FORGE STEEL

[dim turtle]

One of my players has found a bug with the politician background. There seems to be a visual difference between the proper character sheet showing the wealth and the sidebar/manual entry bit, so sheet is displaying wealth -1 while the sidebar shows wealth. Does that make any sense?

[latent onyx]

I have a level 5 game so made a custom class with the extra levels (super intuitive to do!), but when i tried to add my characteristic increases it still has them at 2, is there something I could have missed or is that soft locked at the moment?

[surreal patrol]

I haven't had a chance to use forge steel in a while, and I am totally lost when building an encounter, I can't seem to figure out how to add monsters

[exotic arch]

You have to Edit the encounter, then go to the Monsters tab

[surreal patrol]

I found the edit button

[urban hollow]

Yeah, I'm not happy with how features are hidden under the File menu - I need to find a better way to arrange things.

[urban hollow]

No that should work - make sure the players are using the right version of the class (deselect and reselect) if they started their hero with a previous version

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

That shows when you still have selections to make for that section

[dim turtle]

Is there a way to seperate inventory entries from features in the feature section?

[urban hollow]

Not currently; would you find that helpful?

[exotic arch]

Right, I just remembered it looking differently at one point, couldn't tell if I was misremembering!

[dim turtle]

Yeah some of my players have been finding they want their inventory seperate from their features

[fair nimbus]

Looks like the Goblin Monarch has missing text on their "Kill!" Villain action in the Effect area.

[fair nimbus]

Also just realized that when editing a Negotiation in the Negotiation Builder, the "Description" section has a drag function at the bottom right but it doesn't actually do anything. Might be useful to allow that to at least drag down some.

[subtle mason]

Is there a way to sort/organize/group characters saved into FS?

[fair nimbus]

Yeah, on the Details page of the Hero info you can add a name to the Folder line and it'll group them all on their own tab.

[subtle mason]

Thanks, that's perfect!

[real timber]

Hey Andy, little data entry issue here:

Tier 3 result should say “double bane on their next power roll”

This is on the Human Knave btw

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

[urban hollow]

Was 'each target can.' somehow not clear? Fixed now.

[urban hollow]

That's an option you can set now.

[dim turtle]

Ah nice thank you

[little snow]

is there a plan to add the later levels, or will that wait until the full game release?

[urban hollow]

Only levels 1-3 are covered by the license - that may change when the game is released but I’m not assuming so.

[ashen kiln]

I do think both Matt and James mentioned that the whole game would be covered by the (updated for that purpose once they get there) licence once it is out in it's final form,

[urban hollow]

I've released an update to the combat tracker, to improve the turn tracking - there may be some issues with it still, but see what you think!

[exotic arch]

Looking like Tactician's kit damage bonuses aren't correctly adding to Heroic Abilities. For example, Shield Bash here is correctly adding 2 for Might and 2 for the kit bonus, but Heroics are only adding 2 for the Might and not the kit damage.

[real timber]

Isn’t that what the “bonus melee damage” at the bottom is telling you?

[gritty relic]

I ran a game yesterday evening where they gave an offering at a shrine and received an additional recovery as a blessing.

How do you add a recovery in Forge Steel without having to click the respite button and backtrack the HP and victories?

[urban hollow]

Because that ability can be used as Melee or Ranged, it isn't automatically adding the bonus melee damage. Instead, it's helpfully telling you that there's a situational bonus that might be applicable.

[urban hollow]

You can add a 'Stat Bonus' customization that adds a recovery.

[gritty relic]

Sorry, I'm new to your site. How do I do that?

[real timber]

Any way to add just 1 recovery back if you accidentally spend one?

[urban hollow]

Open the hero; click 'Edit' and you'll be in the hero builder; the 'Details' tab has a section on Customization.

[gritty relic]

Thanks so much!

[exotic arch]

Ahh, understood! Thanks!

[dim turtle]

One of my players have noticed that the wording of Judgement still calls the heroic resource "Judgement" instead of "Wrath"

[nimble halo]

That's the case in the current rules too, it's just a little editing error

[urban hollow]

Make sure your players have deselected / reselected Censor - that wording was changed a few weeks ago.

[dim turtle]

At gotcha, I’ll let them know

[clever charm]

Hey, Ive noticed that the "My life for yours" ability on the censor only grants 10 stamina to the ally when activated but shouldn't that still be a recovery value? The pregen censor in the delian tomb still has the recovery value included in the ability description. If I've missed an update somewhere I apologize in advance.

[fair nimbus]

It should be the Censors recovery value that the other character then heals.

[fair nimbus]

Found another very minor typo. Thorn Dragon, one of it's inate abilities is currently written "Withering Wyrmsacle Aura". Pretty sure that should be Wyrmscale, but maybe a Wyrmsacle is a new thing I'm just not aware of.

[exotic arch]

Wyrmsacles are my favorite dessert from Ajax's Bar and Grill

[urban hollow]

Fixed, thank you

Small quality of life improvement - conditions now remind you of their effects where relevant.

[crystal tulip]

Great tool for helping players learn the system, that's a fantastic change

[urban hollow]

I hope so - if anyone has any ideas for similar tweaks, let me know

[mortal sparrow]

I'll bring it up again because I think it'll be useful once the full game comes out; When a change is made to correct an error in text or to an ability, having to deselect and reselect the class can be a bit of a pain. Being able to pull an update to characters would be immensely helpful.

[south rose]

Not a QoL so much as a totally new feature: would be cool if Draw Steel had a Tutorial Mode where each section of Lv 1 of a character sheet was highlighted and succinctly explained as if it were your first time playing

And maybe a script for Directors to follow along with the Tutorial Mode

[urban hollow]

That's on the list.

[latent onyx]

Is there a way to manually adjust the amount of recoveries I currently have without resting/using one? ran into it a lot playing as a Censor today where I was healing others not me so kept having to spend a recovery then take damage to adjust my stamina

[latent onyx]

I did see it was discussed a little above, but I don't mean adding an overall recovery, just being able to manually adjust the number of recoveries, without using the "spend recovery" , or is it still just through customizing is the only way to do that during play?

[real timber]

I too have run into this issue

[upper cypress]

A QoL suggestion, when selecting skills from Career/Culture, it would be cool if we are able to search them using the text box as we can do in Class.

[fair nimbus]

Few things:
First, with a Tactician that has a +2/+2/+2 kit (Dual Wielder), and a +0/+0/+4 kit (Mountain), it's combining the two bonuses to +2/+2/+4. Stamina, Speed, Disengage, and Stability all seem to be correct. I suspect there'll need to be an option to pick which bonus from their Kit they get for their abilities.

Second, this has to do with the export to PDF option. It's putting Items into the Features area instead of the Inventory area on the PDF, even with the toggle set to "Separate inventory features" turned on.

Third, also about export to PDF option. Resource Gain: it tells the triggers that get extra resources, but does not include the default gain at the start of each turn.

The PDF stuff are easy enough manual fixes for now, but it'd be nice for those to be included automatically.

Actually just found that the PDF size is 11.7" x 8.3" which is A4 paper. I suspect most people in the US have Letter size (8.5" x 11") as it's more standard here.

[urban hollow]

That should work now

[urban hollow]

That should work now

[neon smelt]

Is that first point correct? That is not my reading from the packet:

[fair nimbus]

You get one or the other DMG bonus for Melee, not a combo of the two. The example is showing you how to reduce whichever bonus you're not taking from one Kits signature and then apply the other. Forge Steel is showing both combined.
Double Strike, Pain for Pain, and Inspiring Strike all show "Bonus melee damage +2/+2/+4" at the bottom of them.

[neon smelt]

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were saying it should be doing that and wasn't. Not the otherway around. My bad 😅

[fair nimbus]

All good, it's a complex topic.

[south rose]

I wonder if it's more useful to "pick your dmg bonus" character wide, or per ability, or maybe if it just has both options listed in Bonus Melee Damage

the abilities don't add the damage bonuses to the power roll tables anyway, you're expected to do that yourself. Might as well just put both Bonus Melee Damage sets in the thing at the bottom

like this I guess?

[fair nimbus]

RAW you can only change the bonus during a respite.

[thorny pasture]

The 2nd level of Fury seems to be missing an ability selection (5 HR, subclass specific).|
EDIT: Nevermind, it's just not ordered the way I expected. It's at the end.

[thorny pasture]

With regards to the filter, I think it's a little odd that you have to uncheck everything to get at the filter you actually want.
Imo a filter being active should mean "only show this and other checked filters" rather than "may show this", and the filters should all start off disabled. This is kind of the standard in UX as far as I know.

[dim turtle]

Is there a way to revert to the big scroll down list that was before? Rather than the tabs you can cycle through

[urban hollow]

Do you not find the new UX easier?

[real timber]

I like it personally

[green parrot]

Not opened Forge Steel on my phone for a while but it appears to be acting in a desktop manner with seemingly no way to scroll across or resize. I'm sure it used to fit automatically to mobile.

[urban hollow]

Yeah, somethings not right there

I’ll fix it

[dim turtle]

I have a player who doesn’t like it, that’s all. She uses a smaller machine than the rest of the table so I think the old UI suited that better

Though I’m a fan, mind. I’m just the designated feedback person of the group

[exotic bough]

Hi, I didn't read through the whole thread so it might have been discussed, but is there a way to add magic items in this app? And if yes, are the bonuses included in the stats or do you need to do this manually

[urban hollow]

Yes, and yes automatically

[exotic bough]

Cool! I have found how to add items, but when i add executioners blade for example, it does not seem to change the damage on the abilities. Did i miss something?

[urban hollow]

That item has a conditional bonus so it's not automatically added. Instead you'll see it as a feature in the hero sheet.

[urban hollow]

Should be better now.

[green parrot]

Brilliant. Cheers Andy.

[exotic bough]

Ah, I see. Great, thanks!

[floral vessel]

I was also wondering if an option to return to the old UI would be added at some point. It was way easier for me to have everything in a single page and just scroll.

[urban hollow]

In the hero sheet you can go to the options and turn on single page mode.

[floral vessel]

Thank you so much!

[urban hollow]

I live to serve.

[real timber]

https://tenor.com/view/river-to-my-people-lawrence-of-arabia-auda-abu-tayi-yay-cheer-gif-16765272

[latent onyx]

Hey folks, is there a way to assign a captain in the encounter building? I have the minions and a captain in a group just not sure how to tell it thats the captain?

[urban hollow]

No not currently - you can do it when running the encounter though

[latent onyx]

Overall the encounter tool seems great! keen to give it a go

[stark smelt]

My censor player had a conduit ability - sacred bone - in her level 2 section. Probably a bug?

[urban hollow]

That's from the protection domain, right?

[real timber]

Yeah, for the conduit it is

[urban hollow]

Maybe something allows her to select a domain ability - feel free to email me the hero data.

[exotic arch]

Having some trouble with PDF exports. Tried on Firefox and Chrome on two computers and couldn't get a download. Data and image seem to work fine.

Ah, seems to be because of custom content (in this case an ancestry) being included. Tried with a new random hero and it worked fine.

[urban hollow]

Email me the custom stuff and I’ll see what was causing problems

[exotic arch]

Sent

[urban hollow]

It's because one ability doesn't have a distance. I'll fix the PDF output so that won't matter.

[exotic arch]

Thought I tried fixing that! I must not have saved it correctly when editing the ancestry. Sorry for the trouble!

Oh, you know what, I did save it and then neglected to unselect and reselect ancestry in the builder. So close to figuring it out haha

[vagrant imp]

So Forge Steel has that awesome encounter calculator and planner but it forces the minions to be made in batches of 8 but for the new Delian Tomb playtest there's lots of situations where the initiative groups are 1 captain + 4 minions. Trying to subtract from the 8 here deletes all of them. It only goes in batches of 8. Am I missing something here?

[icy forum]

Yeah. 4 minion rules changes aren't licensed yet if I'm not mistaken

[storm forge]

Look under options, you can adjust the default minion squad size

[exotic arch]

This is the way, auto calculates and everything

[vagrant imp]

ooo looking

ok got it. But doesnt the EV change to 3 when using 4?

[real timber]

Yeah, but those are new rules so Andy can’t implement them yet

If you’re using it to run games, you can keep it at 8 for building the encounter to use the EV values (since 8 minions for 6 EV is the same as 4 minions at 3 EV twice)

And then change the minion count before running the encounter, and put 4 in one group and 4 in another

The EV will look wrong now, but it’ll work out the same

[wise bolt]

Can I share my session in forge steel with my players?

[urban hollow]

Yes - but don’t share the link, share the window (ie in Discord or on a second screen or TV)

[mellow tundra]

I'm having issues opening up encounters to edit them. Whenever I click on it, I just get a white screen

the same things happen when I try add the premade encounter examples and homemade monster groups

[urban hollow]

Can you view the encounter, it's just editing that causes the problem? If so, open the encounter, export it as data, and email it to me.

[mellow tundra]

I can’t even see the encounter, no

[urban hollow]

OK; in your browser open the development tools and find the console (in Chrome it's ctrl-i I think, or option-cmd-i) and message me whatever error message is there

[wise bolt]

Ah I see. So right now everything just runs on my browser? No way to link it with my players sheets over the website

[fair nimbus]

Forge Steel is local browser only as far as I can tell. Cache/cookies store the info, and can only be transferred to other systems/browsers by using the Export/Import feature. No live linking between different users/browsers/computers.

[urban hollow]

Correct (currently).

[exotic arch]

Think this might have led to distances not exporting at all in the PDFs, was that the intent?

[urban hollow]

Refresh and try again now

[stable rivet]

I think you can export character data and share that, but yeah, it's all local storage afaik.

[exotic arch]

Works, ty ty

[dim turtle]

Is ther a way to manually gain back recoveries? I have seen that "Spend Recover, gain no stamina" does give you stamina

[urban hollow]

That sounds like a bug, I will check

[dim turtle]

Thanks dude! You're a legend!

[dim turtle]

Also, is it possible to get the Searching for Hidden Creatures section into the Search Maneuver?

