Rearranged SH282, an idea that became a mod, that we pester satiric for. *occasionally*

[ornate spindle]

But eh

Actually,

Wait-

GREAT SCOTT

@tender root I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT!

[rich steeple]

Uh oh-

[ornate spindle]

How to make ARTICULATION!

AND INDEPENDENT SLIPPING!

[tender root]

yes?

[ornate spindle]

Basically make a second “locomotive” that is just a wheel arrangement, and reuse MU code and connect the two engine, and then reuse the same code that spawns in both the S282A and S282B and make it spawn in the tender the engine, and the second set of wheels

[tender root]

the tricky bit is making steam pass through the MU cable

[ornate spindle]

True,

But it would have the same logic as that one articulated tank engine

I am trying to find the clip

[tender root]

yeah I know the one you mean

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

It would basically be like that,

In paper I fail to see how that could fail,

[tender root]

It's either a lot of fiddling with simulation code, or a lot of fiddling with MU code

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

[tender root]

MU also causes weird annoyances with having to make sure that both bits of the locomotive spawn at the same time and get deleted at the same time

[ornate spindle]

True,

[tender root]

well it's a problem for Future Satiric

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

It was just a theory,

For now it will be,

[tender root]

RN I can just double the amount of cylinders, which doubles the number of chuff sounds, and they will all slip together

[ornate spindle]

You should properly just focus on working on making the mod playable for the base game.

I wish I could pin things.

Especially concerning this is technically my own thread.

It would be helpful to pin stuff like the actual Nexus Link,

Or important stuff to pin,

[ornate spindle]

Like this,

Actually what was the duplex wheel arrangement again?

The planned ones

[tender root]

2-4-4-2 and 4-4-4-4 for sure

[ornate spindle]

Ah,

Could you post the renders again?

Mainly because I can’t find them

Because they aren’t pinned

[tender root]

They're gonna look significantly different than in those renders. Don't want to spoil it

[ornate spindle]

Alright,

Also this is cursed.

[tender root]

lol that's some bachman shit

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

Apparently it’s an actual livery?

I doubt that,

[tender root]

From the diesels maybe? Never seen it before but it could be

[ornate spindle]

Like this is or something?

…actually these are both cursed.

They gotta be fake.

[shadow raft]

Once CCL supports locos I'll also be touching that stuff.

Since I want to make articulated work.

[tender root]

Looks like it's this livery, the "Congressional" livery

[ornate spindle]

Actually if that’s the case in the mean time you could make a PRR T-1 Streamline for the SH282

So it can coincide with this,

I have seen a Streamlined SH282 floating around.

[tender root]

Yeah aeugh was working on it

[ornate spindle]

I was planning on using it with this ones the Duplexes come out.

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

But an actual T-1 Streamline version would be nice.

Actually that makes me think, does stuff like the Streamline models replace the normal mech or does it basically make a new one?

[shadow raft]

Neither

[tender root]

It's an addition on top

[ornate spindle]

…would it be possible to to complete replace it?

[tender root]

I'm working on a mod that splits up the S282 mesh so that bits and pieces can be added or subtracted while still maybe making mods compatible with one another

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

[shadow raft]

At that point just make an entirely new loco from scratch.

[ornate spindle]

…we can’t-

[tender root]

Compatibility is the issue here: if I want to move the cylinders, and another person wants to change the whistle, right now there's no way to do that

[ornate spindle]

Also it’s the same reason why this mod exists,

Shortcuts,

[tender root]

I think there's room for both this and CCL locomotives, I don't think they compete with one another

[ornate spindle]

If someone wants a “Really crappy Berkshire” they can now with this mod and a C&O skin.

[shadow raft]

No it's just that if you're replacing literally everything, you go with CCL.

[ornate spindle]

They don’t need to ask someone to make a completely new engine.

[ornate spindle]

I was just wondering about that is all,

If it was possible, not if it was a waste of time.

[shadow raft]

And if you want the articulated separate part that's almost 100% gonna need CCL.

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

Absolutely would,

It would be it’s own engine

[shadow raft]

Could you rearrange into a new locomotive that is the articulated part? Maybe.

[ornate spindle]

No amount of work arounds would be logical,

[tender root]

I think there's a way to do it without CCL but as I said it it's something for Future Satiric to dig into

I think it should be possible to put the front engineset into the S282's front bogie

[ornate spindle]

But stuff like making an engine longer, (Aka a possible SH280082) existing would be an example of just replacing stuff like that,

actually,

would a T-1 Version of the SH282 be possable?

[tender root]

Just about any change to the S282 is possible with enough effort, the question is where do I put my time

[ornate spindle]

fixing the mod currently?

Making random stuff!

[tender root]

that's what I'm working on right now

[ornate spindle]

Making random stuff?

[tender root]

fixing the mod I mean lol

[ornate spindle]

Ah-

well after that you should take a break

[tender root]

I mean I was just on vacation for the last week

[ornate spindle]

...oh,

then back to the grind?

[tender root]

yup

[ornate spindle]

....Eh, What the next thing should really be is seprating the mesh,

so people can finally make things like headlamps,

[tender root]

yeah most of that work is done thankfully

[ornate spindle]

and alternative fireboxes,

etc,

[tender root]

Been working on it alongside these bug fixes

[ornate spindle]

one thing I really want is a cab with the door on the left hand side.

thats it.

it should exist.

[tender root]

That should be possible with no mesh changes

[ornate spindle]

I am tired of pretending it shouldn't.

a person should not need to 'dash' to the roof and then jump down to the running board just to turn on the air breaks

like the only way to climb onto the SH282 is by dashing onto it.

[shadow raft]

Well, you'd turn that one before moving.

[ornate spindle]

with a proper door a person would be able to enter the cab from the front

[ornate spindle]

fair enough-

[tender root]

oh you're talking about the doors on the front

[ornate spindle]

yeah,

in the cab

like on actuall american locos?

[tender root]

I thought you were talking about doors like the ones the S060 has

[ornate spindle]

nope.

[tender root]

To be fair plenty don't have those

[shadow raft]

And don't forget

[ornate spindle]

#1144374875872571512 message

this thing I mean this,

doors here.

that would be so nice.

and convent.

like on the DE6.

[tender root]

Would require a few code changes but you could mostly just reuse the window code

[rich steeple]

Wider running boards

[ornate spindle]

They are wide enough,

[shadow raft]

Replace the window with a door I guess.

[rich steeple]

Not in my opinion-

[ornate spindle]

there is a step in the cab for this,

its like there is meant to be a door there,

besides how else are you meant to change a lightbulb while on a moving train?

Actually that would be a fun mod,

Having to replace the lightbulb on engines

That feels like it would be in the base game-

I’m getting distracted.

[solid elbow]

Who would do that?

