Rearranged SH282, an idea that became a mod, that we pester satiric for. *occasionally*

[nova cove]

1000 message

[ornate spindle]

I mean I suggested it.

Despise it looking cursed on the SH282

Just read up?

[wanton lake]

4-8-4+4-8-4 on the s282

[nova cove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920884873420496927/938472635770208276/FF294C0F-4270-4E55-B6F6-D3288F49993D-1-38.gif

[ornate spindle]

No that’s actually way to far.

[nova cove]

i want cursed wheel arrangements

[wanton lake]

why though

[nova cove]

i want the funny

no

the

funni

[ornate spindle]

Because that’s not funny?

[wanton lake]

4-8-4+4-8-4 is a real arrangement

[nova cove]

your humor is broken

see?

[ornate spindle]

Yes that’s too far,

[nova cove]

just get the santa fe 2-10-10-2

[ornate spindle]

There’s a limit

[wanton lake]

skill issue

[nova cove]

it exists

now add it

[wanton lake]

i want it

[ornate spindle]

No-

[ornate spindle]

Is that actually real?

[nova cove]

yep

it were a failure irl

but it's still loved

[nova cove]

BRAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS

where's the triplex

[ornate spindle]

No-

[wanton lake]

you triplexphobic or somethin

[nova cove]

he's phobic of everything that's cursed

[wanton lake]

apparently it couldn't do corners

it'd literally just pop off the track

[nova cove]

that ain't an issue in dv

MORE BRAAAAAASSSSSS

i want 2-2-0 now

[wanton lake]

how a bout a fuckin

4-8 8+4-8 8-4+ 8 8-4

[nova cove]

BAHAHAH

[nova cove]

yes

br

imagine if 2-8-2 tweaks added a camelback

cursed but also funni

[exotic dock]

im now all aboard the 6-2-0 train, such a funny locomotive also being local to me is hilarious

gimme my camden amboy

[solid elbow]

That would be an entirely new mod

And considering CCL isn’t fully updated that’s a fat no

Except if katycat makes CCL an actual custom car loader

[short void]

That’s what I’m trying to say

But the bigger picture clearly wasn’t in frame

[shadow raft]

A 2-2-2-2-2 triplex mmmm

[short void]

Uh oh

[solid elbow]

Pennsylvania Railroad T2

[lucid aspen]

Ooooo, I like.

Very chonky boi.

[solid elbow]

I legit thought this was an image of a real one in a shed

Until I double checked

[fervent scaffold]

it's a good shed ^.^ (took me like four days to build both halves... also the other side with the workshop is occupied by the diesels)

i might try changing the wheel arrangement on the BR18...

[tender root]

Hyce is streaming the Rearranged S282 mod tonight... I'm actually nervous lol

[wanton lake]

rearranged 282 in vanilla when

[ornate spindle]

Relax, I haven’t even watched the stream yet but I know it’s robust enough,

Unless it hasn’t come out yet,

Time zones are weird

I know his reaction to the 0-X-0 is going to be the same as mine.

[tender root]

Will start in an hour, +/- 30 min

[ornate spindle]

Hysterical laughter followed by “that’s not how that works- the SH282 lost its bogey privileges, this is so cursed.”

[tender root]

Tbh 0-8-0's etc kinda all look strange

[ornate spindle]

Literally my first reaction was “where the wheels go”

[ornate spindle]

They do!

Welp,I ’m sure the mod will be finnnnneeeee, unless you wanna impress em, by giving him a test build of the duplex or something,

[tender root]

Nah duplex isn't really ready yet unfortunately

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

Then everything is probably going to be fine,

[tender root]

If it was 90% ready, maybe

[ornate spindle]

That reminds me we should have someone pin the mod in here.

So people know it’s actually been made,

[tender root]

hmm not a bad idea

[ornate spindle]

See I told you everything is fine,

[tender root]

yeah glad he likes it

[ornate spindle]

well, once you work finsh the duplex, I'd reckon you take a break and work on a companion mod for this and make it variable tender length's, A mod like that seems mildly required to run the duplex, considering its expected consumption.

[tender root]

I'm thinking about making the cylinders smaller on the duplex to make it reasonable

[ornate spindle]

nah,

its apparent from the word 'duplex' that its going to be a money pit,

Might as well bite the bullet and go for the T-1 stats

even though there is nowhere on the map for it to get up to speed, nor is there a passenger mod yet

[tender root]

fair. The problem with 4 stock cylinders is that it becomes a wheelslip machine

[ornate spindle]

I’ve watched enough T-1 documentaries to know that’s intentional design.

totally

Also make it a rough ride in the cab

Just double down on everything that makes the ole T-1 bad and good

[tender root]

lol. Factor of adhesion would be 2.04 with stock cylinders. T1 was 4.33 for comparison

[ornate spindle]

5 inch cab sway

Then again, people just want the thing to exist, do what you want,

Make it a nightmare to handle,

Or make it somehow handle like the stock 282 with way more traction

But man, a extended tender mod with a streamlined mod, with the duplex! That would just heavenly,

[tender root]

yeah duplex will look sick

[wanton lake]

lemme do burnouts smh

i wonder how the duplex will be configured in terms of wheel offset

[ornate spindle]

Isn’t there a image of it?

[wanton lake]

only image iv seen is a prototype that still had the x-8-x rods

[ornate spindle]

Before you started going on a rant about other locomotives

This @wanton lake

[wanton lake]

tbf all the 0-x-x look kinda off

[ornate spindle]

also the creation of-

Might need to partner with the streamline mod to make a long boiler for it

[wanton lake]

is it even possible to edit the physical shale of a loco without CCL?

[tender root]

yeah you can replace the locomotive mesh

[ornate spindle]

Yeah, how do you think the stream line mod exists at all?

[tender root]

I think the stream liner mod currently doesn't change the locomotive mesh, it just adds things on top

[shadow raft]

So @tender root if you change the stroke length on the X-12-X, would it fix slipping? From what I saw this is how it is currently simulated.

[tender root]

It would, but then the 4-4-0's would have the same tractive effort as the 4-12-2

So there would be no point to using the 4-12-2 because it would be slower with the same tractive effort

Your picture is the way it is right now

[shadow raft]

The way it should be then.

