FORGE STEEL

[fallow patrol]

The option to customize name, description, notes, etc. on Free Strikes isn't working like for other abilities. Melee and Ranged Free Strikes both behave like this. Also the Talent's Mind Spike ability doesn't show up in this section, not sure if that was on purpose or not since it is mentioned in the notes of Mind Spike.

The damage and range modifiers seem to work fine though, so besides the name and strained notes I was able to make it work

[urban hollow]

Fixed the Mind Spike issue

[digital timber]

Classic Sheet Update

Just a couple changes to the Hero classic sheet this time, but I think they are pretty useful!

• The classic sheet now uses the MCDM Draw Steel Glyphs for icons and potency glyphs!
• The 'Include Standard Abilities' (which displayed all standard abilities) option has been replaced with a multi-select where you can pick and choose only those standard abilities that you want included in your character sheet
• Tables now render correctly in text descriptions
• The options under 'Include Class Features' now have a tooltip that hopefully explains the differences between the options better than the one-word labels
• Various small adjustments and bugfixes

fixed

[lost sierra]

Are there any forge steel imports for the delian tomb encounters etc?

Also, when running encounters in Forge Steel, when you end a turn you only have a choice for the opposing side. Shouldn't you be able to pick from either side since some abilities let one side go twice in a row? Seems like I mentioned it before and someone said they were looking at it. Is there another way to run encounters in forge steel? Thanks

[exotic arch]

The adventures are not covered under the license so distributing such content would breach it

[upper cypress]

There is an enhancement being worked on for this i think.

[lost sierra]

Oh, just what's in the encounter? Gotcha. I have DT and books/pdf's. It's actually included in DT, but when I made RTB in Forge Steel it was easier reading. I'll just put them over manually. Thanks

[upper cypress]

What you can do is use the toggle manually to change the state of a group or individual.

[lost sierra]

Never mind, I found the ... on the left hand side. Thanks, that'll work.

[urban hollow]

I've updated the turn order sidebar; you can now select anyone that hasn't yet acted.

[sage sigil]

How does this "save" data? My wife is directing (for the first time ever for any game!) running Delian Tomb, and wants to prep on her Mac, but run the game using a PC laptop at the table. Is that supported at the moment?

[digital timber]

The data is saved in the browser local storage. For transferring between computers/etc, you'll want to use the data export -> import mechanism

[sage sigil]

Awesome 😎 Thanks for the speedy reply!

[hazy lantern]

It seems that the issue is still not quite resolved, along with some other display issues. I'm using Chrome and performed a refresh, a had refresh, closed the application and reopened it. I have not yet tried clearing the cache and reloading the character.

I am, however, receiving the following console error, which may or may not be related:
main-BSciQBtF.js:2380 TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'features') at main-BSciQBtF.js:2380:25847 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at uh.updateFeatureData (main-BSciQBtF.js:2380:25820) at main-BSciQBtF.js:2380:23499 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at uh.updateHeroData (main-BSciQBtF.js:2380:23416) at uh.updateHero (main-BSciQBtF.js:2380:18616) at main-BSciQBtF.js:3812:39034 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at main-BSciQBtF.js:3812:39019 updateFeatureData @ main-BSciQBtF.js:2380

Related error mentioned above. This occurs on multiple characters

[digital timber]

Hmmm, okay I'll take a look. I'm realizing now that I focused on only part of the 'Disciple of the Green' issue, which is partly that it's just a huge table

That text issue keeps popping up with this rendering library and it's super annoying.

[hazy lantern]

It's a truly unwiedly table. 🙂 Plus, this is only an FYI. You've been doing incredible stuff, so I'm not going to complain, just point out things that you might not be aware of yet.

[digital timber]

I genuinely appreciate these kinds of heads up things, I want to have it work right!

https://tenor.com/view/realised-gif-26455419

live look at me as I see this table

[digital timber]

and that text overlap thing is happening in Chrome? on Windows? and I assume just when exporting as pdf?

[hazy lantern]

Chrome 141.0.7390.78, MacOS Sequioa 15.6.1 and it happens both when viewing the sheet and on export. Just tested on Windows 11, also Chrome and I see the same overlap in the classic sheet view and on export to pdf.

In case it matters, here is the PDF export and hero file.

[wooden geyser]

I think the Tactician 5pt maneuver Now! shouldn't have the Weapon keyword (and hence shouldn't get range distance bonuses from kits)

[digital timber]

okay, I think the text overlap bug should be fixed for chromium based browsers - could you verify it looks right for you? The table part is going to take a bit more work

[hazy lantern]

It does look like the overlap is fixed on both Windows and Mac. Thanks!

[urban hollow]

I've made a big change to Forge Steel, but you won't see this one unless you opt in. Some of the more complicated elements (classes, subclasses, monster groups, domains) are a little unwieldy to navigate, so I've simplified them. The only downside to this is that exporting a homebrew class, for example, as a PDF won't show all the information.

If you want to see this change, open About, switch to the Admin tab, and enter Glauer as a feature flag.

(you can always turn it off from Options if you want to export something)

[icy abyss]

Hello! I noticed the core classes appear to update the heroic resource gain values as they get new features but I can't seem to replicate it for a homebrew class. Is this feature not rolled out for homebrew yet or am I doing something wrong? Examples of the hombrew class resources and the Tactician:

And this is how I entered the information in my hombrew class (first image is level 1 resource generation and the second is the upgrade at level 4):

[urban hollow]

There’s a bit of extra information that I must have forgotten to add to the editor, I’ll fix that

[urban hollow]

Should be fixed now.

[icy abyss]

Can confirm that it's working! Thanks for adding that field in

[crystal tulip]

I'm working in Firefox and I've noticed that when I export the Classic sheet to PDF the Fletching and Jump skills are both dropped down slightly on the right hand side of the sheet (picture attached) - is this a known issue with Firefox or should I use a different browser for exporting (the issue doesn't exist in the web version of the sheet).

[digital timber]

what page size/orientation?

[crystal tulip]

Good question - what measurement do you need it in? Px?

[urban hollow]

A4 or Letter

[crystal tulip]

I'm not entirely sure how to check that in Firefox I'm afraid (or whether its something picked at the point of export), how would I do that?

[digital timber]

It's under 'Options':

[urban hollow]

Also, if you can check your app version, in About, that might be handy

[crystal tulip]

Layout is Letter, Portrait, and the version is 11.72.0!

[solid hamlet]

Is the only way to add a new Monster to create a whole new Monster Group (and/or copy it) into my sourcebook and then add from there? I'm trying to add a new Elemental but it looks like I would have to dupe the whole group before I add the new Monster. Am I missing a step?

e.g. I can get this... but if I can chuck my custom creations under the Elementals group, that would be awesome

[urban hollow]

Yeah, you can't currently create monsters outside a group, but I'm working on a way to change this.

[digital timber]

could you send your hero data? also - this is in FF, correct? what os?

[crystal tulip]

Sure thing - it is Firefox, Windows 11 (unfortunately). I'll get the data shortly as its on my laptop; best to DM you or put it in chat?

[digital timber]

whichever you prefer. Could you also try a hard refresh for me (Ctrl + F5)? I regularly test FF in Win 11, and I haven't been able to reproduce your issue yet

but your issue was popping up recently (and then fixed or so I thought!), and sometimes the browser cache can hold old versions of stuff in memory longer than I'd like

[crystal tulip]

I'll give that a go ASAP

[crystal tulip]

Just to confirm that it still comes up post hard-refresh unfortunately!

This is the character data here

[digital timber]

grr, so annoying! This is what I see when I export the pdf:

does it do the same thing in chrome?

[crystal tulip]

I'm not sure, I don't have Chrome installed on the device at the moment, but it doesn't happen in Microsoft Edge. I am on the same instance of Firefox (144.0, 64-bit), and don't get this issue with other characters on a different device, so it may just be an odd quirk on this laptop!

[torpid rampart]

I noticed that when I export a hero as data from mobile it's a .json file, and from my PC it's a .ds-hero file

is there any way to get a character sheet moved from mobile to PC, and vice versa?

[wary yoke]

They are the same thing inside, just different extensions as far as I know

[crystal tulip]

Yeah just manually alter the file extension from .json to .ds-hero

[digital timber]

correct - mobile (iOS in particular) does a lot of "well, I know better than you or the devs, so I'm going to do this with this file you want to download", such as change the file extension

[torpid rampart]

good to know, thank you all

[idle shoal]

Has anybody configured the Heel Cutter axe from the Delian Tomb in forge steel yet? And if so, would they mind linking me the exported data? Thank you

[fair nimbus]

Delian Tomb content that isn't part of the Heroes or Monsters book isn't covered by the license, so cannot be shared.

[exotic knot]

Is it possible to print the standard abilities in Forge Steel to go with your printed PDF character sheet?

I'd love to have these printed out as a good rules reference.

[wary yoke]

use the classic view to get a print optimized layout

(which you can export to pdf)

[exotic knot]

I printed that out, but it left out these standard abilities.

The PDF doesn't include them.

[wary yoke]

you add them using this field in the settings

[exotic knot]

Thanks!

Weird. It stil isn't exporting on my Shadow with those options included.

[wary yoke]

do you see the actions getting added to the sheet before export?

[exotic knot]

No.

My options were already set to all, so not sure why it won't export them with the character sheet.

[wary yoke]

oh you need to select the abilities in the drop down under Included Standard Abilities

[exotic knot]

Oh! That looks correct. I didn't know I had to select each with a checkmark.

Thank you!

[digital timber]

having a way to print just the standard abilities as a standalone 'reference' sheet is a requested feature, and it's on the todo list - but I don't have an estimate of when it will get done. Also, you highlight a good point about how I need to better account for people who already have 'include standard abilities' selected for the modern view. 🤔

[urban hollow]

I have a plan for that last bit, don't worry.

[exotic knot]

Ty.

[torpid rampart]

I'm having formatting issues when exporting a classic view high-res PDF, is that normal?

[wary yoke]

no, have you checked you are on the latest version? If you are what browser and can you post a screenshot of the issue? It may help veritas figure it out

[torpid rampart]

using Chrome

here is the pdf with the issue. how do I check the version?

[wary yoke]

the about button in the bottom right

[torpid rampart]

11.75.0

[wary yoke]

try refreshing and see if it picks up 11.76

(I don't know if .76 fixes you issues, but it's a more recent version)

[torpid rampart]

not sure if that was the issue or not but it exported fine after updating. thanks!

[solid hamlet]

another question: is there a way to restrict what Malice Features go into an Encounter, or will it always just drop every monster's monster group malice feature all the time?

[exotic knot]

Weird. Roll20 is keeps not importing my Complication for Third Eye Seeker bow in the Leveled Treasure section of my character sheet.

When I import the data file exported from Forge Steel.

Not sure how I'm going to add it and have it do the +1 damage to my ranged attacks now.

[urban hollow]

Maybe raise it with the people who handle the Roll20 integration? That might be your best course.

[digital timber]

At the moment it does all of them, but being able to limit what goes in would be a useful feature

[spiral elk]

Is there a way to turn off some races for instance, languages, add new ones, etc?

I mean, what if I wanted to, say, no Time Raiders in the game. I can definitely just say that, but if I could click things that turns some character choices off, that would be great if I could.

Another question, unrelated to the first, when running an encounter, I found that adding players was adding an entire folder of characters. Later on, I had a new player join; in order to get him in, I had to make a new folder just for him.

If I added him to the folder already added, would it auto add him? Because when I readded that folder, it added a second copy of all the characters, and that was awkward.

It would be great if we could just add characters individually as a second option to adding an entire folder, to encounters.

EDIT: third question, when running an encounter and starting a new turn, I had to click on each character to say they were ready for the next turn. I thought when I clicked the next turn button it would auto reset everyone, but it doesnt, as it listed no one to choose to go first for that next round until I manually reset everyone. Am I missing something? If not, it would be great if, when I clicked the next turn button, if all creatures that were FINISHED would be reset to READY to act.

[urban hollow]

• You can select / unselect whichever sourcebooks you want to use for a hero on the first page of the hero builder.
• You can add an individual hero to an encounter, or add a folder of heroes - it sounds like you're adding a folder.
• When your encounter has monsters and heroes, you can use the initiative tracker to roll initiative, select the next combatant, and handle end-of-turn condition saves. You shouldn't need to manually adjust anything unless you want to do something unusual.

[dim turtle]

Is there a way to set up characters to level up at 8xp in accordance to double speed advancement?

[exotic arch]

Would be nice, but you can also just manually level yourself in the character editor

[delicate saffron]

I'm trying to implement the Amulet of the Delian Order in Forge Steel but can't figure out how to include the saving throw bonus. Is this possible? If so, can someone walk me through it? Edit: to clarify what I'm looking for. I would like to show that +1 bonus in the note at the "Conditions" box, either as a "6 or higher on a 1d10+1" or "5 or higher on 1d10". Something like that.

[delicate saffron]

And I see a spot where followers get added (under Manage/Customize) and when adding projects and I see a spot where they get assigned to a particular project. But the "Assigned Follower" space on the character sheet is always blank. Is there a way to fill in the assigned follower and have it show on the Classic Sheet view and export?

[delicate saffron]

And since I'm going on about this, minor typo in the Bloodbound Band entry:

[urban hollow]

You can create a Bonus feature type; one of the options for that is for Saves.

[digital timber]

Fixed!

Classic Sheet Update

• The 'Standard Abilities' page in the Heroes View has been converted to the classic sheet look, so you can now print a formatted handout of just the standard abilities for your table. Fits neatly on 2 pages! @exotic knot @strange rover

• Projects that have been added to your Hero now also show up on a 'Projects Details' section, which outlines the project prerequisites and source, as well as providing a place to track whether you have obtained those things or not (and a place for details like just how much costmary leaves you have left for brewing those healing potions)

• Also, as a heads up - I changed the rendering library for generating the pdf as well, and I have been seeing a lot less rendering weirdness. Hopefully the text positioning bugs those of you like @crystal tulip have been seeing are even more squashed now, but please keep letting me know if you run into any more of them!