[rich steeple]

2 idiots who told a child to drive a train

[solid elbow]

I don’t get the reference

[rich steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-smokeys-beard-smokey-conductor-hero-boy-chris-gif-19503846

[solid elbow]

Oh right

I watched it so long ago I forgot basically everything about it

Except the time where they went up a mountain in circles, and the cars bent around the mountain

[rich steeple]

Or the ice lake scene-

[solid elbow]

And, of course,

https://tenor.com/view/dab-polar-express-polar-conductor-gif-13196885

[rich steeple]

That man's dabbed before it was popular

[solid elbow]

Just noticed that now lol

10 years or so after I watched the movie

[ornate spindle]

That is actually possible.

I have drifted a locomotive using nothing but the throttle and reverser

I mean it was in G-mod but still

It is possible.

The ice on the other hand…

That’s impossible

[rich steeple]

If it was a smaller locomotive yes the ice would be possible drifting . . .? Maybe....?

[ornate spindle]

Well no it isn’t impossible,

It just would be impossible.

You would need ice about 22 feet thick.

[rich steeple]

There was trains on ice (not directly( in the early lighter days of steam

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

But for just the engine alone you would need 22 feet of solid ice

[solid elbow]

Hyce and Physigist are confident the actual polar express loco could drive on ice, provided it is packed ice or something

@ashen coyote

I forgor

[tender root]

Pushed a new update that should make the mod work as it did before. Can someone verify that the new update, v1.1.4, is working for them?

[ornate spindle]

I was more worried about actually steaeing a locomotive.

[ornate spindle]

Alright.

[tender root]

Want to make sure it works before I post in #mods-news

[ornate spindle]

Downloading it now.

[tender root]

Sweet, thanks

[ornate spindle]

It works

tested most of if not all the wheel configs

nothing seems broken,

[tender root]

sick. thanks for testing that out

[inland garnet]

yay!!!

thank you satiric!!!!!

[ornate spindle]

Just in time too,

Locomotive faces are out,

And I have been meaning to go on a long express run.

With a blue Pacific

[inland garnet]

the blue comet livery could suffice

although there is a solid blue S282 livery somewhere

[ornate spindle]

There is,

[tender root]

Way back in the day there was this thing. Not compatible with the recent versions of the game though

[ornate spindle]

I never understood what that was mean to be

Such a weird livery.

[tender root]

just a meme I guess

[ornate spindle]

…

How is that a meme?

What is it based on?

[tender root]

Was just made for fun

[rich steeple]

The decal on the tender reminds me of the machines that print designs of coins.

[thorny thorn]

It's a livery that GG1 4800 wore for a while.

[lucid aspen]

Nope.

[thorny thorn]

Ok well this is 4866, but it's better known on 4800.

[thorny thorn]

They mean the livery, not the loco.

[lucid aspen]

Ahhh

My mom says I'm special.

[thorny thorn]

Which in this case is just PRR Tuscan Red, the T1s never wore it so it is a tad cursed.

Oh I see someone beat me to the GG1 thing.

Note to self, read

[wanton lake]

S1 did it better

[thorny thorn]

Ok I think I was getting the Congressional livery mixed up with 4800's AMERICA look

[thorny thorn]

Yes and no

Mostly no

[wanton lake]

ooooooooooooo

ugly

[lucid aspen]

Say whaaaa

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[wanton lake]

it looks like a dick

[thorny thorn]

Both locos slipped to all hell, but the S1 was severely restricted by its length (which was a result of the PRR wanting to show off).

Although the S1 was well liked by crews, and an excellent runner.

[thorny thorn]

And the S1 doesn't?

[wanton lake]

S1 looks like a dick with style

[thorny thorn]

Ok fair

I do prefer the S1's look over the T1, but the T1 is just so damn interesting.

All the little differences between 6110 and 6111, and the productions Ts.

Then there's the T1a which was fitted with walschaerts over oscillating poppets.

And finally 5500 later in life, when she received rotary poppets and became the definitive best of the T1s (mechanically speaking)

But, end of steam on the PRR and all that, 5500's improvements didn't make it onto others of the class.

[ornate spindle]

Finally,

[tender root]

looks weird seeing a TTTE engine with a headlight

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

But this is the second reason why I wanted a Rearrangement mod

That next to the biblically Accurate Polar Express,

Can’t beat either of these

[tender root]

If only we could get the snow back

[ornate spindle]

I thought the team was going to do something this year?

[short void]

Is that the fucking flying kipper?

[ornate spindle]

No it’s the Flying Black Powder.

[short void]

It’s going to be flying alright

[ornate spindle]

Over 200000 tons of ammunition

My dreams have finally been fulfilled

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[ornate spindle]

The train is the length of the entirety of IME

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-gif-10673109260563651620

[ornate spindle]

And uhhh

I don’t think the breaks work anymore.

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/mati-bodoh-bangang-keranda-menari-gif-16794417

[still spoke]

As Hyce says "We die like men!"

[ornate spindle]

HIGH BALLLL!!!!

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

[ornate spindle]

Nope! not sleeping tonight.

not at all,

[wanton lake]

u weren't supposed to

[ornate spindle]

?

[wanton lake]

u weren't supposed to sleep tonight

[ornate spindle]

I see,

[lavish nacelle]

Adhesion seems lower overall

[tender root]

hmm, all I changed was the way the texture changes when exposions happen. There might have been some physics tweaks in DV's update though

[nova cove]

hehe red t1 i like

[ornate spindle]

I don’t.

[ornate spindle]

#1136022730697867325 message

It exists.

Technically.

Barely,

But it exists.

Works for steam.

[tender root]

That just syncs the controls, it doesn't pass steam through the MU cable

[ornate spindle]

It’s a start.

[tender root]

but that's what I mean about "the tricky bit"

[ornate spindle]

I swear MU doesn’t seem that hard to implement in theory.

But in practice…

[shadow raft]

theory

[tender root]

It's not just MU. You're moving a resource between one locomotive to another, that's not something that's implemented in the game

[shadow raft]

Zeibach has already mentioned a good possibility, it's just a matter of waiting for CCL before I implement that.

[ornate spindle]

Wouldn’t it just be this code but only for two specific locomotives?

That shares everything?

[ornate spindle]

I mean the code does exist. Like for the injector.

[tender root]

true I forgot about the injector

[ornate spindle]

The code from the tender and the loco is data being shared

Wouldn’t it just be “Drag and drop”?

Well the part of the code that identifies a tender

[tender root]

In theory yes. Half the battle is finding which bits of code to connect up

[ornate spindle]

Yeah…..

Even if I spent day in and day out reading the code I wouldn’t know what I’m looking for.

Or where.

[shadow raft]

There are at least 3 ways I've thought of:

1. Double loco (hell to sync)
2. Double loco but hijacking boilers to copy one to the other, rest works as normal
3. Slug, torque transmission only.

Last one is what Zeibach mentioned.

[ornate spindle]

Actually.

Slug would work.

The logic for the slug would work

[shadow raft]

Actually make that 4 ways, the final one is just having 1 loco with the articulated part being a dummy.

[ornate spindle]

That’s been done.

[tender root]

Or you have 1 loco and you add extra instances of the ReciprocatingSteamEngine and Traction classes

Then you also have a chance at simulating Mallets properly

[ornate spindle]

I guess there is plenty of shortcuts.