Sow with TE not changing in this case, yeah...

But the slipping would force you into the long bois instead.

Or would that be same slip on all?

[tender root]

The problem isn't the tractive effort calcs, the problem is the adhesion. I think Simulator might base adhesion on individual axle weight rather than weight on all the drivers

[ornate spindle]

That reminds me, satiric, if you need someone to test stuff let me know, I don’t gotta job at the moment so I have plenty of free time roaming the rails of the valley.

[tender root]

good to know, I'll keep it in mind

[wanton lake]

same here

and I seem to be adept at breaking stuff

[ornate spindle]

Yeah, turns out there are two testers

The one that plays the game and test the mod in a normal session,

And the other that some how manages a a ram leak.

[wanton lake]

is there one that thrashes the loco around and abuses it

[ornate spindle]

That’s you,

[wanton lake]

yay

[ornate spindle]

That’s the ram leak

Or just data leak

[wanton lake]

my ram is just sad

iv got sad ram

[ornate spindle]

I once know a guy that somehow managed to blow up his pc while testing

It actually exploded

[wanton lake]

wh-

how?

[ornate spindle]

Guess he removed his limiters at some point

Or just clicked on “free faster processing”

[wanton lake]

isn't windows like designed to freeze before the PC itself breaks

[ornate spindle]

Wasn’t windows

[wanton lake]

Linux?

[ornate spindle]

It was his own “work”

[wanton lake]

oh nyo

[ornate spindle]

He guts Xbox 360’s and PC to shove into his Xbox 1

And somehow the Xbox thinks is a S/X

I have learnt not to question it anymore.

[wanton lake]

what kind of Frankenstein shit is this

[ornate spindle]

He at some point could run tf2 on his phone.

Once again I don’t question it,

[wanton lake]

iv seen doom ran on pregnancy tests

iv learnt not to question it either

anyway, i got class

cya

[ornate spindle]

Huh, well I’m free.

Guess that means there would always be someone on to test

[tender root]

Right now the braking performance seems to be constant for all locomotives. Do people think that's reasonable?

Haven't done any testing on this, it just seems to be that way from the code

[shadow raft]

Well

More wheels = more brake shoes = more braking power?

[tender root]

True, but the brake shoes are scaled up with the wheel size

[shadow raft]

True...

[tender root]

From a gameplay perspective, would people want it to change?

[shadow raft]

It honestly barely affects anything with the number of axles a train has in total.

[tender root]

I'm leaning towards no but i could be persuaded yes

[shadow raft]

Smaller trains would be affected more.

[tender root]

True, only changes performance when running light

[shadow raft]

If you find a way that isn't a hassle to change, I'd go for it.

[tender root]

Fast light trains, like passenger trains, would be harder to stop. But they're already hard to stop because of how fast they're going

[silver prairie]

and more braking power will cause the wheels to slide easier anyway

[tender root]

I will say, the same thing that makes the 4-4-4 slip more than the 4-4-0, should also make the 4-4-4 slip more under braking

[shadow raft]

Full realism on my shenanigans?

[tender root]

lol yup

[shadow raft]

Really funny how much of a beast the 4-4-0 is right now.

[tender root]

grateful to Hyce for letting me know that it was straight up wrong lol

[shadow raft]

BTW do you think you'll need to touch upon this for the duplex to be viable?
#mods-discussion message

[tender root]

hmm maybe

I'll have to play around with it

[wanton lake]

hmm

wouldn't larger wheels be harder to stop cause of inertia?

[tender root]

I think that would probably be negligible compared to the inertia of the train

[tender root]

Adhesion simulation should be a lot better in this version. Could one of you possibly double check this?

[wanton lake]

checking

[ornate spindle]

Alright,

[wanton lake]

what should i be looking out for in particular

[ornate spindle]

I do kinda have to go to bed soon, but.

[ornate spindle]

Same question, should I compare it to the normal 282?

[tender root]

x-4-x should wheelslip more than in previous versions and x-12-x should wheelslip less than in previous versions

2-8-2 should be exactly the same

[ornate spindle]

Alright,

[wanton lake]

righto

[ornate spindle]

I’m going to test the two on a grade,

[tender root]

This is what the tractive effort and factor of adhesion should feel like for each wheel arrangement

[ornate spindle]

Assuming Stan is testing on a flat

[wanton lake]

yeah

[tender root]

Tractive effort is in pounds in this table

[wanton lake]

god damit mapify

[tender root]

Can you send the log?

[wanton lake]

only log

[tender root]

The log file is more detailed, can you send that?

[wanton lake]

it usually fixes after relaunching

where would i find that again

[tender root]

%localappdata%low\Altfuture\Derail Valley

[wanton lake]

idk which so here's both

[ornate spindle]

I was thinking about testing the 282 with a load of 940,000kg

So I’m not just running light engine,

[wanton lake]

i can usually tell if rearranged is broke cause tweaks breaks aswell

ima do 4 rounds of tests

2 for 2-12-0

and 2 for 4-4-0

light and loaded

[ornate spindle]

Sadly I can’t test on mapify

Damm thing won’t work,

[tender root]

This is really strange. Something is screwing up and causing vanilla DV, S282 tweaks, and No Cable MU to all freak out

[wanton lake]

i just wanted a good flat straight

[ornate spindle]

I’ll start testing the Atlantic,

[wanton lake]

no wheelslip when full reg at launch

@tender root is it ment to exceed 85 under it's own power?

[tender root]

That's the 2-10-0?

[wanton lake]

i noticed it always caps at 85 when slipping

[wanton lake]

12

[tender root]

hmm lemme see

[wanton lake]

easily climbs to 105

wait im an idiot

i disabled traction failure

no wonder it didn't slip 🙃

[tender root]

ah yeah that would do it

[wanton lake]

still surprised how speedy it was though

[ornate spindle]

Well, the 4-4-2 under load can only reach around 82 on flat, I’m waiting to get to the grade

Then again, that’s with the turns and hell known as DV,

[tender root]

4-4-2 should be pretty darn fast when under light load, but it should bog down under even medium loads

[ornate spindle]

This is the load

I wouldn’t really call it light,

[tender root]

yeah should be pretty tricky to drive with that much

[ornate spindle]

Seems to run not fine at a happy 90 now.

