Foundry VTT System

[steady vault]

I think there's a ticket for that already. I think.

[simple nova]

A full "Hero creation" wizard is unfortunately very low on the priority list at the moment

[alpine meadow]

anyone have any ideas for how to make this feature work on the current version? Not really sure how to do this pseudo advantage

[steady vault]

Manually only, I think. You could make a custom effect with some mods, but otherwise manually.

[slim marsh]

Mechanics on roll three, keep two are a feature request. https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/1199

[alpine meadow]

gotcha. How would you even do it manually though? Just roll another d10?

[steady vault]

Yeah, manual roll

[slim marsh]

I'm looking at the Animal Form complication (p234) and how to best manage it. I'm guessing I can just do an active effect override to T but I'm not thinking of an elegant way to apply movement types other than just making do. I was wondering if #363 might touch on it but if a different feature request was needed or if I'm missing the effect. Edit: Ah, seems #296 would also apply... oh wait, now I see all the inactive effects built in. Neat! Now to figure out how to adjust appearance.

[eager helm]

is there a difference between applying a status through an applied effect in an abiliyy or through an in-line enricher?

[simple nova]

Not really

[eager helm]

which do you prefer?

[simple nova]

If it's a power roll effect you should do the applied effect. Eventually those will properly support Potency checks

[eager helm]

is that a 0.10 thing?

[simple nova]

guessing it's more likely to be 0.11

0.10 is more focused on Tests

at the point we're doing Potency I feel like we'll just release 0.10 because that would be enough for the patch

[simple nova]

in v13 you need a module like Active Token Effects; it sounds like v14 might add core support

[eager helm]

fair

[slim marsh]

Go figure, I was just starting to read into Token Magic FX.

[simple nova]

We've got... a lot of stuff tagged to v14

while it's extremely unlikely they'll make their January target, March is certainly reasonable/likely

[south hazel]

someone help me out here. the ability on the left shows "X + @chr", while the one on the right shows X + Y". I want the ability on the left to also display the actual numbers, but even tho I change it to be identical to the one on the right, it doesn't add the characteristic as a number. what am i doing wrong? (they came as is from the compendium)

[celest dock]

It looks like only the left one is adding the characteristic to damage. Is that +2 on the right one from kit damage bonus or something?

[south hazel]

oh you might be onto something. the right one belongs to a fury with a kit, the left one to a null without a kit

ah wait im dumb. that ability doesnt add characteristic. im just confusing myself now lmfao

yeah, you're right. i guess there's no way to make it display the actual number in the description

[celest dock]

Not right now. We could probably do it. Do you wanna add an issue into github?

[simple nova]

I actually just filed an issue to substitute in the glyphs

This is a spot I'd like to see just the big A glyph

[south hazel]

I don't think it's a pressing matter by any mean, it's moreso for my brand new players and me so that we know at a glance.

[molten ginkgo]

With 0.9, is the "Group Selected" function supposed to be able to make squads with captains? Or is it intended that you have to manually add the captains after creating the squad? I can get it to group minions, and I can get it to group non-minions, but if I attempt to group minions with a non-minion, it doesn't work. Just wondering if that's by design, or if I should make a ticket

[simple nova]

Make a ticket

[short wadi]

Is it worth submitting a ticket /request so you could change a group to a squad or squad to a group with a right click option or in the update combatant group menu?

i had mentioned before the desire if it would just detect minions, but that was understandably not preferred.

[simple nova]

Yeah I think that's doable

[amber zealot]

Is there any attribute key that adds +1 damage to all weapon abilities?

[simple nova]

Yeah, make an ability modiifer type effect. The keys are listed on the system wiki & in the in-game documentation journal

[amber zealot]

I can only find damage.immunities and damage.weaknesses. Nothing that straight up adds damage?

[alpine meadow]

easiest way is to go into that actors sheet and add a +1 dmg to each tier like this

[amber zealot]

Hmm does not add any damage to abilities..

[alpine meadow]

odd

[amber zealot]

Does it work for you? I thought it needs to be system.<>.. But adding system. to the start doesn't solve it either

[short wadi]

Just to double check, because I've done this before and not realized it. It's active, right?

Also, under the details tab, enable weapons on the dropdown menu for what keywords it's supposed to catch

[amber zealot]

Yeah it's got Magic, Weapon and Heavy in keywords, and Weapon as kind. The effect is put under Passive Effects

Oh, let me check..

[simple nova]

Ability modifiers use different syntax

[amber zealot]

Still not working..

[simple nova]

Screenshot of the details & changes tab

[simple nova]

Wrong type

[amber zealot]

I've also set the category to blank or Leveled

[short wadi]

What about the details of the effect, also yeah that too

[simple nova]

When you click "create active effect", needs to click "Ability Modifier"

[amber zealot]

Oh, right!

There it is, works now. Thanks!!

What Category am I supposed to choose for a non-leveled treasure like a weapon or armor?

Doesn't feel like Trinket or Artifact are applicable

[forest ridge]

Is there a way to modify the token group tint options? I really like that function, but I find some of the tints (specifically red and blue, and to a lesser degree green) nearly obscure the actual art of the token

[simple nova]

Sometimes there's not a category

[simple nova]

You should be able to pick a custom color, but I'll fully admit the design was token tint for the plain white icons the system uses natively and then any custom art was kinda assumed to be with the Dynamic Token Ring

But currently no, the available colors are defined internal to the dialog method

[forest ridge]

ohhhh, okay. no that makes sense! I would use the dynamic ring method, but I use them for other things. i completely forgot clicking a color brings up the hex i can just edit, that's my bad

[storm pagoda]

I’m using the foundry thing, but my kit isn’t applying my speed bonus and I’m unable to raise my speed above 6 when I should have 9 speed. I have tried to refresh it many times and other fixes, but it’s not going above 6

[simple nova]

In 0.8.1?

We made a bunch of fixes for movement in 0.9

[storm pagoda]

Let me ask

Yeah it was 0.8.1, Director is updating it now. Did the update come out today or something? He says he checked for update earlier this morning, lol

[simple nova]

0.9 is currently in pre release

[wise lily]

is there a way for the Conduit piety gain at turn start to prompt the player if they want to pray before gaining piety?

if that's not currently implemented/ planned, should I make an FR for it on github?

[eager helm]

not currently

[wise lily]

okay I'll just have to remember to ask my player before I start their turn for now then.

[eager helm]

i dont think theres start and end of turn delination rn

[steady vault]

There kind of is, but only it matters only for effects.

[eager helm]

is there?

how does it differentiate?

[steady vault]

When you click the End turn button, EoT effects or effects requiring a Save will update (or roll to save).

[eager helm]

what about start of turn?

[steady vault]

Right now, I think it's just the HR gain.

[eager helm]

gotcha

[wise lily]

Is there any easy way for my characters to create a hero and for me to import said hero into foundry without me having to leave the server up?

[manic hinge]

nope

[south hazel]

they can use a website to create a character, export it as a pdf, and give the pdf to you so you can create it in foundry. but you'd still need to do the whole process manually

for example https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/
I don't know if there's any other that is better made, this one is almost perfect, it has a few issues relating to skills

[wise lily]

I'll take a look at if I can figure out a script to get foundry to import from forge steel data

[kind iron]

less easy to start, but easier on your end:
they download foundry and the system, make character, export to json, then you import said json

[sly hinge]

Is there a way to give my players permissions to make combatant groups? this is for a summoner player who i'm trying to give minions to

[steady vault]

I'm not sure which setting controls Combatant group creation, but maybe it's the Configure Token Settings. You can try giving that player the Trusted Player role (and maybe uncheck the stuff you don't want them to do). Try it, I guess.

[sly hinge]

my players already have configure token settings perms

[steady vault]

In general, verify each setting they don't currently have. If nothing works, they might need to have at least Assistant Gamemaster role.

[sly hinge]

it's prolly not possible then, the stuff my players dont have prms for is modify configuration settigs, make manual rolls, and some multimedia stuff that's not relevant

[simple nova]

Core restriction

As we work on support for the summoner we'll have ways around it

[zenith wadi]

can anyone tell me why my character lost vision or something? Apparently everyone can see besides me and it works on other browsers (using firefox and I've always used it and nothing has changed).

[south hazel]

is there a way to setup terrain elevation on the map? like mark a part of it as ground level, this is 1 above ground level, this is -2, etc.

[steady vault]

Vanilla Foundry: use Regions and place them at specific elevations; you can make a script (or use a mod) to allow tokens entering or leaving the region to automatically change elveation, in combination with walls, if need be.
With mods: the Levels mod does exactly that.

[simple nova]

Scene levels will be one of the keystone features of v14

But that's not gonna be for a few months

[swift flume]

Does draw steel system grant edges automatically for high ground ?

[eager helm]

i dont think it can detect it, curently

even if ur at different elevation values

[simple nova]

We're waiting on v14 before we try that

[swift flume]

Ok and as for tactician mark ? Or that’s waiting until active effects can grant edges ?

[eager helm]

mark doesnt natively apply edges afaik

[simple nova]

yeah that's currently slated for 0.10

[swift flume]

Ok thanks for the info haven’t played in a while hah think I’ll give some of these automations a try with my little module until the official implementations

[edgy verge]

Hi, small question, how do you find the documentation for the draw steel system while in game in foundry? I've looked around on it, and on the github, because I'm trying to find the base characteristics so I can adjust the boss bar module

[simple nova]

system journals compendium

[edgy verge]

Ahhhh

[edgy verge]

Thanks!

https://tenor.com/view/sanjiclops-vash-trigun-vash-the-stampede-thumbs-up-gif-14404642215469171718

Huh, using this doesn't make the Boss Bar module work. It worked when I used Pf2e

At least I know where to find the info

[short wadi]

Try without the @

When I was using a different module, I didn't need them to reference those values

[edgy verge]

Ayyy

Yeah that worked

Got it working

Good to note for the future for my own group and whoever else likes the module

[slim marsh]

I don't suppose anyone is doing manual dice rolls with the implementation of DS? Trying to accommodate a hybrid table that likes to roll dice, while allowing a screen of the VTT for abilities/tracking. I can get D4 and above working fine with Foundry's built in manual roll but D3 isn't an option that I can find. Anyone else have success or a workaround?

[eager helm]

a d3 is just a d6 with its results cut in half

so 1-2 is a 1, 3-4 is a 2, and 5-6 is a 3

[slim marsh]

True, just for implementations sake was hoping to simply make all dice rolls look baked in/part of the system. That works though!

[eager helm]

idk how foundry's manual roll works unfortunately so i cant give much accurate advice

[simple nova]

simple world/module script

Hooks.once("init", () => {
  CONFIG.Dice.fulfillment.dice.d3 = { label: 'd3', icon: '<i class="fa-solid fa-dice-d6"></i>' }
})

it'll add the d3 to the manual roll options

[slim marsh]

That worked beautifully. Thank you!

[tepid grove]

Hope this doesn't come across as random but Is that a Signalis campaign I see? very cultured ❤️

[edgy verge]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-dance-gif-1278154144218128588

That's right!