[urban hollow]

Should be fixed now

[urban hollow]

That's included now

[dim turtle]

Thank you very much!

[exotic arch]

Welp, I reimported the Core sourcebook by mistake and now I have an unremovable duplicate of everything. I assume if I clear my site data in browser, it'll remove em? It did!

Also, side note, but big props for ignoring "The" in character names for alphabetization. Wish more character apps for any game did that

[urban hollow]

Well done, that’s impressive

[limber dragon]

that lower cap "you" hahah

[quick geode]

Hey there, is there a way to export a page as a PDF that looks like the website? I built a retainer, and when I try to save as PDF it doesn't save the whole page.

[south rose]

are you exporting portrait or landscape?

[limber dragon]

Grab and Kockback can be used against target 1 size larger than the user

[quick geode]

I'm not sure I understand the question, I'm on my laptop to export

[exotic arch]

You can export as image?

[quick geode]

oh I don't have that option. I only have Export as image, pdf or data

[quick geode]

The image is just a RTF image. Doesn't look like the website at all

[fathom badge]

Hello! Had a question that I hope hasn't been asked too many times. I can't seem to search threads, apologies if there is a way I'm not seeing.

Is there any plans to have an account where characters can be shared with the director so players don't need to re-share characters when they make changes? Thanks!

[exotic arch]

Believe account plans are on the list, but that takes a lot of time and infrastructure

[exotic arch]

Curious. When I export as image it's a perfect copy. Not sure what's going on for you, apologies

[quick geode]

no worries! maybe I should try a different browser I'm on safari

[real timber]

Yeah it may have had an update and your cookies are old (or whatever). You can try clearing your cookies and cache (BUT SAVE YOUR DATA FIRST)

[quick geode]

Will do

[quick geode]

You were correct! I just hit refresh on my browser and now it's working

[real timber]

Glad to hear

[wise mesa]

Hello! I'm currently working on creating a character and was wondeing if anyone could help me. My character is a Wode Elf Elementalist. Due to my complication, I get a Dragon Knight ability. I also have a familiar as part of my supernatural perk. How can I add these to my character sheet?

I looked at customize, but it's unclear what I need to do based on my needs

thanks!

[sonic matrix]

cc @urban hollow

[dire crystal]

The final page of the edit screens lets you add custom stuff, it might have what you want

Usually it's used for titles, but it can be used for abilities and "retainers" too

[wise mesa]

I did look at the last page, but can’t figure out where I could specify the dragon knight ability. Or add the familiar stat block

[real timber]

Is that Wyrmplate or Draconian Pride?

[real timber]

Which one specifically?

Yeah I can’t seem to add it to a character either

[exotic arch]

Looks like you can't currently add Ancestry Features from other ancestries the way you can do for class abilities. For the Familiar, I don't see it in Companions or Retainers, so you could add it as a custom/homebrew Monster first in the Library section, then add your new material to the character.

[wise mesa]

I ended up just editing the pdf that I can export, and adding that way

[urban hollow]

Looks like I need to make a couple of adjustments

[urban hollow]

The familiar stat block is now part of the Familiar perk - cos it's not really a proper creature with standard stats.

To add an ancestry feature, go to Customize, and the Ancestry Feature option now allows you to specify an ancestry (it defaults to 'your ancestry').

[wise mesa]

Thank you!!

[exotic arch]

Legend as usual 🙌

[languid grotto]

Is there a way to add immunities to a character? I have an armor imbued with the Damage Immunity I imbuement, and I would like to see the immunities it gives me. I was ready to add them by hand but couldn't find a way

[fathom badge]

Are you on v13 and 0.7? Realized I tabbed onto the wrong thread, woops!

[exotic arch]

You can add it as a note from the Manage menu, a custom condition to have it near your Stamina, or make a custom item that does it and add that

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[urban hollow]

I've added the ability to add immunities and weaknesses from the Customize section of the hero builder.

[languid grotto]

You're the best, I hope you know that. Thanks a lot!

[wise mesa]

One thing I noticed is that when I export my character sheet as a pdf (portrait) the features box allows for scrolling which isn't printer friendly. The landscape version doesn't do that, so i'm happy to use that as a workaround

[dire crystal]

It's just a on-screen rendering thing, when you do the print preview it should all fit properly

[blazing moon]

when i export my character, it doesn't appear to include my free strikes and maneuvers, is there a way to do this? i have standard abilities checked

an abilities page that was just all the standard maneuvers would be super helpful, although there's 10 of them and only 9 fit on a page

[urban hollow]

I’ll check that out

[exotic arch]

I'd have sworn I was getting free strikes on my exports previously

[dire crystal]

Free strikes have a dedicated spot on the sheet

(so they should have been there)

[exotic arch]

Yeah just checked a previous sheet, free strikes were def exporting. Not other maneuvers tho

[blazing moon]

do i need to remake my char to get it to show up maybe? im using one from last week

[urban hollow]

You should absolutely not have to do that

[exotic arch]

Yeah nah I just exported a new PDF and didn't get em there either. Somethin's up

[urban hollow]

Yeah, I must have broken something

[urban hollow]

I've added the free strikes back into the exported PDF; if you refresh the app now they should appear.

[blazing moon]

ty

success

[urban hollow]

I live to serve

[blazing moon]

i don't know if you take suggestions/feature requests, but i think a standard maneuvers and actions page could be helpful for new players

i just slapped this together snipping stuff from forge steel and its gonna help for tomorrows game i think

[urban hollow]

I certainly do - love suggestions, feedback, all that. This, I’m pretty sure I can sort out.

[exotic arch]

Man I'm too baked into DS at this point to have thought of that but yeah definitely great for new players to be able to have it all in one place

[languid grotto]

My players got the Local Hero title and chose the Local Fame feature, but it doesn't seem to add Renown to their sheet

One of my player is a College of Ash shadow, and it seems the Burning Ash feature doesn't appear on their sheet

[urban hollow]

It appears at level 2 for me.

[languid grotto]

I'll have to try leveling up again, but we tested on his computer and mine yesterday and it didn't show up on either. It is supposed to be in the features tab, isn't it?

[urban hollow]

Yep - make sure you're running the latest version of the app (9.83 I think). Deselect and reselect Shadow if necessary.

[languid grotto]

I think this is what we are going to do, On a new character I can see the feature no problem. I'll keep you posted

[urban hollow]

OK, I think I've got that working now - if you open a hero you can now select either 'Hero Sheet' or 'Standard Abilities' on the Export menu. It'll export to PDF or image. Let me know what you think.

[blazing moon]

Awesome, I'll check it out when I get to my work PC!

[odd venture]

Shh lars what if your boss is in this discord and sees that you're playing draw steel with your work pc

[blazing moon]

easier to edit my character when i play it at the office 😉

[blazing moon]

should the option be here?

[urban hollow]

Yep - refresh the app

[blazing moon]

nice! at some point if you can make them print on one page it will be

might be how i exported it, but its splitting to two pages like so when it looks like theres room for it in the format

[urban hollow]

Since it’s just creating an image of what’s on your screen, if you resize your window to more of a 4x3 size it’ll fit better

[blazing moon]

ah alright, will do!

[urban hollow]

… and if you want to print it, switch off dark mode, unless you have an endless supply of toner

[blazing moon]

yeah this is on s separate browser, wont be printing this one

was just to check out the changes

[south rose]

trying to export (pdf portrait) just to test something, but getting an error. Is this just because I didn't fill in most of my character, or is this unintended?

it totally silently didn't work btw, someone who doesn't know to check the console wouldn't have realized an error was even happening

other than, you know, the file explorer or whatever not popping up

[exotic arch]

Make Peace With Your God! is exporting as a Maneuver instead of Free maneuver, seems this caused some confusion on a recent stream. #ds_patrons message

It looks right in the app so just something with export?

Tested with some other custom abilities set to Free Action or Free Maneuver, same thing

[urban hollow]

Should all be fixed now.

[pliant fjord]

I'm also getting this, with a fully filled in character. Null worked fine it's just a green elementalist now.
Tried in both FF and Edge, I've attached the data export

[mellow tundra]

This may be a bit nitpicky, but would it be possible to collapse the list of each when running an encounter and instead just have it listed once, just so its easier to navigate the page?

[urban hollow]

The list of each what?

[mellow tundra]

Hahaha wow, I missed the most important part of that sentence. The list of each individual minion. So instead of listing out war dog commando 1, war dog commando 2, etc, it would just have war dogs (x8), and then list their pooled stamina.

It would just reduce scrolling when running an encounter. Not a huge issue if not possible though

[urban hollow]

Fixed - the Familiar had a character that the PDF couldn't support.

[urban hollow]

I'll have a think about this, yeah

[exotic arch]

Do you mean making a homebrew culture with flavor text, or just setting your own — ope it's gone

[cobalt mica]

Forget my message

I'm blind

[exotic arch]

Lol no worries

[cobalt mica]

😂

[blazing prism]

Hello all. I've recently used Forge Steel to prep and run a session in person as Director. Overall I'm very happy with the experience, so I'll start by thanking you, Andy, for the great tool you've developed so far. 👍

There are a couple of things I didn't find as intuitive, so in the hope of getting an even better tool, I'm providing some feedback below. (I'm using Firefox in dark mode.)

1. Maybe it's possible but I've not seen how: group Encounters/Montages/etc to make them part of an Adventure or a Session (multiple Sessions in an Adventure). And then being able to export it all as one bigger package. I prepped the session on my PC, but ran it from my laptop. I exported/imported all the parts individually; it would have been easier to be able to export the session in one go.

2. When constructing an Encounter: when adding Monsters:
   a. I basically always wanted the "Filter" part to be open so I could search. I understand why you might not want to have it opened initially, because it takes up quite a bit of space. Maybe it could be an idea to have a simple text box "search" be always visible and an "advanced filter" to be optional. (Similar "search" to adding a monster in the "Session" screen maybe?)
   b. I found the list of monsters to be a bit bulky, taking up quite a bit of screen space. I think the information could be presented in a more table like structure, improving the UX.
   c. Similar for the monsters already part of the encounter. Preferably I'd have all my initiative groups on one screen. (and I tend to zoom out to 80%)

3. When running an Encounter, I actually didn't do that from the "Session" screen, but from the "Encounter" (prep) screen. The main reasons for this:
   a. I'm most interested in the stat blocks of the monsters. Seeing them on one page for all the monsters in the encounter was very nice. In the "Session" screen I just now found where I can find the monster stat block, but it takes quite a few clicks to get there, to find an ability to "Roll".
   b. The "Acting now" / "Ready to Act" the subtables have a white background, while the rest of the tool is dark. The contrast is less than ideal (maybe a 'bug' in the configuration of the subtable only having a color for light mode?)
   So I used the Encounter screen scrolled to the statblocks of the monsters (1 click to get to an ability to Roll) and I tracked the health of monsters on a piece of paper.

4. Just noticed: under "Tactical Maps" (which I haven't used yet), when trying to upload a file, I noticed the file dialog didn't recognize .jpg files. There seems to be an issue where it lists ".gif.jpg" as one entry.

[fair nimbus]

Highly agree with your 3 and a. under it. It burned a lot of time flipping back and forth between pages to track info for the monsters and have easy access to the abilities.

[urban hollow]

Yeah, I have an idea for that. I'll see if I can get something working to show you.

[urban hollow]

I've made some changes to the encounter builder / runner pages, let me know what you think.

[pliant fjord]

Ah legend, thanks mate!

[snow geyser]

I think I found an interesting bug. When editing a homebrew ancestry and I delete an ancestry trait, all the other ancestry traits below it on the list are also deleted. As a workaround, I put the trait at the end and then it only deletes the one.

[exotic arch]

Ooh yep saw that myself a bit ago

[urban hollow]

Fixed, thank you

[snow geyser]

Yep, working for me now. Thanks!

[languid grotto]

It seems that the Disciple of Fire feature of the level 2 Fire Elementalist doesn't had the fire immunity to the character

Your connection to fire allows you to protect yourself from it, even as you rip away the protections of others. You have fire immunity equal to 5 plus your level in this class. Any fire damage you deal ignores a target’s fire immunity.

[exotic arch]

Looks like it's set as a text feature and not an immunity

[languid grotto]

The Green Elementalist triggered action The Breath Of Dawn Remembers says its trigger is "The target starts their turn", but it's "The target starts their turn or takes damage" in the book:

[languid grotto]

The second part is also missing :

[urban hollow]

All fixed now, thanks

[languid grotto]

Thank you!

[thorny pasture]

Do we expect levels 4-9 to be fair use for Forge Steel after the release?

[south rose]

IMO there's every reason to expect the rest of the game will be covered in the next license whenever that comes. They want the game to be open. But the future is, ultimately, unknowable

[exotic arch]

The Devs have implied/stated intention that the license will open up, but it might not be immediately after release, and then data entry gonna take a while

[plain siren]

i just made a censor (basically the default one minus a few changes) and most everything int he sheet on the hero tab is blank

only stuff i mouse over actually says something

[ashen kiln]

Hey, did anyone make the Delian Tomb pregens in Forge Steel Who could share the files to make prep easy for a few people who have never played DS yet?

[exotic arch]

You can add them yourself when you add a new hero!

[ashen kiln]

Really? They are in there as a pre made option? I'll have to check that out and share it with the group!

[urban hollow]

Oh that's annoying. Fixed now.

[wise bolt]

Is there a way to go about adding followers to forge steel? Trying to see if we can get an artisan Ashleigh follower on a Hero

I see there are companions and retainers in the "other" section of the hero editior. But I'm not sure how to make a custom follower, or if I'm barking up the right tree there.

Oh and projects! Can those be tracked in Forge Steel?

[urban hollow]

You can add companions / mounts / retainers by editing a hero and going to the 'Customize' section.

If you want to create a custom follower, you'd do that in the Library, as a monster

To track projects, open your hero and click on the Manage button - there's a Projects tab.

