AuroraOS

[primal summit]

-# BTW: I've decided to port mlibc.

@woven blaze , @round cape , @cold jasper , @queen ridge , @fair kelp , @steep breach. Feel free to cast your vote when you have time ^.

-# maybe mass pinging ppl might not be a good idea, ohh well.... Sorry mods :D

[fair kelp]

didn't know doing stuffs in wayland is that hard

[primal summit]

Well, if I'm doin wayland I'll be making my own wayland compositor.

[fair kelp]

I wonder why wayland is attracting more people (yeah it has some good security they say)

[primal summit]

It's faster, it's more secure.

[fair kelp]

thats definitely not an easy task if you are goinh with wayland

[primal summit]

I've been hella inspired by astral tbh.

[primal summit]

yea

prob not going w that even if it wins

🙏

[fair kelp]

wise decision

[primal summit]

Well xorg clearly won.

Time to spend a lot of time getting it ported, but it's worth it.

[woven blaze]

man i am NOT rewriting my graphics lib in some new aaaa lib

let me use opengl

[primal summit]

OpenGL takes years to port.

The best I can give ya is xorg

I've decided to make my own display server, which will be xorg compatible.

[primal summit]

For now Ill just run a tty console

[primal summit]

@round cape does skiftos have any network stack? If so where is it? I can't find it.

Need inspiration for my own.

[round cape]

There is not

[primal summit]

I'll check if Astral has one.

[primal summit]

First tty terminal

[little briar]

very cool

[primal summit]

no meaningful progress made today

[woven blaze]

its fine

you make too much progress for a normal program anyways (in a good way)

[woven blaze]

@primal summit how is userspace

ROSc is liek 45% done

and i made sure

to use just the c std lib

and libc

[primal summit]

Okay.

Like not nearly done but it's something atleast

I think I'm pausing development this weekend

[woven blaze]

go ahead

[primal summit]

Implemented some syscalls today.

open()

close()

write()

read()

exit()

Implementing exec to when I'm home later today.

[woven blaze]

some as in, the core ones

lol

cool tho nice work

[primal summit]

Well tbh that's prob the only ones I'll impl.

Maybe a gettime one.

[woven blaze]

what

you should implemt all syscalls

like

pure binary relias on it

[primal summit]

What do I need more lol?

[primal summit]

Naa

F that binary.

[woven blaze]

yea, but compiler support is like good right

[woven blaze]

:ahh:

[primal summit]

I'll impl my own stdlib.

[woven blaze]

:ahhh:

[primal summit]

Use the stdlib.

Not syscalls

[woven blaze]

i dont want to rewrite the c++ std lib

eh fine

id port it

[primal summit]

Well

Idk.

Like if I impl most syscalls.

You still wouldn't be able to use

It

Cuz all syscall nums are different.

[woven blaze]

you can tell the compiler to change that

[primal summit]

Like how many syscalls do you need 🙏

These are the ones ill impl:

• exit (done)
• read (done)
• write (done)
• open (done)
• close (done)
• exec - prob fork too
• wait
• mmap - maybe brk
• getpid

@woven blaze like how much do you need tbh

[woven blaze]

well i dont do rawsyscalls but the compiler does

for even the simplist things

and raw code

syscalls are used

[primal summit]

Well yea..

I'll prob port GCC sometime soon.

[primal summit]

Implemented more syscalls.

Messed around with tty.

Still having issues with an GPF when calling a syscall.

Also added mutexes around the OS.

Ehmm:

It did not work to create two init procs

:D

[woven blaze]

hell ya

when your registors segfault

:golden:

[primal summit]

Hey. I'll be pushing to the kernel soon. Feel free to add ros to the "ports" directory.

This directory will be used for everything i port.

[primal summit]

Fixed some more issues... But it's really weird tbh.

[woven blaze]

ok

id will

once i fix ros c

[primal summit]

Syscalls work:

(if you're on a good run)

-# tbh my kernels race conditions are crazy

[primal summit]

So ye i found out why my kernel was so unstable

my interrupt handling is scuffed asf

it corrupts stack

so ye i gotta fix that tmrw

today im too tired to do shit

[primal summit]

yaaa

we're finally in userspace.

bye bye kernelspace.