Doesn’t seem right,

[tender root]

the x-4-x have 68% the power that the regular 2-8-2 has

[ornate spindle]

Should I give it more load then?

[silver prairie]

How much reg is needed to wheelslip a x-12-x?

[wanton lake]

not much

[ornate spindle]

Also it didn’t slip when starting,

It just took forever.

[tender root]

You can see on this chart. A standard 2-8-2 is at 4.5, a number below that means it slips more and a number above that means it slips less

[silver prairie]

What notice a x-12-x starts wheelslipping with sand?

[tender root]

IIRC they don't slip at all on the comfort difficulty

[ornate spindle]

Ah,

That explains a lot,

New save time!

[wanton lake]

2-12-0 still didn't slip when i turned on traction failure

on dry track*

[tender root]

should be able to change the difficulty on your existing save if you go into the main menu

[ornate spindle]

With realistic I’ll have to guess how I’m handling, but I don’t use the ui anyway….

[tender root]

They should slip fine on the standard difficulty, that's what I've been using

[ornate spindle]

Right,

[tender root]

and you can use the UI on standard

[ornate spindle]

Do they explode on standard?

[tender root]

yeah

[ornate spindle]

Not on comfort?

[tender root]

AFAIK yes

[ornate spindle]

I am a idiot

[ornate spindle]

Why did you mash your keyboard?

[tender root]

As Far As I Know

[wanton lake]

comfort is basically pre-simulator

minus wheelslip

[ornate spindle]

Right,

[wanton lake]

more weight on the drivers

[tender root]

you saying there should be more weight, or there is more weight?

[wanton lake]

there is more weight

[tender root]

Seems like it's working correctly then

[wanton lake]

moon walk: 442 edition

[ornate spindle]

Nevermind,

I’m in hell.

[tender root]

what do you mean?

[ornate spindle]

It’s slipping and sliding all over the place

[wanton lake]

the 440?

[ornate spindle]

And I just exploded-

442

[wanton lake]

yeah

they do that

[wanton lake]

you can make em moonwalk!

[ornate spindle]

Busy going nowhere,

[wanton lake]

what's a good car for load tests?

[ornate spindle]

Ammo.

That’s what I have been using,

[tender root]

The slug is also nice and heavy

[wanton lake]

125 tonn

[silver prairie]

Iron ore being the heaviest

[wanton lake]

600 tonn weight test

[ornate spindle]

2-12-2 slips under load but it doesn’t need sand

It’s goin places

[wanton lake]

i can't get the 2-12-0 to slip lol

[ornate spindle]

I’m slipping the second I remove the sander

[wanton lake]

not the fastest but it's movin

[tender root]

Is the diesel in dynamic brakes?

[wanton lake]

yes

[ornate spindle]

I slipped all over the places till I reached around 40

[wanton lake]

very minor slipping at 13 bar

[tender root]

Seems like basically everything slips at full throttle, full reverser

[ornate spindle]

Yeah,

Right I need to sleep,

[tender root]

OK. Any complaints, or shall I release it?

[wanton lake]

i have nothing so far

x-12-x is usable now

[ornate spindle]

Uhh, none that’s valuable.

[wanton lake]

iv only got personal complaints lol

[tender root]

The 4-4-0 seems to be doing pretty well there

considering

[wanton lake]

DE6 + 3 Slugs with full dynamic

[tender root]

Probably just one of those slugs is doing anything but still

[silver prairie]

so the 0-12-0 wouldn't wheelslip with max bar, full reverser and throttle?

[tender root]

Works that way on my end too. Seems reasonable, its factor of adhesion is 5.8

[wanton lake]

@tender root

[tender root]

Oh that doesn't do anything

Was gonna add that in but couldn't get it to work

[wanton lake]

i like how the pin impales the boiler on the x2x rods

[tender root]

lol yeah that's why I disabled it by default

[ornate spindle]

It’s stabbing the boiler to go faster

Like cowboy boots.

[wanton lake]

goofy amounts of overhang

[tender root]

Yeah it is a little strange

[silver prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[tender root]

with how I have that set up that's not easily fixable unfortunately

[wanton lake]

what isn't fixable

the overhang?

[tender root]

yeah

How the axles aren't under the locomotive

[wanton lake]

drifted it

front hit the coaches and somehow turned around

it was like this lol

game got confused so the animations didn't work

[solid elbow]

Now do not go back to the switch because you will release a demon

Assuming derailing is disabled

[wanton lake]

bit late

#dv-discussion message

[solid elbow]

#dv-valley-views message I did the same while trying to go offrail with the S060

[torn tide]

👉🏼👈🏼 when do we get the smoke deflectors

[tender root]

When the person working on them releases the mod

[torn tide]

Lol is the streamlined steamer I’ve seen images floating around of also in that same mod?

[tender root]

yeah

[torn tide]

Sick love all the attention Steamers be gettin

[ornate spindle]

Wish the cab was also streamlined

[torn tide]

And the ingenuity. Can’t make custom locos fine we’ll just modify what we got

[ornate spindle]

I know! Such a good idea.

[nova cove]

tender:

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[ornate spindle]

Ok fine, both

I wish both were

[solid elbow]

Reviving this post because why not?

[ornate spindle]

It never died?

[solid elbow]

If there is no new message for a while it removes itself from the list

[nova cove]

did the rearranger update to duplexes yet

[wanton lake]

no

there's no ETA

[ornate spindle]

ETA is between 09/04/2023 and the inevitable heat death of the universe.

[wanton lake]

april

[ornate spindle]

?

[nova cove]

i think it's coming in april

[wanton lake]

doubt

[ornate spindle]

What-

[wanton lake]

Satiric said it'd be before the end month iirc

[ornate spindle]

What does iirc mean?

[nova cove]

if i remember correctly

iirc

[ornate spindle]

You know we have a word for that right?

[wanton lake]

HOW HAVE YOU HAD A DISCORD ACCOUNT SINCE 2016 AND NOT KNOW WHAT "IIRC" MEANS

[ornate spindle]

People are stupid and illiterate.

