to 90 and then I usually have to slow down,
tender root
Wait maybe that was with the 4-4-0
ornate spindle
Wait maybe that was with the 4-4-0
Yeah, it was im pretty sure,
I wanna reach it in a Berkshire,
tender root
you and your berkshire haha
I've never seen someone so obsessed over a single wheel arrangement
ornate spindle
I've never seen someone so obsessed over a single wheel arrangement
It’s a good arrangement.
The perfect one if anything,
8 large drivers, perfect for both speed and power,
And four trailing wheels to support the massive firebox,
And two pilots just to balence it out
tender root
Clearly 2-10-2+2-6-2 is the best
ornate spindle
Clearly 2-10-2+2-6-2 is the best
Who knows,
ornate spindle
I wanna reach it in a Berkshire,
that and also canonically the polar express travels at a average speed of 88mph
Roughly around 142kph
fading sun
Clearly 2-10-2+2-6-2 is the best
So a santa fe + Prarie
rich steeple
Wait maybe that was with the 4-4-0
Yes it was the 440
ornate spindle
what is the max tonnage for the high speed 2-8-2
tender root
what is the max tonnage for the high speed 2-8-2
about 918t, assuming the vanilla S282 is 1100t
ornate spindle
about 918t, assuming the vanilla S282 is 1100t
Odd, I couldn’t get up the OWN IME grade with 690,000kg
tender root
huh, interesting. But you can get up it in the regular S282 with 1100t?
ornate spindle
huh, interesting. But you can get up it in the regular S282 with 1100t?
Yeah,
I had 13 bars
Full cutoff
And I just stalled.
tender root
Weird, IDK what's going on there
ornate spindle
huh, interesting. But you can get up it in the regular S282 with 1100t?
I was using the 2-8-4 compared to the normal 282
tender root
Shouldn't make a difference
ornate spindle
I was already kinda going slow,
But the cutoff was full, it shouldn’t have mattered.
tender root
Yeah I'll have to look into that. There could definitely be a mistake in my calculations somewhere
ornate spindle
I even turned off wheel slip and wheelslide
I should have had the full power of the Fast 2-8-2
I mean, you could just slightly tweak the power of the piston stroke
tender root
Well I'd rather figure out why my calcs don't match the game's calcs first
tender root
Yeah would be nice to see if any of those tonnage ratings are vaguely accurate
ornate spindle
Yeah would be nice to see if any of those tonnage ratings are vaguely accurate
Well I accidentally ran the Atlantic up the same grade
Same 690,000
tender root
So the atlantic made it, but the high speed 2-8-2 didn't?
tender root
ok I see. Was gonna say, that'd be real strange
ornate spindle
I did however make it up the grade when I swapped it to the 2-8-4
Incase it mattered I was pulling 20 empty coaches and 3 aux tenders
Which added up to 690,000kg
Which should still somewhat be within the limits
ornate spindle
Yeah would be nice to see if any of those tonnage ratings are vaguely accurate
Do you want me to test the run again?
Might have been a fluke
tender root
yeah if you could that would be nice
ornate spindle
Alright, I'll use the high speed 2-8-2
same grade,
Say, what is the steepest grade there?
from OWN to IME
tender root
Here's a DV grade map. Looks like it's the bottom of the loop https://svgshare.com/i/vxg.svg
gusty kestrel
the first quarter of the spiral it seems, with the 2.3-2.4% grade there, then it looks to level, then jumps to a 2%, and then drops to a 1.0-1.5 percent grade from there
ornate spindle
I stalled on the 2.9 grade
Around here,
Which is weird, because I made it up the 2.8 grade just fine
gusty kestrel
the 2.8 looks to be half that length though
ornate spindle
Was it just simply to much?
gusty kestrel
maybe
ornate spindle
about 918t, assuming the vanilla S282 is 1100t
Satiric say the high speed 282 should be around 918
gusty kestrel
then I guess that particular stretch out of MB isnt much of an option to use closer to tonnage? unless there is an equation for %max tonnage limit reduction per % of grade?
tender root
traction is scaled by 1 - 5 * grade / 90
where grade is an angle between 0 and 180 degrees
ornate spindle
And what’s the conversion for tonage?
tender root
There's no easy equation for tonnage, it can really only be found through experimentation
I was citing the wiki https://derailvalley.wiki.gg/wiki/Locomotive_load_rating_chart
which actually says 1130 tons going out of the harbor
Which is a short stretch of 2.4% followed by a longer stretch of 1.5%
gusty kestrel
ok.... wait
reckon it could be not so much a question of tonnage here, but a question of momentum?
ornate spindle
reckon it could be not so much a question of tonnage here, but a question of mom...
Yup.
Slowly making my way up,
I’m gonna try and see if I can get her up to 60 before it’s too late
Too late,
JUST ABOUT MADE IT TO MB
Almost didn’t make it.
tender root
nice, congrats
ornate spindle
…I think I’m about to stall again.
In the exact same spot
And I have.
Right here.
So close
So I make it past the 2.9 grade
But not the 1.8????
gusty kestrel
so, I started with a runup out of harbor with 16 cars worth of steel rolls plus an aux tender, and got this far with the high-speed mikado
so roughly about 1,014 tons is too much for the high-speed, imma knock off a couple of cars. each is worth about 63 tons
ornate spindle
Yeah, I only went for 690 tons
gusty kestrel
imma knock it down two cars and try again
that should put me under the estimated tonnage
it made it after knocking off a couple of cars
the lowest speed it got to was about 17 or 18 kph, it hovered at about 20 when it got to the 1.5 grade and stayed there.
staying at about 12 bar
ornate spindle
That wasn’t the grade I was at though,
gusty kestrel
I know, I figured i would do the harbor test
so the tonnage I did out of harbor was 888, if my math is correct
could abosolutely pull more, though it would be a slog
tender root
Modelling is 99% done. Been working on the simulation side of things for the past few days. The front and rear engines are now simulated separately and will wheelslip separately
swift island
Modelling is 99% done. Been working on the simulation side of things for the pas...
What's the 1%?
tender root
What's the 1%?
