Foundry VTT System

[simple nova]

I pulled the 0.7 build because we're doing some more breaking changes than expected this week

[short wadi]

What if I already have it installed?

ah gotcha ok

I'll just keep as is since we have session... oh shit today lol

The week really got away from me

[simple nova]

That was for 13.339 and will have issues on 13.340+

[sullen nest]

@night tusk In doing the monsters I had to figure out how to make compendium folders, so I can probably put the character abilities into folders by level etc.

[azure niche]

is it supposed to be empty?

[sullen nest]

What are you expecting to be there?

[azure niche]

like, the default ancestries and classes and stuff, perhaps

[sullen nest]

That kind of stuff generally lives in compendiums more than journals in my experience. Those things do not exist for the draw steel system yet, I put out a module to add a compendium, but it just has abilities and monsters (you can find it higher in this thread)

[azure niche]

My bad I didn't know the difference, I'll install your module

[sullen nest]

No trouble, glad I could help

[azure niche]

Is this a me problem or a known issue?

[sullen nest]

Current version has been out for a week or so and I haven’t gotten that as a bug report yet, can’t really look into it right now as I’m on mobile. Did you follow the readme?

[azure niche]

I did, what version of foundry is the addon for?

[sullen nest]

12 stable

13 stable came out 2 days ago, so nothing is updated for it yet

[azure niche]

oh okay that makes sense, I'll just go back to the older version

yay it worked thanks

[limpid yew]

@simple nova Would you be willing to pin the post from Ashes42 with the compendium for easy reference as well? #1342298358664138805 message

[simple nova]

unfortunately it's not gonna be super helpful in 0.7 as we're queuing up a ton of breaking changes

[limpid yew]

Ah, all good! I'm quite looking forward to my full clean installation of Foundry for it, as I've got a lot of baggage from old versions and add-ons.

[sullen nest]

It will be when I integrate with the changes ;p

[simple nova]

fair 'nuf. Anyways, as it turns out I dont have pin permissions anyways 😂

[dusky token]

mods can still do it inside forum posts, let us know if you have a post you'd like pinned.

[simple nova]

the one that's linked here

[simple nova]

The big hangup for 0.7 is we're having some critical discussions about the data structure for abilities. If people could chime in with particularly "weird" abilities so we don't miss any edge cases that would be helpful

[include a citation if it's not in the Backer Packet, since this is a public channel]

[night tusk]

I had already opened a few tickets about abilities, but just a quick rundown from the top of my head:

• abilities that allow to spend X+ HR to gain extra bonuses per X HR spent
• abilities that in their first effect force the target to make a test resulting in damage/effect depending on tier rolled (resistance rolls?) And then some of these abilities have a secondary effect depending on the resistance roll
• abilities that cause damage/heal independently of a power roll (e.g. Censor's Judgement)

I assume though that's not exactly what you mean, is it?

[simple nova]

no that's good

the main thing we're talking about is flipping the relation of tiers & effects, so you'd add a Damage effect then define the tier results rather than define a damage effect for each tier

with of course a null option for "not present at a tier"

[eager helm]

i would like that a lot more

instead of putting in results each time

also i would heavily prefer a way to put line breaks for effects

[sullen nest]

Mark, judgement, and null field are each their own particular kind of special

[simple nova]

yeah, this is the type of thing that we really want to get right now

[limpid yew]

The Fury's Growing Rage tracks are a bit unusual in that they're permanent bonuses while you have a set HR value, and they last to the end of a turn even if you consume them during that turn.

[night tusk]

They do??? 😳

I thought the drop the moment the consuming ability is resolved

[wraith warren]

I don't know of any off the top of my head, but some abilities will have an effect happen before the damage roll, and some after

[eager helm]

^^

[limpid yew]

RAW:

[short wadi]

I'm wondering if any macro wizards here would be able to help me with a few. Thought to ask here instead of the foundry macro server because people might be less familiar with it there.

[celest dock]

What are you trying to do?

[short wadi]

Just want 2:

1. One that let's you spend hero tokens in a box you can type into or a drop down. Whatever's easier. (click to prompt a dialogue box, choose how many you wanna use, it reduces the pool by that number)

2. Way to spend recoveries and have it heal the actor.

I'm sure this stuff will be implemented at some point in system. Just want a patch to make the game easier for my players now.

[celest dock]

Fair enough! When I get some free time this morning, I can whip something up.

[short wadi]

Appreciatcha!

My players were asking me, thought I'd see if it's not a hassle for anyone. Others might find it useful in the meantime as well

[eager helm]

would love to see this as well

[simple nova]

Yeah all of that is in 0.7, but we're holding off a bit as we work on the ability model

Zhell has a bunch of free time he's about to spend putting the abilities together on his vacation

[short wadi]

Oh really? I didn't see a way to spend recoveries on mine. Unless you mean the proper 0.7 thats coming soon. I still have the early sneak peak one

[sullen nest]

It's unclear if the nulls discipline mastery ability performs the same

[limpid yew]

From what I'm seeing it works the same as Fury. Looks like they clarified it after the last Patreon Packet.

[simple nova]

yeah the proper, it's something Cody added

[celest dock]

Here's a macro for spending recoveries. Should work on the 0.6 releases too. But yeah, there's an option on the sheet coming in the full 0.7 release.

const actor = token?.actor;

if (!actor) return ui.notifications.error("No token selected");
if (actor.type !== "character") return ui.notifications.error("Only characters can use recoveries");

const recoveries = actor.system.hero.recoveries;

if (recoveries.value === 0) return ui.notifications.error("The actor has no recoveries to use");

const stamina = actor.system.stamina;

await actor.update({
  "system.stamina.value": Math.clamp(stamina.value + recoveries.recoveryValue, stamina.min ?? -Infinity, stamina.max),
  "system.hero.recoveries.value": recoveries.value - 1,
});

ui.notifications.info("Recovery completed!");

[short wadi]

Ahhh thanks!

I'll pop it in later tonight.

[sullen nest]

Any release target for 0.7? Yall keep teasing me with features

[simple nova]

After feedback last week we're doing a bigger rework of Abilities

which we'd really like to get done before 0.7 because it's a lot of breaking changes

[sullen nest]

Yeah but like, when : D

[limpid yew]

Considering it's a fully free implementation of the tool, I'd rather have their limited resources going to coding the changes instead of estimating how long it's going to take to code the changes.

[simple nova]

I mean, it's simply "I don't have an estimate"

[sleek furnace]

Is there a place spend effect is supposed to be visible for abilities, before and after choosing to do it and roll? I'm not seeing it anywhere.

[eager helm]

works perfectly!

[eager helm]

i couldnt find a way for this to work so i suspect its a 0.7 feature

[eager helm]

how do you grant hero tokens?

[short wadi]

I dont believe its in 0.6

Most of the things you're gonna be looking for are in the next update

[eager helm]

gotcha

[short wadi]

I just used the global clocks module to track that stuff

[eager helm]

yeah im using the party resources module rn

[short wadi]

I use it for tracking montage tests and stuff

[eager helm]

i use global clocks for that as well

giving 1-2 victories to the whole party is another macro i wanna figure out

[short wadi]

Yeah, that would be nice. I really wish I understood macros better.

[eager helm]

sorry for necroing this post but did you get around to writing this macro?

[celest dock]

Oh shoot. No I prioritized adding that function to the system first and then never did the macro in the interim.

[eager helm]

ah i see

thanks for the update

[celest dock]

Are you using the 0.7 preview on v13? Or still on 0.6?

[eager helm]

i dont think theres a public version for 0.7, unless im misstaken

in either case, im still on 0.6

[short wadi]

It was briefly released during the v13 testing

[celest dock]

Macro to add victories until this function is added to 0.7. Let me know if this works for you.

const input = foundry.applications.fields.createNumberInput({ name: "victories", value: 1 });
const victoryGroup = foundry.applications.fields.createFormGroup({
  label: "Award Victories",
  hint: "How many victories should be awarded?",
  input: input,
  localize: true,
});

const fd = await Dialog.prompt({
  content: victoryGroup.outerHTML,
  classes: ["draw-steel", "award-victories"],
  window: {
    title: "Award Victories",
  },
  label: "Award Victories",
  callback: ([html]) => Number(html.querySelector("[name='victories']")?.value ?? 0),
  rejectClose: false,
});

if (fd) {
  for (const actor of game.actors) {
    if ((actor.type !== "character") || !actor.hasPlayerOwner) continue;

    await actor.update({ "system.hero.victories": actor.system.hero.victories + Number(fd) });
  }
}

[short wadi]

I think that just hits tokens on canvas. Should it maybe target actor.hasPlayerOwner?

[celest dock]

It's only the currently selected tokens, yeah. It filters out non-characters

[short wadi]

Might be a situation where a player is absent, and not on canvas but you need/want to reward them a victory

[celest dock]

There you go.

[eager helm]

works perfectly, many thanks!

[short wadi]

Thanks!

Hmmm.. doesn't seem to be awarding actually

The other version was.. odd

[celest dock]

That's just an oops on my part. Try now

[short wadi]

Ah, there we go!

Amazing, thanks a million

I always feel bad for asking for these sorts of things. I hate to feel like a burden. But that's what great communities are for

Now, if anyone could help with just ONE more. I want a macro to choose how many hero tokens to spend using a similar dialogue box. If your or someone else has the time

[celest dock]

Doing that one for you right now!

[celest dock]

Let me know if this works for you. Note: there's no automation, so it won't give you your surges, stamina, etc.

const selectInput = foundry.applications.fields.createSelectInput({
  name: "heroTokenSpendType",
  options: Object.entries(ds.CONFIG.hero.tokenSpends).map(([value, { label }]) => ({value, label})),
  labelAttr: "label",
  blank: "",
});

const spendGroup = foundry.applications.fields.createFormGroup({
  label: "Choose Hero Token Option",
  input: selectInput,
});

const fd = await Dialog.prompt({
  content: spendGroup.outerHTML,
  classes: ["draw-steel", "hero-token-selection"],
  window: {
    title: "Choose Hero Token Option",
  },
  label: "Choose Hero Token Option",
  callback: ([html]) => html.querySelector("[name='heroTokenSpendType']")?.value ?? "",
  rejectClose: false,
});

if (fd) {
  const spendSuccess = await game.settings.get("draw-steel", "heroTokens").spendToken(fd);
  if (spendSuccess !== false) ui.notifications.info("Successfully spent hero tokens");
}

[short wadi]

Absolutely!

Thanks again. I assume there is no way to change the text of the options for the drop down?

I only ask because the improve test was changed to reroll, but not the current packet.

Totally fine if not, we know what it means.

It looks like it references something built in to the system

[celest dock]

You could make your own options object under the select input, but you'd have to use the system keys since those do get validated.

I can DM if you want me to explain how to change that.