[delicate saffron]

Thank you, not sure how I missed that. But does this have any effect elsewhere on the sheet? Other than in the item itself, it doesn't appear to be any different than just adding it as text. I don't see that bonus showing up anywhere else.

[urban hollow]

It should appear at the end here

[delicate saffron]

Ok, so maybe this is just an issue with the Classic Sheet view and PDFs? I don't see that Save box at all there.

[urban hollow]

Yes possibly.

[digital timber]

I'll look into it, could you send me your hero data so I can be sure I'm not setting things up wrong?

[spiral elk]

Well, I know you can turn off source books but what if I wanna turn off just like one character class for instance, I don’t think I can do that can?

[urban hollow]

No, that’s not currently a feature.

[spiral elk]

regarding the other two comments, I didn’t see how you can add individual heroes, but I’ll look again. Yes I was adding in folders, but I didn’t see any other options, maybe I just missed it.

as for the encounter thing, when I’m talking about is when the first turn ends, so with each actor, you know when you have the first one going, you click when they’re finished, then you go to the next actor and click on their little menu and select acting or whatever the option is, sorry I’m not at my computer right now, so I’m operating on memory, and then you finish them etc. etc. when each one is finished, they’re at the bottom.

So when I’m going to the next turn, I thought when you clicked next turn, it would automatically set all the actors to being ready again, but it doesn’t, because it brings up the choice of selecting the first character to go, and it’s empty if I haven’t turned them from finished to ready to act.

[spiral elk]

OK, that’s too bad, because for instance, I was thinking about a campaign where I wouldn’t want to use three of the ancestries, I suppose it’s not difficult to just tell my players not to choose those three so not a big deal I guess.

[urban hollow]

Yes I can see that being more useful if it was a restriction you were imposing on others but that's not how FS works.

[urban hollow]

When you want to add an individual hero, switch to the Heroes section.

And when you want to end the current group's turn, click the big End Turn button, rather than going through the menu for each of the groups. The initiative tool will pop up and you'll be prompted to choose the next actor.

Is that helpful?

[solid hamlet]

did you guys recently change the layout of the Encounters (Modern Sheet)? I swear it used to tile things like notes and now it's just one column? Edge if that matters

[urban hollow]

Yep!

[solid hamlet]

k. not going crazy. 🙂 I liked the tiling if it's ever returning as an option

[brittle sandal]

Hi hi!

I asked this over in ds-general but was directed here:

first: incredible work on this application and thank you sooooooooooo much for making it and maintaining it.

im having an issue with importing hero sheets.

I asked my players to export their characters so I could import them for our campaign.

On my macOS, one of my player’s exports is findable by the import option from the application ending in the classic .ds-hero. This player exported via a macOS.

Two of the players can only export the data as a .json file and the import cannot find those files as legal targets for import. These players exported on AndroidOS.

I was wondering if there was a conversion or work around to get the files to be seen or in the proper file type. Or if I needed to just remake them on my end.

[solid hamlet]

*.ds-hero is a JSON file, maybe you just need to rename the file extension?

[brittle sandal]

thank you, I forgot i could do this and will try this. the files in question though are character.ds-hero.json

[brittle sandal]

this worked!

[solid hamlet]

ya, someone's browser probably just added the .json at the end to be helpful

it's more common than you think. it's why i try to avoid custom extensions when there is a well-known MIME<->extension in the wild

[jade comet]

Hello! Im sorry if this is a silly question but I was making my charcater in Forge steel for the first time today, a Censor. When you choose a subclass in the books it gives you a predetermined skill eg. Paragon gets the lead skill, but in this builder it lets you choose any skill, is this intentional? Just checking so I know for future building! Thank you!

Btw the builder is really good for onboarding new players, its been soooo helpful, thank you!

[urban hollow]

Is it possible that you’ve already got that skill from somewhere else?

[jade comet]

Hmm I think I chose it but when I saw I get it with paragon, i went back and removed it at that point from the career choices and substituted it with a different one. I suppose that might have prompted the builder to give me a choice?

[urban hollow]

Yes possibly.

[jade comet]

I see! Thank you so much for your help!

[digital timber]

I wonder if the 'Details' pane aggregation of the skills might cause some confusion. I believe that when a class or something gives a specific skill, the skill still shows up as a selection on that screen - and it is possible to then select a different skill without realizing you're changing a skill that is 'supposed to be' static?

but it's also possible I have confused myself with something that is actually pretty cut and dry for everyone else 😆

[snow jungle]

The one that keep unselecting for me is Lift from getting an exploration skill in the War domain but I’m not sure if that’s user error

[urban hollow]

You can now set the difficulty of a montage, and Forge Steel will track the montage's success and failure limits.

[upper cypress]

The white text is not visible on the white background.

[torpid rampart]

Is it possible to add multiple complications to a hero? If so, how?

[real timber]

No, Forge Steel doesn't allow it. You'll have to manually add it in as text to a Custom Ability

[scarlet steppe]

Uuuh gang I think I messed up. I was trying to add a monster Malice ability when I got this error, and the page won't load anymore. Any way to fix this while preserving my cache of characters and monsters?

[urban hollow]

Refresh the app and let me know if it's still happening.

[scarlet steppe]

Issue persists as of now, same error in the console.

I'll probably just clear the cache and tank it. I've sent copies of most of the characters/encounters I care about in discord DMs here and there anyways. The exporting feature of this app is a godsend!

[urban hollow]

Try again now.

[scarlet steppe]

It works! Incredible!

[crystal tulip]

Is there a guide to homebrewing ancestries? I'm sure I'm missing something very obvious in terms of how to convert the text of features into actual features on a sheet but I'm not sure where to start!

[urban hollow]

I'd maybe start by creating a homebrew copy of an existing ancestry.

[crystal tulip]

I'd done that - found the issue was I'd not changed the feature to a Damage Modifier

[sly arch]

Hey yall I've been using forged steel to build my encounters and I got a large party of six players and I just keep getting discouraged because it seems like nearly impossible for me to make a non trivial encounter that has less than 10 creatures on the board.
I'm wondering if I might be trusting this difficulty rating a bit too much

[wary yoke]

Why is the number of creatures specifically a problem?

[crystal tulip]

10 types of creature or 10 creatures total? Most encounters need a mix of higher EV leaders/elites supported by lower EV minions/hordes for balance

[sly arch]

Like right now I'm trying to set up a scene where some Wode elves are kidnapping children from the village and the party comes upon them in the middle of this act. I think this is something that is important and should reward a victory but it's also not like a massive military raid so I don't think the elves would send more then 5 people to do it

[sly arch]

10 total.

[wary yoke]

Without knowing the details of the story you are telling, 10 seems like a perfectly reasonable number for a gang of kidnappers

[exotic arch]

I think you just need to reframe your mental image of what a combat group is in Draw Steel . For example, a "Scout Patrol" from the Wode Elf sample encounters consists of 14 creatures (23 EV). A "Hawkeye Cavalry" unit is only 6 creatures (48 EV). Don't forget Dynamic Terrain Objects as well.

This is a #ds_director-advice discussion, not something to do with Forge Steel. The numbers are right

[urban hollow]

Do you think the calculation might be incorrect?

[exotic arch]

I just checked a handful of sample encounters and they all seemed to line up with the book

[gilded topaz]

Hey you lovely people 🙂 Is there a way to import custom stuff into Forge Steel? I wanted to build a Beastheart on there.

[exotic arch]

If you go into Library > Classes you can add a custom class using the built-in homebrew tools

Add button in the top right

[gilded topaz]

thank you very much 🙂

[deft flicker]

can you still export a form fillable pdf on forge steel?

[urban hollow]

No, the PDF is a little more advanced now, but it's not form-fillable.

[deft flicker]

yeah! it's been a while since I've used forge steel and the new pdf looks really cool I love the colours

is the formfillable option something thats on its way back? I found that option very useful in the past. I like to remove some of the values like current stamina so I can write in them with pencil when i print the sheet out

[urban hollow]

There's a setting to remove current values.

[deft flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-oh-really-huh-uh-sure-shocked-face-gif-16508936361953981598

oh awesome thank you

[exotic knot]

I have the Third Eye Seeker cursed bow. It does +1 extra Psionic damge when I use it on an enemy. Is this extra pt of damage auto-calculated into the ranged damage values for my abilities? Or do I just remember to add it manually in play?

[exotic arch]

You can click the little blue lightning bolt on an ability to expand all the math that goes into it and see what's it adding; treasures should all be adding any nonspecific damage and Stamina bonuses

[exotic knot]

Ty.

[exotic knot]

It doesn't seem to specify what the numbers are from.

[exotic arch]

I just put the bow on the pregen shadow and it seems to read it right for me, what are you seeing?

[exotic knot]

It states +1 Psychic damage on some of my abilities and doesn't on some others.

[exotic arch]

That will be dependent on the keywords of those abilities

[pearl laurel]

Probably just the ranged weapon ones?

[exotic knot]

So, for instance:

Is that 1 Psychic damage added in to the damage each tier?

So, I don't have to remember to add it manually on my end?

AGI is 2.

[exotic arch]

No, that's showing the default damage because you tapped the blue lightning button. If you click that again you should see a Melee/Ranged toggle, which will show the correct bonuses when you have the correct setting applied (because the ability has both the Melee and Ranged keywords, and your kit bonus doesn't apply when you use it in melee).

Although actually it seems like the weapon is adding its bonus even in melee, which it should only be doing if the kit has a melee damage bonus. So yes, it is automatically adding it all the time, even when it shouldn't.

[exotic arch]

Yeah that's only adding your kit bonus (I assume). So you can see it's correctly 2 less in Melee, but it should also be -1 in melee because your kit doesn't have a melee damage bonus (unless it does in which case you're set)

[exotic knot]

Rapid Fire:

[exotic arch]

Right. So the treasure bonus won't apply in melee because there's no melee bonus, but it is correctly applying the treasure to ranged abilities

[exotic knot]

Right.

Thanks!

[upper cypress]

Typo.

[urban hollow]

Yes, there's a bug there I think. I'll see if I can fix it.

[digital timber]

Does anyone use the classic sheet with the current play values (stamina, recoveries, etc)?? Should I just remove that option entirely?

I had it in there initially for... some reason, but now I forget what that reason was

[exotic arch]

It's weird because it's separate from the weapon keywords. If I have the Ranger kit (or am a Tactician with the right mix), then the bow damage does apply to melee weapon abilities, because treasures only care about your kit gear and damage bonuses, but not ability keywords, RAW

I imagine that complicates the math under the hood significantly

[wary yoke]

I would love it to be off by default when exporting the pdf (I should have checked if it is already...)

[digital timber]

It should be defaulting to off unless it was previously set to true I thought. But apparently not

[wary yoke]

yeah, just verified on my machine (11.96.0)

[digital timber]

But the option works for turning it off, right?

[wary yoke]

Oh let me check

... where is the setting?

[south rose]

I keep forgetting to mention this, but my updating my custom sourcebook has not automatically updated the heroes that use that sourcebook since... basically since the button to manually apply updates was removed

I keep having to remove the class and repick all my class decisions over and over again when I make a change to the class in the sourcebook

[delicate saffron]

I noticed that for custom items too.

And, @digital timber, thank you for adding the +1 saves modifier to the Classic sheet!

[urban hollow]

Bottom right of the screen

[wary yoke]

oh, I see it now
"show play state" did not register

so to confirm for veritas, yes, if I toggle off show play state, the values don't show in the pdf

[digital timber]

I'll probably still remove the option to even show current values like that, since I suspect nobody uses it (unless someone passionately defends the feature before I get around to removing it 😆 )

[runic cosmos]

Hey was there a function for making custom retainers in ForgeSteel or is that to come

[urban hollow]

You can - you can add a retainer to a hero using Manage > Customize, or you can add a homebrew retainer monster in the library

[sly arch]

Wait did the ability to indicate a party's size and number of victories in the encounter builder get removed?

[solid hamlet]

It used to be global, maybe they are going to make it context sensitive

[stone goblet]

Not all of the class features show up in the classic sheet. I made a 10th level tactician and it's missing Warmaster, Shock and Awe, Out of Position, and Master of Arms is cut off. It says Remaining features in Reference, but I don't see where that is

[exotic arch]

At the bottom

[stone goblet]

I see the reference for basic game rules, but not the missing features

[exotic arch]

Hmm. If you're in portrait mode (Settings > Classic Sheet), it seems that section is above treasures, but in landscape mode it's under treasures

Also check your settings for Settings > Heroes - Classic Sheet, what're the abilities set to?

[stone goblet]

ok now that's interesting... when I set it to landscape, that section does show, but in portait mode it was just gone

but if I set it to A4 instead of letter, the section shows up again

[ancient seal]

Where do you change the # of Heroes and # of Victories in the Encounter Builder? I can't seem to find the option.

[urban hollow]

Settings, bottom right of screen

[digital timber]

Hmm, I'll take a look - would you be able to post (or send me) the hero data?

[digital timber]

So, rather than remove the toggle (in case someone out there does use it), the default has been changed to false, and if it is turned on, it only persists for the session, not permanently. Hopefully that keeps the vast majority of people from running into the issue you had 🤞

[stone goblet]

I can but not until much later. DM ok?

[ancient seal]

Thanks, I didn’t realize so much of the additional options had migrated there!

[solid hamlet]

Is there any way (or any planned way) to set the number of victories on a per Encounter basis?
The use-case being: I'm setting up the 5 encounters in the dungeon and I expect 1,2,3,4,5 victories, not 1 or 5. The slider will give a false reading unless I manually adjust as flipping through.

[urban hollow]

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

[solid hamlet]

Currently, in settings, you pick number of heroes and number of victories

but that setting will be for ALL encounters in the playbook

so if i plan out 5 encounters, i need to change the setting every time i want to see if the slider is at the right place for the encounter

aka, if i want the 1st and 5th to be standard

[urban hollow]

Ah - probably that'll be added to Adventures - it'll be able to judge how many victories have been gained if the heroes follow the expected flowchart

[stone goblet]

Forgive my ignorance on the topic, but is there a way to "sync" forge steel between multiple devices?