The main rods need to be shorter. RIght now I'm just scaling them in one axis but that makes them look squished so I've got to edit their mesh to make a shorter copy of the existing main rod mesh
In terms of simulation, I have to get the rear cylinder cock particle effects working, the rear wheelslip sparks working, and I need to scale up the weight of the duplexes so that they don't wheelslip quite as bad as they do now
plush kraken
Modelling is 99% done. Been working on the simulation side of things for the pas...
will there be smaller wheel diameters for the duplex
like 2-6-6-2
silver prairie
Modelling is 99% done. Been working on the simulation side of things for the pas...
broken lion
would the duplex be more powerful? (im not good at train lore)
silver prairie
would the duplex be more powerful? (im not good at train lore)
Yes, Two more cylinders which adds more power
Has long it can also grip the rail
broken lion
nice
silver prairie
but.. also uses more steam
Also is the new Caprotti valve gear going to change performance of the loco and how?
shadow raft
Duplex gaming
tender root
will there be smaller wheel diameters for the duplex
Not in the next update unfortunately
gusty kestrel
How much more steam does the duplex use?
tender root
Also is the new Caprotti valve gear going to change performance of the loco and ...
It's actually Franklin B2 valve gear, like what was put on PRR 5500 and what will be put on 5550. Essentially the American version of Caprotti. It will lower the minimum cutoff from 5% to 1%, making it a little more efficient when the reverser in the middle.
tender root
It's still not that much more efficient though. It'll have about 1.5 times the power as the regular S282, but also about 1.5 times the steam usage.
gusty kestrel
this is gonna be fun to use
tender root
Actually technically it'll be more efficient with the reverser all the way forward or all the way backwards, since it only goes up to 80% cutoff instead of the stock 90%. Still uses crap loads of water though
silver prairie
It's still not that much more efficient though. It'll have about 1.5 times the p...
Which is 253 kn
tender root
Yeah I forget exactly what my spreadsheet says
silver prairie
Will we be able to change the valve gear?
tender root
Nah it'll only be on the 2-4-4-2 and 4-4-4-4
If there's a lot of demand for that though I could do it in a future update
silver prairie
so the x-4-4-x only uses the Franklin B2 valve gear?
tender root
Yeah. The original inspiration for doing this, was that making the x-4-4-x would have required significant animation changes to work with walschaerts, and I suck at animation. And the animation for rotary valve gear is braindead simple
silver prairie
k
tender root
I still suck at modelling parts in Blender, so I modeled everything in Autodesk Inventor instead
tender root
It should yeah
broken lion
Steam only runs out the harbour just got interesting XD
tender root
Yeah that picture was from a run pulling 1500t out of the harbor
silver prairie
The west side?
tender root
Yeah
broken lion
:D
silver prairie
tender root
And that definitely didn't feel like the limit, although there are still simulation changes to be made so we'll see
silver prairie
tender root
The limit is the job spawning - you can't really take 1500t to one location haha
broken lion
I wonder if it’s possible to hook every job on the map to a few locomotives and then couple it to the front and then pull it in a giant circle
silver prairie
So a duplex is 1.5 more powerful then the tonnage of a stock 282
tender root
Still haven't finalized the tractive effort, but it will probably be about there
silver prairie
which is 1400 tons
ornate spindle
How much can the DE6 pull?
silver prairie
but you took like 1500 tons
silver prairie
How much can the DE6 pull?
1400 tons
ornate spindle
Huh.
broken lion
which is 1400 tons
A stock 282 can do like 1130 out of the Harbor ish
ornate spindle
@tender root Will you make a 2-8-2 and a 2-8-4 booster
tender root
like a tender booster?
tender root
I've thought about it. Would be more modelling, and I'd also have to figure out the cab controls
ornate spindle
I mean
You could cheat out by just making a second lever next to the cylinder cocks,
It wouldn’t change the performance other then making the steam pressure take longer to build I’d reckon
It uses exhausted steam
tender root
That's basically how they worked I think. A single lever with forward, neutral, and sometimes reverse. I just haven't needed to mess with the cab controls before.
I thought they used steam straight from the boiler - did they really use exhaust steam?
ornate spindle
I mean they could use both,
To make it differ from the duplex you could make it a low pressure unit using reserved steam
tender root
Well, if it were realistic it would take damage if used at medium to high speeds
That could be a neat mechanic
ornate spindle
Yeah,
tender root
Although wikipedia says they can run up to 56 kph
tender root
might be nice to take some damage @ 40 or 50 kph too, I don't think we want people doing mainline speeds with it on
nova cove
man i cant believe how far this mod has come
ornate spindle
I can’t believe someone actually went through with my idea
tender root
it's been super fun to work on
ornate spindle
That has always been a relief!
nova cove
just wait until i start asking satiric to make different valve gears
tender root
It will be Walschaerts and Franklin for the forseeable future
ornate spindle
Best case you could ask the same person that modelled the German loco’s to make the bogies
tender root
I suppose. I have other stuff I want to do first though. I want to do the tank S282/tender S060, then the S060 arrangements, then make articulated engines, and all that will take a while
ornate spindle
Alright,
tender root
I suppose. I have other stuff I want to do first though. I want to do the tank S...
"a while" maybe being a year or more
shadow raft
"Fast Berk or bust" - 24th Doctor
silver prairie
When will the duplexs be released?
tender root
modelling is 99% done, the sim is about 75% yeah. hopefully in a week or two
silver prairie
k
ornate spindle
modelling is 99% done, the sim is about 75% yeah. hopefully in a week or two
Hey I was close!
Nice!
tender root
I mean, there is a large tolerance on these measurements, I'm just guessing
ornate spindle
Modelling is 99% done. Been working on the simulation side of things for the pas...
Wait is it even possible to make the 4-4-4-4?
tender root
4-4-4-4 is in currently, but with the second leading axle underneath the front cylinders. At some point I want to redo the front valvegear to make enough space to put the second leading axle behind the front cylinders
ornate spindle
4-4-4-4 is in currently, but with the second leading axle underneath the front c...