[short wadi]

nah, all good

I appreacite it!

[celest dock]

No problem!

[short wadi]

I am slowly becoming a macro user XD

[eager helm]

ur on 0.7 right?

[short wadi]

Yup

[eager helm]

i know theres a HT tracker in 0.7, is there one for malice?

[short wadi]

They're tracked on non-minion monsters, yes

automatically adds appropriate amount at start of round and consumes when using a malice ability

[eager helm]

oh nice

is there a toggle for additional malice spends?

[short wadi]

Im not sure what you mean by a toggle. But on monsters, there is a field for additional cost. (spend 1 malice more to do x)

[eager helm]

hmmmm maybe ive been doing it wrong

[short wadi]

I think that should be on 0.6. I don't remember if it works or not to consume the resource. Hard to know when it's been such a short amount of time between 0.6 and 0.7 and so many things changing haha

[eager helm]

in 0.6 theres a toggle for that but either idk how it works or it doesnt work

[short wadi]

What do you mean by toggle?

[eager helm]

just like a check box for u to spend additional malice or HR on an ability

[short wadi]

I dont think there is such a thing

Its just fields you put the number in to

or do you mean when you activate the ability?

That all seems to be working on 0.7

There just doesn't, yet, exist a field for the spend effect text

[eager helm]

yeah thats what i mean

think i just phrased it poorly

[short wadi]

afaik this was all in 0.6, it just didnt consume the resource. idk, its hard to say because I dont really keep track of these things. If it works, it works.

[short wadi]

The customization continues

[eager helm]

steel undrawn....

[night tusk]

what are the first two macros?

[short wadi]

I got have emote module and made a custom emote. Originally, I had to target all actors in a combat and manually do it, but the module maker liked the idea so they added the option for triggers. So now it just automatically plays at the start of combat.

The other just updates all the combat tracker images to the portrait, because the token image looks weird when you do dynamic tokens

[night tusk]

@eager helm I found this to work really well and it also allows players to use hero tokens themselves, rather than relying on me to do it for them

[eager helm]

my issue is that the card bar ui is too small

maybe thats just me

[short wadi]

Oh, is it? I have an ultrawide. Pretty big screen, never noticed it being that small even for me.

[eager helm]

just in relation to the rest of the interface

could never find an option to resize

[short wadi]

Fair enough. I found it to basically be the same size as the players tab. Kinda felt at home. Plus you dont really gotta interact with it much besides clicking a card once and awhile.

[night tusk]

Hey Drafty, where is the icon that you used for thew hero tokens macro located? I like it

[short wadi]

Uhh....

Commodities... currencies. I think

[night tusk]

yesm thank you!

now the question of course, where are the hero tokens the macro draws from?

[short wadi]

I don't know if this would work for 0.6

[night tusk]

right! damn

[short wadi]

Or at least in a visible manner.

[night tusk]

@celest dock is the hero token macro 0.7 exclusive?

[short wadi]

For me on 0.7, it's below the player display

I dont remember seeing it anywhere before that

[night tusk]

I remember liking this a lot, what was the input for this one? (and the emote)
Or how does it now trigger automatically?

[short wadi]

Gambit's Emote Bar

[night tusk]

and is this a scene transition or something else?

[short wadi]

I can send you the macro I made for it. It's easy to set up. Oh you'll need JB2A's animations as well

[night tusk]

tha tI have already at least

[short wadi]

Just the pause bar, with a module to change the image and text

[night tusk]

yes, please DM me the macro if you don't mind 🙂

[celest dock]

Should work on 0.6 too

[night tusk]

how do I add hero tokens on 0.6?

[celest dock]

There's not a UI way in 0.6

[night tusk]

fair enough, then I'l stick with my game cards for now

[wind kite]

It won't let me install. Tells me "Error: Module validation errors id: may not be undefined"

[sullen nest]

Does not run on v13 yet, the draw steel system itself doesn’t run either unless you run a prerelease version. For context v13 stable has been out less than a week, if you want to use modules in general, foundry recommends sticking with 12

[wind kite]

Gotcha, thanks 🙂

[sleek furnace]

Is there a way to get UUID links to work in display text for tier results?

[simple nova]

It's not formally enriched at the moment, although we are actively reworking a lot of the ability handling. What's your use case?

[short wadi]

Q: Will there be some way in the future to interact with an ability that has been rolled to chat? or when rolling, force a specific tier result? Thinking about the Fury's Make Peace With Your God! ability where your next ability power roll achieves a tier 3 result

[simple nova]

Yes, I'm currently thinking that should go in like a right click context menu

[short wadi]

I agree!

I'd rather them be able to roll it, to see if they crit, and then be able to up it

Because I think you always roll to see if you crit even on automatic successes

[simple nova]

Yeah

There's also some supporting abilities that have fairly different effects on each tier, leveraging the "downgrade" rules

[short wadi]

I wonder if 3 buttons here to toggle the roll here would be an idea?

T1 | T2 | T3

Because you can always opt to downgrade a roll as well

[simple nova]

Nah I think this is more right click context menu rather than primary buttons

[short wadi]

Fair, its pretty niche. Doesnt need to be visible 95% of the time

[sleek furnace]

Sorry had to run out. I wanted to link to a jounral page I made for bleeding inside an Applied Effects Display Text. Like this: "M<0 @UUID[JournalEntry.KHFAoBi0oAkgU0LG.JournalEntryPage.pnJ2C13NqobD9JWR] (save ends)" That way you could click on where it said bleeding and it would bring up the condition.

[simple nova]

ahh yeah I think our solution there is just going to be improving general reference handling

I'm not super sold that we'll enrich everything

[night tusk]

would it be possible that the macro also includes a chat messages along the lines of 'Actor X has used a recovery'? 😇
If you don't mind the little bit extra?

[night tusk]

and the same with this victories macro? Something like 'The party gained X victories!' or 'The party was awarded X victory points!'?

[brave tulip]

Hey I'm trying to install the foundry module and it is just not working. I copy the URL into the box and it says successfully installed

But then I don't see it listed in my systems and I can't select it when I'm making my world

I feel like I'm doing something pretty simple wrong but I just don't know what

[sullen nest]

The most common issue people are having right now is that they are using foundry v13, for which the modules are not yet updated

[brave tulip]

Ah that must be it

[simple nova]

yeah we're still working on our v13 release after some early feedback on a beta version

[brave tulip]

How do I revert my foundry?

...should I revert my foundry?

Should I just wait?

[sullen nest]

Depends what you want to do

[brave tulip]

I honestly just use it to track position and initiative. I just need a system that will use the Zipper Initiative and will track movement with "squares" rather than meters or feet

Is there another system I can use to make that happen?

I don't need anything overlly complex

[simple nova]

if you haven't done anything else, you can just uninstall v13 and reinstall v12.331

[brave tulip]

Worked like a charm! Thx

[sly hinge]

lancer initiative works for any system and gives you that kind of initiative

[simple nova]

(the 0.6.2 system already has all the initiative handling)

[sly hinge]

and you can edit any map and change the measurements to squares

[eager helm]

^^

[sly hinge]

you right click on your scene, edit it and on the grid tab change the grid scale to something like this

[night tusk]

Now that the Rolldata entry is finished (for now), if someone of the team had time to tell me about existing and future automation, I can include that in a dedicated wiki page?

[night tusk]

From the top of my head I know about the hr/malice generation, how victories play into that, and targeted status effects (frightened, grabbed, taunted) but I don't remember which one of those was still wonky?
What else is there?

[celest dock]

Taunted still isn't automated. Off the top of my head, weakened should also be automated.

[night tusk]

So weakened should automatically just apply a bane without a source, right?

[celest dock]

Correct.

Slow is also automated. Winded and dying will auto apply.

[night tusk]

Is that as if 0.6.2 or only 0.7?

[celest dock]

I think 0.6?

[night tusk]

How would| slowed be affecting the vtt? In 0.6 there is no indicator for allowed speed, etc

[celest dock]

Should update the value on the sheet.

[night tusk]

Ah ok 👍🏻

[simple nova]

And tonight I filed a PR that would indicate allowed speed in 0.7

[night tusk]

is there a data string that allows to give a flat damage bonus or do I need to address all tiers individually to achieve that?

would abilityBonuses.damage work?

[simple nova]

I don't think there's currently one for all damage tiers but honestly that stuff is super in flux

[whole hawk]

Hey there.

Super new to both DS and Foundry - still kind of learning the ropes as I go. I actually looked into Foundry for the express purpose of running a DS oneshot to test the waters with a few buddies.

Anything I need to know off-rip?

I can't search threads, so all I can really do is scroll up to see anything important..

[short wadi]

Welcome! The system (both the game and the Foundry implementation) are still works in progress. But you probably know the former.

The Foundry system module should be getting an update within the near future which will bring a bunch of functionality into the system. V13 of Foundry itself caused some breaking bugs. I think they're taking some extra time to iron those out and making some more adjustments to Abilities and such.

Right now the version available is basically the first public release. Functional, but very rough.

I've run a few sessions in the system and it's been a blast. As long as you have players who are reasonably understanding, you should be able to navigate any speed bumps.

[whole hawk]

Cool beans. I see some macros and a compendium have been made up above.

Not that I'm entirely sure what a macro is other than 'button that executes code'

Can I ask - I see a Features tab here, but the only feature types it lists are Perks and Titles - is this not where you'd list class features and ancestry traits?

Or do those go elsewhere?

[short wadi]

Those would be non power roll things, non Abilities

Macros allow you to set up specific commands that aren't exclusively game mechanics, but sometimes can be. They're highly customizable. Someone in here was generous enough to make us a few to grant victories to players or use a recovery and gain stamina. Some of which will be in the system as features, but a patch so to speak for now.

[whole hawk]

I see. One other wrinkle:
This character's Max Stamina should be 21 for a level 1 Shadow using Cloak & Dagger, right?

[short wadi]

Oh and to clarify, more feature types will be supported in the future, I strongly assume. Those are just the ones there right now

[short wadi]

That sounds correct to me, based on making one yesterday.

18 class
3 kit

There's also a pinned link for a comnedium you can install that has a bunch of the Abilities for classes and monsters that you can drag and drop.

I'm on a test preview, so I can't install it myself. Not sure exactly what it's contents are now that it's been updated.

Here

[whole hawk]

Yup! Already snagged it. Noticed a mistake on Hesitation Is Weakness, though, unless I'm wrong. Guess I'll let the maker know later.

[short wadi]

Awesome!

[whole hawk]

Why's it say 23

Did I mess up..?

[celest dock]

What did you set the max stamina to?

[short wadi]

Oh, I didn't see Max. Hm, might be a bonus from somewhere else or a wrong input

[whole hawk]

I wasn't aware I could set the Max..