[woven blaze]

this is why we use c++

and use atomic

it solves like 15 types of ub

[woven blaze]

💀 how do you even do that

[woven blaze]

can i run ROS now?

[primal summit]

Depends on what Ros is.

[primal summit]

Like it could prob be ran

I'm porting mlibc rn.

[woven blaze]

the langugae i was porting / will port to your os

its like 75 with the c ver

c is so hard to use

[primal summit]

More like what is it an compiler, like static program that reads an file and produces a new one.

[woven blaze]

its a interprter

[woven blaze]

amazing

[primal summit]

Okay, so does it use the libcxx to run code? And is it pthread dependent

[woven blaze]

i does not need no threads, it just needs like basic cmds like memcopy, all of string.h printf, and scanf

ROS is a minamal language

its ment to give simplicity

[primal summit]

Well ye

mlibc should cover it.

[woven blaze]

but i held off devlopent

for me porting wozmon to my 6502

[primal summit]

What's is wozmon

[woven blaze]

its like a very very very very small program (256 bytes) made by wozmon found in all apple-1 computers

it was so small

as the apple-1 only had 256 bytes of ROM

lol

and now i have 256 bytes of ROM

[primal summit]

Hmm 256 bytes of ram ain't much

[woven blaze]

and my emulator

[woven blaze]

ROM

not even RAM

[primal summit]

I think AuroraOS need 50 or sum to run properly.

[primal summit]

Ahhh

[woven blaze]

RAM was just FFF big

[woven blaze]

bytes?

or GB?

[primal summit]

Bytes lol

[woven blaze]

you cant run a os in 50 bytes

i seen your ASM

its like amd

[primal summit]

U insane, only windows is that poorly written to need that much

[woven blaze]

and it > 200 lines

that is >>>>>> 50 bytes

[primal summit]

Hmm my ramdisk is 30 bytes.

20 bytes for kernel

[woven blaze]

look

[primal summit]

I tested it with 50 bytes before

[woven blaze]

ramdisk is not needed

so thats shot out of the question

[woven blaze]

bios? or OS?

or SYSCALL handler?

if bios then prb possible

if syscall handler or OS

not possible

[primal summit]

Just test building AuroraOS.

[woven blaze]

i did

it runs fine

but its more thena 50 bytes

[primal summit]

Ye, run it with 50 bytes and see what happens

[primal summit]

Rn it runs at 1 gb which is not needed at all tbh

[woven blaze]

ramdisk

is not the question

look at your asm bootloder

for amd

its > 200 lines

[primal summit]

What?

[woven blaze]

in like

[primal summit]

I don't have an ASM bootloader...

I use Limine

[primal summit]

I don't support AMD at all

[woven blaze]

kernal/arch/x86_64/interrupts_asm.s

sry i ment intrurppt handler

[primal summit]

You call that an bootloader

[woven blaze]

eh i forgot

i havent opend it for some time

leaving that

[primal summit]

Well, that interrupt handler is scuffed asf

[woven blaze]

that alone takes more than 50 bytes of ram in memory

[primal summit]

Just test running it with 50 bytes.

I wanna see what happens

[woven blaze]

of ram?

[woven blaze]

its not gona run

[primal summit]

Yes.

[primal summit]

Well, ig it might panic at my fs.

If fs dont got enough memory it will panic

[primal summit]

Test it anyways.

I'm not at home rn so I can't.

[woven blaze]

i will but limie it self takes 400kb of ram

i think

i read its docs

[woven blaze]

fs aint even gona load

[primal summit]

Ohh

[woven blaze]

while its very less

[primal summit]

I meant mb

Not byte.

[woven blaze]

its much more 50bytes

[woven blaze]

ahhhh thats more like it

[primal summit]

No os can run at just 50 bytes.

[woven blaze]

yea it could run in 50mb

[woven blaze]

yea that is why i was a bit stubburn

you just cant

[primal summit]

I think the minimum I tested is like 30 mb for it all.

[primal summit]

Yall big news

total syscall count is now 10

[woven blaze]

out of 255!

