big boy steam engine mmaybe
#big boy steam engine
bronze charm
stray turtle
It will not fit with the loading gauge.
it'd barely fit height wise and width wise maybe it's just way to overkill to do anything useful
the trains it could pull were up to 5 miles
which is literally half of one map edge
lethal zephyr
also you can forget trying turn it around on the turntable
stray turtle
the PRR L1SA that's being made also doesn't fit
most things, even non US stuff that's being made at the moment doesn't fit on the turntable
covert linden
the PRR L1SA that's being made also doesn't fit
PRR 2-10-0 were the I series. L series are 2-8-2. 😉
covert linden
Yes, discord capital I is impossible to distinguish. Why they changed their font I don't know. The lowercase l has a tail.
stray turtle
and this is why I write my capital i as the roman numeral
muted wave
It would fit in the loading gauge, the swing out of the boiler would be a problem (going west out of the Harbor for example, sharp corner with hills on either side) but you can always fudge the colliders so that it fits. The biggest issue is that long locomotives in general don't work well in Derail Valley, and are prone to derailing the cars around them. Even the DE6 used to have problems
stray turtle
and it's overkill
muted wave
That would be the entire point of adding it though. Might not be realistic but it'd be fun
stray turtle
I get that and it's one of my favourite steam engines ever
I just don't think this is the place for it
wind prawn
the PRR L1SA that's being made also doesn't fit
I don’t know from the general guidelines I was given the PRR I1sa absolutely fits
It’s on the bigger end but it fits
dry epoch
Perhaps it can be adjusted using just a reasonable amount of "fudging with the collision box", so that it is at least able to go through a certain path between certain stations even if it can't go through to the others, as kind of a "specialty train for only certain jobs" kinda like the original idea of adding electric locomotives and designated electrified routes which the dev has thought about for a more distant future?
Especially if it is possible to find such a more tolerate path between stations that tend to give multiple jobs to the same destination so you can actually hook up a ridiculously long train to make it meaningful? It will still be a hell of amount of shunting manuveours you have to do to when you actually get there, but for some people that's hella fun right? Lol
stray turtle
I don’t know from the general guidelines I was given the PRR I1sa absolutely fit...
On the turntable?
teal barn
Who said you had to use a turn table 😂
Find a y and turn it that why
The big boy would be good for going from the steel mill to harbour and town, that's it
And it would have to be a big payout of a job
I'm talking 70 to 80 to break even on a good run
And that's with time bonuses
So profit needed would be 100.00 120.000
wind prawn
On the turntable?
Yes the I1sa fits on the turntable. The loco is less than 17.4m long. With a tender though you may have to turn the two separately as the smallest tender raises the overall length to 24.95m
muted wave
And for the turntable, the overall length doesn't matter - it's the length between the axle colliders that matters (well, and the locomotive can hit the turntable shed if it sticks out too far)
wind prawn
Now back to the big boy if someone really desperately wanted this you could always make it and just live with the fact you’ll have to absolutely demolish the hitbox and just pretend not to see all the clipping etc. I want a big boy but I couldn’t handle the clipping so I won’t make one. I’ll hope that maybe we’ll get a map expansion someday where this can roam in its natural element
covert linden
It's not just clipping. It's long enough that it's going to derail a lot because of how tight the curves are on the DV map.
wind prawn
It's not just clipping. It's long enough that it's going to derail a *lot* becau...
Couldn’t you fudge that by absolutely destroying the colliders as well
Literally if someone was desperate enough just put like the 282 colliders and collisions and put the 3d model of the big boy on too
It would be a absolutely fudged and kinda gross way to do it but it could work technically speaking
muted wave
Lol, yeah I guess you could move the axle colliders as well. If the axle colliders go too far in though, the coupler moves too far over in the corners
dry epoch
And it would have to be a big payout of a job
Right that would probably be a bigger problem than turn tables lol
teal barn
and that's not taking into consideration the massive problem of it derailing
or losing all its HP and need to pay that fine off
prime sorrel
No derail valley is an European railway simulator not design for big american monsters
wind prawn
No reason to gate keep if people want it ,are willing to make it, and are willing to accept the drawbacks such as clipping etc that’s on them. You wouldn’t be forced to download it.
prime sorrel
No reason to gate keep if people want it ,are willing to make it, and are willin...
with the physics of derail valley. would it only clip and not derailling ?
I still think its a bad Idea im not against all american engines but I thinks giant monsters like th Big boys and the Centenials have no place in derail valley
wind prawn
with the physics of derail valley. would it only clip and not derailling ?
Yes you could manipulate the hit box to make it clip only. I personally would like a big boy. But only someday when we get a map expansion where it actually fits. Until then I’m happy letting it rest
noble needle
Yes you could manipulate the hit box to make it clip only. I personally would li...
Thing is, if the hitbox is moved the wheels will still derail.