So you’re not going to extend the boiler?
tender root
not if I don't have to unfortunately. I've realized that my original strategy for modifying meshes (looping through all vertices, and moving them if they're in a certain range) is way too slow (it's gotta loop through all 50 thousand vertices on the S282)
tender root
If altfuture ever gets around to releasing their EULA, that will hopefully allow me to just package the mod with an updated mesh
shadow raft
Where 👏 EULA 👏 update 👏
tender root
In September, they told me they intended to release it "in the next few months". It sounds like the basics have all been figured out but there's a bunch of complex legal stuff they have to work through to release it for real
nova cove
can one of you's send me the mod
since i upgraded pc parts i lost all of my mods
for dv
gusty kestrel
inland garnet
congrats!!!
rich steeple
It would be cool if you could change the bogie appearance
To make it look abit better with the x-x-4 appearance
tender root
It would be cool if you could change the bogie appearance
oh, like one of these?
rich steeple
Yeeee
tender root
would definitely look cool, it'd be a pain to model though. If someone else wants to model it then it could be added
rich steeple
yeah. I've tried modeling a bogie like an canadian 4-6-4 and uh....
You can see it.in the back and it's just.
Not good-
ornate spindle
*yeah. I've tried modeling a bogie like an canadian 4-6-4 and uh....*
You can se...
I mean if you do, all you would have to model is the bogie
Not a whole loco,
rich steeple
Yeah but I mean the bogie I made at the back under the cabnis god awful
ornate spindle
Still it’s easier to put your 100 in one thing then a while loco
rich steeple
True.
Just need the right references and prints.
ornate spindle
Here give me a sec,
tender root
Also, putting this here because I found it super cool - everything you ever wanted to know about booster trucks http://users.fini.net/~bersano/english-anglais/locomotive_booster/locomotive_booster.pdf
gusty kestrel
I am gonna sound really dumb here, but once they get the Diesel Electric Sim back up to par, what is the chances of being able to mess with the axel count of the DE6 and potentially have it be able to work as a DE4? I have no knowledge in how diesels are designed though.
tender root
Shouldn't be too hard, if the simulation is anything like the steam simulation. Again the tricky part is the modelling
ornate spindle
True.
Just need the right references and prints.
Here they are
I’d just advise hollowing them out.
And only worrying about the visible outside
tender root
The second and third photos are of booster trucks, which look a little different then a regular two axle trailing truck
ornate spindle
The second and third photos are of booster trucks, which look a little different...
Almost negligible amount,
The only thing that would have to be removed is the small boiler assembly
The general frame however is the main focus
Because this is is what a normal trailing truck looks like, but I don’t really see a difference
ornate spindle
The second and third photos are of booster trucks, which look a little different...
Actually now that I think about it.
If a two truck was modeled you could actually extend the firebox
rich steeple
The hudsons class has 2 different wheel sizes in the back truck and have abit more spacing between them
ornate spindle
If a two truck was modeled you could actually extend the firebox
And physically stretch the firebox model
ornate spindle
The hudsons class has 2 different wheel sizes in the back truck and have abit mo...
The model was a niagara
rich steeple
Fair.
ornate spindle
Because this is is what a normal trailing truck looks like, but I don’t really s...
No I mean this is a niagara
You could make the floor of it deeper because the trailing truck isn’t connected to the firebox
I mean for the SH282
tender root
If a two truck was modeled you could actually extend the firebox
You mean, strech the firebox without extending the boiler? The boiler is really tricky to stretch there because of the turret and the dynamo, and all the steam pipes around there (and the whistle cord)
ornate spindle
You mean, strech the firebox without extending the boiler? The boiler is really ...
I mean, technically both?
But mostly the firebox
Let me get a side profile of the SH282
tender root
tender root
As you can see, there's a ton of crap there that would need to be figured out. It'd be a lot of work no matter what
ornate spindle
I mean you could also cheap out and not move the anything.
tender root
wasn't planning on it tbh
ornate spindle
Stuff like the dynamo.
If you do lengthening the boiler
Just leave it all in the same spot
But something like this
Where the firebox basically rubs against the trailing truck
Because it’s supposed to
I mean going back even here the only point of the trailing trucks is so the engine doesn’t tip backwards
It’s not actually connected
But for the most part, you could make the “extended” firebox purely a extension
Here have the new firebox model be its own separate piece (marked in red) and have it connect to the normal SH282 model (highlighted in green)
All the green would just be the model shifted back
And the red would be new/extended parts
tender root
Well I'd still need to mess with all those steam pipes + the whistle cord if I move the cab back
ornate spindle
Well I'd still need to mess with all those steam pipes + the whistle cord if I m...
I mean just make longer pipes
tender root
To me the easiest place to extend the boiler is here
tender root
nah I think you're right, that moving the cab is the easiest way to extend the firebox
ornate spindle
We could even make it longer
tender root
If you have to move the rear coupler, that could mess with spawning
ornate spindle
Or just make it less weird,
ornate spindle
If you have to move the rear coupler, that could mess with spawning
Actually, we wouldn’t have to I don’t think,
We would just have the cab overhang
tender root
If you move the cab back, you move the coupler
otherwise the cab clips into the tender
tender root
I'm not haha
ornate spindle
…ye of little faith!
tender root
Could move everything but the cab up, but then you have the same problem with the front coupler
ornate spindle
I mean it’s like when this all started!
Like with the gauge mod.
The code exists
It just needs to be heavily altered
tender root
Well, I've never done mesh alterations this drastic. Keep in mind that all of these mesh changes still have to happen at runtime
ornate spindle
Well, I've never done mesh alterations this drastic. Keep in mind that all of th...
Good point,
ornate spindle
Well, I've never done mesh alterations this drastic. Keep in mind that all of th...
Actually,
It should be fine.
Now that I think about it.
There was a mod a while ago called 'Cut pasengers' or something,
It made the coaches smaller for pax mod
The coaches still spawned and were still connected for their jobs.
while the SH282 isn't a coach,
I'm sure the game could adapt to the change in size,
for the actual making of the mesh,
...
that would have to wait for the EULA....
ornate spindle
game might handle it automatically
Pretty sure it does,
crude prism
Does anyone have the chart that designates the tonnage for each wheel arrangement?
ornate spindle
Does anyone have the chart that designates the tonnage for each wheel arrangemen...
