Foundry VTT System

[median thorn]

I see, thanks a lot

[eager helm]

no prob

there is a module that has all the level 1-3 abilities as well as monsters in it

[median thorn]

yeah, I'm using it

[short bough]

Where is this module?

[eager helm]

i dont think any of the treasures or class/ancestry features are in yet

considering the short amount of time till full release

[eager helm]

pins

[simple nova]

0.8 will be the start of us seriously including compendium content

[short bough]

Is there a compendium somewhere?

[simple nova]

in the module linked in the pins

[eager helm]

returning to this cuz i didnt like my automation solution - is there an attribute for temporary stamina that i can link to a bar brawl bar?

[simple nova]

system.stamina.temporary

[eager helm]

unfortunately bar brawl doesnt allow you to put in attributes that arent on the list of "single value attributes", it is what it is

[simple nova]

0.8 will have a fix

[eager helm]

cool!

[eager helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1353517683945111635/1397298087092945018/image.png?ex=688136c0&is=687fe540&hm=7c0c6b3688a6f2d6201310f516d40fa59ec41e5defc2cf030f3463600111f38a&

adjusted some icons for my game

[night tusk]

what's the shield = 9?

[eager helm]

temp stamina

is that an alright icon, u think?

[night tusk]

the only better way I could think of would be also a heart like stamina, but have stamina be a red heart and temp stamina a blue heart?

in the end it's what you are used to and for your players it will become obvious quickly enough I think

[eager helm]

ill test it when i get to my pc and post it!

[eager helm]

this is what that looks like

sorta kinda

alternatively with some adjustments

[night tusk]

maybe ask your players as well what they think of it?

[eager helm]

i asked one of mine about the shield and he thought it was fine

[night tusk]

personal preferences I guess

[steady vault]

Do those icons act like the text? Can you click them to roll, for instance?

[night tusk]

actually, a question about the tool tips, can you determine that players can or can't see certain information on NPCs VS players?

[eager helm]

?

no?

its a tooltip

[eager helm]

yeah, but i like showing everything

[steady vault]

I am a silly goose. Do ignore me, please.

[night tusk]

I like to let them try things that I know won't work (such as moving a very stable enemy) and let them learn via the FAFO method

[eager helm]

i liking giving more info over less, if possible

but yeah if u use token tooltip alt u can make that not show up for players

[limpid yew]

I love this little info box quite a bit. I have an idea for the blue heart that I think would make it more distinct and read better as temp stamina. Mind dming me the regular blue heart and the shield icons you're using and I can poke at them to see if it'll work?

[eager helm]

u can find all the icons im using on this website: https://fontawesome.com/

which is what tokentooltip alt takes from

u cant use ur own icons afaik

[limpid yew]

Ah, unfortunate. I was hoping to make a sort of mashup of the two. Looking on the site there is a "shield heart" option that is a shield shape with a heart in it that would differentiate it better, but as KJ noted, it'll become second nature to players once they're used to it no matter the iconography.

[eager helm]

oh interesting!

https://fontawesome.com/icons/shield-heart?f=classic&s=solid this for temp stamina right?

[prime trout]

How are people tracking malice abilities? Is it just an actor off to the side of the map with the malice abilities or is there another way built into the system?

[eager helm]

i make an item with each option (usually just a free triggered action) and slap it into each stat block for that faction in the combat

[prime trout]

That's smart, ty

[still smelt]

If you have the time, I like to add them to each monsters stat block. I've taken some time to add in a few bands (goblins, undead, war dogs), and I put most of the 'malice' abilities under free maneuvers - helps me remember them. You only need to enter them once per monster group, then I can drag&drop to other like minded monsters

[short wadi]

I include them in my foundry journal notes for encounter pages. Sort of like the PDF encounter sheets

[simple nova]

Eventually we'd like the general malice abilities to go on Group actors just like the encounter sheet, but until then putting them on the actors is definitely the wisest choice

[simple nova]

Messing about with this Resources section; do Stamina/Recovery/Surges seem more interactable?

[eager helm]

is it possible to have like a box around it? sorta like to look like a button?

def more interactable tho!

[simple nova]

yeah, the problem with the box is it ends up extra ugly

if you mouse over the label you do get the button to highlight

which hopefully is way more noticeable

and then the tooltip is on the button

[eager helm]

personally i like that more than a non boxed button

prob just me tho

[short wadi]

I think if there is a box it should be the icon and word. But looks fine without a box.

[still smelt]

It would definitly be good to have a way to a) heal without spending recoveries (potions) and b) be able to spend recoveries without healing (Censor)

[night tusk]

In the enrichers page of the wiki is an enrichers example that works for both

The enrichers works of the using hero's recovery value, so if the censor uses it for their healing ability, someone else can easily heal for stamina worth the censor's recovery value

[eager helm]

that doesnt spend the censor's recoveries, unfortunately

[eager helm]

u can do the first somewhat already (it spends 2 hero tokens tho)

[night tusk]

That is true 🤔

[eager helm]

my life for yours is an exception tho so im fine with it not fitting the model tho?

[night tusk]

Given most cleric abilities give other players the option to spend a recovery, maybe that still should be something that should be included?

@simple nova is that a possibility? An enrichers that essentially produces a button that "spends 1 recovery" when clicked, similar to "apply X damage"?

[eager helm]

i feel like u could just press the "spend recovery button"? idk

[simple nova]

Right now you can just manually adjust your recoveries

[still smelt]

True. Still - a neat little +/- counter to make it go up/down also would be nice shrugs

[eager helm]

i think that would be nice

especially cuz max recoveries are static

[prime trout]

Is there a way to manually adjust the amount of hero tokens available? Such as spending one hero token to re-roll a test? Or even just doing something outside the given rules to cost a hero token? Right now it seems there is only the ability to give a hero token and reset the hero tokens.

[eager helm]

i think i asked about this in the past

iirc its on the list for a future version

[eager helm]

im not sure if its cuz im doing something wrong or what

but lets say for instance i have a character with the fly keyword

i think they should be able to move two squares vertically and two squares horiztonally and it would count as a total of 2 "squares" moved

but if i try and do this the movement will count the vertical squares moved IN ADDITION to the horizontal squares

does anyone else have this?

maybe im just misunderstanding how ur supposed to use the movement functionality

[simple nova]

so, is it double-counting for the color display?

or is this just about the labeling?

[eager helm]

both

the labeling and color display are correcting referencing each other, if that makes sense

[simple nova]

I'll take a look but can you put this in a ticket on the repo with a screenshot?

[eager helm]

yeah

just didn't know if i was doing something wrong or not

[lofty copper]

how does moving vertically function now? im still on v12, is it really easy to increase/decrease height as part of movement?

[soft token]

Very, you just Ctrl+Wheel

[night tusk]

movement and path finding in V13 is sooo good and elegant

[still smelt]

I just started using with V13, so apparently I skipped the rough times

[night tusk]

what do you mean?

[still smelt]

Oh, sorry - I think I started with v12 - I was just pointing out I haven't struggled with Foundry in the early days. I had to double check my version

[eager helm]

i realized i did it bad

if u use ctrl+wheel it calculates it correctly

if u click + drag the token, THEN edit its height, it does what i described earlier

[simple nova]

Ah yep because it thinks you're doing a 90 degree "go straight up" kind of movement

[eager helm]

yeah i knew i was doing something wrong

[eager helm]

my search-fu is failing me cuz forums suck to search but has anyone figured out to do a passive effect for something like melee/ranged damage?

i put system.abilityBonuses.melee.damage.tierX in the active effect (for all 3 tiers) and didnt observe a change to the damage

[simple nova]

so right now the abilityBonuses only applies to weapon keyworded abilities

I need to spend some time figuring out to best handle this kind of stuff, because it is common enough we need to handle it

I suspect the solution may be a separate AE subtype or the like

[eager helm]

ah! thats what i was missing

[eager helm]

i was messing around with regions today

i was thinking about setting a region to follow the troubadour so it'll apply the speed increase for choreography

dunno if that functionality exists tho, so just figured i would ask here first

[night tusk]

with regios that doesn't work because regions are map bound, template bound at best, not player bound. For your intention to work would be an Aura which can should be possible to do with the modules "Active Auras", and "Dynamic Active Effects". I am not sure though if they work in this system, and if they work on a non-euclidian grd system like draw steel.

[eager helm]

ill check out active auras

yeah prob doesnt work on this system

[night tusk]

doesn't look like it 🙁

[simple nova]

Try "Aura Effects"

Active Auras isn't v13 compatible iirc

Aura Effects is the replacement

[eager helm]

i got it working but still gotta fiddle with it to apply the effect to actors in the aura

[sonic moth]

Popping in from the foundry server. Hoping to run Delian tomb on fvtt soon.

[simple nova]

I've got Road to Broadhurst lined up towards the end of August for my group

[steady vault]

Now that the books are officially out ( ), what will the compedium integration look like? Abilities and stuff will be item compediums included as part of the game system — as far as I gather from previous discussions — but what about the rules themselves? I have always delivered to my players a copy of the PDF rulebook for [insert sytem we are currently playing]; but I don't know if that or any better integration within Foundry makes sense as part of the system compendiums.
Related, would the adventures that have been or will be published packaged as some compendium of their own or would they be better as separate modules?

[short wadi]

Afaik any other system I've seen on foundry is concerned, the rules themselves are in journal form. Things that need to be items are in compendiums as assets for plgi and play.

[simple nova]

We're still investigating best options for presenting the rules, but I would generally expect that the PDF is going to be your best bet for now in terms of looking up rules like how combat works

[simple nova]

The Adventures are not part of the creators license and so can only be produced by getting an individual agreement with MCDM

[short wadi]

I think there is a good module for inserting PDFs into foundry. It might already do it by default, but I swear I had a module that improved it.

[simple nova]

Even Road to Broadhurst, while free to download, cannot be included in the system directly

[simple nova]

Yeah, for local purposes there's a PDF journal page type

[short wadi]

PDF Pager?

[still smelt]

So, the main question I'll be curious about is will the compendium have monsters ready for drag n drop, or will I need to enter them in manually?. Trying to figure out how much I should start working on that now (I've already done humans, goblins, undead, and demons) and not sure I want to spend more time unless I have to

[short wadi]

I believe there is a pinned module someone made that you could use. It's not up to date with the most current rules and you'll have to tweak some things, but it should get you most of the way there on a good chunk of material

#1342298358664138805 message

Here

[steady vault]

It does indeed speed things up considerably, even with the heavy editing required for some things.

[tepid grove]

I imagine if you're already started on making monsters, you may be able to contribute to the data entry effort, if the license allows monsters to be put into vtt form and distributed 🤔 though you'd have to ask ChaosOS how far the compendium content is along already

I would imagine compendium data entry hasn't been started considering the pdf was released literally 8 hours ago but maybe peeps had stuff already working in the background but just not public (yet)

[still smelt]

@simple nova Happy to help if that's something you may need?

[steady vault]

You can reuse and freely reference the DRAW STEEL text, mechanics, and game rules, including proper names, locations, and characters. — Draw Steel Creator Licence, Heroes p. 401 and Monsters p. 377
I would assume that means enemies as well.

[tepid grove]

Ahh good ❤️

[simple nova]

Yeah, I need to write up the contribution guidelines for compendium content. I'm also talking to some people who are working to parse the Monsters book to get at least a baseline

[still smelt]

When you say parse, do you mean in the general sense, or the coding sense?