[exotic arch]

Not yet

[stone goblet]

Got it, I thought that using the same chrome account might do it, but I guess it's more complicated than that 😅

[digital timber]

yeah, unfortunately having something like 'storage sync' adds several layers of new complexity, as well as the whole 'storage costs money' thing. But it has been and continues to be looked at (since it is something that would be incredibly useful!)

[digital timber]

being able to have a 'saved' hero count/victory count for encounters would also be useful for printing out several encounters via the Classic Sheet 👍

[loud ridge]

@digital timber when I click on standard abilities view, power rolls such as knockback always come up as 2d10 + 0, even when might is say +2. If I go to settings Hero general, show standard abilities "none" the issue is present. However If I click "all" instead and click on classic sheet the power roll does show the 2d10 +2 as I would expect.

[digital timber]

ah, thanks for finding this and letting me know

[upper cypress]

I have the cursed weapon complication and everytime I refrest the page, it unequips the magic weapon.

[urban hollow]

Hmm, let me look at that.

[urban hollow]

Maybe fixed now. Next time you select it, it should stick.

[upper cypress]

Thanks andy!

[thin jacinth]

Just wanted to say, made a Hero today in Forge Steel and it was a sublime experience! Thanks to all the people contributing to make this resource even better!

[round axle]

Yeah this site has been amazing. The fact that I could create homebrew copies of ancestries for nothing but some name and lote changes. And then package and export them to my gaming group for character that have in-setting text seamlessly was the highlight of may day yesterday when I sent them out and then made a test character in it.

[urban hollow]

New feature: you can now create random encounters. Specify a difficulty and (optionally) some monster keywords, and it'll pull monsters into an encounter for you.

[snow jungle]

Would you mind looking at the exploration skill for being a war censor as well? My Lift skill keeps getting unselected

[upper cypress]

Question for this, is there any way to specify how many heroes of what level and how many victories? Or that is random?

Sorry for the tag.

[urban hollow]

In Settings, bottom right of the screen.

[urban hollow]

Send me your hero file.

[upper cypress]

Also a request. QOL. WHen I click on stamina field, the 0 stays there, when I enter any number it enters it before the 0 which makes it take 30 instead of 3 damage. Can you make it so that by default the field stays empty.

[mortal fossil]

hello, I am setting up for a campaign and wish to not use Orden
under the library->source books, the Orden book says it includes HighElf/WodeElf, but toggling visibility doesn't hide those ancestries 🤔 is there a reason?
also, is "Create homebrew version" the only way to add ancestries/cultures/domains?

very awesome site btw, i was most skeptical of character creation for this system until i used the site and had fun, bought the books right after 🤠

[urban hollow]

Hiding sourcebooks only applies to the Library screen; if you want to limit what you can use for a hero, that's handled on the Start page of the Hero Builder.

(also, the ancestries are in the Core sourcebook; you're seeing the cultures in the Orden sourcebook I suspect)

[mortal fossil]

ohh, that must be it, ty

[dawn geyser]

How are minis added for use with tactical maps?

[urban hollow]

When you have the map open in the Session page, there's a toolbar at the top; select Minis and then Add

Then at the bottom, select a party (or an encounter that's also open) and it'll show you the minis you can add

Then, switching back from Add to Select, click on a mini to move it around or add notes; double-click to see stamina and conditions

[dawn geyser]

...and how are minis added so that they can be selected from that selection area. (How/where are they added to the "Pick Minis From" list?)

[urban hollow]

That list contains (a) items for any parties you've set up in the Hero Builder, and (b) any encounters that are currently in progress

[dawn geyser]

Oh, ok... that's the step I was missing.

[boreal cairn]

Forge Steel is really helpful as I'm prepping to start a new campaign!

I had a question about encounters, it seems encounter difficulty is by default set based on a party of 4 heroes. Is there a function to either manually set the difficulty or to adjust the number of heroes?

Thanks in advance!

[urban hollow]

Settings, bottom right of the screen

[boreal cairn]

Thank you!

[loud ridge]

Just checked and looks like it is working perfectly now- thanks

[digital timber]

Classic Sheet Update

• Negotiations now have a classic sheet view and PDF export!
• There is now a toggle to turn off/on the ability power roll auto-calculation, if you really want to just see what characteristics to use and do that sweet math yourself. (or, more likely, you want to print off some standard ability reference sheets and not have auto-calculation)

[proper oriole]

I noticed what seems to be a bug for the Blade of Quintessence. It's not adding the bonus damage to some abilities:

[exotic arch]

What kit are you using

[proper oriole]

Dual-Wielding

I noticed it now because before I swear it worked properly

and about a month and a half ago it had a different bug where it added too much damage.

[exotic arch]

This came up in the opposite direction a bit ago and may have been tweaked #1284267513084903485 message

If that did get changed, it may be because I Work Better Alone has the Ranged keyword, and the treasure only applies to the Melee version because Dual-Wielding doesn't have a ranged bonus

[proper oriole]

Maybe but Blade of Quintessence at level 5 now applies to ranged attacks adding +3 range and the returning property.

[exotic arch]

Sure, just noting why it might have changed — that's a unique case for sure

[proper oriole]

Oddly enough if you import the json data from Forge Steel to Stawl it does seem to reflect it correctly

[stone goblet]

The epic heroic resources seem to be implemented incorrectly, or at least it wasn't working RAW for the Tactician I was playing. Firstly, it was giving me Command per victories at the start of encounters, instead of after a respite.
Also, heroic abilities did not read as available even if I had enough Focus, they only would show as usable if I had that number in Command (i.e. a 5 Focus ability was greyed out until I had 5 Command)

[urban hollow]

Maybe fixed now.

[stone goblet]

Thanks! Seems to be working except for Command gain, I'm not getting any Command when taking a respite

[urban hollow]

No, that’s not something that’s implemented to happen automatically

[timid bluff]

Feature request(please forgive if already addressed and I'm just daft): when I select the Dragon Dreams complication, I don't see a drop-down in the ancestry or complication tab. Could we add one to select the 2 pts of Dragon Knight ancestry features and have it show somewhere on the sheet? Thanks in advance! You're the best!!

[upper cypress]

For field arsenal, when you pick kits with different bonuses, does forge steel automatically strip both signatures of the native bonuses they have included from the kit or you have to do it manually?

[digital timber]

it should be automatic

[upper cypress]

So right now, the arcane shot and patient shot's thee tiers of damage doesn't have the kit bonus included in them?

[digital timber]

It looks like the Arcane Archer bonus is getting applied - but since both kits adjust the ranged damage, it displays both

[upper cypress]

So if the player is using Arcane shot with the sniper bonus, they will have to remove the +2 from the first 2 tiers of damage and add a +2 to the last tier of damage?

[digital timber]

based on that screenshot, yes. I'm not sure if there is a way to manually specify which kit bonus to use for the auto-calculation in the modern view (when there are multiple possibly valid options)

[urban hollow]

If you press the thunderbolt icon, it should tell you how it's calculating things

[digital timber]

also, just a reminder that the player's choice for which kit bonus to use applies to all abilities until and unless they change the choice during a respite

[upper cypress]

I still can't tell which kit bonus is being added here. 😓

[urban hollow]

None.

[upper cypress]

Oww so it will show if there is a kit bonus bieng added in the breakdown here?

[urban hollow]

You have two kits that might apply to this, so it won't apply either automatically. 3/5/8 + [2] is what it's calculating.

[upper cypress]

Yaa just wanted to know if the math is correct or not on the sheet.

[upper cypress]

And 3/5/8 being the base damage stripped off the kit modifiers correct?

Sorry for the doubts but I was a bit confused from the field arsenal interactions. 😓

[exotic arch]

@digital timber For the classic sheet, similar to the Heroic Ability thing I mentioned a while ago, effects like this (the maneuver granted by King's Roar, in this example) are not abilities in the game sense and wouldn't trigger anything that looks for them (like the Troubadour's "three abilities on one turn" drama effect, for example).

I'm not sure how to really fix this other than by having the item data include a note in the ability-granting section that says "This is not actually an ability" or whatever. But maybe there's a way to automate it that someone cleverer than me would know? 😅

[digital timber]

hmm, that's an interesting point. How would you envision a 'non-ability' maneuver (in this example) being presented in the classic sheet? I would want to keep it mostly the same, in that it is grouped with other maneuvers, and generally maintains the same kind of look - but you are right that it would be good to have some sort of indication that it isn't really an 'ability' (updating the data to not name it 'Armor Ability' would be an obvious starting point)

[exotic arch]

Yeah I think it's good that it appears as a discrete card to remind users of its existence haha

I think removing "ability" is good (Armor Effect maybe?), but also laying it out with keywords and target and all that is what defines something as an ability (per page 69). So if that's not easy to hide that for stuff like this, I can't really think of a better option than just a note at the bottom saying "This does not count as an ability for the purposes of game effects." or something

[digital timber]

okay, I think I understand what you're talking about. If the card didn't display the distance and target icons/section, and instead just had the name and 'Maneuver' as before, along with text to the effect of:

you make the shield’s lion face roar, choosing one adjacent creature or object and pushing that target up to 3 squares.
Is that something that would be clear enough, do you think?

[exotic arch]

Yeah that would be ideal IMO

[digital timber]

okay, I'll see what I can do to accomodate these kinds of 'not ability but ability-like' things better

[exotic arch]

Thank you! You rock!

[digital timber]

for my reference - in your image the character is above lvl 5, correct? (and lower than 9th level)

[exotic arch]

Yep 7th

[digital timber]

maybe a random question, but would something like the standard ability 'Go Prone' also need to be updated similarly? or would that still count (and be formatted fully) as an ability?

[exotic arch]

Yeah that's not an ability either, it's just a free maneuver allowed by the rules on crawling

Claw Dirt is an ability, weirdly, lmao

[north plume]

hi! i'm fairly new to the server and to Forge Steel, so I don't know much about the app yet

not all Elementalist subclasses have been added yet, right? is there a plan to do so, or no? and can we add in custom features/classes in some way?

[fathom badge]

MCDM wants to, but we have zero idea when that is. You can enter homebrew into FS under the director section.

[north plume]

ooh, idk why I thought the other elements had already been released

thanks for the homebrew tip!

[exotic arch]

The Elementalist subclasses haven't been added to the game at all yeah

The core ones have only been out like 2 months! 😂

Or...3. I can count

[north plume]

yeah! explains why I felt like it was weird that the extra elements were in already: they aren't, lmao

thanks guys!

[north plume]

I'm translating a custom class into FS, do the tags matter on HR gains? the start of turn gain has a "start" tag by default, are there other tags I should know about so the encounter tracker works fine?

[urban hollow]

The tags are only there so that you can override them for later levels

[exotic arch]

Speaking of this character, Appeal to the Muses doesn't appear to show up on the Classic Sheet? Am I missing a setting?

[digital timber]

probably a bug? could you send me the hero data?

hmm, trying it myself, a lvl 2 Troubadour shows that feature

[exotic arch]

I figure I'm doing something wrong lmao, usually am when I have a Forge Steel problem haha

It shows in normal view

Okay, it shows up IF I'm in A4 portrait mode 😂 Not in A4 landscape and not in either Letter orientation

[digital timber]

Which subset of class features are you viewing?

[exotic arch]

All

[digital timber]

(in classic view)

aaah okay

if you select Minimal, it will show I bet

[exotic arch]

Ah yep

[digital timber]

at high levels, there might just be too many to display even on a full page

something to look at for sure though - there's a console warning about it, but that's not going to be seen by most people

and the Troubadour is a perfect test case for that since they have all kinds of really long text features haha

[exotic arch]

I do feel like if that's set to show all features, it should probably be showing all features 😅

[digital timber]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

You know... there was someone else saying last week that they were missing the features reference as well...I bet it's the same bug

[exotic arch]

My reference box was appearing, just not everything in it apparently haha

But yes I think theirs was related to the orientation/size

[digital timber]

this one should be fixed

[exotic arch]

Thanks! You're a champ 🙏

[digital timber]

for the 'non-ability abilities' issue, do you happen to know any other culprits other than the King's Roar and the standard abilities offhand? Otherwise I'll probably just fix the data only for those, until and unless others get pointed out in the future.

[exotic arch]

I realize this isn't a classic sheet-specific issue so I'm not sure best praxis here haha, I can put it in a ticket if it'd be easier to track

It's just how stuff gets inputted

[exotic arch]

Whoops that got bigger than expected. Hold on

[exotic arch]

Here's a list of traits and treasures — there are more in class features but those are a lot harder to check. Like I said above tho, this isn't actually specific to the classic sheet, and that's my bad for pinging you without realizing it was on both views. So I'm not sure if this is something addressable on the whole or honestly even worth addressing at all, but, had to mention it at least, just in case!

[digital timber]

there is a fix for both views in progress - I just want to try and catch a bunch with this first pass if I can, but I'd rather not pour through the whole Heroes book looking for errors

[exotic arch]

That should be all of those then. I can't do it soon but I would be happy to check through class features myself at some point and give that list too. You're an absolute champ for this, thank you!!

-# Inb4 James says on stream "Oh yeah any time you use an action it's an ability don't worry about it"

[lost sierra]

Loving the encounter builder, question: I don't always want groups of 4 minions. I may want to split them up among groups. Instead of 4 and 4 I may want 3, 3 and 2. It seems I can only do groups of 4 in FS. I understand the EV portion, but is there any way to split them up? Thanks

[fathom badge]

I believe you can adjust how many minions are in a group on the right hand menu towards the top. It'll only let you choose one option for how many, so I don't think you could do groups of 2 and 3. Minions aren't really worth separating out below counts of 4, but YMMV.