On the mod page
Might be inaccurate though,
fading sun
How long till duplexes
ornate spindle
How long till duplexes
At most 3 months from now
And at least the end of the month
hybrid silo
I mean you could also cheap out and not move the anything.
Do it properly the first time or don’t bother.
ornate spindle
Do it properly the first time or don’t bother.
Or just cheap out because there is a level of effort that is just redundant.
hybrid silo
Or just cheap out because there is a level of effort that is just redundant.
If it means that the model looks weird and incorrect at a visual and engineering level, then it does. Be patient and let the modder take the time to do it right, that’s all I’m saying.
ornate spindle
If it means that the model looks weird and incorrect at a visual and engineering...
I’m not rushing anything, I’m just give solutions that are more “simpler” in nature.
hybrid silo
I’m not rushing anything, I’m just give solutions that are more “simpler” in nat...
Fair call, but you also want it to be visually correct, appealing. I like the idea itself. A quicker way to get configurations not available yet, particularly duplexes as you’ve mentioned before.
ornate spindle
I never wanted the duplexes?
Everyone else did.
I can’t wait to see it in the game!
But uh,
I just wanted a Berkshire and Pacific wheel arrangement.
hybrid silo
But uh,
A pacific with large drivers for speed…. Will go well with the future planned straightening of some sections of track 🙂
hybrid silo
Berkshires from any particular country?
ornate spindle
USA,
hybrid silo
The Japanese and Austrians had some interesting Berkshire designs. We even had a tank engine here in Western Australia of the 2-8-4 Berkshire configuration. The “K” class. Nowhere near as impressive as what the Americans had and still have.
ornate spindle
How is the mod going Satirtic?
tender root
it's going good, main thing I'm trying to figure out right now is why the rear driving wheels aren't clocked right. Which is the only major thing keeping the duplexes from release
rich steeple
Damn wheels-
We need you wheelin and dealin
We need a 4501, 611 and T1 triple header since we can't do the 1307 we can take the T1.
tender root
Been wondering, should the duplexes still make the valve gear sound that the default S282 makes?
ornate spindle
Been wondering, should the duplexes still make the valve gear sound that the def...
Yeah,
I mean you could slightly lower the chuffing sound
The pitch I mean
Unless it doesn’t use vented steam
tender root
it doesn't use steam, it's just the sound of the walschaerts valve gear clinking
ornate spindle
No I mean for the actual chuffing
tender root
Well I was wondering about the valve gear sound
ornate spindle
Hmmm
tender root
the sound that people confuse with the "cylinder's got too much water" sound
ornate spindle
I’d say yes for the people who are big train nerds and would appreciate the different
tender root
as in, yes, the duplexes shouldn't have it?
ornate spindle
Oh I thought you meant a whole new sound
tender root
nah, I was just gonna turn off the regular valve gear sound, or turn it down maybe
tender root
alright
rich steeple
Do u plan to go past a 4-4-4-4?
ornate spindle
Do u plan to go past a 4-4-4-4?
I recall Satiric considering a 2-6-6-2 I think.
But the drivers would be tiny
Tinnnnyyyyy
I mean if you look here
I’m not actually too sure how much space there would be
Might be able to pull off a 2-4-6-0
Which…. Did exist?????
Huh.
tender root
I was considering 2-6-6-2 and 2-4-6-0. Not sure if anyone ever made a 2-6-6-2 duplex (there were definitely articulated 2-6-6-2's, but no duplex ones)
For now it will just be 2-4-4-2 and 4-4-4-4
actually I don't think anyone has ever made a 2-4-4-2 duplex either, but it looks a bit better than the 4-4-4-4
The pennsy also made a 6-4-4-6, a 4-4-6-4, and a 4-6-4-4, but all three of those would be pretty tricky to fit into the game
olive sigil
Is it going to take damage after 40-50 kmh ? I recall seeing a convo on that earlier
rich steeple
Will we see the S1?
tender root
I haven't looked into how the damage works actually. But no, it will hopefully just take damage at a reasonable rate. I don't want to punish people for having a good time with it
olive sigil
Alright
tender root
Will we see the S1?
Probably not, the 4-4-4-4 is pretty packed as it is. Drivers would need to be pretty small
olive sigil
Looking forward to the release of it, gonna be fun using it out of the coal mine // harbor
rich steeple
Probably not, the 4-4-4-4 is pretty packed as it is. Drivers would need to be pr...
Doesn't the t1 and s1 have the same driver size?
Nvm s1 has 84 t1 with 80
tender root
Even if they had the same driver size, there's no way I could fit 3 leading axles and 3 trailing axles under the S282 without extending it somehow
Or decreasing the driver size to make room for the leading and trailing axles. But it would feel weird to make an S1 with, like, 48" drivers
Keep in mind the vanilla S282 has 56" drivers. Shows you how massive the T1 and S1 were
rich steeple
You know what you have a fair point
Alright well keep uo the amazing work either way!
tender root
Thanks. I appreciate the suggestions and support
short void
Its so cursed, its perfect
sick vine
I mean if you look here
Cant wait to triple head everything out the harbor with these things
shadow raft
BTW if you want to see a 2-4-6-0 in working order...
#vehicles message
tender root
is this actually in the mod rn?
Not yet, I'm working on it. Hopefully won't be too far away now
mellow yacht
sweet
tender root
Cant wait to triple head everything out the harbor with these things
The limitation isn't the locomotive, but the job spawning system lmao. It's tricky to find enough freight going in the same direction
tender root
BTW if you want to see a 2-4-6-0 in working order...
https://discord.com/channel...
Thanks for sharing this. It's articulated right?
ornate spindle
The limitation isn't the locomotive, but the job spawning system lmao. It's tric...
SM To HB usually long long lines of rails
tender root
True
I think of that route as mostly downhill, but it does have quite a bit of uphill
ornate spindle
Oh I meant from SM to MB to HB,
Speaking of which, did you ever figure out why the Highspeed 282 couldn’t get up that grade?
tender root
Nah only been working on the duplexes
ornate spindle
Actually question, could you make a 2-4-4-4?
tender root
If anything I'd make a 4-4-4-2. I've gotten the leading axles to look good, but it's tricky to get the trailing axles to look good. But I'm trying to stick to things that actually existed
ornate spindle
Pretty sure it has,
tender root
Got a pic?
ornate spindle
I’m looking it up,
Huh guess there wasn’t?
