FORGE STEEL

[digital timber]

I could just add another filter to the sanitize function for the pdf - but I'm actively working on a total overhaul of the character sheet PDF export that hopefully will completely remove the need for removing non-ansi characters. and I think will look much much nicer and closer to the 'official' sheet

[digital timber]

I'm trying to get it done as quick as I can - here's a WIP preview showing what I'm going for:

[south rose]

I love "Elf (high)"

[covert marlin]

🎶 Smoke wode everyday 🎶

[rigid monolith]

In addition to that, the Whirlwing kit is showing a Range of 3 on the export/system for the ability, not taking into account the +1 range granted is already included

[mint skiff]

It looks like the Virtuoso Maneuver, "Power Chord," shows up as a main action when it should be a maneuver

[urban hollow]

Range 3 is correct

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

Fixed!

[storm forge]

@lavish spire this is the spot for forge steel questions.

I think the answer is that the monsters in forge steel are still being updated to the final rules.

[lavish spire]

Ah sorry, thanks for rerouting me!

Many thanks - good to know I should be using the main manual and I wasn't missing something in encounter balance!

[urban hollow]

We've been focussed on getting the hero data updated, and that's done now. Monsters are in progress.

[lavish spire]

Thanks so much! the app structure is great, I was just getting very confused as almost everything was correct and then I saw the differences!

Keep up the great work

[upper cypress]

Any update on this?

[urban hollow]

Looks like its working for me

[upper cypress]

Lemme check

Ayy it's working now! Thanks

[urban hollow]

Well folks, my laptop has died. I don't typically ask for donations, but if you appreciate Forge Steel and you wanted to support its development, now would be the time 🙁

[crystal tulip]

Donated, best of luck o7

[digital timber]

that sucks! hopefully you can get a replacement lined up quickly!

[surreal patrol]

Wough

[sage pollen]

I was just thinking this morning that I wantd to send some cash your way because the tool is awesome and I appreciate you. You need a DONATE button on the forge steel website!!

In the meantime, what's the best link to use?

[urban hollow]

There is a way to donate in the About sidebar.

[sage pollen]

found it. Thanks!

[agile mountain]

Donated also, hope you get enough support to spring back again quickly!

[distant imp]

will players have to do anything to update their PCs to the latest set of updated rules?

[distant imp]

also. Forge Steel is literally The Best, I've signed up to a regular donation

[storm forge]

At this point you have to unselect and reselect your class, etc because your character data is stored locally. In the future this might be more automatic: #1284267513084903485 message

Or you can rebuild from scratch. That is what I have done, with the old character up in the second monitor to compare.

[urban hollow]

I am (or was) working on some code to ensure your heroes are always automatically using the latest updates to the rules.

[sage pollen]

I hope you're cool with me cross-posting your laptop note to reddit. Lots of love for you over there!

https://old.reddit.com/r/drawsteel/comments/1mtq7ze/forge_steel_creator_isnt_one_to_ask_for_donations/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[versed cargo]

Just to update on something I put in the other thread, Potencies are now showing up correctly for Level 4+ characters

[keen tiger]

Is there a way to make the export printer friendly?

[sonic matrix]

it should be pretty printer friendly by default?

[fair nimbus]

It's not in the default USA paper size of I remember correctly. You can just do scale to fit and it doesn't adjust the size drastically and prints fine.

[mellow echo]

oh is the sheet in A4? Forge Steel 🇼

[keen tiger]

It spits it out in dark mode for me

[sonic matrix]

That seems like a bug? Both the pdf exports should be, well, the nice printer friendly form-fillable pdfs

[keen tiger]

I may have also unintentionally misdirected
I'm looking specifically at encounters, not characters

[sonic matrix]

Oh

Yeah I have no idea then, there might not be a nice pdf export for that. I think you can set it to be light mode before exporting and it will be less dark at least

since it basically is doing a fancy screenshot

though I don't know where the button to switch themes is hidden anymore

[keen tiger]

That was the first thing I tried, couldn't find it

[sonic matrix]

in firefox you can change it in the inspector

I'm sure chrome has a similar button

The sun icon in the middle here

[keen tiger]

That did help, but the text is too small I can't read it

[keen tiger]

I usually prefer paper, I'll try with my tablet though

[past laurel]

@urban hollow - just started messing with Forge Steel and it's really impressive. What a wonderful contribution to the community. ❤️❤️❤️

[midnight dust]

Orc Bloodrunners falsely have 10 stamina in Forge steel, rather than the correct 50

[urban hollow]

Orcs haven't been updated yet, they're on the roadmap

[midnight dust]

I see; everything else seemed accurate to 1.0, so I figured they had, but I guess not that much has changed.

[urban hollow]

You can now update your hero when there is a data change - no more deselecting and reselecting your class every time something changes. BUT! It's in beta, so let me know if it causes any problems. You can find it by editing your hero and going to the bottom of the Details tab.

[opal relic]

This one's huge. The number of times I've had to tell a player to deselect/reselect their class because something got updated, but then they had to re-choose all their options drove them crazy.

Now, there's just a BUTTON for it? @urban hollow you rule. I hope the new laptop fund is continuing to accrue. I donated yesterday. 🙂

[exotic arch]

I added a portrait for the first time and got jumpscared by my character's eyes peeking out at me from behind their card in the Heroes screen 😂

[obtuse marsh]

As I'm working on adding Google Drive support I'd be curious to hear what folks expectations might be in cases like connecting to drive when there is a copy of a hero in the drive and stored locally. E.g. sign in on PC and get everything synced, then sign in on phone which has a redundant(?) copy of the now-synced hero.
Or sharing heroes with the director.
Or the director sharing homebrew nonsense with heroes.
Or any other thoughts in that domain

[soft cosmos]

my #1 priority would be sharing heroes with the director basically (as the director)

[obtuse marsh]

Would it be an acceptable expectation that the player "owns" the hero and so the director isn't changing anything on there directly?

[exotic arch]

100% yes. I know many GMs (including me!) who love sneaking stuff onto their players' digital sheets, but that's not part of core functionality lol

[old sphinx]

So, first off I'd just like to say props to the creator for making this digital tool, its very neat.

Also though, out of curiosity, is there a way to see monster stats in the session section?
I've noticed that the encounter section displays all of a monster's stats but not so much in the part where you run encounters.
I might just be missing something obvious though

[urban hollow]

Click on a monster in the list, then click ‘stat block’ in the sidebar that appears

[foggy tulip]

Repost from rules questions:
When I played around with the Forge Steel char creator (https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/), I noticed it was giving me 1 free skill at the end of the level 1 process. For instance, for a High Elf Shadow I got for level 1 skill selections: 2 Intrigue Skills; "Choose 5" which I'm pretty sure properly picked from exploration, interpersonal, and intrigue; and at the very end it gave me a free Lore Skill.

Tried it again with a Orc Tactician and I got: Interpersonal Skill - Lead; Choose 2 (seems right); and then at the end a free Interpersonal Skill.

Am I right in seeing this as a bug in Forge Steel or is there some additional level 1 skill gain I'm missing the core book somewhere? (And if anyone knows, where do I report Forge Steel bugs?). I used a Bespoke Culture in both cases.

Also it was suggested I post a character file, let me know if that's helpful in figuring out what happened.

[urban hollow]

Ok, we’ll get to the bottom of this. Where in the hero builder does it ask you to pick a skill when it shouldn’t? Or, which skill appears on your hero sheet that shouldn’t be there?

[obtuse marsh]

I'm pretty sure it is working correctly; the final skill selection comes from the subclass

[soft cosmos]

is there a notification when you pick a subclass that grants a free skill that you've already picked? I don't seem to have that flag, sometimes causing two selections of the same skill

[exotic arch]

Tried the same and saw the same thing

[south rose]

yeah if your tactician was a vanguard, you get an interpersonal skill

idk about the shadow though, all the subclasses give a specific skill, not a choice afaik

[exotic arch]

No but that's accounted for

[south rose]

oh hm

[exotic arch]

Or

Wait

Nope I can't read

[south rose]

you get Lead for free from tactician

[exotic arch]

You're right

[south rose]

that might be that

[exotic arch]

I switched to Mastermind and it's Lore at the end. So that's that solved

Now for the shadow

[obtuse marsh]

The classes are typically set up to allow a choice within the selected skills group, and have the choice defaulted, to make it easier to handle the RAW case for already having a the gained skill from e.g. Culture

[south rose]

might be helpful to have in faded text where each skill choice comes from (subclass, class, etc)

[obtuse marsh]

E.g. College of Black Ash

[obtuse marsh]

For character creation I agree completely, though I think that might be clutter in normal use 🤔

[exotic arch]

Black Ash Shadow is correctly giving the Magic skill yes

[south rose]

I mean, my actual experience of making a character outside of forge steel usually involves a skill step after selecting everything else

[foggy tulip]

.............

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-6565016535492739421

[exotic arch]

It's okay me too

[foggy tulip]

I can't believe I read BOTH the tacitician and the shadow twice yesterday

and did not see the added skill from the subclass

well, answered! thanks everybody

[exotic arch]

I've been devouring this game nonstop for almost a year and I still didn't understand lmfao

[urban hollow]

It is huge, but I’d prefer it, ideally, not to even be a button - if it works seamlessly it should just happen automatically without any user action

[south rose]

yeah no need on the hero sheet. Just while editing

[obtuse marsh]

The button is nice in the event that something goes wrong, for example after a big update. I wouldn't want to have a surprise of a scrambled character when opening the page right before session

[mortal sparrow]

Having an option to disable would be nice, at least?

[opal relic]

Sure. But I’m going to celebrate the PROGRESS, regardless of the ideal state.

This button is a big step in the right direction, so I say “huzzah”!

[obtuse marsh]

I suppose the most mature implementation would have an option for automatic updates, an indicator if there is an available update when not automatic, and a rollback feature in case there are hiccups with the update. Either way though having a baseline is fantastic!

Oh, and an indicator for attention needed after an update, like as an arbitrary example a feature giving 4 skills where previously it gave 3, so the player has an extra selection they can make.

[opal relic]

Great points, here.

[soft cosmos]

anyone know about this question/behavior?

[stone goblet]

Is Forge Steel updated for the final rules? I tried leveling up a tactician to 2nd Level but they didn't get their 2nd-Level Doctrine Feature

[south rose]

it's been like this for a long time, I think the expected user behavior is recognize you have a duplicate skill, track down where it might have happened, and switch it

at least when you pick a skill from a list, the options you already have are greyed out

[exotic arch]

All hero stuff is up to date yes, but also it was already up to 3rd level before that so something else must be going wrong

[stone goblet]

Not sure why, the first level doctrine feature worked fine

Oh nevermind... I was looking in Features but it was a triggered action

[soft cosmos]

right, I was just wondering if there's been a feature request to at least like add a notification to the tab that has the dupe in it

[obtuse marsh]

I can possibly get a PR up for that without disrupting the Drive stuff. The idea would be basically when gaining a feature that grants a skill choice with a default selection, the default won't be used if the hero already has it. The normal "selection needed" indication would take over at the point

[soft cosmos]

that'd be perfect too!

it's like table stakes, was just something I realized was happening

[exotic arch]

This is low priority while data intake is going on and laptops are dying, so I can log this as a ticket on GitHub if it would help tracking, but can we get the "Create Homebrew Version" button for subclasses? Exporting the data from one and importing it doesn't work, oddly (doesn't seem to see the file at all)

It would also be nice to attach a homebrew subclass to a class for use in the hero builder

[summer imp]

Hey i have been trying to access forge steel for a while now but I am just seeing a greyed out screen.

okay worked on microsoft edge but not in chrome

[south rose]

This is a really niche request: as someone working on a homebrew class, I'd like it if I could export only specific levels (e.g. 1-3) of a class that has more in it (e.g. levels 1-10). Keeping a "published" sourcebook separate and pruned from a "working" sourcebook is part of my workflow I'd love to cut

[upper cypress]

Is the hero randomiser broken rn?

[urban hollow]

If you open up your browsers developer tools you’ll see a console - let me know what’s shown there

[urban hollow]

Not that I can see - what are you experiencing?

[upper cypress]

I created a random hero and it picked up features for the ancestory which should not be possible.

In this case it was a dragon knight with 4 damage immunities (which costs 4 points).

Also when I tried editing it, a page with only curved brackets oppened.

[urban hollow]

If that happens again, open your browser's developer tools and send me whatever's in the console please.

[upper cypress]

Will try to replicate it.

The text here is getting clipped. I think it might be better if the pannel is expanded to the width of the container.

[upper cypress]

Also QOL request.

Can the Null's Inertial shield subclass benefits be added to the ability itself like the censor's judgement order benefits?

[urban hollow]

That's in now.

[summer imp]

@urban hollow

[upper cypress]

Checked with the bestest and the coolest feature ever to exist in the whole entire world of the universe: The update hero data button.

And it seems to be working. Thanks sir!

One UI feedback that I got from some players was that some elements on the website when highlighted becomes light blue with black text on it. They were saying that contrast was hurting their eyes, and I have noticed some elements (like the separator of the header and body text in this case) gets suppressed with the light blue highlight.

If you think that is a viable feedback, I was thinking maybe that can be replaced with the ability element highlight with the blue border and light grey background.

[urban hollow]

Try again now.

[urban hollow]

I've made a small change to dark mode, let me know if it's better.

[upper cypress]

The elements that were not visible before are now visible, but in my opinion the contrast of the colours are still a bit off. That could just be me though.

Some places like this, you can't see the delete button when you highlight it.

[jade dew]

There seems to be a small issue with exporting character sheets as PDFs: high-level characters still have their first-level stats. Here is an example of the same Dragon Knight character exported at levels 1 and 7.

Obviously, this is easy to edit on the user's end, but I thought it was worth reporting.

[urban hollow]

Stats as in characteristics? Let me look into that.

[urban hollow]

Should look better now.

[jade dew]

Yes, characteristics (sorry, new to the system).

This seems to only affect PDF export; the characteristics in Forge Steel itself are fine.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[upper cypress]

Found another bug: The headers are black here. In the notes section.

[urban hollow]

Maybe fixed now. Might have side effects, let me know if anything breaks.

[upper cypress]

Still looks the same on my end. Refreshed the page.