[primal summit]

what am i gonna have 255 syscalls for

[woven blaze]

well all os's have 255 syscalls

for all opreatiosn

[primal summit]

What... Windows has 2000, linux has 300.

[woven blaze]

tf

since when was it that much

linux had like 255 only

i remeber

[primal summit]

I don't think any hobby os has that many syscall.

Lemme check

[woven blaze]

ok ig

[primal summit]

Astral might

[woven blaze]

could be

[primal summit]

This aint 200 but maybe 100 https://github.com/managarm/mlibc/blob/master/sysdeps/astral/generic/generic.cpp

[woven blaze]

oh cool

[primal summit]

tbh you should prob ask if he wants ros

Join the osdev server and check

[woven blaze]

he does'nt

[woven blaze]

this one right
https://discord.com/channels/331718482485837825/1082014654307512321

[primal summit]

No

thats skiftos

I mean astral

[woven blaze]

then

[primal summit]

click on my tag

[woven blaze]

where

[primal summit]

and join that server

it has 100s of OS's.

[woven blaze]

eh, id do it lator

tysm tho

and gl

[primal summit]

thanks

Updated my ps2 driver

so it might not suck now

[primal summit]

Fixed race conditions:

[primal summit]

@woven blaze BTW: Tested it with low memory, it runs fine at 20 mb.

It struggles at 10

[twin hollow]

@primal summityou shouldve recreated the temple honestly

[primal summit]

What

[primal summit]

Finally found out why my kbd drivers weren't detecting anything.

I hadn't made a check if file == device_file: call read dev instead lol

Anyways ofc I got a pf.

Fixing that tmrw

[primal summit]

Ye well I fixed the PF which was just my trash scheduler being stupid.

Now I get a gpf as soon as handling an interrupt

I'll fix that tmrw

Anyways gn I'm going to bed

[tight totem]

hey, keep going!

you got this

[timid dirge]

irq0?

i like this project

[primal summit]

I will.

[primal summit]

❤️

[primal summit]

any interrupt, it only occurs when you're in the idle thread so somethings messed up with it

[primal summit]

Might just forget about the idle thread for now

like if you use the computer all the time it works :D

[primal summit]

Im so close building mlibc

also reworking some stuff.

[timid dirge]

nice

[timid dirge]

do you have a repository?

[primal summit]

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev

[primal summit]

Yes.

[timid dirge]

cool.

would you port mlibc?

[primal summit]

yes, i've already ported most stuff

Just need to make my toolchain work

[timid dirge]

gcc?

[primal summit]

Yes.

[timid dirge]

have a shell?

yet?

[primal summit]

Not your host GCC though

[primal summit]

kind of

[timid dirge]

bash/sh/zsh ?

or your own?

[primal summit]

tty rn

When finally done with mlibc ill port bash.

[timid dirge]

all the best

pretty mature enough

[primal summit]

Status update: Ported mlibc

Time to start porting stuff ig

Also I need to clean up my repo tbh

[primal summit]

I think i'll start cleaning up and moving stuff to different repos.

[timid dirge]

nice

[primal summit]

Btw @woven blaze so I decided to port mlibc so u basically got the whole C and C++ stdlib

[severe quail]

@primal summit Have you made the OS fetch motherboard info etc, and structure them into SMBIOS/DMI information?

[primal summit]

No.

Tbh all i need is just provided by limine

[timid dirge]

bios information includes that all data anyway

well limine make it easier to access

[primal summit]

yea

first try off porting flanterm

didnt go that well.

[timid dirge]

not in first try

[timid dirge]

what shell would you add?

[primal summit]

Bash.

As soon as i get mlibc running viably I would port bash.

Rn Im running into one weird toolchain error.

I'm really tired of this toolchain tbh

[timid dirge]

watcom?

-# or more specifically GCC as its one annoying toolchain

[primal summit]

It wont detect and build libgcc.

It just returns.

Everything else works fine though.

[timid dirge]

with error message or without?

[primal summit]

It dosen't build the makefile, which makes it just return -1.

Why it dosen't build the makefile I have no idea.