[wise bolt]

Awesome, thanks

Would followers be companions or retainers? Or does it not matter

[urban hollow]

Probably just a companion

Retainers and mounts will probably be handled differently in encounters

A companion can be any monster, whereas a mount and a retainer are each a specific subset

[wise bolt]

Makes sense 🫡

[mellow tundra]

I may be missing something, but looking at the Orc's "nonstop" ability, it doesn't say anywhere on there that you can't be slowed

at least not in the ability selection screen

[urban hollow]

It'll probably say it once you've selected it

[mellow tundra]

yup, I figured I was missing something

[spiral void]

Just wanted to drop by and say how incredibly awesome your tool is! Especially for me as the director I loved how easy it made prepping an encounter for my party ❤️

A quick question though: I wanted to build my next encounter and noticed that the names in the overview had "disappeared". The font most likely turned black for me, because if I ctrl+a the site I can see them again highlighted... Did I unintentionally do something to cause this? 😅

[urban hollow]

Oh man, dark mode causes so many problems... refresh it now and it should be fine.

[spiral void]

You sir are a legend! Works fine now

[wise bolt]

Was there a way to group heroes into parties? I feel like a saw that option somewhere, but I was hunting for it last night and couldn’t find it.

There’s like 10 heroes in there now, so when check their collected languages and skills (great feature btw), i have to scroll over and then lose the first column with the labels.

[urban hollow]

Yeah - put them in a folder. You can add a hero to a folder in the hero editor.

[exotic arch]

In the Details tab ✨

[thorny pasture]

The notes section seems to be limited in height

[urban hollow]

Maybe fixed now?

[thorny pasture]

This seems bugged

[thorny pasture]

Yes!

[mellow juniper]

Is the new white background for this stuff intentional or a bug? I was partial to the more OLED friendly visuals before.

[urban hollow]

Intentional but might be changing

[thorny pasture]

Is there a retainer tracking system that I missed somewhere?

[exotic arch]

Yeah in the Customize section in Details, you can add a retainer

Then it's just on the sheet

[distant imp]

Have the changes from the latest Patreon rules gone into FS?

[urban hollow]

No, it’s not covered by the license.

[wise bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[wooden valley]

Soon (TM)

[thorny pasture]

For some reason this isn't adding kit bonus to damage

[urban hollow]

Which kit do you have?

[urban hollow]

And what's the bonus melee damage coming from?

[languid grotto]

Isn't it because the ability is both melee and ranged ?

[urban hollow]

Yeah, that could be the issue, but I want to double-check it's not a problem with the kit.

[urban hollow]

I'm not seeing any issue here - @thorny pasture, will need you to clarify

[thorny pasture]

The damage is supposed to be higher by 2 on all tiers.

[urban hollow]

You’ll have to export and send me your hero

[exotic arch]

What kit do you have? FS doesn't automatically apply kit damage to abilities with mixed Ranges (because they're mixed)

[thorny pasture]

A melee kit. Perhaps that is the issue, then.

[snow geyser]

Likely. I'm assuming Retiarius, the polearm one based on the melee distance and damage bonus. The damage bonus would only apply when using the melee distance, so I believe that's why it stays separated

[thorny pasture]

Actually I'm using Panther.

Here's the data. I have an imbued weapon which applies +1 damage.

[thorny pasture]

On a different topic, will it ever be possible to somehow enter entire homebrew classes?

[south rose]

it's possible right now!

well, depending how complicated your class is

[exotic arch]

Ja you can copy a class and start from there or just make your own from scratch

[thorny pasture]

Oh awesome.

Is it possible to export that class into data and share it?

[urban hollow]

Yes of course.

[urban hollow]

This is what I get with your hero, which seems fine - hit refresh to make sure you're using the current version.

[thorny pasture]

It isn't fine though, I'm pretty sure. The +4 isn't being added to the T3 result.

Unless that is by design due to the different ranges.

[languid grotto]

As Tintenseher was saying here #1284267513084903485 message, as the Ability has different ranges the bonuses are not applied. If they were and you decided to use the ability at range, you would have to find the melee damage bonus and subtract it from the ability damage, which would be more cumbersome than adding the right bonus depending on the situation

[urban hollow]

Precisely.

[mellow juniper]

Could something like this be a reasonable solution?

[exotic arch]

Ooh, I'd love that personally

[thorny pasture]

Seems great to me.

[languid grotto]

When I use Google Sheets (for high level characters), I simply copy paste the ability twice, and add "(melee)" to one and "(ranged)" to the other, applying the right bonuses to each. To me it would be less confusing to have two cards, rather than one card with a small button to switch from one to the other

[odd venture]

Is there any way to add options for environment/organization/upbringing within cultures? Like adding homebrew organizations, for example, that the bespoke culture character option could draw from. Adding homebrew cultures still restricts you to the existing lists.

[unkempt yew]

I'm having trouble finding a way to add an item to a character. I can see the list of items in the "Library" section, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to add one of the items to a character.

[south rose]

save it to a sourcebook, then on the hero you can add the sourcebook

I think

[thorny pasture]

This might be a very niche request, but would be awesome to be able to edit the actual ability effect/power roll results.

[south rose]

Do you mean like in-line edit without updating the class? Just on a single hero or something? Cuz you can already copy a class and edit the power rolls of stuff, then give that class to a hero

[thorny pasture]

Yes, exactly that.

[urban hollow]

FYI I’ve made some changes to improve the hero editing experience on small screens. Should be much improved now.

[urban hollow]

I will see what I can do!

[thorny pasture]

Awesome!

[exotic arch]

Based on the consensus of [this rules question](#ds_rules-questions message), kits that give increased distance should affect the "within" part of area abilities like Thunder Roar if they have the Melee/Ranged and Weapon keywords. Chance this gets changed by final release but it looks the same in more recent material

[scarlet steppe]

Hello, I'm loving Forge Steel! Very impressed by it, and it's been an invaluable tool in getting my friends into the game.

In the interest in improving it a bit, I've included a couple more examples of kit damage seemingly not being added correctly. Below are the free strikes for a couple of tacticians. Curiously, the Cloak and Dagger bonuses are being added correctly - but only for melee.

I believe the correct damage for the melee free strike should be 8/11/13, and the ranged damage should be 7/9/11.

Here are the hero datas. Please let me know if you need any more info, or if I got rules/math wrong.

[urban hollow]

So, kits are a little complicated - they don't stack, instead you get the best for each stat. So if you have two kits that both grant melee damage bonuses, you don't get both, you get the best one.

So if for example you have +2/+2/+2 and +0/+0/+4, you have to decide which kit you're using when you use the ability. Forge Steel won't automatically apply the bonus because it doesn't know which one you're using.

In the first case, it's confusing because both your kits give the same melee bonuses, but Forge Steel isn't yet clever enough to realise that.

In the second case, one of those kits is strictly better than the other, but again, Forge Steel doesn't have the logic to work that out yet.

But it's on my list!

[urban hollow]

Is there a problem with how FS calculates this?

[exotic arch]

I just tested it on a new Fury and it wasn't applying

[urban hollow]

OK, refresh now, and try again.

[exotic arch]

Lookin good! Luckily there are no other abilities this applies to below level 5 lol

[urban hollow]

It's should automatically work now, the problem wasn't with the ability.

[exotic arch]

Sure sure, I just meant only one thing necessary to test 😅 But great, love future-proofing too

[wise bolt]

Hmm, might be useful for tacticians to have a menu where they can select which kit bonus is active.

It might have a secondary use in addressing abilities than can be used with either ranged or melee bonuses.

Although I have no idea how much of a PitA that would be to implement

[urban hollow]

You can already switch between Melee / Ranged for those abilities.

[urban hollow]

Might be handy to extend that to show different kits, yeah.

[urban hollow]

I've added reminders for your hero's triggers to the hero sheet sidebar, I hope that's a handy addition.

[languid grotto]

That's super cool and I predict it will be super useful!

[dusky basin]

Thank you Andy for making this tool!

Is the intent to update per the latest playtest packet? I noticed that the troubadour subclasses are different from the playtest

[mortal sparrow]

There isn't a new license yet, so only the most recent backer packet is included iirc

[exotic arch]

The license is limited to the last backer packet which is only levels 1–3. It's expected (I think an intent was stated but nothing was 100% confirmed so don't quote me) that the license will expand to the full game when it's out next month (ish). Then there will need to be a lot of data entry for FS (which I and some other folks have volunteered to help with), so it won't be immediate, but it'll get there

[dusky basin]

Cool thanks yall!

If the license goes to the full game, doesn’t that mean someone who didn’t buy the heroes book would be able to make a character?

Sorry I’m very ignorant on all this

[exotic arch]

Yeah? I mean they can do that right now

[dusky basin]

But right now it’s not the finished product. Will the final published material be part of the license?

How does MCDM make money if anyone can make a character without buying their material?

[exotic arch]

Will the final published material be part of the license?

This is a question no one can answer right now because it hasn't been decided/stated yet, but that's the understanding I have, yes.

How does MCDM make money if anyone can make a character without buying their material?

Making a character isn't the whole game? I don't understand the question. I mean, even then, like, the rest of the rules are also valid for reuse under the license, hence things like Steel Compendium. You can read the whole game without buying it, but the map is not the territory.

For another example, look at Paizo. 100% of Paizo's rules and mechanics for Pathfinder 2e (though not their adventure modules) are free on Archives of Nethys, and there are many great web and digital resources for the game. Paizo still makes money because people like having PDFs and physical books, they like having the rules laid out as the designers intended with proper art attached, and they like supporting a company that makes stuff they like.

MCDM's license (currently) goes even a step farther than that in that they allow their product identity (all the names of their setting-specific stuff) to be used under the Creator License, which Paizo doesn't. But the game is already funded, that's what the Backerkit campaign (and partially Patreon) are for.

In fact, I mean, most big TTRPGs out there have ways of making a character without buying the game. You could start playing D&D 3.5 and 5e without buying the books as well. It's a good way to hook people in and build a community

[dusky basin]

Well I’m not complaining, the license is very generous for sure.

I’m a patron so I’ve been supporting MCDM for some time. But I’ve been in groups in college where people just shared pdf they downloaded for books. Having a character builder with for all the classes and ancestries lowers the barrier for that sort of activity.

I think dndbeyond only allows a very small % of classes for free in their builder. But WotC has always been predatory with that stuff.

Glad to hear that they are the exception and other ttrpg devs have a more open license. Just hope it doesn’t affect their bottom line!

[wise bolt]

In theory, yeah. Forge Steel should be all you need for that.

[urban hollow]

People seemed to like the previous update for triggers, so to expand on that, Forge Steel now shows your heroic resource gain conditions in the sidebar too.

[opal relic]

Did the “start encounter” button (transfers victories into heroic resources) get moved? None of us could find it at the table today.

[urban hollow]

It's not visible currently, but it's coming back!

[fringe nebula]

Not sure if this has already been reported, but I believe my group found a bug: my Censor was able to add a 2nd level 5-Wrath ability - "It Is Justice You Fear" - to his level 1 character

[dusky swift]

On the topic of reporting bugs:
From the user perspective, it might be helpful if the link to report bugs page was in a more identifiable location than the about menu.

[fringe nebula]

Ah, indeed, I did not know about that; I'll report it there

[idle shoal]

Hey, idk of this has been reported before, but I noticed the Warrior Priest's signature action Weakening Brand shows untyped damage when it should be holy damage

[urban hollow]

Both fixed now, thank you!

[dim turtle]

Is there a way to save your stuff to an account? I’ve had a few times my characters not saved on the site. Is this just a limitation with the app?

[urban hollow]

I've never heard of heroes not being saved, but they are saved to that browser on that machine - if you use a different machine, or a different browser, your stuff won't be there.

[wise bolt]

Best thing to do is export as data and throw it in online storage of your choice. I have all my players uploading to a google drive folder regularly.

(BTW, is there anyway to import a folder of heroes?)

[jaunty cave]

Hi! New to DS, and FS seems like it will be invaluable for me to poke around the system and as a resource for my players as well. Fiddling around with the pre-gen goblin encounter, I noticed that there are "terrain" features and was wondering if there is a way to add terrain to the map as a "mini". I really like how with the mini's you can click on them and their stat block pops up. If not, I assume overlay's can be used for this purpose.

[urban hollow]

This is something I’d like to do, but it’s very tricky because of how varied terrain sizes can be.

[polar sonnet]

Hey! Currently having some troubles with homebrew kits applying bonuses inconsistently. The damage bonuses are being applied to abilities with the melee and ranged keywords even if the ability doesn't have the weapon keyword. I'm also noticing that the Martial Artist kit isn't applying its own bonus to itself the same way that Mountain is on my end.

I also just had an issue where when I was trying to select a skill for a feature it would get stuck on the first five or six skills and no amount of scrolling even with the bar moving would get it to let me select anything else. (Typing didn't work either.)

Edit: After swapping the Martial Artist and Mountain kit back and forth several times and reloading a lot eventually it went to normal. Absolutely not a clue what was happening there

Here's Witty Banter applying my melee damage kit bonus (no weapon keyword)

And here's me not being able to select skills properly

[urban hollow]

Can you send me your hero file and tell me where this happens? I'm not able to reproduce this bug; skills always appear for me (if they're in the list in the first place!)

Are you using an unusual browser?

[mellow tundra]

Hello. I am trying to import some custom monsters. I create a homebrew version of elementals, import the monsters I want, and save changes. When I save changes, it just takes me to a blank screen.

If I reload forge steel, and try the for directors option, I'm also taken to a blank white screen. But if I choose the heroes option, I can go to monsters and see my homebrew elemental monsters group.

Any idea whats going on with these blank screens?

I should say I'm using edge

[urban hollow]

Can you open your developer console (f12 maybe?) and copy and paste what's there?

[polar sonnet]

Will do when I have access to my computer again, but it’s not happening just on heroes. The place I’m noticing it happening is when I’m adding to a homebrew sourcebook that already has some new skills in it.