[shadow raft]

It's all shortcuts.

[ornate spindle]

Why because doing it properly is illegal?

[tender root]

This would be doing it properly as far as I can tell

[shadow raft]

Nah the game just doesn't have support for a fully legit solution.

[ornate spindle]

…would you mind dumbing down what this means for me?

[shadow raft]

Because of the 2 bogies.

If you want that part to rotate and the coupler with it, you need 2 separate vehicles.

You cannot put couplers on bogies.

[ornate spindle]

I mean is it not this?

[tender root]

Bet you can if you massage the code enough

[ornate spindle]

It’s not a bogie,

[tender root]

Wouldn't be able to do it with just CCL but you're already gonna need a custom coded mod

[tender root]

The game would think it's a bogie

The S282 has two bogies in the game

[ornate spindle]

…what is the SH282b?

[tender root]

that's the tender

[ornate spindle]

What is it classified as.

[tender root]

It's a locomotive technically

[shadow raft]

The thing is the couplers need a fixed distance between them, there's just a z value stored so it also assumes they are always in the same line with the wagon.

[tender root]

but without a boiler, firebox etc

[ornate spindle]

So does this not apply?

[tender root]

Could be possible to update this dynamically

[ornate spindle]

It’s a locomotive technically, but it’s basically just a slug.

[shadow raft]

I only took a quick glance at the car code, and it doesn't look feasible in the least.

[tender root]

For the length code, I think you should just have to make TrainCar._frontCouplerAnchor a child of the front bogie. Would probably need to patch the getter in TrainCar.FrontCouplerAnchor.

from messing around with runtime unity editor, it doesn't seem to do funky things to the physics when changing the location of the front coupler anchor

TrainCar doesn't actually store the length between the couplers, it dynamically calculates it whenever it needs to

[ornate spindle]

What kinda funky things?

[tender root]

I meant that it doesn't seem to do anything strange. I expected it to glitch out a bit (like, if you move the bogies on a locomotive it jumps around a little) but it seems to work just fine.

But I didn't look too in depth on it

[ornate spindle]

Huh.

Well you can always shovel em on ‘2.2.4’ version’s problems.

[ornate spindle]

I can’t wait for the duplexes, because then you will finally continue making standard wheel arrangements

I mainly just want a high speed Berkshire

Afterall Christmas is coming up, and 1225 is finally up to steam again

https://youtu.be/VN5_IQjNDGQ?si=ypqZR8UaGVarX8iZ

[silver prairie]

Can't wait for the duplexes has well, will be fun having 2x the power at the cost of the loco being less free steaming

[ornate spindle]

I don’t actually care about the power

I just want speed

SPEEEEEEDDDD

[shadow raft]

Speaking of 1225, @tender root you think you can yank a default bogie from wagons and use it as the rear one?

Though I haven't really tested to see if it'd even fit.

[ornate spindle]

That would be nice.

[tender root]

I could, might look a little strange though

[ornate spindle]

Weird but nice, actually you should try using the DE2

[tender root]

Ideally we'd just make a new model

[shadow raft]

DE2 doesn't have bogies per see unfortunately.

[ornate spindle]

It’s Cheeper to recycle.

[shadow raft]

They're actually part of the main body mesh.

Only the wheels themselves are separate.

[tender root]

I've been thinking about boosters too, might be a cool addition

Another thing for Future Satiric to think about

[ornate spindle]

What’s a booster?

Nevermind

Looked it up

[tender root]

Yeah it's a small steam engine on the trailing truck (or on the front truck of the tender) that provides a little extra tractive effort when starting

[ornate spindle]

I’m guessing it eventually turns itself off at speed.

[tender root]

Sometimes yeah

[ornate spindle]

Also that is a wacky little thing

It would probably only fit on the S282

How would you even activate it?

A another valve on the “turret”?

[tender root]

yeah another valve in the cab

There's also this thing. I can only find pictures of models, so IDK if it was a real thing or not

Would require a bunch of mesh editing on the tender though

[shadow raft]

Gotta love the exhaust

[tender root]

That's how they did it on the triplexes too, can't imagine having to plumb it all the way up to the front

[silver prairie]

Real thing

[tender root]

heck yeah

[silver prairie]

There called powered tenders

[tender root]

Ah the model was mislabeled as a southern pacific but it's actually from the southern railway, that's why I couldn't find it

I know GN thought about making one but then eventually came to their senses before building it

[silver prairie]

It whould be nice to have a powered tender for the S282

[ornate spindle]

Hey when are you going to update your profile picture with the locomotive faces mod?

[fading sun]

thats a southern ms 1 i think

built for saluda

[silver prairie]

When the DRG 01 gets updated

[fading sun]

not gonna happen for months

katy is having to totally rewrite ccl

[ornate spindle]

…I don’t think you could put a loco face on that regardless

[silver prairie]

I know

[ornate spindle]

Anyway I meant the actual mod

I’m sure you have seen it

[silver prairie]

Yea I have

[ornate spindle]

Well good news we might get a Auxiliary tender at some point, making the Duplex actually viable

[ornate spindle]

Hey satitrc. What is the wheel diameter of the normal SH282?

[tender root]

56"

[ornate spindle]

How large are the high speed?

[tender root]

67" i think? It's in the nexus mods page description

[ornate spindle]

Right,

Would it be possible to make the diameter 69"

(serious question here)

In general,

Would that fit on the SH282

[tender root]

Well, they're 82 inches on the x-4-x, so yeah it would be possible depending on the wheel arrangement

[ornate spindle]

2-8-4.

69"

[tender root]

Hmm, not sure. Would have to see how it looks

[ornate spindle]

Alright! I am curious too.

[ornate spindle]

The only reason why I ask is because it is the actual diameter for Berkshires.

[tender root]

Berkshires from which railroad?

[ornate spindle]

All of them.

They all had 69"

It would be mildly op to see a loco in the valley with 69,000lbs of tractive effort.

[tender root]

That is not every type of Berkshire, just 3 of the many kinds of Berkshire out there

[ornate spindle]

True.

I should have ment American Berkshire.

[ornate spindle]

All of their sisters had the same diameter

[tender root]

Even then, many American railroads had Berkshires that didn't have 69" wheels

[ornate spindle]

Seriously?

[tender root]

Check out steamlocomotive.com

[ornate spindle]

What Berkshire?

I only recall the ones the C&O rapidly produced

[ornate spindle]

I will.

Also why does the 2-8-4 have a Lower adhesion then the 2-8-2?

[tender root]

Less weight on the drivers

[ornate spindle]

Ah,

I guess there is no comically large firebox for the traillings to counter

Makes sense

[tender root]

Yeah some of the ones with 4 trailing axles look a little strange

[ornate spindle]

Funny how that kinda neuters the adhesion of the 4-8-4

Due to it not being heavier in the slightest

[tender root]

RN there's no reason to use the models with more leading and trailing wheels, although eventually I want to change the derail threshold depending on number of leading and trailing wheels

[ornate spindle]

And make it higher or lower?