[digital timber]

that reminds me I need to make a feature request for being able to have different sized minion groups within a single encounter - for instance, one of the Delian Tomb encounters has an enemy group with 8 minions, as well as a group with 4 minions + a captain

and another encounter has groups with 2 squads of 4 minions each as a single initiative group, so it would be great to be able to handle all of those scenarios in the builder

[solid hamlet]

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't that just a matter of clicking the + button?

the minion setting/preference just seems to set the number-per-click, so you can get 4,8,12 or 5,10,15 etc

[digital timber]

yeah, I'm possibly confusing the difference between the backend data model and the display in the builder, but there isn't currently a way to have two separate minion squads in the same group that don't share a stamina pool. If you try to add a second squad of the same kind, it just doubles the count of the first squad

[solid hamlet]

today all my forgesteel data disappeared. looked in the dev tools and the IndexedDb is empty.
i didn't lose much but are there some known probable ways the DB gets cleared that I can try to avoid?
i did poke around in the dev tools the other day just to see what was in there, but i didn't change anything
i'm on Edge, if that matters and Edge/Windows did recently do an update

[urban hollow]

May have been due to the update; the main ways data disappears are (a) using a different machine (b) using a different browser (c) using Safari and not opening the app for some indeterminate amount of time (maybe a month?)

[digital timber]

@exotic arch if you want to review the updates as an extra set of eyes: https://github.com/andyaiken/forgesteel/pull/712

[exotic arch]

Will do today

[tidal valley]

I also lost all of my characters from the app, even though I’d used it within the past week 😢

[solid hamlet]

exporting early and often moving forward, for sure

[delicate saffron]

That's very sad, I'm glad it isn't much.
I think top on my wishlist is a "group" export (and import) feature. I've got copies of all my player's characters and a bunch of pregens I've made for new tables. It would be convenient to export them all at once, or party by party, as either data or PDFs.

[tidal valley]

Mine was Safari on my iPad.

It’s too much of a pain in the butt to export in Safari on the iPad. It doesn’t just download—I have to download then open from the download menu in the browser (otherwise it’s saved in some sort of limbo) and then when I save the file it’s always appended with .json, which I then have to remove for the file to be useful. I lost a bunch of characters.

[solid hamlet]

Files app -> Downloads, should be where the json file goes. Should save you one step, at least. 🙂

[exotic arch]

And by today I mean today actually, but I see it was merged already — looks great to me anyway!

[tidal valley]

It's not. When I save those JSON files it doesn't seem to want to save them there. As I said, I have to open them from the menu then manually save them.

[wary yoke]

just tried on my iphone, I see other files be saved in downloads, but the .ds-hero file just sits in a weird limbo

[solid hamlet]

Odd, lemme try again…

Export… Download (not View)… and it’s in the Files app.

i'm on iPadOS 26.1

[spiral elk]

Ok, I know I asked this somewhere, I thought it was here, but maybe it was reddit. So, if I asked this before, I'm very sorry, but I've been searching and I can't find my question from before.

When using Forge Steel to manage initiative in combat, after I get the first turn done, and I've had each actor Act, then setting them to Finished, when I want to start the next turn, when I click the next turn button it asks me who will go first.

Problem is, if everyone is in the "finished" column no one shows up. The only way I get them to show up is if I manually set each one as Ready to Act first, and I have to do each one individually. I would have assumed clicking the Next Turn button would have automatically set everyone to ready to act, but it doesn't do so. Am I missing something, or is this something that has to be done manually for now?

If the latter, I would suggest the feature request of allowing the clicking Next Turn to either automatically or give the choice to set all actors to Ready to Act.

[urban hollow]

Are you using the initiative manager or just manually setting combatants as Ready to act / Acting / Finished?

You should never have to manually set anyone’s state (unless the standard rules are being broken by some effect)

[urban hollow]

Let me explain properly with screenshots 🙂

You should start with this screen - your encounter has both monsters and heroes, and the big button at the top is blue.

When you click it, you can tell Forge Steel who won initiative.

Then it'll prompt you to pick which monster group or hero is going to act first.

Close the sidebar, then when they've finished, click End Turn

Then you pick who goes next, and the process continues...

... until there's no-one else left to act, and you start Round 2.

Hopefully that's helpful.

[mortal mulch]

How does the "other" option in the Class Ability feature work? Is there a way to select from, say, 2 HR costing abilities if I'm making a class that has those?

[sly arch]

Does forge steel have a Reddit or it's own discord or anywhere online where people share encounters and stuff they make?

[dim turtle]

Does anyone know how to export data from Ecosia on IOS?

[urban hollow]

Ah, 'other' doesn't have any effect in this case - it's for when you're adding a custom ability to your hero, it lets you choose any ability defined by the class.

[mortal mulch]

Gotcha, so no dice on 2-cost abilities as of yet?

[urban hollow]

It might work!

[spiral elk]

Jesus christ, I figured out what I was doing wrong.

When someone is acting it says End Turn. I thought that meant End ROUND, and I didnt want the round to end until everyone acted. So I didnt click the button, not wanting to mess things up. Now I get it. Its end the current creature's turn. I feel stupid now lol!

Ok, thanks!

[mellow juniper]

Is there any way in Forge Steel to customize XP per level? I’m toying with 20XP per level instead of the standard 16 for my group’s progression.

[urban hollow]

I knew those screenshots would help!

[urban hollow]

There isn't currently, but I could add that

[mellow juniper]

That’d be awesome if not too much trouble!

[urban hollow]

Done.

[stray coyote]

Is there a way to de-level a character or do you have to make copies at each level to have a save point?

[urban hollow]

You can edit your level in the Class tab

[stray coyote]

Nice! I was just adding XP until I got the level up notice. Could not figure out how to de-level

[urban hollow]

New feature: When you're creating a homebrew kit, I've added the Tuning tab to help you make sure your kit isn't underpowered or overpowered.

[coral cobalt]

is there a way to apply a title to a hero? and to have it show up on their sheet?

[delicate saffron]

In the Hero's view, under Manage > Customize you can add titles.

[stray coyote]

I made a kit by re-naming an older kit, but it does not show up in the drop down options for the Class and I have to add it via the manage/customize tab. This leaves the Class tab "in Progress". This isn't too big a deal, but it bothers my OCD. Is this intentional or am I missing a way to have new options show up in the standard build tabs?

[graceful oasis]

hello, is there a way to translate this tool. I want to generate char sheets for my player in Polish 😄

[urban hollow]

And you added the homebrew sourcebook to the hero on the first page of the hero builder?

[stray coyote]

Like on the Library tab? It shows up there, but not on the drop down kit selection in Class. It does show up under Manage->Customize-> Kit (but then the Class shows "in progress")

[urban hollow]

On the start page of the hero builder.

[north plume]

I'm noticing a bit of a bug when editing ancestries, whenever I edit a section, the view window resets to the overview tab

idk if it's happening when editing any kind of element (classes, monsters, etc)

[rigid monolith]

Anyway to make the PDFs editable upon export? Looking to edit it manually so I can add homebrew classes and kits

[urban hollow]

Not currently, no - but you could add homebrew classes and kits in FS and export the PDF with everything included.

[rigid monolith]

Got it. Any plans on adding the play test classes to the FS?

[crystal tulip]

Currently they're not covered by the license iirc

[stray coyote]

Sorry, do you mean this page? This is the screen I get when I "build a hero"...I don't see anything here to add a "sourcebook". This probably seems basic to you as you built it...but I am lost here. Program works fine and I can get eveything to work, just hate that hanging "in progress" tab.

[delicate saffron]

When you start to edit a character, the far left tab is "Start". That's where you can select sourcebooks.

[stray coyote]

Perfect! Thank you!

[wooden valley]

As a note - playtest anything (classes, etc) will not be covered by the creator license. When they're completed projects, perhaps, but until then you'll most likely just have to plug them into your program of choice as homebrew

[rigid monolith]

If someone decides to port in Beastheart and summoner should pin that. Trying GPT but not nearly as successful as id like it to be

[exotic arch]

1. As Orph said above, Beastheart and Summoner are not currently covered under the Creator License so creating and distributing that material would be in violation
2. AI is a banned topic on the server

[rigid monolith]

Ah got it.

[exotic arch]

When/if the classes get added to the license, they'll be here

[crystal tulip]

Shot in the dark but is there a system for importing Forge Steel character json's into Roll20?

EDIT: Yes, there's a native one, ignore me haha

[prisma bolt]

Hi all, this may be a dumb question but how does Forge Steel determine who is using it? There's no account log in, so it seems to be by device? I'm just worried that if I accidentally clear my browser history or cookies or something I might lose access to my heroes

[urban hollow]

Data is stored in the browser's database; although it varies by browser and OS, generally clearing cookies or browser history doesn't remove this data. But it's always best to export your data from time to time and keep it as a backup - Safari, for example, clears the database if it's not used for a week or so.

[prisma bolt]

Good to know, thanks! I am using Safari

[solid hamlet]

export like you vote. early and often! 😄

[south rose]

hey @urban hollow I saw your post on reddit. I'm working on a class right now I plan to crowdfund in a month or two possibly. I was wondering:

1. What are you thinking UX looks like for third party stuff on Forge Steel? Is it just a sourcebook you can turn on that's otherwise hidden? Is there a Popular Now little banner on the front page? How do people know the thing is there?
2. What level of completion do you expect for something to be on proper Forge Steel? If it's a class, is it all ten levels? Or could it be the first three levels as a preview? Is there a way to promote pregens (e.g. for Delian Tomb) of a homebrew class without distributing the class itself? Are you considering, or might you consider, a Playtesting section/sourcebook for crowdsourcing playtest feedback for third party via Forge Steel?

[urban hollow]

Sensible questions.

Yes, it’d be in a new Community sourcebook probably, and yes there’d be information about it on the front page.

A full 10-level class would be fine, but a smaller preview would also be fine - the system can handle classes that don’t have 10 levels - especially if you want to sell your content elsewhere. I think preview / playtest content like that would be in a separate sourcebook.

[south rose]

Rad, then I'll definitely reach out closer to when I go to crowdfund

[exotic arch]

Any care for an approval process? Just stuff that's done and wouldn't need a lot of fiddly revisions?

[urban hollow]

The creator would get to approve before the content would go live. Unless they just trust me of course. Revisions wouldn’t be a problem.

[exotic arch]

Ooh that's great to hear, but I meant like qualification to get put into the community library at all. There's a lot of stuff cooking over in the homebrew server and I'm sure they'd all jump to be included 😅

So I presume there should be some kind of minimum standard — or not, but that's why I ask!

[urban hollow]

I was thinking there could be vote or something like that. I hope the community would self-regulate but if not I’m happy to be a benevolent tyrant. Or any sort of tyrant really.

Maybe we need a thread in the homebrew discord

[exotic arch]

I'll get a convo going over there yeah. To be clear I don't want it to be an ivory tower or to create tastemakers or anything. I just would want the community stuff to be useable, rather than a soup of stuff that'll never be finished

[south rose]

you know what would be cool is if we had an adventure-lookup style site where we could pick and choose community creations to add to a cart and then take everything in the cart and combine it into a custom sourcebook

[fair nimbus]

Even being able to do that with core Orden stuff would be useful for people who want to run in their own world, to use some but not all of the base draw steel stuff.
IE: In my world I have Time Raiders, High Elves, and Orcs from Orden, but my own versions of Humans and other ancestries that are homebrew or community content and do similar with Classes, Kits, and all the other components of characters.

[urban hollow]

Well, you could easily do that by creating a homebrew sourcebook with everything you allow

[midnight dust]

I found some inconsistency with the behavior around homebrew sourcebooks.
When you have no sourcebooks and you create a new homebrew item, it automatically creates a sourcebook named "unnamed sourcebook". Anything you create while you have this one sourcebook goes in there, even if you rename the sourcebook.
However, if you first create your own sourcebook, it will still create a new sourcebook when you create a new item. For further items you then will be able to choose which sourcebook you want your stuff in, because you have two sourcebooks.

tl;dr: If you create a sourcebook before creating the stuff that goes in it, and you have no other homebrew sourcebooks, the program doesn't realise you have a sourcebook and makes a new one.

[tidal valley]

That’s an iOS 26 change then. On 25 it behaved the way I described, which made me not bother with it for the 2 months I’ve had 26. It does work better now, but still messes up the file by adding .json

[solid hamlet]

definitely adds the .json which is why i always try to avoid custom extensions for well-known file types because browsers LOVE to be 'helpful' 🙂

[upper cypress]

Hey @urban hollow the UI highlight for the stats in the dark mode is not working when hovering on them. Don't know if that's intended or not.

[urban hollow]

It's a bit too subtle. Try now.

[upper cypress]

Can see it now thenks

[spiral elk]

With the encounter builder, it shows how difficult it is for 4 characters at a specific level. How do I change the expected # and level of the characters so I can see what difficulty it is expected to be?

For example, the example encounter, dragon attack, shows it as a hard encounter, almost extreme, for 4 characters of level 1. What if they were 5 at level 1, or 3 at level 2? I'd like to see that calculation, but can't see where to change it?

[urban hollow]

Settings, bottom right.

[upper cypress]

This section is missing from the refference.

[urban hollow]

I'll add that.

[crystal tulip]

Has anyone created a Fall of Blackbottom Module for Forge Steel?

[exotic arch]

That would be in violation of the Creator License

[crystal tulip]

Ah of course, it's playtest, sorry!

[spiral elk]

dude i swear, every time. i must be blind. THIS time I was looking at the encounter runner, not encounter/montage difficulty, in the settings.

I think I'm going senile. THANKS!

[urban hollow]

Age comes for us all eventually.

[spiral elk]

lol true

[sage vapor]

I remember there being a button, to have a hero be updated incase there were updates made to the class they are using, is that still an option?

[exotic arch]

It should be automatic now

[sage vapor]

Unfortunately not, unless I reselect the class as far as I've experienced

[urban hollow]

If the app can find the original ancestry / class / etc, it'll be updated to the newest version.

[dawn geyser]

Are there any plans to add retainers, including custom ones, to the library (and then to include them in parties alongside heroes) for use during play? (Or to print out a retainer sheet [mini character sheet] for use, by a player, at the table?)