I still don’t think it would look bad, but eh.
shadow raft
Thanks for sharing this. It's articulated right?
Yeah, they're mallets so compound too, with the rear ones being high pressure and the front low pressure.
tender root
Ah. Might put it in when I eventually get to articulated engines
shadow raft
Wikipedia has some pics too.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MD_450_→_CP_E200
ornate spindle
If anything I'd make a 4-4-4-2. I've gotten the leading axles to look good, but ...
I mean you said you were going to make the 4-4-4-4
tender root
which is an arrangement that did actually exist
ornate spindle
True,
Its just nice to hit all the bases.
Could you render it aswell when you get to it?
Just render it,
ornate spindle
I'm not making a duplex berkshire
Who uh- said wnything about berkshires
tender root
I mean, it's got 2 leading wheels and 4 trailing wheels
ornate spindle
Fine fine,
tender root
and eight drivers
ornate spindle
I Do wonder when T1 Streamlining will be made for the SH282
sick vine
The limitation isn't the locomotive, but the job spawning system lmao. It's tric...
PSR with steam and make big circle
hybrid silo
I Do wonder when T1 Streamlining will be made for the SH282
If you’re going to go to the effort of modelling an entire t1 casing for the S282 which is much smaller than a T1, then do it properly and model an entire T1.
ornate spindle
If you’re going to go to the effort of modelling an entire t1 casing for the S28...
Do you know how hard it is to model a whole locomotive?
compared to just...
making a mesh to put over the loco?
hybrid silo
It won’t look right. The T1 is physically larger than the S282. And as far as modders making a whole locomotive, there’s modders doing that in the mod development thread right now. I don’t have the time unfortunately to learn the ins and outs from scratch 😦 or I’d give it a crack for you.
ornate spindle
Making a whole engine (which can't even really be put into the game) compared to a fun addition to the SH282 seems overkill.
ornate spindle
It won’t look right. The T1 is physically larger than the S282. And as far as mo...
Not the point,
hybrid silo
I suppose you could, but you’d have to get all the proportions to look right.
ornate spindle
I mean, its techinally already been done.
The S282Tweaks exist.
and it echos the S1
hybrid silo
I’ll have to have a look 🙂
ornate spindle
I just meant something similar,
Even without the duplex arrangment
Having a streamlined SH282 sounds fun
hybrid silo
I did read somewhere that Derail Valley is narrow gauge?
ornate spindle
....it shouldn't be?
Last I checked its standard gauge.
it just has a diffrent loading gauge.
hybrid silo
Thanks 🙂 wasn’t sure. I’ll have a look at the S282 tweaks mod and try and change my way of looking at putting a T1 style body on the S282. In the real world, South Australian Railways did build a loco in the style of the T1, the 520 class, so I guess there is precedent.
ornate spindle
I mean it is the same logic as the reason why I wanted this mod to exist,
Of course you could just 'model the locomotive you want..' but for people that don't want to model a whole locomotive, or people that want the SH282 Itself to have those wheel arangments
They can.
If someone wants a German pacific? now they can grab a German skin of the SH282, and then use a smoke deflector mod and this mod
Wether if be people want a german locomotive that isn't a mod, or people want to see the SH282 look more german,
they can.
hybrid silo
I’ll have to try it 🙂
ornate spindle
I’d find the mod for you but I don’t actually know where to start,
Just ask around in mod’s discussion,
Or look in one of these posts
Actually…
Wait no found it.
If someone doesn’t make a T1 streamline for the SH282
I’m definitely using this,
ornate spindle
@tender root Question will the duplexes have a higher speed?
tender root
No, the wheel size will be the same as the regular S282 so the top speed should be the same
ornate spindle
So they just... pull things faster?
solid elbow
More power, not more speed
tender root
They can pull more without wheelslip
ornate spindle
...
solid elbow
It just has more power
solid elbow
You won’t go 240 just because you have 2 DE6es
ornate spindle
Wait does it mean that I can reach its top speed faster?
solid elbow
Yes
solid elbow
But it doesn’t make the top speed faster
ornate spindle
what is the SH282's top speed anyway
solid elbow
120ish
solid elbow
120?
ornate spindle
((without death
solid elbow
Yes
solid elbow
I do that whenever I can
ornate spindle
((on the vanilla map?
solid elbow
Gotta get that bonus time ya know
ornate spindle
I've never been able to get it up to 120,
solid elbow
It is hard to hit 120 with a load that’s close to tonnage
ornate spindle
Ah,
solid elbow
But it is possible
solid elbow
That’s basically nothing for the S282
Tonnage for it would be between 1200 and 2000t, depending on the grade
ornate spindle
forgot a zero there,
ornate spindle
Then explain why I couldn't get up the +3.5 grade
solid elbow
Bad firing and steam management I guess
ornate spindle
Bad firing and steam management I guess
I HAD 12.5 BARS
solid elbow
Cutoff is a powerful tool if you know how to use it well
ornate spindle
Cutoff is a powerful tool if you know how to use it well
Well which do I focus on?
Maintaning 12.5 bars?
or having the cutoff at 100
solid elbow
The simplest way of doing things is to just keep shoveling coal and the cutoff full forward
ornate spindle
I usually try to maintain 12.5 bars while having the cutoff as full as you can,
solid elbow
Although that uses much more coal and water than necessary
ornate spindle
The simplest way of doing things is to just keep shoveling coal and the cutoff f...
Thats what I use to do,
solid elbow
I usually try to maintain 12.5 bars while having the cutoff as full as you can,
Not a good idea
For cruising
ornate spindle
The simplest way of doing things is to just keep shoveling coal and the cutoff f...
But people told me that that was a bad idea,
and its 'slower'
solid elbow
It uses more resources
ornate spindle
It does,
solid elbow
That’s basically it
ornate spindle
14 bar is the maximum, and ideally you want to stay at that
No?
Its 13.