I’m using Firefox. Also weirdly when I was first adding things to that sourcebook for two days it worked perfectly normally. It only started acting up later on

[urban hollow]

Possibly something odd with the sourcebook data - send that to me as well

[polar sonnet]

Oh I misspoke earlier it’s not happening on heroes at all, it’s only happening when when creating homebrew (e.g., giving something a skill or choose a skill feature) but will do. I have a suspicion I’ll test when I can as well

[urban hollow]

Yes that was my guess too

[south rose]

BUG: the whirlwind kit is counting its melee range bonus twice
Oh shit, nvm it's 3 in the packet? Is that RAI??
sheeeeeesh

[pliant fjord]

Just a long whip 😉 Still definitely my favourite kit for flavour alone

[limber dragon]

Any way to edit an existing hero to add 'custom' levels (from 4 on) without having to restart the class choices?

[exotic arch]

If by class choices, you mean literally just the choices in the class section, no, you'll have to copy the class as homebrew and add the higher level features in the editor, then select that class on the hero and level up

Shouldn't be more than like 5 or 6 things though, no?

[limber dragon]

Yeah, it's just that we're playing a west marches game so I'll need to do it for all my players hahaha

[languid grotto]

Looking at the HR triggers on the first tab of the sheet, it seems it's wrong for the elementalist: it says 1d3 instead of 2 at the start of the turn

[exotic arch]

This tripped me up in a playtest yesterday 😂

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

[languid grotto]

Another one for you: I have my retainer at level 2, and it did get the +1 stat, but not the +10 stamina. Also, the bonus to signature ability is displayed but not taken into account in the signature ability, but I guess this might be difficult

[urban hollow]

The bonus to signature damage is displayed precisely because it's not factored in, yeah (yet). I'll check out the missing stamina.

[languid grotto]

That's what I was thinking, thanks for the answer

[thorny pasture]

I feel like this layout could probably be organized in such a way that it's easier to find the trait you are looking for.
As is, I find myself just glossing over all of the titles until I find the one I want. Perhaps if each category head a different color, or structure, or was placed in a different location, and each trait had some kind of icon, it would be easier to find what you are looking for.

[blazing prism]

Hey Andy. Since you incorporated many of the things I requested the last time I provided feedback, I felt encouraged to note some more things that I experienced when preparing for and running a session (in real life) last weekend. I use Firefox on Windows 11 (prep on PC on 1440p with 100% zoom, run on a laptop on 1080p on 80% zoom).

If my feedback reads as very direct, I shall bring up the excuse that I am Dutch and this is therefore in my nature 😉
Please note that I think Forge Steel has great potential!

1. Since I prep on my PC and run on my laptop, it would be really convenient if would be possible to group Encounters/Montages/Negotiations under an adventure, and then be able to export/import the adventure in one go. The first part of the functionality would also be really useful when running multiple campaigns in parallel. Then the Encounters/Montages/Negotiations don't clutter up (without having to prefix all of them).

2. In the Encounter Builder on the monsters table, I think the elements on the left hand side with the groups and monsters are a bit oversized and as a result I have to scroll back and forth quite a bit. Suggestions to make it a bit more compact: I think "Level X Organization Role" could be on the same line as the tags. The EV number could go next to the 'details i'. Buttons "Move To" "Copy To" could be icons and be next to each other.

3. When running the encounter, instead of using the "Session" page, I (still) used the Encounter page. Together with pencil and paper to note monster stamina. It is so incredibly valuable to have all the stat blocks open at the same time next to each other. On the Session screen ~67% of the horizontal space is blank and it takes 2 clicks to get to a stat block. Yes, when a monster is active, the stat-block shows on the right hand size, but this does not help when the monsters are being targeted by an AoE that applies a condition, needing to compare the monster attribute to the potency. And when there are multiple different monsters in a group, it takes a lot of scrolling to find the right stat-block. Suggestions for layout (I've taken the liberty to make a mockup in the attached screenshot):
   a. next to the health of a monster (or minion group), before the conditions, in something of a table with columns, show a mini version of the statblock with Speed/Size/Stamina/Stab/Free Strike and MARIP. This way, when multiple monsters are targeted by like a "P < 2 slowed", I can quickly see that, instead of having to open separate statblocks.
   b. have separate buttons to go to "Encounter" side-bar (when clicking the health / name of the monster, for example) and to go to the "Stat Block" side-bar (when clicking the mini-statblock from item a above).
   c. next to the new mini-statblocks, have some buttons like "Signature", "Maneuver", "Trigger" that jump directly to the ability side-bar (with the button to roll the damage).
   d. The buttons "Ready To Act" / "Acting Now" / "Finished" would be used frequently and don't need to be under the "..."-menu. When a group is "ready to act", have just one button to move it to "active". Then when "active", one button to "finish". Then when moving to the next round move all "finished" Groups to "ready to act" (could be a separate button "next round").

4. (Minor) I searched for "monarch" looking to find the goblin monarch and the result set was empty. Took me a while to figure out that the "Filter on EV" was switched on (by default? at least I don't remember having switched it on). Maybe it could be off by default.

[urban hollow]

1: This is how it already works 2: Maybe, yeah 3: This also has to work on smaller screens

[blazing prism]

Thanks for your reply.

Item 1: Then I guess I don't know how to do it. I've created a second Adventure. In the Encounters tab I still see my 13 encounters of my first adventure. How do I place an encounter IN an adventure?

Item 3: One solution: with CSS you can conditionally decide whether there is enough room for the mini-statblocks.

It's
Intially you have .cass-of-mini-statblock to have display of "none" and then

@media (min-width: 1024px) {
.class-of-mini-statblock {
display: grid; /* or whatever */
}
}

[urban hollow]

I think I have some potential solutions in mind, but thanks! Always happy to get feedback.

[blazing prism]

Anytime. It's in all of our best interests to have the best possible tools available 🙂

So with regard to item 1: is it currently possible to group Encounters etc in an adventure?

[urban hollow]

Yes - create your encounter, then add it to a plot point's content; it should disappear from the encounters list and be available to view / edit / run from the adventure. Same with montages / negotiations.

[urban hollow]

Newest update allows you to add artisan / sage followers to your heroes.

[blazing prism]

Ok so I've made a Test Adventure with a Test Plot Point. I've made a new Test Encounter. How do I link it to the Plot Point? I don't see any option for that in the Plot Point or Encounter.

[urban hollow]

Open the adventure; edit the adventure; select the plot point; switch to the Content tab; press the add button; select the encounter

[blazing prism]

Gotcha. Didn't notice the Content tab. FYI the 'add' button looks like this for me (Firefox, dark mode):

[urban hollow]

Dark mode always causes problems. Should be OK now.

[wise bolt]

Small UI note. Might be good to change the text color for Ancestry/Career/Class/Complication.

Surprisingly useful little chart! Just needs a tweak

[urban hollow]

Dark mode always causes problems. Should be OK now.

[analog ginkgo]

Are there any plans down the road to do accounts/cloud backups within Forge Steel?
(also #prayforandy as I'm sure the tidal wave of content updates is beginning for them shortly)

[urban hollow]

I'd like to be able to add accounts, and it's on the list, but the advantage of the current system is that I don't have to pay for a server with a database.

[south rose]

this is a ridiculously high-effort request, but I feel like I've gotta mention it: I'd love if we could crowdsource some token options for each monster

[blazing prism]

For some hobby projects I've used Google Firebase, for authentication and the Firestore database. It's free for a significant amount of data and then pay-as-you-use. You could offer the cloud storage behind a paywall, then it 'pays for itself'.

[urban hollow]

I have not found firebase to be reliable. And Forge Steel will never, ever be paywalled! 🙂

[obtuse marsh]

I've been lightly poking at the Google Drive API recently; it could be a viable solution to provide as an opt-in feature to Forge Steel for saving there instead of browser data. Its not "full" account ecosystem, though it would cover the multiple device use cases

[exotic arch]

PF2e's Pathbuilder by redrazors does this

[urban hollow]

You’re welcome to give it a go!

[obtuse marsh]

I'd love to, though I can't presently commit to any specific timeline.

[south rose]

I wish instead of Persistence and Strained here, we could pick our own Effect name. My class doesn't do strain, but it had something similar with a different name :/

[languid grotto]

Hello! The text for the title Marshal: Silver Shield is wrong. Also, it doesn't add My Life For Yours in my triggered action (I can do it manually but it would be nice if it was added automatically)

[mellow juniper]

Do leveled weapons in your inventory apply their effects to character abilities?

[urban hollow]

You should be able to do that now.

[urban hollow]

The text matches the text in the backer packet - but I'm sure they won't mind me fixing it. It doesn't add the triggered action because you might already have it.

[urban hollow]

Yes they should do.

[south rose]

Epic, thank you!

[mellow juniper]

I might be missing something or I might not understand how to "equip" the weapon then maybe. I randomly generated a Troubadour with the Mountain kit and added an Icemaker Maul to their inventory. At level 1 I would expect my abilities with the melee tag to deal an additional point of damage as cold damage. Is there something I need to do to make that apply?

[urban hollow]

If it's shown in the Features tab, it's not auto-calculated - the set of things that aren't auto-calculated is constantly shrinking

[ivory vigil]

I've been messing around with recreating the summoner playtest for a game and I can't seem to figure out the best implementation for 'signature minions'
Essentially - what's the best way to add a choice between different a custom set retainers/ companions in the game? I think 'tagged feature' type is the where the answer is but I ain't sure

[urban hollow]

Maybe I need to improve the Companion feature type

[ivory vigil]

So I've added the summons as monsters with custom tags - the idea was to use this feature to perhaps give a curated list of options (since the base just gives you a choice of all monsters, mounts and retainers)
That don't work :/ the tag field isn't taking any values from what I tried and even if I try to make it 2 choices, it only lets me pick one

Am I missing smth?

[south rose]

could you just make them items and add them to your inventory?

[ivory vigil]

hmmm - I couldn't make sense of this tbh
I landed on making it a choice that each grants a companion for now

once you make a choice- you still have to copy paste the name into the search bar and pick it but that's the best I got and it will do for now lol

Now I just gotta repeat this for 3 more portfolios ;-;

[thorny pasture]

This is a niche request but would be cool to input stamina manually for folks using houserules for Stamina growth.

[finite hill]

im curious andy , how long will it take you to change things over to the release version and then implement the rest of the game ?

[urban hollow]

Niche requests can often be accommodated using the Customize tab - in this case you can add a Stamina modifier

[urban hollow]

It’ll likely happen incrementally. Hopefully people will volunteer their time.

[exotic arch]

Volunteer list reporting in 💪

[finite hill]

i mean id offer but a chimp would be more useful

what language is it cause i know couple guys who code ?

[south rose]

the data entry is in-app, but ultimately it makes a JSON file

you don't need to code, you just use forge steel to edit stuff

[storm forge]

I am up to volunteer some data entry time

[urban hollow]

It will indeed require coding - specifically TypeScript

[exotic arch]

Oh womp lol

[worthy halo]

I searched for some how to videos on Youtube. I'd be keenly interested to see how the Director related functions are intended to be used etc.

Just like a sample for this is for this, and that is for that kinda thing.

But I am in LOVE with this tool. It is amazing. Works even pretty well from my phone, though I have to deal with my fat fingers and unwanted keyboard overlay coming up all the time.

Honestly, it makes making the characters so much easier than reading through the options from the available PDF Heroes manual.

I'm planning to run my first DS game this Saturday via Roll20, which took plenty of figuring on how to make that work, and Forge Steel as the key character tool will be key to my plan.

[thorny pasture]

Hmm. I would have thought it's mostly filling in JSON objects?

[urban hollow]

I mean, I don't want to pull rank, but... 😉

[thorny pasture]

So it's not just filling in objects while adhering to certain type definitions?

[urban hollow]

It is pretty much that, but in TS code. Not complicated, no awkward logic to worry about, just data entry. A vast, vast amount of data entry.

[thorny pasture]

Mhm, so I wouldn't actually say it actually involves coding, as to not scare people from doing it 🙂
@exotic arch I'm quite sure even without any coding knowledge you could do it!

It should just be filling in "objects", a structure of data adhering to certain limitations.

For instance:
{
name: "Brutal Slam",
tier_1: "...",
tier_2: "...",
...
}

[pliant fjord]

I'll offer whatever spare time I can find to the cause, I can type things into other things 😁

Occasionally even the right things into the right other things

[urban hollow]

I think, unless you're familiar with TypeScript and GitHub, there'll be quite a learning curve

[thorny pasture]

Oh, if the volunteers would have to mess with Github - I agree.
But I could see scenario where they just fill in JSON files, basically, with instructions on what structure they should adhere to.

It might be a good idea to just give a few exampels so people can decide for themselves if they're up to it or not.

[urban hollow]

There are loads of examples in the repo.

[obtuse marsh]

Realistically it should also be pretty easy to translate from data saved by data entry using the UI into the Typescript format, if that would widen the pool of contributors. (edit for Swype hating me)

[urban hollow]

A quick update (that required a surprising amount of work behind the scenes) - you can now add 'Summon' features to your homebrew to allow your heroes to summon creatures.

Not sure if there's anything upcoming that would require that sort of thing, but you never know.

[thorny pasture]

@idle hearth Magewright has a summon, right?

[idle hearth]

It does!

[worthy halo]

@urban hollow
I just want to thank you for the Forge Steel resource!
I ran 6 players, all of us new, trying to get through FoB last night.

On Roll20, I don't think we could have managed it without Forgesteel! ♥️♥️♥️

We took about 2.5 hours to get through 1 floor which was disappointing, but we learned and hopefully it will be better next time!

[thorny pasture]

This would likely take some work, but I think the tool could really benefit from some kind of unified "one-page" view of the character's combat abilities.
One view that includes all actions, maneuvers, triggers, etc.

(Instead of having to flip between the different tabs during combat)

[urban hollow]

Check the options menu

[thorny pasture]

The thing with that option is that you still need to scroll a lot. In other words you can't see it all at once.
Part of the idea I'm thinking of is that each option has a minimized view, that only expands (or maybe is shown in a sidebar) if you click on it.