It's a science fantasy setting, kinda like Star Wars, Mass Effect, a dash of Signalis, and Honkai Star Rail all blended together

So there's some Corrupted Replika stuff

[tepid grove]

Good stuff 💕 sounds like a ton of fun ^^

[alpine meadow]

omg is it happened?

or if its a bug @simple nova

[simple nova]

github is having issues today I think

0.9 is still in the "Soon, but not quite here" category

[alpine meadow]

ah dang, I was so hype

[simple nova]

https://www.githubstatus.com/

[ashen dagger]

Cloudflare is currently having issues (had some earlier). Not sure how much GitHub is connected but it's been causing issues with internet related things all day.

[eager helm]

any advice on how to run the rivalary feature on foundry?

[simple nova]

Is that the one where each picks a player?

[eager helm]

yep

[simple nova]

Honestly a notes page can go a long way

[eager helm]

my current idea was rolling a d3 and adding that to the bonuses/penalities on the power roll pop up

[simple nova]

What's the actual text of the feature

[eager helm]

At the start of an encounter, the [rival] chooses one creature
within their line of effect. Both the [rival] and the creature can
add a d3 roll to power rolls they make against each other.

also - how does applying condition immunity work?

[simple nova]

The situational bonus should take dice directly

[simple nova]

We have a data path for it in 0.9, what's the feature

[eager helm]

yeah i saw the data path but i couldnt figure it out

bloodless

[eager helm]

it doesnt accept this, is there another way i should be writing it?

[simple nova]

Oh hmmm yeah file a ticket that should be a formula

[eager helm]

will do

[clear brook]

This is a minor thing but is there a way to adjust the "Reset Hero Tokens" value? I have a bigger group but with a lot of call outs, so we have a different number of people every week.

[simple nova]

Currently no, we do have plans to revisit that logic once we implement a "party" actor

It honestly might be easier to just make a macro you can use

const nonGM = game.users.filter(u => !u.isGM && u.active)
await game.settings.set('draw-steel', 'heroTokens', { value: nonGM.length })

resets the hero tokens to the number of logged in non-GM users

[clear brook]

Thanks so much!

[faint wigeon]

....Only discovered today that you can hold down **Shift ** when trying to assign a color marker using the token color marker module to apply it to all selected tokens
Welp, at least I'll be able to mark groups faster going forward...

[short wadi]

Yup! Using Dynamic tokens and the new update (0.9 full release) you can set colours to the rings. Both are valid options. I'll probably move to doing the rings and still use token colour marker for other things

(I made those images, they weren't really intended to be used without a ring. I'd suggest turning on dynamic rings, even if you don't use them for any colours)

(I totally understand why they aren't enabled by default btw, for the system)

[faint wigeon]

In my case I typically end up finding some random art for any monsters if the book doesn't include art, but thanks 👍

[sly hinge]

first time i've seen this but i need it

[valid tinsel]

Can you apply the color to a bunch of rings at once easily?

[short wadi]

That's exactly what the gif is showing

And the text explaining above

For the dynamic token colours on rings, it's assigned to the group. So anything in the group gets the same colour

[molten ginkgo]

There's also a macro you can use to speed it up further.

[eager helm]

so currently the reactive test abilities are displayed like this. has anyone figured out a different display tactic that doesnt result in them being displayed with the text broken like this?

or maybe its possible to put the tier glyphs into in-line text?

[steady vault]

Technically, you could edit the CSS for .content-link to be smaller or adapt to the width, but that breaks the visual of the button.

[simple nova]

What about the ones with glyphs?

The ones in the compendium should have glyphs

[eager helm]

my picture is the one from the compendium

this is the omen dragon's corroding breath

huh i just checked another monster and that monster does have glyphs

(manticore's desperate howl)

i can just copy and paste from there

seems like some have it and some dont

[marsh edge]

It seems like the Dragon malice abilities aren't formatted correctly.

At least

[simple nova]

File a ticket, the glyphs came out partway through the release and we tried to catch all of them but apparently missed some

Part of what the pre-release tag is for

[eager helm]

yep will do

figured it was a prerelease thing

[marsh edge]

Going to see if I can fix them right now.

[tepid grove]

are the plans to have a dropdown for the active effects keys? Some systems, as I've noticed, modified the AE dialogue so you can type in the name of something and it will suggest/auto-complete to a related key, making active effect creations a bit easier for people who haven't learned all of the attribute keys (or don't want ot have the wiki open constantly)

[marsh edge]

PR sent for fix of Dragon's malice ability tables.

[simple nova]

Maybe, with v14 doing so much with active effects we're on a bit of a holding pattern in terms of major functions there

[marsh edge]

I found a bunch more tables that needed reformatting so sent a PR with both the Monster Features and Monsters fixed.

Oh, shoot, I might have messed that up and sent a previous PR a second time. (Think I fixed it.)

[steady vault]

Unforgivable

[simple nova]

Thanks, I'll review on Monday most likely since I'm at PAX

[marsh edge]

Have fun

[prisma cape]

Hey all - apologies if this has been asked or answered, I did search. Has anyone run into an issue where the stamina bar isn't accurately reflecting the actual stamina value? For example, this hero has 27 max stam. When I set it to 0, the bar still looks about 1/3 full.

It's like this at any stamina; for example at 13/27 stam, the bar should appear less than half full, but it looks more like 2/3 full. He has no temp stam, and his sheet and token are tracking it correctly - it's just the bar that's off.

This is only happening for heroes, not enemies. I made a new test hero, pulled in a class, and it's doing the same thing.

[zinc glen]

the stamina bar includes your "dying stamina"

[prisma cape]

Ohhhh. So it's by design. How am I like 5 sessions in and never noticed that

[eager helm]

huh never knew about this

i use bar brawl

unless it was recently changed

[short wadi]

Been like this for awhile afaik

[untold dust]

Ah, I've been wondering why it's off too. That makes sense

[simple nova]

Version 0.9.0 is Now Available

If you installed the pre-release you will need to uninstall the system and then reinstall to receive the updates.

Highlights

• Almost all remaining compendium content, including full class progression and monsters for levels 4–10
  • Huge thank you to all of our data entry volunteers who made this possible
  • New Advancement Type: Characteristic. This allows automated handling of characteristic increases from class levels and titles.
  • Drag-and-drop support as well as point buy to expand the functionality of item grant advancements.
• New "Update from Compendium" header button for items and monsters. By default this requires a director-level role, but directors can choose to allow players to access this.
• New enrichers for [[/gain]] and [[/apply]] to dole out resources and active effects. See the wiki for syntax.
• Many compendium data fixes, including a restructuring of how speed is handled so ancestry and kit bonuses work correctly.

Known Issues

• The Conduit's subclass handling still isn't quite right with the alternating staggered domain features. For 0.9 you will need to delete or ignore features/abilities. The logic turned out to be more complex than anticipated and the full fix will have to wait for 0.10.
• Leveled Treasures, Artifacts, Imbue projects, Retainers, and Dynamic Terrain objects are still missing. Some of these will come in 0.10, others may take longer.

Full notes: https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/releases/tag/release-0.9.0

(Could I get a mod to pin this?)

[dusky token]

Do you need any old pins removed?

[simple nova]

yeah the 0.8.1 release isn't needed anymore, thank you!

[scenic tartan]

@simple nova I don't know if this was a feature before the version 0.9 release, but THANK YOU for adding the 'Group selected tokens' feature to the combat tracker. makes a huge difference to the speed of my prep.

I've used the module 'Token Colour Marker' to add group numbers and minion/captain tags to my tokens, that helps as well:

[simple nova]

Yeah that's one of the new features

Highlights list was getting a little long but also we added new context menu options to groups to set the ring or token tints

(I'm sure somebody could write a shim or macro to integrate Token Color Marker)

[steady vault]

Ironic, but Troubadour is misspelled here 😅

[simple nova]

who's to say what's true and what's not

fortunately typos in release notes are easy to fix

[steady vault]

I mean, with all the work in this release and how long the list of changes is, it's actually impressive that that's the only thing I found.

[simple nova]

We assemble the release list as work is done, so a lot of the copy editing is progressive

[simple nova]

Good news: I'm going to try and implement Summoning in 0.10

Bad news: I have to implement summoning...

I believe the Summoner will be added to the license as part of its release on Friday so we'll see how much we can get implemented in 0.10

[alpine meadow]

Let's goooo!!!!

[short wadi]

I hope you can Summon the strength to make it happen

[alpine meadow]

Is there a way to have the compendium replace duplicates?

I didn't think about that before I imported and now I've got a bunch of doulbed up folders

[short wadi]

System compendium folders? Perhaps... A quick uninstall/reinstall of the system module?

I think that would work.

[simple nova]

on a basic level, don't mass import

[alpine meadow]

Oh. well

to late

I thought using Keep Document IDs would overwrite but apparently not

[short wadi]

Oh yeah, mass importing is an oopsie

Used to do it all the time in 5e lol

Live and learn

[alpine meadow]

and there's no way in Foundry to select multiple and then delete all, is there

[short wadi]

I don't think so. Usually I just delete the parent folder (for a bunch of imported things)

[alpine meadow]

alright well I'll probably have to do that then

Is there a way to apply surges to power rolls for damage with the new updatE?

[eager helm]

no

check out #1418264815519924435

[simple nova]

I think in v14 it will

but yeah fundamentally don't mass import from compendiums

[alpine meadow]

okay So I got the Use Surge macro which is handy, but there's no way to roll it into the apply damage button from a power roll right?

[simple nova]

Not currently. Getting the UI/UX on that is surprisingly hard

[alpine meadow]

Gotcha

[eager helm]

theres no current way to add damage into a damage roll, yeah

[simple nova]

(technically we added some API-level shenanigans in this update that macros could play with)

[alpine meadow]

yeah that kind of stuff is waaay above my head, I'll leave that to you

For now I'm gonna go around and click update on every feature on my Players Sheets

[sonic moth]

If i previously had a game set up in DS 0.81 but didn't get too far with it, is there any reason to create a new world with 0.90?

[simple nova]

updating the system will be accessible from the world

we also implemented a bunch of features to make updating stuff easier

[sonic moth]

Yeah I was always planning to update but is there any reason to start clean from 0.90 rather than updating from 0.81 to 0.90 if i haven't gotten too far setting up the game?

[simple nova]

Not that I can particularly think of

[south hazel]

wait what do you mean by this?

do we need to update all the individual stuff?

ah, i see, some abilities get stuff fixed, added or removed. well, my hand is gonna hurt when im done with this

[alpine meadow]

yep

[swift flume]

Sounds nice what are some examples?

[simple nova]

So if you've got an ability use chat message, message.system.createModifiedDamageRoll will clone a roll with adjustments

  /**
   * Create a new DamageRoll based on applying modifications to a given DamageRoll.
   * After creation, the new roll is added to the message rolls.
   * @param {DamageRoll} roll The damage roll to modify.
   * @param {object} modifications The modification options to apply.
   * @param {string} [modifications.additionalTerms] Additional formula components to append to the roll.
   * @param {string} [modifications.damageType] The damage type to use for the modified roll.
   * @param {object} [evaluationOptions={}] Options passed to the DamageRoll#evaluate.
   * @returns {Promise<DamageRoll>}
   */
  async createModifiedDamageRoll(roll, { additionalTerms = "", damageType }, evaluationOptions = {})

[ivory rivet]

It looks like you can do it on the actor rather than each individual feature. When looking at an actor's character sheet, you can trigger an update from compendium and it seems to loop through and update all the features and abilities.