[simple nova]

Coding sense

[still smelt]

Yeah, I've only been doing it the HARD way, manually 1 at a time, so probably not efficient 😅

[simple nova]

Any direct conversion from PDF won't be high quality, but at least we should get all the names/roles/levels filled in plus hopefully more

After that's done we'll take contributions from people to edit the content so it's done properly

[still smelt]

I will say, there do need to be some updates on keywords for stat blocks, things like the new monster organization groups, more options for ability targeting options (self and each ally, etc), and an option for captain benefits on minions among others

[simple nova]

Yeah, some of that is ticketed

Rules Changes from Backer Packet #2

There's been a lot of changes from the second backer packet, some of which we need to account for in the system. We have an existing ticket, if you find a change not described in the ticket please add a comment to it

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/576

[grizzled flint]

will happily contribute data entry whenever the time comes

[simple nova]

yeah, hopefully that's sooner than later

[whole hawk]

cracks knuckles

[prime trout]

cracks the sun

Oops

[short wadi]

Oops, all evil.

[night tusk]

Added a few things to the change log of yours that have mechanical implications for the foundry system. There is more but those don't matter for you guys

[simple nova]

Thanks

[short wadi]

I had the wrong channel open...

Just to ask an obvious question, I can see the tickets for wealth and renown are closed. Safe to say they'll be added to the sheet/system in an upcoming update?

[night tusk]

I just posted my #1400653980090106036, might be useful to you

[simple nova]

Yeah they're already added for 0.8

[glad scroll]

anyone have a workaround for a closed system? I can't seem to share my game?

[wraith warren]

Sounds like you need to forward your ports? https://foundryvtt.com/article/port-forwarding/

[soft token]

-# (Looks like they found their way to #connection-and-troubleshooting on the foundry mothership)

[glad scroll]

yep! Thank you!

[fallen slate]

Is there some way to leverage the work forged steel is doing to get that content into foundry more easily?

[short wadi]

I don't think so. It's not as simple as it sounds. Foundry has very specific data paths

It was mentioned it could be a possibility at some point in the future.
-# I think...

Once advancements and the compendiums get filled out, character creation should be a breeze. Probably making integration much less necessary

[steady vault]

In my experience (and I want to stress that this is only my opinion), Forge Steel is a useful tool right now mostly because it asks the questions of character creation as stated in the book in a streamlined way and with clear visual boxes — making every choice clear and distinct. But it is not necessary in Foundry if the character creation has a form option that can ask the same or even better questions to help guide you relatively quickly through the process.

I have tested their other prep tools but haven't found a use for myself. Again, only my experience; your mileage may vary.

[simple nova]

we plan to have everything in compendiums, right now we're trying to finish up 0.8.0 so people can enjoy a proper Release version of the game

[smoky patrol]

What I usually do when I'm making characters in a game I'm not really familiar. I use a tool like Demiplane, forge steel, ect and then just replicate in forge. With compendiums it's super easy to drag and drop.

So I think forge steel will still be useful without an export/import option

[simple nova]

yeah long term we'd like to have more guided character creation in the system

[short wadi]

That's my process currently. I ask players to send me their forge Steel file so I can see where the choices came from along the way. Advancements will nick that, though.

[simple nova]

*some of that on initial launch, we've still got a lot of work to do

[short wadi]

Oh yeah for sure. Didn't meant to imply all upfront. It'll get there.

[fallen slate]

I noticed there was an update on the github explaining how to make contributions to the compendium, but that it's also been stated on the League of Foundry Devs discord that you're planning to mass import most compendium data from https://github.com/SteelCompendium Are there guidelines somewhere on what content you want contributors to add to the compendium?

[simple nova]

Ancestries, careers, classes, and subclasses will all need to be done by hand. The abilities & monsters though I expect to mass-import and then need community contributors to edit/fix

[fallen slate]

Should ppl looking to contribute wait for a project to be setup in github to coordinate?
Thanks for all your hard work btw, my playgroup is super excited to try out the system!

[simple nova]

yeah I'll do that later today, gotta get through my workday and errands

[lusty orchid]

I wish I understood more about how coding worked And all that background stuff worked otherwise I wouldn't mind helping

[prime trout]

The Data Entry part likely doesn't need much coding, as its the process of taking every single ability and creating them as objects in Foundry. Likely if you can follow a pattern and also read english, you should be able to help once @simple nova sets up the project later today.

[lusty orchid]

Oh what I meant is more of the automation

[simple nova]

The main thing is you'll need to learn how git works, but there's a lot of tooling to help

[versed dagger]

Hello mates. One (maybe stupid) question. There is some video of someone using the system on you tube so that i can see how to properly configure my foundry and the base modules used?

[simple nova]

probably not, this is all brand new

[soft token]

The correct answer is probably just, "Use zero modules."

Since you're at all in doubt.

[mossy cove]

so whats the status of this system on foundry right now?

[eager helm]

its working, has some good automation

still in active development

[night tusk]

Currently in a playable form in version 0.7?2 with 0.8 being worked in to introduce automated level advancements.

Compendiums ste mostly empty right now, that all will be added in the future

[mossy cove]

https://github.com/rmarone/draw-steel-abilities

So this adds pretty much all the abilities ^?

[night tusk]

It adds the backer packet content, which is the abilities up to level 3 and monsters in their December iteration. No kits, classes, cultures, ancestries or anything like that

[lusty orchid]

I'll probably just run it in custom system for the time being. I do like how this is coming along

[night tusk]

There are things currently not implemented yet, but I have been running a game of draw steel since February on it and it went just fine 🙂

[brisk root]

I have tried many things but I just can't seem to figure out how to add damage for leveled items. Is there a way to do it currently or are people just having their players add it when the make an ability roll?

[eager helm]

what i have done is add in an enricher for abilities if the levelled treasure has a specific typed damage bonus

like onerous bow for instance

i think otherwise i would do an active effect for it, but the one for dmg bonuses is borked rn iirc

either add it to the damage code of all abilities, add it into the kit bonus they get, or add an enricher

[simple nova]

yeah there's a lot of features we need to implement

[brisk root]

@eager helm Thank you, makes sense. I'll probably just add it to the abilities.

[eager helm]

if its a levelled weapon, u can add it to the kit bonus

thats the easiest solution imo

[still smelt]

That's what I've been doing!

[eager helm]

its just a pain for levelled treasures, which often give typed damage as their damage buffs

[simple nova]

yeah, need to spend some time helping out leveled treasures

[brisk root]

Adding it to the kit was the best way to do it. Not sure how I will do the Knife of Nine but I think the shadow will just have to remember.

[eager helm]

knife of nine is funky yeah

i would honestly just tell the shadow to get another treasure 😂

[brisk root]

Lol, he already loves it too much. That and Hesitation is Weakness are his bread and butter

[plucky yacht]

Wanting to playtest draw steel with friends.
So if I understand this correctly (please correct if wrong) ATM I will have to do the usual Item system to create classes and ancestries etc for players to drag onto their sheets or is that functionality not implemented yet?

I am good to just repetitively create classes adding abilities and effects etc just want to know if it is whats needed before I go down that route or if I should just tell my players to make use of fillable PDF's.

Same goes for weapon items and the like.

I know java(script) but have no clue on HTML so wish I could contribute to the main work effort.

[soft token]

The Draw Steel system is written in javascript, not java.

[night tusk]

Because only American night owls and non American are awake right now, I'll respond to some of your questions:

Yes, some abilities and monsters are available via the extra module, but the rest (classes, items, ancestries, etc ... ) needs to be entered manually.

As for how you can help, have a look at #1390476714487844864 And see if they makes things clearer, otherwise you'll have to wait for ChaosOS to be available again

[plucky yacht]

well then i mean javascript i dont know anything/anyone that uses base java for years context of us talking about a repo that requires javascript HTML and CSS i thought context would be apparant enough to identify what was meant.

[plucky yacht]

Aight TY i shall get to item entries then!

[simple nova]

Working on updating the basic abilities

Looks nice to be able to say "Heroes p. 273"

[steady vault]

I’m curious : is the reference page a parsed info or manual?

[simple nova]

Doing all these up manual, still working with some other folks on putting together a parse

[short wadi]

Aside from that, it helps for Compendium browser stuff for sourcing/flitering, does it not? Could be misremembering.

It might just care about the compendium source itself, not the text entered.

[soft token]

Well there's no CB (yet).

[short wadi]

I meant for future use, assuming there is one. (I remember hearing there was plans to eventually do one)

[simple nova]

The source field fortunately will be very simple for the initial batch of stuff

we only have two books

the page # though is purely a reference thing for users

[short wadi]

Mhm, thinking for 5e when I used it to filter SRD, PHB, DMG, etc

Really great to not have a seperate batch of rules (SRD) for this game, all the core content is just THERE

[simple nova]

Yeah, this fall when we get more stuff we'll want that kind of filtering

[fallen slate]

Did you want people to try adding culture, ancestry etc. stuff before 0.8?

[simple nova]

Still working on the guidelines, once those are finalized I'll post here!

[nocturne raft]

Hi! 🙂 Are there plans (or a currently existing way) for users to control the number of hero tokens without activating things like stamina recoveries or surges?
In the game I'm playing in we're using the hero token tracker for, well, keeping track of how many we've got, and we've been unable to figure out a way to control the number of HT directly.

[eager helm]

its a ticket rn, afaik

[nocturne raft]

Ah, perfect, thank you

[somber trail]

Excited to use this soon!

I’ve been trying to set up Polyglot with this, curious what the datapath is for the languages

[night tusk]

AFAIK Polyglott implementation is currently not working but has been ticketed as a to-do

[somber trail]

Awesome, thank you 🙏

[simple nova]

languages is system.languages, idk if it needs more than that

I took a brief look and it would be fairly simple to do

Frankly I'm leaving it open as a "good first issue" so someone who wants to get their feet wet can tackle it

[somber trail]

Thank you!

[simple nova]

Speaking of languages...

[deft vapor]

How do I add two kits for to make the Tactician's field arsenal ability to work?

or do I have to make a custom field arsenal kit each time?

[deft vapor]

nevermind I found where the option was

[simple nova]

Yeah, a lot of this will be simpler once the compendium info is in and stuff like "the Tactician gets 2 kits" is already done for you

[tepid grove]

Will it be possible to rename/add languages for homebrew settings? o:

[simple nova]

Already possible via world/module script

[tepid grove]

ahh okay :D

[still smelt]

Is there a guide on how to do that somewhere?

[simple nova]

Hasn't been done up but it's the same principle as in dnd5e if you're familiar with that

[signal mauve]

Hi so I created a NPC sheet for a retainer for one of my players but he cant use the signature abilities. Is it some permission that I need to change ?

[simple nova]

did you actually give ownership permissions to the player?

I know there's been a lot of requests for "how to make X feature/treasure work"...

[lofty copper]

ladies, get you a man who actually does write documentation

[simple nova]

(note: above docs are for 0.8, it's a new feature)

[simple nova]

I've written a genuinely absurd amount of fvtt documentation

I'm responsible for most of the community wiki API info and recently I've even been making improvements to the official API website

[lofty copper]

i had a dream a while back that i had written documentation for something and i was ungodly fucking pissed when i woke up to find it was not, in fact, a thing.

[lofty copper]

genuinely thank you for the work you do you make my little creator brain have a whole lot easier of a time

[signal mauve]

Yes

They can edit everything, heck they weer the ones that filled the statblock and created the ability

But I can roll it and they cant

[simple nova]

it's probably an error related to the malice logic. Could you file a bug report?

ideally that player can provide some screenshots of the error in the console

[still smelt]

Unfortunatly, I am not with that either - so if anyone has a guide to point me to, that would be great.