[timid dirge]

did you trace it? like from where that makefile is being built

[primal summit]

Got flanterm to work

:D

it was just me passing sizeof instead of strlen when calling tty_puts 🙏

[primal summit]

we always love GPF's

:D

[severe quail]

@primal summit Does your OS only support Ring 0 for now? Or have you actually implement userland etc?

[primal summit]

It's in userspace.

Im having toolchain issues when building mlibc

else everythings fine

[severe quail]

oo nice

[severe quail]

what is mlibc again?

[primal summit]

https://github.com/managarm/mlibc

Portable libc

my biggest pain is building the toolchain

for the god of me it wont build libgcc

🙏

Moral of the story, don't be stupid like me

[severe quail]

Yea I just searched for it

Well I wish you good luck with your build

[primal summit]

Thanks.

Are you also building an OS?

[severe quail]

Nah, I'm currently building an SMBIOS parsing library in Pure C

[primal summit]

Oooo

Sounds good.

[severe quail]

Only supports linux through sysfs, but will extend to /dev/mem support, windows mac BSD support etc

[primal summit]

Does it rely on libc?

[severe quail]

I think so, let me check

I don't really know but I think that it doesn't

it uses universal standard C functions

nvm

i got it wrong

yes it does

depend

I got it all mixed up

So yea it does depend on libc

because it uses malloc, free, calloc, memcpy etc

[primal summit]

Ye

[severe quail]

If you can provide 2 files, the smbios entry point and the actual DMI data, then it will work i guess

[primal summit]

Well then its an userspace thing

[severe quail]

yea

Who knows what might happen in the future

I might even make it independent

[primal summit]

Yea, well my recommendation would be to instead of including the std headers let the user define their own stuff

Like #define SMBIOS_memcpy memcpy

[severe quail]

yea that is a good idea

but I really need to get the base of the SMBIOS parser up, like its really fragile right now

I need to work on it some more, perfect most of the functionality then I'll go see

[severe quail]

If you don't mind can you run my test.c with the library to help with testing?
I only have like 2 devices I can test on, all of them are SMBIOS 2.x nothing is 3 and up

Or provide me with the files in DMI smbios_entry_point in sysfs, but check them first, they might contain sensitive information like your PCs UUID etc

[timid dirge]

lol gpf

[primal summit]

Use qemu

[primal summit]

🙏 yea

hate it

cuz its a random GPF

Idk why

[primal summit]

yea well if you ever would want it to be used in a kernel, it has to be REALLLY stable.

[woven blaze]

fr?

and libc and things are dynamicaly linked?

plz say yes

[primal summit]

Statically.

[woven blaze]

leave that id build it againt the repo

[primal summit]

Dynamic is sooo much harder to make

[primal summit]

I just have one issue left before it's done

it's gcc not wanting to build libgcc for some reason.

[woven blaze]

we get these

@primal summit we dont get these codeberg is down

[primal summit]

What?

ohh no codeberg is dead

[woven blaze]

3:21:12

this time stamp

ie

9 MINS AGO

like bru

i was about to re make the repo

just so i was uptodate

and bru

[primal summit]

https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

[woven blaze]

ik

[woven blaze]

are you frn

@primal summit do you a temp ssh key i can use to clone it

[primal summit]

nope sorry.

I dont use ssh at all.

[woven blaze]

man

[woven blaze]

well its basicly every system

[primal summit]

ye

well i dont interact with it

[woven blaze]

its a usefull thing, but learn what you want

wait @primal summit do you have a local copy

if yes just copy that folder

and un commit everything

and zip it

maybe i can use that

[primal summit]

I could

The thing is that im not an home rn

[woven blaze]

bru

oh well

i tried

id do it next week as this week is packed for me

but ROS is gona come one way or the other

[severe quail]

@primal summit Is it okay if I make 1 function for decoding CPU characteristcs thread unsafe?

I lowkey have no other better option

[primal summit]

Tbh yea.

Just mark it as unsafe.

[severe quail]

alright

I could switch to C11 and use thread_local, but I want to keep C99

[primal summit]

Fixed more bugs

bug haven rn

ima work a lot on the final days before christmas

Almost my birthday to so might take a pause until then

[primal summit]

vento helped me to fix the GPF

[primal summit]

well we found out why it occured but where unable to fix it

[severe quail]

happy early or late birthday, idk

[primal summit]

So im rewriting most of the kernel structure

and maybe porting it to riscv

Happy holidays everyone :D

[timid dirge]

nice

[primal summit]

also rewriting my hopeless fs

[primal summit]

Almost a new year, wonder what will happen next year.