The class asks you for the base amount, but I don't recall seeing a Max input box anywhere

[short wadi]

It should automatically catch the classes stamina and kit, so no need to manually add it. If you did somehow.

[whole hawk]

Oh, wait, I had to flick the Edit lamp on

[short wadi]

But that would be a different number, 24 if you manually added the 3.

[whole hawk]

Neeeevermind. Did in fact mess up.

[celest dock]

It doesn't take class stamina into account.

[short wadi]

It doesn't?

Oh, mb

[celest dock]

Not yet.

[whole hawk]

This was set to 20 for some reason

[short wadi]

I think it's always 20 by default

[celest dock]

Yep! Set it to 18 and then the kit will be auto added.

[whole hawk]

Will it? I ended up adding it myself, but maybe that's because I did stuff out of order

[celest dock]

When toggle back to play mode the max stamina should be 21

[whole hawk]

Oh, wait, you mean the Stamina bonus

[short wadi]

You mighta been in play mode, not edit.

[whole hawk]

Think I got the hang of it, maybe

[short wadi]

I'm sure you'll have a lot of questions. There's a few of us who are usually active. But you'll largely hear a lot of "not yet" or "is x set up?" for "how do I do x"

The combat tracker for 0.7 is so much better.

[whole hawk]

I see you constructed some role Icons and a pause bar / start combat macro - mind sharing those with me?

[short wadi]

Yeah, I can send you the files. The pause bar is just a module. https://foundryvtt.com/packages/pause-icon

The start combat is an emote macro that is really complicated to set up if you're new, so I don't think I wanna direct you down that rabbit hole. It just plays an emote, doesn't start combat.

Looks like I need to add you to send em. I'll post em here and then delete em.

You'll need to enable the dynamic token ring in the token settings

Well, need is a strong word. You don't have to. But they'll look odd without a token border.

[whole hawk]

Yeahhh, devving on the side means that I unfortunately can't keep my DMs open

Time was they were and I tried to inform people only to use them for 'emergencies'

But what constitutes an emergency to a gamer is...well.

Literally anything at all.

[whole hawk]

I'm gettin' places..

Made a test map in Dungeondraft and it imported well enough

Looks like there's a lot of hoops to jump through for multi-level buildings though

[short wadi]

It's incredibly complicated and I wouldn't recommend it until you feel more comfortable with foundry. You could easily map the different level on the same map as one scene, or different scenes. The regions make teleporting tokens a breeze.

Doing levelled scenes with stacking floors on top of each other requires a module and some fancy layering.

The DD importer is very helpful!

[whole hawk]

Running a test combat (It still says 'not started', don't know if that's normal)

[whole hawk]

Wait, elaborate

[short wadi]

In what way?

I'll assume a few things. If you want a map with say 3 floors. You could make the map on one scene and just wall off the different areas. Or make 3 unique maps that are different scenes.

Using the region tool on the left side,looks like a checker board. You could place down areas you wish to designate as say stairs. Open the menu for that region and choose teleport token as the function and link the other scene/region to it. I'm sure there's a tutorial out there for this somewhere.

https://foundryvtt.com/article/scene-regions/

[whole hawk]

Iiiiii see

[sullen nest]

On 0.6 I haven’t been able to get the combat tracker to work properly, I just manually track the round number and reset everyone’s turns

[sullen nest]

What’s the issue with hesitation… Many of the 0 cost items cost 1 and I haven’t been able to figure out why, but that does cost 1 so you must be seeing another issue

0.7 should solve all our problems and make everything perfect forever! Also get everyone on the same version.

[whole hawk]

It's actually the opposite - HIW is a Free Triggered Action with a Cost of 1, but when I dragged it over, it counted as an 'Other Ability' with no cost.

Was able to edit it manually, but nonetheless.

I think there was another like that, but I'm unable to recall

[sullen nest]

Yeah, the compendium is meant to be an 80% solution, you will likely find stuff you so need to make/edit, but it should save you a lot of time

[azure niche]

why isn't the compendium included by default btw?

[whole hawk]

Made by someone Not The Developer after the fact as a contribution, I guess

[simple nova]

0.7 is gonna break the whole thing and we don't want to be responsible for maintaining it yet

[celest dock]

The system is still in flux with lots of changes, so focusing on compendium content that would have to be fixed a lot isn't worth it yet

[simple nova]

(also, frankly, I expect by the time we are ready for compendium content, we'll just have the final book)

[whole hawk]

Speaking of, I cobbled together a custom character sheet for myself and my buddies using g-docs (which I was informed doesn't strain legality beforehand)

If'n anyone's interested

[simple nova]

(google sheet implementations would be a different thread this one is focused on Foundry)

[whole hawk]

Fair enough

[limpid yew]

My character sheet of choice currently is Forge Steel https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/. It's got a Data Export option that I expect someone will eventually build an importer for Foundry once things have stabilized a bit more.

[whole hawk]

wow WHAT I've never seen that

...This is why I should join subject matter discords more often

[night tusk]

@whole hawk

Find the YouTube video by AmbyNavy that talks about how to implement draw Steel into foundry. She has some helpful modules and tricks I find.
She made the video unrelated to this play system and for example the "Conditions & Triggler" module is not functional in this game system, the other modules are really helpful for the DM, I find.

• Token Bar Brawl (helps with minion management)
• Token Aura Ring (helps with initiative group management)
• Party Resources (helps keep track of countable instances of things, like my group keeps track of XP with it for now (XP tracking this way will become unnecessary in version 0.7))
• Global Clocks (great to keep track of limited things, such as montage tests)

Personal Recommendation: get "Find the Culprit"! The module does nothing initially, but if something in your hand breaks, you can run it to turn on/off half of all your modules multiple times until you found the one that's causing the issue. I find it super helpful

[whole hawk]

I. May have accidentally reacted to that with a middle-finger emoji at first.

Maybe. Allegedly.

[whole hawk]

Heheh.

[whole hawk]

Is there something I can use to globally track Malice and Hero Tokens?

Oh, wait, Malice is per-enemy.

Does the system currently add it for you?

[simple nova]

Malice and Hero are both global values tracked by the system. 0.7 makes a bunch of improvements to their visibility

[whole hawk]

I see. Anything I can use to see them in the interim?

[simple nova]

Malice should be in the header on each NPC

it's specially synched across them

and yes the system does automate the addition of malice

[sleek furnace]

If you want it visible in the map you can probably use a resource bar on tokens to accomplish that.

[sleek furnace]

Was just poking around and noticed that minions don't have the malice in their sheet, which if I'm remembering correctly, makes since because they can't spend it. Right? If so, nice touch!

[acoustic crypt]

Is now a good time to try running DS in Foundry, or should I wait for the next update or whatever? I read something about incompatibility or something.

[eager helm]

it runs perfectly rn

[simple nova]

so 0.6.2 works just fine on v12

and then 0.7 will be ready to go with v13 once it's ready. We pulled back releasing 0.7 to rework the Abilities

[acoustic crypt]

Okay cool, thanks.

[whole hawk]

Now I'm confused

The heroes' manuscript makes it sound like malice is a single global resource to be used across all enemies

But then each enemy has its own malice counter?

[eager helm]

its represented weirdly in 0.6

i would just use the party resource module

to track it

[simple nova]

it's synched across all NPCs

so if you use malice on one, it'll be used on another

[sleek furnace]

What you can do it make a big enemy with a resource bar for it. Place it on the map and make it hidden. That way you don't need to refer back to the sheets.

Is the difference between .6 and .7 going to break current campaigns? Totally understandable if it does, just wanted to check.

[simple nova]

won't be a total break but Abilities are receiving some major breaking changes

basically the whole tiered/effects stuff will be replaced

[whole hawk]

made some token portraits for the two players i have so far

(wish i was better at drawing)

[night tusk]

When you say abilities might get broken, how much do you anticipate the director having to rework?

[simple nova]

We're full switching the data paths as part of this rework so any of the power roll stuff will be wiped to defaults

[night tusk]

so full rework pretty much?

[simple nova]

The targeting stuff will stay the same at least

but yeah the big central part is a full rework

[sleek furnace]

For some reason with 4 level 1 heroes with no victories I'm getting 10 malice when I start combat. Isn't that too high?

[high gale]

Hi everyone. I'm pretty sure someone talked about this but I can't open the character sheets . Do I have to meddle with something?

[obtuse gorge]

@simple nova if i wanted to contribute, do you have any suggestions where to start? i've read the contribution doc and i'm poking around the repo

[simple nova]

Guessing module interference

[simple nova]

I think there's a bug ticket floating at the top of the issue list. Try that out just so you can get used to the process

Also join the League server, we have a draw steel chat

[high gale]

I'll deactivate all modules and see what went wrong. Thanks

[simple nova]

Screenshot of console error can also help

[obtuse gorge]

what's the league server?

[simple nova]

https://discord.gg/rNzh6U2qMG

[high gale]

Tonight I'll turn on the laptop and see

[obtuse gorge]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/453 this one i assume?

[simple nova]

Yeah

[celest dock]

My guess would be condition lab. We've seen that one cause similar issues.

[jaunty dirge]

This is the same issue I’ve had and Condition Lab and Triggler were the issue

[whole hawk]

I notice that triggers I add to triggered abilities don't display anywhere. That fixed in 0.7?

[celest dock]

Yep!

[whole hawk]

Also, will it add support for variable spend-costs? Coat the Blade lets you spend any amount.

[celest dock]

Not yet

[whole hawk]

I see. Don't suppose anyone's made a macro to deduct a variable amount of a heroic resource from a player, then?

[whole hawk]

Any plan to show a player's total disengage bonus in the move section in 0.7?

[short wadi]

What a lil guy.

I believe it does if I remember correctly.

[simple nova]

file a ticket

I don't think we have a disengage-bonus type thing

[wintry peak]

will the system break if we update to v13?

[whole hawk]

Most modules will, from what I gather - it's been out for a little over a week

Takes time for modders to catch up

Theeere we go. Using exclusively white icons for enemy tokens lets me use TMFX to color them for minion squads.

Now I gotta remember or figure out how to get them operating off a single HP pool..

Unless I'm stupid, clicking the free strike button populates this error, even though Padow is clearly selected below.

[celest dock]

They need to be targeted instead of selected

[whole hawk]

Ah, I see it now.

[celest dock]

If you use the target tool in the right control menu, or hover the token an hit T

[simple nova]

Yes, the 0.6.2 system is incompatible

[night tusk]

I filed a ticket for that, so it should be worked on eventually

[night tusk]

As I mentioned before, watch AmbyNavy's video and see how she's using the module "bar brawl" to make minion stamina pools easy to manage (do not install "conditions & Triggers"):

https://youtu.be/ahpDUfUqV6Y

[night tusk]

Install the module "Find the Culprit", that makes it super easy to find module interference

[last orbit]

Hello all. I'm dusting off my several-years-out-of-date coding knowledge in the hopes of helping out with the foundry system development. I'm not entirely convinced yet, that I can meaningfully contribute. Just trying to get a local system up and running, including development tool I have no experience with.
Anyway, would you say I'm better off updating to foundry v13 stable, and going from the development branch?