[simple nova]

here's the actual script content, I helped someone previously

Hooks.once("init", () => {
  // Add a language
  CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages.foo = { label: "Foo" };
  // Remove a language
  delete CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages.anjali
  // Remove all default languages
  for (const key in CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages) delete CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages[key];
  // Add many languages
  Object.assign(CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages, {
    foo: { label: "Foo" },
    bar: { label: "Bar" }
  })
});

[still smelt]

Ok, and I haven't really known yet where to go fiddle with the internals of Foundry VTT files generally; what file to I access to make these changes.

[simple nova]

https://github.com/GamerFlix/foundryvtt-api-guide/blob/main/module_guide_create.md

[night tusk]

Turns out that is the same thing that happened to my players when I tried giving them access to a ballista.

[night tusk]

I opened a ticket for the issue. DvDias feel free to comment on it with your experience as well

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/790

[narrow pivot]

Morning team! Is there a guide to getting the module up and running within Foundry? I had a hell of a time last night experimenting but couldn’t really figure out character sheets, thought maybe there might have been some bugs? I’m keen to know how far along this thing is before I dive too deep on it.

[simple nova]

Just gonna check, you're on v13?

[narrow pivot]

I’ll log on shortly and confirm. Get back to you.

v13 Build 346

0.7.3 (Green) for the module

[signal mauve]

Sorry for not aswering before, I was running a new game called Draw Steel. Dont know if guys have heard about id 😛

[night tusk]

Everyone is busy with live, no rush 🙂

[narrow pivot]

I'd be comfortable with sending these simple questions to someone friendly via PM if that's preferred. Otherwise, can someone answer a number of simple questions for me to see if I'm encountering bugs or just not getting this Foundry VTT module right. On an actor, PC, character sheet, why would I get this NaN?

[short wadi]

It means Not a Number, which would mean wherever its pulling the math for the recovery amount, is incorrectly entered. I would go into the Class item (Null) and change it to just a number, if its not already. Feel free to share a screen show of the class item once you open it up.

Should look something like this, but the correct info for that class.

If you've entered in 8 (for Null), I would disable your modules and troubleshoot from there.

[night tusk]

@narrow pivot I can recommend the module Find the Culprit for module trouble shooting. It shortens the turning off/on process a lot

[smoky patrol]

Is there a timeline for when .8 is going to be released, even if it's just a guess at this point. Planning a few one shots next month

[short wadi]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/milestones

Milestones are usually, kinda, sorta a decent indicator of when a release might be on the horizon. Seems to be Soon™

[narrow pivot]

I'm having more success this morning, thanks to som advice - thanks. Does the 'catch breath' ability automate stamina recovery at this time?

[eager helm]

no

[night tusk]

you can set up a text enricher in the ability to at least get an automated healing button with the right value, but that won't use the recovery as it should. So the easiest is to use that maneuver for book keeping in the chat, and then click Recoveries on the character sheet to heal for a recovery

[narrow pivot]

Click 'Recoveries' works - great!

[simple nova]

As you can see by the milestone it's almost entirely complete. Aiming for this coming week

[jovial nova]

I'm new to using the DS system on Foundry, but I don't see these Class items

[short wadi]

You gotta make em

[jovial nova]

I am on V13, and 0.7.3 for Draw Steel

Oh... I see

[short wadi]

The system is like, alpha. It's really early in its life 😅

Compendium content will come eventually, but it needs the chassis built first

[jovial nova]

Yes, makes total sense. I guess I was taking a crack at culture earlier, and wasn't sure how to input some of the skill choices or if I should

[short wadi]

You can manually install this module for a bunch of community entered content. But it'll need to be touched up. Its potentially outdated/unfinished. (Sorry for the ping, woops)

[short wadi]

You don't. Until advancements are here (next update?!), you just add them in yourself on the sheet.

[simple nova]

'eventually' is probably by like, end of the month at the latest

[simple nova]

Cultures will be fully handled in 0.8

[jovial nova]

Ah got it

Thanks for working on this guys, it's much appreciated

[steady vault]

Is there a plan to add condition markers for Judged (as part of the Censor's Judgment ability) and other temporary conditions like the Talent's Remote Assistance?

If not, I would add a feature request for that.

[simple nova]

0.8 has the ability to apply effects from abilities

So they won't be in the condition palette but instead exist on the ability applying them

[steady vault]

So will the effects be automatically calculated? That seems... complicated.

[short wadi]

It depends on what level of automation is involved. But custom statuses can have their own effects applied, yes. I'm not sure I've ever played with a system that checks X then applies Y.

So if a judged creature used an action, it would/could damage them.

Not sure if that's on the docket but would love to know.

[steady vault]

That's why I was asking about just a status effect marker. At least for now, it seems easier to implment to me. But I know nothing, hence my questions.

[short wadi]

They're effectively the same thing. Just one is applied from a menu where as one is applied via using the ability, once a card is pushed to chat on activation.

As far as I understand it anyways.

[simple nova]

One main benefit is you can fill in the changes on applied effects to automate them as desired

There's no current automation for Judgment's damage, but you can do other things

[steady vault]

OK, I think I understand better now.

[supple night]

Hello.

I looked over the GitHub and contribution guidelines a bit and I feel like I may be able to help out with data entry.
There's an absolute ton of open issues for data entry over at https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/757

Which one of these is fairly safe to get started on? Something you don't expect many changes on in the days to come?
I've done data entry for other system modules, but I'm new to Draw Steel itself.

[simple nova]

Are you able to get yourself setup with installing the dev version of the system & filing PRs?

If so; I'm planning to do a bulk import of class data from the Steel Compendium, but basically everything else hasn't been JSON-ified there so in particular Ancestries, Careers, & Kits are wide open

Kits are something that would both be very nice to have done & have a few moving parts for the parse

if you're interested in discussing further I recommend joining the League channel

https://discord.gg/rNzh6U2qMG

[supple night]

Yeah, I already followed the instructions in the contribution guidelines and setup a local dev version and made two kits to try it out 👍

[simple nova]

do like five, then submit that as a PR so we can provide any style feedback that's necessary before you commit to doing all of them

(probably include the half-done Shining Armor kit that's in the data)

[night tusk]

I would love to help too, but I'm not done yet with the active effect scouting 😭

[night tusk]

For judgement I created an active effect with a glowing cross icon and then put a 2*P enricher in the ability description.

Once edge/bane are implemented as active effects the tactician mark should work out as well via active effects

[smoky patrol]

@simple nova I can also help out. Programmer by trade, but been a few years since I've done much besides attend meetings at work... But would love to get involved in the cause.

[simple nova]

same deal then, get a local dev install & join the draw steel dev channel on the League

[smoky patrol]

Is there a getting started guide by chance?

[simple nova]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/blob/develop/CONTRIBUTING.md

feel free to ask questions about it, a lot of the CONTRIBUTING is copied from other systems & I don't know what people get stuck on

[celest dock]

Also, probably comment on the relevant issues letting others know what you're working on so there's no duplication of data entry.

[supple night]

I think I'm missing some setting here.
Where is the additional +2 on the damage coming from?
Double Strike should have no added dmg values.

[eager helm]

prob from ur kit bonus

[supple night]

Oh, I see, thanks.

I left out the + @chr modifier as I didn't want to add might or agility dmg bonus and there was a +2 anyway
They just both happened to be a +2 which threw me off.

[narrow pivot]

What generates 'Hero Tokens'. I'm resetting them but it is giving three randomly.

I bet it's number of player accounts linked right.

[eager helm]

i think it depends on how many players you have in the world?

[supple night]

Made a PR for five kits.

I'm from EU so I'm off to bed for now, but if you can find the time to review it then I'll fix any mistakes and add the rest tomorrow.
Currently on holiday break, so I've got lots of time 👍

[tepid grove]

Does the system have a way to handle hp minion pools currently?

[eager helm]

it does!

[tepid grove]

Oh, cool :3 tbh minions are the one thing I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around lol

[night tusk]

if you set minions as a minion squad, their stamina gets added up to the total minion pool . if you damage a minion, it damages the minion pool (aka all minions have a floating damage number appearing). what it currently struggles with is when minions get damaged by an AoE, where it technically should only damage max the stamina equal to the minions within the AoE, but in reality it damages the minion pool equal to total damage across all minions, resulting in potentially draining the stamina pool more than it should.

[eager helm]

i can happily explain them

if you want

[tepid grove]

I'll probably take a closer look when I'm home but I appreciate it; the pool management was the one thing I was hoping was somewhat tracked cuz thats the part that gets me lol

[night tusk]

Same. My party was through all of Act 1 of Fall Blackbottom before I noticed I was doing Minions wrong hahaha

[tepid grove]

I guess thats nothing a little bit of manual re-adding can't fix

[eager helm]

hopefully there will be greater support in the future, but basically u just remove 1 minion for every X stamina lost

where X equals the stamina number on their stat block

[tepid grove]

Seems simple enough
I'm glad i dont have to track the pool on paper xD

[night tusk]

@simple nova how do I add a roll data call into text that then displays the roll data in the text?
specifically

equal to your might score (minimum 1)
where I want to replace the "minimum 1" with the score of a character

[simple nova]

so right now we only have [[@M]], we do eventually want to add a lookup enricher so it displays as normal text instead of the roll button

[night tusk]

cheers

[night tusk]

is there a way for damage enrichers to choose the higher of two characteristics? would `[[/damage @M/@A]] work that way? or would that just let the player choose?

[simple nova]

can do max(@M, @A)

[night tusk]

sweet

thanks

somehow this one does not convert in an enricher? [[/damage max(@M, @A)]]{Might or Agility}

ah, there was a in between the M and A

[soft token]

Wrapping it in quotes should allow for whitespace characters.

[night tusk]

how do you mean?

[simple nova]

[[/damage "max(@M, @A)"]]{Might or Agility}

[night tusk]

learnt something new again, thanks

[smoky patrol]

going to take a shot at finishing up kits unless someone is working on them already

[simple nova]

yeah go for it since Mike is in Europe

[sullen nest]

@simple nova Has anyone tried running my script again to pull from forge steel, it looks like he is mostly updated

Would that be valuable?

[simple nova]

Later tonight I'm gonna play around with parsing

but happy to see others get started and build on it

[smoky patrol]

sorry last question for the night (probably)... where can I find basic art for abilities/kits

[simple nova]

the core icons

probably should bring that up in the contributing docs

[smoky patrol]

where do I find the core icons?

[short wadi]

Open the file browser, Core Data, Icons.

[night tusk]

oh man, I have been hosting via Forge for so long I forgot their image browser does actually not look the same as self-hosted

[still smelt]

@simple nova If I may - I'm not a programmer by any trade - so just muddling through on this; is this how I'd want to update the js to add, once I have a module with the text file?

[simple nova]

Yep that's what you'd use

[still smelt]

Hmm, ok. I followed the guide you sent - but not sure if it worked. It mentions how you need to shut down Foundry, but I use Molten Hosting; and I can't access the file browser being up; so I'm not sure what I'm missing. 🤔

Ok, so reloaded - I got the module to show up, I think I got it!

I forgot to add commas after each language I think in the script

[simple nova]

ah yep those are important

so the pro tip is that the values on the left are what's saved to the json, while the label properties are what shows in the sheet. If you've got a two word language, don't put any spaces or hyphens in the value on the left

[simple nova]

you weren't kidding this is a motherlode

[ember dawn]

is this the best way to do this? Are there not shorter variables like @rsn?

[eager helm]

@chr is what u want

[night tusk]

If you write @chr that will result in the characteristic score to be added to the power roll that you chose on the "Characteristics" dropdown menu.