If you move the wheels in, the couplers will move too much on corners.
latent tiger
I still think its a bad Idea im not against all american engines but I thinks gi...
have it be articulated like irl, but like have the leading cylinder set and pilot truck be their own "locomotive" internally
prime sorrel
Yes you could manipulate the hit box to make it clip only. I personally would li...
When we will have catenary wires the loading gauge would probably be again a little bit more limited then now
wind prawn
When we will have catenary wires the loading gauge would probably be again a lit...
Baaa someone will mod them out and get rid of them if that’s the case. Steam will reign supreme
noble needle
have it be articulated like irl, but like have the leading cylinder set and pilo...
You'd have to spawn the two seperately, then...
stray turtle
have it be articulated like irl, but like have the leading cylinder set and pilo...
Greg is experimenting with that idea at the moment. Crazy bugger.
coarse lotus
I would like to say, unless you where already doing this, it may fit on a turn table, you just got to spin the engine and the tender separately, I do not think the big boy should be in the game, there is no way it would be able to go around most turns smoothly, but for big logos like the big boy that don't fit on the turntable and have been turned down for that reason, turn on Loco and tender separately
stray turtle
I would like to say, unless you where already doing this, it may fit on a turn t...
does either part even fit on the table by itself though?
coarse lotus
thats what i wounder
stray turtle
I think the turn table is like... 18 meters? The DE6 fits on it and that's slightly under 18 meters
lmao no
the engine alone is 25.99 meters but the tender would fit at 14.48 meters
stray turtle
thats what i wounder
I did some light digging because, why not? someone on reddit said that the DE2 and DE6 barely fit together on the table and their combined length is 26.27 meters. It would barely fit on the table without the tender. I still don't think it's a good idea to add
coarse lotus
Maybe we don't add the big boy maybe we add a challenger Class locomotive
I belive it has 4 less wheels than the big boy
stray turtle
still too long to fit on the turn table with the tender
it'd fit better in the valley but it'd probably still be a few sizes too large
prime sorrel
I did some light digging because, why not? someone on reddit said that the DE2 a...
I agree with you we’ll need to wait for a more American style map with a bigger loading gauge
latent tiger
still too long to fit on the turn table with the tender
then maybe a 9000 class?
its still too long for the turntable, but you could still turn it around via the Wyes that are on the map
id probably need to be handled as if it was articulated internally, as to not have it jump the tracks like the coaches already do
covert linden
then maybe a 9000 class?
its still too long for the turntable, but you could sti...
That would be even worse with such a long rigid wheelbase.
latent tiger
That would be even worse with such a long rigid wheelbase.
good point
stray turtle
The 9ks middle axles could actually slide a few inches to either side
covert linden
Have you seen how much the 282 overhangs the curves? It has blind drivers too.
stray turtle
It was a weird mechanism that probably infuriated the maintenance crew even more along with the 3rd internal cilinder
stray turtle
Have you seen how much the 282 overhangs the curves? It has blind drivers too.
No I mean the whole axle slides in it's mount
covert linden
I understand, I'm just saying that a few inches of available movement isn't going to cut it in the Valley. 🙂
stray turtle
Oh definitely not
That thing would probably be doing a sick flip in the first turn
The 9ks had route Availability problems irl as well
analog lance
In all honesty, the I1 Decapod already in the works is likely the largest US steamer able to fit in the Valley as it sits, both due to PRR's smaller loading gauge, and it having a four wheel tender that wasn't that large.
Either that, or do something like a 2-6-6-2T logging mallet, since you don't need a turntable for that.
stray turtle
The logging mallets weren't that big, yes.
broken scaffold
I knew this was suggested at one point
stray turtle
ofc, every videogame about trains it's suggested
quick solar
then maybe a 9000 class?
its still too long for the turntable, but you could sti...
man i wish a nine was even remotely possible, so few games have them.
west gazelle
Technically anything is possible to be made for DV or any other railroad simulator. The problem that we face here in DV is the loading gauge and the way the game's physics work. You'd have to really fudge things around to get a large locomotive like a 4-12-2 or Big Boy to not collide with just about everything and not derail themselves and/or their cars on every single curve.
I personally wouldn't care if the physics parts of the locomotives were entirely screwball if it meant actually having a Big Boy in DV, but honestly that's probably more work than just making the physics match the locomotive.
coarse lotus
What if we made a Garden Scale big boy and then made the axels wider to fit the track gadge 
analog lance
You aren't thinking grand enough.
Use outside flanged wheels, and run it on a single rail. EVERY TRACK IS DOUBLE TRACK FOR THIS BIGGEST BOY.
latent spruce
NO BIG BOY
low sparrow
coarse lotus
Too late
Someone else said "We should give them what they want but make no compromises for gameplay. When they complain about it not fitting in tunnels or going around bends just tell them it’s as designed"
And I think it's a brilliant idea
latent tiger
Someone else said "We should give them what they want but make no compromises fo...
YES
as soon as it hits any slightly tight curve you just hear the derailment "CLING!"
coarse lotus
And it should have knuckle couplers