Simple Treasures Part 4

[wraith grotto]

Hello again! I'm back with 5 more simple treasures! Feedback is welcome.

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[rich pelican]

I like these but I might reword the ricochet wand to include ranged magic attacks, otherwise I see cases where someone argues it applies to regular ranged attacks like with a bow or throwing knife.

Otherwise, these are dope and I'm ripping them for my game!

[wraith grotto]

I believe it already includes magic attacks. It says "signature ranged attacks" which includes both weapon attacks and magic attacks.

[rich pelican]

You're correct, I 'misspoke.' It includes magic ranged attacks for sure, but as written it also includes weapon ranged attacks.

If you intended it to be a magic item that allows a weapon attack to ricochet that's fine, but since it's a wand I assumed it was meant to benefit magic signature abilities only.

While wielding Ricochet Wand, signature ranged attacks will bounce to a second target within ranged 5.

^ I see a case where someone tries to apply this wording to mean their weapon attack with a bow.

Either way it's a cool item, I just don't know if that was your intention.

[wraith grotto]

It was my intention, but I see now how it is confusing. I just changed it to (hopefully) be more clear. If you don't mind, look over the new version and see if it helps.

[rich pelican]

Looks good to me! I think all of these items are super cool. I've been thinking about treasures to give my players.

I especially like the ritual knife because it can be given to the shadow to give the Conduit or Elementalist an essence or piety and really fits in with the teamwork/combo fantasy

[wraith grotto]

I'm glad you like them! Thanks for checking them out!

[mint delta]

I'd make the 3 edge stack from lucky charm be +2 to the roll and tier up, rather than auto tier 3.

Especially for a shadow, it can be quite easy to stack 3 edges, even at level 1. If you have a conduit with Holy Infusion or any Tactician, it's even easier.

[wraith grotto]

That is how I had it in the first draft, but I did the math, and a Double Edge + 2 just doesn't give the impact I wanted from the item. Besides, I am anticipating edges becoming much more rare in later packets.

[mint delta]

I don't think as many edge sources will get converted as others seem to think. Remember, the devs have designed and are playtesting all 10 levels at the moment (at least for some classes). I think most things that were swapped from edges to surges will be at higher levels.

We already know that the Tactician Mark will still be an edge, from the shared character sheet

The things they mentioned will stay as edges will be the tactical contributions: flanking, high ground, stealth.

[wraith grotto]

I guess we'll see. The big issue is stacking three edges comes at a high cost. First, it takes using an item slot on an item that gives you nothing except the option to stack 3 edges. Second, it costs using 3 edges that you could have used on something else. I consider that a high opprotunity cost. The difference in average damage between a double edge and a double edge +2 is about 0.34 damage on high damage signatures. You will also be more likely to get t3 effects, but hopefully you get the idea: the +2 really isn't that valuable. And how bad would it feel to stack 3 edges and still only get a tier 2 result?

[mint delta]

I just know I have several Shadow builds that can regularly get 3 edges on their signature attacks every turn, without needing any other players, effects, or resource investment. I'd love the item, but I suspect whatever director I had wouldn't.

Also keep in mind that tier 3 for a Shadow is extra resources (although maybe that changed in the new version, like how the Tactician did?). So it's more than just the minor damage increase.

continuing on to the other treasure

I like spiked shield, seems like a fun strategy to be the pillar that other people get slammed into

Oversized weapon and richochet wand both feel EXTREMELY powerful.

Just double damage signatures from the richochet wand is already strong, but the oversized weapon will likely hit 3 targets, and can work with heroic abilities.

I don't really like how Shield means you don't worry about cover. I think it would be more interesting if you provided cover instead.

[wraith grotto]

Yeah 😎 I wanted to upgrade to some real items you can build around. I might end up turning them into Leveled Treasures. We'll see!

[mint delta]

Those abilities feel like the highest rank (level 9? level 10?) of a leveled treasure