[primal summit]

Successfully built mlibc

[young bane]

oh boy you gonna write a xorg alternative for your os

[primal summit]

?

[young bane]

like you wanna make your os a gui right?

[primal summit]

Yes I'll prob use xorg for now

[woven blaze]

i am back

from the slumber

i cant port or finish ros

as i need to redo all the excetion models (found a FATAL FATAL bug)

[woven blaze]

@primal summit hows it going?

[woven blaze]

happy post new year!!!!

[primal summit]

Pretty okay.

Filesystem issues.

[woven blaze]

sry i could not come and help bug test this

[primal summit]

BTW I ported mlibc

[woven blaze]

i had my own set of problems

with ros and my life

[primal summit]

Ahh yea np.

[woven blaze]

(found a fatal FATAL bug)

like random code execution fatal

@primal summit 💀

[primal summit]

💀

[woven blaze]

how does the ros interpreter lead to this

well

its kida complicated

but

if you call a c++ embedded function ummm and a ROS excepetion triggers

what ever code is in the error string kida overwrites the exception handler

💀

and ROS exceptions can be triggered by returns from any function

[primal summit]

🙏

Welp I'm unsure how ima move forwards with AuroraOS

[woven blaze]

but i fixed the bug

i think

[primal summit]

I still want to keep ROS in some way but it's tempting to go with bash to some degree.

[woven blaze]

i still need to get rid of exceptions

[woven blaze]

yea

[primal summit]

Ima just keep them both.

[woven blaze]

yea

[primal summit]

You can choose which one you want to use.

[woven blaze]

yepe

well i have other shit to do so i cant start working untill like next NEXT month

[primal summit]

ehh its fine.

[woven blaze]

god help me 😭

[primal summit]

its prob going to be until summer before i get bash and xorg running on AuroraOS

ima try and port AuroraOS to different architectures too.

[young bane]

xlibre is just a fork xorg to make it better and remove wayland bloat

[primal summit]

Hmm.

What is Wayland bloat in this matter?

[young bane]

xwayland stuff just in a xorg does not make sense i mean the only "real one" who was working on xorg just got banned

xorg just work on xwayland a little about xorg bc "xorg is dead you should not use" but no old hardware and people are using x11 bc they like it

xlibre just want to make X go foward not backward

that why for long trem i think xlibre we be a good option it has a lot of work done to it

[primal summit]

Ohh yea.

[primal summit]

I will look into it.

I feel like if the things you are saying is true that's a better option

[young bane]

i mean imo you should take the decision of skiftos and make your own stuff to be independent not related to some people that do weird stuff sometime

[primal summit]

Well yes, but it's 100 times harder to port anything

[young bane]

well i think you are doing a great job at this project so maybe relay on some contributors

[young bane]

can you give a example?

[primal summit]

A lot off applications require either Xorg or Wayland to run, if I won't rewrite the whole thing. technically I could implement the X protocol but it would be a lot more challenging.

When I reach there I'll evaluate all options.

[young bane]

i mean you are not relaying on "linux apps" well dont you?

[primal summit]

Xorg is not an Linux application

The thing is if I would want to be able to run linux apps on my os.

[young bane]

maybe a something like xwayland but for your os

[young bane]

i mean linux apps and linux app deps (like glfw) use xorg

[primal summit]

I'll consider all options when I reach the point it's relevant. For now I will just focus on getting bash ported.

[young bane]

Ohhhh that niiicee

[primal summit]

Once I fix my FS issues I should hopefully be able to get a basic bash prompt running.

[young bane]

i mean i love the word "indenpendet" in the osdev world people just copy whatever we already hae

[young bane]

good luck man

[primal summit]

Well yes, why? Making something completely new is a lot more challenging and less rewarding than making half of it yourself.

The kernel is still made without anything.

[young bane]

that true

[primal summit]

When you port applications you are just proving that youre kernel is capable enough to handle things.