[tender root]

So the 0-8-0 will derail at slower speeds to the 4-8-4

[ornate spindle]

Huh.

You could also made the locomotives actually heavier

[tender root]

Haven't figured out how to do it yet but it should be possible

[ornate spindle]

So one can pretend that “oh I do have a large firebox which makes the trailing wheels below me practical”

[tender root]

Hmm but the firebox still won't be visually larger

I think 2 axles below the cab is gonna look strange no matter what

[ornate spindle]

Like I said, pretend

[ornate spindle]

Do you have plans to make a 2-3-0+0-3-4

You would have to make the wheels really small I’d reckon

But do you have plans?

[tender root]

Like a garatt? Garratts aren't planned unfortunately. US-style articulateds might become a thing but they're a long way off if so (I want to finish duplexes, then do the S060, then articulated locomotives)

[ornate spindle]

No like like the American one

Let me find a picture

[ornate spindle]

#mods-development message

[tender root]

If I do articulated, the focus will probably be on 2-4-4-2 and 2-6-6-2

Maybe 2-6-8-0 because I like the GN

[tender root]

There goes my plan to convert the S060 into a tender engine... they didn't bother to model the bottom of the boiler lol

[ornate spindle]

I mean,

You could always ask somebody else to model it.

[tender root]

Hmm I wonder if I can just copy the top bit

[ornate spindle]

I have an idea.

Lower the entire body

And make it have a running board with wheel arches

[tender root]

hmm

[ornate spindle]

You could also make a J50 while your at it~

[tender root]

I like how you're thinking lol. With all the crap that would have to change with the front (cylinders etc), it might be easier to just copy the top part of the boiler down (hopefully the texture lines up OK)

J50 is different enough that it would have to be remodeled from scratch

[ornate spindle]

I just meant a really bad one.

[tender root]

hmm we'll see

[ornate spindle]

But it would be advisable to make inside cylinder variants.

[tender root]

And just hide them? No room for cylinders under here

[ornate spindle]

Yeah.

[rich steeple]

That is just wrong looking

[ornate spindle]

I don’t think it’s that cursed.

Besides.

[rich steeple]

It's the boiler gap that gets me.

[ornate spindle]

That are far more cursed things that currently exist in the valley.

[ornate spindle]

Shouldn’t the firebox be larger?

[tender root]

This is kinda what it should look like (picked a camera angle where it was harder to tell).

[tender root]

I think this is how big the firebox is

[ornate spindle]

That makes more sense.

[tender root]

So the front of the firebox would have to be modeled

[ornate spindle]

Steal the SH282’s

And do war crimes with it

[tender root]

hmm maybe

Here we go. Can see the firebox real well now that the fire is lit

And the interior is spawned in

[paper valve]

cursed

pretty neat, is it all being done by modifying vertices at runtime?

[tender root]

Yeah all done when the game loads

[paper valve]

thats neat

[tender root]

For the most part I'm trying to specify verticies by their coordinates, rather than their index in the array. The front of the S060 is going to be a pain the ass though, with how cramped it is

[paper valve]

hmm

yeah i hate modifying meshes at runtime, tried a few times then gave up

my only hope is the eula :)

[tender root]

got the S282 mostly done actually

well, not done, but releasable anyway

[ornate spindle]

What do you mean?

[tender root]

Everything in the external mesh that's not too hard to separate has been separated. Steam dome, sand dome, whistle, bell, dynamo, cylinders, etc

[paper valve]

oh neat

[ornate spindle]

Light?

I uh- I noticed light isn’t there.

Well headlamp.

[tender root]

headlight is separated from the smokebox door yeah

[ornate spindle]

Planning on doing cab controls?

[tender root]

Also the air tanks and air compressor, side walkways and stairs are separated, pilot, handrails. Maybe

Want to prioritize getting the duplex update released

Now that the cylinders are separated, they'll line up better with the wheel arrangements too. So the crosslide will actually line up with the piston

[ornate spindle]

I mean so people can make custom cab controls, like whistle pull cords, proper Johnson bar, etc,

[ornate spindle]

Plan to go back and line up the others?

Or saving that fix next year?

I wouldn’t blame you if you did

[tender root]

I see. Well adding stuff in is already possible. And removing the pull cord is easy, it's a completely separate mesh

[tender root]

yeah the old ones will line up with the cross slide. The valve gear will still be a bit cursed but we'll have to live with that

Separating the mesh into different gameobjects is the hard part. Once that is done, it's pretty easy to move stuff around wherever

[ornate spindle]

Will you change the tractive effort?

I mean some arrangements would have larger pistons now

[tender root]

piston size won't change

just the location of the cylinder

[ornate spindle]

You aren’t making them larger?

[tender root]

no the size is staying the same

Ignore the messed up brakes

[solid elbow]

Ooh

Paint

Cool

[tender root]

yeah the pinstripe PRR skin might be my favorite S282 skin

[ornate spindle]

Well you can reuse the old pilot style.

With the two really small close together wheels.

[ornate spindle]

But it does feel like it could be bigger.

The cylinder I mean,

[tender root]

maybe, I don't want to give the 4-4-0 too much power though

[ornate spindle]

Then again, you could always try shrinking the SH282.

Just collapse an entire boiler section and merge it.

[tender root]

I was thinking about that a while back. Or the opposite, stretching it by a boiler section. Idea generation is not the bottleneck unfortunately

[ornate spindle]

Oof.

I was wondering about that.

[nova cove]

1225 my beloved

[ornate spindle]

Speaking of which… satiric do you plan to render a high speed Berkshire with 69" drivers? Christmas is coming up~

[tender root]

Wiz is helping make custom wheel arrangements a thing so you'll be able to add it in yourself at some point (IDK if it'll be around before Christmas though). There's some clipping with the air tank with eight 69" wheels

And I'm not a huge fan of 2 trailing axles under the cab

[ornate spindle]

Huh.

I mean I don’t mind it.

[shadow raft]

Cursed short cab strikes again

[ornate spindle]

Yeah that’s the real problem

[tender root]

would have to screw around with the cross slide as well to reduce clipping

[shadow raft]

The default bogie doesn't look like it'll fit well...

[tender root]

the default bogie would also look strange as a trailing truck

it also looks weird having the trailing wheels being smaller than the tenders wheels IMO

[ornate spindle]

I mean you could try spacing the wheels closer.

But yeah I thought it would look better.

[tender root]

Possible but requires a custom siderod

[ornate spindle]

I’m guessing that’s more effort then you’re willingly to put in

[tender root]

TBH yeah

[ornate spindle]

Ah well, the “Biblically Accurate Berkshire” will have to wait for longer

[tender root]

RIP visibility

[silver prairie]

Visibility? What's that?

[sick vine]

Ya got side windows for a reason

[tender root]

can't see anything out of the front windows haha

[ornate spindle]

That looks amazing!