[celest dock]

I'd probably recommend setting up a Node install for development that is separate from your play installation. You can also join the League discord and join us in the draw steel dev channel! https://discord.gg/YKy4R9UQ

[last orbit]

Thanks for the link. I answered by own question about v13, but the safety of a separate development installation is sound advice.

[simple nova]

the Windows Portable Install is also pretty solid if you prefer the electron app

[lofty copper]

probably could do with a wording adjustment on the error msg

[sleek furnace]

I haven't had time to test this but is there any built-in functionality for persistence in the v6 version?

[eager helm]

not to my knowledge

[simple nova]

yeah, and not yet implemented even for 0.7. Still trying to figure out how to make an extensible framework for all of these special cases

[acoustic crypt]

Am I crazy, or is the Strategy skill not in the Foundry module?

[eager helm]

the system is missing a few skills, yeah

[acoustic crypt]

Okay good to know.

[simple nova]

I don't think a ticket ever got made to fix that?

[simple nova]

If you could make a list. I know part of the issue is the packets were not internally consistent on what skills to include

[acoustic crypt]

Is there a way to get it to add my characteristic bonus to a roll when I click on that characteristic to roll it? Like right now, I click Might +2 on my character sheet, it brings up the dialogue box about banes and edges, I click roll, it rolls the dice, and reports only the result of the dice in chat, it doesn't add the +2 for Might. Am I doing something wrong or is that not a function at this time?

[simple nova]

I think there's just a bug, it's fixed in 0.7 which will be available tomorrow

[acoustic crypt]

Oh cool, thanks.

[simple nova]

Coming later today...

[jaunty dirge]

Awesome be right in time for my game next week!

Thank you for all the hard work!

[eager helm]

just in time for tomorrow's session!

[simple nova]

Play mode of the revised Abilities

Edit mode

Two of the "Power Roll Effect" sheets

Abilities received a lot of breaking changes, but I'm much more confident in the current setup

Grouping primarily by what something does then tier has felt much easier in practice

Also wow what a lift

[sleek furnace]

Is it safe to assume we will need to fix every ability if we want to upgrade a current game?

Also, reading through the release notes. Sounds awesome good job! 🙌

I spent so much time faking groups with duplicating monsters and changing token borders. 😂

[celest dock]

Yeah, there's no migration of the old structure to the new, so power roll tier effects will entirely have to be redone unfortunately.

[simple nova]

yeah downside of alpha is we aren't going to provide migration guarantees

[sleek furnace]

No worries. At least I only made two heros and the first 3 fights so it's not that much to redo. Every bullet point I read gets me more hyped for this version.

[simple nova]

Sneaking in just under the line - moving both the play/edit mode & the "edit source info" buttons into the header

[sleek furnace]

How do the groups function? Do they change how the minions/monsters look like on the map?

[celest dock]

You set a combatant group in the combat tracker and then add the monsters/minions. If it has minions, then the minions share stamina. Damaging one, damages the pool.

[simple nova]

They're constrained to the combat tracker. You can create them from the action menu

[celest dock]

To your other question, there's no change to their appearance on the map.

[chilly ridge]

Is there a way to add line breaks in the effect of an ability?

[simple nova]

The 0.7 release has split the effect into two full rich text editors

[chilly ridge]

oh sweet

I should have just used my eyes

[sleek furnace]

I may hold off on upgrading then. If I can't tell what token is in which group while just looking at the map I think it would be hard to run. Having something like automatic border change would be great. Sorry if that sounds harsh. You're doing a great job and appreciate your work!

[simple nova]

File a feature request

But also, if you hover a given combatant it will highlight their token

[celest dock]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/26

We have one

[simple nova]

Full notes here, should now be easily available from the in-app update logic

[acoustic crypt]

Awesome job, thanks!

[night tusk]

Coming from the beginning when the system was a Manuel install, how do I now change to the new system version?

[simple nova]

Since you've got an old build of 0.7 already you can "just" uninstall then reinstall

[eager helm]

might be just me but the new version seems a bit...
buggy?

prob a v13 issue

ill wait till more of my modules are updated

[simple nova]

could you describe the behavior? But yeah we can't provide guarantees any modules are functional

[eager helm]

90% sure its my other modules causing issues

[simple nova]

anything that touches the UI, which is... basically every module, is going to struggle with the UI overhaul

[eager helm]

tho i think the main thing is when the text comes up in a power roll when u add a characteristic comes up, it still pops up with X+@chr

[simple nova]

my personal experience is adapting wasn't too bad but you do need to make changes

ah yeah for that file a ticket

[eager helm]

will do, once i get home

[short wadi]

I'm hoping whatever is going on with dice so nice gets resolved in an update. Fine on ability power rolls, but tests cause it to roll double the dice (they roll the same numbers, just a visual thing)

[simple nova]

File a bug report

[short wadi]

For DSN or DS system? I assumed it was just because DSN wasn't updated for v13 or something

[whole hawk]

Haven't checked back here in a bit - we get an update?

Ah. We did. Fabulous.

Thankfully I'm pretty module-lite so hopefully I don't encounter any problems, haha

[simple nova]

system and then I can investigate if it's just a DSN issue

[whole hawk]

0.7 is still meant to be used with v12.331, right?

[simple nova]

No. 0.7 is v13 exclusive

[whole hawk]

Gotcha.

[whole hawk]

Strangely, I didn't see a 'malice' counter on this until after I'd clicked 'Give Token'

The popup menu also doesn't display a button to manually add malice - that normal?

[sleek furnace]

Seems wierd that players can see the squad health in the combat tracker

[eager helm]

why is that weird?

[sleek furnace]

spoils how much life the minions have. I'd rather they learn by killing

would be nice if it showed the number of minions rather than the stamina

[simple nova]

🎫

[sullen nest]

Should I be expecting applied effects on power rolls to do anything besides display their "display" value

[simple nova]

Not yet

On the shorter list of things I want to do though

[sullen nest]

Is there designs on making some sort of common set of effects? It's weird to create effects for say bleeding for every single ability that applies bleeding.

[simple nova]

Yeah, definitely want to improve that

[night tusk]

just started exploring how the new abilities work. Aside from my begrudgement over the fact I will have to redo every single ability in the game so far, I am so amazed by how they work. It looks so slick!

Great job guys

[eager helm]

ill prob end up digging into it next arc for my campaign, i think its wanting me to re-do maps as well (or at least token placements) which is a pain currently

this isnt an issue with the system i think but quick status select doesnt work with it

[whole elm]

Is there any documentation on hero tokens? Trying to figure out how to spend & set them. Seems set to 5 even after reset (I have 3 players) and while I saw "Added ways to spend hero tokens from the character sheet" in the release notes, I'm not seeing anything obvious in the character sheet corresponding to this.

[celest dock]

Looks like the reset is defaulting to the number of non-gm users. As far as spending them, clicking surges and stamina on the sheet should generate prompts for spending HT to gain those resources.

[whole elm]

defaulting to the number of non-gm users.
Yes, litterally just figured that out ty.

Hm. Let me look for surges & stamina.

[celest dock]

On the stats tab at the top.

[whole elm]

Got it! ty

[eager helm]

is make peace with your good a free manuever or manuever? the book says the former but the ability compendium module says the latter

[simple nova]

odds are the ability compendium is in error, always go by the book

when we integrate compendiums into the system we'll be very rigorous on data

One thing I think we're in a position to do now is have the basic maneuvers in a compendium that get auto-added to new characters

[simple nova]

Glad you like it, I think it was worth delaying 0.7 to get them right

[jaunty dirge]

Little confusing as the system is showing as up to date and yet isn't? No update available. Wondering if this is a Mac thing

[night tusk]

Was similar for me after upgrading to V13. Somehow it worked to close the page and then reload 🤷🏻 afterwards it recognises that the system was not up to date and could be upgraded

[jaunty dirge]

Thanks, sadly did not work for me but I'll keep trying

[simple nova]

have you tried uninstalling then reinstalling?

[sullen nest]

First pass at updating compendium abilities available now:

https://github.com/rmarone/draw-steel-abilities/releases/download/1.3.0/module.json

[simple nova]

if you want to wrap up the basic maneuvers would be happy to take that as a system compendium contribution

[night tusk]

What do you mean when you're saying "first pass"
What kind of errors can be expected?

[night tusk]

I have the same issue and can't get the malice display to work properly. Anything I should consider?

[simple nova]

it should be synched to the same displaly on the NPC sheets, definitely open that the bottom left should also have controls to adjust malice

but yeah @sullen nest I would be happy to take some of the compendium work to help complete https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/56

[night tusk]

It is synced if I get it to display... But that is already an obstacle that I have yet to figure out how to reliably reproduce

Does malice reset to zero at the end of combat?

I'll add a ticket for the malice adjustment menu in the display 🎫

[simple nova]

malice does reset to 0 at the end of combat IIRC

[eager helm]

does the combat tracker show up for others?

trying to figure out if i have a module enabled and its messing it up or not

[simple nova]

probs a module not happy with the v13 ui overhaul

[eager helm]

😔 gotta wait to update

sorry for the annoying question again but im trying to get drag ruler to work in foundry (v12/0.6.2 etc...) and the system.movement.walk isnt working, any help?

[simple nova]

not sure if that's not working for you

[jaunty dirge]

I haven't yet as I am always nervous about how much I might lose in the process, its on my list if the update keeps failing to show

[night tusk]

get the module Find the Culprit! It helps immensely to find bad module interactions quickly

[simple nova]

Uninstalling the system won't lose you anything unless you were unlocking and editing the system compendiums, it's intentionally kept separate from your world data

[jaunty dirge]

Marvellous! That’s great to know

[jaunty dirge]

Worked perfectly and am now able to explore the new stuff thank you so much as ever!

[sullen nest]

I don’t have free strikes and basic maneuvers yet 🙂 was on my todo

[sullen nest]

I haven’t gone through and checked things have parsed correctly. I’d say it’s likely 70% right at this point, just wanted to get something out for the new system. Also the applied effects aren’t integrated in the system as they would be if you did it manually. Chaos was saying they don’t mechanically do anything yet and that’s an area of potential future change.
There are some places where I ought to use some of the new macro things for display and am not yet. Etc.

[night tusk]

I saw so far it only includes level 1 abilities, but nothing of level 2 or 3?

Also, in the Censor abilities, where does the edicts come from? I have searched my document, but can't find anything about them?

[sleek furnace]

how should I update the compendium?