[urban hollow]

What version does your app say it is?

[versed cargo]

Another thing I've noticed, the tab that talks about HR generation doesn't update as you level up.

I'm looking at my level 5 Null and it still says I get 1 Discipline from an enemy acting in my Null Field. It should be 2 Discipline as of level 4.

[urban hollow]

Then you're probably not using the latest version of the Null.

[versed cargo]

Ok, I unselected and reselected the class and it worked.

[soft cosmos]

there should be an autoupdate button now

[vagrant imp]

Hey everyone! I know about Forge Steel and it's amazing. I have been running Daggerheart as well and want to switch over my games to Draw Steel. The one thing I'm not finding is like an automated tool to take an adversary and auto slide it up or down based on it's level.

I know it's not hard to do manually....I can reskin or use other guys as a base but is there any tool that does this? I found the reddit post that has all the stats by Monster Org and Role by level which is super helpful but has anyone tied that into an App yet?

I'm lazy so just thought I would check before doing it myself 😄 - thanks guys! GO DRAW STEEL! Go FORGE STEEL!

[worthy halo]

I can't believe I only just discovered yesterday there is an add on tool for Codex that allows one to import FS data files for characters. 🤯

I switched to Codex (can't say enough good things about it) from Roll20, but my group still uses FS for character creation since it is more complete. This whole time I thought, there'd be no way to import FS characters into DS, but I was dead wrong. Haven't tried it yet, but so happy LOL.

BTW, I did this before and now for the life of me cannot figure out how to do it again - when I create a named container for Heroes in FS... er how did I do that again?

[urban hollow]

I’m working on this next I think

[urban hollow]

Folder, in Details

[worthy halo]

where is details?

[obtuse marsh]

Last tab of the Hero Builder (Edit Hero)

[worthy halo]

Tanks

[urban hollow]

Can they check they’ve selected an array AND assigned the array?

[obtuse marsh]

Fwiw, just cofrimed that making a brand new hero on my end works

[idle shoal]

Is the Blade of the Luxurious Fop implemented in the inventory system? I couldn't find it last night

[obtuse marsh]

Does your kit allow it?

The last filter is defaulted to enabled

[idle shoal]

Oh ok, didn't realize it didnt show you the full list, only what your kit allowed. Im the director so idk, I was asking for my player

[sonic merlin]

Can confirm it was user error. My bad!

[jade dew]

For Talent's Hypersonic ability, there seems to be a small inconsistency in the size of AoE. The book says it is a 5x2 line, whereas the option in Forge Steel specifies 5x1 line.

I've checked the errata doc just in case, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned there.

[urban hollow]

I’ll check this out

[past laurel]

Is there a video somewhere showing how people are using Forge Steel during play?

[sage pollen]

Is Codex out for patreon subs or something? I haven't seen any news about it.

[wary yoke]

you can join the beta #trpg_virtual-tabletop message

[pliant fjord]

https://youtu.be/SEKRqNDb_r0

It's from January but it fits the bill

Oh, during play? Sorry none that I know of

[urban hollow]

This is another excellent one of the hero builder: https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1404207782810489012

[urban hollow]

Send me the encounter file, I'll look deeper.

[urban hollow]

Fixed, thank you

[pliant fjord]

Oh perfect! I don't watch much but I'll definitely watch this one

[pliant fjord]

Also something that came up in my game, is there any chance of either adding a language called "I Speak Their Language" or some other method of not selecting a language upfront with a count for how many languages you could "know" from the sidebar on pg. 16?
This is so players can keep a bank of language options up their sleeve without just leaving it blank and forgetting 🙂

[urban hollow]

You could just add a custom language as a placeholder when building your hero?

[pliant fjord]

I did not scroll that far. Damnit Andy, you're too good lol

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-star-wars-han-solo-gif-14764428

[exotic arch]

I know someone is reworking the sheet export so Idk if this is gonna matter but inventory items appear to be exporting to Features instead of Inventory atm

[digital timber]

that does kind of remind me of something I need to ask/figure out - I've been basing my new character sheet export format on the official one as much as possible, but that sheet does not include a single place for immunities/weaknesses, or inventory.

so the first pass of the new export will probably need further iteration and improvement

[exotic arch]

I think Inventory is expected to go in the open ability cards? No place for immunities is rough yeah

[digital timber]

Inventory going in open ability cards makes sense. I was thinking about putting Immunities & Weaknesses in the Modifiers block, but space on that first page is really tight

[tidal valley]

Something I noticed with the Orc's "Nonstop" trait. On the web I can see it represented under "Can't Be" on the right, but when I export to a PDF it's not represented anywhere.

[digital timber]

I should have condition immunities handled in the new export (at least for the normal conditions)

also - I'm trying to get it done as fast as I can! I think I'm pretty close to a v1.0 🤞

[digital timber]

I think there might be an existing option for this? Under Options > Separate Inventory features. I believe it defaults to off - so the features are included with the main features.

[exotic arch]

Whoops thanks

[digital timber]

though that may not apply to the pdf export

[exotic arch]

Oh

Yeah Idk lemme test

[exotic arch]

Yeah it's in-app only

[pliant fjord]

I love how the tool is so good, Matt uses it in lieu of the official sheet in the DT videos 😁

[exotic arch]

Glamor of Terror appears to be missing from high elves?

[urban hollow]

Not any more.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[upper cypress]

Thannnks!

Found one more case of black text tho. Lmk if you don't want me to report these as these are minor issues.

[urban hollow]

No, I always want to know if there's something to fix. Fixed now.

[languid grotto]

Hello! I was building a Censor using Forge Steel and discovered that the Trickery domain feature Inspired Deception mentions Intuition instead of Presence (in the book it is Presence both for the Censor and Conduit)

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[upper cypress]

@urban hollow This was also something that can be tinkered with imo.

Also "fake your death" is a manuever, it is displaying as a main.

[upper cypress]

One more QOL request, the glamour of terror can be represented as a trigger action like the example.

[digital timber]

@urban hollow so I just opened a PR with my pretty substantial PDF export addition/changes. Please reach out with feedback/questions/whatever as you have a chance to look through it

[tidal valley]

Should the effect for this say Infinity?

[versed cargo]

I am making a homebrew leveled weapon and I can add the extra damage but I can't seem to add the tag for damage type. Anything I'm missing?

[nimble halo]

Damage equal to negative Infinity??? Dang

[cursive plover]

Just a little bug, when you select “Custom Title” it doesn’t let you edit the name or description

[crystal tulip]

Fully healed, permanently, forever

[digital timber]

Pythagoras doesn't exist in Orden but number overflow certainly does

[nimble halo]

Oh I thought that was a high manifolds only thing

[versed cargo]

If your manifolds are high, you should call your local geometer

[urban hollow]

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. But fixed.

[opal relic]

Might the Summoner playtest appear in Forge Steel? (I’m happy to help with some amateur-level data entry!)

(The Patreon post is public… so I’d think it’d be covered under the licence?)

[wooden valley]

It is not (or, if it is, the license hasn't been changed to reflect that)

Playtest materials (outside of the backer playtest #2, that was special) will likely not be covered by the license, just due to the nature of change. It will probably be fine once the class is finalised!

[versed cargo]

You could probably make it yourself for personal use there. But you wouldn't be able to make it publicly available.

[urban hollow]

I would be able (I believe) to add whatever new feature types would be required for the class, but I can’t add the class.

For example, summoner range has been available in the app for a while now

[pearl laurel]

Some battles in Delian Tomb ask the director to have minions in groups of 4, but the smallest that some groups can be in the playbook encounter builder is 8.

It's not a problem to just throw 8 spine cleavers into each squad and only have 4 on the VTT, but the ability to add in groups of 4 or other smaller denominations would be nice for QoL, and accurate encounter difficulty math.

Amazing tool, my players and I love it.

[urban hollow]

Have you tried changing the minion bucket size in options?

[pearl laurel]

You beautiful genius. Thank you!

[exotic arch]

Will pitch this again — the importer doesn't appear to recognize exported subclass data files, and there's no Create Homebrew Version button on them, so there's no easy to way to grab a framework for custom subclasses

[urban hollow]

I'm not seeing a problem with importing subclass files - can you send the file that's not working?

[digital timber]

@urban hollow I'm not seeing that issue you were seeing for the new character sheet export - how should I reproduce? Also, I should have mentioned that the html-to-image version needs to stay at 1.11.11 since starting in .12 or so there's a bug that causes export in Firefox to not work

[urban hollow]

I was using Chrome

[digital timber]

Hmm, I checked in chrome on Windows and it worked for me. Was that zoomed in view the exported PDF itself? Or something else?

[urban hollow]

That was the pdf

[digital timber]

Hmm, would you be able to send me the hero data you were exporting as well as the bad PDF?

[exotic arch]

If I export a core class, I can reimport it just fine, same with a homebrew subclass that I make from scratch. But if I export a core subclass, it doesn't seem to accept it. See attached images for my File Explorer vs the import window

(And having a "Create Homebrew Version" button on the subclasses would also work, ofc)

[urban hollow]

Importing that subclass works for me, does it cause issues for you?

[exotic arch]

It just literally doesn't let me select it. Tried on Win and Mac

[urban hollow]

Are you trying to import it in the Library subclasses list, or when you're editing a homebrew class on the Subclasses tab, or somewhere else?

[exotic arch]

From — oh god

Yep I was just not tabbing back over to Subclasses

Absolute fool, my apologies! 😅

[languid grotto]

Just wanted to come by and say that I used Forge Steel on my phone to track my character sheet tonight, and it was working like a charm! The UI worked great, I could find everything I wanted and edit easily

[midnight dust]

Can someone explain to me the structure of ability data in .ds-hero files? It looks to me like everything from "preEffect" to "persistence" can also just be handled in "sections". Is there any pattern to that?

Or, alternatively, if there is any documentation out there, that'd be great. I didn't find any on the github, but maybe I'm blind >.<

[urban hollow]

sections is the modern way to handle abilities; the other fields are deprecated.

[midnight dust]

I see... That still leaves me with the question whether I want to be able to handle legacy data >.<

[mellow juniper]

Is there any way to get the damage bonuses for the War Domain Censor’s Sanctified Weapon and Improved Sanctified Weapon automatically applied? I’ve done this by adding an Imbued Weapon to my inventory and selecting 3 random imbuements, but I’d like to see if I could make it work without that kludge. Maybe an inventory item that lets me apply the weapon tags to it so it’ll apply the extra damage only to melee or ranged attacks based on the tag?

[versed cargo]

Small error in the 6th level Null feature Iron Body

[sonic matrix]

Bug: When being a Revenant, and selecting Polder as the Former Life you should get 3 ancestry points to spend (because size 1s), but it still says 2pts

[urban hollow]

Yeah, that's known - the workaround is to add your missing feature through Manage | Customize

[digital timber]

Bug: Conduit Domains aren't shown as the subclass

[urban hollow]

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

[digital timber]

ah - so for the Conduit, their Domain selection is the subclass. Currently When you create a Conduit, there is nothing displayed anywhere you would normally see a subclass named/displayed

For instance - for a Tactician, the Doctrine is displayed under the 'Class' section like so:

But for a Conduit, this is what is shown in that section:

[soft cosmos]

yeah, you see this instead:

[digital timber]

yeah - it's more of a data model consistency thing I guess? Maybe not a bug per se

It seems to me that the data model for the Conduit should still have data for the subclass (I have no preference for how it displays in the app, to be clear)

[urban hollow]

Not a bug, no. Conduits select two domains, which in effect become their subclass, but they don't actually get a subclass.

[digital timber]

I guess I'm confused why in this particular case it isn't a subclass? Since to me the book says it is your subclass:

After choosing your deity, pick two domains from their portfolio. The two domains you pick make up your subclass

not a huge deal since it is possible to get the values anyways, I'm just unclear

[urban hollow]

Because domains are shared with the Censor, so are separate chunks of data. Just the way I chose to implement it.

[digital timber]

fair enough!

[tidal valley]

Anyone else try to download the data file on an iPad and have it disappear into the void? It’s not saving them to my downloads folder like the PDFs.

I was trying to copy characters I made on my iPad to my computer to reimport there.

[crystal tulip]

Data files are saved as .ds-book file I believe

Or something similar with a non-standard extension as opposed to a pdf, it may be that your OS hides the files

[tidal valley]

Right. I can’t find them anywhere, but if I click them in the download list it opens in an app I have called Documents which auto-renames them all to .json

But they must be landing somewhere with the .ds-book extension

[crystal tulip]

I'm afraid that I'm not an iOS person so I won't be able to offer much help - I'd check the actual extension but I'm away from my PC atm

[tidal valley]

It looks like the iPadOS browser is automatically putting .json on the file name, not the app Documents

[snow geyser]

Heads up! Didn't see this little bug mentioned when I skimmed recent history 😅

[wooden geyser]

The Wode Elf Troubadour pregen has Might -1, Intuition 1 on Forge Steel but Might 1, Intuition -1 on the Delian Tomb character sheet

[storm forge]

The pregens haven't been updated yet

[wooden geyser]

It seems like when getting the same skill from two different source, Forge Steel lets you choose another skill from the same skill group, rather than another skill from any skill group like it says on Heroes page 16. Is the plan for Forge Steel to work that way instead in future?

[tidal valley]

I’ve noticed that it doesn’t always clear the second selection of the same skill. For example if I pick something from my culture that is later granted by my class or subclass I have to know it and find the skill in the various grants to switch it

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

The app should now notify you if you've somehow got a skill twice.