[tender root]

ton of work to do still on it. I just positioned an S060 right in front of the S282 and moved the tanks like 15 meters back lol

those tanks are actually scaled up by 20% in length and height, they looked a little tiny otherwise

IDK how the skinning is gonna work. They might just always have to be black

[shadow raft]

If you plan to be able to yoink the S060's drivers to the S282, you'll have access to its texture so...

[tender root]

I can yoink the texture but the green looks a little strange

[shadow raft]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It be a job for skinners

[tender root]

I guess it's not a big problem since 90% of S282 skins are gonna be all black anyway, so I can just make a black skin for the S060 and use that

[shadow raft]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

You might want to get Katy's input to see if Skin Manager would need a patch to grab custom S060 textures included in S282 skins.

[tender root]

It definitely would

[shadow raft]

Worst case scenario you'd need to redo the whole UVs.

Adapt to the S282's texture.

Store those UVs as an array then replace at runtime in the yanked model so you don't need to distribute it.

[tender root]

I know I can keep it on one custom texture, because the TTTE faces don't get screwed up when locomotive gets reskinned

I think a custom texture would look better than trying to get the S282's texture to work. I'd definitely loose the rivets along the edge of the tank

[shadow raft]

Yeah

But in that case I'd just use the S060's without UV changes.

Then it could also be used to repaint the drivers.

[tender root]

yeah, would just make a dark skin for the S060

oh yeah good point

[short void]

I don’t know what I’m looking at but I’m scared

[ornate spindle]

Are you planning on actually turning that into a tank engine?

[tender root]

That's the idea, might take a while though

[ornate spindle]

Well on the plus side you could make it compatible with the rerangement mod.

Because the wheels clipping into the tanks are normal.

[tender root]

Lol yeah

[ornate spindle]

Just tucked away

Although I should probably just be variants.

Like on the coms it says 2-6-4T

[tender root]

Yeah we'll see, hadn't decided how to do that yet

[ornate spindle]

Unless you plan to make it completely separate from the rearrangement mod

[tender root]

Might make it a separately spawned engine. If I only give it some of the wheel arrangements, people will inevitably ask me to add the rest in

And the list of wheel arrangements is long enough as it is

[ornate spindle]

Look man, I just want my high speed Berkshire.

That’s it.

That’s all I want for chrismas.

[short void]

And I wanted a challenger

[ornate spindle]

One of those is actually plausible for the valley. Can you tell which?

[tender root]

Defo the challenger

[ornate spindle]

. . .

[tender root]

Kidding haha

[ornate spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-chosen-one-the-one-the-chosen-one-gif-4608823

I was about to say

[short void]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/steamlocomotive/images/c/c6/UP3977.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120901190220

Express challenger now

[tender root]

Articulated stuff is on the to do list, but probably won't happen for a while

[short void]

Hear me out

That

What’s its function? We’ll find out

[ornate spindle]

Hold on hold on, Here Me out.

High speed express Berkshire.

I don’t care about the pulling power, I’m only gonna be pulling at most 12 coaches

I have places to be

Slowdown for the curve and then floor it again!

[ornate spindle]

I Really just wanna have a higher top-speed in a Berkshire.

[pine notch]

There goes my sleep

[pine notch]

RIP my sleep again

[lucid aspen]

The Berkshire is a beautiful locomotive.

One of my favorites.

[solid elbow]

My friend (who loves making fun of trains to annoy me) calls it the Berkshit

[lucid aspen]

Unfriend.

Immediately.

[short void]

Hear me out, pretty colors

[nova cove]

i hear ya

[sick vine]

Shapes and colors

[nova cove]

and driving wheels

[ornate spindle]

You should ask for a streamlined variant for the SH282

[nova cove]

can we have 4449 inspired streamlining

[ornate spindle]

If you ask for it?

[nova cove]

i just did

blud

[ornate spindle]

First of don’t call me “blud” secondly I didn’t mean here?

I meant like an actual suggestion

[nova cove]

sure

alr

[ornate spindle]

Because I don’t think anyone is looking for mod ideas in here of all places

[nova cove]

https://discordapp.com/channels/332511223536943105/1180611736060039168

[silver prairie]

Chart for Rearranged S282 tractive effort and adhesion on the Nexus Mods page?

And can someone post it here? (Can't find it)

[shadow raft]

Decapod

[tender root]

Yea

Recently found out that my value for cylinder diameter was off by like half an inch, but I can't be bothered to correct the numbers

[shadow raft]

smhmh

[tender root]

Cylinder diameter is 21.65 inches for some reason

[sick vine]

If i may ask satiric, hiwed the work on the duplexes coming along?

[tender root]

It's going OK. Working on UV mapping stuff, got some new components that I want to use the DV texture. Feature creep is building so I gotta choose what goes in the next update and what has to wait

[silver prairie]

What? doesn't the stock s282 have a tractive effort of like 220 kN?

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-look-gif-24835232

[short void]

Does it?

[silver prairie]

I'm confused, didn't a dev say a stock s282 have 220 kN of power?

Right here

[short void]

About….

But I see your point

Still long off

[tender root]

Like I said, my class in that spreadsheet are a bit off

[short void]

Ima guess it’s from the accommodation for lead and trail trucks

[tender root]

Hmm, even with my corrected numbers I'm getting 179.7 kN for the vanilla S282

Number of wheels does not affect tractive effort so it can't be that

Numbers might have changed between overhauled and simulator

Probably just a mistake in either my calcs or Z's calcs

[ornate spindle]

rock paper scissors for it.

[tender root]

Naturally my calcs are 100% perfect and there's no way they can be wrong this time

[short void]

Don’t think anybody would mind having more tractive effort outta these things

[tender root]

I want to keep the original balance of the game and scale things based off of that

[silver prairie]

Well, what whould be the real TE of x-12-x?

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-martincitopants-frog-guy-wait-a-minute-what-gif-2020217547017690538

[tender root]

214 kN

[silver prairie]

Thats still less then Z's 220 KN lol

[tender root]

Yeah IDK how he got that number

[silver prairie]

:/

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-oh-no-frog-martincitopants-gif-23859305

[ashen coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/mart-martincitopants-meme-yes-yes-meme-gif-24696272

[solid elbow]

The onion is invading

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/martincitopants-martincito-no-martincito-no-martincitopants-battlefield4-gif-22174544

[solid elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-martincito-pants-gif-24711268

[ornate spindle]

Who even is that.

[solid elbow]

Martincitopants

The beat of youtubers

His vids are basically fast paced shenanigans, memes and fun

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/mart-martincitopants-beanzone-bobux-discord-gif-21949370

[solid elbow]

Funni frog man

[ashen coyote]

Funni Aussie frog man who still has 5800km to drive in MSC

[silver prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-vein-thrombosis-martincitopants-gif-23560105

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-vein-thrombosis-martincitopants-gif-22443577

[solid elbow]

And that in the Satsuma, of all cars

[ashen coyote]

[solid elbow]

I love the decal he made

[shell briar]

so iv seen this tank-less 060 and taught id make a tender for it (this tender will be part of the Auxiliary tender mod me and @halcyon sonnet is developing ) so maybe our mods could work together at some point

[shadow raft]

I kinda wanted to make 3 axle tanker for it.