[simple nova]

note that's only available for NPCs

(since player characters don't directly come from compendiums)

[south hazel]

how is this done? struggling to find the option

[south hazel]

ahhh gotcha, thank you

[wicked ruin]

I have gone through many version updates with Pathfinder 2e and never had to setup a new world

[supple night]

Had a bit of trouble finding that one myself, but managed to.
@south hazel Worth noting that you can activate the token color/border color by right-clicking the newly made groups in the turn tracker and using the "Color" option.

I made a small video about the 0.8 release a few months back and I'd like to make an updated version for the 0.9
Back then it was a pretty impulsive video mostly meant for my players. I'd like to go about it in a bit more structured way this time.

Gonna make sure to mention to "Group Selected Tokens" thing and such.

Are there any macros that are not included in the base system I should include?
Any modules you think greatly benefit Draw Steel?

As it stands I plan to cover: character creation, using monsters, using sheet, general combat, negotiations, items (rewards), and projects.
Then use time stamps so people can skip to the part they're interested in and maybe include some shorts for piecemeal info afterwards.

[steady vault]

Are there any macros that are not included in the base system I should include?
Any modules you think greatly benefit Draw Steel?
Only a few macros that are in https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1418264815519924435
And modules are pretty basic; like Dice Tray and Dice So Nice, and such. Personal preferences. I really like Aura Effects, among others.

[supple night]

I plan to include Token Aura Rings, Token Color Marker (Still nice despite the new features), Bar Brawl, Tokenizer (You can use mask to make tokens round so they work perfectly with the foundry dynamic ring for the color stuff), Health Estimate.

Thanks, I'll have a look at the macro section.

[soft token]

Big things are planned for 0.10, so you may consider whether it is worth your time to hold off until then.

[simple nova]

(although in fairness that's still going to be another 2 months)

[soft token]

On a personal level, I would appreciate if module recommendations - perhaps particularly in public videos like youtube - were on the lighter side.

[simple nova]

Practically speaking we expect to be ready to go with v14 stable asap and I'm concerned how many modules will struggle to make the jump smoothly

[soft token]

That is a great point. And that's particularly true for modules that touch the canvas or effects, like Token Aura Rings.

[wind kite]

I tried aura effects with the draw steel module, but for some reason once I converted an effect into an aura, I was no longer able to access the effect menu to edit the effect or toggle it. I don'T know what is happening there.

[simple nova]

Possibly a system bug, if you could get some screenshots we can try to squeeze that into our 0.9.1 hotfix

[supple night]

Fair enough. I can always make one video with 0 modules and make a second video where I list my personal setup and module recommendations 👍

[simple nova]

Yeah, definitely recommend separating those clearly

[wind kite]

Mhh there isn't much to screenshot. the menu simply does not open, neither by right clicking, or by pressing the three dots.

[static pebble]

Screen record it?

[simple nova]

We've got someone on it

[eager helm]

sorry for just coming back to this

@simple nova apologies for the ping on thanksgiving, i couldnt figure out how to post a picture on github so doing this here. when i was talking about the drop down menu, this is what i was talking about

see how the scroll bar overlaps with the arrow?

i have to fiddle with the position in order to click on the arrow, its not very smooth

[south hazel]

implements are not in yet, right?

[simple nova]

As in the leveled treasures?

Correct, leveled treasures are slated for 0.10

[south hazel]

looking for the "imbue implements" stuff. didnt find it anywhere

[simple nova]

Ah yeah those projects are waiting for v14; we've sketched out an implementation but it relies on v14 upgrading Active Effects to primary documents

[south hazel]

thanks for the answer 🙏

[steady vault]

From what I understand, it wasn't possible to automatically go through every feature or ability a PC might have and update each one, hence why that option isn't there. But if there is a janky workaround, that would be nice as well.
I guess I did find a janky workaround. By editing the class applied to a PC and updating the class from the compendium, all abilities coming from that class also update. Result: fewer clicks! Yay!

[simple nova]

Has anyone had issues with Forge installs?

[ivory rivet]

Not that I've noticed. I've only been using Forge hosting since I stared with Foundry this summer. Any type of issues you're specifically interested in?

[simple nova]

Someone on the subreddit reported issues

[ivory rivet]

Just looked in the reddit thread and see that post about the null id error. I have 0.9 working on Forge, no trouble with the update, but it was an update and not a new install. Not sure how much potential there is for that make a difference.

Just double checking my game tonight, and I see that the Forge had an update on 11/26. I still can get into my game just fine, but I did the update prior to that Forge update, so maybe there could be some issue there.

[simple nova]

I'm not getting the overlap but I do see that it's overall pretty narrow. What browser are you in?

[eager helm]

firefox

does it look different on other browsers?

[simple nova]

Chrome it's not so stark

[eager helm]

ah

i dont like chrome cuz it hoards my RAM

[simple nova]

Super valid

[eager helm]

just checked this on chrome

ur right, much better

i wonder if i should change my ui scaling on firefox?

if theres even a way to change that

[simple nova]

I'll play around with the styling tonight to see if I can get something more consistent

Planning on 0.9.1 tomorrow to resolve some fresh bugs

[eager helm]

nice nice

appreciate the work as always, chaos

[simple nova]

Firefox still has pretty thin scrollbars but this should look & feel a lot better

[eager helm]

yes!

that looks way better

[simple nova]

tl;dr Foundry core has some styling for scrollbars I had ignored because "Well, it works fine without all this extra stuff". Turns out that extra stuff had a reason for its existence!

[winter gorge]

Is it a known issue that targeting a character shows duplicated power roll prompt? Or is it for a feature I don't know about?

[swift flume]

What do you mean by duplicated ? You get two prompts or you mean that you have two sets of edges and banes in this one ?

[winter gorge]

Two sets, one for the selected actor, and one for the targeted one

[swift flume]

The first one is global hance the name it applies edge or bane to all targets and the ones below are unique for each target. So if you for example target 5 enemies and one is marked you put edge just for them. And if you target 5 enemies and you have edge against all of them you put it in the global so you do t have to do that for each one separately.

[winter gorge]

That makes sense, thank you 🙂

[valid tinsel]

is there any word on if you will make an importer for forged steel?

[steady vault]

I'm pretty sure the dev team stated that they won't. No need once the system has a good and easy enough character builder. Until then, it would kind of be wasted effort. But if anyone else wants to give it a try, they are welcome to make a module for that.

Of course, take that with the grain of salt that I am not on the dev team and priorities might have shifted.

[sonic moth]

I’m trying to re-create the Delian tomb pre-generated characters and having trouble getting the to lineup as it’s hard to determine what source gives what skill. Is there a way to manually delete skills that were granted by backgrounds after building the character? I see how to add skills that don’t have a character source.

Has anyone made a JSON that’ll just correctly pop the pregens into my world? 🤗

[half grotto]

I'll back up my world as usual before an update, but are there any known breaking changes I should be aware of?

For example from .7 --> .8 I recall Stamina being forced to max and recoveries as well.

[supple night]

I happen to be doing the same atm. We can split the work if you like?
I've done Troubadour so far and working on Fury atm. (level 1)

[steady vault]

None that I could see.

@sonic moth and @supple night, standby...

It is fairly straight forward to create the complete characters (as they would be after the fourth encounter) and delete the stuff they get after the first encounter. Before deleting the abilities and features, I dragged them to a special journal page for each character so the players could drag and drop them unto their sheets as they go through the adventure. All abilities and features should point to the compendiums.

I don't have access to my server right now, but I could tell you it took around 2 hours to make all of them and the journal.

[soft token]

No change there, you're right on. We're making a self-contained system, and I would not expect this to change ever, but as you say, anyone else is free to make whatever auxiliary modules they like.

[simple nova]

Turns out they hadn't updated their Forge to v13 lmao

[soft token]

That'd do it.

[simple nova]

Summoner won't be added to the license for a bit, so system-wise we still plan to build the tools but won't be able to do the compendium data entry

[short wadi]

At least there won't feel like any sort of rush. A nice buffer.

[simple nova]

Yeah, probably won't try and force the whole thing in 0.10

[lament spoke]

may i ask why is the default for player tokens to have a vision max range of 0? as well as hidden stamina and names?
also, how do i turn off the wasd token rotation? its annoying

[short wadi]

Foundry and the DS make no assumptions of how you wish to play the game. You can edit protype token under the Core settings, "Prototype Token Overrides".

Same with automatic token rotation.

[lament spoke]

thank you

now its only the default vision range that annoys me

[short wadi]

Fair, you're probably not making tokens for players every session. DS )the game itself) largely doesnt do vision with lighting and such, so there's not much to fiddle with

[simple nova]

1. definitely adjust your PC prototype tokens to your liking, you can do that from the header buttons
2. There's a core setting to turn off movement rotation

[simple nova]

Version 0.9.1 is now available

A few extra bug fixes to the compendium data and code before the weekend.

Full Changelog: https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/releases/tag/release-0.9.1

[amber zealot]

Damn, that was a quick update

[simple nova]

Characteristic increase bug was high enough priority to fix

[half grotto]

Sending this quick and dirty here while running a session, but the Enchantment of Distance in the book is 2, on the active effect it was set to 1, just wanted to send it here!

[wind kite]

Quick Question. Is there an way to activate an effect on ability use?

[simple nova]

Could you be more specific? Draw Steel and Foundry use "effect" to mean a lot of things

[gusty swallow]

I see that Growing Ferocity has been separated to individual feature (it used to be part of primordial strength) and now my Fury doesn't have it.
Should I add it manually? Updating "Berserker" or "Primordial Strength" from compendium doesn't add Growing Ferocity.
Are there any other such examples that we should look out for?

btw that sounds like breaking change worth noting in changelog

[simple nova]

Honestly you can just drag and drop it in and it'll be fine

but also you should be able to re-run that advancement

[gusty swallow]

got it, so I guess I should re-run all available advancements to make sure any features/abilities are updates, correct?

[simple nova]

yeah, this was a pretty unusual update with how much we added/restructured

going forward it's basically just gonna be errata

[gusty swallow]

It's probably a long shot, but any idea why renderActorSheet event might have stopped triggering with 0.9.x? Babele relies on it for rendering additional button to translate all actor items, now it's not called when opening character sheet

[simple nova]

Ah because we refactored to just extend DocumentSheet directly, we don't really like the internals on ActorSheetV2

[gusty swallow]

oh that's very unfortunate for babele usage 🙁

[simple nova]

I have an idea for a fix

[gusty swallow]

No need for it anymore, I just figured out how to do it with a macro, they exposed api to translate an actor! Apologies for making trouble 😅

[eager fog]

Hey guys, hope youre all doing well. I'm trying to run a thingie and I was just wondering if people have a list of modules they would recommend for Draw steel :D

[simple nova]

Honestly, DSN is the only one I would recommend that's not like a paid map pack from CzePeku/MadCartographer

[eager fog]

okie doke ty

[half grotto]

Guys, I'm still having this problem from months ago in regards to the window of active effects cutting off. This is with no modules enabled. Thoughts?

That was Edge, this is chrome:

And Firefox:

[steady vault]

Are you on the latest version of Foundry and of the Draw Steel system?

[half grotto]

13.351 for Foundry and v0.9.1 for System

[simple nova]

What font size are you using?

Also, can you reproduce this in other systems?