[urban hollow]

Retainers are currently lumped in with monsters, but I might move them

[muted coral]

Is there a way to transfer characrers from forge steel to foundry atm?

[urban hollow]

I don't know, I'm afraid, I haven't used Foundry.

[upper cypress]

On mobile the side panel looks a bid smooshed.

[urban hollow]

Yeah, it will do, unless you rotate.

The app is pretty good about modifying itself to fit in different size screens, but... I mean, there are limits!

[upper cypress]

Understandable

[rough halo]

All front end web dev who have to ever deal with responsiveness nod in agreement 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[dawn geyser]

If you want to create a custom monster (say, a new goblin variant who we'll call "Goblin Stabber"), do you have to create a duplicate monster group ("Goblin") and then add only that single monster's (the variant's) entry to that group? Or is there a way to add new monsters to an existing monster group?

[delicate saffron]

Is there an intended way to extract/export images that have been added to a character? The .ds-hero file has it embedded but I don't see a clear way to get that image for use in an external program. I was able to get it by right-clicking on the token icon on the character select screen and saying "open image in new tab", but that doesn't seem like an intentional way.

[urban hollow]

You’d have to create a group first

[urban hollow]

Would that be helpful? Whoever created the hero would probably have access to the file they used.

[delicate saffron]

I doubt there is a widespread need for it and the work-around method is there. I was mostly just curious if there was something less obscured that I was missing. I'm sure the creator has it, I was trying to make something as a surprise though, so didn't want to ask directly.

[lament meteor]

I'm going to be running the Delian Tomb here in 5 hours or so. Does someone have the encounters entered that I could use?

[exotic arch]

That is unfortunately a violation of the Creator License

[mortal mulch]

so with this new update, homebrew abilities that cost something other than 0, 3, 5, etc. don't even appear on the side anymore. Is there a way to change that that I'm missing?

[lament meteor]

Well that sucks. 👎 I've been very generous with MCDM, but I'll still have to re-enter all the data. 🙄

[mortal mulch]

I mean, it's not their service, ya know? They said the Delian Tomb will be free on the codex for people who bought the pdf when it comes out.

if I'm remembering correctly anyways...

[urban hollow]

On the side of where?

[mortal mulch]

When I’m editing the class on desktop under the abilities tab

Only the signatures drop down shows up

Like on the “preview” half of the screen

[urban hollow]

I’ll look into it

[mortal mulch]

Thank you 🙏

[delicate saffron]

For exported character sheets, it looks like they are just images, correct? Meaning you can't search for specific text or copy text from them. Or am I missing a setting somewhere? I can OCR them but that's never 100% reliable.

[digital timber]

Correct, it doesn't have text metadata or anything like that. The PDFs are best for just printing

[ancient stream]

Does anyone have experience with the level editing function on monsters? How does it hold up in practice?

I'm planning to use DS to run a 3rd party 5e campaign and want to know if that function will be good enough that I can just pick the most flavorful monster choice and adjust level as needed to represent the creatures the party will face.

I dont feel quite confident enough to just homebrew monsters myself so I'm hoping this tool is enough to prep the game

[dawn geyser]

Found a misnamed monster in Forge Steel's library. The Dwarf monster "Servitor War Worker" should actually be named "Servitor War Walker".

[urban hollow]

It uses the official rules for modifying monsters by level, so it should hold up!

[urban hollow]

I'll sort that out.

[exotic arch]

It holds up by what the official rules say, but the official rules are a liiittle misleading. Even disregarding that many monsters don't quite match the math provided, higher-level monsters have more generally debilitating design, effects, and capabilities

If you are downleveling stuff within an echelon, it should be okay, but going more than 2 or 3 levels or across echelons in general will cause the gap to skew

[mortal fossil]

encounter builder -> monsters left side looks like the theme broke, is this just for me locally or did something update recently?

can work around with light mode

[urban hollow]

I'll sort that out.

[south rose]

Is there a way to HTML-format manually to get that boxed look of the potencies that automatically happens? I'm doing a table in a text section and it's not formatting the potency automatically

[exotic arch]

You want backticks

P<Average

[south rose]

perfect, thank you!

[exotic arch]

Does bolding work like that? P<Average

Ooh it does

[south rose]

ooo

[exotic arch]

Put the ** outside the backticks

[urban hollow]

Hi all - if you'd like to suggest content to be added to Forge Steel, I've set up a form - it's here: https://forms.office.com/r/mmxqfnFzx4

[exotic knot]

Where do I go to customize what options I want to print off with my character sheet again, please?

Like if I want the standard abilities to print off with it or not, etc.

[wary yoke]

settings -> heroes general -> show standard abilities -> custom

[exotic knot]

Ty.

[exotic knot]

I like that we can print separately now a list of the standard actions outside our actual character sheet. The only thing that is missing that we used to have are the general cheat sheet entries for During the Move, Concealment, Critical Hit, Roll vs. Multiple Creatures, High Ground, Opportunity Attack, Move Actions, Flanking, Dying and Death, Shifting, Edges and Banes, Difficult Terrain, Invisible Creatures, Cover.

Is there any way to print off those general rule references that aren't specific action types?

[digital timber]

Not yet, but that is something I'd like to add at some point

[mortal mulch]

I see that you've gotten unusually costed abilities to appear in the preview of a homebrew class' abilities tab, thanks a ton! Would it be possible to allow for the Class Ability feature type to access specifically costed abilities the same way rather than just 3, 5, 7, etc.?

[urban hollow]

That shouldn’t be too difficult

[timid bluff]

Is there a place where I can see where the different non-official content comes from so I can go and buy it and get the money to the people that made the things I'm using?

[south rose]

it's been mentioned a few times here and there in passing, but I'd like to bump it while I'm thinking of it: I have a homebrew class in a sourcebook and a Lv 3 hero made with that class. If I got into edit the class just to change some wording in a Text feature, and that's it. Save it. Go to my character. It does not recognize or implement the change until I deselect and reselect the class (and redo all my class decisions)

[urban hollow]

Ah, I think I see the issue. That update happens when the app is loaded - so it'll update your heroes when you refresh the app. I'll see how much it affects performance if it happens when you save a library element.

[south rose]

No worries if not, now that I know the workaround. I have no problem refreshing, shoulda tried that!

[urban hollow]

Try now.

[south rose]

Works great! Thank you!

[upper cypress]

Can the ray of wrath ability also be in the free strike tab similar to hurl element of elementalist?

[urban hollow]

Should be there now.

[urban hollow]

The aranox, boggit, and solar ancestries are all now included in Forge Steel. With, I imagine, more to come!

[rough halo]

Is there anyway to change the levelup xp threshold to anything other than the default?

[urban hollow]

Settings, bottom right of the screen

[merry grove]

Abilities that are not from the characters class seem to not be saved correctly (Customize -> Class Ability). Whenever i reopen forge steel they are lost/unselected. The same thing happens on export and import.

[delicate saffron]

Was there a form to report minor typos/bugs in Forge Steel? Or just the form to submit custom content? (Also, that might be a good post to sticky here.)
If no form: In the Rival 7 Malice ability "Check Out Our Loot", "damage" is misspelled as "damange" in one place.

[urban hollow]

If you look in the About screen, there are links for reporting bugs and requesting new features. That of course hasn’t stopped people using the custom content form for bugs and feature requests! But posting here is fine too.

[signal bane]

I've been using the Forge Steel tool to build sample encounters, as it came highly recommended. However I've run into a problem in that the app starts to say my encounters are too strong, even if I still have EV to spend. I also ran the first fight in Road To Broadhurst through it and that too is described as too hard. I theorize that the Broadhurst encounter balances out because the enemies aren't interested in a straight fight. But it is certainly making me scratch my head. I know that each class of monster (horde, platoon etc) is supposed to be matched to a certain number of heroes. But if I do that, I have plenty of EV left.

I figured out the answer! When it told me the group was too strong the app wasn't talking about the encounter as a whole, just that particular enemy group on the initiative. I was trying to put a leader and a platoon brute and a platoon ambusher in the same initiative group!

[wary yoke]

glad you managed to work it out

[signal bane]

Me too. I definitely feel like I'm stumbling through a lot as I get ready to run the game but I'm enjoying the process and I'm not anxious about it right now, which is pretty nice.

I appreciate your help. Sometimes I guess I just need to talk (type?) my way through a problem.

[wary yoke]

rubber ducking strikes again

[signal bane]

I don't know what that was and I looked it up and I love it as a term.

[mellow echo]

it is a pretty big idea in a lot of software development is my understanding

I started doing when it after after the professor in my C class told us about it and it's been so useful for so much of my problem solving

[exotic arch]

Works in fiction writing too 😉

[signal bane]

A friend who does a lot of fiction writing talks through all kinds of plots with me so I'm definitely a little yellow and rubbery.

[tepid totem]

Looks like there is minor styling issue here:

[nimble halo]

woah

[signal bane]

So I'm in the application, specifically the encounter builder. At the top it tracks the difficulty of the encounter so I know when I've gone too far. But it seems stuck at 4 heroes at level 1? I don't know how to add victories or levels to up the EV budget.

[fringe rivet]

Settings button in the bottom right

Under Encounter/Montage Difficulty

[signal bane]

If it was a snake it woulda bit me

Thanks

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[quartz vessel]

Is there a trick to importing a battlemap and setting a grid size that matches the wall vertices, and lining those up?

[urban hollow]

If your map has a border around it, then it depends whether that border is a whole number of squares wide - if it is, then it’s just a case of counting the width and height of the map in squares, but if it isn’t, it’ll never line up.

[south rose]

is there a way currently to add traits to an Animal stat block that's a companion/mount?

[terse crystal]

Hey, has anyone made a Forge Steel module for the current Summoner Build?

[delicate saffron]

It's not in the Draw Steel license, so even if it has been made, it can't be shared yet. Maybe when they officially release it they will update the license to include it.

[terse crystal]

Thank you!

[quartz vessel]

OK, I have a tactical map, an encounter, and some heroes. So in Session, how do I put the heroes and combatants on the map or move things around?

[south rose]

forge steel isn't a vtt, afaik you need another app for that. Like owlbear rodeo

[ancient stream]

The roll20 DS sheet can import Forgesteel sheet data.

I used it for a oneshot recently.

[quartz vessel]

so what is the tactical map section for then?

I figured out that I could put all of those things into a Plot Point - but then couldn't discern what to do with it.

[solid hamlet]

Minis tab... Add @quartz vessel

[quartz vessel]

Getting this shortly after ForgeSteel tries to open. Cleared cache; didn't help.

[quartz vessel]

semi-solved: opened in Chrome instead of Edge. But it worked in Edge until tonight.

[timid bluff]

Just heard in a Matt stream today that the Summoner will be out next week. Can't wait.

[delicate saffron]

This will be the first Black Friday where I actually get something in a LONG time. Summoner and Fall of Blackbottom!

[nocturne niche]

One of my players encountered an issue with Forge Steel. They're playing a Tactician and the die roller isn't factoring in the kit damage bonus on rolls. Is there a way to enable that?

[exotic arch]

Can you clarify — the die roller shouldn't be interacting with damage bonuses. Do you just mean the damage bonus isn't appearing properly in the ability tiers?

[sonic matrix]

Super random, but would be neat if there were public stats available 🤔 Ie: most used classes, ancestry, etc.

[nocturne niche]

Correst, the tiers damage doesn't add the kit bonus.

[wary yoke]

Which kit, what abilities, what damage are they seeing, what damage do they expect? As far as I understand all the bonuses should be included automatically

[south rose]

idk exactly how github io works, but wouldn't you need a server for this kind of thing? To send the data from users? Would be super cool though

[nocturne niche]

He has two kits, Mountain and Swashbuckler. We found the issue on his Hammer and Anvil ability, which wasn't getting either kit's damage bonus.

Our current suspicion is that there's a feature to apply one of them but we haven't found it.

[exotic minnow]

Is Forge Steel down? I'm getting an error when my computer came out of sleep and I hit Refesh to check on an issue I was seeing on the page.

[wary yoke]

ah, overlapping bonuses
there was a discussion about it here #1284267513084903485 message (scroll up for the start)

[exotic minnow]

So all of the characters that I created on my computer were stored as cookies? I cleared the cookies and got back into Forge Steel by all of my characters are gone.

[wary yoke]

they are not stored as cookies, but they are stored in your browser's local cache, yes

[fair nimbus]

It is the most common troubleshooting step for browser issues, so it would be good to have a better warning/easier backup everything method. Been like this since day one because it's got way lower overhead.

[nocturne owl]

It's natural to be frustrated when something like that happens. But please find a different way to express it. Forge Steel is an entirely free and public tool made by a volunteer for the same reason you're using it, you both like DS.
I'm not saying you can't make feature requests or say you wish it was done differently, but do it in a less judgy way.

[urban hollow]

Appreciated

[urban hollow]

To help, I've added a new link - https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/backup, which will show you all your content; click on things to download them.

[ashen kiln]

I get that you are annoyed at finding this out only now, but it seems pretty clear there is no other way to do this unless you would have to sign in to forge steel and it would store stuff on a seperate server. The way to save your stuff has just been to download it and have it locally (or on the cloud service you use). Thanks Andy for making it easier to save everything at the end of a session though.

[solid hamlet]

I believe this is a typo in the Rival Null monster data... Numb should be a maneuver

[fair nimbus]

I wasn't complaining, I was responding to a complaint and offering constructive feedback.
Thanks Andy for making an incredible tool for the community and always trying to improve it when you have new ideas.

[ashen kiln]

Yeah, sorry, that should have rather been towards the original poster.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[timid bluff]

Hey friends, just an observation: since the 12.0 update. In dark mode at least, when on a character, the blue rings in the top right stay blue while the background goes blue when you hover your pointer over them. For me that just leaves the white numbers. If that's intended and I'm a moron, please disregard.

Love this tool. Love this community!