If you choose two characteristics then the higher of the two will be added

[ember dawn]

I had that and it didn't do anything

[lofty copper]

god i really do not like the forge's setup

[ember dawn]

oh wait. I'm dumb.

I had @cha and not @chr

[night tusk]

If the ability is an NPC, you'll have to add the numerical value into the roll bonus instead of the @chr

[ember dawn]

awesome. this is much better. thanks!

[supple night]

I was gonna continue working on the kits today, but apparently somebody else claimed the task 🫠

[ember dawn]

I've got a general system question for you guys. Do keywords get added to abilities/spells/etc as they are modified? Hurl Element: Magic, Ranged, Strike. If I chuck fire, does it also gain the Fire keyword a la pf2e?

[eager helm]

no

[ember dawn]

huh. weird.

[eager helm]

why?

[ember dawn]

so when using this, is what I'm doing Magic, Ranged instead of Melee, Weapon? or is it all 4?

[eager helm]

it would be ranged, weapon iirc

i would ask #ds_rules-questions just to make sure

[ember dawn]

fair. it just seems odd since the elementalist is unlikely to have a weapon or treat their fists as weapons, I don't think...

[eager helm]

they def can

its one of their enchantments

[ember dawn]

I mean, I saw that enchantment

but would that mean you could only use this if you took that enchantment so that you had a weapon?

[eager helm]

no, the weapon tag just means that that ability benefits from weapon damage bonuses and the like

[ember dawn]

ah, is that how it is. okay, less weird then

[eager helm]

its a very niche case in the elementalist's case

since knockback doesnt do damage on its own

[ember dawn]

yeah

feels a little like they were trying to save space on the page rather than make full ability blocks for all three

[eager helm]

all three what?

[eager helm]

oh like

three different "forms" of practical magic?

[ember dawn]

yeah

it'd be more clear, but it'd take up a lot more space.

[eager helm]

maybe im too draw steel pilled but its pretty clear to me

[ember dawn]

probably, I'm brand new

[eager helm]

but the "language" of draw steel can be its own sorta vibe

which u gotta get used to

the whole uh

"do x a number of y equal to [stat] score"

classic DS-ism

[ember dawn]

I actually like that

I'd much prefer that to the more natural language of pf2e, honestly.

[eager helm]

oh to be clear i super prefer to it to natural language

[ember dawn]

too much room for interpretation

[eager helm]

i just find the number of reference shorthand to be a lil bit of a dnd-ism

[ember dawn]

lol yeah.

[eager helm]

"bonus equal to your charisma bonus" type beat

[supple night]

I think I might've made a mistake with my Kit entries.
I copied the values from the book not knowing they included the kit's bonus, but the system adds the kit bonus afterwards
So during entry I would have to subtract the bonus from the signature ability value so the system can auto-add it later

Would be the same for the damage values as they would also have the increased damage included.

So 5 being 3 dmg base + 2 from kit (Arcane Archer has a +2/+2/+2 bonus) and then + @chr

Right now it's adding the +kit dmg on top of the included dmg.

@smoky patrol Tagging you since you mentioned you wanted to add the other kits

[soft token]

Since you're doing a full replacement of the languages (though I'd recommend just adding to them), you can just do a direct assignment to the config property.

Hooks.once("init", () => {
  CONFIG.DRAW_STEEL.languages = {
    turathi: { label: "Turathi" },
    esten: { label: "Esten" },
    muscovan: { label: "Muscovan" },
    arkoshian: { label: "Arkoshian" },
    svanesse: { label: "Svanesse" },
  };
});

(Also, lowercase / sluggified keys for internal properties are recommended, too)

[tepid grove]

out of curiosity, does this work for damage types (for homebrew purposes)? I remember being able to do it in 5e but I don't know if DS's system uses a similar model for damage types

probably helps if I looked at the config but I haven't dug through the repo code yet lol

[soft token]

I don't remember offhand

[smoky patrol]

@supple night I stopped last night at Retarius if we want to split the task you can start at Shining Armor and work down the hero guide.

[supple night]

It's fine. I've looked over the other options and I think I'm gonna do Perks and then Careers.
Mostly because Careers require Perks to exist 😛

[smoky patrol]

Wanted to call it out, I'm doing kit signature abilities as part of the kits. So if someone is working on abilities they can skip them

@simple nova any luck with monster parsing? If not we might be able to get a volunteer to create a spreadsheet of monster values that we could use instead?

[supple night]

I did see a message from ChaosOS come by yesterday that seemed to hint there was some kind of script that could parse a whole bunch of at once.

[sullen nest]

Yeah, I open sourced it for a reason : ) The code should be pretty easy to read

It's not 100% perfect, but that's mostly down to me not knowing your preferred syntax

Work/life has me pretty busy lately, but I can answer any questions your have

[supple night]

May I ask, does this cover ALL content? Maybe Perks and/or careers. too?
I'm doing data entry for that now and would seem like a waste of effort if the script imported those, too 😛
How about kits? Odishy is working on that atm.

[short wadi]

Where's a tactician with "This Is What We Planned For" when ya need em?!

[simple nova]

In other contexts, single letter caps like @R also work

@supple night @smoky patrol strongly recommend joining the League server so we can coordinate in the dev channel

https://discord.gg/rNzh6U2qMG

[supple night]

I'm there, just nobody seemed to be talking in there.
I'll switch to that channel then.

[sullen nest]

My script pulled from forge steel (who publishes their data), and added class abilities, kits, and monsters, I think you can find a link to the repo above or in the pinned post, I have not updated this since 1.0

Forge steel's recent release indicates that they think class abilities are done

[smoky patrol]

Do you have a link to the script?

[sullen nest]

https://github.com/rmarone/draw-steel-abilities

[sage grotto]

So what will be added in 0.8?

[short wadi]

Checking the Github milestones is generally a good way to keep up with updates

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/milestone/3

[simple nova]

We've also been keeping a live changelog, although it does need more details between now and release

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md

[short wadi]

Very excited to see all the updates

[lusty orchid]

question, is this all going off of version 13 of foundry or will it work on version 12 if I decide to switch over?

[eager helm]

it will not work on v12

[lusty orchid]

😭

[ember dawn]

Is there a seperate, in process, compendium or is it all being baked into the next release?

[sage grotto]

I notice that there are [Breaking] update from 0.7.3 to 0.8, does that mean existing worlds that uses 0.7.3 will stop working when updating it to 0.8?
And will this continue to happen when update to 0.9 in the future?

[simple nova]

Breaking means for that part of the API, not the whole world

e.g. if you had a macro referencing system.hero.recoveries, you will need to adjust it to reference system.recoveries

[simple nova]

compendium is being built into the system. Very unlikely it will be done for 0.8, but it will have some stuff

we'll keep adding to the compendiums with 0.8.1, 0.8.2, etc.

[ember dawn]

Does anyone have a better way to evaluate a variable in text other than [[@thing]]? It works, but it treats it as a roll and looks dumb if it's just supposed to be a number.

[simple nova]

we plan to add a lookup enricher that will present it as plain text, but have not yet done so

[ember dawn]

ah, right on

[narrow pivot]

How are you guys managing heroic resources:

1. Manually through character sheet/token
2. Using the token hud and manually selecting the number and typing over it with new value
3. Using something clever-er that I'm not aware of

I remember playing a different game in the past and there were sweet little incriment/decrement buttons on the token hud that make interacting with these resources (and stamina) easier.

And, yep I'm aware that if properly configured the actions will allow stamina to be modified directly (as in damage).

[simple nova]

so, for most purposes heroic resource gain & consumption is automated

worth also highlighting that the default foundry functionality of -X will subtract that value

and conversely +Y will add that value

[eager helm]

i have bar brawl config set up that connects the bar to the HR resource attribute

so it will automatically go up and down as players gain and lose HR

oh chaos

i was thinking about this today but i dont wanna come across as needy

whats the team's thoughts on the current implementation of saves/the end turn button?

[narrow pivot]

Really? I must have the thing configured wrong, I can't see any automated gain here. Not at start of turn, nor for any of the more interesting mechanics of gaining heroic resources. Are you suggesting (I have no idea) that if my fury gets damaged automatically there will be a corresponding increase in heroic resource?

My issue with these systems is always that automation is great but it's gotta be 100% right, otherwise my players get cranky at some stuff working and some stuff not working. It's a fabulour implimentation as it is (well done!) but I'm just trying to learn more about it before my first game. Ta.

[eager helm]

not for the "secondary" gains

if u dont have the start of turn HR increase set up in the class section, it wont pop up

so u gotta set that up

[simple nova]

is there some particular issue you're having? I feel like most of the current issues are around being able to apply save-ends effects, but I also havent' been actively running games in the system

[narrow pivot]

Love it, are you automating this gain/loss too or what's the best way for you/your players to interface with these gains/losses

[eager helm]

i was thinking about it, and im not sure if i wanna submit a ticket, but i feel like the current implementation is not as visible

or rather, its too automated

like, theres no button where i can just say "make save"

idk, is this crazy?

[eager helm]

what gain/loss?

[narrow pivot]

Sorry. I'll be a bit clearer. If I want to increase the HR by '2' -> What's the best way to do that?

Currently, I'm having to type it in

seems clunky

[simple nova]

I think that's reasonable, I think we can add a "make save" button in that Combat section of the sheet

[simple nova]

yeah for stuff like triggered abilities, typing +1 is the best solution

you can also use the mouse wheel on the character sheet

[narrow pivot]

Where/how do you type +1?

Is that a function or a capability I'm missing in Foundry?

[simple nova]

in the token bars

[eager helm]

do you have bar brawl set up?

[eager helm]

i can submit a ticket for this

i just didnt know if it was just me going crazy

[simple nova]

the core token bars take +X as "add X" and -Y as "subtract Y"

[eager helm]

or if it was actionable

[simple nova]

it's on eof those things where we can only really assess UX needs once people actually play with the system, until then we've been making best guesses

[eager helm]

makes sense

either a button that allows you to spend a HT to pass a save

or a button that allows you to roll a save

would be fantastic

as it stands u kinda just have to hope that the automation works?

and there isnt a lot of physical feedback

if that makes sense?

im sure it works great, i just cant get it to work consistently

[simple nova]

yeah that's fair

[eager helm]

cheers, i hope that didnt come across as too harsh

[simple nova]

yeah super reasonable

[narrow pivot]

I gave it a go, very good at displaying info. Not great for the max value of HR (given there isn't one). Also I didn't see many easy ways to interact with the HR so it's back to wondering how best to do that. I'm sure as I play a few more games it'll all fall into place.

I'm happy enough with clicking on the bars in the hud and entering a number or using +/- at the end of the day.

[eager helm]

i set it at 15 and called it a day

[narrow pivot]

I was going to do similar. Looking at that Troubadour though

[eager helm]

i forget if this is doable but i think u can set the max at 1 and it should always show as full?

so ur just looking at 1 number

[narrow pivot]

Following your other chat. Are the conditions save rolls automated through advancing the round on the combat tracker?

[eager helm]

it is....difficult, i havent figured it out

[narrow pivot]

I guess this is all helpful for me to know incase things start to dissapear when I wasn't expecting it as I use the system

I'm just glad I can put a custom image on a VTT and have things like movement be semi-automated. Sometimes that stuff will make or break a game session. And the use of visbile bars to track sundries like stamina and HR. It's a great module! Look forward to trying it out more.

[eager helm]

something that just came to mind

is it in the cards to have like

buttons that trigger the 1/round or 1/combat HR gain effects?

i know nothing about coding so this is prob too much work

[simple nova]

can definitely investigate better ways to help things along there

I actually got some ideas playing Lancer

[eager helm]

yoooooo

(not biased at all)

[simple nova]

I think by the time we hit 1.0 people will be quite pleased with all the feature functionality

[ember dawn]

What'm I doin wrong here?