[azure niche]

Is there a reason the compendium doesn't have ancestries and classes and cultures and careers?

[simple nova]

Advancements aren't in yet

so they wouldn't really do anything

both the book and the system are in alpha stages don't expect everything to be in

[azure niche]

what are advancements

[eager helm]

just levelling up

[azure niche]

ah right

[simple nova]

Broadly, a consistent framework for picking skills, languages, abilities, and features

[night tusk]

I had sent had a chance yet to play around with the initiative group system.

• How does it work?
• What do I - the director - need to do to make it work?
• How easy is it to assign a new squad captain mid combat (assign other initiative combatant to the initiative group)?

[night tusk]

Does the Story text of abilties serve any purpose anymore? it is not getting displayed for me at all if I view the ability or roll it. Should it be displayed? 🎫

[simple nova]

the three dot menu in the combat tracker has a "Create Combatant Group" option

[simple nova]

I think it's supposed to stick in the flavor and the description

[celest dock]

To your captain question, you can drag and drop in the tracker. So just dragging a non minion into a minion squad should default them to the captain. You may have to remove the old captain though!

[night tusk]

thanks

[jaunty dirge]

Anyone have any idea what is going on here. I updated (twice now) with unistall then install and in both cases this error turns up and the system is reverted to 0.6

[jaunty dirge]

Not sure if it is helpful extra info but The Forge is showing only the older version...

Has anyone else encountered this/am I missing something obvious like a feature I forget to enable on Foundry/The Forge.

[acoustic crypt]

Same for me

[tidal marsh]

can update the desktop version and import it again iirc

[jaunty dirge]

Mac user so for my systems sake I need to run in chrome. It’s very odd to see them not simultaneously update.

[simple nova]

OK, so everyone who's struggling to go to 0.7 is on the Forge?

[simple nova]

your foundry is on v13, right?

[jaunty dirge]

It is yup. It seems to be a forge issue

[simple nova]

OK, I guess I'll shoot them an email

[tidal marsh]

Feeling super dumb but whenever I try and an ability with a power it doesnt go into chat. but get the notification of a new message. A reload then makes them appear. Any idea whats going on?

[simple nova]

issues with scrolling to bottom, maybe?

[tidal marsh]

Typing and sending to chat works fine. Just anything with a power roll isn't. And after a refresh they will be where it should have been

[simple nova]

OK, and have you been able to replicate this behavior with all modules disabled?

[tidal marsh]

See, that would have been a smart thing to try

resolved it was one of them messing it up. cheers

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25860033

[sullen nest]

Compendium may be closer to like 60% definitely needs me to put out another revision

[tidal marsh]

You data entry people are heroes

[sleek furnace]

I'm trying to create a journal page where players can see every ability they can do. I hate how Foundry puts everything in tabs AND minimized so you can't actually see details. I'm using the macros generated when you drag an ability to the hotbar inside the journal pages so players just need to hit the button. I plan to have separate pages for standard actions/maneuvers and other stuff.

Which do you prefer the formated text or just snapshots?

[simple nova]

Have you tried using the @Embed enricher?

[sleek furnace]

Never heard of it, I'll check it out.

[simple nova]

Same format as the @UUID link just switch that initial text for @Embed

It's missing story text in 0.7 but that'll be fixed in 0.7.1

[sullen nest]

My players all agree, having the enter key on their character sheet switch to edit mode is really annoying. It's really natural to, when you have to change your stamina, hit enter when you are done, which then hides the stamina from you.

[simple nova]

That is fascinating behavior and not at all intended lol

yeah 100% replication

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues could you write a bug report

will address in 0.7.1

[night tusk]

is there a way to address @level or something for damage like for example5+@level?

can't find anything in the roll data

[simple nova]

Don't think so currently, everything I remember seeing cared about Echelon so that got a special case in the roll data. File a ticket and reference what feature uses it

[whole hawk]

We already have a 🎫 requesting a manual Malice control?

If not, I'll create one

[jaunty dirge]

@simple nova In an attempt to be useful this is the console output after I hit a shiny new issue where I cannot even install the new system, or any draw steel into v13 foundry. If I can offer any more info please feel free to reach out, and again thanks for the efforts and work!

[simple nova]

How are you hosted?

And did you do a clean install?

[jaunty dirge]

Through the forge and on Google chrome

Yup have done two uninstalls and install the new 0.7. First reverted to old version by the next time I opened it and this time I ended up with no draw steel at all and can’t install

[simple nova]

Yeah the consistent throughline has been the forge. I'll ping them again

[jaunty dirge]

Pretty sure this is related to the issue with the forge showing only the old version mentioned above by me.

Much appreciated!

[simple nova]

This is unfortunately in the bucket of things I don't have direct control over. It's not the first time the Forge has caused problems, I basically recommend any other hosting method

[jaunty dirge]

If you know a good one that doesn’t use my own machine I’m happy to take a look but sadly I’m not in a position to have a good enough rig to host all the stuff I need “at home”

[simple nova]

Molten is much less aggressive about replacing the basic foundry functionality

[jaunty dirge]

Will take a look. Thanks

[simple nova]

@jaunty dirge got a reply

also, apparently the prior issues are because Forge was not really v13 compatible

[jaunty dirge]

Many thanks. Once life cuts me some time to do so I’ll take a look at options. Shame really as had no forge issues until now

[night tusk]

How are you tracking with tickets

• #260 (https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/260)
• #342 (https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/342)
• #371 (https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues/371)

Are those planned for some time within 0.7 or rather 0.8 or later?

[short wadi]

Usually tickets will go into milestones from what I understand. Found in the issues tab.

They don't appear to be added to any atm

[simple nova]

Correct - there are many tickets in the repository, and for small features like that it's kinda up to whenever someone wants to grab something and implement it

My personal priorities are

• bug tickets
• big feature planning

I spent a lot of time on DS the last few weeks and so am focusing just on those mission-critical operations

But tickets are fully open to community devs who want to take initiative and do it

a good example is I yesterday I merged in some flanking automation

next time I have time for serious feature dev I'm going to tackle reworking the Effects tab

there's a bunch I want to do there

[lone minnow]

Thanks for all the work you and others have done on this, @simple nova. From someone who doesn’t have much of any coding knowledge, it’s very, very appreciated.

My players and I have spent a lot of time invested in learning Foundry. While the official Codex software is looking slick, I’m not sure we’d want to jump ship yet, and it’s not ready. You and the other devs on this (free!) system are making it a lot easier for me to start working on a campaign and for my players to start playing sooner rather than later!

[wintry peak]

any way to manually modify hero tokens? Im playing a west marches game and it automatically resets it to the number of players instead of the players in the current scene
Same question for malice, cause it's also counting all heroes haha

[simple nova]

right click on the display in the bottom left

that at least gives hero tokens

can definitely expand the manual controls

seems like time for more settings

worth noting for malice it checks the heroes in the combat

so just don't add non-relevant heroes to the combat

[night tusk]

That's absolutely fair, I just wanted to ask about them because my players keep bugging me about those things 😂😅

I'm more than happy to keep on writing the compendium entries, I just need info what you guys want in there.

Speaking of which, would you be happy of I share a Google doc with the system automations that we merged the other day? Just so people can have a read? I know finaljas would be keen

[simple nova]

I can just run the update wiki action

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/System-Automations

[whole hawk]

Oh, good, a lot of my modules got updates for V13.

[whole hawk]

I didn't see this (or at least, anything that was written like this) in the open tickets, so I presume I'm good to go ahead and open one

[simple nova]

yeah go for it

[whole hawk]

Donezo. #515.

[night tusk]

For the purpose of writing more compendium/wiki pages would you mind to send the invite again, so I can ask the group rather than trying to hit up individuals all the time? 🙂

[night tusk]

awsome, thanks!

Hey @eager helm here is a summary of in game automations 🙂

[eager helm]

dope, this is for 0.7 right?

[night tusk]

yes

[eager helm]

unfortunately im on not on 0.7

[simple nova]

https://discord.com/channels/732325252788387980/1345535794554601553 channel link for the dev chat

@night tusk if you're in the League server use that

[whole hawk]

caught a typo, haha

[night tusk]

I am not, hence why I was asking for a new invite

[night tusk]

damnit

[night tusk]

A lot works on 0.6.2 already. Not everything, but a lot. I wrote it while on 0.6.2 and tested most of it myself to make sure it works

[eager helm]

dope

[night tusk]

some things like hero tokens and the malice display obviously don't work as described on 0.6.2, but for example I think all the mentioned status effect automations work

[whole hawk]

Could be I just don't remember the rules, but the captain's HP isn't counted as part of the squad's - 4, 3, and 4 for the Shade, Skeleton, and Claw.

Is it only the minions' hp that's pooled together and the captain has its own?

Wait, I think I'm remembering the rules saying just that

[eager helm]

yeah, captains have their own action econ and stamina

[night tusk]

the only purpose of captains is to give Minions their bonus, and act on the same initiative turn, but otherwise they are independent

[whole hawk]

I see.

[whole hawk]

Wish I could slap on a little crown icon on the token or something to denote a captain.

I know it says it in the turn tracker, but it'd be neat

Maybe some module accomplishes this

[eager helm]

i have it set up as a special status

https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1372317037870972958

[simple nova]

yeah there's definitely more room to organize how the combat tracker relates to the tokens

[acoustic crypt]

Anyone know a module that works with Draw Steel system that lets you add additional markers onto tokens? Like colored dots, or numbers, or other little icons besides the ones we have for conditions?

[wraith warren]

I haven't tried it with the DS system, but https://foundryvtt.com/packages/token-color-marker/ has been updated for v13

[night tusk]

Can confirm, token colour merker works great for its intended purpose

[sleek furnace]

For groups I actually have different actors with colored borders. So, goblin warrior A, goblin warrior B. That way I can see their border color in the battle tracker and they are very apparently different on the battle map.

Maybe at lunch I'll post a screen shot of it.

[short wadi]

I use token color marker with custom markers for group numbers I made. Token border is unit type. (yellow minion, orange standard, red leader, solo purple, etc)

[acoustic crypt]

Thanks

[acoustic crypt]

Yes, I just tried it, this is perfect!

[short wadi]

Important to know, you can use custom images instead of a colour. So if there are any markers you wanna use that you don't wanna go through adding as conditions, great place to add em.

Like a crown or something for example for a captain.

[simple nova]

Got an update on the Forge @jaunty dirge

[jaunty dirge]

Yup can confirm it’s updated and working. Excellent news and again huge thanks! 🙏

[sleek furnace]

This is what my setup looks like with duplicate actors.