Here's an image of a view someone made in sheets that maybe gets my idea across.

[surreal patrol]

It heartens me to see I'm not the only one that sees an issue with the abundance of negative space in the presentation of the app, Surfing Bird is right on the money with this imo

[languid grotto]

Imbued weapons seems to add their damage properly, but I have a character with an Abjurer's Bastion (a leveled implement) and it doesn't add its damage bonus to magic or psionic abilities. Is that normal?

[pliant fjord]

Horses for courses tbh, for what one person will say is too much whitespace, for another it's super nice to read.
I like me a great spreadsheet, and the example above is nice enough, it's not for everyone and actually seems a bit cramped.
MrMattDollar did a google sheets sheet one if that's your jam, but it's no where near as automated as Forge Steel.

Again, horses for courses

[exotic arch]

Yeah the blank space makes it easier to actually find specific things

[south rose]

We can export hero files, right? Anyone can make an app that imports the file and translates it into whatever format they'd like in the meantime

[pliant fjord]

Oh snap we totally can! Idk much about programming but I'm certain people can even fork forge steel and make their own layout so long as credit is given to Andy

[surreal patrol]

That would be fantastic 😓

[surreal patrol]

put another way; conflicting access needs

as a director having to scroll scroll scroll up and down a stat block which would otherwise fit in a single window is unwieldy, and is unhelpful at best when you're working with a few different types of monsters, it's far better to have all the things the monsters can do in one compact space than having to do continual menu-ing. It also slows down the pace of combat. as it is Forge Steel is unusable to me as a Director that runs combats, and has to reference stat blocks it has a similar problem way to much open-close-open-close-scroll-scroll-open-close

I would actually pay someone to make a fork of Forge Steel with tighter presentation, this horse needs a course

||folks that have to use programs like SAP will understand the struggle||

[mellow tundra]

There is another digital tool called stawl. Maybe that has what you need

[thorny pasture]

I wouldn't fork Forge Steel because then that fork would lose out on future updates. But I might consider making a tool that accepts exported Forge Steel character data and displays it in a condensed manner.

[urban hollow]

I can absolutely try to work on a compact mode, sure

[thorny pasture]

Awesome. I think it might be worth to take some inspiration from Stawl's view. Though it isn't quite as condensed as I would have liked either.
https://stawl.app/my/heroes/demo
The abilities have a slick minimized view though. And the stats are relatively more condensed, though I think you could go further by doing things like using icons/letters instead of words, etc.

[south rose]

Probably not the highest priority item, and certainly not the easiest to implement afaik, but it would be cool if Forge Steel allowed us to implement/import a Design file that it used to display our character on the site (while still retaining the Manage features, etc?) so we could design our own character info displays but use them in the same app somehow. Not sure how that would work

sorta like a Style Template in google docs

[urban hollow]

Here's an example of compact mode. Turn it on from Options.

[exotic arch]

Oh that's great for mobile too

[urban hollow]

It should switch to compact mode automatically on small screens.

[exotic arch]

Didn't on mine, not sure if that's because of my browser settings or someth tho

Wasn't a problem ofc

[thorny pasture]

How does one add titles to a character?

[finite hill]

on desktop its in the manage tab then customise , find title and add

[worthy halo]

I wish FS had a way to display a character picture, but I would imagine such a feature would be problematic due to the space requirements to start storing people's pictures. What about a link to a picture online?

[urban hollow]

I've been thinking about adding that actually.

[urban hollow]

So here's what I've added - when you're editing your hero you can upload a picture for them and it'll be displayed on the hero sheet alongside their name. The picture will also be visible when selecting your hero, and it'll appear in the encounter manager too (and on the hero's mini in maps if you're using one).

[latent onyx]

sorry if its in chat and I've missed it, can you not track hero resources anymore? I cant see the tracker anymore, or maybe its moved?

[worthy halo]

Are there any requirements for resolution type stuff? I added a PC character token, and it looks wierdly squished. Hmmm
Set to 100% Zoom. Firefox. Still a little odd.

Ought to be round which you can see from the background there I would imagine at least. (Cool effect on the background BTW!)

Hmm if I shape the browser window so all the characters vertically stack, the portrait there becomes circular..

[latent onyx]

I'm sure it used to be here

[obtuse marsh]

Odd I'm currently limited to mobile, though for me it is showing up just fine

[latent onyx]

Huh

It's happened to me on different computers, though with the same exported data

[urban hollow]

Firefox - that’s the issue. I’ll fix it.

[urban hollow]

Try deselecting / reselecting your class.

[distant imp]

How do I turn off compact mode on mobile? I can use the Compact toggle but it just makes changes the font size slightly. Id like to go back to the view prior to this being implemented ie abilities not all minimised

[urban hollow]

You can't, currently - let me see what I can do

[urban hollow]

OK, so now compact mode is turned on when you load the app on a small screen, but it can be turned off.

[vagrant imp]

So in Forge Steel where do I go to set my own languages? I want to use like standard dnd/pathfinder languages instead of Orden

[exotic arch]

Make them in the homebrew section as part of a custom sourcebook and then enable that sourcebook on the character

[vagrant imp]

got it - thanks

[worthy halo]

Something weird, I have the exported character sheet from all my players. One of them I just noticed had some inflated attribute characteristics (too many 2's and 1's).
Just a level 1 character, I'm not even sure how this could be, as I don't see an option to manipulate the scores within FS. I did notepad the .ds-hero file and find that yeah you could hack in the values - the file did show the weird values in it.

I don't think this person would have manually edited the file like that but I'm not sure how else it could have been messed up like this.

[worthy halo]

He said that he was jumping around between tabs before deciding on a character, going back and changing classes etc so it might be something slightly buggy.

[deft flicker]

Andy, do you plan to expand forge steel beyond 3rd level?

[exotic arch]

It will depend on the license updating

[deft flicker]

interesting, I haven't really been paying attention to licensing because I'm not really a creator in that way, what more can you tell me?

[icy forum]

When products are released mcdm plans to release a license along side them that cover the rules for third party use of that products contents

[exotic arch]

The license currently allows only use of the backer packet 2 text, which only goes up to level 3. It is presumed that this will be updated for the full game but there is no strict timeline on that. If/when it does, it will then take a good amount of time, even with volunteer help, to add everything in
https://www.mcdmproductions.com/draw-steel-creator-license

[urban hollow]

Yes, what they said.

[mellow tundra]

I can’t wait to enter a bunch of monster info again 😂

[pseudo marlin]

Just checking if I'm blind or if this feature do not exist: Can I create custom retainers in forge steel?

[urban hollow]

No you can't currently, without adding a homebrew creature - I'll work on this.

[sudden widget]

Has anyone been able to successfully build a homebrew class beyond level 3? I've never been able to get the stats to increase properly.

[exotic arch]

Oh shit I forgot to get back to you

So sorry lmao

[sudden widget]

Don't worry about it.

[exotic arch]

Alright yeah I just took a look and couldn't figure it out lol. Sorry to make you wait for no help 😂 but at least this is the right place to ask

[sudden widget]

We'll see then. I'll probably just have to move my character elsewhere, but I'll miss the convenience of Forge Steel.

[exotic arch]

I mean I'm sure it's a fixable bug

[sudden widget]

Yeah, I just feel like I'm probably doing something wrong, because there's no way it went this long without being discovered otherwise.

[exotic arch]

Oh you can add custom characteristic increases and those work

[exotic arch]

Nah I don't think anyone's been making big use of the homebrew features tbh, not many campaigns have been going long enough to justify it

[sudden widget]

Yeah, that's what I tried, and it doesn't do anything.

[exotic arch]

No like in the Customize section of the sheet

The class part doesn't work but that does

[sudden widget]

Ah, I'll try that then.

[sudden widget]

Yes, that works, thanks.

[urban hollow]

Do not underestimate how poor my coding skill is. Let me see if I can find the bug.

[urban hollow]

Fixed, thank you.

[vocal tiger]

Does this go beyond level 3? I tried adding XP to go to level 4 and it prompts me to level up, but there's nothing in the class page to add after level 3.

Awesome tool otherwise!!

[sonic matrix]

Because it uses the Draw Steel License, it's limited to the last backer packet release. Which only goes up to level 3

I'd expect it to get a big content push, and start going up to lv10, once the game releases with the license (though may take time to implement it all, I'm not sure how development is handling it)

[vocal tiger]

That makes sense thank you! 🙂

[urban hollow]

Development will be handled with tact and aplomb.

[crystal tulip]

Just wanted to drop in and say that the Party Overview section is such a wonderful QoL option to have; if there's anyway to export it to a CSV or similar, or even just extend the tab for broader viewing so I can see full tables at once that'd be amazing (but I understand it's an aesthetic thing so not high priority!)

[snow geyser]

Found a bug: When expanding my complication in compact mode, it shows Ancestry details instead. On mobile if that's relevant

P.S. loving the language categorization 👍

[urban hollow]

Fixed now.

[snow geyser]

Legend

[sudden widget]

Is there a way to modify the Heroic Resource acquisition conditions at higher level? All I can manage to do is add another resource by the same name.

[urban hollow]

I’d have to add a new feature type for this I think.

[worthy halo]

Hmm what would be the best way to save this into the Forge Steel character information?

Or ideally, can a drop down menu be added after that selection is chosen?

[urban hollow]

I’ll see if I can add a way to customise features, in the same way you can customise abilities

[surreal patrol]

is there a way to delete a source book?

[south rose]

if it's a homebrew sourcebook, yeah you just click the trashcan button

[exotic arch]

It's disabled if you have any characters using it I think

[surreal patrol]

that's what I needed thanks

[mortal sparrow]

Any chance we can get "Surprised" added to the conditions in Vitals?

[urban hollow]

Yeah absolutely

[sonic matrix]

Might be a thing now, was a while ago when I was messing with it, but is there a way to add movement types to custom ancestry point buy traits? Aka, granting climb, swim, burrow, and fly speeds?

[urban hollow]

Yeah I'll look into that - it's never a different value, is it? It just adds a new movement mode?

[sonic matrix]

I think that's correct

[exotic arch]

Yeah we've only seen it in the goblin/radenwright playtests I think so far? It just adds a keyword

[urban hollow]

That makes things simpler.

[urban hollow]

That's in now - you can add Movement Mode feature type in homebrew, or from the hero's Customize panel.

[urban hollow]

That's in now.

[sonic matrix]

Awesome!

[urban hollow]

You can now add notes to features - it works the same way as customizing your hero's abilities.

[urban hollow]

Well, I was going to go outside for a walk, but there's a thunderstorm, so instead you get new features.

[opal relic]

@urban hollow Question for you: under Recoveries, there is a "Spend a Recovery - Don't regain Stamina" button.

Can this only appear for classes/heroes who have abilities that work like this, like the Conduit? I've got a Fury player who has made this mistake multiple times and cursed the site wondering why she's even able to click it. (Unless there are other reasons one might spend a Recovery without gaining Stamina?)

[mellow tundra]

I’ve had players spend a recovery during a montage test to simulate a small-scale skirmish

[urban hollow]

There are lots of situations in which you might lose a recovery without regaining any stamina

Consequences for a failed test, for example

[opal relic]

Fair enough. Thanks! 🙂

[exotic arch]

Any hero could end up doing this even without Director fiat because of Bloodbound Bands, FWIW.

Also just to be clear — are you having a Conduit player spend their own Recoveries to heal people? Or did you mean Censor?

[opal relic]

Ah! Another excellent point.

And no, I mixed up Conduit and Censor. We don’t have either in the party, and I couldn’t remember which class had that ability. You’re correct!

[exotic arch]

Just checkin 😂

[tender flame]

I just want to say, I really like this tool. It's amazing how all-encompassing it is.

[woeful shore]

I'm prepping for my intro session with my players and planning to have them use the app. I know not every class has a "subclass" but is there somewhere that says which one it is?

For example, the pregen human censor is an exorcist, but the only place I can find that is on the abilities.

[exotic arch]

Every class does have a subclass! Are you talking about specifically the pregens, or characters in the app in general?

[woeful shore]

I guess I was thinking of conduit when I said there's ones without subclasses.

I'm talking about the app in general. For example, here's the hero screen for the pregen human censor. It lists career, class, ancestry, and doman but not subclass which should be exorcist.

It does however list exorcist as the source of one of the features on the next page.

[urban hollow]

Click on your class

[woeful shore]

Got it, thanks!

Actually, clicking on the class just shows the different options. Is there a place that shows which one is selected for this hero? You can tell based on what's in here but for a new player I'm not sure it'll be apparent.

[exotic arch]

You're on mobile huh? On desktop it shows the subclass on the main page

You'd have to scroll all the way down in the class sidebar once you click on it

[woeful shore]

Yeah, I have a couple old tablets and I was planning on using them with forge steel for the new players. I don't think this will prevent me from doing that, just something I noticed while going through the pregens.

[urban hollow]

I've tweaked the display so it shows your subclass on mobile.

[hearty gale]

Just want to say that Forge Steel is an amazing tool and this community is better off for it. Cheers!

[terse crystal]

Is there a plan to make it more mobile friendly? An issue my friends and I are having is it messing up when in the drop down menus and the refreshing losing all of our progress. I wanna make this clear, Forge Steel is a godsend, I'm just trying to offer some feedback.

[midnight dust]

Gonna continue here from #1396978132661174463 message to not drag that thread even further off-topic:

Thing is: I was looking for a way to manipulate abilities under Edit - because I want to edit things.
I am also now remembering another bit of customization I'd love to have: custom damage numbers, so I don't have to remember all the extra fire damage the fire elementalist gets.

[urban hollow]

I could add the ability to customise abilities from the Edit screen, sure.

[midnight dust]

Probably no easy way to just let users add custom abilities, is there? since they all need IDs

[urban hollow]

Easy to do, but not easy to enter all the details for a custom ability

[terse crystal]

I was thinking for some reason the elementalist's bonuses were already added but maybe not.