[exotic arch]

I have a niche feature request! What's the likelihood of an option to export a markdown "class summary" block? I'm thinking of Lancer's COMP/CON which can make a statblock like this (shortened):

[ LICENSES ]
  HA Sunzi 2
[ TALENTS ]
  Field Analyst 2, Spotter 2, Infiltrator 1```
So something like:
```**Hero Name**: Class #, Subclass
MARIP
Stamina # Speed # Stability # Disengage #
Enchantment/Kit/Ward
Culture | Career | Complication
**Signature Abilities**
Name 1, Name 2
**Heroic Abilities**
Name (3), Name (5), Name (7)```
etc. etc.

[urban hollow]

Single page, compact mode, seems like it'd be what you want.

[exotic arch]

For in-app use is great, I'm thinking more for sharing

It's very niche and not critical, just something that would be nice for homebrewers/testers

[urban hollow]

New features:

• When building an encounter, you can adjust the level of any monster you add, and Forge Steel will (do its best to) modify the monster’s stats appropriately
• When editing a monster, you can now see a cheat sheet showing expected values for EV, stamina, damage etc, for a monster of that level and role

[exotic arch]

Hell yeah monster editing

[versed cargo]

Bumping this back up. Iron Body is incorrectly labeled a Main Action instead of a Maneuver Action

[delicate saffron]

Have the monsters been updated yet? Trying to build an encounter with War Dogs (level 1) and all the minions say "EV 3 for 8" instead of "EV 3 for 4" minions. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or not.

[versed cargo]

There is a toggle for that 🙂

[delicate saffron]

I'm doing something wrong. Got it. I didn't see the toggles under the options.

It is unusual that the number of minions you add doesn't change the EV though. The toggle changes the number but it doesn't change the EV to match. EV3 for 4 minions then EV3 for 8 of the same minions depending on my setting. I don't think that should be based on the setting, the EV is for 4 per the book.

[thorny pasture]

How do I change the level of the heroes in an encounter?

[urban hollow]

No, that's fixed, you just have to update your hero

[urban hollow]

No the EV shouldn't change, it's just to support the previous rules where minions came in boxes of 8.

[urban hollow]

When you're editing the encounter? You can change those settings in Options

[mellow tundra]

In the encounter screen, would it be possible to collapse each minion line into one line, and then just indicate with a number how many minions there are? Would reduce the amount of scrolling

[urban hollow]

That seems like a good idea.

[tidal valley]

It would be really nice if the ability search bar in hero creation searched along tags too. It only seems to search ability name

[limber snow]

Is there a way to add Titles to a character sheet? Im

[exotic arch]

Manage > Customize > + > Titles > Choose Title

[exotic arch]

The EV reading on the monster doesn't change, but if you have minion groups set to 4, you can add more minions to a group on the Monsters tab, which will keep them in the same group as a squad of 8 but increase the EV accordingly

[delicate saffron]

Yes, but if you have 12 minions per group, it will triple the number of minions but will not triple the EV for any minion groups you have. So, if you accidently set it like that your encounters will be much harder than the encounter difficulty says. Having it set at 4 keeps the math correct. Anything else (while it was probably used earlier in development) will not have correct math for the final game.

[exotic arch]

Yep I agree, just clarifying that there's a way to make it work as expected

And the overall encounter EV will change appropriately, which IMO is the important part

(Would definitely be nice if it the bucket size changed it, or alerted you at least)

[delicate saffron]

Yes, I did see that and have it set that way now. It just took me a bit to figure out what was going on. I must have played with it months ago and forgotten about it since it was set at 8 (the old value?) when I started using it yesterday. An alert or re-calc to keep the math correct would be helpful.

[digital timber]

possible bug? If you gain a trinket or an item from something like a Complication, should that item then appear in your Inventory?

[urban hollow]

I think that makes sense. It's not a bug, it's designed to work the way it does, but it would make sense to have maybe a separate section within the inventory for items granted from features.

[digital timber]

I'm mostly asking in terms of figuring out the printed character sheet. There at least it makes sense to have those be included with the rest of the inventory - I just want to know whether I need to add manual logic to pull those in or if I should expect everything relevant to already be in the hero.state.inventory list

[urban hollow]

No, you'll have to get the items from features - HeroLogic.getFeatures(hero).map(f => f.feature).filter(f => f.type === FeatureType.ItemChoice).flatMap(f => f.data.selected)

[digital timber]

I'm trying to put the finishing touches on the 'fancy/classic' character sheet so that it is feature equivalent to the current PDF export. Is there anything it is missing right now other than page orientation selection?

And is there anything you'd want in that export beyond what is there?

[urban hollow]

I think probably we just wait to see what people feed back.

[digital timber]

gotcha. I knew the first version wasn't good enough to replace the existing PDF output, but I feel like it might be about there now? And I wanted to see if there were any major blockers you saw for that

[urban hollow]

More QoL improvements:

• In the hero builder, the Details page now includes a section for your skill choices, in case you want to leave all your skills to the end of the process
• When you're running an encounter, if your screen is wide enough, you'll see your monsters' characteristics and stats
• Items granted by your complication (or other features) now appear in your inventory

[south rose]

love the skill choice update!

[exotic arch]

Oh I've wanted that for a while, hell yeah

[sage vapor]

Is it possible to rename monster groups I was not able to find it if possible

[urban hollow]

No but that’s on the list

[tidal valley]

Is there a walkthrough of how to run an encounter? I clicked my way through an encounter but got to the end and couldn't end the encounter in a way that would preserve the heroes' state for the next encounter. I tried starting a new encounter but it just added tabs at the top that didn't function--clicking them had no effect on the initiative state or the monsters and heroes listed

[urban hollow]

If you’re controlling the heroes’ stamina etc then you don’t need to do anything, it should automatically remember all that. If your players are tracking that, which is probably more usual, then you don’t need to do anything. So I think I’ve probably misunderstood what you’re asking?

[tidal valley]

I guess I didn’t understand how to make it work properly then. I used the session thing—the only place I could define who’s in the party. The encounter ended. Heroes won. Then there was no where to go from there to get to the next encounter even when I tried to “start” it.

I hit finish and everything was gone in terms of recoveries spent, current stamina, victory earned.

[storm forge]

I know there is some work being done on the pdf export, but currently the power roll modifiers aren't getting exported properly. It stays at 2d10+2 even after characteristics increase at level 4

[urban hollow]

Thanks, fixed now

[urban hollow]

My apologies, you're absolutely right - it turns out that encounters were using a copy of each hero, so no changes were being retained. I'll change that.

[urban hollow]

You can now name your encounter groups.

[tidal valley]

So does the Forge Steel data just live in my browser cache?

More reason to hate when tech support for a website tells me to purge my browser cache to fix their broken stuff

"No, I'll lose the entire Draw Steel adventure I built out"

[urban hollow]

You can export your data and keep an offline copy.

[tidal valley]

I know.

[tired belfry]

Is there a way to roll 1d3 for the classes that need to for their resource? Seems like no but I just want to make sure. I just started using this tool

[urban hollow]

No, but it's an improvement I'd like to add

[cursive plover]

Is there a way to better customize followers? Artisan followers only have 2 options for characteristics, and Sage followers only have 1. Some of the Delian Tomb followers have characteristics that don’t match the current options

[solar harness]

So is it possible to create a new custom "category/item type"? Examples of categories of "things"™: Domains, Imbuements, Kits, Subclasses, Classes

Ah, I guess it would be called a "Feature Type"

[urban hollow]

A library item? What would it be?

[solar harness]

Just a new type of class feature where the player gets a choice

its similar to Domains

[exotic arch]

It'd be killer for homebrewers in general

[tidal valley]

A couple weeks ago I made an alchemy shadow but this was a whole new character. I don't even have that alchemy shadow anymore—I deleted them more than a week ago.

I've noticed this on my iPad more. Like last night I made a vanguard tactician. Then I went to make an insurgent tactician and the new character was pre-filled with all the tactician choices I'd just made for a separate character.

This is the first time I've seen it combine like this.

[urban hollow]

No, no-one's ever reported that before. Send me the hero files.

[tidal valley]

Sent

[languid grotto]

Is it possible to add a second complication in addition to the one chosen at creation?

[urban hollow]

No

[languid grotto]

Fair enough, I managed with a custom ability 👍

[digital timber]

Yeah, that would be too complicated to implement

[solar harness]

Are markdown tables supported in any Feature Types? Yes

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[solar harness]

So when creating a custom ancestry or when creating a custom version of an existing ancestry, the "Purchased Traits" feature sometimes includes a "use ancestry points" toggle and sometimes it doesnt. Why is this? I cant seem to find anywhere to actuall enable or disable the toggle from appearing 🤔

Oh lol, looks like my ad blocker mistakenly removed the elements from the page

[urban hollow]

How odd!

[tepid gyro]

I’m so happy to have been referred here! I’ll stop clogging up the GitHub thread haha. I’ve been going through the BETA Classic Sheet and loving it. When I get home from work I’ll transfer all my notes here and try to get you as much info as I can from what I’m seeing from each class.

Before that though—personally I would love if the abilities could be sized to print at 2.5x3.5 so they would fit in MTG card sleeves.

Additionally, when displayed (bottom of the sheet) it would be awesome if all the main actions, maneuvers, and triggers, were grouped together so it would be much cleaner to sift through info on a turn (much like it is on the modern sheet).

When I get home I’ll transfer the rest of the things I found. Sorry for bombarding your GitHub thread 😅

But I really appreciate the work that’s gone into this. It’s definitely the slickest thing out there. I appreciate your work 🫶

[urban hollow]

Always happy to hear about bugs. They should all be fixed now.

[digital timber]

I'll look into printing abilities at a fixed size - however many of them are probably long enough that they wouldn't fit without either trimming the text or making the font so small it isn't really readable.

For the grouping - I'm looking into adding different ability 'sorts' but I started with 'by length' since that provided the best results for fitting things on a page in the most cases

[upper cypress]

Text not visible here.

Also here

[urban hollow]

Nice easy fix, done. Of course, the better fix would be not to use dark mode, and instead use your computer in a well-lit room to avoid eye strain, but I'm not your doctor. 🙂

[tepid gyro]

Can you add “Claw Dirt” into the maneuvers?

[urban hollow]

This one?

[exotic arch]

Could have sworn I didn't see that earlier 😳

Oh on mobile

Yep not seeing it on mobile but seeing it on desktop

Using a pregen

[urban hollow]

Sounds like you haven’t refreshed the app for a while

[exotic arch]

You are so wise

Me, Always: Okay check literally everything three times before you try and report a bug to save everyone time and effort
Andy, Always: Did you try [basic computer usage]
Me, Always: Shit it's super-effective

[pliant fjord]

Andy is just a chrono null/talent. He goes back in time and corrects the thing just before you post about it 😂

[tepid gyro]

Huh. I didn’t see it before but I refreshed it and now it’s there. 👍🏻

Word! I wonder if a lot of the things I found are just fixed and I need to reload/update. I’m heading home so I’ll check everything out 🙂

Thanks so much!

I’ll double check things and screenshot if I find something amiss. I’m super anal about this stuff hahaha sorry 😅

[solar harness]

Is there a way to copy a Feature over to another class/subclass?

I kind of have a pretty heavily nested feature thats a pain to build manually multiple times

[sage vapor]

Should Glamor of Terror feature show up in the Triggers list or is it by design that it doesn't?

[solar harness]

Would it be possible to have Summoned creature's power rolls use the owner/summoner's main characteristic?

For example: I have a custom class that uses Presence, and there is a Summon ability where the minion gets a feature which scales with the owner's Presence. But if I select a characteristic for the minion's power roll, it uses the minion's characteristic values instead of the owner's

[clear echo]

has anyone tried to homebrew the Summoner into FS yet, and if so, how'd it go?

[tepid gyro]

Claw Dirt not showing up for "Standard Abilities" but is for modern sheet

The Maneuvers section in the BETA Classic Sheet are missing Make or Assist a test, search for hidden creature, use, consumable, and claw dirt (although this could be intentional due to card length)

Main actions missing "Swap"

[tepid gyro]

Hesitation is Weakness is not showing up as a Free Triggered Action for the Classic Sheet

[solar harness]

These should probably be logged in the github issues

[tepid gyro]

Oh word. I was told to put them here

Then I will do that from now on. That is what I was originally doing 👍

[solar harness]

Oooh if Andy told you to put them here then nvm, I assumed collating these in an issue on the github would be easier but maybe he makes notes of issues reported here 🤷‍♂️

[tepid gyro]

Andy didn't, but another person in general did.

[urban hollow]

My general rule is that bugs should definitely go to github, but feature requests can go here for discussion.

[tepid gyro]

Dually noted

[ashen kiln]

Wait, there is a forge steel android app?

[exotic arch]

"app" in the general sense. The site works on mobile browser

[obtuse marsh]

Web app is probably the most correct term

[ashen kiln]

Ah, right.

[idle shoal]

Is anyone else experiencing a bug when you export the character to a pdf that it isnt showing the proper Wealth and Renown? I chose the Aristocrat career so I should have 2 Weath and 1 Renown, and it shows it properly on Forge Steel, but when I export it as a pdf it shows the default 1 Wealth 0 Renown

[urban hollow]

Which sheet are you exporting?

[upper cypress]

Andy I am back again with my dark mode. I refuse to turn to the light!

[idle shoal]

Not sure i understand the question. Im exporting a regular hero sheet with no custom stuff to a pdf, and going to pdf options its set to portrait and not form fillable

[urban hollow]

OK, should be fixed now.

[dim turtle]

Did the notes section get axed?

nvm I found them! Killer work!

[vocal tiger]

Anyone have a share-able version of Summoner they have made in Forge Steel that would be willing to export and send me so I can upload? I have no experience with markdown and I don't have a ton of experience modifying / homebrewing in FS in general

[exotic arch]

Distributing such materials would, regrettably, be in violation of the Creator License

[vocal tiger]

That makes sense to me now that you mention it

Thanks for clarifying 🙇‍♂️

[wooden valley]

It'll likely be added to the license when it's no longer in a playtest state.

[eager wave]

When I was making a character, I was confused that the Master Chef Drawback was so weird. Why would I ever be forced to eat food? Does that mean I can willingly eat food and be fine? But then I was going through the book and it's different:

App: The first time each day that you are forced to eat food you didn’t prepare, you lose 2 Recoveries.
Book: The first time each day you eat food you didn’t prepare, you lose 2 Recoveries.

[urban hollow]

The wording probably changed from the beta to the release. Fixed now.

[eager wave]

Yeah I figured it might've been that. I understand the value in mentioning typos or issues but It feels rude to just casually be like "there's a mistake that needs fixing!" when it obviously takes shit tons of work to do all of this.