[nova cove]

man if i put the streamlined s282 and duplex arrangement it'd be looking like this

[ornate spindle]

Why not just say…. I think?

Or probably?

[wanton lake]

cause we're not 50 year old boomers

[ornate spindle]

Must you shorten down words necessarily.

[nova cove]

true

[nova cove]

yes

[ornate spindle]

I’m not a boomer, and they are probably smarter than all of us.

[wanton lake]

makes typing easier

[ornate spindle]

So you’re lazy?

[wanton lake]

no

it just makes typing easier

[nova cove]

i mean

[ornate spindle]

You don’t have to do it.

[nova cove]

i'm not lazy enough to type "u" instead of "you"

[ornate spindle]

…

but your lazy enough to not capitalize the first letter in a sentence?

[wanton lake]

why should we

and if you mention anything bout grammar

[nova cove]

we're not writing the independence of declaration

[ornate spindle]

Because it’s grammatically correct,

[wanton lake]

this is discord

not linked in

[wanton lake]

"Because it's grammatically correct," 🤓

[ornate spindle]

At least hold yourself with a level of respect,

[wanton lake]

i do

[ornate spindle]

Nerds are smart, what would that make you?

[wanton lake]

5 billion IQ shitze poster

[ornate spindle]

…

[nova cove]

true

[ornate spindle]

what are you 12?

[wanton lake]

Oh the response i can give

[ornate spindle]

well you couldn’t give 12 as a answer without getting banned..

[nova cove]

okay first of all

[wanton lake]

i'd get banned for a different reason

[nova cove]

why are we doing this in a steam locomotive rearranger mod

[wanton lake]

dunno

[ornate spindle]

do I wanna know?

[nova cove]

do we bring this shit to the lounge

[ornate spindle]

No clue.

[wanton lake]

4-2-2 arrangement

[nova cove]

true

[wanton lake]

probably not

[ornate spindle]

I still hate that

I said it as a joke

[wanton lake]

i still wonder what arrangements we'll see on the 060

[ornate spindle]

2-6-0
0-6-2
2-6–2
0-8-0
2-2–0

[nova cove]

you forgot the 0-2-2

[wanton lake]

imagine a 0-4-2-0

[nova cove]

and the 0-2-0

[ornate spindle]

Why would that be made?

[ornate spindle]

HOW WOULD THAT BE MADE?!??

[wanton lake]

0-2-2s did exist

[nova cove]

it's a joke

[ornate spindle]

Please show me

[wanton lake]

stephenson's rocket was a 0-2-2

[ornate spindle]

I wanna see it

[nova cove]

how the hell do 2016 people not understand j o k e s

[nova cove]

yes

wasn't the john bull before the front plow a 0-2-2

[ornate spindle]

I don’t recall this being a standup comedy show?

[wanton lake]

and here's a replica

[ornate spindle]

Outside of that beauty…

[wanton lake]

juicy 0-2-2

[ornate spindle]

Any others?

[wanton lake]

what the fuck is this

[ornate spindle]

…

[wanton lake]

it's supposedly a 0-2-2?

[nova cove]

does the john bull without the front plow count

[nova cove]

erm

whar

[ornate spindle]

Can I say no?

[nova cove]

wo

[wanton lake]

wouldn't this be an 0-2-2-4

[ornate spindle]

… that fire box…

Whyyy

[nova cove]

i like mississippi

[ornate spindle]

there is no god

[wanton lake]

that's a 0-4-0

[ornate spindle]

only pain

[nova cove]

it's america god damn it

[nova cove]

i know

[nova cove]

what the fuck is england up to

[nova cove]

yes

[wanton lake]

THAT'S

FUCKIN

BIG

[ornate spindle]

This is worse then the fuckin “little engine that could”

[nova cove]

how

[ornate spindle]

This thing

0 comment.

[nova cove]

it's an 0-2-2

it counts

[ornate spindle]

That is not an engine.

[nova cove]

but that's cool

[wanton lake]

that's a boiler on a flimsy frame

[wanton lake]

got seeing it IRL hurts even more

[ornate spindle]

Exactly that’s what most of these are

[nova cove]

this thing is named "peppersass"

what

[wanton lake]

surely this is photoshop

[nova cove]

t1 has commited float

[wanton lake]

sir, i'll need the name of that locos o i can look at it

[ornate spindle]

Did- did they actually snort peppers up their ass while making and naming it is

[nova cove]

i like

[ornate spindle]

That’s funky lookin

[nova cove]

it's an e2

not the shunter tho

[ornate spindle]

Do you know how little that narrows things down?

[nova cove]

no

i don't use my brain for "narrowing" things down

[ornate spindle]

…that’s my point

[ornate spindle]

That’s a waste of a brain then..

[nova cove]

rdr2 thatcher perkins confirmed?

[ornate spindle]

That a 4-6-0

[nova cove]

that paint scheme was never seen

in rdr2

so that's weird

AW HELL NAW MAN

WHAT THE UF

FU

[ornate spindle]

That’s real, but that’s a game.

[ornate spindle]

You’re just posting games now…

[solid elbow]

This is #games territory

[thorny thorn]

The irony.

[ornate spindle]

That’s intentional, it’s a inner thought,

Unless you’re screaming in your own head?

[thorny thorn]

French broad gauge.

I have a personal saying...

"If it's weird, it's probably French"

[ornate spindle]

…

Huh

[thorny thorn]

Boooo get that Chance Rides shit outta here.

We only stand for the real C.P. Huntington in this house.

[ornate spindle]

Once again 0 comment

[thorny thorn]

I mean you can tell it takes inspiration but they're still very different

You can't disrespect such a dapper man.

We did have better singles though

507, better known as Lovett Eames, is my personal favorite Anerican single.

[solid elbow]

I know another american single

||yo mama||

[thorny thorn]

That was quite the har har funny.

[short void]

Oh hell nah

Little Thomas could definitely out pull that

[solid elbow]

What?

The american single?

The mama?

[short void]

Mhm

[thorny thorn]

It's almost as though a shunter is... Designed to pull things.