[robust ginkgo]

Greetings all! is anyone else having trouble with Forge Steel loading up in Google Chrome? Seems to work fine for me in Microsoft Edge.

It's just kinda hanging at the initial loading screen

[solid hamlet]

control-shift-I for the developer tools, iirc. the console tab might be handy to report any errors

[robust ginkgo]

Thanks for responding, this is what i'm looking at!

Is it possible that because I haven't updated windows, and that little angry yellow dot is hanging out by my "shutdown" button, that THAT is causing this?

[solid hamlet]

i wouldn't think so. maybe something got corrupted in your Chrome local storage, but your Edge version is fine...? just a random guess

i'd export your data outta edge asap, though 🙂

[dawn geyser]

Is a Retainer's mini-sheet/stat block included on the mentor's (PC's) classic (PDF) sheet?

[sly arch]

What's the reasoning behind removing the playbook and putting all its stuff into the library?

Literally just happened as I was editing an adventure, I was very confused

[urban hollow]

Open your developer console and let me know if anything is shown there

[urban hollow]

It will let people share encounters and adventures more easily.

[robust ginkgo]

Thanks for replying Andy! I’ll message tomorrow morning hopefully! (US Central)

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[wary yoke]

@urban hollow looks like there's some errors with the Thorn Dragon statblock

• it's listed as EV40 instead of EV48
• Thorny Scales is shown as a triggered action instead of a free triggered action
• The M<2 text in Thorny Scales doesn't seem formatted quite right

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[frigid dirge]

Hey! Does Forge Steel have any functionality for leveling up monsters per the guidelines in the monster book on pages 26-27? (apologies if this has been asked before! I could not find it in the discord log or on forge steel, but I'm on a phone and away from the laptop for a few hours)

[urban hollow]

Yes, in the encounter builder you can customize a creature by adjusting its level

In the monster builder you can see the monster’s suggested stats for its level

[dawn geyser]

If a PC has a retainer, does the retainer's stat block appear the classic view character sheet?

[digital timber]

yes

[dawn geyser]

Hmm... I'm not seeing the retainer's details at all--that is, unless I am incorrectly adding/associating the retainer with my hero. I'm using the Manage -> Customize -> Retainer -> Select method of adding the retainer to the PC. Separately, does a retainer "level up" when the retainer's controlling mentor/PC levels up? If so, I'm not seeing that either. 🙁

[digital timber]

okay, that might be a bug in the sheet, then. I'll investigate

[wild kestrel]

so some third party content has made its way into the sheet and im not sure how to turn that off. Anyone have a tip?

[exotic arch]

Library > Sourcebooks > Eye buttons

If you mean literally on the sheet, disable the sourcebooks in the character editor

Under Start

[wild kestrel]

its in the magic item select on the sheet, had players come to a oneshot with some and the same items are in my default sheet

[south rose]

But the Triglav stuff is really good, trust

[exotic arch]

Might just be a bug then 🤔 What items?

[wild kestrel]

nothing is tabbed on there but a bunch of stuff from a jacob taylor

[exotic arch]

Yep, seeing those too. Looks like a bug (no pun intended)

[urban hollow]

Maybe fixed? Refresh and let me know.

[delicate saffron]

I can turn it off, so if that was the issue it appears to be fixed. I see it in the Blacksmith's Guild sourcebook.
Related question, would it be possible to have third party sourcebooks be turned off by default? Opt-in instead of opt-out. I love to see it, but if I tell a new player to "build a character, here's a tool", I would prefer not to have to tell them how to turn off 3rd party stuff to do that.

[urban hollow]

It is off by default

[delicate saffron]

Really? Ok, I see. I was looking in the Library and they are all visible. When I go to create a character they are off. So, it's probably just the library that automatically shows 3rd party stuff.

[tepid totem]

I encountered this today too, they are on by default when in "Library"

[dawn geyser]

This is all I see in the "Other Features & Reference" box. I've tried with both standard retainers, from the Monsters book, as well as custom/homebrew retainers.

I was hoping that the retainer's features/abilities would be listed on the (mentor's) character sheet for easy reference during tabletop play (sans computer).

[south rose]

I would love to have an animal retainer with traits I can select. Feature request!

[fringe rivet]

dark mode is bugged with these new text boxes

[urban hollow]

All sourcebooks (including third party and homebrew content) are shown by default in the library - that's a feature, not a bug. Only official sourcebooks are enabled by default when creating a hero.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[digital timber]

you're correct it absolutely should, working on it

[solid hamlet]

It looks like Custom Titles are not de/serializing properly?
My players noted an issue so I whipped up a title. Everything looks good. Exported the data and it's there. Closed all my browser windows and came back in and it's gone.

[urban hollow]

I’ll look into it

[crystal imp]

sorry if this has been answered before, but I created a homebrew sourcebook a couple of months ago with some homebrew ancestries. if I try to edit an ancestry to use “ancestry points” and go to the points tab and change the number of points available it just shows “NaN”

do I need to recreate them entirely?

[urban hollow]

I’ll look into this too

[analog pelican]

Hey gang, one of my players got this error which seems to have happened before, so i was wondering if there was a fix for it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1354490504242266162/1442667563795480659/image.png?ex=6926445e&is=6924f2de&hm=a784bc300efd5a3be28dd3bd1cd33f45cd8ff50692c8ae61ce71bd1a0f71a83f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2502&height=152

[digital timber]

I'm not sure if there's a known fix for that, I've never encountered it myself. Any guidance on how to reproduce it? That usually helps a ton for tracking down issues so they can get fixed

[robust ginkgo]

I got the same error! Andy Aiken was kind enough to coach me through the troubleshooting!

Have your friend completely clear the cache, browsing history, etc.. everything. See if that works. (I know, it’s the equivalent of asking “is it plugged in?” But that’s what did it.)

[analog pelican]

Thank you, I'll pass this along

They ended up getting this error, so progress?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1354490504242266162/1442708249005523025/image.png?ex=69266a42&is=692518c2&hm=9e181f52d825e39b36193f50fefb9b1edf48e6962ccd19033e8e51c4a1a451b4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=816&height=192

[sonic matrix]

Note that if they clear their data they'll lose their characters

[urban hollow]

Open the browser console and send me any error you see there; then go to the backup page and export any data; then clear cache

[digital timber]

Just as a thought experiment, I was trying to think how something like this might be captured. The simple solution would be just count created characters, but would that accurately represent the spread of played characters? Or would numbers be too skewed by people just crafting random characters in the app that never make it to the table?

[azure iron]

I'm using Forge Steel and for the life of me, cannot figure out how to add an encounter, montage or negotiation into an adventure. I know it's possible because I've done it, but when I go to add Content to a Plot Point the only option is text, picture, power roll, library element. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

[solid hamlet]

Your Encounters should be in the Library and listed as a Library Element...?

[azure iron]

Ah yes, they are. When I clicked on library element i just got a huge drop down with every element in the game, without a search bar i was a bit lost. Could've sworn there was a button to just add encounters or montages before, but maybe I'm tripping. Thanks!

How do y'all keep track of Solo monsters having multiple turns? Do you just add multiple monsters and remember which one is used to track Stamina, etc?

[urban hollow]

Forge Steel is clever enough to know that some monsters get to act more than once

[solid hamlet]

The search/filter for Library Elements is definitely needed. It looks like personal homebrew is at the end of the list at the moment

[dawn geyser]

Today's deployment (12.12.0) appears to prevent a custom retainer from being added to a hero (it's no longer listed in select list when managing a hero; it was listed yesterday). 🙁

Attached is the export of the custom retainer.

[worthy halo]

Hey Andy - Just noticed..
Khoursirian Polder, humans Distant offshoot of Khamish

This is found in Forge Steel like this:
KhoursirianSpoken in Khoursir; a distant offshoot of Khamish.

Not sure if this is intentional (maybe it is?) Just to let you know if you did not already know.

[azure iron]

It sure is! Thanks Andy! Great work

[urban hollow]

And is that sourcebook (that the retainer lives in) enabled for that hero?

[digital timber]

should be fixed now

[digital timber]

just a heads up for folks - I'm starting a beta for a data storage backend for Forge Steel, if you are familiar with docker and want to get early access, check out more info over here. My plan is to work with Andy to get any major bugs worked out and get a user-friendly and easy to use version widely available as soon as we can, because I know how much people have been wanting this kind of feature!

[idle shoal]

Bug report. The human warrior retainer has its stability listed as 3, when in the monsters book its 0

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[delicate scaffold]

Trying to use Forge Steel on my iPad and I keep getting this screen

[urban hollow]

Let me check

Try refreshing now.

[delicate scaffold]

Hey, it worked!

Thanks for the fix!

[dawn geyser]

That was it. Thx.

[lost sierra]

Does anyone know if there are available forge steel imports that have the encounters for the delian tomb?

[exotic arch]

Adventures are not covered under the license so distributing that material would be in violation

[azure iron]

It would be real cool if MCDM would disseminate these with the pdfs.

Cuz I bet there's at least 10 people with the entire thing in their library.

[solid hamlet]

Hey, no cutting in line. You gotta plug it in like the rest of us! 🙂

[round axle]

What is the method for re-categorizing characters into a different character group?

[exotic arch]

Edit > Details

[wild kestrel]

Since summoner is paired with FoB does that mean no FS support?

[exotic arch]

Andy is in talks with MCDM about the new classes I believe, but at the moment no

The bones of the class are in there for homebrewing tho

[dawn geyser]

"FoB"?

(All these kids with their crazy lingo. Get off my lawn! 😉)

[urban hollow]

We’ll all find out when we find out!

[exotic arch]

Fall of Blackbottom

[dawn geyser]

D'oh! (Yeah, now I understand the "paired with" phrasing.) Thx.

Hopefully, Summoner will be included as part of the DS creator license. (That's the key here after all.)

[urban hollow]

Hope so, but you know as much as I do.

[tepid totem]

Would it be possible to add some label to encounter (and other entries) that would show sourcebook it is located in?

[urban hollow]

Yes sure.

[tepid totem]

Oh I just found a bug I think. I tried using "Move" button and selected "In a new sourcebook" and my encounter disappeared from the list (there was no popup or input to name the new sourcebook)

[tepid totem]

It actually happens even if I move to existing sourcebook. Fortunately it comes back after refresh. But still not moved to another sourcebook

aaand delete is also broken. Sounds like a lot of issues, could it be problem on my end?

[urban hollow]

I’ll see what I can find

[exotic arch]

@wild kestrel We know a bit more now lol #ds_general message

[urban hollow]

Should all be fixed now.

[urban hollow]

I love the way Matt introduces Forge Steel in the Community Creations video - 'you already know about Forge Steel, everybody uses it'. 🙂

[pearl laurel]

I was curious if they use it internally. It's insane that you've made a tool that works better than D&D beyond for free 👏

[exotic arch]

They do! Or they did at least, they may be mostly on the Codex now

But even from early playtests and CRY HAVOC and stuff they were talking about Forge Steel, it's so good

[sonic matrix]

It was very helpful for last minute testing pivots "New Summoner version got sent over, can everyone throw together a level 3 character quick for todays testing session"

[dawn geyser]

FYI: While editing a custom monster group's (Retainer's) entry while in dark mode (appearance setting), I noticed that some of the content (e.g. labels, tabs, etc.) were not displaying properly; in light mode, that same content was visible/readable.

[dawn geyser]

Another minor formatting issue on the classic sheet with a custom retainer with an ability having a potency: the backticks (`) are shown even though the potency is already rendered correctly. (Screenshot captured at 150% browser zoom to show the backtick characters.)

[urban hollow]

Probably fixed now.

[digital timber]

which ability/feature/whatever is this?

[proper oriole]

I seem to have encountered a bug on Forge Steel, wherein the bonus damage from Blade of Quintessence is not being correctly added to skills:

For context, this is for a level 9 shadow

IWBA should benefit from the bonus damage given by the BoQ, but it is not getting it.

Double Strike is reflecting the bonus properly

[dawn geyser]

The editing page elements are fixed, but now this happens (the underlying text is there if I 'mouse over' it):

[dawn geyser]

This (see attached custom retainer):

@digital timber Follow-up character sheet with a retainer question... for a lower-level retainer (say, a retainer who has "leveled up" to level 5 alongside their mentor): should their higher-level abilities (here, the levels 7 & 10 abilities) be displayed since they don't actually have access to those abilities yet?

[digital timber]

I kept the display initially to maintain the visual look from the book, but you're right it probably doesn't make sense to include them since it's not like the hero sheet shows other 'future' stuff

[urban hollow]

Also probably fixed now.

[ancient stream]

Maybe the wrong place to ask but who can I reach out to about the roll20 Draw Steel sheet? The Forgesteel import function of that sheet misses several bits of info. Ended up just using Forgesteel last night because players were getting confused with the roll20 sheet.

[urban hollow]

I don't know I'm afraid.

[exotic arch]

This one? https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1435703834784825584

[daring forge]

@primal holly

[primal holly]

Hi. Thanks for giving it a try. We put a disclaimer on there because it is very hard to translate the data from Forge Steel into what Roll20 wants. So it doesn’t get everything for now I am afraid.

Maybe one day in the near future. But there are only two of us working on it and it is a tough thing to do

[upper cypress]

The inline code for the text box is making the text white in the dark mode.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[digital timber]

looks like a lot of the dark mode styling got 'lost' in the upgrade to antd v6:

[dawn geyser]

Heh, I was actually about to post that same screenshot. 🙂

[upper cypress]

I was trying to make a rival summoner in forge steel. Is ther any way I can add the minions with the malice values? Should I jurst add a text on the statblock with the malice cost?

[upper cypress]

Features getting cropped.

[digital timber]

could you post the data for that? It helps me replicate and debug

[upper cypress]

okok

[urban hollow]

There'll be a few things I expect. There's been less than I imagined there might be.

[tepid totem]

another dark mode styling issue: folder input in character editor uses white font making it invisible

[digital timber]

it looks like this has custom monsters in it? I'll need the sourcebook export as well in order to reproduce

[wooden valley]

Hi! Does this contain text from the Summoner class.