[gusty kestrel]

This has me wondering as to how many people use the front windows, I normally just hang out the side of the locomotive, if not just chill on the step, so I really dont use the front windows for more than teleporting onto the running board.

[fading sun]

So for the 060 tender engine idea

Would it just have a water tender

And keep the coal bunker

[ornate spindle]

No no-

[ornate spindle]

This thing.

It’s gonna be a whole tender engine.

I assume the rear of the cab wall is going to be removed

[ornate spindle]

And there is already a auxiliary tender being made for the SH282 which will be compatible with the SH060

[short void]

Basically this

[shell briar]

i mean you still can

[shadow raft]

Yeah that's true

[tender root]

Nice, that looks like a good size for it. The tenders should all be cross compatible, so even the S282 tender should work. So you guys could make multiple and release them separately, and people could use them on any steam locomotives they like.

[shell briar]

https://discord.com/channels/332511223536943105/1175509502443929682 you can see the progress on the Aux tender here if you are intrested

[tender root]

Oh yeah I was looking at that, that looks cool

The tankless S060 will have the rear drawbar of the S282, so as long as it has that it should work fine

[shell briar]

i cant wait for your mod release

[tender root]

Think the next update will just be duplexes plus some minor improvements, and the next main update after that will have the S060 stuff

[halcyon sonnet]

Are you doing anything to include the auto coupling logic of the 282A/B?

[tender root]

Was hoping to yeah. Haven't looked too closely at how the S282 tender coupling works

[halcyon sonnet]

It's been a while myself - but IIRC it's an additional component on the traincar - so probably can add that component at runtime and have it "just work"

(how I'm hoping to approach replacement tenders with the aux tenders mod - we're hoping to add a tender with higher coal capacity to pair with aux tenders for absolutely insane range)

honestly, we should talk at some point about synergy between the mods as you are doing more with the 060 and I'm doing stuff to get these things to spawn in career and be fully usable in that mode.

[tender root]

Yeah hadn't decided yet how an S060 tankless or an S282T would work; I assume it would be easier on your end if they were separate locomotives?

Rather than just different wheel arrangements

[halcyon sonnet]

actually, it might boil down to simply:

• ability to uncouple a tender
• removal of the "tender" connection logic from the 282T and addition of it to the 060 tankless.
• Addition of a coal resource in the 282T and a "ShovelCoalPile" component (how it knows to get the coal when you shovel)
• removal of the shovel coal pile in the 060 tankless.

There's a couple of auxiliaries we're discussing - one is the generic water only one that already exists, then there's a couple of tender substitutes being worked on, and finally there's one that is a sort of "060 range booster" - has coal and water, but looks more like a regular car - coal would not be available while driving, but you can stop and the coal will get moved while stopped.

At least, that's the plan currently.

the first two steps would allow you to connect the 282 tender to the 060, as well as to swap out tenders

[tender root]

Right. I guess I'm wondering about the logic for that career spawning mod: would the S282T and the S060 tankless have to be added engines, or could they just be wheel arrangements of the existing S282A and S060?

[halcyon sonnet]

I'd say keep them as wheel arrangemetns.

the career spawning is going to target CCL but just provide a way to get designated CCL cars in career - much like work trains

(though technically it wouldn't be CCL exclusive - it'll be a component you add to the prefab)

[tender root]

Hmm I guess I probably want all wheel arrangements for with a tender and without. And you'd want to spawn a tender behind the S060 only if it's not a tank engine (same for the S282)

[halcyon sonnet]

I mean, you spawn the tender and it's not a tank engine - assuming you remove the "auto connect" component when that type, then they won't couple

kind of a "you can do it, but it'd be dumb and useless"

[tender root]

So you'd just spawn a tender for every S060?

[halcyon sonnet]

ah... no, it'd be up the user to do so with the comm radio

[tender root]

So the S060 tender engine shouldn't spawn in career then?

[halcyon sonnet]

wait, do you spawn the various variants in career?

[tender root]

Yeah

[halcyon sonnet]

I thought it always spawned as the standard, but you use the comm radio to switch them

[tender root]

There's an option for it in the settings. You can tell it to only spawn the vanilla S282, or you can tell it to spawn anything

[halcyon sonnet]

well, if you are overriding spawns, it should be doable to spawn a tender if you pick a tendered 282 - we'd just need to give you a preferred tender

and if our mod isn't installed, you spawn the 282 tender

... tenderd 060 I meant

[tender root]

Hopefully there's always enough room for a tender behind the S060

[halcyon sonnet]

so far everywhere it spawns in vanilla there is

barely

[tender root]

Nice

[halcyon sonnet]

wait

maybe not forest - I haven't been there in a while

might be worth looking into the logic that decides how to position the 282

[tender root]

Yeah I haven't looked into the locomotive spawn logic at all

[halcyon sonnet]

I bet you there's something that ensures the 282 spawns forward a bit instead of centered over the spawn point like the others do

cause the 282 with tender is about the same length (a little more) as the DE6, and they are usually pretty well lined up when spawned next to each other - which means the 282 main spawns forward a bit

[tender root]

Yeah that makes sene

Gonna force myself to think about this later cause I gotta work on duplexes first lol

[halcyon sonnet]

lol

priorities 🙂

[tender root]

Thanks for the help though

[halcyon sonnet]

I'm hoping to have working coal and water aux tenders soon - actual tender replacements will come after - but all of that is stuff I'm working on making functional. And of course @shell briar is doing a great job with modeling and the Unity stuff to make them work with CCL

[tender root]

Is the coal aux tender gonna have a stoker or something to feed the other tender?

Or just an imaginary fireman shoveling from one to the other?

[halcyon sonnet]

it'll only refill when stopped - so an imaginary crew shoveling coal over 🙂

[shadow raft]

Would be funny if you could just go over and grab shovels.

[tender root]

I think you can do that with regular tenders

[gusty kestrel]

.... shovel storage?

[halcyon sonnet]

you can

[shadow raft]

Yeah but from one tender to the other?

I know you can empty the shovel back in the same tender.

[tender root]

yeah one tender to another is possible

[shadow raft]

High speed shoveling action is go

[halcyon sonnet]

it takes a lot of shovels to refill the 060, even the golden shovel

I can't imagine refilling the 282 in anything reasonable for time

[shadow raft]

Well, with 1 expert shovel a minute consumption, if you can refill 10 shovels between them you get 10 more minutes.

[halcyon sonnet]

I mean... I suppose...

[shadow raft]

Honestly coal isn't much of an issue.

[halcyon sonnet]

I usually use it when parked - to refill an 060 from a 282 when I'm at a place without coal

[shadow raft]

Though, I don't have enough experience with the 060 to really tell.

Maybe next save.