[midnight dust]

maybe they are for the lv 1-3 stuff, but there's an additional d6 in later levels that you can't customize onto there... I guess you can't add anything beyond lv 3; I can see why I stopped using it >.<

definitely checking back in once the license is out

[urban hollow]

You can now add completely custom abilities to any hero, from the Customize sidebar

[urban hollow]

Why are you refreshing the page? I'm not sure I understand the issue.

[terse crystal]

It happens by accident while scrolling to the top of the page. It seems to be paired with the issues with the drop down menus on mobile.

[exotic arch]

Been hoping for this. Thank you Andy!!

[mellow flame]

Quick q: is the description on the Polders correct? "They are not humans, but they live in and among humans" emphasis mine. Because if I can play a lore accurate 3 polders in a trenchcoat, that trenchcoat being human skin, I know what I'll play when I get the opportunity

[crystal tulip]

I think by in and amongst they mean in and among human society, not physically within individual humans, but the concept is phenomenal

[wise bolt]

Spend all your ancestry points on size 1L, +an extra maneuver, -1 speed, and you're ready to rock and roll.

[mellow flame]

gonna give them also the Chaos Touched complication. "Now you can sprout and retract limbs in a way that can horrify unprepared onlookers." I think seeing grabby hands coming out of the seams of a human suit will definitely horrify onlookers xD

[midnight dust]

Holy shit, that's a robust editor!
Felt a little weird to me to have the customize section be so hidden, but thinking about it some more, it makes sense to keep it out of the way of the stuff for the regular use-case. Reminds me of DMhub's philosophy for the codex: Make simple things easy and complex things possible.
And damn, you work fast. Absolute legend!

[mellow tundra]

For some reason, when I try to open Forge Steel in Edge, I just get a blank white screen

[sonic matrix]

Solution: don't use edge

(Jk, hit f12 and see if there's an error message?)

[mellow tundra]

what is f12 supposed to do?

oh, nvm

"Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'plots')
at index-DdRnKcjF.js:2406:10368
at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
at w5.updatePlaybook (index-DdRnKcjF.js:2406:10349)
at index-DdRnKcjF.js:2590:35976"

[urban hollow]

Cheers, I'll fix that

Refresh the app now

[obtuse marsh]

Andy, you're an absolute legend.

[sage vapor]

I've created a few customs classes, but when I get to the Heroes tab to pick them, they arent there. any help please?

[exotic arch]

You need to activate the sourcebook they're in on that hero

In the hero editor

[sage vapor]

Do you mean the Eye?

[exotic arch]

The what?

[sage vapor]

top right eye here?

[exotic arch]

That just means it's visible on the current view, you can toggle that on or off. Go into editing a hero, go to the Start tab, and add that sourcebook

[sage vapor]

Thank you chief

[topaz grotto]

Are the conduit domain piety triggers shown anywhere on Forge Steel?

[exotic arch]

In your Piety section

[topaz grotto]

nvm I found it, it's in your prayer section

Can I request it to be moved to the Piety section instead? Seems like it should be there instead of being lumped in with the prayer effects

[urban hollow]

Yes that makes sense, I’ll see if I can do that

[south rose]

Kind of piggybacking off of that point, while making my homebrew class, I'd love it if we could tag features as being extensions of other features. Like how the Censor's subclass extends their Judgement (letting them teleport, do damage, or pull)

something like this maybe

[urban hollow]

That should work now - it's required a bit of reworking of Domains, so you'll have to deselect / reselect your chosen Domains.

[topaz grotto]

thank you!

[urban hollow]

That might work now - use a Package feature to pull in information from Package Content features.

[south rose]

I'll check it out!

[urban hollow]

You can also add Package Content feature into abilities in the same way - I've updated Judgment to do this.

[south rose]

Dope, thank you!

[mellow tundra]

Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'plots')
at index-UaF8Cfyj.js:2464:10368
at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
at FR.updatePlaybook (index-UaF8Cfyj.js:2464:10349)
at index-UaF8Cfyj.js:2648:35977

still not working

[urban hollow]

Try again now

[mellow tundra]

yup! all good. Thanks!

[obtuse marsh]

I'm thinking of seeing if I can get a quick solution put together to help with crowdsourcing updating the content when the book releases (asuming the license permits doing so). The idea is that the tool would allow one to convert an exported file to the TypeScript data format so folks could use Forge Steel directly for updating. Andy, can you think of any gotchas to look out for with the process of copying a class and using the export of the copy as a baseline?

[urban hollow]

The main issue is that the data inside FS isn’t in JSON, it’s in code.

But I have set up a project board to help track progress - https://github.com/users/andyaiken/projects/3/views/1

So hopefully that will be useful

[pearl laurel]

This might be an edge case that other users wouldn't be interested in, but would it be possible to be able to add nicknames to enemies?

[obtuse marsh]

Exactly, which is why I was thinking of a tool to do the conversion from JSON to TS.

[urban hollow]

Yeah, give it a go!

[urban hollow]

Done - you can now edit monster names when running an encounter.

[urban hollow]

Just to illustrate - use the edit button to the right of the name. You can use emoji.

[crystal tulip]

Phenomenal reference

[urban hollow]

Data entry - now in all-new thread: https://discord.com/channels/332362513368875008/1400372688782102608

[mortal sparrow]

Godspeed (or whatever narcotic your deity chooses to self-medicate with)

[obtuse marsh]

For anyone who was interested in supporting the conversion effort, though concerned about needing to know TypeScript to do so, I added a link to a tool in the data entry thread that will allow you to use Forge Steel itself for creating Hero Classes. It won't likely get 100% of the way there, but should provide a solid baseline to hand off to someone with the TypeScript chops to carry over the finish line.

[exotic arch]

Oh neat!

If there's anything left to do after this killer weekend (and I'm sure there will be) I will for sure do that!

[urban hollow]

There absolutely will be - hero data is a lot of work, but monster data is BIGGER

[pliant fjord]

Are we even going to have all the classes imported by this weekend 😬 How you do this on your own astounds me

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/anna-kendrick-anna-kendrick-gif-10990927192521667944

[tender flame]

Sheer numbers also.

People who want to actively use this data are incentivized to help lol

[pliant fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[hollow epoch]

Just started diving into this tool, looks great! Thanks for the awesome work. Only thing that confused me was in the character builder, the ability score titles/names are hard to see/read when you pick your array in the class section

How do I toggle off dark mode if possible? Probably fixes it

[urban hollow]

I will fix that.

[leaden quiver]

Hey stupid question real quick, when in SESSION and running an encounter and a map, how do you move minis without breaking player view?

[south rose]

I might be wrong here, but I don't think forge steel has any way to broadcast maps and tokens. Are you using a VTT? Or like, projecting forge steel onto a TV for in-person play?

[leaden quiver]

Just playing around at the moment, Using the Player View button to open a second browser window with a random map. I believe I would ‘share screen’ in discord or on a tv to show that.

However if I make any changes to it, it stops sharing to the other window.

[urban hollow]

I'll look into this.

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[urban hollow]

Fixed (I think)

[thorny pasture]

I think the damage on Inspiring Strike might be off.

[mellow tundra]

What is your might and what kit(s) are you using?

[urban hollow]

[3 / 5 / 8] + M, looks right to me - do you have any features that add to melee damage?

[neon smelt]

I'm not seeing my custom sourcebook showing up in the character options. Am I missing a step or option?

[urban hollow]

This is on the Start page of the hero builder

[neon smelt]

There it is. I new it had to be somewhere. Thanks!

[sudden widget]

Just to clarify, will the character creator be going to level 10?

[storm forge]

Yes, update is in progress. Some classes are done and live.

[sudden widget]

Fantastic thanks.

[mellow tundra]

I will say, though, keep an eye out for any bugs in the features/abilities. I went over the censor several times when I was updating it, but there very well may be some issues there

[south rose]

When I have a Package as a Section of the Content of an Ability, Package Content works perfectly. In fact, I have custom kits that grant package content for a package in the class. Works great. But when I have a feature that is just a package (as opposed to an ability that has content including a package as a section), it doesn't seem to want to bring in the package content, even from a subclass.

[urban hollow]

I’ll check this - have you checked the tag is the same?

[pseudo marlin]

Hmm, not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or something is missing. I tried to add lvl 4 on my censor, which worked fine, I cannot access the 4th level domain feature though. I tried as well, to create new character - the same issue

Can it be because domains were actually updated after the censor in the code?

Just to add to it, it seems that the forge steel is not recognising that I have selected domain, even though I'm able to select domain feature at level 2

Oh, ok xD No worries. Just noticed that actually the files are not updated yet 😄

[mellow tundra]

hahaha I can't even increase to level 4 on my censor

[pseudo marlin]

Well, you have to re-create the character. Potentially removing the class, saving the character and adding class again would work as well.

[mellow tundra]

yeah, that is interesting. I guess I could just add a domain choice at level 4 like at level 2, but that comes with obvious issues

[south rose]

Yep, in fact I tried changing the tags a couple times. Each time making sure they matched. No luck

[south rose]

1. on the class Levels tab, 2) on the subclass Levels tab, 3) the result on a Hero

[terse crystal]

Hey, it's been a minute since I've checked in, but has there been any progress on getting Forge Steel more optimized on mobile? Or is there a trick to getting it to work better on mobile?

[south rose]

better like look better? There's compact mode now. Better like run/load faster? no idea

[terse crystal]

Yeah, we had issues with the drop down menus working properly as well as issues with the website refreshing instead of scrolling.

[urban hollow]

Is there content in the package content description box?

[south rose]

There is

might be related, but something else I'm noticing: when I click to Edit a subclass via the pencil button on the Subclasses tab of the class, if I try to change the subclass I'm editing with the dropdown, it doesn't change. I have to go back to class and clickt he pencil icon on a different subclass

[urban hollow]

That, I think, should be fixed now

[urban hollow]

Send me the class and I'll look into it.

[idle shoal]

Now that the final pdf is out and the license is fully available, do we need to recreate our characters to have the most updated version? Or will they update automatically?

[urban hollow]

I’m afraid you’ll have to recreate!

[south rose]

working now! I thinking swapping between subclasses was preventing me from saving the change (swapping a feature from text to package content?). Working great now

[sudden widget]

This seems to be a bug with the Censor. I do have a domain selected, but I'm guessing that beneath the hood, it's being handled differently than in the Conduit, since it's not a "subclass" here, and that is leading to the bug.

[urban hollow]

I suspect you’re still using the old version of the domain. If you reselect it might fix itself

[sudden widget]

Yes, that got it, thanks.

[delicate saffron]

Is there any way to reduce a level? I added victories and did a respite to see what it did before I checked to make sure I could later on undo that. I'll have to redo the selections later anyway (to get to release version), so if there is no way it's not a problem for me. But I thought I'd ask while it's on my mind.

[exotic arch]

In the hero editor under class, you can just decrement it

[delicate saffron]

Ok, took me a bit to find. Editor > Class > Class options. I just wasn't digging deep enough.

[latent onyx]

Just looking at the data entry updates, if its in the "done" section should that be working? I just noticed that Polder still only has 3 points instead of the updated to 4 so not sure if the database has been updated yet?

Was making a new character to test

[storm forge]

Mine shows 4

[fair nimbus]

For you to see updated info you have to fully unselect and reselect that thing. I find it easier to just rebuild a character from scratch than to do that with every individual option.

[latent onyx]

Yeah that's what I was doing, but I think it didn't have the updates? Weird

Is there a new sourcebook or soemthing I need to add?

[obtuse marsh]

Did you refresh your browser? In the past I've forgotten to do so and left a tab open for a long time.

[latent onyx]

Oh quite possibly

Yeah that was it

[urban hollow]

You can now create custom homebrew subclasses, which will show up when you're selecting a subclass for your heroes. It'll also let you pick a subclass from a different class, if you wanted to do that for some weird reason.

[urban hollow]

To clarify, you could always create homebrew subclasses as part of a homebrew class, but now you can create them individually.

[midnight dust]

I recently ran my first encounter using Forge Steel and it was a huge help!
But one feature I missed was a button I could press that would calculate the malice gained at encounter/round start for me. Is that a thing, and if so where can I find it?

[obtuse marsh]

That should be automatically handled when using the Session view and using that view for tracking turns

[midnight dust]

Okay, i see why I missed it: My brain passed right over the button saying "to start add your heroes", because it was greyed out. And it was my impression that I had already added heroes when I made the encounter, to calculate the budget.
Even when looking at it a minute ago in a completely stress-free situation, I didn't see it 😅
Thanks for the (very obvious in hindsight) info :)

[mellow echo]

not sure if there is a proper way to report this, but the Goaded feature (2nd level mastermind tactician) is not currently tagged as a triggered action, which it should be given opportunity attacks are

[urban hollow]

I've updated that.

[upper cypress]

Yo the text on the result is barely legible after the tier result gets highlighted.

[urban hollow]

Sorted, thanks!

[mellow echo]

Cool, thanks!

This is really cool

[neon smelt]

I'm not seeing heroic resource generation numbers change at higher levels: (image is from a level 5 character)

[soft cosmos]

I'm super happy to help with this! 😄

[urban hollow]

You’re not seeing that because that’s not a feature that’s been implemented - it’s coming though

[neon smelt]

Didn't realize that, thanks!

[nova radish]

I see that there's a great item and title reference, is there a way that I'm missing to attach them to a character? to "grant" them a title or "equip" an item and have the stats adjust accordingly? Or is that still coming? (Phenomenal effort so far by the way, love having this tool)

[urban hollow]

Use the Manage button and switch to the Inventory tab

For titles, use the Customise tab

[worthy halo]

Did we lose the organization of the Langauges by region or culture as types?

[worthy halo]

Oh I see there are tags, you could still filter by. Still IMO it was better before.

New topic - The Kit bonus to "Distance Bonus" I think needs to be adjusted / fixed. Presently if the Tags of "Melee" and "Weapon" (and presumably "Ranged" and "Weapon"?) if there is an AREA keyword as well, that ask in the case of the Fury's "Back!" power, which has a Burst 1 area of effect, and the AREA keyword, the power on the character sheet changes to Burst 2. I believe this is an error. If the AREA keyword shows up, then I think the "Distance Bonus" should not apply to the power.