[young bane]

this for long term i see this project has a lot of potential but do what every os do great the thing is the only open source os is linux but it has shit ton of distro and not a great universal packaging format unlike windows that has only exe

that just a example

[primal summit]

well yes, those concerns are far into the future though.

[primal summit]

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/docs/contributor_introduction.md im actually pretty proud i spent like an hour writing this.

[primal summit]

Fixed all fs issues.

[uncut pelican]

Heyy I want to use your os how can I

[primal summit]

How do you want to use it? Do you want to contribute, or use it as a base for ur own os or wdym

[uncut pelican]

I can't contribute Albert own so much about coding I am beginner I wanted to use it like lineage os or As a launcher in my phone

[primal summit]

Unfortunately the OS will probably not run on your phone as its for now x86_64 only. Its not nearly finished yet too and will just boot you into a bash prompt.

There's neither support for USB, nor any on screen keyboard which might be a problem.

[uncut pelican]

Okay then no problem

[timid dirge]

i love that ppl always make a logo instantly loll

(i do too (i love graphic design))

[primal summit]

ik

well the OS was shit when i made that one

If you ever feel like you would be interested in reading any of the docs and the story of AuroraOS feel free to check this page out: https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/docs

[timid dirge]

ChatGPT!

[primal summit]

?

[timid dirge]

lol just chatgpt mention in the documentation

[primal summit]

yea lol

[timid dirge]

i can actually see this in commit history

[primal summit]

lol

[timid dirge]

interested to see how this goes <3

[primal summit]

fr.

I'm aiming to get bash running before summer.

[timid dirge]

its not POSIX compliant is it?

or rather aim to be

[primal summit]

It's supposed to be posix complaint, but not emulate a full Linux env.

[timid dirge]

exciting hehe

[primal summit]

It really is.

Do you develop any operating system of your own?

[timid dirge]

i havent but my friend keeps begging me to

yk the kind of friend that like gets into random obscure stuff out of nowhere

like reverse engineering (???) for some reaosn

[primal summit]

lool

[primal summit]

you should maybe take a try at it and feel if it's something for you.

All you need is a lot of time on your hands.

[tidal escarp]

btw you have a race condition in your mutexes

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/task/mutex.c

between the time a task adds itself to the mutexes wait queue, and it reschedules, if the lock owner releases the lock it could attempt to wakeup the waiter before it blocks

which would then fail ofc, however the task will then block without being woken for the handoff

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/task/sched.c

see the sched block/unblock implementations too

you might want to take a look at linuxes pv locks for xen and how they prevent this issue (the use of xen_poll_irq solves this issue fundamentally, but the foundation of it is that youd need an underlying flag so you know if the lock waiter got kicked before it blocked)

in my own implementation to tackle this issue i used a fsm to ensure that if a lock waiter gets kicked before it blocks it goes into a normal, schedulable state

[tidal escarp]

https://github.com/spotify/linux/blob/master/arch/x86/xen/spinlock.c#L184

one thing im not a fan of, when it comes to xens pv spinlocks for linux, is that they aren't run state aware and that lock waiters are too eager to block (spinlocks should be expected to have short critical sections, it may be the case with longer waiting chains that a core might block unecessarily as its getting the lock handed to it), and therefore doesnt scale well, you'll see some research has been done on this too https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/2903267.2903271

[woven blaze]

(is peak)

(and easy if you know what your doing)

[primal summit]

Wall of text be like

[primal summit]

I will tackle those issues whenever I get a thread to even run lol

Right now it pagefaults at thread entry.

[tidal escarp]

i see

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/task/sched.c#L76

why not use a generic data structure for all of your dsa

and use a container_of macro or something to get their parent

[primal summit]

Could do that, if you ever feel like you have some time in your hands feel free to send in a PR. My scheduler is old and outdated, also it's shitty asf

[tidal escarp]

for user threads or kernel

[primal summit]

User, kernel works

[tidal escarp]

have u decoded the page fault error code to see why its faulting and what the faulting address is?

[primal summit]

Faulting adress is a userspace address.