[eager helm]

i use the icons from the icon system module which have these little different colored diamonds to denote little effects that dont have a status

they look like this

just in a buncha different colors

[sullen nest]

New compendium updated, now with significantly more working right:
https://github.com/rmarone/draw-steel-abilities/releases/download/1.3.1/module.json

Adds Basic abilities (thanks @night tusk) and level 2 and 3 abilities, alongside fixing most of the bugs I could find

[simple nova]

the basic abilities are good, mind if I grab those for the system so we can start doing _preCreate stuff for Characters?

[sullen nest]

I don't mind at all

[night tusk]

Neither do I 😜

[jaunty dirge]

Nice! Old bloke question but how do I import this into a hosted game?

[crimson olive]

Are you using forge? https://www.reddit.com/r/ForgeVTT/comments/1beb142/install_module_via_manifest_url/

Copy that url, put it in where the instructions above tell you to, enable the module

Then it should show up in your compendium when the table is up

[jaunty dirge]

Yes I am and thank you for the answer! Much appreciated

[crimson olive]

Have fun man

[sleek furnace]

Here's my setup for tonight, maybe.... I ended up putting a bunch of notes for my player on the map, they can only see their class and generic stuff. I also basically made an encounter sheet to run off of instead of having to get into the actors themselves.

[simple nova]

Did you try the @Embed enricher?

[sleek furnace]

I did, thanks for the tip. I may use it in the future, but I checked with my players and they preferred the format from the screenshots. It's also more compact and the screenshots scale when you mess with the window size which is nice.

[jaunty dirge]

@sullen nest I could not love you more for the effort you have made in this compendium. Installed and going to save me an insane amount of time! Just thanks.

[simple nova]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/releases/tag/release-0.7.1 new release

[sleek furnace]

I play tonight! How dare you! 😋 maybe next week! Thanks for the hard work.

[sullen nest]

Haven’t run a session yet, but 0.7.1 installed clean and nothing obvious broke

[simple nova]

Relatively small set of changes, well do our best to keep experimental & breaking changes to the bigger version increments

But this was important to cover stuff like the edit mode on submit bug

[sleek furnace]

I haven't used targeting before, when I try it against a goblin this came up. Why is there a goblin section?

Also, why does apply damage not do it to the target?

[celest dock]

If you're targeting multiple enemies, it allows you to have different banes/edges per enemy. But there are banes/edges that happen regardless of enemy (global)

[simple nova]

Apply damage is to the selected token for ownership reasons

[sleek furnace]

How does the automated edges on flanking work?

NVM I think I got it, problems due to testing all as the director

[celest dock]

Yeah, I keep messing myself up while testing it several times while implementing it and was like "why isn't this working".

[sleek furnace]

I should be opening a window as a player but it's too late at night to have that energy. I think I'm going to bed. lol

Wow taunted thing is neat! that's it for me bed time.

[wind kite]

Hey there quick basic question. I'm trying to figure out active effects. But somehow cannot make it work. What am I doing wrong here?

[wind kite]

Figured it must be damage.immunities.damage ... Unfortunately it still doesn't work

[eager helm]

should be system.damage.immunities.corruption

[wind kite]

That worked, thanks 🙂

[night tusk]

Roll data like that can be found in the system journals compendium

There is a chapter for roll data and I'm working on the rest

[wind kite]

this seems not to work

[celest dock]

Remove the @.

So yours should be system.stamina.max.

[wind kite]

That works 🙂

Did anyone already tried to automate heroic ressource generation per turn?

[celest dock]

Should already be happening

Does your class have the Gain Per Turn set on the Details tab?

[wind kite]

I have to admit I did not see that. Thanks 🙂

[celest dock]

Let me know if it works once that's set!

[short wadi]

It does for malice too! Its great

Anyone know a good module for tracking party stuffs that is v13 compat?

Something like a monks tokenbar

[wind kite]

Yes it works, though the max stamina value does not change when set in class details.

[celest dock]

Yeah, that's not set up yet. I think stuff like that will be a focus for 0.8

[wind kite]

Gotcha, thanks 🙂

[short wadi]

Wondering if we have ways to check for line of effect and checking for flanking.

I wonder if a wall type or configuration in the wall setting would allow for walling to add banes for targets with cover?

[wind kite]

Any idea how to configure stability reduced by 2 (EoT)

[celest dock]

The active effect key would be system.combat.stability

[wind kite]

ahh just realized I have to create the applied effect first. Thanks 🙂

mhhh still can't get the effect on the target

[simple nova]

There's not a framework for that yet

[night tusk]

The @ values are to be used in abilities and the like.

For example if you set up an ability that deals damage depending on your level, the damage calculations would be x + @level

However if you want to set up an active effect that addresses something like immunity, then it goes without the @ like the others explained to you

[pearl belfry]

I'm sure this is user error but I'm just starting to learn Foundry. When I try to install this, it fails and gives the error "unable to load valid system manifest data". Do you have any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

[faint holly]

Hello, is there a compendium for ancestry abilities like dragon breath? Thanks for your work btw.

[sullen nest]

I’ll add ancestry abilities to the todo list, rather low priority though

Gotta fix monster abilities, triggered actions, figure out why some abilities aren’t coming through(conduit triggered actions), possibly convert applied effects to true effects, then I may get around to ancestry abilities

[simple nova]

How are you hosted?

[pearl belfry]

Self hosted

[simple nova]

Okay, and how did you try to install? Manual or from the in-client system browser?

[simple nova]

And what Foundry version

[pearl belfry]

I tried both on several versions of the system, same error all around

[pearl belfry]

Realized it's out of date, updating to the latest and will try again

Yeah that was the problem, everything works great now

[simple nova]

Yeah the minimum upped to v13 with 0.7

[pearl belfry]

Thanks for the help and for making this system work

[eager helm]

hey for levelled treasures is there a way to apply the damage bonus without manually adjusting each damage value on the power roll?

[simple nova]

I think there's an AE path

[eager helm]

whats that?

[simple nova]

Active Effects

[eager helm]

ive been using the resource paths to see for attributes

is there an attribute for damage bonuses?

[simple nova]

system.abilityBonuses.melee.damage.tier1

Should work

[eager helm]

dope

it says tier 1, would that apply for every tier or should i make one for each result?

[simple nova]

One for each result

[eager helm]

makes sense

thanks

[simple nova]

The alternative to melee is ranged

[eager helm]

what about for levelled armor?

actually no i can figure this one out

nvm

so the kit shows one bonus (+1/1/5, which im assuming is factoring in the effect) but the ability still doesnt factor this in

[simple nova]

Try rolling

[eager helm]

this is what the result looks like

in the meantime i just added these values onto the kit

[wind kite]

Got it, thanks.

[wind kite]

Ohhh that's very helpful, thank you very much 🙂

[night tusk]

Addendum: of you want use a roll data path in an active effect it needs to be system.[roll data address] is that correct?

Like damage.immunities.fire wouldn't work, but system.damage.immunities.fire would?

[simple nova]

Generally yeah

[still smelt]

Howdy folks! So, friend got us to try Foundry for a different game, and I'm sad to admit I found it slicker than I was expecting, coming from Fantasy Grounds. I got a copy that I was curious to try for Draw Steel. I'm still getting some things setup, but outside the core game system, is there a list of standard/useful modules for use for Draw Steel?

[simple nova]

People have various setups, with the system now on v13 s lot of modules haven't fully caught up. Try just the base system and then you can mix in modules

But stuff like initiative is fully covered by the system

[still smelt]

Thanks! I'm trying to setup a combat test right now; just myself. Its a little unclear though if I have the initative setup right. I'm not sure if there is another system for tracking it - this is what I"m looking at -

[simple nova]

yeah that's the basics of it - you can also create combatant groups from the three dot menu in the top right

[still smelt]

also: It seems when I apply damage, it goes to the token that is selected, not the one that is targeted

[simple nova]

correct, because foundry's permission structure. It makes more sense as a player

Players can only select and update themselves

[still smelt]

Hmm, ok. Will probably take a bit more testing. Is there anyway it tracks triggered actions by the way? (Also, thanks for answering questions :D)

[simple nova]

No, there's no tracking for triggered actions currently

[still smelt]

Hmm, ok. I wonder if I can use a status condition for that in a pinch - can you make custom ones?

[simple nova]

not easily

we honestly just need to make some part of the character sheet for tracking these triggers

but it's a hard UI problem when you've got both basic stuff like the Censor and then the nightmare that is the Troubador

[still smelt]

Oh absolutely. I thin the main thing I just was curious is if there was a way to see if a character had used their triggered action or not - just to make sure nothing was missed

[simple nova]

yeah early days of the system, I figure eventually we'll do it but it's lower priority than some of the other stuff

the BIG thing we're working on is advancements

[still smelt]

Advancements in what way, if I may ask?

[simple nova]

When you add an ancestry/culture/class/etc. to your sheet it should automatically grant you relevant features & abilities and prompt you to make any choices

same with leveling up

[still smelt]

Aaah, ok

Yeah, that makes sense.

Oh, small question, but what does the little sword icon mean (I presume the person is how much you've moved)

[simple nova]

free strikes provoked

just a count of them, not the damage value

[still smelt]

ah, ok. cool. I saw a free strike button on a monster, but when I click it, regardless of who is selected, it didn't apply damage

do I just do that manually?

[simple nova]

I think free strikes are target-based because they're for the GM?

[still smelt]

Doesn't seem like it does anything. War Dog selected, PC targeted, I press the button (nothing happens)

[simple nova]

I'll investigate later

[still smelt]

🫡 Hope I'm helping! That's probably enough questions for now anyways. Appreciate the info!

[night tusk]

Important to note about free strikes, AFAIK there is no indication that they have been used, no chat message or otherwise, but they should subtract the respective stamina from the target automatically. So the only thing "happening" should be the PC's stamina being reduced by 7

[still smelt]

Hi all. Doing one more test here - I got some minions and PC I'm trying out, and just want to verify a couple things:

1. I've got minions in a squad - but do I understand correctly that Foundry won't tell me how many minions I get rid of, I just have to mark them manually based on the math?
2. When a player has taken their turn, is there a way for them to indicate they've gone other than clicking the little Act Button?

[simple nova]

1. Yes, especially since in the more recent packets they've adjusted the rules on how you can remove minions
2. Not really, and I couldn't come up with something else clever since that's also just a rule running Draw Steel at the table

normally Foundry lets players move to the next, but the game can't know who's supposed to go next

[eager helm]

is there a way to auto-set tier, like for make peace with ur god or something like star power?

[short wadi]

I don't believe so. Would be nice for their to perhaps some ability to do it in the dialogue window when rolling

[still smelt]

Oh, I was also going to ask - is there a way to assign flat damage (such as from a surge, or maybe abilities that are keyed to a characteristic?)