We don't meaningfully change that part of the AE config

[half grotto]

Oh wow...Font size is the issue. Anything above 5 screws it all up. That's wild

[simple nova]

We've got a ticket to validate font size issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't on us for once since that's a core sheet

[south hazel]

what's DSN?

[manic hinge]

Dice So Nice.

[south hazel]

ah. yeah, that's a must 🤣

[south hazel]

I found the icons drafty made for surges. anyone knows if someone made similar ones for heroic resources?

also, might've been done already so ill ask just in case: possible to combine a "add 1/2/3 surges" macro to token markers with the 1/2/3 surge icons?

[steady vault]

What do you mean? Is it possible for the Add Surges macro to also apply token markers? If the module has keys you can target, yes. If that is what you are asking, I would suggest you ask in https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1418264815519924435.

[south hazel]

ill move and ask over there, thank you

[gusty swallow]

Is this known/expected that "With Captain" effect doesn't toggle when toggling captain in a squad?

This looks strange (effect start - round 3), but even if I progress to round 3-4 it doesn't trigger automatically. Not sure, maybe it's just not implemented yet?

[wind kite]

Ah sorry. I meant active effects, that provide roll Data adaptions Like movement or potency.
More specifically, I'm hoping to toggle the active aura effect of the Nulls Nullfield, when my player uses that ability.

[steady vault]

Yes, simply add an active effect to the ability and when clicked, the effect will activate.

[simple nova]

Yes, the effects exist but currently must be manually turned on and off. Our hope is that the core improvements to active effects in v14 will make them automatically toggle

[marsh edge]

Not sure this is the correct place to ask this question. I'm working on adapting my monster importer to work with either prerelease pdf's or official pdfs. Looking at the Ooze document, there are some very weird formatting choices that were made. For example, strange appearances of symbols instead of letters. Might +2 Agility −2 Reason −3 IntuiƟon 0 Presence −2 Look at how intuition shows up. This is how shift shows up: shiŌ . Are these intentional?

The word splitting: spliƫng

[shadow fog]

making sure I'm not missing something before I post an issue on the git. I'm not seeing a way to choose perk from advancements?

[simple nova]

PDF is a messy format to parse unfortunately

[simple nova]

Drag from the compendium. We're slowly working on improvements

The ultimate goal is to have a Compendium Browser that integrates with the advancement workflow, but there's a lot of steps between here and there

[lament spoke]

how do we keep track of surges, hero tokens and malice?
I see a macro for spending surges (which doesnt trigger shadow), but i see that there is already some thing to keep track of hero tokens and malice maybe, i probably just cant find it

[eager helm]

surges are tracked on the sheet, hero tokens is a ui in the bottom left hand corner, and malice is located on monster stat blocks

[simple nova]

Malice is also in the bottom left UI during combat

[lament spoke]

ok, thanks for pointing those out

is there automation set up for gaining malice and spending surges innate to the system or did pf2e spoil me?

[eager helm]

i use bar brawl and have a bar that shows current surges

[eager helm]

for the former, the game does that automatically

whenever u go to a new round/start combat

theres no automation for spending surges rn

[dapper coral]

Sorry if I've missed it, it's a bit hard to search by it. But what's the best way to get the full list of advancements into a character made before .9.x?

[simple nova]

Malice is basically fully automated, Hero Tokens are 80% of the way there (just need to implement the Test Reroll one), and Surges are unfortunately on teh back burner

[simple nova]

you should be able to open up the class and just hit "Update from Compendium" from the header buttons

[dapper coral]

Oh I think I see it.

That's slick now that I know there's. a button. 🤣

[simple nova]

by default it's not visible to players, there's a setting to enable that

the actual API functions are exposed for any macro enterpreneurs

[lament spoke]

is there a way to make auras that follow a creature? i wanna see the nul field

[simple nova]

There's an Aura Effects module for now, and then v14 will bring core support

[marsh edge]

Oh, and it’s different when copied from Acrobat…fanfreakingtastic

[alpine meadow]

I do wish I could move the Malice and Tokens to somewhere that's more visible

[simple nova]

I could see us integrating them into a top-center UI piece eventually

[alpine meadow]

that would be nice

I usually have my combat tracker on the left so I can keep the chat open

[trim nexus]

Hi 🙂 Was wondering if there is a way to turn off the auto heroic resource generation when their turn starts? My players really want to be able to roll their own dice instead of the system doing so

[steady vault]

I don't believe that's an option right now.

[simple nova]

You can turn on manual rolls in the core dice settings. There's a couple ways you can get that to work; a small script to add d3 to the options or just adjusting the formula to be ceil(1d6 / 2)

[south hazel]

me and my group had a sesh yesterday and we could not for the life of us find the ferocity table for our raden fury anywhere in their sheet. it's either missing entirely or hidden away somewhere very obscure, or maybe his char got something going on?

[wind kite]

That doesn't seem to work for me. Once I add an effect to an ability, the effect is applied to the actor. But it does not toggle between active and inactive by clicking the ability.

[simple nova]

We split it off into its own feature, so if you updated everything from the compendium but didn't redo the advancement it would be missing

[simple nova]

Needs to be under Applied Effects, which is when transfer is false

[south hazel]

that's probably it then, yes. I only updated things. thank you

[wind kite]

I feel like I'm missing something I configured an effect s applied effect on an ability. Still, it does not apply to the actor once the ability is used.

[simple nova]

You'd either need an Applied power roll effect or the [[/apply]] enricher

The null field is on the list of things though that won't truly be smooth until v14 gives us attached region templates

[wind kite]

It's less about the effect, I want to add visuals with automated animation :D. The enricher works thanks 🙂

[simple nova]

Ahh, yeah we need to do something to better support AA but so far there has been zero overlap between "people who care about AA" and "people with the technical ability to add support to the system"

[wind kite]

Wish I could help. But I'm also not overlapping 😄

[zenith wadi]

How do we recommend setting up retainers? Using npc sheets there are no recoveries section and player side gets a little wonky (but doable). Just wondering the best way if anyone has figured it out.

[eager helm]

i used an npc sheet, gave players access to it, and set up a custom bar with bar brawl to represent recoveries

[simple nova]

We will eventually have a retainer actor type but yeah in the interim recoveries are going to need alternative/creative solutions

[short wadi]

Ive just been using the patience and interest section on the biography tab lmao, for recoveries

[simple nova]

ok that's objectively funny

[half grotto]

I love that

[alpine meadow]

Its it possible to add an effect that causes someone to roll 1d10 when they make a power roll?

Trying to jerry ring a solution for Blessing of Fate and Destiny.

[eager helm]

i believe "roll 3d10, take highest 2" is being implemented next update

[alpine meadow]

ah well that will be nice.

[simple nova]

It's ticketed at least

Sometimes stuff gets cut, but I think that will make it

[alpine meadow]

Also, can you only apply effects that have conditions tied to them right now? Trying to make just like, a judgement "effect" that just adds the icon onto a monster for my Censor player

I know in D&D it would just have something at the bottom there, unless that wsa being created by one of my many modules which is...likely

[simple nova]

click the vertical ellipsis of Judgment then hit "Update from Compendium"

(I assume you updated to 0.9.1)

[alpine meadow]

yeah i did

got it updated but nothing happens.

oh wait I have condition lab

[simple nova]

@alpine meadow from the screenshot it looks like the enricher is broken in chat for some reason

that part at the top of the effect where it has the [[/apply bit

it should match up with the ID of the judgment effect

[alpine meadow]

Yeah that's still there after I updated it to

I haven't touched it

[simple nova]

You may need to edit the text with whatever the ID is of the applied effect

[alpine meadow]

Gotcha

[simple nova]

you can get that by right clicking the book icon in the header

[alpine meadow]

Alright I'll try that in the mornign

[wind kite]

Is there a way to update all items on a character, from the compendium, at once?

[south hazel]

you could reapply the updated class/subclass/career etc which should redo the advancements

[simple nova]

Yeah 0.9 was a large enough update it's probably faster to just re-do the character building

[short wadi]

I haven't looked too deep, not home atm and had a player ask. Is there a drag and drop "custom culture" option? Or would you essentially have to just hand make one?

[simple nova]

You can create a culture in the item sidebar, and when adding advancements there's preconfigured options for each of the aspects

[short wadi]

Sweet, that seems straight forward.

[eager helm]

ive continiously got the way minion tracking is done confused

so you deal damage to a minion and it reduces the stamina pool right

but if you delete a minion from that squad, it doesnt decrease the stamina max, which is how i tracked the total amount of minions left in the pool in the past

so how are you supposed to track when a minion dies

other than doing weird impromtu math mid-combat

[zinc glen]

I'm not sure I understand the question
is the "weird impromptu math" dividing the current stamina by the stamina of an individual minion?

[eager helm]

in the past i could delete a token when it dies and it would reduce the max stamina value of the stamina pool an equal amount

so i could tell without having to do math (just stop deleting tokens when the max is greater than the current value)

it doesnt do that now

so you have to calculate how many are removed

each time they take damage

for instance, if each minion has 10 stamina, that means the stamina pool is 80 right?

[zinc glen]

if there's 8 of them, yes

[eager helm]

so if a pc deals like....16 damage, then you have to calculate how many are removed

[zinc glen]

yes

[eager helm]

okay

but theres no way to easily tell without doing that mental math

like i was able to do before

[zinc glen]

yeah, I see what you are saying now, thanks for the clarification

[eager helm]

is there another way to track minions that im missing then

[zinc glen]

no, I just made bad assumptions based on your "weird maths" comment

[south hazel]

is there anything automated for captains in a minion squad? I see they have inactive effects for it, but even if i turn it on nothing happens. am i meant to edit the sheet directly myself?

[ashen dagger]

I've been doing what AmbyNavy does is their video by copying an extra minion over and adjusting its health stats to be the group total with "segmented" health and using it to track health. Lose a segment(s) pull that number of minions. Not as easy to do on the fly but it works if you've prepped.
https://youtu.be/ahpDUfUqV6Y?si=gstzsCVBsyxWqzi_

[simple nova]

Yeah currently we don't have automation for the toggle

Should be possible in v14

[south hazel]

you could use an encounter sheet like the ones that come with the premade adventures.

just a random example.

[eager helm]

thats not much help when im running the game on foundry.

[simple nova]

Is this new behavior with 0.9?

Seems off

[eager helm]

yeah

is that not intended?

[simple nova]

Feel free to file a ticket, we've got an 0.9.2 well release in a few weeks

Need to evaluate what changed

[eager helm]

i wanna make sure this isnt just me

[simple nova]

I don't remember that being intentional

[eager helm]

before i submit a ticket

ive been able to reproduce it

but idk if its intentional

whats the intended workflow for minion stamina tracking?

[south hazel]

I did find it confusing how the minion squad stamina is tracked

removing one minion does indeed leave the squad's stamina the same

[eager helm]

im moreso curious if thats what ur SUPPOSED to be doing

[south hazel]

usually what I've been doing is having an extra of each minion in the encounter on the corner of the map so i can quickly check the individual stamina of each one. doing the math isnt that bad, altho it probably gets more difficult once you reach higher levels

[simple nova]

I honestly don't remember what we've been doing there, file a ticket and the worst that happens is it gets closed

[eager helm]

thats fair

ill do that

[steady vault]

The "intended" way is (or was, sounds like it's bugged right now) that you would deal damage to a squad and if that damage reduced the squad to a multiple of a single minion's stamina—the number in parentheses, assuming all minions in the squad are the same—then you mark them defeated or invisible but don't delete them, since that would mess with the squad's max stamina. It is the equivalent of the 12/9/6/3 Stamina thing on paper, but it is a little or a lot more clunky. Took me a while to get used to and will need to be improved further down the line. I believe there is a ticket for "better minion squad stamina tracking"—though I might have hallucinated that.