[urban hollow]

No, please feel free to point anything out. I won't be offended, I already know I'm amazing.

[formal marlin]

Hey, there's a mistake! I seem to not be rolling exclusively tier 3 results and I don't understand 😛

[crystal tulip]

Have you activated the gitgud.ds file?

[tired belfry]

Kits don't seem to include the kit bonus damage or distance when viewing it from the main "Hero" tab or when selecting the kit. Looks fine on the "Mains" tab

[digital timber]

Is there anywhere in the character creation for the Censor or Conduit where you select your Deity? Or is it just the Domains?

[formal marlin]

Only the domains are directly mechanical, choosing your Deity just informs you of the list of domains they represent so there's not really a space for them in the character sheet

[digital timber]

Understood

Another question - is there a way to create a higher level hero other than creating a level 1 character then manually adding XP to the next level (rinse and repeat)?

[upper cypress]

When you create the hero there is an option to select the hero in the class tab.

[formal marlin]

I think Absurd meant there's a level choice option in the class tab

After you choose your class

[eternal rapids]

Is there a way to write in a custom inciting incident for an existing career?

[formal marlin]

If you go into Library and find the career you want to modify, when you have it open in the top right there will be the Create Homebrew Version button, once you've chosen your sourcebook (or made a new one) you can add whatever inciting incedents you want and then as long as you include that sourcebook in your character's Start page you should be able to use your custom version of the career with that incident.

[urban hollow]

You can now add a custom inciting incident when you're selecting your career.

[candid monolith]

Hey @urban hollow I just wanted to pop in again and say that FORGE STEEL is wonderful and we've only scratched the surface of what it can do. My players and I appreciate your hard work immensely.

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/keyaan-john-wick-keanu-reeves-gif-2384046765437701795

[hazy lantern]

What timing. Just this morning I created copies of every career to add custom Inciting Incidents. This will be so much easier for my players than having to import a playbook just for that. Thanks Andy!

[tepid gyro]

These updates for the BETA Classic Sheet are KILLER!

I do have a feature request though. Some classes have special circumstances that relates to their Heroic Resource (like the Talent and the Shadow). Is there a space where this can show on the BETA Classic Sheet? Ideally underneath the "Gaining Heroic Resource" box on the right hand side?

For example, the Shadow's is this:
"Whenever you use a heroic ability that makes use of a power roll, that
ability costs 1 fewer insight if you have an edge or double edge on it. If
the ability has multiple targets, the cost is reduced even if the ability
gains an edge or has a double edge against only one target."

[digital timber]

hmm, so like a section aggregating ability cost modifiers?

I'll look at what the data model might support like that, but I'm going to guess it's unlikely that would be feasible at the moment - in that it probably would require manual checking for every feature

[south rose]

Ooo beta classic sheet does look dope. Completely breaks on custom class, but that's why it's beta 😭

[digital timber]

if you can, send me the custom class data and a test character and I'll look into improving homebrew support!

[tepid gyro]

Here

[digital timber]

I meant for putting things like your example Shadow feature:

"Whenever you use a heroic ability that makes use of a power roll, that
ability costs 1 fewer insight if you have an edge or double edge on it. If
the ability has multiple targets, the cost is reduced even if the ability
gains an edge or has a double edge against only one target."

I saw your issue in GitHub for the missing 'Free' text and am working on a fix for that

[tepid gyro]

Oh! I got my questions mixed up.

Yes! That works perfect in the class features 🙏🏻

[soft cosmos]

How does one create custom monsters? Is that something that is possible here?

[elfin magnet]

It is possible in Forge Steel yes.

1. Click the three lines at the top left
2. Go into Monsters
3. click the Add button

[soft cosmos]

Ah I missed that, thank you!!

[tepid gyro]

Man I jus t have to say @urban hollow and @digital timber, ya’ll are on top of it. Forge Steel is continuing to evolve and I wouldn’t be surprised if it continues to be the best option out there for character creation. I appreciate you all for being so on top of these changes, no matter how small. 🔥

[pliant fjord]

(Completely off topic, just an amusing coincidence from GW2) Everywhere I go..I see his face

[digital timber]

Question for folks: I'm considering adding a 'hint' to the characteristic names on the Classic sheet to help with connecting the names to the abbreviation symbols, like this:

Does that look okay? The mix of fonts does mess with the kerning/readability a bit, but I'm hoping that is made up for by how helpful I think it will be for new players especially

[elfin magnet]

I think that's an excellent inclusion!

[eager wave]

It's probably the best solution even if it's not as visually appealing as just text.

[near flower]

Is there a way to add titles in forge steel yet. Need to claim my Angling prize!

[exotic arch]

Manage > Customize > + > Titles

Angler actually isn't in there but you can add a custom title

[near flower]

yeah I added it, pretty easy since it doesn't really add any mechanics, just an edge to remember whenever I'm respiting near water (I will gamble more)

thank you

[hazy lantern]

Has anyone created the Summoner in Forge Steel to see how it works as the app exists now? I’m just curious how well it works before I try to create my own version for a player at my virtual table to use.

Forge Steel is just so convenient for online play, it’s hard to justify having only one player use pen and paper.

If you’ve already created a version I’d love it if you’d DM me and let me know any nuances or hiccups you encountered with it.

[eager wave]

Noticed all the stormwight kit's signature attacks add an extra +2/2/2 bonus to themselves. (except Boren which uses its +0/0/4 correctly)

[hazy lantern]

For the benefit of others who might make the same attempt I did to create a custom Summoner in Forge Steel, I noticed the following limitations as the tool currently exists. These each require using a text box or something similar to get the information into the minion’s stat block.

• No dedicated place to modify summons’ free strike damage type
• No dedicated place for essence cost to summon minions (as well as number of minions summoned for that cost).
• I haven’t noted any place designed for the player to track minions squad composition or stamina pools.
• I didn’t see a good way to reference the summoner’s Reason in the minion stat block
• Some minions have stability (or other core stats) equal to the summoner’s reason. There isn’t a way to specify that without an extra note.
• Summoner's Strike replaces both the default Free Strikes. There doesn't appear to be a way to make an ability (whether Summoner's Strike or Hurl Elements) show up as a free-strike in action types, nor to delete or hide the default free strikes.

While it took me a bit to deal with some of the fiddly bits, I’m pleasantly surprised at how well Forge Steel already supports Summoner mechanics.

Please note: I created the summoner class in Forge Steel for use at my table, it is not distributed. This post is not a feature request for Forge Steel. This is a list of observations which may be useful to other homebrewers who want to use the Summoner in pre-release format or before Andy gets to making the release version of the Summoner (assuming it’s covered by the creator license).

I may add more notes as I get further into adding more levels (at the time of original posting I only created level 1 for the Demon and Elemental portfolios).

[idle shoal]

how do you add titles to characters? i see them in the library but im issing how it works

[exotic arch]

Manage > Customize > + > Title

[urban hollow]

Fixed, thank you

[latent onyx]

Is there a way to apply "Hone ability" project (+1/+1/+1 damage or +2 range) to heroic abilities? I did see customise but that seemed to just be notes rather than modifying the actual ability

[pliant fjord]

What's the chance of having the ability to select multiple objectives in an encounter? It's mentioned in the rules of one flowing into another.
Example I have some hostages about to be defenestrated, and also a leader that needs bonkin.
Could this happen plz Andy? Cool if not though.. Still think you're cool...

[urban hollow]

Done

[latent onyx]

Your work is amazing damn, thank you!

[dim turtle]

How do I download characters from Forge Steel on mobile? Exporting as data is coming up with a huge page of numbers and letters which I guess means something to a computer but I don't know how to get it to be a file

[urban hollow]

You'd have to save that page as a file. How you do that will depend on your browser and OS.

[pliant fjord]

Data = for transferring to another device
Pdf = for use at the table.

[dim turtle]

Yeah yeah I need the data

We've been experiencing Forge Steel periodically deleting characters so we try download them as data between sessions

[pliant fjord]

Ah yeah, one of my players had that happen. IOS? Sounds like your browser is periodically deleting cookies

[formal marlin]

Yeah, WebKit (the underlying tech of all browsers on iOS) deletes all local storage after 7 days.

[pliant fjord]

The numbers and letters you're seeing will be the raw character file, you can use it to import into forge steel. It's just not too readable 😂

[pliant fjord]

Oh that's good to know, thanks!

[formal marlin]

Its also the base tech for Safari wherever it is, so this might be an issue for people on Macs that haven't decided to use an alternative browser to that

[latent onyx]

Small note on that, the extra range is only for a ranged attack, but i was applying it to "Behold, the face of evil" which has a melee or range distance, adding distance applied to both, is it possible to make it only apply to the ranged distance? Easy for me to self manage though and just ignore the melee distance

[eternal rapids]

is there a way to have some monsters not count for the EV calculation of an encounter?
for like, NPCs that are on the heroes side or that they can rescue
still wanna have their statblocks handy on the encounter screen, but they aren't part of the encounter budget

[tidal valley]

I made a tactician with rapid fire and cloak and dagger as field arsenal, but the melee free strike isn't getting the cloak and dagger +1, but ranged free strike is getting the +2 from rapid fire. It doesn't seem to matter which i choose first (so I can't make it just use the cloak and dagger melee and ranged bonuses). It seems to be prioritizing the use of both of the rapid fire bonuses (which include +0 for melee).

Also Fade isn't calculating its damage correctly. With might 2 as a tactician I should have 5 damage for a melee Fade (and arguably 6 for a ranged Fade according to how field arsenal describes applying the multiple bonuses). Fade is saying it does 4 damage. The base is 3 which includes the +1 for cloak and dagger so my 2 might gets added for a total of 4 but the app isn't showing it that way for melee.

It's actually removing the +1 melee from cloak and dagger

[urban hollow]

Send me your hero file and I'll take a look

[tidal valley]

sent

and corrected my typo because "clock and dagger" seems like a weird heavy weapon+light weapon dual wielding kit where you have a grandfather clock in one hand and a knife in the other

[digital timber]

Artist: Heidi Neunhoffer

[eternal rapids]

also having issues with tactician
it's applying both the bonuses from my ranged and melee kits to ranged and melee abilities (I have Rapid Fire and Shining Armor)
but it should only apply it once to the melee version and once to the ranged version
(as in, I should be getting +2/2/2 not +4/4/4)

wait

that's my Might

I'm stupid

🤦‍♀️

nevermind

[urban hollow]

Happy to help.

[pseudo marlin]

Just and idea, would it be possible to add something similar to the 'lightning' button (the one which is showing where the dmg numbers are coming from) next to the stamina as well? (for a quick review where the max stamina is coming from)

[sage vapor]

Is something like the Table of Growing ferocity present in Forge Steel?

[exotic arch]

It's under Primordial Strength/Cunning

or the Stormwight versions

[sage vapor]

Jonas my hero as always

[vocal tiger]

Just wanted to say thanks for having the Tomb pregens in as the example characters so they're easy to load up. Running this weekend and this will save me a ton of time!

[sage vapor]

I just worked on a custom class, exported and evrything, but now its Unnamed class I saved multiple times too

man I worked very hard on that too....

[urban hollow]

Send me the sourcebook and I’ll have a look

[sage vapor]

I Dm'd you it, thank you so much

[half rivet]

I am working on a sort-of-universal custom ancestry. Basically, instead of the default Draw Steel ancestries (which don't really fit my setting), I'm making a homebrew ancestry with almost all of the ancestral traits from DS and letting the player pick what makes sense in our setting. Want a birdfolk? Then go for lightweight, wings, and whatever else makes sense.

All of the DS signature traits become purchasable traits with an appropriate cost (typically 1 pt), and letting players spend 4 points total. It seems to be working really well, except for Lightweight and Small. They seem to be priced at an ancestry point cost of -1, effectively increasing the number of points available to buy other traits with. I'm not finding a good way to do that in Forge Steel. I can't assign a negative point cost to them.

As an alternative I tried splitting the traits up into two main top-level features. I give everyone 5 points to spend on the two features. Feature 1 is their physical build (medium size is 1 pt, big is 2, small or lightweight is 0); then Feature 2 is all the remaining traits. But it looks like it give 5 points to spend on each of the 2 top-level features, rather than 5 points total to spend between them.

Any suggestions on how to do this?

[wary yoke]

Was playing around with remaking the Delian Tomb pregens as an exercise in spotting typos
I've notices 2 minor issues with Troubadour in Forge Steel

1. the level 1 choices seems to have an extra skill choice at the very bottom
2. Thunder Mother only substitutes the level in the tier 1 result, not in the tier 2 and 3

While making the Dwarf Fury, who gets the Nature skill twice (from career and class), I was correctly prompted to pick another skill but I was only offered Lore skills, I believe I should be able to choose from any group (see Choosing Skills on p16)

[urban hollow]

Yes, that's a change from the beta, I need to update that

[wary yoke]

Tactician also seems to have the extra interpersonal skill at the bottom

[urban hollow]

Tactician gets one from Vanguard, possibly the troubadour is also picking up a skill from its subclass

[wary yoke]

yes, apologies

[tidal valley]

For the same character that I sent to you:

• Now the Two-Shot power from this character's rapid fire is excluding their might. It should be 6/8/10 because their might is 2.
• Fade is still incorrect for melee. It's only correct for ranged. It should be 5/8/10 for melee and 6/9/11 for ranged
• I switched their heroics to attack abilities to test and they share the same issue as the free strikes where it's only applying the rapid-fire kit to the ranged and not applying the melee bonus from cloak and dagger to the melee/
  The character's combined kits for cloak and dagger + rapid fire field arsenal should be +1/+1/+1 for melee attacks and +2/+2/+2 for ranged attacks.

[urban hollow]

I will have a look.

[eager wave]

Hey I actually find the list of complications super awkward to browse and there's 100 of them.
It shows you all of them but doesn't give all the information. If you want to find out what something does you have to click it and then deselect it to look at the next one. It feels messy and makes me just read the book instead.
Some of the complications have choices so I can understand not seeing everything at once, but idk.

[urban hollow]

I have a plan to make this a little easier.

[urban hollow]

FYI: Two Shot does not add M to damage.

[urban hollow]

Might be fixed now.

[tidal valley]

Looks good!

[versed cargo]

I just tried the Classic Sheet view (great work!) but the characteristics shown on the sheet are the Level 1 versions. The rest of the sheet matches the leveled up character

Same with the HR gain

[exotic arch]

Tide of Death erroneously still has the Strike keyword

[digital timber]