[short void]

Isn’t all locos designed to pull things, no?

[solid elbow]

No

[thorny thorn]

Singles are best at speed, they're slow to wake but once they get moving they move.

[thorny thorn]

Some are designed to push things :)

Most are designed to do both :))

[short void]

Fair point

Can’t argue with that

[solid elbow]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=11KRa3tsr-Q

[thorny thorn]

But you are right, we did abandon singles for that reason.

[solid elbow]

This one doesn’t pull but pushes

[thorny thorn]

They're just weak.

[short void]

I already surrendered damn

Forgot about that one

[solid elbow]

Bri’ish POWER

[thorny thorn]

A lot of 4-2-2s were rebuilt into 4-4-0s, so they didn't get much if at all bigger, but they saw huge gains in traction and oftentimes speed as well.

[short void]

So build more civil war locos

Let’s find a hammer forge

[solid elbow]

the general intensifies

[thorny thorn]

Nah it has to be I&GN 107 RAAAAA

[solid elbow]

Nah it has to be Eureka

Because narrow gauge good

[fading sun]

Sat is working on dupes iirc

[thorny thorn]

No it has to be I&GN 107 RAAAAA

[wanton lake]

it has to be something not american

[inland garnet]

just for that, you suck

jk its fine

[ornate spindle]

Hey @tender root question about the high speed variants, will there be a ETA for high speed Berkshire and a Consolidation

I shouldn’t have pinged should I

[wanton lake]

imagine Satiric was leading us on with the whole duplex thing and was actually completely redoing the mod so anyone could make whatever arrangement they wanted

[ornate spindle]

…

I mean that’s what I thought it was gonna be

Kinda like number manager

But

Wheels

[wanton lake]

would be cool if you could though

instead of satiric having to make every config people requested

they could do it themselves

idk how that would work in execution though

[ornate spindle]

“rgoufh” -Slug 2023

[solid elbow]

I already wanna make a 2-2-2 with two monumentally large wheels

And a 0-24-0 with tiny wheels

[tender root]

Nah I'm good with pings. My phone's always on silent so they don't wake me up or anything. There should already be a high speed consolidation in the mod. IDK about Berkshire, not a lot of space for the second leading axle

[tender root]

This is a really neat idea actually. I also have no idea how it would work. Perhaps the wheel arrangements could be stored in a config file somehow

[ornate spindle]

Wouldn’t it work the same way the number manager does?

[tender root]

Yeah the UI is the tricky part. in theory it would be possible to create an in-game editor, but that's a ton of UI work

Even making it work with the default UMM config system would be annoying

Would be easiest to just make a config file that stores all the data about the wheel arrangements (name, number of drivers, where the drivers go, etc), and then people could change it around with a text editor

[ornate spindle]

Yeah

Wait how do you make the wheel arrangements?

[shadow raft]

Sweat, blood and tears.

[tender root]

I'm copying and scaling the wheels around at run time. When you switch wheel arrangements, it converts whatever you currently have into an 0-8-0, then changes things from there

So it's all controlled in code right now https://github.com/pjschinske/dv-rearranged-S282/blob/main/RearrangedS282/WheelRearranger.cs

[ornate spindle]

Huh

[ornate spindle]

Is it bad I still want it?

[short void]

It already exists though, no?

[ornate spindle]

High speed Berkshire?

Nope

[wanton lake]

what arrangement is that again?

[ornate spindle]

2-8-4?

[tender root]

Oops, mixed up the names for 2-8-4 and 4-8-2 in my head... a Berkshire 2-8-4 probably wouldn't look too awful

[ornate spindle]

Oh

[wanton lake]

i want my 6-2-0

[ornate spindle]

NO!

[wanton lake]

y not

i want to do burnouts

[ornate spindle]

It’s a train-

[wanton lake]

but burnouts

funnily enough

the way we'd grind down the wheels on the XPTs

is burnouts

B)

lock the coach brakes

notch 8

[ornate spindle]

…

[wanton lake]

send metal shavings everywhere

i want meh 6-2-0

[shadow raft]

Evil crampton

[ornate spindle]

That isn’t real

[wanton lake]

it was funnily enough

[ornate spindle]

The. Fuck. It’s. Not.

[wanton lake]

C&A 6-2-0

[wanton lake]

main reason it failed should be obvious

if not

[ornate spindle]

…

[wanton lake]

it couldn't pull shit

[ornate spindle]

Speed?

[wanton lake]

dunno

probably not much due to the non existant adheasion

[shadow raft]

The C&A's management, on the other hand, thought it performed admirably enough to order two more of them and place them in passenger service. It was claimed that they could reach 60 m.p.h. at a time when fast trains reached only 40 m.p.h. The 6-2-0s were later rebuilt to 4-4-0s and were in use as late as 1865.

[wanton lake]

the guy loved his x-2-xs

there was this

a really funky 0-4-0

[ornate spindle]

yeah those are nice

[shadow raft]

Ah car

[solid elbow]

2-2-2

At the British Science Museum if anyone wants to see it by themselves

[ornate spindle]

I doubt it ever would. Anyway, now that the Passenger jobs are back, going high speeds in a Certain Berkshire will soon be in high demand..

[wanton lake]

wonder how long until copyright is so overbearing that a free mod for a niche little train game can be hit for copyright infringement

youtube videos already get hit for literally anything

fair use?

haven't heard of it

sounds like propaganda

[ornate spindle]

I’m currently flying down the rails at 120kmh and you’re talking about fair use?

I’d say enjoy it while you can!

[wanton lake]

open er up and let the heart of the beast be heard

[ornate spindle]

Yeah that’s what the is happening to the Berkshire….

All my lanterns keeps getting thrown around

[short void]

That’s not a mod issue

Placed objects on locos just like to slide over time

[ornate spindle]

I never said it was?

[short void]

Just saying

[ornate spindle]

Why say?

[short void]

Well you typed it in the mod’s chat mate…..

[ornate spindle]

I was replying to the comment before me..

[short void]

So I just assumed

[ornate spindle]

Think, not assume.

One of those will get you further in life.