[halcyon sonnet]

060 is where you'll actually notice coal capacity

it has enough capacity to do about 4 shunting jobs or one small - medium haul

[halcyon sonnet]

@tender root fwiw - the tender coupling behavior is in DV.SteamTenderAutoCoupleMechanism it appears - I think this is attached to the locootive as a component - it requires the car behind to be of type "tender" and then links it's rear coupler to the tender's forward coupler, and then wires up some interaction points for water and coal

I take part of that back, it doesn't connect anything - just triggers coupling - there must be something else that connects the water port for the injector

[tender root]

hmm, well I'll probably get the autocoupling working and then go from there

[thorny thorn]

No not the Q1

Oh that was from a while ago

I need to keep up with this thread better

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/martincitopants-beanzone-mart-gif-21949546

You’re lucky I don’t know how to actually make that stuff cause it would be over

[halcyon sonnet]

ok - just a thought... oil fired?

use diesel as an oil surrogate instead of coal?

[gusty kestrel]

Please do this

[tender root]

Oil is already a resource, no need to use diesel

Well, they don't specify what kind of oil... I doubt the stuff used for lubrication would be at all similar to the stuff used to fire steam locomotives

Though if you used diesel then you could use the existing fuel pump hoses

[ornate spindle]

All you need for a steam engine to work is something to boil steam.

Technically you could make a nuclear powered steam engine.

But it would be extremely inefficient.

You would be better off making a steam turbine locomotive nuclear powered, but I digress.

[tender root]

Right, but they aren't gonna fire on 150 weight or whatever they use for lubrication (aka, oils that need to be hot to flow)

I remember Hyce saying that they use some ridiculously thick oil for lubricating their engines

For the steam engines anyway. I sure hope they don't put that in the diesels haha

[shadow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/thicc-extra-thicc-dummy-thicc-too-thick-thick-gif-17320038

[tender root]

Lol

To answer the original question though, I think it would be possible to switch to oil firing but it would require some tweaks to the firebox code

Could maybe have it automatically switch based on which tender is behind it

[halcyon sonnet]

ooh, that'd be cool

make an oil tender

... ok, now I'm having ideas...

[shell briar]

😯

[gusty kestrel]

How is everyone's day in this thread?

[solid elbow]

I am very fed up with discord’s latest update

[velvet creek]

Would it be possible to add support for the s060 to like an 040 or even make it an 080 for ridiculous reasons.

[solid elbow]

Give it a tender, or else

[tender root]

both of those things are in the works, but won't be in the next update

[tender root]

So I figured out how to change the chances of derailing on just the S282, so that more leading or trailing axles means the S282 will derail less. Unfortunately, it doesn't actually change much. The 4-4-4 is now very hard to derail, but the cars and tender derail way before the locomotive...

I guess it still does the intended purpose for the 0-8-0 etc, those will still derail easier than the vanilla S282

But there will still be no benefit to more than 2 undriven axles 😩

[halcyon sonnet]

Plenty of benefit - solidly adhere to the rails while whipping ammunition into the oil well 😂

[tender root]

I guess the other way to do it would be to give the arrangements with 4 undriven axles the vanilla physics, and then everything else is worse than that

[swift island]

Im still in the old UI for some reason, should i be grateful?

[rich steeple]

Yes

[solid elbow]

very big yes

New one is straight up garbage

They removed the user list when you swipe right

Replacing it with a reply shortcut that somewhat feels invasive

(I feel like if I do any wrong move I do something bad)

Also, the channel names now don’t have capital letters anymore

And the symbols were changed from # to Aa

[swift island]

So does that mean "#altfuture" literally becomes "Aaaltfuture"?

Or

Aa altfuture?

[swift island]

That is horrible.

[solid elbow]

It is

And that small dot comes as soon as there is something I didn’t read, which also mildly infuriates me

As if the white dots left of the different server icons weren’t enough

And they moved the messages button

[swift island]

That ui actually looks so disgusting. Yeah i think im gonna be spending my last times with the old UI very sad i guess?

[solid elbow]

Previously discord mobile was just a scaled down version of the desktop version, making the switch pretty much seamless, now they fucked it all up

[solid elbow]

I find it way too dark

[swift island]

The message icon is removed? And moved?????

[solid elbow]

Yup

You can see it in the image I sent a minute ago

Also they have a "midnight" theme

[swift island]

Gonna miss this ui, might as wwell take a pic

[solid elbow]

I already miss the lighter grey

[swift island]

Gonna miss the secret one (the one where you get when you tap dark like 15 times)

[solid elbow]

Btw, r/discordapp is going berserk with how many people are outraged by this

[solid elbow]

Hold up

What

[swift island]

There was actually a secret theme like

Back then

[solid elbow]

I used discord for 3 years and never knew about it

[swift island]

Super dark mode i think it's called

[solid elbow]

So basically this?

[swift island]

Yes.

[solid elbow]

Now it’s just an option

Whatever you do, do not update the app

[swift island]

Understandable.

[solid elbow]

You are one of the few lucky ones that didn’t get basically shat on by discord

[broken lion]

is it only mobile or pc too

[rich steeple]

Mobile only

[rich steeple]

They wanted it to be
' better for mobile navigation '

[swift island]

Its the opposite.

It is, as Beef Technology said

[swift island]

.

[rich steeple]

Only good thing is the new side tab

[swift island]

Keyword :

Only

[rich steeple]

yeah. That it is easier to find pictures, links and pins.
But other then that. Meh.
And also, remember another app that did this and died?
Skype

[solid elbow]

Oh right

Reddit did worsened recently

Not much but a bit

[rich steeple]

Reddit has mostly always sucked-

[rich steeple]

@solid elbow the old ui is back

[solid elbow]

No it’s not

[rich steeple]

You gotta update the app

Nvm it's back

[swift island]

Lol

[rich steeple]

So clearly it's still in the code.

[silver prairie]

Hold on, would a S2442 wheel slip at the same power has a standard s282?

[solid elbow]

No

It has double the cyliders and half the traction per cylinder

[silver prairie]

But would it be like double heading two s282s but.. nvm your right.

My logic was that it would be like two s282s but only have one boiler supplying steam with the s282s having wheel arrangments of 2-4-0 and 0-4-2 and on the same frame.

[solid elbow]

Well

Either you have two engine sets that use steam from the boiler directly, which will use steam up at astronomical speeds, or you do like many duplexes, where the exhaust of one engine set fuels the next one

The second option is much more efficient

[silver prairie]

So compound duplex?

[ornate spindle]

I suggested this,

Anyway the plan is different.

The current plan for the duplexes is for it to slip as a whole unit.

[tender root]

Will have more power but more weight as well. And yeah it's a simple duplex cause that's easier to make happen haha

I do want to investigate making compound engines work in the simulation, but this will have to happen Later™️

[lavish nacelle]

Thats the best course of action i think, otherwise there is never a purpose to them

[lavish nacelle]

as of right now, cylinder wall interactions arent modelled, so just giving a loco twice the cylinder volume still makes it more efficient

There is 0 downside to putting the cutoff so that there is 0 steam pressure at the end of the stroke

drawing a vacuum isnt simulated, so there is no braking effect from that

As of right now, more cylinder volume makes a locomotive in DV better

more power and higher efficiency

[inland garnet]

tank engines are cool and all, but is this possible?

there's another cylinded under the cab

[tender root]

thought about it for the duplex but there's very little room under there. The cab is much lower on the S282 then many of the big American steam engines. On the S282, the bottom of the tender tank is about level with the cab floor, check out how different it is in that picture

That engine is also a compound, which is probably possible but a pain in the ass

[torn tide]

On a real note would doing this in real life double the tractive effort since you are doubling the piston size?