hmm, I should have previously fixed the characteristic display in the classic sheet - let me look into it

yeah, when I look at a leveled up character, I see the increased characteristics and resource gain. Can you send me your hero data so I can take a look?

[versed cargo]

I'm wondering if its b/c I dont have the updated class? I'm not at my computer right now but give me a bit

[versed cargo]

I also maybe should have clarified the pdf export. The classic view looks correct on my end

[pliant fjord]

Heya Andy, uncertain if you browse reddit but this got posted. Seems the culture pages still display anarchic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/drawsteel/comments/1nfwh3r/only_bureaucratic_and_communal_organization/

Couldn't see a bug report on the page but here it is 😅

[urban hollow]

Yes, just the label though, the data is correct

[half rivet]

If you have a custom library with a custom ancestry, is there a way to re-import it with updates? It seems like any attempt to re-import will create a new ancestry with a new id, even though the json file has the id that was in the original export.

[digital timber]

Okay I took a look, and have submitted a PR to fix the bug in the Ability Power Roll numbers not reflecting increased characteristics. I also added an improvement for displaying large Inventory cards with lots of items.

[pliant fjord]

Exactly, idk how the label gets changed 😅

Just saw you added Language Choices at the end, thank you!!!

[gritty blaze]

hello. are there instructions on how to export a forgesteel character into foundry? are they compatible?

[tepid gyro]

Infernal Contract, but like…. Bad

Has a minor typo.

It says thought instead of though

[half rivet]

I have created a custom sourcebook in the library with custom languages and a custom ancestry. I shared the .ds-sourcebook file with my players, and they were able to import that and build characters. They then saved their characters in data format and gave me their .ds-hero files for me to load into Forge Steel. Whenever I try to import their heroes, the character is not created and my console gets the following error:

Am I missing a step, or is there a known issue with importing heroes using custom sourcebook content? If they make a hero using the default sourcebooks only I was able to import them.

I'm happy to submit it as a bug, but I like checking here first just to make sure I'm not missing something as a Forge Steel newbie.

[urban hollow]

I will look into this.

Currently ill, so I have a bit of a backlog, but I’ll get to it!

[exotic arch]

Get your rest Andy, you're a champ

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[digital timber]

@urban hollow should I consider Retainers 'feature complete' right now? Or are there still updates to be made there since release?

[urban hollow]

Everything is feature complete, yes

[digital timber]

hmm okay. Where would I select which option to make at different levels?

for example - if I have a lvl 7 character, and add 'The Nameless' (lvl 6 retainer) as a companion - I don't see the level 7 ability

interestingly, I do see the level 10 ability

oh wait! I think I found it - yup. disregard. I misunderstood and thought the 'Make Choice' button was to re-do the companion choice - not make a choice under my already chosen companion.

[urban hollow]

I’ll probably refactor the retainers soon but yeah, if you have UX suggestions I’m all ears

[upper cypress]

Markdown bug in chimera.

Think it's on every solo monster. This is thorn dragon.

[dusky basin]

Just curious are there still more features meant to be added? If so what are the next big ones? Is the character creator completed?

Thanks again for making forge steel Andy!

[spiral elk]

Hey guys, I’m pretty seriously considering talespire for the mapping for an online game, and using Forge steel to manage the game, running combat and the like.

I’ve used talespire before, but not forge steel, I’ve been browsing through all of its options, but I wonder how good it actually does, particularly sharing the player view screen, while running a combat, and I wondered if anyone had tried it out for managing an encounter and other things?

[sonic merlin]

Is there some obvious way I'm missing to turn a Forge Steel encounter export into a nicely printable PDF? Character sheets export great, just not encounters.

[half rivet]

Thank you, that worked. 🙂

[digital timber]

That is absolutely on my radar - I'm planning on working that next after I add followers/retainers to the character sheet pdf

(talking about the 'classic' sheet)

[urban hollow]

Yes, the hero builder has all the data - in fact, all the data from both the Heroes and Monsters books is included in Forge Steel, up to date.

[versed cargo]

I printed out the Classic sheet to use this weekend, cut out the ability cards, and it worked like a charm!

Great work!

[spiral elk]

So anyone know an answer to this?

[spiral elk]

OK, that would be pretty handy.

[exotic arch]

It's plenty good for running encounters on the Director side. Player view works but I haven't seen many people use that. Usually easier to handle that side of things in the VTT.

[spiral elk]

What VTT are you using? I am looking to use Talespire, which is visually lovely, but doesnt have a lot of game mechanics stuff to manage

[exotic arch]

Well that's what I mean, I haven't seen lots of people (of course my sample size is not statistically significant, but it's more than just a few!) using the player view as intended because the stuff it would be used for (tracking damage, initiative, groups, etc) is easier in Owlbear Rodeo/Roll20/Foundry where you can directly edit the tokens instead. I've tried TaleSpire once or twice but Idk what tools it has in that regard. So you may be a pioneer on the subject!

[spiral elk]

hm, maybe so! LOL

[snow geyser]

Heads up ☺️ It looks like the Lucky Dog perk has the damage as a flat 6+level, rather than the 1d6+level that it's supposed to

[urban hollow]

That was a tricky one. Might be fixed now.

[tidal valley]

Level 4 Elementalist - For Green specialization Mantle of Essence is showing the Void benefit not the Green one.

[digital timber]

Retainers - A number of retainer abilities have missing keywords: for example the Nameless' I'm Not a Steed, You're Equipment is missing the Melee keyword, and the Devil Defector has Melee instead of Ranged for Tempting Offer and is missing Ranged on Flames of Revenge and Hell on Earth

(going to make a repo issue for this as well, just wanted to drop it here for visibility)

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[snow geyser]

Hmmm... doesn't seem to be fixed 100% yet. Sorry to add a feisty one for ya 😅 It's definitely not a huge issue for me but I did want to bring it to your attention since someone not familiar with that perk from the books could get mixed signals.

In the hero builder

• When selecting the perk, it's a flat number (1st pic)
• After selecting, it describes the roll + level from the rules (2nd pic)

In the features tab

• Its a flat number in the features tab, even after un-selecting the perk and re-selecting (3rd pic)
• It's a flat number when I click the perk for more detail/to customize (4th pic)

In the interest of full coverage, I got these screenshots after de-selecting and re-selecting the perk. I also just checked by making a new character from scratch, and it's that same way.

[urban hollow]

And you've refreshed the app?

[snow geyser]

🫢 Apparently not as well as I thought I had. Looks all accurate now! My apologies 😭

[digital timber]

did the Hero 'Update Data' button get merged into automatic default behavior?

[urban hollow]

Yeah, no-one reported any issues with it

[digital timber]

okay - double checked this time and the collapsible panel background color is messed up in the main app in dark mode:

[formal marlin]

Just as a sanity check, seeing the same thing on my end

[digital timber]

sometimes I get bamboozled by browser cache

[digital timber]

not sure if it's due to the data update - but with one of my test characters, updating my local branch to the latest appears to have broken all of the character's titles. All of the title Features are present in the character still, but the selectedFeatureIDs all got wiped - and the UI doesn't seem to be handling it well (there's nothing I can find to click to perform any choice):

[urban hollow]

That’s annoying.

[jagged sequoia]

Is Forge Steel still available? When I go to https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/#/hero there is only a blank page.

[soft cosmos]

It's up for me!

[jagged sequoia]

When I go there its just a blank white page. Any idea what would cause that?

[soft cosmos]

What browser are you using?

[jagged sequoia]

Chrome

[soft cosmos]

Does this URL work?
https://andyaiken.github.io/forgesteel/

[jagged sequoia]

Nope same result

[soft cosmos]

Try a different browser? Mine works perfectly across all of my browsers

[jagged sequoia]

Clearing cache to see if that resolves it.

[jagged sequoia]

OK that worked. Wiped out the characters I created but oh well. I can recreate them easy enough.

[jagged sequoia]

I have the PDFs so I just gotta reenter them. I will download the code version this time so I can always reimport.

[near cedar]

Cache clearing worked for me but I can't customize monster features at all.

[urban hollow]

A hard refresh will fix this - it’s due to a PWA change that was added

[digital timber]

hmm, for Titles - even deleting the old ones and re-adding them only works until the next refresh. Then the selections all clear again

[urban hollow]

Yes, I'm fixing that now.

[digital timber]

I wonder if it has to do with using UUIDs for the feature id, since that would mess with attempts to match

ah cool

[urban hollow]

Fixed and deployed now

[digital timber]

yup, fixed it! And without having to re-select the titles again - awesome work

[jagged sequoia]

Could you export your custom stuff and then just reimport after a change? Would that solve it?

[urban hollow]

It wasn't an issue with custom content, no

[vocal tiger]

Trying to edit an ability and the text for everything inside the editing box itself is white on white; illegible

Looks like it was an issue with Firefox dark mode?

[urban hollow]

I’ll have a look

[urban hollow]

I'm not seeing an issue - where are you editing? Have you refreshed and got the latest version of the app?

[vocal tiger]

I had made a custom class and was trying to edit its cost. Library -> classes -> homebrew Censor -> Edit -> Abilities. Select any Ability and nothing is legible. I'm on desktop; do IA need to do anything specific to be on the latest app version?

2nd picture has text highlighted so you can see the difference

[urban hollow]

When you click the About button, you should see version 11.16.0

[vocal tiger]

Ah no I'm on 11.11.0. That would do it! Are there instructions in this channel on how to update?

[urban hollow]

Just refresh your browser.

[vocal tiger]

hmm I closed the whole browser and re-opened it earlier today. I hit refresh and it's still showing 11.11.0

[urban hollow]

Try a hard refresh - how you do that will depend on your browser, but I have faith in you, you'll work it out.

[vocal tiger]

Thanks! I appreciate the help 🙏

Hard refresh worked! Thanks again 🙂

[digital timber]

Yeah I've been having trouble today with my browser randomly deciding to revert to an old version even after a hard refresh. It's weird

[urban hollow]

Yes, someone wanted to add PWA functionality to the app, and it's causing issues.

Will probably need to revert.

[vocal tiger]

I am also having two other relatively small issues

1. The app keeps un-selecting the Lore skill I choose for Oracle Censor from Blessing of Comprehension whenever I close the tab and re-launch Forge Steel

2. Cost-changing features seem to break the UI a bit as I took Following in the Footsteps as my complication; I edited the cost (related to what I was doing above) after selecting the ability which had the cost increase. I can see it in my Actions, but when I go to Edit -> Class, the 5-cost ability option is no longer there (since the ability I have chosen no longer costs 5 after editing it in the Library section)

Also I don't want to sound like I'm being nitpicky; overall the tool is incredible so I am extremely grateful for the work you're doing. Best tool for DS that there is IMO

This could also come into play with the "Learn from a Master" downtime project that reduces an ability's cost

[tender flame]

Why can't I add minions in groups of 4?

Also why does it give 3 EV for 8 when it should be 3 for 4?

[digital timber]

Classic Sheet Update

Followers and Retainers

• Followers and Retainers now display in the classic sheet. Because of their layout and size, if there are any Retainers, those pages will be forced into portrait orientation. If you have selected landscape, other pages will still be in landscape.

Other Changes

• Improved the display & layout when a hero has many titles, the original 'Titles' section will display a list of titles, with the full details in a reference card.
• Move Actions now have a specific ability color just like Main Actions, Maneuvers, Triggered Actions, and Performances. It's currently a mustard-ish color, and I'm not super set on that color like I am with the other action colors - so if someone with better knowledge of color design for print has a suggestion - I'm all ears!

[tender flame]

Like if this is a known issue I'll be on my way again. I don't want to rain on your update parade or anything.

[urban hollow]

Have you tried changing the minion count in Options?

[tender flame]

I didn't know that was there. Hyper thanks man.

Is there an option to add generic Malice to the Malice section?

[urban hollow]

When you’re running an encounter? Does it not show up when you select a monster?

[daring forge]

I just had a glitch with Forge Steel and have lost all my prep - it doesn't seem you can Export prepared encounters etc. only things in your library. Does anyone have any suggestions / fixes so that this doesn't happen again?

[tender flame]

Uh... Show up where?

[clear echo]

I don't know if this is just me, but forge steel is just white whenever I click on it?

it does appear to be specifically a me issue, I opened an incognito tab and it works fine

but it doesn't with my other tab...

[rough halo]

Can't speak for andy, he might have a better answer for this. But, usually, problems like that can be easily solved by hard refresh. Depending on your browser, hard refresh has different hotkeys, but it's usually ctr+shift+r or something similar.

[clear echo]

hey! that worked!

amazing, thank you :-D

also: is there a way where you can make a homebrew title so that the default doesn't make you choose between the features

I made custom titles for all 6 of my players and each of them had to choose between the features when I wanted them to get 2 features

[exotic arch]

Just make each title have one feature? Or did you want them to each have like 2/3?

[clear echo]

they gain one title, each title grants what is essentially an ancestry feature and a 3-cost ability

each title has 2 different features, but the default titles setting (I believe) makes it so you have to choose one of the two features

at the moment my solution will be to create a "choice" and then have it so you can choose both features, I'll see if that works

[urban hollow]

Make the feature a Multiple Feature

[sly arch]

Does anyone else use the brave browser because for some reason today it's not loading forged steel

[potent flicker]

Worked for me today. One of my players it won't, however

[storm forge]

Hard refresh your browser has been the recent recommendation

[south rose]

yep, can confirm

ah yeah, it's a cache thing. If you open in a private tab it works

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73583930/clear-cache-for-just-one-site-brave-or-chrome-or-opera-browsers

[gritty blaze]

looking for guide on how to export a character from forgesteel into foundry. if its even possible.

[ancient seal]

Forge Steel has been absolutely wonderful for my tables needs, but I was wondering if it had a notes section? I feel like a version of it had it once, but I could be imagining that. Nevermind, I found the notes section!

[urban hollow]

Yesterday's white-screen issues have hopefully be solved - give it a hard refresh just in case.

[rough halo]

I just notice that when you import the "core" or "orden" sourcebook after exporting them, it's being treated the same as the default core and orden sourcebook, and therefore cannot be eidted nor deleted. Is this issue already known?

it also creates a wacky interaction like this (this one seems to only be on the front end and dissapear after refresh, tho)

[urban hollow]

Ah, you shouldn't be able to export the read-only sourcebooks, I'll fix that.

[neon briar]

Hello.
I created my Censor in Forge Steel.
I picked Oracle domain which should give me Magic skill by default.->It didn't give it by default.