The safety blows at 13 bars
solid elbow
Then I guess it’s the S060 that pops at 14
ornate spindle
riding at 6 bars at high speed is fine?
So ripping down the line at 80kph with 6 bars is not fine?
solid elbow
But for more efficient steam usage: full cutoff uses much steam and gives you much power, close to center uses much less steam but uses it more, allowing you to go faster
Usually I try to get to full throttle as fast as possible and then run the engine using only the cutoff
That’s how real engines are run
ornate spindle
So how do I go fast?
solid elbow
Full throttle and cutoff as close to center as you can get it without decelerating
ornate spindle
Even if it keeps popping the safety valve?
solid elbow
Yes
Popping the safety means you are at full pressure
Which you basically always want to be at
ornate spindle
So opening the cutoff to stop it from constantly blowing is a bad idea?
solid elbow
Not necessarily
ornate spindle
Isn’t that technically wasteful?
solid elbow
It is
ornate spindle
Your just letting steam constantly blow,
solid elbow
If the safety pops a lot, throw less coal in the fire
ornate spindle
…using all that logic,
Why wouldn’t the duplex be as fast as something like the T1?
solid elbow
Driver size
ornate spindle
…wait really?
solid elbow
Yes
solid elbow
It is
solid elbow
Nope
There is an upper limit for that, but it depends on how well the connecting rods are built
ornate spindle
So even with several pairs of drivers on a duplex.
Spinning.
As fast as possible.
It still won’t be faster?
solid elbow
Not as long as the wheels are bigger
ornate spindle
So with this final logic,
Would I not pull a load faster in a duplex then a normal SH282?
solid elbow
It does
ornate spindle
What about a 20 ton load
ornate spindle
If you give the SH282 a load it can’t pull
solid elbow
Then it won’t move
ornate spindle
Would a duplex not pull it faster?
ornate spindle
So would it not technically be pulling the load faster than a SH282 could?
ornate spindle
Is 0kph not slower then literally any other speed?
ornate spindle
But we’re talking about top speed
I was talking about relative speed
solid elbow
Oh
ornate spindle
Would I not be able to to achieve the SH282’s topspeed in the duplex effortlessly?
It would be easier to pull loads
solid elbow
Yes
solid elbow
It isn’t
solid elbow
No
It’s limited by driver size
Of course, it will accelerate slower with bigger loads
But it will eventually reach its top speed
ornate spindle
But would it would not reach it top speed
ornate spindle
In a perfect world?
solid elbow
Even in an imperfect world
ornate spindle
But everything isn’t perfectly levelled.
solid elbow
True
Assuming the track is flat, regardless of weight (of course if it is actually below tonnage) both the S282 and the duplex would reach the same top speed
The duplex would achieve it faster though
ornate spindle
Assuming the track is flat, regardless of weight (of course if it is actually be...
Assuming the track is a normal track like in DV,
Why would it not be faster?
solid elbow
Because of driver size, again
solid elbow
That just gives more power
plush kraken
Even with more steam flowing into the pistons per pistons?
stop asking about 50 different components of a steam loco
beef has said it is DRIVER SIZE
duplexs have more power
not speed
it aint that hard to understand and read
ornate spindle
Would this power not in turn give more speed?
plush kraken
no
solid elbow
No
solid elbow
Speed and power aren’t always linked
plush kraken
there is a certain rpm, loco drivers can operate without throwing rods
large drivers means less rpm per steam usage
the can go faster without wrecking itself
ornate spindle
But DV doesn’t simulate that.
solid elbow
Self destruction? No. Driver size mattering? Yes.
ornate spindle
So would having more power not contribute to high rpms?
plush kraken
Self destruction? No. Driver size mattering? Yes.
exactly
solid elbow
So would having more power not contribute to high rpms?
Speed and power aren’t always linked
plush kraken
So would having more power not contribute to high rpms?
no
solid elbow
So no
ornate spindle
It feels like school has failed me.
gusty kestrel
It feels like school has failed me.
If the stroke was made smaller so that where the main and connecting rods met the wheel was closer to the center, then it could go faster, but then you lose torque.
The vice versa with the same thing, you get more torque, and less speed.
If I am remembering that right.
If I'm wrong on anything, please correct me
solid elbow
If the stroke was made smaller so that where the main and connecting rods met t...
Well it doesn’t make you go faster, but it makes you run more efficiently
gusty kestrel
Huh. I was thinking it went by similar rules as gearing, I guess not.
solid elbow
The factor that limits how fast an engine can go is the driver size
hybrid silo
the can go faster without wrecking itself
500-550 rpm apparently in real locos. If you calculate it out Mallard was pushing 529rpm when she set the record of 126mph and she broke down doing that. For the Doctor, think of driver size like gearing in a car. My Ute could theoretically pull 6 tons but it would have to do so in 1st gear (small drivers, high tractive effort, low top speed at 550 rpm or revolutions per minute of those drivers). Now I could not start that same train in 6th gear at all (larger drivers), but I could start half ton load that way and accelerate it to 100kmh, like a passenger steam locomotive with large drivers (high gear). I can attain a higher speed with larger drivers but my pulling power is lower. This is why freight steam locomotives have lower top speeds, higher tractive efforts and therefore more pulling power for large freight trains, than their high top speed, lower tractive effort passenger train breathren. Does that make sense?
plush kraken
yeah but they can throw rods if they get too fast
hybrid silo
yeah but they can throw rods if they get too fast
Yes they can (Happened in a catastrophic way to a Milwaukee Road Class F7, which were likely faster than Mallard but never officially timed) but the physical rpm limit for a steam locomotive due to the way steam flows, expands and reacts in a steam engine is 500-550rpm. If you’re pushing beyond that, then you’re out of control running downhill with gravity taking charge, or you’ve implemented Chapelon and Portas ideas in a modern clean sheet steam locomotive and found a way to beat physics. Failing that you increase driver size to get a higher top speed.
plush kraken
yes
solid elbow
500-550 rpm apparently in real locos. If you calculate it out Mallard was pushin...
To be more precise, Mallard didn’t bend its rods, but the journals heated up too much
plush kraken
I know I wasnt configed at any point
hybrid silo
To be more precise, Mallard didn’t bend its rods, but the journals heated up too...