[short void]

Probably not

I think

[halcyon sonnet]

It'd double the available torque

that doesn't translate 1:1 to tractive effort, but it does translate some

[tender root]

no, compounds are weird

the rear cylinders exhaust into the front ones I think

oh wait that picture is the weird ass triple compound that the D&H had

yeah no way am I adding a 500 psi triple compound into Rearranged S282

[past flower]

exactly. when the steam expands in the cylinder, it releases its energy and power to the wheels, but will always have some energy left once exhausted. so compound engines make it possible to utilise the energy that would go to waste as exhaust steam. the exhaust from the high pressure cylinders will have considerably less energy and pressure. to compensate the loss of energy and pressure you have a secondary set of cylinders and pistons, with a larger diameter.

sorry if you got pinged twice, i just wanted to correct some inaccuracies in my previous message

[shell briar]

sorry in advance if it is already in here somewhere,
but
is it possible to have a 4-8-2 high speed variant for the S282

[tender root]

Not really, there's not a lot of room for the bigger drivers

[shell briar]

bummer all good then

[tender root]

That engine that was posted does that process twice. There's a high pressure cylinder, a medium pressure cylinder, and two low pressure cylinders

[past flower]

ok. not sure how it worked irl, but i guess it would have been able to move. from what i can figure, the locomotive seems to have been, at least in principle, a triple expansion steam engine. Titanics engines in locomotive form if you will. funny thing is, Titanics engines also had double low pressure cylinders.

[tender root]

Yeah, L. F. Loree is the name of the locomotive if you want to learn more

[past flower]

ok, thanks

wow, 500psi. thats a hell of a pressure, but needed considering its a triple expansion locomotive.

[proper turret]

dead chat

[silver prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-yes-gif-13721721

[halcyon sonnet]

It'll wake up - Satiric is still working on things but the holidays are upon us

[gusty kestrel]

cookies, galore

[short void]

Exactly

[tender root]

Which one looks better?

neither look great IMO

[shadow raft]

1st one

Do not

Ever

Put the wheels that close again

IDK why it's giving me such a strong feeling of rejection

[tender root]

Well I can move the pilot even farther forward and do this

[ornate spindle]

That’s interesting,

Oh satiric, that reminds me, how does a high speed Berkshire look with the current high speed wheel diameter for the High speed 2-8-2

[tender root]

Here's another angle

[ornate spindle]

I mean,

If the boiler was extended.

[tender root]

If I extend the boiler, then the cylinders move and I'm back to where I was

unless I extend just the smokebox

[ornate spindle]

Have them just do a big boy.

Have the tubes just…

Do a S bend

[silver prairie]

Kinda like the look of the s282 without the front steps

[tender root]

This is another option, using the wheels of the 4-12-2. But that also looks strange to me

[shadow raft]

g a p

[tender root]

This is possible but a lot of work

well I'll keep it the same for now and come back to it later

[ornate spindle]

Alright,

[tender root]

Looks OK. has the same leading axle problem as the 4-10-0

[ornate spindle]

That’s a 4-8-2

[tender root]

oops mixed up mountain and berkshire again

[ornate spindle]

A Berkshire is a 2-8-4

[tender root]

I can never remember which is which

[ornate spindle]

Actually a mountain isn’t that bad.

[ornate spindle]

I could co-exist in a world with that.

[ornate spindle]

It’s beautiful.

[tender root]

Will be in the next update

[silver prairie]

Hows the duplexes?

[ornate spindle]

I wonder if it will be in time for christmas,

[tender root]

I wonder too 😂

Depends how productive I can be

[gusty kestrel]

I personally say the first one purely because the existence of the stairs makes it feel whole, the second would be an instance of "could get used to".

[ornate spindle]

I mean as long as the pipe does this, the moved up smoke box can’t be that bad

[tender root]

Nvm can't extend just the smokebox, it doesn't have a separate set of triangles. So I'd have to extend the whole boiler which is a lot more work

[ornate spindle]

Guess you’ll have to save it for when you separate the mesh.

[tender root]

Can't even do it that way, because they're the same triangle. If I split up the triangle, then I have to redo the UV maps as well...

[ornate spindle]

Oof,

[gusty kestrel]

... On an alternate note, what about the running boards and the stairs? Or maybe attempt railings on the front and extend the pilot's platform? I'm unsure how difficult that would be to have as a change on the fly like how everything already does though.

[tender root]

Running board can't just be stretched because it's got a hole for the dry pipe

[ornate spindle]

Oh so that’s the name of that.

[tender root]

Well, I think that's the name

I've had to guess the names for a lot of things

[gusty kestrel]

What about the plate there on the pilot that the toolbox rests on?

[shadow raft]

Yeah model optimisation strikes again

[tender root]

Tried stretching the steps, but that looks a little strange. Right now that plate is part of the pilot, but I guess I could split it up and extend that plate

[shadow raft]

Long triangles when chopping up the LODs...

[ornate spindle]

those are some angry steps.

[tender root]

I haven't even bothered to chop up LOD2 and LOD3 because they're so far away that it doesn't even matter

[shadow raft]

lol

I have to for my short wagons 😔

[ornate spindle]

Hey Wiz,

Why don’t you have the modder role?

[solid elbow]

He didn’t release a mod yet

[shadow raft]

(technically released 2 test maps)

[solid elbow]

(technically not mods)

[ornate spindle]

Release the “DV war crime” as a joke.

[shadow raft]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They show up in UMM

lol

I will

But since we're kinda getting CCL working with locos...

[ornate spindle]

You know what I mean right?

[shadow raft]

It'll be after we finish that.

[ornate spindle]

Could just submit the model as rolling stock.

Just a dummy unit

As a joke.

Just to say it’s “in the game now”

[shadow raft]

Yeah

[gusty kestrel]

Oh, BTW, how is that going?

[ornate spindle]

So people stop asking,

[shadow raft]

Once the next version of CCL comes I could release it.

By then I can even have fake valve gear.

Since I've already managed to add custom wheel rotations and sizes.

[solid elbow]

This war crime?

[shadow raft]

Oh that one

[solid elbow]

Or the big boy?

[shadow raft]

🅱️🅱️

[solid elbow]

Btw it is now a 4-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-10-4 instead of a 4-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-4, so I can say it its an engine with 100 driving axle

[gusty kestrel]

Is it oil or coal fired?

[ornate spindle]

No this thing.

[solid elbow]

So the big boy

[solid elbow]

For gameplay reasons, oil. Irl, Cesium and H2O because I can’t use Francium as it is radioactive

[tender root]

"irl"

[solid elbow]

Yes