[upper cypress]

Not from the class, it does contain some text from the summoner retainer tho. Should I remove it?

[wooden valley]

Not a lawyer, but the summoner isn't covered by the creator license, so prob not

[upper cypress]

Cool will remove this from here.

[terse crystal]

Now that Summoner is officially out, when do we think it'll be added to Forge Steel, if at all?

[digital timber]

once it is included in the creator's license

[exotic arch]

See here #ds_general message

[terse crystal]

Makes perfect sense.

[urban hollow]

The current suggestion is in around 6-8 months time, depending on how well it sells. So if you were to commit a shoplifting crime (edit: and were immediately sentenced), you'd probably be out in time, but anything more serious than that, and you're likely to miss the summoner being added to Forge Steel.

[sage blade]

Have you had any talks with the mcdm folks about possibly adding a forge steel json file to the PDF downloads you get when you buy the summoner?

[south rose]

there's a FS character import to the codex. In a perfect world, there'd simply be a FS export as well

[lost sierra]

I'm running for two different groups. Is there any way to make a second party in forge steel so that I can keep them separated?

[south rose]

someone could make that plugin, probably

[south rose]

https://tenor.com/view/offspring-come-out-and-play-comedy-meme-gif-18234878

[lost sierra]

Gub- exactly what I thought but I didn't think anyone would get it lol

[digital timber]

I use folders for separating different groups of heroes

[urban hollow]

Yes you can create as many folders as you like

[urban hollow]

A better use of your time might be to visit every country for a single day each, which would more or less be about 200 days. (by country I mean a sovereign state that’s a member of the UN in its own right)

… it’s been a long day

[eternal wave]

Forge steel is stored on the browser, not on the local computer, right? I’m getting a new computer and I don’t want to lose my characters 😭

[digital timber]

you can export your data to transfer between browsers (or just backup)

[eternal wave]

Oh fantastic

[digital timber]

depending on your comfort level with technical stuff, you might also check out Forge Steel Warehouse: https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1443181197931970582

[eternal wave]

Thank you, but I’m not a technical person at all with computers

[delicate saffron]

You can at least download your stuff with this tool that Andy made: https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/backup Importing after you change is easy too.

[urban hollow]

Definitely export backups before you change computers or browsers

[lost sierra]

How do I create a new folder for a different party of heroes? I don't see any way on the heroes screen. All I see is create a new hero, import a hero or use a premade. On the library tab, I don't see the heroes on that screen that already exist, so I'm assuming it's not there either. Thanks I'm using Chrome btw

[urban hollow]

Edit a hero. On the last page of the hero builder, set the folder.

[dawn geyser]

Another dark mode text bug (landing page @ creators):

[upper cypress]

T3 result should be push 4 not push 3

[upper cypress]

Another darkmode artifact.

[urban hollow]

All fixed (or were already fixed)

[tender vector]

Im sure this is way too complex but I figured id just ask.

Is it possible to get a "create your own" ancestry button where you can take features from different ancestries and combine them?

Either way thank you for all the hard work. Cheers.

[wild kestrel]

The simplest way to do it is to customize your character and add any racial features you want while not finishing your racial tab in CC

[urban hollow]

I have something like that on my list of feature ideas, yes.

[dawn geyser]

For those of you who have used Forge Steel to play Draw Steel online (using the "Session" features), how have you found the online play aspect of it? I worry that the shared Player View browser window (shared via Zoom, Google Meet, Teams, etc.) puts the burden on the Director to move the minis (both PCs & enemies), roll the dice (again, for everyone), et cetera--in addition to the normal track the enemies' actions, stamina, Malice, etc. I'm guessing (hoping) that I'm missing something obvious, what is it?

[ancient stream]

I use roll20 on one monitor and Forge Steel on another. Players still move, track, and roll for their own tokens

[dawn geyser]

So, you don't use Forge Steel's tactical maps? You use Roll20 for the visual bits: map, tokens/minis, dice, et cetera, and you use Forge Steel for the Director's enemy tracking parts. (Or am I misinterpreting what you meant?)

[pearl laurel]

Same for me but with Owlbear

[ancient stream]

Yes. Roll20 has a DS sheet now but its a little wonky so some players use that and others use forgesteel + rolling manually in roll20

Players track their own stuff, and Director tracks monsters + initiative on Forgesteel encounters

[dawn geyser]

How might one go about adding an "object" (with its own stamina and zero or more [0+] immunities and/or weaknesses) to an Encounter in Forge Steel? Say, for example, in an encounter that players are facing an evil shaman and the shaman's minion undead, plus the shaman has/controls some "object" (call it an unholy altar) which has its own base stats (stamina, etc.); if the PCs destroy the unholy altar, then that hurts their enemies. What's best way to go about implementing an encounter-based object (which has some basic stats) in Forge Steel?

[south rose]

Special Perks are in! Thank you Andy!

[urban hollow]

It’s probably a custom monster or terrain object I’d imagine

[muted coral]

is there a way to filter search for psionic items on forge steel?

[gritty notch]

Is there an account system or something that Im missing? All of my encounters and heroes just got deleted.

[sonic matrix]

Data is stored locally in your browser

[gritty notch]

Is there a way to save data back ups of everything? Or is it only individually?

[subtle mason]

Is it possible to flag new characters in Forge Steel using the Delian Tomb 'slow start' limitations, so the player does not see the choices which don't apply at the start?

[craggy hare]

is there a way to decrease/increase the resource cost of abilities in forge steel? like if you have the follow in footsteps complication or complete the improve control project?

[south rose]

I think you can do like /backup in the url and you can download everything all at once

Yeah here #1284267513084903485 message

[urban hollow]

Make sure you're using the same browser, on the same device. You can export backups here: https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/backup

[urban hollow]

No that's not something FS supports currently, but I'm looking into it.

[urban hollow]

Not yet, but I've almost got that working.

[urban hollow]

You should be able to customize your non-signature ability costs now; click on the ability and switch to the Customization tab.

[distant lily]

I noticed that elementalist feature "Enchantment of Permanence" (p. 116 in Heroes book) gives +1 Stability per echelon in Forge Steel. The wording seems like it should just give a flat +1 Stabilty and only stamina bonus should stack with echelons. Is this a mistake or am I reading the feature wrong:

You gain a +6 bonus to Stamina, and this bonus increases by 6 at 4th,
7th, and 10th levels. Additionally, you gain a +1 bonus to stability.

[craggy hare]

Yay! Thank you!

Also there is a bug with abjurer's bastion not applying the one magic damage to purifying flame but it does add to weakening brand

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[opal relic]

Is there a way in Forge Steel to add a +1 Damage bonus to a character, or create a custom weapon with a +1 damage bonus?

We were digging through the customize tab and found lots of ways to add to various stats, but not that one. We found that we can customize each ability with additional damage (which is what we did), but it felt hacky.

[distant lily]

my Hakaan elementalist has the Forceful trait:

Whenever you force move a creature or object, the forced movement distance gains a +1 bonus.

But it doesn't seem to add the forced movement distance bonus to my abilities, such as Vicious Fire (p. 117 of the Heroes book). Is there a way to modify the forced movement value in the ability on my character sheet? You can modify range, damage and cost, but I couldn't find the way to add +1 to forced movement distances.

[urban hollow]

If it shows in the Features tab, then it’s not folded in to the ability calculations.

[pearl laurel]

Things are coming out a little bit jarbled on this character sheet! Did something go wrong on input?

[digital timber]

I'll take a look, but are you by chance on a high-res monitor with scaling over 100% in windows settings?

[pearl laurel]

I am not!

[digital timber]

hmm, okay - could you send me the hero data and give some info on what browser and OS you are on?

[pearl laurel]

Should be getting the hero data from my player today! I'll ask

[pearl laurel]

google chrome, OneUI 6.1, android 14, hero data coming soon

[digital timber]

okay, mobile will be tougher to debug. Ask if the issue also happens when creating the pdf on desktop

[digital timber]

since someone previously was having a similar issue on a high-dpi display in windows where their UI scale was greater than 100%, I suspect it's an issue with the render library, possibly just for fractional dpi ratios? And a mobile device would definitely have a high scale ratio

[azure iron]

What does "master class" in the class builder mean?

[exotic arch]

It's the term MCDM has applied to the Summoner, a class that is much more complex than a normal class and is designed for very experienced players

Even the Beastheart hasn't been labeled one

[azure iron]

good to know, i'm plugging the beastheart playtest in rn

[cursive plover]

Is there any chance something is broken in Forge Steel? All my encounters are suddenly empty, and if I try to import anything I see “unhandledrejection” in the log

To be more clear, when I select an encounter within an adventure, I get a blank screen that says “nothing selected”, but if I go to edit the encounter, it shows my monsters

[urban hollow]

If you can, open the browser console and send me anything that's shown there

[cursive plover]

I’m not quite sure how to do that lol. I ended up clearing my cache; luckily my sourcebooks imported fine, just the adventure file didn’t work, but I’m redoing my encounters already. I may be able to share screenshots later if it’s happening on my other device as well

[digital timber]

shouldn't post that here since that isn't covedred by the license

[cursive plover]

Good call

I can DM the adventure export to someone if that helps (and if it’s allowed for troubleshooting purposes)

[urban hollow]

Try refreshing and see if there's still a problem.

[blazing prism]

Is there a way to automatically incorporate the "Forceful" Hakaan trait (+1 to forced movement) to abilities that cause forced movement?

[cursive plover]

I still see the same thing. I’m using Safari on an iPad. I can check my PC later, I’m currently on the go so I just rebuilt what I needed for today’s session

[urban hollow]

What version of the app do you have?

[cursive plover]

12.34.0

[digital timber]

1234?! That's my luggage combination!

[urban hollow]

OK, you'd need to either (a) open your browser's developer console and send me anything that's shown there - you'll have to google how to do that because it'd different for different browsers, and / or (b) export and send your homebrew sourcebook; the adventure isn't telling me anything by itself.

[azure iron]

Does forge steel calculate potencies automatically?

like if I paste: "5 + M damage; push 3; M < average, prone" into a tier of a roll, will that M<average show up as a number on the sheet?

[urban hollow]

Put average in square brackets, then yes

[azure iron]

awesome, thanks!

what about the + M bonus on the damage? is there a way i need to format that?

[urban hollow]

No that should just work.

[azure iron]

fantastic, thanks Andy. First time plugging in custom stuff. playing a beastheart tonight!

Does it matter if there's a space? 5 + M damage versus 5+M damage?

[digital timber]

Don't think it matters

[azure iron]

Getting this error when I try and edit my Panther companion:

Is there a better way to build the companion than as a monster?

[urban hollow]

Same as above: open your browser's developer console and send me anything that's shown there - you'll have to google how to do that because it's different for different browsers

[azure iron]

this is it maybe? 😄

[vocal tiger]

Is there any way to add custom items to a character's inventory?

[wild kestrel]

library

make thv item

add as per normal

[vocal tiger]

smart ty

[opal relic]

Still stuck on this, if anyone has a suggestion? (Specifically, getting the custom +1 weapon to auto calculate without having to manually add +1 damage to each melee ability.)

[azure iron]

Feel like I'm going nuts, where do I find perks when looking at a hero's character sheet

nvm got it

[errant vigil]

I may have missed this somewhere, but is there a way to have a hero's retinue (mount,summons) show up on the 'Classic View' with like their stat block? I'm not seeing them appear there.

[azure iron]

Good question! I'm also wondering how to manage the stamina of your mounts, etc.

[digital timber]

Hmm, I may have missed mounts, but retainers and followers should show up

I'll investigate

[digital timber]

could you send me the hero data that isn't showing for you?

[errant vigil]

Sure. I very well may be just entering things wrong or assuming incorrect, but in my hero I can see the summons under my retinue tab, but when switching to the Classic View to print, they don't appear as a stat block or anything.

[digital timber]

ah okay, thanks - found the issue and will get a fix up soon

[timid bluff]

HI friends, I'm making a character and selecting a kit. I haven't made a new character in a few weeks and just noticed that the layout for kits is different now. When I click on Kits to pick one it shows each kit with the three tabs, Overiew, Stats, and Features. When I click on stats it to read that part it just selects the whole kit and takes me out of the comparison and selection mode. Is there a way to go back to how it used to be where you could see it all laid out?

[urban hollow]

No, but that sounds like a bug I need to fix

Done.

[wild kestrel]

Could we get forced movement numbers added to the things we can edit?

Stuff like hakaan and items don’t modify it in code so being able to do it ourselves would save a fair bit of mental energy over time.

[opal relic]

One last ping on this issue. I can’t even tell if it’s a bug or just user error on my part! (Or if it’s not an intended feature?)

[urban hollow]

Have you tried adding a damage bonus to weapon keyword abilities?

[blazing prism]

Ah so there is currently no way that Hakaan's forceful automatically applies to abilities? That would indeed be great if that would be added

[opal relic]

Ahhhh!!!

I think I may have it with that tip… would this work?

[urban hollow]

I’d probably include the weapon keyword, unless it should apply to all melee abilities

[digital timber]

should be fixed

[errant vigil]

@digital timber you are a saint and scholar sir! thank you!

[tepid totem]

I'm trying to prep for Arixx encounter, but the PDF doesn't fit all Arixx abilities and they're cut at the bottom of the page. Same on "classic view", even without exporting to pdf. Is there any workaround?

[digital timber]

unfortunately not at the moment. I'm guessing it's extra-big enough that switching to A4 doesn't do enough?

[tepid totem]

I'm already printing in A4 😅

(NNES) what I mean to say is that I'm already using A4 and the issue is there

[digital timber]

yeah, sorry. And unfortunately I don't think it will be a quick fix, either 😭

[tepid totem]

I guess I'll print what fits and write the rest with pen, just ~1.5 ability didn't fit so not that bad

[digital timber]

small consolation, but I'm glad getting something workable isn't too much of a hassle in the meantime

guess I gotta start using Ajax as a test Monster for checking layout

[tepid totem]

oh yes he probably has even more entries

[digital timber]

a full 2 column page in the book!