[simple nova]

0.7 doesn't have support for these enchantments

[ember dawn]

oh. lol

[simple nova]

I've got a PR currently under review that will add a new AE type to handle this in 0.8

[ember dawn]

here I thought I was goin crazy

[simple nova]

(the short of it is that abilityBonuses was only designed to work with kits, so it explicitly only checks for abilities with the weapon keyword)

[ember dawn]

I tried it with weapon and it didn't work either.

oh wait. no. I tried it with melee

[simple nova]

0.8 will be a major leap forward for a lot of functionality

[slim marsh]

I’ve had it work fine on ranged weapons, had the same sanity check myself a while back.

[ember dawn]

ahh

add the weapon keyword and there you go. works now.

thanks!

While working on this, it seems like there would have to be a consideration taken for rolled damage vs non-rolled damage.

[simple nova]

Currently it's only adding to rolled damage anyways

[simple nova]

Organizational question for the crowd; in 0.8, dragging a kit onto your sheet will also give you the signature ability. given that knowledge, where would you want the abilities to be?

1. In the same compendium as the kits
2. In a separate "Abilities" compendium with other abilities that can be given in the game

[steady vault]

I would argue they should be in a “Kit” folder in the “Abilities” compendium for homebrew purposes.

Then again, for organizational purposes, putting them with their appropriate kits makes more sense.

I’m not helping, am I? 😅

[simple nova]

probably worth noting that end users should not be editing the system-provided compendiums

that's a good way to lose all your stuff

if you're talking about homebrew, you should be making your own personal module with its own compendiums

[wispy dock]

Either 1 or 2 works for me personally, but having the 'Signature Abilities' in the 'Abilities' compendium makes sense. Go to one place for those items and can then copy into personal compendiums or drag elsewhere for homebrew.

[soft token]

Remind me whether these abilities can be granted in any other ways but from kits?

[simple nova]

Need to double check the titles but I think that one kit title gives the full kit

yeah Armed and Dangerous is a full-on "You can use and gain the benefits of kits"

[soft token]

Right. Though then the ability is still from the kit. Not the title.

I would lean towards having them nested below Kits, then.

[short wadi]

That's where I as a user would think to look.

[ember dawn]

Having them in the abilities compendium makes more sense to me. For peeps who want to build something of their own. It would not occur to everyone to look for the signature abilities in the kits compendium.

[minor radish]

Hi all, I have just downloaded v0.7.3 and am not sure how to get started with making characters & monster etc. Is there are compendium or do you need to manually input class & ancenstry into the sheet?

[simple nova]

the upcoming 0.8.0 update will have significant amounts of compendium content but will not have everything

the tl;dr is that the book just came out so we're still working on it 🙂

[minor radish]

Thanks 😊

[limpid yew]

1 would be my preference for where to put Kit Signatures, nested with Kits.

[short wadi]

I would say it also depends where abilities granted by ancestries, perks, titles, etc go. If they live with their parent compendium, kits should be the same.

[half grotto]

Hey y'all! I haven't run DS via VTT yet more than a simple danger room in Foundry, and that was at least 3 months ago, however I've run a few other systems so I'm very familiar with FVTT.

How are things looking so far? 🙂 Any reason I should just wait for Codex release over Foundry time investment?

[simple nova]

on a real level, the Codex is a year away. We are days away from 0.8 having advancements & a good chunk of compendium content, and at the rate people are going I suspect within a month we'll have everything in

[half grotto]

Any chance I can look at helping out? I'm an Ajax edition backer and I have all the PDFs. No coding knowledge, but I've made a fair sure of powers/items etc via the core Functionality. If it looks to be too much I'll admit it, but it would be cool to "make the sausage."

[simple nova]

are you comfortable using github?

we have a CONTRIBUTING page on the repository that explains what the steps are, but it requires a basic willingness to execute a few commands in the terminal

[half grotto]

To a point, yes. I'll take a look when I get home from work!

[whole hawk]

Hey, gang
Any notable changes post-release

[simple nova]

still working on 0.8, should be out within the next few days

[steady vault]

What I meant was that when making a custom kit (my idea of homebrew), it would make sense to have the kits signature abilities nearby to drag and drop them into an item easier.

But like many said, with the abilities compendium makes most sense.

[lusty orchid]

Excellent work guys. Looking forward to the 0.8 release, you guys said you were working on compendium stuff. What specifically did you guys focus on so I can see what I might need to prep if you don't mind me asking?

[simple nova]

You can see in the GitHub, but the big focus is character options so if you want bestiary content that's going to come later

[sage grotto]

Personal opinion is consistency. If Classes has their abilities nested, then kit should do the same.
If Abilities has it own compendium and subfolder which separate classes, kit etc, then do that instead.

[lusty orchid]

nono thats perfect, i'd rather stat the monsters I need compared to having to hadn put in everything for each character

[dapper coral]

I look forward to it all, but I appreciate all of the effort.

I ran 4e at a physical table, and honestly I think DS is gonna be far easier than that to track myself if need be.

[steady vault]

Weird nerdy question. When inserting tests or power rolls from the PDFs, I noticed that the "tier markers" are actually a custom font that map repectively to á, é, í.
The question is if that can be implemented in the CSS for FoundryVTT (for this system) or if we'll just have to suck it up and have a slightly diffenrent visual.

[still smelt]

Man, that would be very nice if tier markers could be added

[steady vault]

I am just adding them in some specific journal entries to replicate the PDFs as close as I can, but of cours this could have implications for the chat messages as well.

[tepid grove]

couldn't it just be accomplished by css images?

like, part of the roll template I guess

[steady vault]

(using a custom font would be hell for any translation)

[tepid grove]

maybe svgs with a similar look if anyone is good at using illustrator or similar

[steady vault]

I don't know, can it? I am genuinely asking.

[tepid grove]

if you can consider that sheets exist in foundry that look like this, anything is possible with enough css wizardry

cuz that same thing applies to the roll templates

...unless the sheet is using svelte

but that's aside the point
you'd be able to insert it pretty easily if the image or svg is set in the system

I don't think the team's focus is on CSS yet though since they wanted a lot of functionality first :P

[steady vault]

Sure, this is far from important; I was just curious.

[tepid grove]

I believe the plans were to make the sheets and roll templates (especially) match the styling of the book as much as they can, but don't quote me on that

obviously, they'd have to take additional liberties for fitting foundry

I hope that styling isn't too far off; the organization of the 0.7 sheet makes me a bit uncomfortable with the visuals and alignment xD lotsa floating numbers
I think the .8 fixes this a bit by adding a couple buttons and boxes in place of click-text

[steady vault]

ChaosOS did previously share a "prototype" icon next to clickable headers.

I don't know if they plan to add an image/icon next to every clickable text.

On a related note, what's your best guess as to the books' font choice?

[tepid grove]

hmm, good question

[tepid grove]

main text font is an adobe font I think
it's rogliano

I assume they used indesign for it

I believe the headers are breve

neither fonts are google fonts, so they wouldn't be able to use them for free

they'd have to pick something close

Closest google fonts would be Crimson Text (header) and maybe Merriweather (body)

🤔

[simple nova]

The short answer is it's a rights issue, the license does not currently cover trade dress

[steady vault]

TIL:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Trade dress is the characteristics of the visual appearance of a product or its packaging (or even the design of a building) that signify the source of the product to consumers.

For anyone who is ignorant of those things like me.

[simple nova]

I know there has been talk about something resembling a "dev kit" being released, but until there's more direct support for mimicking the trade dress of the books we're unlikely to go too far in that direction

[proper stone]

Does anyone know how to apply conditions in foundry vtt to a player from an attack? Im trying to cause on tier 3 of a Goul razor Claw to apply bleeding automatically. Maybe its just something i need to remember but trying to cut down on remembering.

[simple nova]

not supported in 0.7, 0.8 has more support

[placid oxide]

Has anybody put together a Getting Started with Draw Steel on Foundry Guide for New People? I'd love to port my group over, but we'll need to find a new virtual platform.

[steady vault]

If you mean Getting started with using Foundry for Draw Steel, the wiki on GitHub is pretty good (but you have to read it all to understand everything the system does for you and everything it doesn’t).
If you mean a Getting started with DS, I’d recommend the Delian Tomb.

[simple nova]

I figure once 0.8 comes out it'll be cleaner to do, the obvious question everyone has at first is "where's the stuff? how do I level up?"

[placid oxide]

Yeah I mostly meant how to get started with Draw Steel on Foundry--setting up characters and all of that kind of stuff.

Sounds like the wiki is where I should head

[sullen nest]

0.8 of the module is right around the corner, the guys are updating for draw steel release 1.0, it may be worth waiting a few days

[dapper coral]

I'm thinking by the time I'm ready to rally my friends for a oneshot 0.8 will be out.

[iron tartan]

hello asking as someone who sees code and magic runes as the same how is the module going ?

[smoky patrol]

Team is kicking ass and I think the community will be super excited with the next release

[iron tartan]

nice them i will cheking out very soon

[still smelt]

Did someone have a module for Foundry to help mark squads by chance? I recall a suggestion once upon a time

[night tusk]

To add what Odishy has said, version 0.8 should release soon, which will include level advancement automation as the main feature of the version

@still smelt I can recommend Token Colour Marker

[tepid grove]

This is kind of surprising, but I guess it leaves room for peeps to make their own visual style for the foundry system :P

Was organizing the rolls like table ever considered? Seperating tiers like how you have tables set up in the sheet already (alternate banding colors)

[simple nova]

For what it's worth I'm hopeful that by 1.0 we'll figure something out for the trade dress situation

[tepid grove]

Yeah, maybe just getting some ideas of something to fit foundry's aesthetic and maybe general visual ease might help in case nothing comes of the kit, because I don't think matching the trade dress is a huge deal as much as improving readability

[night tusk]

would it be possible to set up an enricher that references the rolled result? In particular I am looking in abilities that say things long the lines of "an ally can regain stamina equal to half the damage dealt"

[simple nova]

Potentially

[night tusk]

I'll add it to my AE scounting write-up

[still smelt]

Oh, shoot! NVM - I was looking at the wrong map - its all working fine 😅

@night tusk Any ideas why the previews don't match the color though?

[night tusk]

I had issues when I tried using Firefox instead of Chrome, bit beyond that, no idea, sorry 🤷🏻 but the module creator is quite helpful in GitHub so maybe try your luck there with a bug report

[still smelt]

I think I sort of found it - has something to do with dark mode on chrome and foundry 🤔

Interface needs to be on dark mode it seems:

[night tusk]

Odd

[short wadi]

I find token colour marker hugely helpful

I'll take a screen shot when I get home. But I made little graphics for numbers with different colours. I find it really helpful when managing big encounters or I wanna slap down down some monsters without having to stop and group everything.

I can share em if people want em

Usually I change the group/squad image to the number graphic as well

[still smelt]

I would be curious

[lusty orchid]

Is that the name of the model?

Module*

[narrow pivot]

Morning team, loving the automation as I dig into the wiki. A couple of quick ones please.

Figured out how to label the HR within a character sheet. But can't get the syntax right for automatic turn generation of HR. Is this automated yet? - Wiki seems to say so.