[short void]

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

[ornate spindle]

I haven’t slept in two days

[short void]

I can tell

Don’t effect others with your grumpiness then, yes?

[ornate spindle]

Don’t make assumptions?

[wanton lake]

ladies please, don't argue

[short void]

Not like I said anything wrong

To be fair

[ornate spindle]

I mean technically no?

[short void]

Not did I accuse you of blaming the mod

That you assumed yourself

[ornate spindle]

There was context that is missing here

[wanton lake]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-go-touch-grass-angry-stupid-your-stupid-gif-22882371

[short void]

Eventually

[ornate spindle]

I haven’t it the last 3 years

Still going stronger

[short void]

Get some sunlight

[ornate spindle]

I do that.

I just don’t touch… dirt…

That’s weird.

[short void]

Earth’s seasoning

[ornate spindle]

And dirty.

I made a joke please laugh

please.

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[ornate spindle]

Thank you

[wanton lake]

now kiss each other and make up and be friends

[ornate spindle]

Ok

[short void]

Idk about that

[ornate spindle]

Wait kiss?

Wait wait wait-

[wanton lake]

doobious amounts of trolling

[ornate spindle]

Kiss me yourself coward

[wanton lake]

bet

[ornate spindle]

Wait wait-

[short void]

I hope that squid tries to “hentai” you again

[ornate spindle]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

[wanton lake]

i already ate it

[ornate spindle]

As a Asian I have no problems with this

[short void]

Course you did

Oh?

[wanton lake]

here's what consise was referencing @ornate spindle

i landed for 5 fucking seconds

[ornate spindle]

Does- does nobody read about me’s anymore?

[short void]

Nope

[ornate spindle]

Is that storm works?

[wanton lake]

yes

[short void]

Indeed

[wanton lake]

what's an about me

[ornate spindle]

Well how else Am I meant to read people’s genders?

[wanton lake]

refer to them as male by default

[short void]

about me is more of random quotes and shit first then actual information second

[ornate spindle]

….and if they aren’t?

[short void]

I’ll refer to them by their voice

[wanton lake]

bully the- i mean ask kindly

mine's a mess

[ornate spindle]

…FUCK YOU WHATS YOUR GENDER!

RAAAHHHHH

[wanton lake]

born male and proudly male B)

[ornate spindle]

I’m taking your lunch money kid!

[wanton lake]

IM NOT PAYING TAXES

[ornate spindle]

…

Good?

[ornate spindle]

But ehh anyway the comment was replying to this statement

[ornate spindle]

And also this

[thorny thorn]

LNWR "Problem" Class my beloved.

Oh hold on no

No that's different.

[short void]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/locomotive/images/3/3d/GNR_No._1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111116032955

How about this?

[ornate spindle]

Remember kids, if it’s on the NWR it’s probably a crappy engine

[wanton lake]

despite being the country where the train as invented

they have the most shit ones

i mean in quantity of shit engines

and trains for that matter

a literal fucking bus with train wheels

[short void]

The Great Northern will satisfy

[shadow raft]

Pacer my beloved

[wanton lake]

why does every bri'ish train have these lights

2 taillights

2 headlights that are never on at the same time and markers

[thorny thorn]

I see your Stirling Single and I raise you Dean Single

[short void]

Big piston rod look cooler

[thorny thorn]

(And one in color but Avalanche is weird)

[thorny thorn]

Internal motion > external motion

[short void]

You may win that

BUT

Cartoon character

Idk why it’s in poor quality mode but you get the point

[thorny thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mood-bad-gif-21277873

[short void]

I’ve done it now

[thorny thorn]

That is

A very ass model

[short void]

Oi

[wanton lake]

idk why but

iv always just wanted

to punch her in the face

[short void]

What she do to you?

[wanton lake]

be ugly

[ornate spindle]

Shouldn’t this be in #lounge

[short void]

Possibly

[ornate spindle]

Or literally anywhere but here

[short void]

Maybe

[thorny thorn]

God damnit I should've brought out the GER P43.

[short void]

It should

[thorny thorn]

True true

[wanton lake]

@tender root would a 2-2-2-2 duplex work lol

[ornate spindle]

Wasn’t he already making one?

[wanton lake]

closet iirc is the 2-4-4-2

[tender root]

Wasn't planning on 2-2-2-2

[ornate spindle]

Wait no, nevermind

[wanton lake]

oh god 42 trailling wheels

wonder how that'd look lol

[tender root]

2-2-2-2 would be possible but it's even more valve gear animation edits

[ornate spindle]

Wouldn’t that be basically a normal SH282

[wanton lake]

normal 282 and then you'd just get to the cab

then it's just extremely long to fit 42 trailing wheels

[tender root]

lol

[tender root]

Normal S282 would be closer to a 2-4-4-2

[ornate spindle]

Oh yeah.

[wanton lake]

im still wondering if the front and rear drivers will be offest

[tender root]

I think I'm gonna try to offset them by 45 degrees to make it sound cool

[wind wagon]

More chuffs FTW lol

[wanton lake]

imagine just crusing at 5 km/h

[ornate spindle]

Wait.

[wanton lake]

and all you hear is just this heavy ***CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG ***

[ornate spindle]

Horrible idea

[wind wagon]

You'd be pulling the goddamn moon though too XD

[ornate spindle]

2-2-2-2-2

[wind wagon]

Oh god XD

[tender root]

The game likes the chuffs to be evenly spaced, so we'd probably have to do either 4 or 8 chuffs per revolution

[wind wagon]

Triplexes go brrr

[wanton lake]

0-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-0

[wind wagon]

Get up to 20km/h and you're gonna have a steam powered Browning M2 machine gun XD

[ornate spindle]

Clearly the best option, The SH2-2-2-2-2-2

Each wheel is powered

[wanton lake]

imagine an S0220

[wind wagon]

Nah wait, I've got a better one: SH2-4-4-4-4-2. Only suitable for like two routes due to it's length, but it does not drive itself around the map: It moves the map underneath it LOL

[tender root]

Triplexes etc aren't gonna happen any time soon unfortunately, after the duplexes comes the S060, which realistically will probably release after the new year

[ornate spindle]

Wait satiric does that mean that a SH0-6-6-0 could work?