[eager helm]

sounds like i should blame mcdm then

[simple nova]

I do know we preserve current stamina

[steady vault]

Kinda. Though I think it's easier to track on paper than on a VTT without visual aids or automation. It's easy to count up damage instead of counting down stamina to meet those stamina "thresholds" (and the players won't know!). So 3/6/9/12 damage taken (remove 1/2/3/4 minions) vs 12/9/6/3 stamina remaining (remove 1/2/3/4 minions).

Most of the time, you won't kill more than one or two extra minions besides the one targeted, though. At least, not in my experience with level 1 heroes, so far.

So the math isn't too crazy.

[eager helm]

yeah for sure

[simple nova]

Ultimately issues get primarily tracked via GitHub

[alpine meadow]

yea counting up as long as you know what the minon's value is is really easy

[simple nova]

I hit up an artist on Bluesky who was making token art and turned his collection into an art pack. I've submitted the package to the official foundry listing, but you can perform a manual install using this link:https://github.com/JPMeehan/ds-tokens-max-hamm/releases/download/0.9.0/module.json

https://bsky.app/profile/maxhamm.bsky.social artist profile

maxhamm.bsky.social

Bluesky

[lunar shell]

oh that's fantastic

thanks very much to you and the artist

[simple nova]

initial release is only A-C, will update in batches

[lunar shell]

still super useful

of course, just after I went and made a bunch of angulotl tokens lol

such is life

oh yeah, player of mine is interested in swapping to summoner, is there an eta on the foundry implementation of it? no rush at all of course, very grateful for all the work done already

[simple nova]

so, compendium data wise our hands are tied; it's not in the license yet

as for all the fancy automation? We'll see, I think the lack of license means priorities are different than they would be if it had been added

[lunar shell]

yeah that makes sense

shame, but I imagine the licensing issue will get sorted at some point

I can probably jerry rig a deeeeecent amount of it myself, just gonna be a pain updating the minion groups in the initiative tracker three times a round lol

[simple nova]

They do plan to add it to the license eventually #ds_general message

[simple nova]

I think in the meanwhile, macros can get you very far

[lunar shell]

yeah I'll have a play around with it

player just saw the fey summoner art in the book and absolutely fell in love, I'm sure I can work something out

has anyone done any summoner macros or the like yet? I can share my work on here if I make anything usable

[simple nova]

#1418264815519924435 is the usual place people hash out macro shenanigans

[static pebble]

this is awesome

[lofty copper]

im horrified (positive) this video is still getting use

its so out of date LMAO

what the fuck do you MEAN 2.6k views

[south hazel]

wow, you read my mind. I saw them yesterday and saved their post to add them myself later.
granted I still have flee mortals bought in foundry so I have a bunch of token art already but it's nice for the ones that are missing

[supple night]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

[supple night]

Never made a short before, but I made one just for the discussion above
Search: Draw Steel Minions, FoundryVTT, Foundry, Minions, Squad, Group

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sdpX1e_EKPI

[dapper coral]

.... THANK YOU. 🤣

[simple nova]

@eager helm this video shows the max stamina going down with token deletion

[eager helm]

maybe i AM doing it wrong then

[eager helm]

i watched this vid and it matches what i do regularly

how were the minions put in the scene?

maybe thats where im messing up

im copy and pasting the tokens

[supple night]

Just dragged and dropped from the compendium

[valid tinsel]

listening to the dulcet tones of mike calms me down

[eager helm]

hmmmm

lemme try that

yeah that seems to fix it

so i suppose it just doesnt like it when u copy and paste tokens?

okay i just tested it again and its not working

i gotta find where the breaking issu eis

[simple nova]

Ideally you've got one base actor per minion type

so import from compendium to actor sidebar, then drag from actor sidebar

[eager helm]

yeah but copying and pasting is easier for me

[eager helm]

what do u mean by this?

[simple nova]

Copy paste should be equivalent to freshly dragging from the actor sidebar

[eager helm]

it isnt, or at least, i just tested it and the issue is specifically when i use tokens that are copy and pasted

[balmy nova]

and regarding this, is there a quick macro to "mark as dead" that works? I like leaving the corpses behind, usually mark them with the big skull via the combat tracker, but sometimes it's hard to know which minion is which (the hover marker is completly hidden by the selected token marker)

[tall mantle]

Hi, thanks for making this! Are retainers/retainer abilities in the system compendium?

[simple nova]

I think if you hover the token it will highlight the combatant?

[simple nova]

No, retainers are still on the TODO list. We need to implement an additional actor type to support them.

[tall mantle]

Thanks!

[simple nova]

They're on the "must have" list before we call the system 1.0

I expect we'll have at least 0.10, 0.11, and maybe 0.12 before we get there

0.12 has a very good chance of being a v14 release

[balmy nova]

no highlight on hover or selection on my side, but one of my mods might be interfering

[eager helm]

ive made a "dead" status that you can overlay on a token by shift clicking iirc

[balmy nova]

yeah, I've been just clicking the skull on the combat tracker. The problem I have (and it's bc of my own flow. not the module) is that I usually have the minions selected, then go to the combat tracker and hover to find which minion is each. Hovering on combat tracker places the red hover marker on the token, but it's hidden by the token selection marker, and I need to make sure to "unselect" the minions beforehand haha

[simple nova]

yeah some of this is also that the core software needs to do some work here

we're certainly not the only system that is likely to have a lot of copies of the same monster

[balmy nova]

this option exists on the token prototype, which can help
But I don't really like it tbh

[simple nova]

yeah, there's some tools but I still think the hover distinction could be clearer

[balmy nova]

Best solution I've come to is to set up autonumbering+show name on hover.
But since it's not the default setting, I need to go into every creature and configure the prototype

[simple nova]

prototype token overrides and/or macros

[balmy nova]

oh I didn't know that, I'll test it and check if it's enough to improve my flow

[haughty tundra]

Is there a way that I can have the damage that's been applied recorded in chat, either through a setting or a module? Used to having that in pf2e and sometimes I don't see the damage being applied correctly. Also sometimes forget I have to select the creatute to apply damage to first and apply it to the wrong one

[simple nova]

Not something the base system plans to implement but could very easily be done as a module if someone wants to make one

[clear brook]

Would anyone happen to know a macro to toggle visibility? The ones I can find seem to be out of date.

[simple nova]

toggle visibility of what

[clear brook]

Tokens

[simple nova]

Do you need anything more than select multiple tokens, right click one of them to pull up the HUD, then clicking the visibility button?

[eager helm]

why not?

[simple nova]

The chat log just isn't well suited to be a combat recap with the way it's currently structured.

[clear brook]

Well I was just hoping to have something a little speedier if there was an easy macro for it. I was trying to figure out how I want to run this Wallmaster soon, with all the walls appearing and moving through the turns.

[balmy nova]

My solution might be a bit hackish, but:
I set up a locked secret door (so the players can't interact with it or see the door symbol) with any animation type.
Then go down to Door Animation, and set up a piece of wall as Door Texture.
I had one of these offscreen, where the players couldn't see it, ready to copy-paste to wherever I wanted the walleye to create a new wall.
This way, it uses the native wall system to interact with vision and light

Best part is, though I used the same wall texture, my players immediatly suspected the assimetry of the room, so I gave them an edge to notice the walleye

[clear brook]

I was thinking about using "actual" VTT walls, but shouldn't the walls occupy a square and not sides of a square? That was my understanding of the Draw Steel combat walls.

[simple nova]

yeah they're each a 1x1 segment

[balmy nova]

Technically yes, they are 1x1 boxes.
But I don't think anything breaks if you just create walls occupying the center of the tile, and treat it as a fully occupied square

[simple nova]

also true, especially if they're invisible

just gotta watch movement that's trying to cut the corner

[balmy nova]

but if you prefer to fill the whole square, you just need to put the doors around the tiles (make sure your texture looks good in both short and long stretches unlike mine)

[alpine meadow]

someone hsould pin that video about managing minions

[simple nova]

Yeah actually this video is a good overview

[celest dock]

I just tried this with copy/pasted tokens and it was lowering the minion pool's max stamina appropriately. I wonder if there's possibly some module interference?

[slim marsh]

Just commenting regarding the wall item, perhaps I made it overcomplicated but I used a module called, Token Attacher. I saved a wall segment from the map, set it as my token image, put it at the scale I wanted, then used Token Attacher to attach a 1sq wall to it down the middle.

Now I have a token with Stamina that players can target/destroy, that includes the visibility, can be placed quickly with copy/paste. The finagling of the image for offcentering or otherwise took me more time than the rest but I do like having something that I can just quickly copy/paste with corresponding stamina for the other mechanics for quick deletion or another copy/paste at the next round.

[eager helm]

huh, i can check it but i cant think of anything that would conflict

[simple nova]

can you do a screen record with your normal module load + test without modules?

[eager helm]

idk how to do that

[steady vault]

What is your normal OS? Windows, MacOS, other?

[eager helm]

windows

[steady vault]

Win+G can screen record.

[celest dock]

I also wonder if there are any errors in the console (F12).

[solid light]

I was getting the same effect when I had "token mold" active. When I deleted tokens they remained in the combat tracker so the total health remained the same. This might have to do with token mold adding "(#)" after each creature name. Deactivating the mod brought foundry back to intended behavior (deleted tokens not adding to the minion health pool).

[clear brook]

Thanks for the replay, I'll look into it!

[ancient delta]

Hi Foundry gang, anyone know a good aura module to use for DS?

[eager helm]

i use token aura ring

or something like that

[simple nova]

Aura Effects is another good one

Keep in mind that come v14 we'll be transitioning to core's new support

[steady vault]

Will auras be included with the module refactor for V14? I don't mean core Foundry, but the system specifically.

[simple nova]

So, core is supporting them fairly well, we just need to implement a smooth way to one click place/activate them

Core though is handling the "designate an area that moves with a token that can apply an active effect"

[eager helm]

i solved it....i think

it was macro bar

[simple nova]

That's surprising

[eager helm]

i wanna do more testing

just to make sure

i think it was a confluance of a couple of issues, i think

[supple night]

I've been using Grid Aware Auras, which works well since Draw Steel does everything in squares.
There's options for automations, too. Like Effects you can apply or Macros you can run, but for now I just have flat auras.

There aren't actually that many persistent auras in Draw Steel, so you could assign textures or colors for specific ones.

[supple night]

Using the settings you can set them up in such a way that they automatically get applied to all tokens of a certain type.
Just make sure their default state is disabled so that tokens don't spawn in with this disco of effects, but you can just enable them as needed

This also works with monsters imported from the Draw Steel compendiums, not just newly created monsters.

[soft token]

Oof, that poor Token config.

Foundry really didn't build these with module tabs in mind, did they.