I suspect my issue is with turnGain and minimum below but can't get any combination to work. Thanks in advance:

  "name": "Talent",
  "type": "class",
  "_id": "jJpjlLvggx9ootZQ",
  "img": "icons/svg/item-bag.svg",
  "system": {
    "description": {
      "value": "",
      "gm": ""
    },
    "source": {
      "book": "",
      "page": "",
      "license": "",
      "revision": 1
    },
    "_dsid": "class",
    "level": 0,
    "primary": "Clarity",
    "turnGain": "",
    "minimum": "0",
    "characteristics": {
      "core": []

Where am I going to find the button/automation for 'When a hero has to roll a save to end a condition, they can spend a hero token instead to succeed. The pop-up prompt for the save has a button for this purpose'

[night tusk]

so the HR generation is handled via the class-item. When setting up a class, in the details you name the HR and state at what rate it generates (2 or 1d3). If done correctly, once a player claims a turn in combat, it will automatically roll for resource gain and add to their count.

as for the "spend hero token for save", when a hero is affected by an effect that is done with duration of (save ends), then when they click End Turn in the initiative tracker during combat, a pop-up will prompt them to roll the save. On this prompt, there is also a button to use a hero token to automatically succeed.

when you right click on a token to add a condition via the HUD, at the very top of the condition HUD, there is a dropdown menu to choose the duration of a condition (EoT, Save Ends, End of Encounter).

[night tusk]

if I would use [[/damage max(@M,@A,@R,@I,@P)]]{highest characteristic Score} in an ability description of an NPC, would that work?

I am please to report that, yes it does

[short wadi]

Realized I forgot to send these. I use em for the Token Color Marker module and group/squad images for the initiative tracker. Probably should make more, but I've never needed passed 5.

[night tusk]

nice

[shrewd hatch]

yoinking these immediately

[night tusk]

more might become a necessity with squads no being only min 4 minions, but generally I would recommend against having that many anyways

[eager helm]

could someone clarify to me how the groups work?

initiative groups i mean

like i get u put monsters in them, but do u just like

individually activate each monster within them?

as far as i can tell when you activate the group it doesnt activate the monsters within the group

[short wadi]

If I got 8 goblin warriors, I can stick 2 in each group for 4 groups of 2 goblin warriors each. So say a hero goes, I take group 1's turn and have 2 of them each take a turn. as far as I understand it

[eager helm]

no i get that, im just talking about managing the like

how it looks?

if that makes sense

u slap a buncha monsters into a group

do u press the arrow on the group or the monsters within?

[night tusk]

activating the groups turn is for book keeping I would say. activating an individual minion's turn is for saving on effects at the end of their turn

[short wadi]

oh in foundry, you still need to activate them seperately afaik

[eager helm]

so like

theres no automation there

right

unless its a minion squad

[night tusk]

not that I am aware off

[night tusk]

realistically you don't need to use the individual turn button if the enemies in a group are not affected by a condition

[narrow pivot]

I'm concerned the Hero Token display is tiny and at the bottom left hand corner of the VTT. Is there any module that I can use to spice that up? Maybe like a tile that dynamically represents the current HT total? Just curious.

Or a module that I can incorporate that would do this? Place a big vortex or something in the corner of the VTT with a bigger number in it.

[night tusk]

Given the system is still in development, I would be surprised if there is a module, but there might be one that let's you set up the proper data path 🤷 Probably a question best ask in the Australian before noon hours, when the Americans are not asleep and there are more people active here

[simple nova]

Ultimately, it's stored as a game setting. Idk if there's any modules that would handle it well

[half grotto]

Do we currently have a module list of what's needed to run DS vs what just helps? Obviously stuff like Dice so Nice is a must-have, I've always thought.

[simple nova]

Simple answer; there's not actually any must haves

Even DSN is hard to strictly recommend while it's still buggy on v13

[eager helm]

i like aura ring, or whatever its called

dice tray is a classic

condition lab for adding custom statuses

[half grotto]

I'm gonna try running tonight--at the very least character creation and maybe a danger room. I haven't ran the official system yet, just the other one that's now archived.

[steady vault]

I've had a weird idea. How could one (eventually) run an adventure — like the Delian Tomb — where the PCs don't start with all their stuff in such a way that the Director can easily assign or send the players their abilities as the adventure progresses?

Could you create dedicated journal entries for each PC with pages for every advancement level that would contain the appropriate abilities? Is there a smarter way (probably)?

[simple nova]

0.8 has the ability to re-do advancements

[steady vault]

Sure, but I mean the micro advancements of just adding one ability and one feature, let's say, as it becomes relevant.

[soft token]

Is the premise that you would be eg level 5 but have gotten none of the features from those levels, then hand them out piece meal?

If so, as chaosos says, you'd just re-do the relevant advancements.

(where initially you would have skipped them all, or configured them but deleted what they granted)

[wispy dock]

Correct - The beginning of Delian Tomb introduces new features for each pre-gen on an encounter basis (eventually ending on a fully featured level 1 character).

[simple nova]

Yeah it's strictly a level 1 thing

Polling question: Would you expect/want the Dragon Knight feature, "Remember Your Oath", to be listed as an ability?

Note: It's a maneuver that gives a temporary boost to saving throws

[eager helm]

i currently have it set up as such, so im biased, but i would prefer an ability

[half grotto]

Is the current draw-steel-abilities compendium data still the version 1.3.2 shown here?

[simple nova]

Currently everyone is working on getting stuff into the system

[half grotto]

That's absolutely fine, I just wanted to make sure this was the latest release via the update buttons thru Foundry 🙂

Believe me if I was more comfortable with this stuff I'd be on the front lines! Unfortunately I'm just getting back to work after taking some time off for GenCon so I'm playing eternal catch-up.

[steady vault]

I thought about using card decks for this purpose as well. Never used cards on Foundry, far less for this purpose; I think it’s technically feasible, question is: is it a good option.

[short wadi]

I would personally only want things as abilitiea if they are so in the rules. It could be confusing for some players. But i wouldn't be bothered if it was there.

[zinc glen]

I would like to have a single place where all the "actions" I have are
regardless of how I got them

having to jump between tabs in the ui is a sure fire way to completely forget that I have things

[short wadi]

That's always the struggle with digital character sheets I find. There's a lot of preferences. Physical sheets are nice because it's all in front of you, but limited space. Digital, infinite space, tabs, easy to nest, etc

[simple nova]

yeah, non-ability actions are IMHO just kinda weird within the rules

[short wadi]

I will say, anyone I've ever played with, has preferred when sheets have a tab for all the activated stuff with timings. Thinking of 5e, where you can see all your weapon attacks, spells, features, etc

Eventually, with character and system mastery, having everything in front of your face to reference becomes less of a need, imo

[zinc glen]

I know that even when playing in person I usually end up making a custom sheet for my character that lists all the things I can do by how they are used in play

when I'm playing it doesn't matter where a thing comes from, what matters is when I can use it

[lone minnow]

Token action hud is actually a godsend for this kind of thing, I know someone made a specific draw steel version that’s linked somewhere here in this chat.

It’s be nice to eventually have different effects on tokens also in the top right corner, I think visual active effects does that in 5e? Haven’t tested it with the current DS version yet.

[zinc glen]

(the cool thing about a digital sheet is that, with enough work, you can have both the "where do things come from view" and the "what can I use now" view)

the pf2e system shows effects on a token in the top right

[short wadi]

I used visual active effects for ages but I found one similar that liked more. I can link it later.

They both worked fine, I think I just liked the visuals of one more.

[soft token]

Twist the knife a little more, would you. :P

[short wadi]

I'm sorry 😭

So many of your modules have been a godsend

My 5e days were much improved

[soft token]

😔

[swift flume]

That’s me!

https://foundryvtt.com/packages/token-action-hud-draw-steel

[lone minnow]

Thanks so much! I kept missing it during the early days of testing out the custom system and then early versions of this system. It’ll make the transition from 5e much easier for my players.

[swift flume]

I’m glad. Yeah same for me. It was useful when I was testing combat instead of opening multiple sheats

[narrow pivot]

Perhaps duplicate the actor with additional bits each time? Null_1, Null_2 (one extra ability) etc

[steady vault]

Seems even more clunky than having a list of abilities to drag & drop onto the character sheet.

[narrow pivot]

Yeah it’s a short term workaround for sure

[sage grotto]

Any ETA for the release of 0.8?

[simple nova]

It'll be ready when it's ready. Data entry has been very revealing in some adjustments we need to make

The good news is it'll have a lot more compendium content than I had initially thought would be in 0.8.0

[lusty orchid]

Its ready when its ready and when its ready it'll be 🔥 🔥

[night tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/let-them-cook-let-them-fight-godzilla-godzilla-2014-meme-gif-10523835079864650811

[sage grotto]

Got it. Thanks again for all the hard work. Just trying to schedule around it

[wicked ruin]

Looking forward to the Foundry system, once my group finishes Kingmaker I’m going to be running the Delian Tomb for them. Since we’re like level 16-17 I’m guessing the system will be in a good place when we finish.

I was wondering if support was planned for the Pathfinder monster token modules to allow automatic mapping of monsters to token art if installed at some point? I know other systems besides Pathfinder 2e supports it and it would be nice to have a bunch of monsters get token art automatically.

https://foundryvtt.com/packages/pf2e-tokens-monster-core

https://foundryvtt.com/packages/pf2e-tokens-bestiaries

[simple nova]

I think it's unlikely we'd include those mappings in the base system, but a compatibility module (a la the one for Token HUD) would be perfectly reasonable

[wicked ruin]

All good. Hopefully someone does it as a comparability module at some point

[dapper coral]

Would be sweet if Paizo updated those later on to support the system.

My understanding was (could be mistaken) that Paizo’s folks did others a solid by including mappings for 5e and 13th Age in those modules.

[wicked ruin]

Ah could be, I’m not technical enough to know if that’s the case. I could very well be, since mapping to non Pathfinder systems means more sales.

[dapper coral]

I very much appreciated the 13th Age mapping myself.

[eager helm]

has anyone figured out an easy way to mass-apply free strikes, like in the case of minions?

[rain tendon]

I'm having a weird issue with the Foundry Module using the alternative Initiative rule. When I click on a actor in the tracker itself, it seems to reroll their initiative and shift their positioning? Is that meant to be happening? (I tested this with no modules installed, V13)

In fact it seems to increment their initiative down by one each time you click on them. Very odd 🧐

[simple nova]

It's possible the "alternative" initiative (aka D&D style) is not properly accounted for in all cases

[night tusk]

best I can do is the enricher [[/damage @monster.freeStrike]] which pulls the freestike damage of the selected actor as an applicable damage button which you then can apply repeatedly

which I have tested and it works

for a squad of minions you could for example add their number as [[/damage 8*@monster.freeStrike]], but this requires you to manually alter the enricher 🤔

[eager helm]

yeah thats fair, i just wished it work so i could use it in mixed-stat block squads

if that makes sense

[night tusk]

no I get it, but given an enricher can only pull from one monster stat block at a time (I think?) I don't think that would be possible with my approach

[prisma canopy]

Hi! I am working on an ingestion script for abilities, but cannot find any target corresponding to self and/or ally? Am I missing something, or is the model missing something?

[short wadi]

Unless it's been added for 0.8, it doesn't exist.

[simple nova]

Good news is I've already been doing that and so will be handled for 0.8

[prisma canopy]

That is great! Will keep going tough, as I find it a nice way to learn the system 🙂

[sonic moth]

@simple nova is there a way to financially support your efforts?

[simple nova]

OK I've finally sat down and made a personal ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/chaosos

[whole hawk]

👀 0.8 soon

i've been putting off really sinking my teeth into the system while QOL I keep needing is being made on the daily

somewhat of a bummer to go through a bunch of effort only for an update to drop that removes needing it

[rain tendon]

I don't know if this is a stupid question, but is there anyway we can help with like, filling out the compendiums once their introduced into the Foundry system? I don't really have any programing knowledge but would love to help with data entry/copying the stat blocks over for things like monsters if that is something feasible for a layman to do.