[wanton lake]

@tender root can i get early access to a shitty 2-2-0 S060

👀

[tender root]

No because I haven't even started working on the S060 yet

[wanton lake]

🥲

[wind wagon]

I'd like to try an 6-6-6 because that would be CURSED lol

Or a 2-2-2 triplex

[ornate spindle]

For the SH282?

[wanton lake]

imagine a 6-4-4-6 duplex

[tender root]

A lot of the structure of the mod is gonna have to change to add the S060 arrangements

[wanton lake]

S1 my guilty plessure

[wind wagon]

PRR S1 intensifies

[tender root]

the leading and trailing wheels are already barely gonna fit on the 4-4-4-4

[ornate spindle]

I am stuck between the S1 and T1

[wind wagon]

Would likely be better than the S060 yeah

[wanton lake]

@tender root what about a 0-6-6-0

or an 2-4-6-0

[ornate spindle]

I thought you were making the boiler longer

[wanton lake]

i need to shut

don't think you can without making a new loco

[wind wagon]

I mean... could always just have them both. They were built around the same time and for the same railway lol

[tender root]

I'm considering 2-4-6-0 and 2-6-6-2... I also want the update to come out sometime in this century though

[wanton lake]

2-4-6-0 for now

[wind wagon]

Now hear me out right: After we get done with a lot of the wheel arrangements.... a toggle for streamlining?

[tender root]

I can promise 2-4-4-2 and 4-4-4-4, anything else is unknown

[wanton lake]

now i wonder how challanging it would be to make a mod that allows the end user to easily create their own wheel arrangement

[tender root]

streamlining is in AEUGH's mod, not mine

[wind wagon]

Bless you XD

[ornate spindle]

Pfft-

[wind wagon]

Also I am not aware of this streamlining

[tender root]

Yeah i have no idea how to pronounce their name haha

[wind wagon]

xD

[wanton lake]

https://github.com/aeughsendhelp/dumb282tweaks

apparently it's broken atm

[tender root]

it's a little buggy, it was only meant to be a dev build

[wind wagon]

Ah I see, they've sneezed and need help now, based on the name XD

Okay but that would be sick though, I want a streamlined engine lol

[ornate spindle]

It looks nice

It’s a hybrid of most streamlined engines

[wind wagon]

Oh yoo it looks a bit like the J Class or S1

It's the bullet streamlining

I like that

[wanton lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961359399635521576/1147081893418893322/Derail_Valley_-_Build_96_-_steam_2023-09-01_18-11-08_-_Trim.mp4?ex=653236c3&is=651fc1c3&hm=3abae24e20b2dcce50a19cbe58371e18d668261983f0297a0d0c0271ac7f85c0&

[ornate spindle]

Yeah

[wind wagon]

Too bad it's broken right now. Also I imagine, given that there was never any releases on the github, that you had to build the mod yourself sorta thing, and that is beyond what I know how to do. I've done some difficult ass modding for some games (given that i've used mods on over 30 games over the last 8 years) but never built a mod from a github so... yeah I can't even try to use it XD

[wind wagon]

OOOF XD. That thing was moving pretty fast though

[wind wagon]

The nose itself looks like the S1, but the top and sides look closer to a J Class, at least to me

[wanton lake]

it has issues though

[wind wagon]

True but at least it looks decent lol

Like for a first ever streamliner in DV it's a good start lol

[solid elbow]

Can we have a 0-4-0

For fun

[plush kraken]

Is it possible to make the steamer heavier to help with the larger arrangement s

Sorry for ping

[tender root]

No worries, I'm fine with pings. It used to be really bad but the most recent update has helped with that quite a bit

Do you still not like it with the most recent update (1.1.3)?

[plush kraken]

Haven't had a look but will let ya know

[plush kraken]

its better thanks

[ornate spindle]

Rerangment SH282

Don’t think this is impossible anymore…

[short void]

True😅

[ornate spindle]

It’s there a ETA for the other high speed X-8-X’s?

[tender root]

Well, I had only planned the two that are in game. Which ones were you thinking of?

Might add more if there's more demand for it

[ornate spindle]

I mean two I really feel like should exist is a High speed 2-8-4 and a high speed 0-8-0

[shadow raft]

I feel this starts to get in the "just allow custom arrangements". Though I understand the problem with adding that.

[ornate spindle]

A high speed 2-8-4 is a nice balence for a train, power, weight and wheels,

[ornate spindle]

He already explained why it doesn’t really work,

[cedar lotus]

High-speed and 0-x-x doesn't go well together

[shadow raft]

I know, I was there.

[tender root]

Yeah 0-6-0s and 0-8-0's were almost always used only for yard work

[ornate spindle]

…no it doesn’t, but preforming a wheelie in a high speed 0-8-0 seems comical

Or better still a stoppie is also funny.

[cedar lotus]

That goes back to this then

[ornate spindle]

Weight reduction my friend

[ornate spindle]

…huh kinda does.

[tender root]

I haven't actually implemented a change in weight between the wheel arrangements, seems like the changes would be pretty minor

[shadow raft]

Calculate how much each axle should weight, add or subtrack as needed.

Rest is the same so it shouldn't change.

[tender root]

That bit isn't hard, I just have no idea how much an axle should weigh

Seems like it would only change the overall locomotive weight by a few percent though

[shadow raft]

I'd expect each driver to be 3-4t.

But yeah then you add bigger/smaller ones and it gets all fuzzy.

[prisma lily]

Thought I'd add some more colour. I thought I had better pics of the single. But I also found a double in there too. Both at the york nrm

[ornate spindle]

I would advise just using the the weight of the normal SH282 and comparing it to (the closest match to the SH282) compare the ratio of the weight of the drivers to the weight of the locomotive, and copy the same formula to the SH282 once doing that you can calculate the weight of the normal SH282 drivers and then scale the weight up and or down depending on the size of the driver and the weight of the axle.

If you’d like I could try doing the calculation if you could just answer a few questions

[tender root]

wow, great looking locomotives. I thought about adding those wheel covers for the big wheels but I think getting it to play nicely with skin manager would be tricky. The three axle tender is neat too.