Can you remind me if she had roller bearings?
solid elbow
I don’t actually know, but I doubt it
hybrid silo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVtVk3T80hA
Nice link 🙂
ornate spindle
I wonder if the Q2 will be possible
gusty kestrel
duplex 2-6-6-0 using the tiny x-12-x drivers
tender root
Duplex update is finally ready, as far as I can tell. Can a few of you double check that it works OK on your machines before I release it? You'll need this Loco Mesh Splitter mod as well in order for it to work
plush kraken
Duplex update is finally ready, as far as I can tell. Can a few of you double ch...
works fine but no brakes when indepent is applied
or they dont show at least
tender root
hmm let me take a look
plush kraken
power
tender root
works fine but no brakes when indepent is applied
Hmm, they do seem to at least stop the locomotive, at least on my end. Do you mean it doesn't show in the HUD mod?
tender root
they don't move in vanilla derail valley either
tender root
also should brake force be more since more wheels?
Adhesive weight matters more than # of axles. Brakes are useless if they just lock up the wheels
plush kraken
true
tender root
The duplex is about 40% heavier to compensate for the extra power, looks like the independent brakes on the duplexes are about 40% stronger as a result
plush kraken
ah
tender root
The duplex is about 40% heavier to compensate for the extra power, looks like th...
Same with the train brakes. Looks like it's a function of total locomotive weight, not of adhesive weight
That's how it is without doing any changes to the braking sim, anyway. I could be persuaded to change it if people want braking performance to change with adhesive weight
Here's the change log
plush kraken
nice
solid elbow
The 4-4-0 currently in the mod doesn’t have that
plush kraken
Here's the change log
im assuming the 2-6-6-2 will come as well at a later date
hybrid silo
Just tried the Duplex……
Regular S282
Rearranged S282 duplex. Pulls anything anywhere.
ornate spindle
Now all we need is a Pennsylvania livery,
ornate spindle
Yes,
I mean honestly?
I just wanna go 100mph in DV
The speedo only says it can go 120kph
Nowhere near 100
We should be able to at least reach 145kph
plush kraken
american map when
broken lion
Anyone got estimated tonnage for the duplex yet? lol
gusty kestrel
omg, 4-0-4: drivers not found lol
gusty kestrel
it was the last option, after the 4-4-4-4
gusty kestrel
I found a bug! or two
So, I applied throttle with the 4-0-4 no drivers, then switched to the duplex, and the throttle wouldnt apply throttle no matter how far I moved it. It then suddenly fixed itself when I messed with the reverser, and there was apparently water in the cylinders, and I busted the back end of the rear right cylinder before I could get the cylinder cocks open as the locomotive launched forward, and turns out the busted cylinder effect for that cylinder is underneath the cab
also, the tender derails before the 4-4-4-4 does, I got to going 60 out of harbor on the uphill 40.
broken lion
Lmao
gusty kestrel
photo of the busted cylinder effect
shadow raft
How slippery is this boi BTW
gusty kestrel
no clue, I was trying to get the auxillary tender hooked up, and I had no weight to speak of when hell broke loose
she almost made it through this 40 curve going 80, and derailed as she was coming out of it
I know I was going 60 through the inital 40 section when the tender said screw it
So, I guess everything else will derail long before the locomotive does
70! the locomotive can do 70 around a 40, but no more
with the 4 pilot and 4 trailing wheels
roughly
lost the tender just before the last switch between the southernmost track between sawmill and harbor and the loop, ran out of water and coal, derailed twice, and still made it to the summit of the loop
I was also not being effecent, I just hail mary'ed it all the way
gusty kestrel
So, I applied throttle with the 4-0-4 no drivers, then switched to the duplex, a...
imma see if i can recreate this later, and actually record it if i can.
solid elbow
omg, 4-0-4: drivers not found lol
tender root
So, I applied throttle with the 4-0-4 no drivers, then switched to the duplex, a...
Interesting. I didn't think it was possible to bust the rear cylinders so I didn't bother fixing the position of the steam particles for that
Might happen when changing from other arrangements to a duplex as well
tender root
I believe the valve gear noise should be gone. Can't remember if I got that working or not
tender root
Anyone got estimated tonnage for the duplex yet? lol
1719 tonnes by my calcs (assuming 1130 for the vanilla S282, like on the wiki).
tender root
How slippery is this boi BTW
2-4-4-2 has a factor of adhesion of 4.21, 4-4-4-4 has a factor of adhesion of 3.38
Which means the 4-4-4-4 is about as slippery as the 4-4-4
shadow raft
I'd expect the extra power from using just 2 drivers with the same cylinder size would make it easier to slip.
The 4-4-4-4 would be applying twice as much power to the rails as the 4-4-4 at a given time.
Oh well.
tender root
Duplex cylinders are a bit smaller, and the max cutoff is less
shadow raft
Can they desync BTW?
tender root
Yup
shadow raft
Nice
tender root
Duplex cylinders are a bit smaller, and the max cutoff is less
The limitation here is the weight - I wanted to make it as powerful as I could while still keeping the weight of the locomotive reasonable (I.e. not too far away from the vanilla S282). Already I've added 50t to the duplex to keep the wheelspin in check
tender root
Yeah
ornate spindle
Fun is about to unfold,
shadow raft
Ah yes, the 9000km length of the valley in one go.
ornate spindle
Yes.
tender root
also, the tender derails before the 4-4-4-4 does, I got to going 60 out of harbo...
This is intended (but a little weird, I know). I wanted to make the locomotives with more leading and trailing wheels derail less, and the 0-8-0 etc derail easily. But I'm not altering the physics of anything behind the locomotive, so this happens with arrangements with more leading/trailing axles than the vanilla S282
ornate spindle
Fun is about to unfold,
We need a prr skin now,
Unless there already is one
How many coaches did the T1 pull?
I’m going for 51
ornate spindle
Interesting. I didn't think it was possible to bust the rear cylinders so I didn...