For now I custom add it, but I just notify in case it's an easy fix for future newbies that will use the webapp.
Thanks for your time and most of all, thanks for forge steel.

[half rivet]

If you mean that you're going to block the export of the Core and Orden sources, I'd like to request seeing if there is another solution to the issue. I found it invaluable to export these sources when I wanted to make custom content. I used them as an example of what I needed to do, and had convenient access to the original features and abilities that I could copy/paste/modify. Maybe instead of preventing export, you could remove or alter the id so that it can't be reimported into the same data structure?

[rough halo]

This is exactly what i did after i encounter the issue. Just make a few code to generate a base64 random number for ID, replace every id with it, and it's usable as a sourcebook. Don't forget to change the parameter of homebrew to true, tho.

[half rivet]

Yep, I thought that might be sufficient. My vote (for what that's worth; Andy can decide whatever works best for him of course!) would be for an export option to still be there for the read-only sources, but during export the ids are altered by adding an "hb" for homebrew to the front or end, or something like that.

Or maybe the fix is on the re-import process, where it won't accept anything with a duplicate id if the original isn't marked as homebrew? That way the altered ids couldn't just be altered by the user in a way that would conflict again. Not sure what the best solution is, but hopefully it isn't removing the export.

[urban hollow]

You can of course export anything you like from within any sourcebook, you just can’t export the entirety of Core or Orden - because why would you?

[formal marlin]

To get all the data in a convenient form to import into my own projects 😛

[urban hollow]

Well you can get that by exporting whatever you’re interested in.

[formal marlin]

But its less convenient than doing it all at once 😄

I am entirely joking btw, closest thing I have to an idea for a project is maybe making a backend so I can host a version of your app in a place I can log into from multiple devices and see the same character sheets

[grim pasture]

@urban hollow A possible bug in Forge Steel: When trying to build a Tactician. For a while now it the app hasn't allowed me to put in the perk or skill you get at level 10. But recently it's expanded to not allowing me to do anything for level 9 either. Another minor issue is that the Demigod Title has Immortal Excellence and Longevity as things to select when they are default to the Title.

[spiral elk]

is there a way for someone to make a character on forge steel on their computer and share it with me in some way on MY computer so I can create encounters without having to make their characters myself as well?

Also: it seems that if I use the player view of forge steel's combat manager, they can see everything i can, including monster stats and the like. Is there a way to prevent this?

[soft cosmos]

The first question is answered via JSON export for the and then you import it

[hollow widget]

I couldn't find a way to increase max recoveries, like with the humans trait.

[urban hollow]

In homebrew or for a hero?

[urban hollow]

For a hero you can add a bonus, recoveries in this case, using Manage / Customize

For homebrew you can add a Bonus Feature

[hollow widget]

Thanks.

It was my bad, I thought that everyone got 10 base recoveries.

[dawn geyser]

Forge Steel newbie here... If I create custom/homebrew content for my players, e.g., ancestry, kit, etc., how can I share that with my players so that they can use Forge Steel to create characters using that custom/homebrew content? (I'll likely have follow-on questions later based on the answer.) Thanks.

[formal marlin]

If you make sure to use the same Sourcebook name for all the homebrew you want to group together then in Library you can export those Sourcebooks and players can use the file that gives you to import it to their instance of Forge Steel

[rough halo]

Alternatively, if you want to share a singular item (e.g : you just made a new kit, and you want to share that kit to a specific person or the group) you can just use the export functionality on that specific item.

Your player can then import the item into their own sourcebook.

Keep in mind that for them to use it, they have to manually choose their sourcebook (defaulted to unnamed sourcebook) in character creation during the first section. The default sourcebooks used at the beginning of character creations are Core and Orden.

[half rivet]

Is there anyway to add a sourcebook to a character after creation? If not, should there be a default "Homebrew" sourcebook (empty of content) that is always there alongside Core and Orden?

[exotic arch]

Yes, just go back into editing and add it on the first tab

Oddly don't see it on mobile but can do it on desktop

[half rivet]

Well, I'm just blind. I looked for it (on desktop) a week ago and didn't see it... 🙂

It would be more self-reassuring if I'd done it on mobile though...

[hazy lantern]

Is there a way to add a free strike or to make Hurl Elements show up under free strikes?

One of my players is struggling with the idea that they can use Hurl Element as a free strike, when it’s not listed as a free strike in the interface. (Just one instance of hyper-literal interpretation of implementation overriding the letter of the rules).

I also imagine being able to create a new free strike would be useful once the Summoner is officially released.

[urban hollow]

Sensible, yes - you can now flag abilities with 'can be used as a free strike'.

[exotic arch]

Oh bless

[weak kestrel]

Suggestion: because some perks are related to the group to which the skill belongs, e.g. Lucky Dog applies to skills of the intrigue group, it would be nice QoL if skills somehow displayed the group they belong to on the printable sheet

[digital timber]

How do you mean? The skills are grouped in the classic sheet, at least

[weak kestrel]

I mean that Export as PDF from the Forge Steel app lists skills in alphabetical order with no reference to their skill group

[digital timber]

See if the classic sheet (View > Classic sheet) serves you

[weak kestrel]

Ah yep, that it does! Thanks for pointing out that option

[jagged sequoia]

@urban hollow Is there a way to add new weapons to Forge Steel? We have a Secret World game and the GM would like to add pistols, rifles, and shotguns.

[formal marlin]

That feels like adding new kits to me, to do that go into Library > Kits and then click on Add in the top right. If your GM makes them they can export them so all the players can import them into their Forge Steels

If you're looking to add anything else (a "magic" item for instance) you can do the same in the right subsection of the Library

[jagged sequoia]

@formal niche Does this help? ^

[urban hollow]

You'd still need to specify the weapon type, and there's currently no way to add a new weapon type.

[spiral elk]

ok so I was just noticing that you cant quite exactly remake the pregen characters from Delian Tomb exactly in Forge Steel without some custom alterations. For example the skills on the censor pregen and what you make in forge steel come out with a different number. Was this a mistake with Delian tomb, with forge steel, or with me?! LOL

[soft cosmos]

the pregens are most likely incorrect, there's a list of known bugs related to them if you do the !ds-bugs command in the main channel
For example, the Dwarf Fury has the incorrect stability number

[digital timber]

Using the v1.01 Delian Tomb pregens as my reference, I was able to create them without any customizations necessary - they may require creative skill selections, but I didn't need to add any extras.

[wooden geyser]

I don't think the !ds-bugs command has an errata for the Delian Tomb, but I've listed the bugs I'm aware of in the v1.01 pregens here: https://www.tswilkinson.me/delian-tomb-bugs

[wary yoke]

I dropped the list of issues I’ve found (including skills mismatches) here #1342298358664138805 message

[spiral elk]

lds-bugs in the main channel of this discord? like #1185001794921836664 or #ds_general or???

[spiral elk]

ah thanks!!!

So im assuming the takeway then is that the pregens are in error and Forge Steel is functioning correctly at least as how characters are built?

[wary yoke]

That is a good starting point at least

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19493861

[fair nimbus]

I have a request for the Classic Sheet options. Could there be an Option to have all Cards be the same size? Looks like 9 per portrait, and 8 per landscape is the standard for the largest size. For live play users that want to actually cut them into physical cards on cardstock having different sizes makes it awkward.

[digital timber]

That's on the list of requested features - but unfortunately it is a pretty difficult problem due to the wide variance in ability text length.

[sturdy marlin]

Is there a way to view the generic malice features during an encounter?

[pearl laurel]

If you click on a monster statblock during combat, these options will come up. Select the malice tab and you can see the generic and specific malice options for the encounter

[daring forge]

As an idea for a future feature, might it be possible to link an Adventure to a Source Book or set of encounters? I'm unsure what the purpose is for it otherwise, as encounters can't be put into a source book either

[dim turtle]

How do you add weapon enchantments?

[urban hollow]

Yes, you can add encounters (and montages, and negotiations) to adventures.

[urban hollow]

In your inventory, select Inbued Weapon (or armor or implement) and you can add inbuements to it

[dim turtle]

Ah gotcha! Thank you

[daring forge]

Maybe I'm being stupid then - how do you do that?

[dim turtle]

The chilling 1 enchantment is giving me +1 damage to all tiers as opposed to the +3 to T3 result

[urban hollow]

When you add a plot point to an adventure, you can add encounters etc to its content list.

[thick axle]

I have noticed a bug with combining multiple kits, using the Tactician's Field Arsenal. I did a search and found someone mentioned something similar above (Werlynn on 13/9), so I'm not sure if it's a known issue or meant to be fixed. Anyway, I have a character with both Ranger and Rapid Shot, but it is not showing the Melee Weapon Damage properly, and not applying the proper +2 damage bonus to Hamstring Shot, assuming I understand it all.

[digital timber]

What are you seeing that is incorrect? I made a quick test character with Ranger and Rapid Fire kits and it looks correct to me:

The damage with 'just' Ranger is 3/5/7, but that's because it already includes the +1/+1/+1 bonus from that kit

[thick axle]

This is my Hamstring Shot. As far as I can see the damage should be 7/9/11. For example, the first tier is 3+M+2 (from Rapid Fire).

No wait, I understand. It is really 2+M+2 because I am double-counting bonuses.

The melee weapon bonus is blank, though, and I'm fairly sure that should be +1/+1/+1:

[digital timber]

you're right

strange - my test character shows the numbers:

could you DM me your hero data (export with Export > Export as Data)

[sage vapor]

When running an encounter, in DM's view is there an option to show that someone has used a reaction this round? Like a button you toggle?

[terse crystal]

Hey, is there a way to use Forge Steel and choose a custom class? The example is i have player wanting to play the Summoner thats in beta.

[exotic arch]

You have to make the class using the homebrew tools, then apply your homebrew sourcebook to the character in the editor

[terse crystal]

Got it, thank you!

[torpid rampart]

Is there a way to save my Forge Steel data more reliably? My data on one device got cleared and I lost my characters, encounters, etc.

[pliant fjord]

Export each char as data, import and update as needed then re-export.

[ashen kiln]

And put a copy od that folder on@ a cloud somewhere (or on a physical backup off course)

[versed cargo]

I was trying to add a Malice Ability in the Monsters section, and got a very weird bug where the entire monster group went blank. But the data was still there

[sand nova]

low priority issue, IMO, but a bug i did bump into: when exporting character sheets as a PDF, skills will get cut off

[digital timber]

What layout options did you use when exporting?

[sand nova]

classic

[digital timber]

I mean, page size? orientation?

[sand nova]

here, i'll copy-paste my options:

[digital timber]

hmm, I'm not reproducing what you're seeing exactly, but it does seem like there might be something wonky with the skills. I'll take a look

[sand nova]

it may be a chrome thing? or my dumb work computer thing? i dunno.

either way, much appreciated. you've done great work!

[digital timber]

is it only happening with certain character(s)? If so, could you dm me the hero data so I can try to reproduce exactly?

[sand nova]

it seems to be happening to all my characters. i'll send two different hero data to see if it reproduces for you

[digital timber]

@urban hollow is there a way in the encounter builder to explicitly mark a creature as a captain to a group of minions? Or should it be assumed that there will only be at most 1 non-minion in a group with minions, and if there is one, that creature is the captain?(at least at build time)

[urban hollow]

Not in the encounter builder - you can set it in the encounter runner, but the system assumes that an initiative group that has minions will have a second slot with non-minions.

[urban hollow]

If you don't have that, it's not a problem - you can manually set anyone to be the minion captain. But if you do, it'll set the captain automatically.

[crystal tulip]

Is there a way to export to pdf outside of the Classic view? I know that was previously a thing but I wanted to check if it had been permanently superseded

[urban hollow]

No, that's been removed - the classic sheet is much less prone to errors.

[crystal tulip]

Gotcha, thanks for confirming!

[timid bluff]

Andy and active contributors, I just want to mention how much I appreciate your efforts. I've been a huge fan of MCDM for years, but since finding out about FS in r/DrawSteel it has been my primary way to interact with the content. You've made an incredible utility/service and I just wanted to make sure you know how much I appreciate it. To me it's an integral part of the experience and I couldn't be more thrilled. Andy, I hope MCDM offers you a job. You're a gem! 💎

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/generous-god-gif-11629859

[timid bluff]

I also have a feature idea 💡. I found myself wishing I had a small initiative/ round tracker near the start/end encounter buttons. There are some resources you get once per round and some you get on your turn. I find myself losing track when there's a lot of players. I would love to see functionality that greys-out the once per round buttons after you add the resource for that round so you don't keep tapping it. Then once the director says "new round", you hit the button, it shows round 2, 3, etc on a number line, and un-greys all your resource buttons so you can use them on your turn. This would accomplish a few things, it would obviously do the thing described, but also, nobody would need to keep asking what round it was, and there could be an area for any EoT conditions a character still has. Anyone else think this could be useful?

[exotic arch]

While editing a homebrew monster, the preview on the right updates live as I edit. But when I edit an item, I have to save and open it to show changes, sometimes multiple times. Might be what this comment was talking about?

[stone goblet]

Not sure if this is the place to request QoL improvements, but here's what I've seen while running encounters through FS:

• It'd be nice to have Malice features more readily when running an encounter. Maybe there could be a pop-up at the start of an enemy's turn asking which (if any) malice features you want to use.
• I feel like I should be able to see Villain Actions listed in the same place as triggered actions during player turns
• It would be awesome if I could just apply damage and conditions directly to player characters, though maybe that's something players should just be in charge of tracking instead

[digital timber]

Forge Steel - [Beta] Classic Encounter Sheet

Encounters now have a classic sheet PDF export option in Forge Steel! This feature is still in beta, so there will be quirks and bugs - please report them here or in GitHub so they can be addressed. Thanks!

[upper cypress]

This is Awesome!! Thanks a lot!!

[distant imp]

there is a bug that a bleeding character is prompted about this when using a maneuver that should not trigger it (eg catch breath or drink potion)

[storm forge]

This is super cool!