[simple nova]

quite a few people are already working on that; however, it does require being comfortable with GitHub

[rain tendon]

Gotcha, so probably not something I'd be able to just jump into

[tepid grove]

Would it be possible go get a "loot" item type for items that are just for descriptive purposes? 🤔 like key items or mcguffins, or other random non-mechanical function items that are important enough to havs a description?

[short wadi]

Might be good for tracking materials for crafting as well. 5x(ounces) costmary leaves, for example

[still smelt]

Is there a rough ETA on 0.8 - I thought I remember reading that it might have been ready this week, but maybe that's just wishful thinking?

[manic hinge]

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[short wadi]

Yup, sounds like it might be around the end of the month. But yeah, ready when its ready.

[simple nova]

Hoping sooner than end of month. What happened is we started doing features and realized we needed to better accommodate some edge cases before everyone goes too deep on the system

[smoky patrol]

GitHub isn't really programming, it's more a tool that programmers use. You can absolutely learn it though, basically just a way for a bunch of folks to work on files together without colliding.

All the work I've done so far has been all just updating stuff and cleaning up JSON, which is also just a text file in an organized format.

[night tusk]

YOSH! Monk's Active Tile Trigger got upodated to V13 ❤️

[sonic moth]

Dndbeyond importer is really nifty for 5e. Is anyone planning to make some kind of importer for something like this for draw steel? https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/hero

[soft token]

If they do, I hope they do it well. I disagree that DDBI (or its pf2e sibling) is any good. From what I have seen over the years, the character imports cause more issues than they help as any imported character would be likely to be blocked off from using a lot of system functions due to various issues with their setup.

There is character creation planned for 0.8 with the advancement system and I would sincerely hope a third party site import would not be required.

Now, using a third party site for planning a character? All for it, I know this site is great for that.

[dapper coral]

As long as folks in the long run can drag and drop their advancements from a compendium to their character sheet I think we'll be sitting pretty. 👀

I've seen importers much up things as well, or just break and be slow to update. So honestly in say PF2e, I tend to treat Pathbulder as a sandbox for playing with character options rather than my autorative sheet.

[smoky patrol]

Forge steel is also a great tool for folks who play in person.

[lofty copper]

I've simply refused to use DDB or DDBI over the years because my experience with both has been miserable. ducktape solutions for the ducktape game

[simple nova]

I'd estimate 0.8.0 is a good 50% of the way to that, still needs a lot more data entry

[short wadi]

As convienant as DDB is, used it a bunch, it makes you lazy and is very restrictive. It trains you out of understanding how things click together over time.

[simple nova]

But my goal is by 0.9 to have 100% of the data entry done

[short wadi]

Hell ya

[simple nova]

0.8.0 handles most advancements, but there's a few that will come later in the series

• characteristics
• perk choices
• ancestry traits

0.8.0 will have all the ancestry traits in the compendium but the whole point buy mechanism needs special attention

[short wadi]

Makes sense. I'm just happy to have classes.

[dapper coral]

Yeah, sounds like it'll be in a place where I'll be able to run a oneshot for folks with it which is gonna make me very happy.

[steady vault]

Just curious: have anyone of the coding people here tried the recently-released Cosmere RPG implementation in Foundry? They went way above and beyond and expectation that I had, so I’m not implying the Draw Steel system implementation in FVTT should be even remotely close to that.

[simple nova]

We take a look at all major system releases yeah

The funniest bit actually was finding out they use TypeScript

[short wadi]

Haha yeah... Can't believe it..
-# No context for this

I've seen some games use the macro bar area for running encounters with little pop ups when you hover/click then. Thinking something like nimble 5e. Idk if you've seen it, but is using that area/bar something that you've considered using?

[soft token]

🦆

[short wadi]

Thinking about dragging monsters or abilities to it where it's more dynamic for reading and sending to the chat outside of just a macro to run a script.

Can try and find a reference later, idk if it makes much sense 😅

[soft token]

Worth pointing out the people behind the Cosmere RPG's system implementation is an entire team as well, and they got official support before even releasing it.

[untold dust]

They were given direction about certain things from the Brotherwise folks too

[simple nova]

Whenever we end up doing the Encounter actor type I'm sure we can load it up with feature functionality

[lofty copper]

I only found out about it because apparently one of the devs is an asshole Pathfinder GM i used to have (and i still recieve horror stories about to this day)! At least he’s good at programming, it seems!!

Cosmere’s system is a very sexy implementation from what my friends have shown me

[still smelt]

@simple nova For the Data entry on monsters/abilities - is that something you're still looking for assistance with - or does it have to be done at more backend level to keep it all contained into a compendium?

[simple nova]

so we are looking for assistance but it's in the context of people submitting pull requests on GitHub

[still smelt]

I'd be open to help, if I can figure out how to do that. Any chance you have a walkthrough you can point to?

[simple nova]

We have Contributing guidelines - on a basic level, you

1. Clone the system repository
2. Create a branch
3. Open up foundry & do item creation/updates in the compendiums
4. Run a command to save those changes to the json files
5. File a pull request with your changes

[iron tartan]

so if i undertood this help you need is just to put the ruler and fill forms right ? no code what so ever ?

(i am afraid of math )

[simple nova]

the code we write actually involves very little math

but yeah ultimately it's book data entry

[iron tartan]

yes thank you

[eager helm]

not sure if i put in a ticket correctly: https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/842
or if i repeated a preexisting ticket

[simple nova]

I believe that's a duplicate of https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/673 which is resolved for 0.8

[eager helm]

my bad! thanks

[simple nova]

no worries it's one of the downsides of longer release cycles is bugs can be "resolved" for a while without actually being fixed for users

[lofty copper]

duplicate of #xxx may be the most typed github comment

[proper stone]

I'm trying to setup Ward of Excellent Protection for my friend and currently I have the applied effects of the following :
Att key : @damage.immunities.fire change mode: add Value: @characteristics.reason.value

Can anyone see why I'm unable to get the fire immunities up by their reason score?

[tepid grove]

Isn't rolldata not working yet in AE? iirc

I remember chaos saying something about that

[eager helm]

just set it to 2

u only have to increase it 3 times in a "full" campaign

[proper stone]

🤔 that’s a really good point okay ty!

[simple nova]

Also the key should never have an @ in it

You want system.damage.immunities.fire

[slim marsh]

Trying to follow steps to try and contribute but I can't seem to get the system to load in after following the steps/commands and seeing no errors through the step up to npm run build:packs.

I'd like to help with data entry but I'm obviously missing something either stupidly simple or a level of knowledge I don't have. I don't suppose there is a recommended youtube or tutorial that I could follow to help piece together what I might have missed without wasting anyones time?

[simple nova]

what's the error, and you probably need npm install first

[slim marsh]

No error, I ran npm install first as per contribution steps, created the settings.json in the path and made it to the npm run build:packs part.

[simple nova]

also probably worth highlighting we coordinate the data entry and other development tasks on the League server

https://discord.gg/rNzh6U2qMG

there's a draw-steel-dev channel

[slim marsh]

Gotcha, just was hoping to at least get it running first to be useful instead of troubleshoot it.

[simple nova]

What's the error?

[slim marsh]

There is honestly no error.

[simple nova]

My other guess: You have foundry open already; you can only pack or unpack while you don't have a world open

[slim marsh]

No world open, foundry is closed.

[simple nova]

OK, and so when you say "the system doesn't load" what do you get?

console errors, or just empty packs?

[slim marsh]

I think I made an incorrect assumption I would be seeing a separate system appear to use as a dev version. Is it instead a total replacement of the existing?

I took the "place it in" the draw steel folder very literally.

[simple nova]

ahhh yeah so I have two installs of foundry; my remote server that I run games from, and then my local is purely dev stuff.

What I might recommend is that you set up a "dev" install using the v13 portable install separate from how you run games locally

[slim marsh]

I'll give that a try, thank you.

Edit: Appears to be resolved. Built a portable install as recommended.

If others search and notice this, other items were:

Git downloaded the files as "draw-steel-develop.zip" - the resulting containing folders were named the same thing, had to rename that to just draw-steel and make sure file folders were within that, not the additional folder they put the assets within named the same thing.

Also, don't Amelia Bedelia the instructions to place the GIT files within the draw-steel system folder as I did while going letter by letter in the steps.

[simple nova]

wanted to throw a question to the crowd; should the Stormwright kits go with the other kits or should they go with the Stormwright class features in that compendium

[eager helm]

the latter imo

[still smelt]

question, but I saw a DS stream - is there a module to put all the NPC info on 1 page of a sheet, rather than tabs?

Or - really for all NPC's for that matter?

[still smelt]

See, I would have thought go with kits - at least for putting the stamina/damage/speed bonus in the kit area; then again stormwights also need a way to alter their stats when they shift, don't they?

[simple nova]

They will be kits but it's a question of organizing the compendiums (at least for now until we get a compendium browser going)

[still smelt]

Aaah! Ok - then in that case, I would agree with @eager helm , I'd put under Fury class features

[simple nova]

I think we can do more to improve lining things up in a more minimalistic sheet

I know for minions we definitely want one

[short wadi]

I was taking more of a look at the Nimble setup in Foundry. Something like these little simple sheets would be kinda neat.

[simple nova]

Yeah there's room for alternative sheets

[lofty copper]

the kits are listed in the class, not the kits page, so they should go with the class

[still smelt]

Quick question but will probably check tomorrow - is there a way to order combatants in the combat tracker? Its unclear how it orders them and seems like I can't change the order at all?

[simple nova]

The priority is based on

1. Disposition
2. If they've acted
3. Internal ID

[jovial nova]

Wondering where would be a good place to share some of the pregen tokens I made for Delian Tomb or if not allowed?

[simple nova]

#trpg_virtual-tabletop is probably the best spot if it's art assets because the R20/FG/Owlbear Rodeo deserve them too

[jovial nova]

Got it, thanks

[prisma canopy]

How is policy. Could I be of any help by for instance scraping https://github.com/SteelCompendium/data-md/blob/main/Bestiary/monsters/Draw Steel Monsters - Unlinked.md for a raw compendium as a starting point for cleanup?

[simple nova]

Yeah, honestly I was planning to do that but having someone else help write the scraper would be great

[prisma canopy]

Not sure if I can commit to it, so don't wait for me if you get time toward that. But I could give it a shot.

[frank sierra]

hey peeps! i'm a recently retired software engr that, for the past many years, coded on fedora. home win10 pc has zero setup for dev work. although old school emacs, i prefer vscode for most things (besides git). anyone want to be a go-to on set up questions for foundry module dev? (i did write an unpublished one for twitch integration five(?) years ago)

[night tusk]

Over at https://discord.com/channels/732325252788387980/1345535794554601553 in the foundry system dev-chat people will happily help you out

[simple nova]

tl;dr I just use vscode

our CONTRIBUTING.md file lists out some recommended extensions

[frank sierra]

channel is unknown to me, @ me there? is it this server or fvtt?

[night tusk]

Sorry I sent you the channel link instead of the invite

https://discord.gg/ycYQyfj3

[prisma canopy]

I see now that steelcompendium is not fully ingested either. And I have contractual issues preventing me from publishing code :/ As such I think my possible contribution would be more limited than expected. (I hoped to be able to produce full compendium set, which I think would be fine for me to share)

So I stop developing this. I managed to neatly parse out types, stat blocks and split out individual features, so if you want to I can outline those. But I think that is better done over DM.