[urban hollow]

I think that should be updated now.

[exotic arch]

There are some small nuances, like it does apply to the distance of something like Thunder Roar — it doesn't increase the area but it increases the distance (so it becomes a 5 x 1 line within 2)

But I'm pretty sure that's already working right last time I checked

[dusky basin]

Is there a way to export a forge steel character to owlbear radio? Thought I remember reading that but could be wrong lol

[exotic arch]

Owlbear Rodeo doesn't have any DS character sheet plugins at the moment. Are you thinking of Foundry? There was talk of that at one point, I believe

[languid grotto]

There is a plugin to have your stamina and recoveries tied to your token, with a button to spend a recovery and fields for temp stamina and surges, but I don't think you can automatically get the values from Forge Steel

[exotic arch]

Yeah DS Tools is goated, just not a proper sheet with import function

Or permanent tracking unforch cos it's token based

[languid grotto]

I just wanted to mention it in case this is what Pakman was talking about

[dusky basin]

Yes I believe that’s what I was thinking of, thanks for clarifying!

[dusky basin]

That’s completely understandable, I’m just happy that forge steel exists and has half the functionality it does

Between forge steel and owlbear I think I can bide my time for virtual games until the VTT comes out

[exotic arch]

Yep that's all I've been using and it's been great

[devout cove]

Maybe I've missed something, but I had a level 3 tactician before the release, and am trying to level up to 4.

I input the XP to the character, it give me the prompt that there's enough XP to level up, and when I go in to Edit, it asks me to level up to 5, not 4. I hit the button and try to level down with the (-) and it goes right back to 3?

[soft cosmos]

how does auth work in this app?

[languid grotto]

Level above 3 might not have been implemented yet, the game came out not that long ago

[storm forge]

All levels are implemented. Not sure what the issue is, might need to rebuild your character or unselect and reselect your class. Might be an issue with your old character not interacting well with the updated data, characters won't auto update (because they are stored locally, I think)

[devout cove]

Have you tried turning it off and on again
Makes total sense! Thanks

[urban hollow]

Everything is stored locally

[soft cosmos]

very cool!

[obtuse marsh]

I found in interesting edge case with immunities: a revenant with a blue color cloak. Under normal circumstances the second source of cold immunity is redundant, however when activating the cloak having the second source would make a difference. The crux is that it isn't necessarily intuitive in the UI, e.g. a non-revenant player would know to just treat the listed immunity as a weakness instead, whereas the secondary source means that in fact both would apply.

Can anyone think of similar scenarios, or is this just an isolated edge case. And does anyone have thoughts on how to address it, if it is even worth considering?

[urban hollow]

I think we definitely note it as something to think about

[worthy halo]

I am slightly confused by your wording.

As I read the rules - different sources of the same bonus stack, it is only identical powers being applied where the hightest applies....

@urban hollow
Got another one for you to consider.

I made a Time Raider Null with 0 M(ight).

Is there any way to choose the affecting stat for Grab? Might also apply to knock back..

[obtuse marsh]

Page 277, last paragraph of the immunity section.

[worthy halo]

Nice @obtuse marsh
I was trying to find a ruling on stacking immunities and looked at the wrong thing. Page 76, Stacking Unique Effects.

[cold mesa]

Not sure if this is a me thing, but this is basically unreadable, took me far too long to figure out how to level up. 🤣

I will take full blame for missing the + though

[worthy halo]

You should have seen how long it took me to find the Create a New Hero Button Sigh.

[pliant fjord]

This was noted already and not a functionality that can be implemented at this time unfortunately. For the time being you'll just need to manually add the bonus

[worthy halo]

Could a notes field of some type be added to the power? Then it could be manually typed..

maybe that would defy the formatting too much

[obtuse marsh]

You can create a custom ability for it, which is probably a better stopgap

wait, nevermind there's already support for notes🤦
Just click on the ability and you can customize it

[worthy halo]

oh cool, nice spot

[urban hollow]

Fixed

[soft cosmos]

FYI the Career Panel is currently empty on desktop right now

[urban hollow]

In the hero builder, or in the hero sheet?

[soft cosmos]

hero builder

You can still randomize it and it'll work that way, but selecting from the list appears to be blank

[urban hollow]

Should be fixed now

[surreal patrol]

it looks like the ability view option has lost functionality

doesn't do anything

ah

it only works if you don't have single page selected

or toggled

is that possible to make it work when in single page view mode, by chance

[subtle wharf]

Is there currently no way to randomly generate heroes higher than 1st level?

[urban hollow]

No not currently! Would you find this useful?

[exotic arch]

The homebrew crowd would appreciate that for playtesting for sure

[subtle wharf]

I would, yeah!

Also, if I may be so greedy, maybe a few options within random generation? Like, If I know I want a Fury, but everything else to be random, I could tell it that

[worthy halo]

Hey Andy - how do you see the Montage Builder being used - in the "Sections" portion, if I add an entry with description - what would you see going under Challenges and Twists?

[worthy halo]

Building my first Montage for FoB. Probably used as a template to help me build others in the future.

[urban hollow]

If you add the standard 'infiltrate the palace' montage you can see what the various bits are used for

[tender kite]

I have a question: I ran session 0 for new players today. Used Forge Steel and 2 characters worked perfectly, but 1 player's sheet wouldn't export as pdf. Tried letting him dictate his options to me and I couldn't export it on my computer either. Was a Revenant/Tactician. Curious if anyone else has this problem and if its related to character choices?

[lyric quarry]

One of my players is having trouble exporting character sheet pdfs (exports as data just fine) as a Mastermind Tactician. I tinkered around with removing parts until I could export and it's specifically choosing Mastermind as the Tactical Doctrine that causes it to not export. An otherwise empty character that's only selected Tactician and Mastermind refuses to export as pdfs. Is this a known issue? Or should I submit a bug report? Or is it a me problem?

[delicate saffron]

I have an existing Mastermind Tactician, it exports just fine, but when I made a new Mastermind Tactitician it will not export in either portrait or landscape modes. So, there might be a bug introduced in a recent (last 3-5 days based on my existing one) edit.

[lyric quarry]

Aight, yea that timeline matches what my player was mentioning, I'll go ahead and submit a bug report then

[mellow tundra]

Just FYI, Andy is out this week (I think), so it may take some time to be resolved

[digital timber]

looks like the ≥ character used in the text of a couple features is causing the PDF library to choke

[lyric quarry]

Ahh, that makes sense

[urban hollow]

Apologies, I’ll fix that once I’m back.

[lyric quarry]

All good, I appreciate all the work you and your team are putting into this tool, it's an excellent piece of kit

[vagrant imp]

I love Forge Steel with all my heart but is there anything on the roadmap to do a login system so I can access my stuff from multiple machines? I do a lot of pbp and sometimes am on my work PC, or home PC or phone and not being able to bring everything with me and needing to export, import all the time is killing me! Any thoughts on doing like a Google login to bring our encounters and stuff with?

[obtuse marsh]

I've been giving some thought to contributing support for (optional) Google Drive login. I'm still at the drawing board for how to approach it in a manner that might make it possible for sharing among a group.

[solar folio]

Yknow, I'd also honestly be okay with an export-import option like how https://cardconjurer.app just lets you dump your custom cards as a file that you can load up into another browser client

[vagrant imp]

Something like Fresh Cut Grass for Daggerheart is so helpful because I can save encounters, damage some enemies then load the site on my phone and immediately see all health and stuff and adjust in real time.

[solar folio]

...of course thats what a Daggerheart tool got called lol

[obtuse marsh]

Sorry, I don't follow how that is different from what Forge Steel already has 😅

[solar folio]

moreso a mass-export option, like one file that has all of it. and if that already exists my bad!

[solar folio]

i believe the challenge there is that data is stored on a server and then passed down to you, while Forge Steel (afaik) will be storing your stuff in local storage for your browser. Andy would have to run a whole backend data server and user login system which immediately increases complexity and adds a variety of security compliances into the mix

[south rose]

owlbear 1.0 didn't have a login and it worked great, idk how. Maybe one person could be the "host" of the party - keep all the heroes on their local machine (mayb ejust in browser cookies) and everyone could "join th eparty" when theyre playing, just send updates to the host. End of the session, no more clients on the host, and the host has all the updated hero sheets

[obtuse marsh]

Afaik OBR 1.0 stored everything in browser data on the host machine and then used a p2p handshake for the session. Since there was nothing sensitive stored, security would have been less critical.

[obtuse marsh]

Ah gotcha, yeah there are a handful of export chunk options, though not an everything option.

[solar folio]

yeah, owlbear 1.0 wasnt accessible by players outside of session time right? DM had to host it for them to get in?

sounds like P2P handshake yeah

[south rose]

if the hero sheets were all hosted by a single person (ostensibly the director), there could also be an export option that did a full-party health check. Like how many recoveries they've burned through in aggregate

could also make potency checks easier for the director. basilisk uses petrying eye beam and you dont have to say "ok whoever got a tier one, if your reason is less than 1 then blah but if you got a tier two, then..." you could just ask for tiers and tell each person what happens

I guess that's not a feature of the architecture anymore, just something I wish I was keeping track of better

[obtuse marsh]

Those sound like reasonable asks for the session view

[fair nimbus]

I'd love to be able to mass export as AmbyNavy has requested. The "Folder" system is already a good way to keep characters organized. Sourcebooks is another good example of organizing info already in Forge Steel. Maybe a 'Campaign' organization method that can be applied to Characters, Sourcebooks, Encounters, Montages, Negotiations, and Tactical Maps so they can be exported together?
This would be mostly a workaround until some form of login or direct sharing is available.

[solar folio]

exporting is still nice because it means i own my data and its on my system instead of a server somewhere

[covert marlin]

Possible tiny bug: I exported a Soldier today (iPad, Safari) and noticed that the 1 starting Renown didn’t make it to the PDF. Instead it displayed as 0.

[tender flame]

Suggestion: Would be nice if in the Kit Selection I could also search for things like "Disengage".

[agile mountain]

Commenting to place-hold this interesting possibility - as Director, I'd love to be able to see all my players sheets on Forge Steel while each of them also have (a fully-sync'd) view of their own sheet too 🤞 If I've missed something here and this is already possible then please put me out of my ignorant misery! 😅

[tender flame]

Another thing, I noticed that Knockback and Grab lack the Weapon keyword. They have it in the book.

By the way, it's nice that you can see things like damage values and potencies all calculated, but it'd be nice if you could also see the original formula.

[sage vapor]

Hey Andrew nice seeing you here, but I'd also love to see my players sheets (or maybe just skills) in one view.

[opal relic]

My way around this was to have all my players send me a data export of their characters, then imported them all into a folder on my Forge Steel. Within that folder, I can see everyone’s ability scores, languages known, and skills in a single table, which has been SUPER handy.

It’s not dynamically updating and doesn’t include stamina or recoveries of course, but it’s still really useful.

[agile mountain]

This is probably what I'll do after I've migrated my 5e group to DS (via the Delian Tomb adventure), and we switch to full character sheets 😄

[exotic arch]

@sage vapor Click the lightning bolt

[tender flame]

On the pdf?

[ripe wharf]

How up-to-date is Forge Steel to the released game?

[mellow tundra]

basically all hero stuff is done, monsters are in the process of being updated

[ripe wharf]

oh awesome! Yea I don't intend to use it as a director just wanted to know if it was a good resource to send to my players for character creation. Thank you !

[mellow tundra]

There are some bugs that need to be worked through, mostly to do with levels 4+, but for lower levels it should be good

[obtuse marsh]

Most bugs are also relatively manageable, to my knowledge the most impactful is that the PDF export doesn't like the ≥ character that is present in a few places. Notably, the Studied Commander feature of the Mastermind and the Zeitgeist feature of the Troubadour are affected by this.

[ripe wharf]

gotcha! I let my players know, though I imagine we won't be level 4 for a while

[digital timber]

I've gone ahead and opened a PR that should fix the PDF export, once Andy is back and can take a look at it.

[near flower]

Question, is there a way to change what stat an ability's power roll uses just in the menu? Because I wanna override Knockback and Grab to use Intuition since I'm making a Null.

[digital timber]

I suspect you'd have to make a homebrew version of the ability

[near flower]

Uhh, slight follow up question. How? I managed to do some other homebrew but I haven't managed to find a place to make abilities

[digital timber]

hmm, good question. I haven't actually done any homebrew stuff myself, but you're right it does look like the level of 'make a homebrew of this' is at e.g. the Class level and such, not for the standard abilities.

maybe you could make a homebrew Null, and add a 'Null Knockback' and 'Null Grab' class ability?

[near flower]

I managed to figure out a place to do it but it's really not an ideal place. I made an entire fork of the Null except it has an intuition Grab and Knockback- oh yeah like that

I think I might just slap notes on the bottom of the default ones for now though, since I don't fully remember how much of the hero stuff is updated from playtest versions yet and I wouldn't want to exclude myself from potential updates/fixes

[near flower]

Oh wait I think I've found something

Hero -> Customize Button -> Custom Ability

[finite scaffold]

Good morning, I am doing data entry for foundry module and was wondering if forged steel by chance as an API to pull the data you guys have already put together

[fierce hatch]

Looks like the potency in the troubadour 5 cost ability Method Acting isn't working.

I also noticed my starting Renown got dropped from 2 to 0 when exporting to pdf.

[digital timber]

I've seen other people mention the Renown issue - I'm working on an overhaul of the PDF export to try and make it look a lot more like the official character sheet (and get rid of using templated PDFs altogether) and I have that fixed on my (still WIP) branch.

[obtuse marsh]

You can export data from the Forge Steel UI, though I would expect there to be a fair volume of headaches with differences between how things are structured between the platforms.

[finite scaffold]

Export will work, hoping to create a common schema across the DS community tools. Then folks can export/import as they want. Probably not a great idea, but I think I'll give it a shot anyways.