I am getting the Encounter roster cut off on mine. The number of heroes and victories on the Classic Sheet is based on the "A custom party" from the modern sheet, even if on the modern sheet a different party is selected. Also all the Malice options are available even when only Echelon 1 monsters are selected, but that is also an issue on the Modern Sheet.

I looked at some older encounters. Looks like it is specifically the War Dog Malice features that are pushing the encounter roster down the page

[digital timber]

thanks for letting me know - one of the things that is not in the Encounter sheet yet is something cutting off the Malice features past a certain length and putting them in some reference block or something on a later page (like the class features in her sheets). However that is certainly one of the top priorities for getting this more usable!

also - would you be willing to DM me the encounter data you're using? having a broader spectrum of real-world encounters to test with is incredibly useful

[storm forge]

Will do

[digital timber]

this is great because I also see like 2 other issues I didn't catch previously that bug me. Onto the list they go!

[wind merlin]

Hi! I've been doing some work on translating the Character Sheets, and designing other stuff. I'm a big fan of Forge Steel, and I'd love to see some way of adding translations to parts of it.

Not sure if there's any plans already to do that, but happy to do some research on the best way to handle it in case it makes sense. What I did for has been with Photoshop, and I want to make it as accessible as possible for other people to translate into their own language. Photoshop is not the best for that though

[soft cosmos]

I cannot stress enough how amazing the Classic Sheet is for encounters, IT"S SO NICE

[exotic arch]

Want to check that anyone else can recreate this before I make a ticket. If I make a homebrew feature or monster with an action, and add something in the Qualifier field, it adds (parentheses) around the qualifier. But if I delete that text, the parentheses remain, even after saving and reloading it. Happen to anybody else?

[wary yoke]

the classic character sheet pdf export is misaligning some skills

[urban hollow]

Fixed I think

[digital timber]

grr, is this still happening? I thought I had fixed that with the latest update

make sure you're seeing at least v11.31.0

[wary yoke]

I’ll double check the version in the morning

[soft cosmos]

I've somehow wound up in a weird state for a homebrew encounter that features a custom homebrew Demon group where I don't see an encounter roster and I get cutoff items at the bottom of the classic sheet (Which carries over to the PDF)
Here's the encounter
I've attached the homebrew monster group (I cloned the demon group since I wanted to create a homebrew demon but wanted to just reuse the Demon malice options, which may have been what led to this bugged state?)

[wary yoke]

sorry for the delay, the about say v11.31.0
it only happens when I use the "Export as PDF (high res)" button, regular export as pdf works fine

[digital timber]

huh, that's really odd. What OS/browser are you using? and what page layout options?

[digital timber]

ah, interesting! yeah, I still haven't come up with a solution to "there's a lot of malice features for this encounter, where/how to cut them off and put them somewhere else"

However, there's a PR up now that does improve the layout of the Malice panel a lot, as well as get rid of the whole, 'displaying malice features for higher echelons than there are monsters' thing.
I'll also look into explicitly getting rid of any duplicate features so that directors can reuse existing malice features in their homebrew creatures and not see them duplicated

[soft cosmos]

That would almost certainly solve my issues, thank you!!

[digital timber]

huh, interesting that the encounter data doesn't include the hero count, avg level, or number of victories. I feel like that would be useful to include with the encounter data? Though since I haven't used the tool itself a ton, in practice that may be wrong

[soft cosmos]

It normally has that info, unless I'm insane?

[urban hollow]

Not in the encounter itself - it's assumed that you could use an encounter with any party.

[soft cosmos]

Ah right, it's a global setting

[soft cosmos]

Another Classic Sheet encounter bug:
Malice features tied to specific monsters appear to not be showing properly?
More information here: #ds_homebrew message

[digital timber]

thanks for the heads up - I'll take a look

oh, haha yeah that's almost certainly a result of me working on Retainers first and not paying close enough attention to all of the differences once I then also started doing proper monsters

[wary yoke]

Firefox on windows, using the default letter portrait layout

[digital timber]

I made some changes that hopefully address the misaligned skills thing - but changes I made in the previous update fixed that issue for me (also in Windows/FF), so I haven't been able to reproduce anymore so I'm not 100% certain.

[digital timber]

fixed

[surreal patrol]

for Homebrew classes, there is an option to allow a choice of primary characteristics (in my case, I am making the choice be between Might/Reason and Agility/Reason) further into the options for a characteristic increase, I see no way to make it a choice between two characteristics (for this class it would be a bump to Reason and either M or A). is there something I'm missing?

[wary yoke]

well... it's better... crafting and exploration are no properly aligned, but interpersonal and intrigue are still weird (version 11.37)

[urban hollow]

Just make it a Choice feature.

[digital timber]

okay, as a hail mary - could you DM me the hero data so I can see if I can reproduce? otherwise, could you see if a different browser gives the same result for you?

[fathom badge]

Is it normal that if you have several encounters started, it only shows one? I prepped for 3 counters tonight and wanted to number all of my creatures ahead of time in a specific manner for colour coding. But when I switch between encounters, it only shows the first one. Tried Chrome and Firefox, even making new encounters, no change. Any help with this if I'm doing something incorrectly?

(Also I'm silly, I called in Phandelver not Phandalin 😩 )

[urban hollow]

Give it a refresh, should be fixed now.

[fathom badge]

Awesome! It works! Thanks a bunch!

Also, has there been any consideration to add a little button start/end turns? I find the little menu a liiitle clunky/hard to see since the dots are so small.

Been jumping back in to use FS for my in person games and I am loving all the improvements since I last checked in!

[urban hollow]

There's quite a big button to handle the initiative order

[fathom badge]

I must be VERY blind cus I don't see it. I'm so sorry lemme check again XD

Ah, I hadn't added heroes yet. I was tinkering around before adding them in. Deeply sorry. I found it strange to be so hidden, now I see why. That was not the intended interaction.

[wary yoke]

here you go

[wind merlin]

Hello! Small change for the Classic Sheet that might be good. The original character sheet, on page 1, has the fields, from left to right.

Ancestry Class
Career Subclass

But in Forge Steel it's
Ancestry Career
Classs Subclass

Maybe this was intentional, but if you want to change it I can do the PR myself if you want 🙂

Same with potencies, the order in the original sheet is WEAK AVERAGE STRONG, and in Forge Steel it's STRONG AVERAGE WEAK

[digital timber]

looks like the mcdm character sheet has been updated since the classic sheet was initially created

[storm forge]

The classic encounter sheet minion stat blocks are missing the 'with captain' bonus.

[digital timber]

fixed

[urban hollow]

@digital timber Just FYI I can reproduce this

[urban hollow]

It only seems to happen on export, not in the app itself

[digital timber]

Yeah, in my testing (when I could reproduce it) it seemed to have to do with the canvas conversion process having trouble with fractional px font sizes (due to using rem instead of px). For me, once I added the rounding it has gone away

[wary yoke]

Yep, it only happens on some characters when I do the high res export
But it’s reliable happening for those characters

[digital timber]

Does it only seem to happen on the skills list, and only on the first entry of the second column?

[urban hollow]

I'll send the PDF

[digital timber]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-bullets-wet-watered-gif-13073414

waiting to see if this latest update fixes that issue

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[wary yoke]

Can confirm it's fixed on my end

[digital timber]

https://tenor.com/view/讚啦-gif-26251117

[wary yoke]

Thanks for digging into this

[timid bluff]

Hey peeps, can somebody remind me how to add a second complication? I looked into the ⚙️ and manage in the top right and looked at customize. I couldn't find it in there. Is it actually in there or was I in the wrong place? I remember reading in here that it's possible, but I can't remember for the life of me how to do it.

[sonic matrix]

Oh a pretty sizable bug. Elementalist lv1 Choice: Elementalist Ward -> Ward of Excellent Protection currently grants immunity to all the various types. It should be a selection, making you choose one type to have immunity to

[wind merlin]

Bug or Feature? 👀 😆

[storm forge]

Looks like there might be a bug in whirlwind signature ability

[bright pecan]

Is there a way to adjust encounter difficulty to be based off a group of 4 heroes at a level higher than 1?

Disregard, found the settings!

[upper cypress]

Found a bug "Choose three of your skills" missing from the complication.

[urban hollow]

Not a bug - the kit bonuses aren't factored in until they're added to a hero.

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

[urban hollow]

You cannot add a second complication. You can work around it by adding features in Manage / Customize.

[storm forge]

Oops, my bad. I never noticed that before.

[lost sierra]

2 part question about forge steel, setting and running encounters: Trying to set up an encounter where it has one group, each with four minions (not a group of 8). I couldn't do it. So I made 2 groups, each with 4 minions. However, when I run an encounter and it's the first group of minions and I want to end their turn and use the second group of minions, it will only let me choose someone from the hero side. How do you set up groups with multiples of the same monster seperated? Also, if I want to choose a monster or hero to go next, is there anywhere to turn on showing everyone to choose from instead of just the next logical side? Thanks

[urban hollow]

Ah, you can't (currently) have two of the same sort of monster in an encounter group.

And, an enhancement I'm working on now is to allow the director to have more control over who goes next in the initiative order, that'll solve your issue.

[fathom badge]

Would it be possible to allow changing the names of monsters in the groups when prepping an encounter? I noticed I can only do it once I start running one. It's helpful for me because I label my monsters in a specific way for colours and a number. I use pawns in person that I have.

[urban hollow]

You can change the names of the encounter groups, is that helpful?

[timid bluff]

Okay, thanks 😊

[fathom badge]

Somewhat, I like being able to change the individual creature names to match my pawns. So I'll make Red Group and then add a number to each creature in that group

Not a huge inconvenience. I just do it in the encounter once I hit run to get it going.

[lost sierra]

Thank you Andy

[wind merlin]

Oooooh this is nice! Are the STL files available?

[fathom badge]

I might make them available at some point, yeah! I'm new to this whole thing. Just picked up a printer. Dusted off the old modelling skills from college haha

I have condition ones that stack between them with magnets

[snow geyser]

I haven't seen this discussed in my quick search: Is it feasible to have weaknesses and immunities subtract from each other on the character sheets, so that they reflect the true state rather than having e.g. Fire Weakness 5 and Fire Immunity 5 at the same time? I don't know if this is a difficult ask, just something I have run into a couple times now 😅

[south rose]

they dont subtract from eachother in the rules though. You apply the immunity after the weakness. If you're at -9 Stamina, -18 would kill you, you have fire weakness 5 and fire immunity 5 and you get hit with 4 fire damage, you're dead (I think?)

[snow geyser]

Mmm. I don't think that's the case, as immunity applies as you take the damage. You don't get healed by the amount of your immunity, right?

But I was perhaps being overly reductive in my thoughts that they simply cancel each other out, according to the weakness rules pg 277

[exotic arch]

You wouldn't instantly die before a step of damage calculation applies. You can even use triggers to heal before you die. The game isn't that strict.

BUT it's still true that they don't directly cancel because weakness applies before halving and immunity applies after. So if you're at -9 and -18 would kill you, and you take 21 fire damage, it would increase to 26, then you'd halve it to 13, then you'd take 8 and be alive!

Actually wait I'm not sure that's true either 😂

Well, that's my best guess. Idk why it's worded the way it is if it doesn't work that way. Otherwise it could just straight cancel

[wary yoke]

it's worded as "apply weakness first then immunity" to avoid issues with underflow

ie, you take 3 damage, have immunity 5 and weakness 4
if you apply the immunity first the damage is reduced to 0 and now we have to figure out if the weakness does anything at all
if you apply the weakness first, the damage goes up to 7, immunity reduces it to 2 and we're done

as worded on p277, the weakness also applies after multiplicative effects since it "works like damage immunity"

I suspect the rules don't say "they just cancel out" because that is a more complex concept than "just apply one then the other" especially when they could have different "breadths" and durations

[exotic arch]

Well-said, I concur on all points

[lost sierra]

Great example, is there a breakdown of the order of execution somewhere? There are a ton of things that can happen and that example was a great one that's several stamina difference if done wrong

[exotic arch]

There's no breakdown and FWIW I'm pretty sure I'm wrong, see Sigfried's message above

The game is not very specific about timing

[wary yoke]

It is thankfully very clear about the order immunity and weakness apply, see p277

All other modifications (including multiplicative effects) -> weakness -> immunity

[exotic arch]

Well, I wouldn't say very clear, but clear enough 😅

[lost sierra]

So you add them, +weakness and -immunity. Define multiplicative effects, what does that cover?

[wary yoke]

Things that say “double the damage” for example

[lost sierra]

Double or halve etc? You'd combine the weakness and immunity then the mult. Gotcha

[wary yoke]

No

Multiplication then weakness, then immunity

[exotic arch]

(let's go to #ds_general or #ds_director-advice if this is gonna continue so we don't spam Forge Steel)

[safe apex]

hey question my players have run into an issue with their characters getting deleted, is this a known issue? or something to do with accessing forge stell via mobile.

[south rose]

are they making the character on mobile? then later they check and it's not there?

cuz if you make a hero on PC, it's not going to show up on mobile automatically

[pliant fjord]

Are they on an Apple device?
#1284267513084903485 message

[timid bluff]

I have a possible bug. I'm on a Windows laptop, using Firefox and I've reloaded the page to get the latest revision.

Yesterday and today I've had domains and the sub-selections on a Censor and Conduit unpicked when I closed the sheet, opened another, and went back. Upon reopening I've had to reselect the choices like which level one power or which skill. I'm saving before closing and it's only been Trickery and Knowledge so far.

[real timber]

Is there a way to choose for the tactician which kit bonus they get from each kit?

My player has Shining Armor and Mountian and wants the abilities to auto calculate using the mountains +0/+0/+4 as opposed to the +2/+2/+2

[storm forge]

Oh, I had something similar happen to my Censor but I thought it was just a one off after the big update. I just went back to it and the domain features are unselected. Looks like this happens whenever I close the Forge Steel tab, if I stay within Forge Steel it is fine.

[timid bluff]

I haven't closed the tab in months. Maybe reloading does functionally the same thing.

[safe apex]

they are making it on a mobile or tablet.

[safe apex]

i dont think so maybe

[real timber]

Is this just not possible?

[urban hollow]

You should see something like this.

[real timber]

You can only select one though per respite so they wanted to know if you can select one so that it calculates for them. Main reason being it isn’t showing those options at the bottom when they print to a character sheet