[supple night]

Yeah 😅 but to be fair I'm testing a whole lot of modules at the moment, I'll probably do away with some.
The module "Healt Estimate" for example is one I consider a staple in my games in other systems, but since the "Dying" and "Winded" conditions get visibly applied at certain health thresholds you don't really need Health Estimate.
I may just also opt to play with enemy health visible.

[steady vault]

I actually elected to add that module even though I have not used it in other systems to provide more granularity (for monsters) so the players know the difference between 50% stamina (winded) and 25% stamina, etc.

[supple night]

Yeah, I can understand that. It does add a little visible clarity though the colours.
Token settings also aren't visible unless you have permissions for it, so it's only the DM that has to deal with the clutter.

I suppose it depends on whether or not you play with health values visible to all.
Draw Steel is the kinda system where I'd consider having it all on display since you want players to make tactical, informed decisions.

Was trying out the Bar Brawl module since it would allow you to display things like surges on the token, but it doesn't understand Draw Steel's negative health thing.

[steady vault]

True enough. My thought process was similar, but I also thought my players already had many numbers to keep track of, so words (health estimates) would be useful in the decision making, without adding too much to their poor non-directorial brains.

[steady vault]

(on a sidenote, good job with those tokens' art; arguably better than my attempt, especially for the Elementalist and the Null)

[supple night]

Haha, wish I could take credit for it, but I got them from a reddit post 😛
https://www.reddit.com/r/drawsteel/comments/1nuz0l1/i_tokenized_the_pregens_for_the_delian_tomb/

[steady vault]

Well good job to ORANGEJUICE, than.

[simple nova]

The Max Hamm tokens are now officially listed!

https://foundryvtt.com/packages/ds-tokens-max-hamm

[valid tinsel]

wooot

[slim marsh]

Very cool! I wish I was able to easily work with them with dynamic token ring functions for Ring Color in combat grouping but this is a great option!

[simple nova]

Yeah, wasn't about to ask Max to redo the token to leverage the dynamic rings

[supple night]

Understandable. You can quite easily cut them into shape using Tokenizer.
I happen to show that bit in my Draw Steel modules video

You just gotta use the round mask and it'll work out of the box 👍

[slim marsh]

You can also mask in a duplicate layer of the art to get that "coming out of the token" look with tokenizer. So, like you said, not a deal breaker just takes a bit of time.

[atomic geode]

Hi, I've played DS in foundry this week for the first time. Abilities in the chat are kind of too much. There is a lot of information that I think players don't need when they are already making power rolls. So I looked how rolls awere made in the owlbear and codex, also how daggerheart was implemented in foundry.

I came up with this.

I don't know how foundry modules work, but I'd guess it is possible to replicate what I did

Also it would be nice to see source of ability in the menu. Smth like this

[faint wigeon]

From what I've seen there are currently open issues in the Draw Steel GitHub to use "Message Parts" so perhaps feedback on that can be put there.
For a more immediate solution, you can use the "Custom CSS" module to hide those parts

In the "World" section of Custom CSS

.chat-message .metadata { display: none; }
.chat-message .powerResult { display: none; }

[versed pollen]

I think it's much more a layout thing than having too much actual information in there

for example if you take the same layout the book uses it compresses significantly (edit: oops i forgot the target symbol)

but this is version 0.9, I'd imagine the priority is making the system work before prettying up the interface

That said only reporting the instructions for the tier you rolled definitely isn't a bad idea for wordy abilities

[simple nova]

Correct. We also only recently got access to the glyphs.

[shadow fog]

The pf2e implementation in foundry is done really well if you want to reference something

[solid light]

From what I'm reading the goal right now seems to be getting something functional, then dealing with packaging. PF2E is a finished product. It's not a bad thing to look at, I just don't think we are at a point where there is a lot to pull yet. As Chaos pointed out, we just got access to the official glyphs.

[versed pollen]

yeah, the thing you can't forget about pf2e's implementation is it's been going for five, maybe six years

[short wadi]

If I'm not mistaken, it's also their "official" implementation

[versed pollen]

I'm pretty sure it's still built and maintained by volunteers, but I think Foundry and Paizo both recognise it's a big boost to their game and support it where they can

[soft token]

pf2e is indeed 'official', but it also has many years of... well, cheeto dust in all the wrinkles.

[versed pollen]

like it gets early access to the books

[soft token]

Yeah fun fact, we (MM) drop the paizo APs on day one as part of the partnership. :)

[versed pollen]

me trying to remember what mm stands for

[soft token]

Regardless, with DS on foundry we are aiming for something more modern, which means pf2e's fvtt implementation doesn't make for a great example

[soft token]

MetaMorphic.

[versed pollen]

ooh

wait so what's metamorphic's involvement in foundry's ds implementation?

[simple nova]

Well, MetaMorphic also produced the fvtt implementations of Flee Mortals/Where Evil Lives and the the 5e class Bundle

[versed pollen]

I mean are they helping build the base DS system? or just keeping an eye on it because there's a good chance they'll be making modules for it?

[manic hinge]

both chaos and zhell (the main devs behind the ds system implentation) are MM employees

[versed pollen]

ooooooh I get it now

that had flown over my head

[versed pollen]

do we know anything yet about what will be sold as modules and what goes in the system?

[simple nova]

There are no currently announced premium modules. The system will include as much as the Draw Steel Creator License can cover.

[supple night]

Which is a shame, but it's well-known that MCDM is working with DMHub to make the Codex.
From what I recall the license won't cover new content like the Summoner for many months, which sucks.
Not to say that I'd want that content for free asap, I'd be willing to pay for it through premium modules to get access to them, but it seems that won't be an option.

[versed pollen]

It has a delay on it? Huh

[eager helm]

mcdm needs to make RoI on summoner before they make it avaliable through other methods

[versed pollen]

what's roi

[supple night]

There's a Matt Colville post on it somewhere, but it comes down to the fact that the core books were financed through Kickstarter, so they already paid for themselves.
New content is financed by MCDM themselves, so they'd have to give it some time to give ROI (Return on Investment) before making it free throught he license.

[versed pollen]

aaaah

I wonder why that's not a problem for paizo

or maybe it actually is a problem for paizo

and they just didn't address it

[supple night]

In the case of FoundryVTT it's because Paizo sells the content as premium modules

Their APs get sold as FoundryVTT modules and they're great quality, I've bought like a dozen of them.

[versed pollen]

APs yes, rulebooks no

[eager helm]

matt has said doing extended work with foundry has always not been a good deal for them

[supple night]

I think Archives of Netys have a delay as well? Monster Core 2 has been out for a while, but it hasn't shown on AoN.

Maybe that's just because of the work involved, not because of any agreement though.,

[versed pollen]

as i understand it aon's delays are data entry delays rather than by design, yeah

[supple night]

Understandable. I do wish they'd sell the official art as modules like how Paizo has done.

[versed pollen]

but back when I was playing PF2E some of aon's competitors would have the new rules implemented in a day or two
which now you point it out yeah, you'd expect that to really hurt book sales

[supple night]

ChaosOS actually implemented an art package in a module earlier this week.
I'm not sure how much work for involved for them to do it, but it feels like an easy win for MCDM

Since their monster book already has a ton of art.

[versed pollen]

is there art for every monster though?

[supple night]

Hmm, not sure. I think there's some gaps.

I've been mostly content with just running my games using the creature type placeholder art.

So I haven't looked into it too much.

[molten ginkgo]

There is not art for every monster, and there are a bunch of gaps. Matt mentioned recently that they may look for a way to address that, as the Codex team are having to rip images from previous MCDM products just to get low-res potential art. But art is one of their biggest expenses (behind Matt's time spent writing fiction), so I'd expect they'll need to fund it somehow (unless - or maybe even if - Crack the Sun does crazy numbers)

[ashen dagger]

It's from an artist just doing work on the internet. Believe Chaos said the plan was everything but it's just A-C atm

[ashen dagger]

Matt's made it sound like the Crack the Sun funding successfully is a "must" for things to continue as they have

DS is still really new and for a new company. Matt's been pretty open about what he feels NEEDS to happen before they get to the WANTS to happen. CtS funding sounds like it's going to be pretty important for the future

I'll continue to throw $$ at them and wait as long as it's going to take for official art. Until then I can use tokenizer with what's available or just on the internet 😉

[simple nova]

For an example of what it takes to backfill art, the MetaMorphic produced #mcdm5e_flee-mortals is also a good example

[ashen dagger]

Flee Mortals and the PF2E token packs have served me well

[versed pollen]

Converting the art into tokens is also a skill, you need an eye for composition or they can look really amateurish, which is a problem if you're selling them

That's not to say MCDM couldn't do it, but doing it well is not a quick job

And that money and time could go elsewhere

[simple nova]

Foundry also has unique wants with the Dynamic Token Rings

[supple night]

I hope Crack the Sun does well 🙏
Two more days, it seems.

[supple night]

Is data entry for the monsters done by hand or through some kind of importer?
I'm setting up the Delian Tomb atm and I've hit the point where I'm supposed to add the delian tomb unique monsters not included in the compendium.
I don't mind doing it by hand, but it'd obviously would be nice to just import them.

[simple nova]

Imported from Steel Compendium then touched up by hand

But that's because the licensed monsters are well covered

[wicked ruin]

Yeah I'm hoping it does well and MCDM can plan for a lot more Draw Steel. I know I plan on backing pretty much everything

[wicked ruin]

Hopefully they let you make some premium modules, especially for the adventures. Hard to say with MCDM having an official VTT.

[balmy nova]

That's the key, with the Codex being a thing, MCDM has an interest (and probably a contractual obligation with DMHub) to keep it being the only official source of VTT premium content

[supple night]

I don't see myself switching from FoundryVTT, so I hope we'll see premium content for FoundryVTT in the future.

[marsh edge]

I’m working on modifying my importer so that it can work with pdf copy/paste.

[supple night]

That’d be great 🙏
I’ve done about 8 monsters so far and it’s not exactly a fun job to do this manually
I suppose that’s the one big downside of using VTTs with a lot of automation. At some point somebody had to enter all the data to make the automation work 😛

[silk plover]

I mean nowadays wotc has DND beyond as a vtt. They still put out stuff on foundry, some stuff being even old adventures. As long as it's not wotc doing the workload primarily, they let foundry get that stuff. I'd imagine a similar thing for mcdm and foundry, since the class bundle was done by like.. another group?

[supple night]

It was done by Metamorphic Digital, the same people that do most of the work on the FoundryVTT version of Draw Steel

[lament spoke]

i think i found a bug, lol

[eager helm]

thats intentional iirc

that last bit represents ur negative stamina

from 0 to negative winded

[celest dock]

Yeah, its intentional.

[lament spoke]

that seems, not very helpful

i think a health bar should tell me how much health i have before i stop being useful, not also track death saves before they even become relevant

is there a way to configure this away?

[celest dock]

There is not.

[lament spoke]

this sucks

i wish that whoever made that decision had their drinks always be the wrong temperature

[celest dock]

I did that lol

[lament spoke]

well, how do you like your beverages then /j

could you walk me through why?

[celest dock]

Negative health is a very important aspect of Draw Steel and is technically part of your total health. Its not like death saves where you can't do anything. So if its not shown, you can't quickly see how close you are to actually being dead.

[lament spoke]

couldnt you just do this then?

because currently we dont see a threshhold for "i'm bleeding out on the ground and cant fight"

[balmy nova]

While I agree with this, the UI needs work for this to be intuitive for players.
Lots of time my players see that their allies have half a HP bar, so don't worry about healing, and get surprised when they start dying!