[prisma lily]

i was hoping to have better photos of the GNR STIRLING single but apparently not

[shadow raft]

There's some pretty good stuff in the interwebs
https://www.flickr.com/photos/73789322@N04/27735113675

[prisma lily]

thats the girl

[humble frost]

bigwheel for big kids

[wanton lake]

big wheels for tiny willies

[inland garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-compensating-thinking-gif-3683673

[lavish nacelle]

how impossible is it to make the piston valve gear work with nonstandard driver sizes ?

[solid elbow]

Yes

[tender root]

it's a massive pain unfortunately

[wanton lake]

possible but painful

[ornate spindle]

Define not standard?

Like oval?

[wanton lake]

https://tenor.com/view/wheels-square-bumpy-gif-4531273

[lavish nacelle]

like on the 4-4-0 or the 2-8-2 high speed, basically any loco with a wheel diameter different than the normal 2-8-2.
They all just have no valve linkage

[tender root]

Essentially you have to completely redo the valve gear animations, and in some cases you have to remodel parts of the valve gear. It's possible but a massive pain in the ass, and I'm bad at every step of that process lol

[ornate spindle]

Oh

[ornate spindle]

Rearranged SH282

Don’t mind me just, making sure this thread doesn’t fall into obscurity.

Standard curation.

Anyway Rearranged S282 doesn’t work on the latest build right?

[rich steeple]

Yes it is currently broken

[ornate spindle]

Just making sure,

[rich steeple]

It defaults to 0-8-0

[wanton lake]

when can we get scotch yoke arrangements lol

[ornate spindle]

…

Is that the create mod?

[wanton lake]

an in development addon for it ye

[ornate spindle]

Huh,

Wait.

What if we are going about this the wrong way.

[wanton lake]

ofc it has the more sane arrangements

[ornate spindle]

What if the next step is inside cylinder.

And not duplexes

[wanton lake]

060 inside cylinder mod when

[ornate spindle]

That would just be a subpar J50…

Yeah no that would practically be a J50

Good day for obscure J50 fans I guess?

[ornate spindle]

My Berkshire’s will be happy.

[nova cove]

0-10-0 bogies are confirmed to

o

[lavish nacelle]

I want pistons inside my pistons

[past flower]

what would be cool with the mod, when it is fixed, is to be able to change the wheel diameter. id really like to have an 0-8-0 with the smallest wheels. why?? because im crazy and i like to experiment.

[tender root]

Custom wheel arrangements are being considered. It's a ways off though

[ornate spindle]

Have you seen this?

Satitric?

[tender root]

Yeah

[ornate spindle]

It was mostly a joke, but.

[tender root]

Am considering it, those front cylinders are really in the way

[ornate spindle]

Are those removable?

[tender root]

I can make them removable

[ornate spindle]

And fill in the running board?

[tender root]

Hmm stretching the running board is possible, IDK if it would look better or not

[ornate spindle]

I mean isn’t the piston tubing in the way?

[tender root]

Would have to remove the dry pipes as well yeah

[ornate spindle]

I forgot the name thank you

[tender root]

I'm pretty sure that's what they're called anyway...

[ornate spindle]

Wait never mind,

I thought the dry pipes cut around the running board.

Just checked

[tender root]

They do on the S282

[ornate spindle]

…

They do?

[tender root]

Well there's a cutout in the running boards for the dry pipes

[ornate spindle]

Oh,

Yeah that’s what I meant,

I thought there wasn’t?

[tender root]

Cant quite remember tbh, don't have the game in front of me

[wanton lake]

someone get this man an image of the 282

(i am currently omw to school so i can't)

[past flower]

a bit of a far fetched idea. when you mention stretching. would outside frames be possible?

[tender root]

I would have to look at the model more but probably not

[past flower]

yeah. tbh, i think the S282 would look pretty cursed with outside frames. its probably enough giving it funny wheel arrangements

[wanton lake]

needs to be more cursed

6-0-6

[tender root]

I've told myself that I don't get to add any more arrangements until I finish duplexes

[wanton lake]

0-1-0

unicycle 282

[silver prairie]

nah a 0-0-0

[solid elbow]

You mean the back to the future 3 loco modified by doc?

[nova cove]

no, an 0

[ornate spindle]

What is it called?

[wanton lake]

create: extended bogeys

[ornate spindle]

…

I actually use that mod often already…

I guess I haven’t seen those pictures before

[solid elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-train-flying-train-time-machine-doc-brown-gif-18326949

[ornate spindle]

If anyone ever makes this I’d be happy to make the sound effects for this

[wanton lake]

well it's still in development, it's nearing full release though

currently doing a submission for trains to be used in the trailer

[ornate spindle]

…I know.

[ornate spindle]

…I wonder how much pain satiric is in from having to once again stop working on the duplex’s and fix the mod.

[tender root]

It is annoying lol. Luckily not too big of an issue. It's actually gonna simplify the code a bit. Should be a fix out later today

[ornate spindle]

Good to know!

[tender root]

The system for swapping textures when exploding is much less dumb than it was before

[ornate spindle]

Once again thank you for making this mod!

[tender root]

No worries, it's been fun to work on

[rich steeple]

Do you think duplex and maybe even articulated will even work-?

[ornate spindle]

Actually that reminds me, would you have made this if I didn’t say anything?

[ornate spindle]

He is working on that.

Right now.

[rich steeple]

Fair point. Gonna be interesting to code I bet but with what you did so far I bet you can do it

[tender root]

Duplex will work, articulated is theoretically possible but is way off in the distance

[ornate spindle]

Expect duplexes to be finished in between now and the foreseeable heat death of the universe.

[tender root]

Hardest is getting compound locomotives to work, which would require significant changes to the locomotive simulation

[ornate spindle]

I mean,

[tender root]

Or if I wanted the front engineset on a duplex to wheelslip independently from the rear, that would require a bunch of changes to the locomotive simulation as well

[ornate spindle]

It would work like in that hyce vid

[rich steeple]

Pretty sure that was a CCL mod-

[ornate spindle]

It was,

But it basically was a actual locomotive, and a carriage

The second wheel arrangement was below the engine model and was a dummy,