[short wadi]

Funny enough, I think my last reply would answer that one as well XD

Option to consume surges for damage or potency upgrade. But... I think that stuff is decided after rolling now that I think about it

Perhaps chat message interactions. Since you're largely gonna wanna roll Abilities to see if they crit anyways, even when guaranteed results are conferred from other effects

[simple nova]

I think there's a ticket for this already but it's on the radar

[still smelt]

Oh, just realized - is there no spot for a trait for minions when they have a captain?

[simple nova]

Not currently

[still smelt]

One other question, but does anyone have any compendiums of the monsters or class abilities. Just checking before I start entering stuff in manually

[eager helm]

theres ones for both

u can scroll up and find em, i forget if theyre pinned

[still smelt]

Lifesaver! That's a lot of time saved. Thanks @eager helm

[eager helm]

i live to serve

[night tusk]

Notes for that compendium:

• monster abilities need the power roll bonus manually entered
• monster abilities don't have anything written in the "Effects" sections.
• best to always double check with the document that everything is correct

The compendium is a big time saver, but don't use it as is without double-checking

[eager helm]

this might just be the way the module is set up but cuz setting characteristics to "0" sets it to a default value, it doesnt return anything in my tooltip alt config

[night tusk]

what do you mean?

[eager helm]

i have a tooltip alt config set up that shows the characteristics for an actor when you mouse over them

[night tusk]

ah

[eager helm]

because "0" is the default value for all characteristics

if u type in "0" in an actors stats

it thinks ur just typing in the default or something

which i think fucks with the config, so it doesnt show that the stat is zero

[night tusk]

I thought you meant relating to the abilities module, this is a question for Chaos or Verrett

[eager helm]

fair

[night tusk]

Does anybody else have to scroll the chat window to see new messages/Ability cards, vs not having to do that before?

Is that a foundry v13 thing or is that a system problem?

I swear it used to automatically show the most recent message in the chat window

[simple nova]

We probably need to take another look at how we handle those but basically the issue is that we add most of the chat message content in a hook after the actual message gets inserted to the chat log

[short wadi]

I've noticed v13 chat is buggy in general. The timestamps are wacky

[simple nova]

Yeah, there's some mix of core and system stuff happening

[short wadi]

Ah gotcha. We noticed it in another session with another system. Must if been a similar quirk

[eager helm]

also bumping this one for visability

[simple nova]

screenshot?

[eager helm]

so for instance ill have a stat array like this

when i use the tooltip alt config it pops up like this (only one of the 0s shows)

if theres more than one 0 in the stat input, only one of them shows

my config is set to return the value of characteristics.might.value for instance

so somehow "0" isnt a valid value, i assume because its a "default" or something

idk if this is inherent to the TTA config and i needa change it, or if the attribute pathing has changed in v0.7

[simple nova]

OK, so bad module interaction. My guess is that it's trying to only show "truthy" values

and as a fun fact of Javascript, 0 is falsy, not truthy

I am not sure there is much I can do on the system end, 0 is in fact the correct value of the characteristic

is it this module? https://foundryvtt.com/packages/token-tooltip-alt

[simple nova]

I would play around with the different config options to see if you can make it work, seems like the module is customizable. I'm surprised they dont' have a better way to handle relevant 0 values

[eager helm]

oh okay if its just a bad interaction my fault

sorry for buggin ya bout this

[simple nova]

np

[eager helm]

im not super knowledgable about stuff like this so ill do some digging

[simple nova]

would definitely ask around in the modules channel on the main foundry server

https://discord.com/channels/170995199584108546/722566083499786352

[eager helm]

will do

[simple nova]

like, we can't be the only system where there are values that are relevant at 0

[celest dock]

I think it might be us actually. I'll hit you up in the dev channel to discuss.

[whole hawk]

Hey, gang. Did I miss anything?

[simple nova]

0.7 dropped a bit ago, 0.7.1 is the latest. Both require v13

We've got an 0.7.2 milestone lined up with more bug fixes. Working on 0.8 in the background which will have Advancements

[eager helm]

hey, any update on this? just wanna know if its system-side or module-side before i put any work into fixing it

[still smelt]

Random small thought, but I noticed that there is a movement history - its an awesome feature. However - is there an option to add forced movement to that - possibly in a way that would ignore the normal mocement? and/or shifts from abilities?

[simple nova]

System side, should be fixed in 0.7.2

[simple nova]

Not at the moment. Improving the handling of forced movement is on our radar, but it's also more of a luxury feature while we focus on meat & potatoes stuff

[eager helm]

ur the goat

[fading elbow]

Im trying to create a character and cant understand where i need to write his ancestry traits. Any guidlines?

upd. understood its effect section

[still smelt]

Question for folks, but are their any other common modules that work with the Draw Steel system currently that people recommend?

[night tusk]

Personally I use "Token Colour Marker" to discern between combat groups of enemies.

Otherwise due to V13 still being relatively new, a lot of modules I would recommend otherwise simply don't work yet 😅

[still smelt]

Ah, good to know!

[eager helm]

bar brawl is a must have for me

combat booster too

i forget if drag ruler is integrated into the system now or not

[simple nova]

it is

[eager helm]

and i use dice try + dice so nice on everything now

is there currently a ticket or something for having damage display as either floating text on the actor or in the chat?

cuz theres a lil lack of feedback on taking damage as it is

[celest dock]

There's an open PR for floating damage numbers. I think it has some more adjustments that need to be made before getting merged.

[eager helm]

sick, thanks

[night tusk]

what does combat booster do?

[eager helm]

mainly shows a turn marker for whos turn it is

[still smelt]

@simple nova Just checking, but if I had small other suggestions, is this the best place to make them, or do you have a preferred method (a box to put them in even 😛 )

[celest dock]

You can open an issue on the GitHub. https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/issues

[simple nova]

Did some work last night on automating effect expiration

This won't cover applying effects, you'll still need the GM to drag and drop

But at least now there is logic for "what happens at the end of your turn with a save ends effect"

[short wadi]

Is that something you see coming down the line? Ala the effect tray in say 5e?

The exact name of it escapes me

[celest dock]

I know we have an open issue for it on GitHub for adding "apply effect" buttons to the chat card.

[short wadi]

Wondering if that's something where if you had say 3 creatures selected that all rolled a different result. Would it be able to detect "this creature only gets the dazed (eot) because M<1" but "this creature gets dazed (save ends) because M<2". Or something to that effect. Because you can set up different checks for potencies levels and success/failure in the apply effect options of an ability. If that all makes sense, sorry.

[simple nova]

Yes, it's just that this piece needed to happen first

[short wadi]

Makes sense!

[simple nova]

Yes, ideally the apply effect handling will integrate into the potency logic

[simple nova]

Scope creeping a little more

(button disabled itself after use)

[eager helm]

this is goated, ngl

[simple nova]

Small upgrade, embedding the effect text

[wintry peak]

is this the newest one?

[sullen nest]

Yes, I'm overdue to fix the monsters tho

[sullen nest]

Monster fixes in the compendium: https://github.com/rmarone/draw-steel-abilities/releases/download/1.3.2/module.json

@night tusk I don't see the other issue you reported

[night tusk]

Maybe it's something that happens during the module packing? Is that a thing?

Can anybody but Ashes check in the compendium, wether creature abilities have effect text with then? For me they don't, the effect windows are empty

@sullen nest give me half an hour and I'll check of it's maybe a weird module interaction

[night tusk]

@sullen nest ok, it was 1 h, but I confirmed it happens regardless wether any modules are turned active or not.
I exported an ability and DMed it to you so you can maybe check the code if you find something there?

[grizzled flint]

Just got around to updating to 0.7.1 and installed the compendium, picked a few creatures at random but I'm seeing effect text on abilities.

Only issue I'm having is a lot of abilities are shown as Target -> Unknown, seems like it's related to things that target multiple creatures. Oddly just opening and closing the edit menu on the ability fixes it and it stays fixed through a reload.

[night tusk]

Thanks, @sullen nest and I already found that version 1.3.2 fixes the issue for me. But I can confirm that weird target unknown behaviour. For me it happened especially with abilities targeting 2 creatures

[grizzled flint]

Gotcha, glad you got it sorted!

[whole elm]

On the note of the compendium, I was seeing that it wasn't adding the characteristic to the power roll. It was always +0 for the modifier (I tried a few different gnolls). I didn't do any deeper testing, but did anyone else see that?

[simple nova]

what version are you on?

pretty sure that got fixed in 0.7.1

[whole elm]

Pretty sure I was in 0.7.1, but I'm not sure what version of the compendium. I'll try to dig a bit in this and come back if it's a consistent issue.

[simple nova]

Basically a question of data entry vs. System math

[night tusk]

Version 1.2.1 of the compendium has all monsters noted with power roll bonus of +@chr, which in the case of npcs/monsters results in 0.

I'm not sure if Chaos et al had planned to fix the disgunctionsl @chr monster math or have fixed it already, but AFAIK it's best to simply out the numerical value for the roll bonus in, rather than relying on @chr

[short wadi]

Yeah. Opted to replace all mine with the number. The number doesn't ever change as far as I can tell. Unless you manually wanted to homebrew a statblock

[simple nova]

look like fixed in 0.7.1

[eager helm]

how does the hero token functionality work in 0.7.1?

as far as i can tell the functionality doesnt exist to reroll tests or get a "free" recovery

[simple nova]

In play mode, I think if you click the label for Stamina it has the "free recovery"

As for reroll tests, no that's not currently implemented but it's on the shorter end of my TODO list

I'm currently working through all the chat message interactivity, you can see above my iteration on save effects

[eager helm]

dope thanks

[simple nova]

Depending on how much progress Zhell makes with the Advancements over the next month I may get through most of the chat buttons by the time 0.8 comes out

we'll see, all of this is volunteer work so progress is fundamentally unsteady

[eager helm]

ill take it as i get it 😆

[finite spear]

watching

Thanks Chaos for taking lead on this ❤️

[sullen nest]

All my Gnolls have their ability bonuses, make sure you are on draw-steel-abilities 1.3.2

Also note that if you drag the monster out of the compendium into your actors tab or map you are creating an unlinked copy. So updating will not effect those, you will have to retrieve them again from the compendium

[night tusk]

Always worth checking the "system journals" compendium in-game or the wiki page. Hero token functionality for the current version is explained in the "system automations" page

[eager helm]

oh huh i couldnt find that

i checked the documentation first

[night tusk]

https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/System-Automations#recoveries-through-hero-tokens

That's the beginning of the hero tokens section

[eager helm]

sorry i meant the system journals in foundry

[night tusk]

Yeah, all wiki pages are also in the system journals

Sorry, I'm currently only on my phone so I can't look up the exact path, but there should be a journals compendium named "systems journals", from there should be a journal called "systems automations" and in there, like the wiki page, should be the third section called "Recoveries, Respites, Surges and Hero Tokens".