Also, while I understand negative stamina is a key part of DS design, most players won't risk it, specially at lower levels.
After going negative, even assuming 0 Stamina, 3 out of 4 of my players are 1 bad bleed roll + 1 T1 damage roll from dying.

[steady vault]

I seem to recall something about how core Foundry only supports two health states (as above or below 50% and that's it). In reality, Draw Steel needs three colors or segments for the health bar, but core doesn't support that. For now, modules can fix that with stuff like Health Estimates or Bar Brawl or Boss Bar.

Is that correct, @celest dock ?

[short wadi]

Some kinda divider could be useful

[dapper coral]

Worth keeping in mind that dying doesn't mean out in Draw Steel. You're still gonna be useful, just a very risky kinda useful.

[simple nova]

I think there's more that can be done yes

[eager helm]

if its useful i use bar brawl and when i config it on BB it sets it to "normal"

aka full to 0

then when its empty it counts negatives

[sudden whale]

For what it's worth, we don't have any kind of agreement or contract with MCDM limiting their ability to work with other digital platforms.

We think that you should be able to play Draw Steel using the software that works best for you.

[silk plover]

I love the codex and how it's shaping up, I'm simply worried about how it's gonna do pricing and foundry may be what i stick to if that's too tricky. Hopefully mcdm has interest in letting folks officially make stuff.

[eager helm]

i think djordi said their current idea for pricing is 20 bucks for a key, or 100 bucks for a party pack

[silk plover]

See, I think they're banking too much on players being willing to buy it or the GM being willing to foot the bill.

Even talespire introduced a way to buy seats for a GM, which yes means the GM is footing the bill but at least it's not buying something that is given to someone else.

[eager helm]

maybe im not a buisness expert

[silk plover]

When I ran fantasy grounds I bought the ultimate edition, I didn't make my players contribute anything.

I'm worried it'll bite them since I've seen it eat at other vtts in the past.

[eager helm]

i try not to get too invested in the decisions of companies

[silk plover]

To be more on topic, I'm curious to know the config for this

[eager helm]

i literally do bar brawl and set the attribute to stamina

lol

i can post the full config later

[supple night]

I actually tested Bar Brawl for my video, but it didn't work out of the box with Draw Steel's negative health stuff.
Would be nice to get it to work since I'd like to show Surges / Heroic Resource on the token

[soft token]

This is not quite true, no.

[eager helm]

u can do a bar with bar brawl and attach it to surges or HR

[eager helm]

this is just one example

[silk plover]

Looks nice though for having it all there

[tall mantle]

Is it possible to get free strikes from monsters to show in the chat log or is the thought that would that end up being really messy/noisy?

[steady vault]

It would be noisy. The chat doesn't provide a damage log.

[supple night]

There are some standalone modules that track all damage and put it into a chat log or summarized view.

[supple night]

What's the cleanest way to gain/spend surges in FoundryVTT?
I currently use a macro from #1418264815519924435

Also a question: What are the odds that the folks working on the system module will create module specific UI elements at some point?
With this I mean things like buttons at the token to do things, because if there's no plans for that I may work on a module myself to do so.

[simple nova]

I think we eventually want a calendar/game manager type thing at the top to tie into downtime activities but that's low priority

[snow otter]

I just don't understand what's going on with initiative in the foundry module.

1. What I see in the list are giantic icons and everything else is cut off.
2. I can't figure out how to say X Actor is taking their turn.

[eager helm]

its fucked up, yeah

i was able to see it fine during my sesh but my players werent

[celest dock]

Does it look like that without mods?

[snow otter]

it looks right without mods, now I'll figure out which one it is.

Ok its my mod. lol. Now I got to go figure that out. 🙁

[celest dock]

Do you know what the specific issues your players were having?

[eager helm]

literally this

[snow otter]

then it might be my reskinner mod. turn it off, I'll look to fix it.

[simple nova]

The Combat Tracker has been customized for the system

the upside is it's got lots of bespoke features

the downside is it often won't play nice with modules

[celest dock]

Looks like your css has some broad styles. You are setting every .token-image to have width 100%, which affects the images in the combat tracker as well

[lyric crystal]

Are there any resources to look at for how to use the combat tracker for Draw Steel? I'm moderately newbie when it comes to Foundry generally, and I've tried poking at the combat tracker but my smooth brain can't figure it out

[snow otter]

Yep, that's it. I'll fix it.

[celest dock]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/Combat-Encounters

This has some info on the different options available.

[steady vault]

Maybe I'm the only dumb one, but what do you mean by module specific UI elements? You mention buttons for the tokens, so do you mean the context (right-click) menu for a token?

[supple night]

Yeah. Something along the lines of the stuff included in PF2e HUD.
Simple buttons on the bottom or maybe on the the tokens to gain/spend surges or stuff like that.

[steady vault]

I haven't used PF2e on Foundry (only seen it in some YouTube videos), so I'm not sure how useful that would be compared to better character sheets and/or native Token Action HUD thing or equivalent.

[short wadi]

I'm not sure what would be the benefit of controls like that on the token would be. Ideally they'd be applied through effects or chat cards for gaining and then spent upon using the ability when sending the roll to chat.

Also, are there any plans for highlighting what the result of a roll in the chat for more visual clarity? And a way to upgrade or downgrade a result to a different tier outcome. I'd put in a suggestion for the feature, but idk if that would be too much or desired by the devs

The use case, being that an edge/bane being applied after the result is seen in chat (which is RAW afaik), can change the outcome.

[celest dock]

For surges specifically, features that say you gain a surge should have buttons that can be clicked to gain the surge. There aren't automations for spending surges yet, but is on the to-do list at some point.

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/Enrichers#gain-heroic-resources-and-surges

[celest dock]

The tier result for each target/roll should be listed. If there's a double edge/bane, that's also called out. Is that what you're looking for or something more?

There is an issue already on github for the downgrade stuff.

[short wadi]

It's listed, I just think a darkened bar for the highlighted tier would go a long way for visibility

Edges and banea are listed too, I mostly mean in relation to downgrading after a roll is done, to be able to switch the tier result. Which sounds like is an issue for.

[celest dock]

Yeah, adjustments (downgrades) to rolls after they've been done is on the list, but nothing has been so far.

[simple nova]

We've come up with an outline for reworking chat messages a bit that needs to get completed first

[short wadi]

Ideally, just my two cents, there would be arrows on the right side of the chat card to dynamically upgrade or downgrade the result it shows. But I'm no programmer and that might be way harder than I think haha

[simple nova]

We're going to integrate context menu options

it's all doable but just gotta keep building up our capabilities

[steady vault]

Will an undo button be in the chat cards as well?

[simple nova]

Just for the HR expenditure?

[steady vault]

Well everything, really. In the Fabula Ultima system for Foundry, the undo button undoes the last action, including health change, applied effect, etc.

[short wadi]

Could see it being useful for damage or healing

[supple night]

Now that you mention it, I've used undo damage/healing a fair bit when playing PF2e

I suppose it's one of those things you don't really notice until it's absent

[valid tinsel]

pf2e does it for damage and it does make my life easier

I mess up a lot

[zinc glen]

+1 for undo damage

[steady vault]

My question was if that was in the long-term plan. If not, I'll make a feature request that can be accepted or rejected (if the dev team judge it too clunky and have better solutions).

[simple nova]

I think ultimately the system would benefit from some kind of damage-tracking but it's still TBD on what that will look like (e.g. we're probably going to have to rework how we represent targets as we implement things like Surges)

[honest hearth]

Is there any way to make an artisan follower? I'm not seeing any way to put skills on an NPC.

[steady vault]

Not right now. You can simply note them in the biography section or make a dummy PC.

[simple nova]

Followers of all kinds are on the TODO list

[honest hearth]

Thank you!

[simple nova]

They're a must have before we call the system 1.0, but that also means several more 0.x patches will be necessary

[forest ridge]

When I embed a kit in a journal, it displays the name of the kit in tiny text. I'm making a journal entry that lists all kits on one page. I want to use the names of each kit as a header, but the only way I can do that is like this:

Is there any way I can remove that smaller embedded name of the kit, or do I just gotta deal with it

[soft token]

I believe we still support the cite and caption options.

[simple nova]

Add includeName=false

I think this is covered on the wiki?

[forest ridge]

I looked at the drawsteel wiki, and didn't see anything on it except a mention of "... support the @Embed[UUID] syntax". I did some google searching and did end up finding the cite and caption and inline options. But the includeName options worked, thanks you two

[simple nova]

Ah then could you file a ticket so that gets added

[forest ridge]

Aye aye cap'n

[snow otter]

Today damage from the chat card can only apply to controlled tokens. Any plans to change that (I assume I didn't overlook a place i could change it)?

i.e. i trust my players and want to let them do it.

[celest dock]

Do you mean letting players apply damage to monsters?

[snow otter]

yes

[steady vault]

(technically, it's selected tokens, not controlled, but same difference, I guess)

[snow otter]

my players, when they click the damage in the chat card, no matter waht hey have selected, it does the damage to themselves.

but i can do it, and it works on anything

[celest dock]

It should be what token is selected. Players don't have update permissions for monsters generally, so they can't update the health.

[simple nova]

The basic issue is that we'd have to implement some kind of socketing logic

maybe eventually

[tepid grove]

In that same vein, I kinda wished that the damage and apply buttons worked on targeted tokens as opposed to selected. I've found myself damaging the caster of abilities a little too often cuz I have to click token and use ability -> target -> deselect previous and select new tokens -> press button to apply damage

Well, I think some systems solve this by have an apply to selected and apply to targeted button (or a system setting)

[silk plover]

I see it most often as a system setting yeah. To set the priority of targeted vs selected

[zinc glen]

I am used to damage applying to the target too
but I'm also used to the owner of the damage target pressing the button to apply the damage, I find it also helps with making sure various optional damage reductions get applied properly (block in pf2e for example which is my largest experience on foundry)

[snow otter]

Can't we just make mod to the damage callback?

static async applyDamageCallback(event) { ...... for (const actor of ds.utils.tokensToActors()) { // ← Permission filter happens here - What's the downside to removing this? // Apply damage to actor await actor.system.takeDamage(amount, { type: roll.type, ... }); } }

[celest dock]

If you try to update an actor you dont have permission to update you'll get an error from core foundry.

You should be able to make a mod to add your own click listener and cancel the systems one to socket the update to the GM.

[simple nova]

Yeah right now we're trying to avoid adding a ton of socketing

part of that is the system is in beta and adding socketing support like that is a Big Commitment

[supple night]

I'm looking at the wiki for the attribute keys to add an "Edge" to an effect
https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/Active-Effects

I'm adding the non-core monsters from the Delian Tomb and I'm trying to add a "With Captain" effect that gives an Edge on strikes.
I noticed that the Monster book's "Clawfish" has the same "With Captain" effect, so I figured I'd check there, but that Effects tab is empty.

Am I correct in assuming there's currently no way to add edges/banes through the Effects tab?

[eager helm]

correct, afaik

[simple nova]

Correct for 0.9, there's already been work on that for 0.10

[marsh edge]

Trying to get automated animations working, melee seems to work, can't get ranged to work.