Perhaps this is more a feature request then 😄

Here’s the relevant rule for your consideration. Is it possible to add this as a feature (that you can choose which kit’s damage bonus applies) so that the auto calculations occur?

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[idle shoal]

When a retainer levels up from level 1 to level 2, it is supposed to get a +1 to a characteristic of its mentor's choice, to a maximum of +2. Is there a way to implement this in the stat block? Also I noticed that the stamina on the wode elf arrowswift was calculated incorrectly when leveling up. They start at 21 stamina and gain +9 on a level up, but the stat block is displaying 31 instead of 30. Thank you

[digital timber]

At least in the classic sheet, it will auto-calculate the damage bonuses, based on the 'best' one as determined by HeroLogic.getKitDamageBonuses. That is also what determines what shows under the Equipment/Modifiers section for Melee Damage Bonuses

though it might just be that there's some property that indicates a 'user choice' I should be looking at instead

[south rose]

regarding the field arsenal feature, maybe we could click one of the bonuses on the bottom and all bonuses of that type across all applicable abilities would highlight and apply it? Like click 0/0/4 on Pain for Pain, and it highlights, and 0/0/4 highlights on Protective Attack? Click on 2/2/2 and it changes for both?

since it's something you pick on respite, it would be nice to save the state of which you picked in some way (though I prefer personally keeping both visible, dont want to lose that info, but some way of marking which you chose would be nice)

[delicate sigil]

Hiya, was just wondering if there's any way to select multiple complications on the app? One of my players wants to take 2 and even under the "Customize" section I can't find a way to add a second

[storm forge]

#1284267513084903485 message

[real timber]

Yeah that’s a good way to implement it. Or an option where the kits are to select which bonus from which kit to use

At the moment because it’s not calculating the damages it doesn’t show correctly on the character sheet here

(But if I remove one of the kit bonuses it does then correctly calculate)

[south rose]

ah probably better to just export both bonuses like it shows in app then, no need to pick one and add damage, etc. Otherwise you'd be re-printing your sheet when you swap kits/bonuses

actually I guess you need to reprint your sheet when you swap kits anyway

[real timber]

Yeah, and tbh that’s a them problem 😅

Though it’s pretty easy because they export to PDF so they can use a pdf reader and edit on their iPad

[south rose]

Question: in a custom class, is there an easy way to edit the level features to move a feature from one level to a different level? Like ohhh I actually dont want this ribbon feature at level 2, I want it at level 3

The organization arrows only move inside a level, not between them

nvm I just edited the sourcebook json, all good

[digital timber]

@urban hollow could/should 'Psi Boost' be converted into a Package? Both Talent and Null get it at lvl 7, and currently the way it is defined in the data for each class is different (though as far as I see, the content is the same) - one has it as a multi feature, and one has it as a single feature with each of the 'options' listed as part of the text

[urban hollow]

I'll update the Talent one to be defined like the Null one, I think.

[exotic arch]

I have this character who took Linguist at 4th level. Every time I close and reopen the tab, it forgets what I selected for Linguist. Not sure if bug or user error (as is often the case on my part 😅)

[urban hollow]

OK, probably fixed now.

[idle shoal]

Bumping this

[urban hollow]

I'm looking at that now.

[manic dune]

Is anyone else getting a white screen when they open Forge Steel? I was helping a friend make their character, but we both seem to be running into this problem.

[eager wave]

ya

[urban hollow]

Looks OK to me

[manic dune]

I restarted my PC and it works now. shrug

[urban hollow]

I've moved some bits around - now you can find all your retainer selectable bits where you add your retainer - if you've added a retainer through Manage / Customize, that's where its selections are.

[bleak forge]

Trying to run a session but can't look at my encounters or anything now? Just shows this and an entirely blank screen
Can't go via the monster stat blocks either.

Unsure what's causing this one, but only noticing it just now trying to run.

Seems to happen to almost all of the encounters, and most of the monsters? Some work as normal but most lead to this error.
Attempted to view via monsters screen, using the Run encounter screen I can see some but not all, and can't tell any consistent factor for those that cause the break.
Also cannot tell a consistent fault between the encounters that raise this issue.

[real timber]

For now, I was trying to remove the melee damage bonus from the compendium so it calculates properly but I can’t figure out how to then add this to the character. Do I need to select homebrew on the sheet somewhere?

Also Andy, is there a good place to put in a feature request for the kit choices option? Or is here the best place?

Coming back to Forge Steel after running with the pregens on paper is amazing, so much has changed in such a small time!

[snow geyser]

Heya. Sorry for another problem message. I am getting a blank screen when I go to the site. I've tried to troubleshoot and haven't found a fix yet. Any tips for me to try?

I've refreshed (button at the top, F4 and ctrl-shift-R), restarted the browser (chrome), and restarted my PC. I tried in a different browser and the site works fine, and it also works in chrome's incognito mode.

I would really like to avoid losing my stuff that I have made/entered. Worst case, I'm guessing a cache wipe would fix it, but again my understanding is that would wipe my homebrew library/character data (please correct me if I'm wrong on this).

Failing a fix, anyone have an idea about manually copying the site data for transplanting to a different browser? Or even just a backup of the data so I can troubleshoot more without the worry of deleting my data? Thanks.

[sonic matrix]

You'd have to install an extension that allows you to modify your cookie/local storage data

normally browsers only expose it as read-only

though there's probably a way to find where it's stored on your computer and back it up by copying it from there

on firefox it'd be somewhere in your profile folder %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\

[snow geyser]

Good thought, but no dice. The ones I just tried are saying there are no cookies or local data to edit or backup

[south rose]

mayyyyyybe you could download a chromium-based browser (like brave) and your chrome data might try to sync over? not sure

hell, I wonder if you could just copy the cookies from your dev tools in chrome, open a private tab and paste them in there?

[snow jungle]

Hi, forgive me if this has been posted before, but my Exorcist censor doesn't have Read Person, did I do something wrong? Do I have to manually select it even though the feature says I just get it?

[urban hollow]

Open your console and tell me what it says.

[urban hollow]

FYI it's not using local storage - it uses the browser's Indexed DB.

[urban hollow]

I've pushed a small change that might fix this.

[digital timber]

The skill gets added as a Level 1 choice of Interpersonal skills (with Read Person pre-selected), is it possible you un-selected it and chose a different skill?

Classic Sheet Update - Reorganized Hero Sheet

The Hero classic sheet has been reorganized to more closely align with the MCDM sheet - the biggest change is that the inventory has been split into separate sections for Trinkets, Leveled Items, and Consumables.

As always - if you run into any issues, please report them here or in GitHub so I can get them fixed!

Some things on the road map for the classic sheet in Forge Steel:

• Negotiation sheets
• Montage sheets
• Further Hero sheet improvements (especially ability card arrangement)

[snow geyser]

Okay. So it was working when I left for work just now. I'm sorry. It wasn't working for at least 3 days and I waited because it usually is an easy fix or just fixes itself just as I'm looking for help here.

Any thoughts why it's working now so I can self-help next time? I didn't change or do anything else since my last message other than put my PC to sleep (which I have been doing nightly already and it hadn't changed anything those times)

Again, sorry to make a stink just for it to be working again right after 🙏

[urban hollow]

Tips:

• If something hasn't worked, look at the About button - if it has a red dot, it has error information that you can send to me.
• Otherwise, open the browser console (how you do that varies by browser) and send me anything you see there.

[snow geyser]

Fantastic. I'll check those if there are issues in future

[real timber]

Any chance someone could help me with this?

I have a new compendium source with a kit in it but I can’t get it to appear in the options for kits for the hero

[urban hollow]

You've selected the sourcebook when you create the hero?

[real timber]

Found it cheers!

[wind merlin]

Nice! Thanks a lot!

[snow jungle]

Just to make sure I'm not going crazy, Forge Steel isn't recognizing my Criminal Underworld skill and I've triple checked that I haven't done anything wrong. Is there some kind of hard cap at displaying 10 skills? I think I should have 11 because of my complication (hunted)

For reference this is what it shows on my character sheet

[urban hollow]

What does it show on the normal hero sheet?

[snow jungle]

Yeah it is showing up here

I'll just manually tick off the box, just wanted to make sure I wasnt cheating with my skill list lol

[urban hollow]

Very much a bug for @digital timber then

[digital timber]

huh, I'll take a look - can you send me your hero data?

waaaaait a sec - I might know what the issue is (the issue is I did something really dumb)

[bleak forge]

Problem seems to be fixed, thank you very much.

[sturdy marlin]

Hey all! One of my players is running with the summoner for our game. They created the class and the character and exported them. I imported the class, which seems to correctly appear in my library. When I try to import their character (which they exported several times for me), I get the error: "undefined" is not valid JSON. I took a brief look at the JSON and I don't see any obvious errors (the ids seem to match up with each other).

The console errors are fairly unhelpful though I did see a call to getSummons which I thought might be a clue. If anyone can point me in the righ direct for debugging I can try and track it down further.

[upper cypress]

Can this text be added to the judgement ability before the judgement order benefit? Folks keep forgeting that they can only do it once per turn.

[urban hollow]

Send me the library and the hero please

[urban hollow]

Yes, sensible

[dawn geyser]

In Forge Steel's Library, I see that you can search by Keyword (e.g., Hands, Magic, Neck, Potion, Psionic, etc.). Is it possible to search by "type" (not sure if this is the correct term), like "Consumable Item", "Leveled Armor", "Trinket" (or maybe "Trinket (1st echelon)"), etc.?

[agile mountain]

Hi folks, what's the state of play for 'sharing' character sheets amongst our table (ie. being able to see and interact with one another's sheets) in Forge Steel? We've been sharing the pre-gen sheets for Delian Tomb in this way, and it has transformed my players from '5e independent combat operatives' into a 'DS co-operative combat team' 😍 I don't want to rob them of that ability to plan and strategise between their turns to make their allies shine!

[prisma bolt]

Can I ask, what's the logic behind the way abilities are organised on the classic sheet please? I can't figure it out.

[digital timber]

There's a selectable option for sorting abilities by 'Length' or 'Action Type':

• Length sorts by the size of the ability card when displayed, shortest to longest. This was the original sorting method when the classic sheet first came out, because grouping similarly-sized cards together led to less wasted space. It probably could be removed in the near future since it isn't as usable (and upcoming changes do a better job of reducing wasted space while also preserving usability)
• Ability Type groups abilities by type first (main actions, maneuvers, move actions), then sorts by cost, lowest to highest. Abilities with the same cost are sorted by displayed size.

[sturdy marlin]

My player thinks something changed since he originally built it.

[exotic arch]

Labeling trigger abilities like this as heroics is gonna cause confusion, these effects don't count as heroic abilities for class features that care about that

[sturdy marlin]

Question about playtest classes. I see the Summoner in the source code, but its not on the "official" site? Is that intentional? Can I run this locally so I can use the playtest classes?

[digital timber]

Good point 👍

[urban hollow]

You cannot.

[pliant fjord]

Are items still being worked on? Noticed the Wetwork polearm isn't correct, mentioning sonic damage and unnamed features 😅

[urban hollow]

If you find anything that’s not right, please raise a bug

[pliant fjord]

Rgr, I'll do that from now on 🫡

[dim turtle]

Is there a way to track retainer hit points and recoveries?

[digital timber]

is that any triggered actions that cost heroic resources? Or just things like 'Mark' where you can optionally spend resources for increased benefits?

[exotic arch]

Anything that costs HR baseline is a heroic ability. So Hesitation Is Weakness does count, for example. But anything that is a spend or option within an ability isn't

[digital timber]

makes sense - and just so I get it right, is there a page in the Heroes book that goes into that?

[exotic arch]

Page 70

If an ability has a Heroic Resource cost to activate—as in, you can’t use the ability at all without spending some of your Heroic Resource—then it is a heroic ability.

Some abilities don’t cost your Heroic Resource to use but allow you to spend your Heroic Resource to enhance or add effects to the ability, such as the conduit’s Healing Grace. These abilities are not heroic abilities unless the baseline ability can’t be used without spending your Heroic Resource.

[digital timber]

this particular case of Mark might mostly be a result of how the data is entered

thanks

[exotic arch]

Happy to help!

[exotic arch]

Ah yeah didn't check through other stuff like judgement

[wary yoke]

I just noticed there's a couple of typos in the Host Body complication text

provided the body belongs a playable ancestry

all your statistics except f size

[hazy lantern]

FYI, classic sheet has some display issues with the table under Disciple of the Green (level 2 subclass feature)

[digital timber]

Oof thanks for the heads up

[upper cypress]

Can we have these two entries in the reference section?

[urban hollow]

Yes sure

[rough halo]

Oh, talking about the reference section, would be nice if the easy-medium-hard test result reference is there too.

Or wouldn't that be necessary because the player can already see it when they roll the test? 🤔

Idk tho. Seems like there's no easy way for the director to see the table while running the game.

[subtle mason]

I was thinking about the Delian Tomb's drip-fed powers and how some people would rather make their own characters than use pregens, and I wondered if it's possible to have a Forge Steel 'mode' for making incomplete characters? Like, instead of saying "use Forge Steel but ignore steps X, Y, and Z" if there was a clickable button (or slider?) that turned off the sections you haven't accessed yet.

Does this question even make sense?

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

Done

[upper cypress]

Yooo thanks! Can we add this as well?

[digital timber]

just a heads up everyone, I missed a bug in an update that got merged overnight and you will probably run into this error when trying to view a classic sheet. I've already pushed a fix but it might take a bit for it to go live. Sorry!
It has been fixed

[urban hollow]

Should be fine now.

[urban hollow]

Done

[upper cypress]

Have I ever told you how awesome you are Andy? Pretty awesome.

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-alan-rickman-snap-obviously-obvi-gif-4932552

[spiral elk]

Is there a way to make my totally own playbook for a home brew where items are REMOVED?

for instance, lets say I dont want time raiders in my setting?

i saw where we can add things, wasn't sure if we could remove any

[exotic arch]

I thiiink the ability to export/modify the core sourcebooks was removed recently. You can make copies of the default stuff into a homebrew sourcebook and just only copy in what you want but you'd have to go through the whole list I think

You can turn off the "Orden" sourcebook as well but that might remove things you do want