[soft cosmos]

Does the SteelCompendium's API not work for your purposes?

[digital timber]

not sure what you mean? does that have a character builder & character sheet export as PDF?

[soft cosmos]

oh I'm sorry, I was responding to the wrong message!

I meant to to respond to @finite scaffold

[finite scaffold]

API is what I'm looking for, do you have a link with documentation by chance?

[soft cosmos]

ah it seems they don't have an API, instead it's all statically held in their github from scraping data from the PDFs

https://github.com/SteelCompendium/data-md

that being said, creating an API from this markdown doesn't seem too bad to try to do? But probably outside of the scope of this mini-thread about Forge Steel lol

[finite scaffold]

I think a bunch of teams are all doing duplicate data entry, would be nice to have it all distilled into a common text format

[soft cosmos]

1000 agreed

if someone who works with those teams is willing for us to come together and make a consensus, I can create the API for it

it's really simple

[obtuse marsh]

Well, I've helped contribute some to Forge Steel, and I would contend it is not quite so simple. There's a lot more structure to get thing to hook up and interact than just formatting the text.

[soft cosmos]

Oh I mostly meant the API design itself should be relatively straightforward, if you're actually interacting with the API it's a lot more challenging for sure

[finite scaffold]

Each app that uses the API would need to create a transform that takes the data and makes it a usable object. This is not simple, but very solvable. The advantage is the data entry (non programmer) part will be way easier and a joint effort between all the tools.

As right now you are copying pasting monster name, stamina, speed, ect in all the tools over and over

[soft cosmos]

Yes this is exactly what I mean

[finite scaffold]

I am more than happy to help, I cannot really own any as my work/life schedule means I will randomly go dark for weeks at a time. I can make a post on the broader page and ask what teams want to be included.

[obtuse marsh]

Not exactly, the tool wouldn't have enough data from the API unless the API already understood the data structures at least as well as the tool. Because converting the text to something more is a task that either requires human input or [topic not allowed on this discord]

[soft cosmos]

hm, the steelcompendium folks also have this: https://github.com/SteelCompendium/web-adapter

[obtuse marsh]

Which, to be clear I'm not trying to shut the idea down, just noting that data entry has to be in a complex format. (Which is why I built a tool that back-converts the Forge Steel data export into Forge Steel code, so data entry could use the UI)

[finite scaffold]

Ahh that tool might already be doing what I'm thinking, I'll take a look

[obtuse marsh]

Assuming the Foundry implementation has similar robustness to Forge Steel, the current data format of the compendium won't get the whole way there.

[digital timber]

There's a reason there are many large companies in almost every domain that just do this kind of thing haha

[obtuse marsh]

Warning: the converter I built is ugly as sin cause I built it in like two days to expedite the one time update for Forge Steel

[finite scaffold]

Don't want to recreate the wheel so if a tool works more than happy to use it (doesn't have to look pretty)😁

[obtuse marsh]

Oh, also it only works for classes and monsters at present. I suppose forking it would at least serve as a bootstrap for another platform 🤔
https://github.com/MeAndUnique/ForgeSteelConverter

[smoky quartz]

I am completely unsure how to level up a character in this, am I just missing something?

omfg I just found it lmao

[smoky quartz]

quick bug just to let someone know

The level 6 perk choice is not assigning a perk to the level 6 slot, rather the level 2 slot

[obtuse marsh]

Looks like a typo in the data conversion; I'll share in that thread incase someone can tackle it before I'm able to

[real timber]

Hi! The effect in this ability has been reworded in 1.0

It should read:
“If the target has none of your allies adjacent to them, you gain 1 surge before making the power roll.”

[storm forge]

That is my bad, i will get a PR in for the fix

[nova radish]

Haha yes this is what got me earlier today

[real timber]

Haha I had a feeling so went a-looking

[ornate basalt]

Where can I track notices of updates to Forge Steel? I'm wondering if it's up to date for the release rules?

[exotic arch]

It's up to date for heroes though there are some bugs being worked out. Monsters are in progress

[ornate basalt]

Super! Thanks.

[sonic merlin]

With some Conduit characters, domain-specific effects don't show up under the Prayer feature. Creating a fully new character seems to work OK, but importing a character I made a couple weeks ago absolutely won't display the domain effects, even if I delete and re-add domains, switch browsers, switch devices, etc. Also, the pregen Conduit doesn't have a Prayer feature at all on the digital sheet, and still doesn't even if I delete & readd domains, etc.

Any idea what might be causing this, or any workarounds?

[south rose]

have you tried unselecting the class and reselecting?

iirc the Prayer feature appears under the Piety generation area on the sheet

[sonic merlin]

Okay, yes, tested this works, thanks! This does require choosing all the class features and abilities again, though, which is...not ideal, especially for a pre-gen.

FWIW even when the domain effects don't appear on the web sheet, they do appear on the PDF export, so it's not the end of the world even for new players trying to use the pregen—just inconvenient.

[south rose]

maybe one day we'll have a way to refresh the class of a hero without repicking everything 🙏

[obtuse marsh]

Fwiw, I don't think the pregens have been updated yet, so that should be addressed soon

Re: refreshing without needing to reselect probably won't be too terrible of a feature to add, though I doubt it'll ever be able to automate the volume of changes from the preview packet to the full release. That would almost certainly be more work than the combined effort of manually refreshing every character from the preview version

Though tbf I'm just speculation, maybe Andy has a truck up his sleeve (edit: no, I don't think I will fix the typo)

[urban hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/snape-sleeves-harry-potter-ready-pull-up-sleeves-gif-16275134

[subtle wharf]

reminder text on surges says I add 2 damage per surge, even though I have might 3

[crystal tulip]

Will Forge Steel's abilities be updated to match the new errata?

[mellow tundra]

I expect so, when people can get around to it

[tender flame]

More a question of when rather than if.

[thorn berry]

I think I spotted a couple issues with the troubadour:

• The invocation "Allow Me to Introduce Tonight’s Players" is there but unnamed.
• The level three 7-cost abilities are all missing except "Extensive rewrites"
• I can only pick one melodrama option instead of two.

[opal relic]

I just made pull requests for about 10 or 11 errata’d abilities and monsters.

A lot of the errata is already fixed on the site, because abilities with typos and miscalculated potencies were already caught.

I put in the new ones and some re-worded/clarified abilities.

[obtuse marsh]

I'll get a PR up for this later today unless you're already tackling it, Andy.

[versed cargo]

I made a custom ancestry and I have two comments:
• I tried to make a new character and it didn't pull the ancestry I had just made as an option.
• I want to add a Condition immunity but didn't see an option to add one. Short of copying the ancestry with the Condition Immunity i want, i don't see a way to make it work.

[exotic arch]

For #1, you need to add the sourcebook the homebrew is in to the character in the editor

[versed cargo]

Ok, I was selectively blind. Got it!

[obtuse marsh]

This should be updated now (to get the changes you'll have to reselect the class on the hero)

[thorn berry]

huzzah! in time for session tomorrow

[sage vapor]

Not sure if this has been asked apologies in advance, but is it possible to have multiple complications?

[obtuse marsh]

Not directly to my knowledge, most of the current homebrew support appears to be for making new content within the system rather than adjusting the system itself. That said you can get to the same end result fairly easily by adding the complication benefit and drawback as new features with Customize menu for the hero.

[real timber]

Raw you can have more than one complication often by gaining them later, so could we get that added as a feature? (Or is there somewhere better to add feature requests)

[obtuse marsh]

For clarity, while I offer some help to the development Forge Steel I have no direct say in the process. Presumably here or GitHub would both be good places for feature requests.

Out of curiosity though, do you have a page number handy for that RAW?

[real timber]

Well the complications doesn’t say anything RAW to my understanding that you can only have 1, and James has mentioned several times that they can be introduced throughout the campaign

Further as an example, there’s a secret complication you can get in the Monsters book on page 349

Though on further reading it appears to have been rewritten?

But yeah, there’s nothing RAW saying you can’t have more than 1 complication

[obtuse marsh]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think its a bad idea or anything. Though by RAW it is 0 or 1 complication, optionally selected at character creation, page 233 of Heroes.

[real timber]

I don’t see that on that page? (Just read it through) could you point it out to me? Feel free to DM me lol since this is beyond the scope of Forge Steel

But yeah, I don’t think limiting options in a character sheet like Forge Steel is a great idea. Always the most frustrating thing with options in other builders for 5e etc

If you indeed believe it’s not RAW to have more than 1, perhaps the option to add more could be under a homebrew tab or something directly, so it’s clear to new players, but you also have the option to add more later

[obtuse marsh]

100% of the language on that page is singular when regarding the selection of a complication. It would be redundant therefore to say anything about taking two complications. Further this matches the language used on page 69 regarding the singular selection of a Class. Though probably we've explored this topic as far as needed for the purposes of Forge Steel, given that the interest is present either way for Andy to consider (or others to make a PR for Andy to consider).

[real timber]

Nw, happy to agree to disagree

I do hope it’s added at some point because I plan on giving a player a new complication (and learning that it won’t work in her Forge Steel character is a bit sad lol)

[bitter pagoda]

Hey folks not sure if this has been brought up but the EV value is incorrect despite the minion number being correct for goblin minions

[mellow echo]

The intent, and actual thing written on the page, is definetely that your character can have 0 or 1 complication and no more

Though I also expect that if someone asked James about it on a Livestream his answer would be along the lines of "if everyone involved is cool with it, I don't see why not"

[south rose]

play draw steel like hades and draw from a deck of complications after each encounter

[urban hollow]

Goblins haven't been updated yet - updating all the monsters is a long process!

[upper cypress]

Bug report: Distance is not being calculated automatically, my guess is the entry format is incorrect.

[urban hollow]

What do you think the correct distance should be here?

[upper cypress]

I meant it's not automatically adding reason to the total value.

Reason should be written like R I think.

[urban hollow]

Fixed!

[upper cypress]

Still it's not auto calculating. 😢

[urban hollow]

You'll have to deselect and reselect your class to pick up the changes.

[upper cypress]

I did

This is from the class page.

[urban hollow]

OK, there's something more to do here. I'll sort it out.

[upper cypress]

Also wanted to ask if there are any plans of adding a monster level tweaker in forge steel. Something that can change the level of the monster with a button.

[urban hollow]

Yes, there are plans.

[solar folio]

Hey, is there a chance we could get the ability to put in custom text for kit weapons and armor? i was recently importing some of renee's gun kits as homebrew, and had to leave an extra line in the description to specify weapon.

[urban hollow]

I’ll look into this.

[languid grotto]

I built a level 5 earth elementalist, but it seems I do not get the benefit from Font of Essence at level 4:

It seems The Mountain Does Not Move isn't applied either:

[urban hollow]

As a general rule, anything that appears in your Features list isn’t included in calculations elsewhere

[mellow echo]

is there a reason why we can't change the names of "custom features"?

for example with the culture, it is sort of expected that when you are using a bespoke creature, you actually assign which group that is about (given you get an edge in things related to them), and if we are making new titles we can't change their name out of "Custom Title" (though maybe that's a bug? I found 2 text boxes in there but they don't see to be editable)

[mortal mulch]

I'm having trouble getting a second level subclass "choose one 5HR ability" for a custom class to show up on the character sheet. Anyone have any ideas why this might be happening?

[urban hollow]

Does it not show up when it should? Might be that you added that to the class after adding the class to the hero.

[mortal mulch]

That's right, it should appear with my other main abilities but does not. However, I'm pretty sure that it's not a order of operations thing because I've made a few new characters with the class, all with the same issue.

[worthy halo]

Mr Andy!

I found an out of date / incorrect power statement.

I Work Better Alone.

Should be this (See attached) - gains a surge.

The text currently reads:

Makes a big difference for a Shadow, because they gain extra Insight resource

I just realized why the Shadow in my game was always burning a Hero token to obtain surges.

[storm forge]

Is this from an old character? Try unselecting and reselecting the class. I see the correct version in Forge Steel

[worthy halo]

Ah the character must be out of date !

interesting

[real timber]

It was only updated in the past 2 days

[gritty blaze]

Hello. the range for the 'friend catapult' perk is listed as 0, when choosing perks, likely because the Might score has not yet been determined. this wording might need a tweak at this stage.

[upper cypress]

You can click on the blue lighting icon on the top right and it will show you the original language for the ability.

[lyric quarry]

Not sure if someone's mentioned this already, but I think the PDF export got borked, it's running everything together with no bullet points or new line spacing. I know at least on the 10th it was formatting the PDF just fine

[urban hollow]

Mea culpa. I was trying to be too clever. Fixed now.

[obtuse marsh]

Bespoke cultures can now be named in the Hero Builder (during creation or the Edit button from an existing hero).

Also incase anyone is interested homebrewing custom item imbuements is a little easier now. Imbuements have been added as a Library data type rather than being attached to individual items as customizations. Additionally the crafting requirements have been added for each. They are still gained by heroes in much the same way from the Inventory screen.

[lyric quarry]

I just noticed, the PDF export is A4. Unfortunately, my paper is letter sized, now I don't have a problem with that, it's easily accounted for in print settings, but I noticed because my print was cut off. Was wondering if it might be possible to indicate that the export is A4 size? So that people don't accidentally waste paper when printing if they didn't know

[obtuse marsh]

Andy, would I be stepping on your toes if I worked on logic to refresh a hero with new sourcebook changes?

[urban hollow]

Yes good idea

[urban hollow]

I’ve got something in the works for that

[obtuse marsh]

[glances nervously at the Google Drive API]
Whelp. Guess I'm out of excuses.

[urban hollow]

Yes, that would be handy

[woeful shore]

Hello! I think there's an issue with exporting to a PDF. I was able to do it for characters without a kit, but for the others I had to remove the kit before I could.

Actually, upon second look it could be specifically the raider kit as thats what both of these players picked.

[digital timber]

interesting, the PDS exporter does fail when I try to export a character with that Kit - but the character it fails on (0x200e, the left-to-right mark) doesn't seem to be in the kit data anywhere I can see?