[simple nova]

yeah feel free to shoot me a DM

[low hull]

why this doesnt seem to work? it keeps failing to get the level value

[eager helm]

i think thats a ticket for 0.8

[simple nova]

it is a ticket but is not going to be in 0.8

[simple nova]

we still need to implement that kind of logic

[eager helm]

apologies for the misinformation

[tepid grove]

Yeah, for the time being just put the actual value of level in there, as the value field doesn't accept rolldata keys right now

[still smelt]

Noticed a couple bugs in Foundry VTT tonight, a) when a player had a condition of save ends on them, it was rolling a save at the end of each characters turn, rather than their own and b) when I hit next round it immediatly rolled ALL players Heroic Resource immediatly. Have these been logged before?

[eager helm]

a is a known bug

b, idk

thats interesting

[simple nova]

The fix for A probably also resolved B

[eager helm]

dont wanna embaress myself again but is there a ticket for a feature like your secondary HR triggers?

ill explain - like imagine if there was a button you could click that gives you 1 or 2 HR, like the tactician gaining 1 focus the first time in a round an ally uses a heroic ability

then it would remain grayed out until the start of the next round

is there a ticket already for something like this?

[simple nova]

it's been discussed but idk if there's a formal ticket for it

would have to look

[eager helm]

ill look for it and if i cant find one ill write a ticket for it

ah yes, theres a ticket for it. coolio

[lofty copper]

Out of the loop: are we looking at having to do a character/monster ability re-do when 0.8 drops? will i have to remake everything, or can i get stuff set up now?

[smoky patrol]

Had a question for folks when it comes to monsters and malice abilities per type. Like all Goblins can spend malice to do x

Do directors want all those abilities on each goblin, or do directors want a generic goblin token that holds those abilities?

[steady vault]

In my mind, it’s easier for each Goblin to have all the Malice abilities that apply to them. I don’t have to remember to place a generic goblin malice token somewhere or track it.

[wicked ruin]

I think it 100% needs to be on each token, even if it's in it's own section. Draw Steel monsters and the system are pretty complex, if I have to look somewhere else for a monster's ability besides it's token/character sheet I'm going to forget it.

[short wadi]

I personally would not want them on creatures. I find it to be too much bloat. I just have the raw text on my encounter prep note.

It would be handy if there was a button for malice abilities on the encounter tracker perhaps.

[rain tendon]

+1 that I’d like the malice options listed on the npc stat block, maybe in its own tab, not a huge deal though if I need to track it myself somewhere

If it were up to me I’d also have the hp and stats “pinned” at the top of the sheet and be visible on every tab so you’re minimizing how much you need to flip through tabs with features/abilities/stats

[short wadi]

Actually a seperate tab would be a great idea if it's on the sheet

[steady vault]

I'm getting the feeling more and more that we'll eventually want every feature, ability, stats, triggers (and ressource generation), etc. on seperate tabs with a user option to merge all tabs in a vertical stack (a single page with lots of scrolling).

[short wadi]

Not a bad idea honestly.

[lofty copper]

@night tusk For health estimates, how do you have your winded/dying/dead stages set up? I can't figure out how to get it to work like i did in my CSB implementation.

[wicked ruin]

Or its own section at the bottom of the sheet. I worry if its on its own page its still an out of sight out of mind thing

[short wadi]

I would disagree, the less I have to scroll down to find things, the better. A big tab that says MALICE is pretty obvious

[rain tendon]

That’s definitely how I’m feeling about non-ability features right now

Since my eyes are usually on the abilities tab, I’m constantly forgetting anything not in that tab

[short wadi]

But if I have learned anything about actor sheets over the passed 4 years of using foundry, literally nobody can ever agree, so there will likely be modules to address specific desires. Which is totally fine.

[rain tendon]

My preference is less tabs, but malice I think is one of the ones I’d be fine for having it’s own since it’s not monster dependent most of the time

[lofty copper]

gimmie a Malice Window with all creatures loaded into the initiative order's malice abilities listed in it

fuck it, more windows!

[short wadi]

I think some kind of UI like this would be great for malice tracking and spending in the tracker

Click it, makes a pop up to spend on that monster's turn. Hell, could even send a reminder in to chat when you start a monsters turn "do you wanna spend malice buddy?"

[lofty copper]

god that's just giving me reminders of the trauma of BG3 reactions. hey you got a trigger on this hey you got a trigger on this heyyougotatriggeronthis

MORE POPUPS!

https://tenor.com/view/tom-scott-confetti-bitrate-snow-low-quality-gif-6143807375233136505

[short wadi]

I think a chat popup is not that intrusive

Not directly to the center of your screen

[lofty copper]

to be fair im used to very out-the-way systems generally, so the more automated it gets the more i go "do i need this?"

but yeah you're right

[short wadi]

Probably an easy checkbox to disable it. But hey, thats just my idea. Im no dev

[still smelt]

That's what I've been doing. I put malice abilities in the free triggered section of each monster, so it's right there whenever I check a monster

[simple nova]

Not too significant changes for abilities, the main change being to Applied Effects

Re: Malice, our solution will likely involve "Encounter" actors that function like the encounter sheet

[lofty copper]

So if i wanted to build out levels 1 and 2 of my table right now, I'm not gonna get too fucked up?

[simple nova]

Yeah, you'll be missing out on advancements but ultimately those are to simplify character building

[lofty copper]

And compendium content once 0.8 releases (and its built) means i can just rebuild the sheets quickly with the full-featured items

for making items like ancestries, should i be making those in my Item directory and dragging onto the sheet? is that best practice?

[simple nova]

Frankly, personal compendium is the best for a lot. We actually stone cold turned off creating ancestries in the sheet or in the item sidebar via UI

[lofty copper]

Assuming that's in 0.8 because i can still do that right now

[simple nova]

Yeah, it's part of the advancement update

[lofty copper]

siick

(I'm finally transferring from CSB lol) ah okay, so Equipment is for treasures. might be better to have book parity on that name?

[simple nova]

Definitely something we should consider

[lofty copper]

if it makes any difference, not seeing a Treasure item type immediately confused me

[still smelt]

They are subdived in equipment. Maybe equipment should be treasures instead

[simple nova]

Yeah I made a ticket and need to review the book wording

[lofty copper]

two questions:

• Can i use roll data like echelon or level in the Value field of an effect?
• Can i do math inside of the Value field and will it calculate for application? like, 2*level?

Trying to figure out how best to implement this

[simple nova]

1. Not currently
2. Not currently

We've got a ticket for processing values as roll data

[lofty copper]

swag, so for now i static type them and implement them as three different effects, then just turn them on and off by hand?

[simple nova]

Although in this case I think the Ability Modified PR doesn't even need parse at evaluation, it'll just get added to the damage formula

This is a good example of something that will be simpler when one of my existing PRs gets merged & deployed

[lofty copper]

just make prod your dev branch nothing will go wrong

nothing has ever gone wrong with a push to prod on a friday night

you will not regret it

[untold dust]

Make sure you already have other plans lined up too

[lofty copper]

book time off

[untold dust]

Like dinner with your family, etc

[simple nova]

Oh I guess since you asked, probably also worth highlighting the PR that's actually been holding up 0.8; we decided to break up Features into multiple new items subtypes

[lofty copper]

oh interesting!

[simple nova]

Perks, Titles, and Ancestry Traits will all be unique item subtypes

Features will remain for class features

[lofty copper]

yeah that tends to be how i approach things in my CSB work - I tried working with a master "item" type for a while, but i found its just easier to break them off individually for full control

item turned into weapon, armor, consumable etcetc.

[frank sierra]

anyone have the draw steel adventure delian tomb pre-gen and npc chars in a form that i could import? i purchased the module and am setting up for tonight (first time playing for all of us)

[rapid crypt]

I will say I plan to convert that monster data into json/yaml/xml after I get the markdown stable. Almost there.

[smoky patrol]

My theory which is untested... I am going to model the foundry monster object as a psobject, then create a script that will take raw JSON and map it to the psobject and output it into a format I should be able to import into foundry. Which in theory is a template other tools can also use to import/export stuff around the community.

I'm using powershell because it's convenient but certainly isn't a requirement as almost every language has tools for JSON and whatnot

[night tusk]

I'll send you screenshots when I'm at a computer 🙂

[jovial nova]

Best I have are the PC pregen tokens

[rain tendon]

I don't have all of the character pregens since I built them from scratch and only made the ones I needed, but I could export the JSON's of them and share them with you. Only issue you'll have is all the icons and tokens I used are gonna come up missing and will need to be reassigned

[frank sierra]

thanks! i'll just hack&slash my way through first session

[rain tendon]

Not sure if it's allowed to share random files on here or not so I'll just send you a private DM of the zip

[night tusk]

@lofty copper I thought I had it figured out, but I actually only changed the 50 % value to "Winded" and left it at that. But I just opened a feature request ticket with the dev to include functionality for below 0% and to be able to adjust the "don't mark as dead" creatures, sorry

[lofty copper]

thanks for putting the request in <3

How can i get item damage bonuses working? because item.bonuses.melee.damage.tier1 doesn't seem to be working in the Active Effect

[simple nova]

not really implemented in 0.7.3, my solution is still under review

But my basic idea is it's going to be a new AE subtype

[lofty copper]

ooooo

[pure briar]

Hi, I'm pretty much a foundry noob, but I've been messing around for a few days and I'm trying to get some of my player characters set up within foundry. How do I attach a template onto an ability for AoE abilities (I'm currently working on getting "Tough Crowd" working from the Draw Steel Abilities Module.). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[eager helm]

u can draw a burst or cube with the diagram tool

[simple nova]

Yeah, currently don't have any template logic attached

[simple nova]

@wary goblet 0.8 will not only have a lot of data entry but will feature a ton of new features like Advancements

[wary goblet]

that sounds great (and also a lot of work haha)

[dapper coral]

Sounds more and more like it's gonna be a huge milestone.

[short wadi]

This early on, basically every update is a huge milestone. There's a lot of groundwork to be laid

[versed crane]

sorry if this has already been covered, but I'm trying to input the Delian Tomb pregens into the DS foundry system and I've hit a blockage. How do I add an effect in the Failure/Success areas of a power?

For ex: I'm trying to create Stunning Blow, but don't now how to add the Daze and Slow effect (the dropdowns are empty and I can't seem to free-type into them)

Nevermind, I figured it out. For those in the future that may also have this issue, add an "Applied Effect" under the Effects tab, then select it in the dropdown

[simple nova]

Fwiw this is getting redone in 0.8

[versed crane]

Bad timing on my part, I guess 😄

[simple nova]

Yeah, unfortunately got some details we need to get right before we push out an update

[versed crane]

how dare you do QA on software

[shrewd hatch]

Yeah! Release a buggy mess and fix it later, it's what all the big game studios do!

[haughty tundra]

I'm starting to look at Draw Steel on foundry to get ready to run some games. Is there currently a way to create the traits for an ancestry?

[still smelt]

They're adding in some ways to seperate them; but for right now, you can put the text in the 'Features' section of a character

[haughty tundra]

Ty, that is what I was wondering about

[unique iron]

How big of a difference is it between the existing V12 version and the V13 version?

I'm nervous to update from V12 as all my existing games run the way I want them to as is. But I'm also curious about this to see if it might be worth it for the draw steel progress.

[lofty copper]

Are you on a hosting service or do you run from your local machine

[unique iron]

Local

[lofty copper]

V13 supports portable instances, so you can just install it to a different folder as long as you grab the Windows (Portable) installer and it'll keep everything separate