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@simple nova

Question about combatant groups - squads in particular:

When I have any minion squad on a map, the stamina of each token and respective actor sheets gets changed to the maximum of the individual token, meaning the only way to "know" an individuals stamina is the stamina displayed with the squad stamina?

But weirdly this then also applies to actor sheets in the actor's tab? Like yesterday I had a squad of abyssal hyenas (max stamina 7; squad stamina 56) in my encounter, yet every abyssal hyena would display their stamina as 56/56, the actor's on the map, being X/56 depending on whete the squad pool was at. New hyenas would come onto the map with 56/56 stamina

Is that intended this way?

[still smelt]

Is there a way to track non treasure equipment, like project ingredients, or random little quest Tokens and what not?

[simple nova]

Not currently, file a feature request, but we are going to try and minimize how much traditional "inventory" tracking we do since that's explicitly not how the game is supposed to work

[still smelt]

Ok. On my phone so will have to do so later. I'd be happy with just a text box to put names of small items, mostly story related.

[hazy bear]

Hey all, how does one set it up so that spend resource effects appear on the character sheet? In this example, I'd like the Spend 1 Wrath effect to be visible to my first time player. I've filled out the Spend section, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the presentation.

[simple nova]

Probably an oversight when we redid abilities

[simple nova]

Could you file a ticket on the repository and we'll get it done for 0.7.2

[night tusk]

That ticket already exists #398

[sleek furnace]

Is there a way to show malice value inside a journal? I'm using journals as encounter sheets.

[simple nova]

Like, the current value? Not as far as I know

[sleek furnace]

Correct, and ok

[sleek furnace]

I'm very new to macros and I'm kinda just editing the recovery macro so I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong here.

[simple nova]

You just want surges not surges.value

[sleek furnace]

My hero!

[eager helm]

is there a way to add in small increments of specific damage types

like for certain levelled treasures, which give +1 [damage type] damage, for instance

[simple nova]

Not currently

KJTailor is helping compose a full list of AE targets we need to support

[eager helm]

cool, just checking

[night tusk]

I haven't looked at (levelled) treasures at all, whoops.

Time to park the monster book momentarily and get back to the heroes book

[short wadi]

I just added treasure specific damage in manually for now to the Abilities they apply to as another damage instance

[still smelt]

question, but - were Kits removed from equipment?

[short wadi]

Nope, I believe you have to specify in the class item that the character should have a kit

[still smelt]

Ah, found it!

[still smelt]

One other question, but is the only indication of a critical hit a green number?

[simple nova]

Yeah, and you should be able to click on that to expand?

[still smelt]

It did expand, showed the dice. I think I was just expecting some text that says "critical hit" or something, but no worries

One other question -but trying to figure out why this one PC is differently colored in the combat tracker.

[celest dock]

Do they have a player owner?

[still smelt]

Oooh! that makes sense - player hasn't taken ownership yet!

[still smelt]

Bingo! That fixed it. Thank you

[simple nova]

honestly it's probably worth revisiting, I first wrote it when they were experimenting more with the rules so I didn't want to overcommit to anything

[still smelt]

I don't think players are every disappointed to have a crit celebrated 😄

[short wadi]

I don't think that was the point of the reasoning 😅

[eager helm]

so my players noticed that the ruler tool has changed

a few got a bit frustrated and wanted it the way it was before

anyone know of any modules that accomplish that

?

[simple nova]

unlikely to be one given how fresh v13 is

I think it's a "you'll get used to it" kinda deal

[eager helm]

fair nuff

[steady vault]

Hello. First off, great job and hats off to everyone who participated in this project, @simple nova especially.
A little background: I'm used to Foundry with my usual group using another system (Fabula Ultima), so I know the basics of Foundry logic and dabble in making my own items and abilities and whatnot with the QOL buttons for rolls. I am no programmer and even less of a graphic designer, but I am qualified in terms of UI and UX with low code solutions.
With that said, I have a few questions and, if you wish it, I would like to offer my help to pad the compendiums for the project.

First question, then: are there any compendiums available other than the System Journals?
Second, how do combatant groups work and how can I set one up? The documentation on the aforementioned System Journals is... light on the subject.
Third, how can I setup an effect aura around a character – like the Null Field – so it applies to every enemy but not everyone (including the null source)?

P.S. Forgive the very long message, I dumdum some—most of the times.

[simple nova]

1. We're mostly waiting for official release to do Compendiums, there's a community effort in the pins for the backer Packet
2. The triple dot menu in the Combat Tracker, top right
3. I think we're compatible with the Effect Auras module but there's no native implementation

[steady vault]

1. What will those compendiums contain/what are the plans for them, aesthetics and usability-wise?
2. Cool, I’ll check that out when I try my next combat scenario – still mostly exploring and building stuff without my players.
3. Ah! Would that module then become kind of a prerequisite for the system in the future?

[simple nova]

1. We do want to make a compendium browser, but to start expect them to just be the default compendium app
2. Yeah, there's not a more visible place to put them but it works
3. I wouldn't consider it a requirement but it is helpful

[steady vault]

If there is no other way to setup auras as they appear in the game rules without the Effect Auras module, doesn’t it just make auras in Foundry the biggest pain? As if it were with physical minis and maps! Ugh, the horror! /s

[simple nova]

Unfortunately Improved Measured Templates didn't win the v14 vote or they'd be set up to be a core feature in a year

[night tusk]

@simple nova didn't I finish the wiki page for combat encounters explaining in a bit more details what @steady vault is asking about regarding combatant groups?

Maybe a good opportunity to quickly update the wiki at least?

[simple nova]

Worth checking but I don't think that was in 0.7.1?

[night tusk]

No, I didn't get it finished in time for 0.7.1, but with my systems automation document, you just updated the wiki, I think?

[simple nova]

Yeah wiki should be updated

[night tusk]

No, I mean now again so the combat encounter document that was merged over 2 weeks ago is also included in the wiki

[simple nova]

Oh I can run it again later

Need to be on desktop

[night tusk]

Cool 😊

[simple nova]

wiki is freshly updated

[night tusk]

You can find information on encounter functionality on the wiki: https://github.com/MetaMorphic-Digital/draw-steel/wiki/Combat-Encounters#wiki-pages-box

This will also be included in the system journals with the next system module update

[steady vault]

That reminds me of another question!
Is there any way to automate the minion features when their captain is present vs when not? I mean, for instance, a goblin runner that has +2 Speed with a captain (I don’t remember if that is the actual stat in the Monsters book). To be clear, this is curiosity on my part.

[simple nova]

Not currently

[steady vault]

I meant is that possible in the code? Could one theoretically program a macro that checks if a combatant group captain (I haven’t had time to read the wiki yet, so forgive inaccuracies) is alive and applies some bonus to the minion in that case?

[simple nova]

Yeah it's possible and on our to-do list. Just one of those things that's limited by the fact that the system is early in development and has a long backlog

Right now our target for 0.8 is Advancements

And otherwise I think I'm going to prioritize mechanics that show up in the Road to Broadhurst adventure

[still smelt]

something small, but curious if this is intended - I notice in the chat log - it seems when I scroll up to older chats - messages have just a slight blur; but the current one is crystal clear. Is that intentional?

[simple nova]

core issue

[still smelt]

Hi folks. I know this isn't strickly a DS related question, but I just started getting this error, and not sure quite how to fix. Any chance someone has had it before and knows how to solve?

[simple nova]

I'll be honest the folks at https://discord.com/channels/170995199584108546/689889940590690323 will help best

[still smelt]

perfect! That's probably what I needed. Thank you!

[steady vault]

(I feel I'm becoming annoying)
What am I doing wrong that the movement value does not change? I trie to change priority and I tried to change the "change mode" to Override and still nothing.

I found it... I was being stoooooopid.

[simple nova]

yeah, so for active effects, it is never correct to have an @ value on the left

[night tusk]

I guess I should write at least some short documentation on how to do active effects, shouldn't I?

[whole hawk]

What's up gang

Anything noteworthy I missed

[simple nova]

0.7.2 is just around the corner

[simple nova]

Patch note preview for 0.7.2

Added

• Added support for the automatic end of effects. (#551)
  • End of Turn will automatically self-disable when an affected actor ends their turn.
  • Saving Throws will create prompts for owners. If multiple players own an actor, the active GM will receive a dialog to help delegate rolls.
    • The roll message has a button to spend a hero token to automatically succeed.
  • End of Encounter effects will automatically self-disable alongside the encounter.
• Added Disengage to Stats tab in the movement section and integrated the Kit Bonus. (#519)
• Added UI for configuring an actor's turns per round, save bonus, and save threshold. (#532)
  • These are also readable in a hover tooltip on the "Combat" legend in the Stats tab.
• Added spend line to the displayed power content. (#398)
  • Note: Expect future breaking changes with how Spend is configured to account for variations that the current data does not represent.
• Added Ability compendium with basic actions and maneuvers.
  • Creating a new character will give them those basic actions and maneuvers. (#56)
• Stamina changes now display as floating damage number. The color depends on the type of damage dealt. (#417)

Changed

• Aligned the system's active effect suppression checks with core v13 behavior, allowing the system model to also apply. (#541)
• The Monster Metadata and Source forms now perform live updates instead of using a save button.
• Added a dsid getter on the Item class, made the initialized version of _dsid read only (you can still perform updates but not apply active effects). (#389)

Fixed

• Fixed an issue that allowed characteristics to become null, instead of defaulting back to 0.
• Fixed free strikes not applying. (#544)
• Minions which have unlinked tokens in a squad but are not themselves in a squad will not display as if they are in a squad. (#561)

[eager helm]

i just tested all these changes

works like a charm

absolutely amazing stuff

is there currently a way to add surges onto damage or potency? just making sure im not missing something

[simple nova]

nah still a TODO

[eager helm]

okay

this is absolutely excellent work

i love the new UI for spending hero tokens on saves

[simple nova]

fwiw it's on the short list, I'd like to do it in 0.7.3 alongside generally improving the power roll effect application process

[eager helm]

the new spend functionality is very slick too

the floating damage numbers are lowkey my favorite addition

[simple nova]

yeah props to @obtuse gorge on that

[steady vault]

• Added spend line to the displayed power content. (#398)
  -- Note: Expect future breaking changes with how Spend is configured to account for variations that the current data does not represent.
  I am unsure what this means. Can you explain for my stupid brain?

[simple nova]

which part? So, "Spend" has been on the Ability sheet in edit mode, but wasn't visible in play mode, so that's been fixed

but it is likely that how that's handled is likely to change in the future

in 0.8 or later

[steady vault]

For abilities, you mean?

Spend X HR/Malice ?

[eager helm]

so i wanna make sure im getting the applied effects, especially with the new save ends functionality

you have to go into that specific ability

create a new applied effect

note which status effect it will apply, note the duration as save ends

then select that for the ability

[simple nova]

yeah, the optional Spend entry