[simple nova]

if you want to figure out what the system needs to do to integrate, including hooks, we'd be happy to take a PR

[supple night]

What exactly is this Malice value used for?

[balmy nova]

Monster Malice features! Check Monster books page 6 for details

[supple night]

This a malice value on a monster rather than the universal malice pool gained each round.

But looking into the code it seems like it serves as a sort of placeholder value.

Like it syncs with the universal malice pool.

So it appears to be a system value rather than a monster one.
New turn > All monsters in the combat have their malice value adjusted

[wind kite]

I'm trying to create a convenient way to play a summoner and I think the automated evocation module can work quite well. All I need is a way to somehow integrate macro execution into an ability. The item macro module could do the job but draw steel is not yet supported. Any other ideas?

[balmy nova]

Yes, global malice is shown on the monster sheet for quick reference

[supple night]

Gotcha. The fact that it seems adjustable threw me off.
I assumed it was some kind value that would grant that amount of malice upon combat start or maybe per round.

====
It would be great if the "Monster Features" compendium contained all the various monster features.
Right now it only contains "Animal Features" and "Malice Features".

I'm making a bunch of custom monsters (from the Delian Tomb) right now and it would've been great if I could've drag-and-dropped features that exist on other monster

I still can by looking up the effect in the monsters book, opening the monster compendium, finding that monster, and drag-and-dropping it from that sheet to my new one, but if it was a flat list in a compendium I could've just searched the compendium.

It might requires something like a [[/string monster.title]] enricher though so it automatically uses the creature's name.

[wind kite]

Ok, me and my buddy ChatGPT created a small module that adds a custom enricher to run macros from ability description. Works like a charm.

[lethal arrow]

Hi, just a heads up that generative AI and related content are a banned subject on this server, per our community guidelines. So we'd ask you to leave that out of any conversations here. Thanks!

[wind kite]

Still, maybe not a bad idea to add a macro enricher to the system?

[simple nova]

File a 🎫

[simple nova]

You don't need to do anything fancy. Just drag and drop a macro into a text description, the @UUID content link turns into a "run macro" button

[wind kite]

Sometimes you are so focused on a complex solution you don't try the easy approach 😄 thanks

[simple nova]

One of the many flaws of AI tools

[wind kite]

I mean yeah, but in this case, it was me who did not think about drag and drop.

[snow otter]

I know the team didn't want to do sockets any time soon, so I thought I would take a stab at it. I'd be suprised if there weren't issues, but my testing seems to show it working for me. https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1448382845692416000

[eager helm]

for effects like "amount gained from recoveries is halved" can that be implemented currently?

[simple nova]

Pretty sure someone did a thing just for that

[eager helm]

yeah i got it, unsure if im doing the math right tho

[simple nova]

I would pick multiply

[eager helm]

ah!

lemme try that

[simple nova]

base divisor is 3

[eager helm]

yep, works like a charm

[simple nova]

but for this definitely use multiply instead of Add

[wise lily]

hahah i almost tied myself into a knot trying to make the Bloodbound band from the Delian tomb, but then I realized I need to put the stamina bonus on an active effect, not an attribute modifier

[supple night]

Kinda feels like there’s so many of us hand-crafting the Delian Tomb monsters / items at the same time

[weak bane]

Can't share them. Not allowed by their license.

[half grotto]

As someone who hasn't had their players level up in the Foundry system yet, they just hit 16 victories! How simple is it?

[steady vault]

Just click on the level up button and go through the advancement popup.

There was a bug where the button wouldn't show up below 17 XP. Should be fixed, but I'm not sure.

[simple nova]

yeah that's fixed now

[torpid socket]

Is there a way to get the potency value of a different actor in a power roll effect?

[simple nova]

Not currently. What's the ability?

[torpid socket]

I'm trying to set up the summoner class for one of my players and I wanted to have the monster attack reference the PCs potency values

[simple nova]

ah yeah that's the type of stuff that's on our roadmap for "improve Summoner support"

we'll see how much gets into 0.10

since that's also obviously relevant to the Beastheart

[supple night]

Not possible to use attribute values in the effects "value" slot or am I doing something wrong?

[simple nova]

not currently supported, once v14 is out we'll be adopting the core syntax

don't want to implement something and then have to immediately migrate

[supple night]

Fair enough. 👍

[simple nova]

v14 is doing such a big overhaul to active effects we're trying to work in anticipation of it. The upside is in a few months there will be a lot of nice features there

[nocturne moon]

hello! how is Draw Steel in foundry currently? Is there people playing on it? Is it good? Is the system currently fully integrated? Is there automation?

[steady vault]

Yes. Yes, many. Yes, mostly. Sorta. A bit.

My group and I play with it almost every week. I've been running the Delian Tomb and the system has worked great. There is still definitely a lot of work left in terms of features in a few areas (namely downtime activities, retainers, etc.) and a lot of polish to come, but the core is solid.

Mods can help with what is lacking for now (in part, at least).

[simple nova]

the good news is we've got all the core class and ancestry material through level 10

the bad news is Surges & Followers are largely not implemented and need focused development.

we're making steady progress though

[supple night]

Oh, I was gonna ask. Is there a mechanical way to do saving throws that I'm not seeing?
Some kind of roll that applies the bonuses from items and such?
I'm aware that it's usually just a 1d10, but it would be nice if it included bonuses automatically

[idle glen]

I, too, am running Delian Tomb. My group was using FGU for a DnD5E campaign (a different DM), but I wanted something lighter for my players. The core is all there. And character creation when you drop on a new PC, they are given the appropriate feature/skill/abilitiy choices.
As noted a bit ago, Delian Tomb content isn't licensed under the core license, so we are all re-creating titles, monsters, and magic items that are specific to Delian Tomb

[steady vault]

Saves are rolled (or really prompted) automatically at the end of a turn in combat.

[simple nova]

it will both auto-prompt and also it's one of the context menu options for each effect

there's a data path for bonuses, it's on the wiki

[idle glen]

system.combat.save.bonus from here on the Wiki: https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/Active-Effects#common-bonus-effect-examples

[supple night]

Thanks, that's what I've added already. Adding the Delian Tomb items and wanted to see if the bonus applied correctly. It does 👍

[simple nova]

Saves are in a pretty good spot and should cleanly migrate for v14 (core is adding support for this kind of stuff that hopefully reduces the sheer quantity of system logic dedicated to them)

[supple night]

I made a item importer for myself that works about 80%, but it doesn't do the effects yet and from what I can tell that's gonna be a tall order.

[simple nova]

Unfortunately yeah

[supple night]

Some items give bonuses, others abilities, others features. Normally not a problem, but there's a painful lack of formatting in the item cards.

[simple nova]

It's why we have so many dedicated volunteers for data entry

Lot of elbow grease

[eager helm]

there is, i thinkkkk theres a button to just...make a saving throw

if there isnt, the #1418264815519924435 thread has macros to force it

[simple nova]

It's in the context menu of the effect

[supple night]

Is this worth refining even without automated effects?
Also started on monster imports. Never uploaded a module before, but I stole the template of ripper93 and that has a publish included, I think

It does allow direct copy/paste from the book.

[steady vault]

There is a monster importer already from @marsh edge, I believe.

[supple night]

Oh? I did search the marketplace before I started, but didn't find any.

Does anyone happen to know what monsters they've reskinned for the Delian Tomb?
Might give the draw steel reskinner a try before I put more time into the monster importer then

I only know Dame Something is a human blackguard.

[simple nova]

Glass spiders are war spiders iirc

Armored Soulwight is a Soulwight with bonus stamina

[marsh edge]

It’s not official and was designed to work on the original json files from steel compendium.

https://github.com/kenpoh01/Monster-Importer-for-Foundryvtt-Draw-Steel-System

[supple night]

Ah, but seeing as it relies on Steel Compendium, which is limited by the license, it probably won't have Delian Tomb stuff.

[steady vault]

designed to work with, not restricted to, though.

You could try using it anyway.

Unless I am misunderstanding how the importer works.

[supple night]

If I understand correctly it uses the json data from Steel Compendium, which doesn't have Delian Tomb stuff as that isn't included in the line.
As in somebody already went through all the data entry effort to get those files into JSON to begin with. An effort I'm trying to prevent 😛

[soft token]

That... sounds like trying to get licensed content for free.

[supple night]

I already bought the content. I just don't wanna do all the data entry.
To save myself the effort of a few hours of data entry, I've probably spend double the time I needed trying to make an importer.

Sidenote

What would be nice is if there was a way to confirm your order from the Draw Steel store.
Like how Patron can give you a role on the Discord. You'd be able to join a Discord channel exclusive to that role.
Say, The Delian Tomb channel. And with that confirmed, you could freely swap info and resources.

I'm fairly certain there's dozens of people doing the same data entry in here 😛

[simple nova]

I think the import thing is like 5e statblock importer

So there's no particular knowledge, just attempting to parse from a textarea input

[soft token]

Oh. At that point, you may as well do it manually if nothing is pre-existing.

regardless, licensed means cant share.

[supple night]

#1342298358664138805 message
It's importers like this. You just paste the data directly from the book.

[steady vault]

Technically, the licence permits sharing. The Delian Tomb (and other stuff) is not licenced.

Just getting the terminology straingt. I got your meaning.

[soft token]

ofc

[marsh edge]

I've been trying to adapt the importer to be able to copy and paste from both pre-release and official pdfs. It's just not ready yet.

Was working on getting Oozes to work, but I could try to do official stuff first.

Gonna take time though.

[marsh edge]

I have questions about github. I've successfully made changes to compendiums and made pull requests. However, I messed up recently and sent new files mixed with old files that were already in a previous pull request. What's the procedure to revert back to original files when making new changes. Does running npm run build:packs return all packs to their "original state" (matching the main dev branch)? Do I have to delete the src and packs folders in my github folder and refetch to "clean" that folder? Do I have to create a new branch for each change I'm submitting?

[soft token]

return to develop then run build:packs

the built packs within foundry do not get altered by you swapping branches in your IDE

[marsh edge]

I don't have my draw steel system folder symlinked to my github draw steel folder...

Is that part of the problem?

[half grotto]

Elementalist player is going to get this as an advancement for being a disciple of the green subclass. Do we have a solution in Foundry for this? Sort of works like kits.

[simple nova]

As in the system folder youre developing with is not the same as the GitHub repository?

[simple nova]

I think some of them work as Active Effects? There's a ticket to go through and make it clean though

[eager helm]

pretty sure a good portion of these can be handled as an active effect, yeah

[simple nova]

the other annoying thing currently is core doesn't support token adjustments as Active Effects

[eager helm]

i would handle it on a level by level basis

until its fully implemented

[eager helm]

like size stuff?

[simple nova]

yeah size & token image

[eager helm]

makes sense

[simple nova]

honestly a simple macro with a dialog is probably worth investing in

it's borderline the best option for the system because it's such a one-off, unique ability

[marsh edge]

I have two folders on my computer, the draw-steel folder in the foundry user directory and in documents, a github folder with all my github stuff. I've been copying and pasting the src and packs folder from the foundry folder to the github folder when I make changes, so that github desktop can see them.

[simple nova]

ah yeah that would definitely be adding a layer of complication

[marsh edge]

So, back to my original question, if I run build: packs in the foundry draw-steel folder, does that return the packs to their "dev" state?

[simple nova]

Is that actually a node package?