I just busted the rear cylinders
tender root
We need a prr skin now,
There are already a couple; made sure they looked good
ornate spindle
I meant more of a PPR streamline skin
tender root
Looks surprisingly good with the german livery though
yeah neither PRR skins are quite right but they're better than nothing
ornate spindle
There are already a couple; made sure they looked good
Could I have the link to them?
ornate spindle
Thanks!
tender root
yeah katy did a good job with those they look great
ornate spindle
Gotta say,
In a vacuum,
The Duplex is amazing,
It feels like I have more access to steam,
Which is weird,
silver prairie
well fuck
tender root
well fuck
can you send your log file?
!log
well the bot isn't working but it's in %localappdata%low\Altfuture\Derail Valley\player.log
silver prairie
Got it working after I shutdown some apps
shadow raft
Log would still be useful.
silver prairie
Do I put in the perv player.log has I started the game again?
shadow raft
Yeah
plush kraken
How slippery is this boi BTW
Can only use notch 3 on reg to start
shadow raft
That one is a spicy meatball
tender root
I had the game crash on me once or twice during development, but it's never been repeatable, and IDK if it was related to my stuff or not
sometimes after leaving the game open for a long time in the background IIRC
tender root
well fuck
Did this happen when you loaded into the save, or after playing for a while?
silver prairie
Did this happen when you loaded into the save, or after playing for a while?
When I was trying to start the game
tender root
Are you on Windows?
ornate spindle
Actually side note, why does it seem the duplex builds steam faster?
Is that intentional?
silver prairie
Are you on Windows?
windows 10 yes
tender root
Actually side note, why does it seem the duplex builds steam faster?
Boiler sim should be exactly the same
ornate spindle
Odd,
tender root
There's more airflow through the exhaust, so it will be a hotter fire once you get going
tender root
But that's only when using steam - when stationary or coasting, it should be the same as the vanilla S282
ornate spindle
Well, that’s not what happening,
I’ll have to run more tests, but it definitely feels like I’m gaining steam faster
Perhaps it has something to do with valve gear?
Because not only can I keep the cutoff closer to the corner, I can do so without even worrying about killing the steam pressure,
gusty kestrel
Ok, there is currently only one issue I have with the duplexes, that being the light that illuminates the drivers cant illuminate the front drivers, and barely does anything for the rear drivers
two ideas to fix this could be to either add and move the current driver light, or maybe add platforms to put lanterns?
silver prairie
Jesus Fucking Christ Satiric, took 1400 tons out of the steel mill to the harbor (without rain), the loco managed to go at bloody 50 kph up the grade without any noticeable struggle
tender root
two ideas to fix this could be to either add and move the current driver light, ...
lanterns would probably fall off unfortunately. could look into adding another light
tender root
Jesus Fucking Christ Satiric, took 1400 tons out of the steel mill to the harbor...
yeah the limitation isn't the locomotive, but the job spawning system lmao
gotta go all the way across the map if you want to push it to its limits without spawning stuff in
ornate spindle
yeah the limitation isn't the locomotive, but the job spawning system lmao
The limitation is the fuel,
ornate spindle
It is,
Definitely need a coast to coast tender though,
I run out of coal way to quickly, I know I’m not running at peak efficiency but man,
silver prairie
The limitation is the fuel,
I mean, thats more on the operators skill has I have 10.1 water left (forgot the injector) and 20 something coal after the run.
ornate spindle
I mean, thats more on the operators skill has I have 10.1 water left (forgot the...
I mean, I was expecting to do a whole trip from CSW to MB to HB to CSW,
Did not work out.
silver prairie
I mean, I was expecting to do a whole trip from CSW to MB to HB to CSW,
MB?
ornate spindle
Military base,
ornate spindle
Definitely need a coast to coast tender though,
Right here,
silver prairie
oh, i'm blind
shadow raft
S282 Coast to Coast tender (real)
plush kraken
Yes
silver prairie
yes
shadow raft
Look at him go lmao
plush kraken
Magic technology
plush kraken
Look at him go lmao
Yes need
shadow raft
Well it'd need actual models first.
ornate spindle
Look at him go lmao
I need this,
plush kraken
Wait does the aux tender work with the s282 without the main tneder
ornate spindle
Probably should be a bit smaller,
plush kraken
Like a replacement tender
ornate spindle
Like a replacement tender
No idea,
plush kraken
I need
tender root
Wait does the aux tender work with the s282 without the main tneder
maybe if you coupled it to the front. Wouldn't have any coal though
ornate spindle
Look at him go lmao
Coast to coast tenders should be the same length as the loco they are made for im pretty sure.
plush kraken
I might try make a large map in mapofy of I get too bored this weekend
plush kraken
maybe if you coupled it to the front. Wouldn't have any coal though
Cab forward s282?
shadow raft
I just doubled up the scale and copied the bogies, let me see the actual length
Dammit wiki doesn't have it
plush kraken
I think the vanilla tender is 0.75 of loco
shadow raft
Ah it does
plush kraken
Looks to be about that anyeay
ornate spindle
I think the vanilla tender is 0.75 of loco
Yeah, that’s usually the normal proportions for loco’s
shadow raft
13.15m loco, 8m tender, thus 16m C2C tender.
ornate spindle
The tender is usually 2/3 the size of the loco,
ornate spindle
13.15m loco, 8m tender, thus 16m C2C tender.
Probably should make it the same length,
Like exactly 13m
plush kraken
Yeah, that’s usually the normal proportions for loco’s
Didn't know there was like proper proportions for things like that
ornate spindle
Didn't know there was like proper proportions for things like that
I mean just look at any picture of a locomotive from the side
plush kraken
True
ornate spindle
The tender is almost always 2/3 the size,
Unless it’s just as long as the locomotive,
rich steeple
Look at him go lmao
This is the fk around and find out type of tender.
ornate spindle
This is the fk around and find out type of tender.
The second it hits a turn,
rich steeple
Would 100% have to make custom bogies.
ornate spindle
Didn't know there was like proper proportions for things like that
Even the big boy applies
About half the size,
Just a bit more the half,
tender root
PRR long haul tenders were very long though
shadow raft
Measured that one, comes out to almost 1:1
ornate spindle
When we get proper CCL support I could add this thing as a joke.
I was just chatting with lass, about admirals coast to coast tenders,
rich steeple
Builder: how long would you like your tender?
Prr: yes