[opal relic]

Thanks!

[exotic arch]

Did these include the + previously for effects that let you spend unlimited HR? I thought they did but I may be misremembering. They should tho right? Might cause confusion #ds_director-advice message

[urban hollow]

Yes, if you see a missing plus, let me know, it’s an easy fix

[exotic arch]

That and Healing Grace

I was actually asking for the sake of TTUE, and went to check Healing Grace just to make sure it wasn't a one-off issue, funny I picked just the wrong one 😅

[tepid totem]

Similar issue, but a bit different: I'm prepping "Gilded Showdown" from Delian Tomb. This time it's not any enemy ability that's cuf off but my notes. They are positioned in one column with one of the enemies. If they were moved to another page, they would fit. But with current positioning they are cut off.

[dawn geyser]

I noticed that when you're managing your character and you start an encounter (and your character has enough heroic resources), when you use a 3-point (or 5-point) ability is the 'active character sheet' supposed to decrement your current heroic resources (i.e., subtract 3 points)? If not, is that in the plan?

[tired belfry]

Did you get this working? I'm trying to add a +1 weapon as well, and I don't know how to get to the screen in your screenshot

[opal relic]

Yes. Create a custom item, attach the “weapon” keyword, and you can apply a damage bonus. 🙂

[tired belfry]

I was able to make an item by using the "Create Homebrew Version" button on another weapon, and it's in a homebrew sourcebook, but I can't add it to a character
edit: I figured it out.

[digital timber]

Could you send me the hero data? This kind of issue is almost always because there's something off in the size calculation, and having the data makes it much easier to find the issue

[urban hollow]

Big new feature, that's taken a huge amount of work, although only a few of you will see it - if you have a familiar, or a retainer, or a mount, or you can summon minions, you can now track their stamina and conditions on your hero sheet sidebar.

[silk shuttle]

@digital timber New player here! I'm part of a campaign and am using Forge Steel Interctive View. We received 10 Victories and can level up to Level 2. I cannot for the life of me figure out how. Sorry if it's been asked before (I tried searching without luck). Suggestions? @urban hollow ?

[urban hollow]

You typically need 16 victories to level up, but you can force it by editing your hero, switching to the Class tab, and changing the level there

[silk shuttle]

I found it! You're my hero

[urban hollow]

When you have 16 victories, you’ll see a button that does it for you.

[solid hamlet]

shouldn't that technically be 16 XP...? 🙂

[azure iron]

Hell yeah! Thanks Andy.

[idle shoal]

Does this work on mobile too? I don't see it

Nevermind, figured it out

[frigid dirge]

Running into some issues with homebrew versions of monsters in Forge Steel!
On trying to edit a monster, I receive this error:

can't access property "monsters", N is undefined
This in Firefox.

In addition tried exporting the monster, switching web browser, to Chrome and went on to import the monster. But, the import-button does nothing once the file is selected. Strange!

[urban hollow]

Is this happening when you edit the monster group, or when you're editing the monster group and you switch to a monster?

Are you exporting / importing the group or an individual monster?

[mellow echo]

is there a way to add magic items to your character but change their name/keywords?

[solid hamlet]

Is it really the same item if it has a different name and keywords…. ;0

[exotic arch]

It's an extra step, but you can copy the existing one as a homebrew version, edit it, and add that

[mellow echo]

I did not know of the existence of the Library until this moment, thanks

[fringe rivet]

@urban hollow Not sure why, but the Fury currently doesn't have a Kit in the builder

wait no i think im just not seeing it cause the subclasses

forgot, my bad

[urban hollow]

Yeah, Fury is a weird one, the kit is on the subclasses.

[timid bluff]

Hey Andy, I just had a great idea! I'd love if creators could make a file supporters can download and import that would put the content in FS so we can use the material but only the people that buy it get to use it. I just looked at a class in development for DS that I'd love to back. If I was a content creator I wouldn't just post my stuff to FS because I want people to buy it. But if I'm a customer, I'd love to be able to use the stuff I've bought in FS. I certainly don't have the skill to code it myself.

Maybe the creators could use some of the crowdfunding money to pay you to code the content.

[exotic arch]

Andy is already allowing people to put partial content previews in, which basically accomplishes the same thing, no?

[south rose]

the Scion just came out today and if you buy it, you get the full 10 levels for forge steel. But there's a preview sourcebook with only 3 levels I think. So that's already a thing

[exotic arch]

Yeah and Andy is already coding people's homebrew into it if submitted. The workflow exists 🙂

[south rose]

the sourcebooks for third party even have links to the sites to buy the stuff. Works great

Andy rocks

but dont tell him I said that

[timid bluff]

The Scion is exactly what I was reffing! LOL I'm glad to hear it comes with FS stuff.

I want to buy the Scion but I wasn't going to do it if I couldn't get it into FS. Now, as soon as I can afford it, I'll get it and add it. Is it a download and import or does it get activated with a code or somehow turned on from the dev end?

Same with the Vamp that's still in development. I can't wait to get my hands on the finished product, but only having three levels was going to bum me out pretty good.

And the Solar too!!

[south rose]

when you make a character, you'll scroll to the bottom of the Start tab and click here

then you just toggle it on and you're good to go

you only have to import it once, other characters you just need to make sure it's toggled on

[fringe rivet]

The finished solars product will also have a sourcebook forge steel file for the eclipse knight ancestry and all the monsters and items!

[timid bluff]

Is the Solar ancestry that's being demoed now being replaced by the Eclipse Knight? Or is that a sub-ancestry?

[fringe rivet]

Eclipse Knights are a separate ancestry! Lore wise they’re what happens to Solars who escape black holes and have been fused with Void magic, you can see the first art of them here: #1422382518266761358 message

[timid bluff]

Oh yeah! I commented on that preliminary art the other day. I'm putting it together now... lol

[gritty notch]

Will Forge Steel have the Sourcebooks for Ancestries and Classes added like Lancer's Comp/Con? Or do I have to buy them?

[urban hollow]

For which ancestries and classes?

[gritty notch]

Any of the new ones?

[urban hollow]

As soon as they’re covered by the license, they’ll be available, for free.

[dawn geyser]

I found an issue w/ version 12.48.0. I cannot delete an old homebrew sourcebook. (The mouse pointer switches to the "not allowed" symbol.) The old sourcebook was created a while ago (~10 days, ~2 weeks ago, something like that).

In the included annotated screenshot, the bottom (old) sourcebook cannot be deleted (mouse pointer switches and delete button cannot be pressed); the top sourcebook (created today as a test) can be deleted--I can press the delete button, get the confirmation, & the delete/remove the sourcebook.

I annotated the screenshot with a green check and red 'not allowed' symbol.

[urban hollow]

Probably there’s something in use - something in an encounter or an adventure.

[dawn geyser]

Yes, that was it. Thank you. Suggestion: Maybe inform users that "this sourcebook cannot be deleted while custom content is in use." Such a warning could help future users who might encounter this same behavior.

[surreal patrol]

pain point: I cannot create a bonus for a homebrew ancestry that grants a bonus equal to highest characteristic score

[south rose]

just take the square root of their level, round up, and add 1. Very simple

[urban hollow]

Highest characteristic will I think always be 2, then 3 at lvl 4, then 4 at lvl 7, then 5 at lvl 10

[digital timber]

unless there's other homebrew stuff that gives characteristic bonuses

[urban hollow]

But actually, if you create a bonus feature and add all the characteristics to it, it should automatically calculate that as the highest characteristic.

[surreal patrol]

Oh like it's like an OR boolean kind of thing?

[urban hollow]

Think of it as MAX

[surreal patrol]

I feel like there should be an actual pdf manual for entering homebrew into forgesteel it's reminding me of Enterprise Record Software

like SAP

[solid hamlet]

All the nesting does make it seem editing the raw JSON would be way faster. 🙂

[dense grotto]

i wanna change the damage type immunity granted by a treasure, how would one do that?

[urban hollow]

Create a homebrew copy?

[dense grotto]

makes sense, thanks!

[ancient stream]

Is it possible to share playtest content made in homebrew on Forgesteel?

[surreal patrol]

the way I tried this then it not working when I tried to re-import it

funny thing
I made a copy of the file before trying to add some overlapping traits from a different homebrew ancestry to this one.

that was able to be reimported in, so I must have done something wrong, like editing and adding traits in notepad messed it up for somereason

it would be nice if there was an error code or something instead of nothing happening

I guess a question is, if I have two ancestries that both have a trait that has the same ID can forge steel handle that?

[south rose]

just export your sourcebook, share that, they import it and can use it all

[fringe rivet]

@urban hollow I'm having trouble exporting a monster by itself, didn't there use to be a button up here when looking at one? I need specifically the monster json for the Roll20 import

also getting this error message at when i look at monsters individually

[crystal tulip]

If it's not covered by the creator license then I don't believe so

[gritty notch]

Is there an offline version of Forge Steel per chance?

[urban hollow]

Yes you should be able to access the app offline

[gritty notch]

Any plans on an account system so I can access this thing across multiple devices?

[exotic arch]

Veritas is working on a storage solution

[sonic matrix]

#1443181197931970582

[gritty notch]

Does this also mean I have to install this thing on the other device I wanna run this on? ie. my ipad?

[exotic arch]

At the moment it's self-hosted, but it will eventually be in a more accessible form where you won't have to do that. No specific timeline on that tho

[surreal patrol]

Any ideas on this?
I mean if I have to reenter them then I guess Im SoL but hey figured I'd ask

[solid hamlet]

you don't "install" Forge Steel anywhere. it's a browser app that (currently) leverages your the browser cache on any given device. as an analogy, if you download a Word file and edit it on your computer, your other devices won't see those edits. this is as opposed to Facebook or whatnot where you can login from multiple devices into the same environment. ForgeSteel is not that at the moment

[gritty notch]

I meant the Warehouse.

[digital timber]

as others have said, right now the warehouse does require a lot more technical noodling to get running for yourself. However, I've been working with Andy to try and get an easy streamlined way of letting people use the features without having to install stuff themselves

[urban hollow]

That should work now

[fringe rivet]

Like a charm! <3

[surreal patrol]

I have a homebrew ancestry that has a feature that does the following

Whenever you finish a respite, or earn a victory, choose between having immunity to Cold and Acid damage equal to your highest characteristic score, or immunity to lightning damage equal to your highest characteristic score.

I'm assuming there is no way to put this into Forged steel at this time, is that correct or is there some off the beaten path utility that can make this happen

[fringe rivet]

You could make it a Choice, then make two seperate features for each immunity selection, then just have the player go and edit the choice whenever they would make the switch

[surreal patrol]

oooh solid work around

[surreal patrol]

tyvm

[gritty notch]

Heya Andy, could it request a feature to add like a notes page or Bio page for the Draw Steel character sheet?

OH NVM found the notes tab on the arrow.

[urban hollow]

You can add notes by switching to the Notes view

[tepid totem]

How can I print retainer card/sheet? There is switch on monster group for "classic" view but it's not really print-friendly, and it looks like it tries to list all retainers (but is cut short mid-second)
I just want to print 1 retainer sheet (ideally at selected level) as a handout for my players. I don't want to add it to hero, because I want to give it to them when they earn it during adventure.
Is there any way to do that? (or plan?)

Another question, I'm playing with Negotiation Builder and it seems like there is no way to adjust starting Interest/Patience other than through Attitude. Some negotiations in DT are custom (or starting I/P depend on previous actions) and such flexibility would be useful 🙏

[tepid totem]

Also a few tiny bugs in Negotiation Builder:

• Motivations/Pitfalls description styling is off (placeholder appears as if it was content, "block type" in rich text controls is not prefilled)
• initial Attitude is not aligned with initial Interest/Patience
• Motivations/Pitfalls dropdown is not searchable like other dropdowns in other places

[solid hamlet]

you can also tweak it when you start to Run it, FWIW

but +1 for local overrides

[tepid totem]

Last thing for today 😅 , small styling issue when exporting negotiation sheet with long Pitfall description (spoiler for Delian Tomb)

[digital timber]

could you dm me that negotiation data? It would help me fix that

[tepid totem]

sure, coming right up

[digital timber]

Should be fixed

[hallow elk]

Hey all, just wondering, is there a guide or walkthrough about how to add your custom ancestries to Forged Steel?

[urban hollow]

Have you used the Library page? Go there, switch to Ancestries, and click Add.

[hallow elk]

I found it, neato

So will this allow my players making characters (In Forged Steel) in my campaign to use my homebrew ancestries?

[urban hollow]

If you send them the exported sourcebook, yes.

[surreal patrol]

took me forever and a day to put in my own ancestries for my setting but I did it! so much clicking

[dawn geyser]

Make to export it as a backup

[surreal patrol]

Well yeah ofc I exported it, how else would I share it with my players

[scarlet steppe]

This may be known, but Classic View doesn't seem to work for anything except heroes. I'm getting a blank screen for each thing I try to switch to that view.

Funny little bug, clicking on the "interactive view" button in this state switches you to print view instead.

[urban hollow]

Should all work now.

[craggy hare]

Why does forge steel not calculate extra push/pull numbers in abilities if you have things like a forceful implement or the forceful hakkan trait?

[urban hollow]

Because that’s not a feature that I’ve implemented.

[craggy hare]

Oh ok, no problem. Thanks for all you do!

[coral cobalt]

is it possible to get a magic item to target specific abilities that it can augment?
like increasing the range of abilities that only target allies?

[digital timber]

I think something like that would require a keyword or combination of keywords? since I'm pretty sure that's what the bonus system looks at (for that kind of more targeted adjustment)

[coral cobalt]

@vast fiber to answer your question, you want to hit the Manage button right above the Heroes stamina, then go to the Customize tab, hit the "+" icon and find Titles under Game Content, which will add a title to the space below the header, after which you can select it and select a title through it

[vast fiber]

Thank you so much for this. I will edit my sheet when I can