Clone it and try on ur machine :D

[tidal escarp]

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/arch/x86_64/paging.c#L126

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/arch/x86_64/include/arch/paging.h#L21

are u marking their pages as present

it seems like ur just marking them as rw

but not present

[gaunt quartz]

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/src/branch/dev/kernel/arch/x86_64/cpu.c#

Also The register dump code works in the sense that it runs, but it’s not actually capturing a real CPU state. Since it’s called like a normal function, most registers have already been changed by the compiler and calling convention. So what gets printed isn’t the state you’d expect from “right now” or from a fault.

[woven blaze]

hey @primal summit can i ask for only one thing when you make the API
dont, DONT make it as complicated as windows.h

i just spent 2hrs debugging a function

that was not running

due to it only allowing for ascii strings (byte sized) and not wstrings (UTF-8 or unicode)

and then i had to read more documentation

becuase the WSTRING COMPATIBAL FUNCTIONS CAN DO OTHER SHIT

3 hrs wasted

for one function

[primal summit]

Lol sure

[woven blaze]

thxs man

[primal summit]

Well yes, tbh I've never used the register dump lol

[primal summit]

also thanks for ur suggestion it will be implemented soon

[gaunt quartz]

i get why lol

[gaunt quartz]

congrats. this is your 1601 message . your project reached a long way tho. good luck in all the great atchivments and the bright feature of this !

[primal summit]

implemented

[primal summit]

Thanks! It has extended far from the raw bootloader vibe coded kernel shell. It's crazy, I hope it reaches further than this. I'll prob get bash running soon.

[woven blaze]

oh yea wicks

is dynamic lib linking

done?

so like

.dlls work

[primal summit]

Nope, it's for the future.

[primal summit]

Will never work I'll use .so

Prob

[woven blaze]

they both are the same thing 😭 just that for linux has a diffrent style of syscalls

[timid dirge]

-# .ko

[primal summit]

exactly.

"has a different style of syscalls"

Anyways once the mlibc demo for shared libraries come out ima implement it

[woven blaze]

so the data format is the same

syscalls are trasferable

but i aint no expert

[primal summit]

what do you even need dlls for?

[woven blaze]

their the window ver of .so

[primal summit]

what do you need it for?

[woven blaze]

nothing, just seeing how they work

[primal summit]

once i get a mlibc demo of it ill impl it

if you feel like youre up for the challenge

as tbh auroraos already has a great infrastructure

PR's are always welcome :D

[woven blaze]

no offence the last time i viewed the code half of the code errored for implicit casts

is it better?

[primal summit]

Run it.

[primal summit]

When was last time you ran it lol?

[woven blaze]

like ~2 month ago

i hope its better

[primal summit]

it is better

[woven blaze]

ok id see

[primal summit]

Try cloning it again

See if its better

[woven blaze]

i am free rn

url?

[primal summit]

git clone https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/ -b dev

[woven blaze]

which branch is for adding apps and things

[primal summit]

wdym w that

[woven blaze]

the most disassmbled branch

[primal summit]

thats updated or not updated?

just clone dev and then fork repo

if you want to experiment

btw ros needs to be added under ports

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/ports

[gaunt quartz]

i might try this on real hardware when im empty

aurora runs from live storage right ?. or is it installation based. i think it runs from live storage

[primal summit]

anyways auroraos will unfortunately be put down on low maintaining schedule

in favor of snowix

https://codeberg.org/snowix Snowix will be AuroraOS but written in it's own transpiled lang called snow.

[woven blaze]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY WORKKKKKKKKKKKK
(the ros port was 30% done)

[woven blaze]

peak

i also have a language test so

no ros for today and tmr

[primal summit]

it still is maintained.

just not as much

once i finish snowix I'll drop AuroraOS completely

But until then I'll be maintaining and pushing to AuroraOS.

[woven blaze]

so my work is still wasted

:ahh:

but eh

new thing! to port ros to !

this time IK WHAT I AM DOING!

and you do tooo

also

why not just

re do auraos

like v2

i dont like making "old name" or "old software" or see somt happen like that, but this is MY opinion dont cancel me / joke

[primal summit]

snowix will do the same shit as AuroraOS

nothing is lost lol

[woven blaze]

oh its a v2 under a diffrent name?

peka

i can still procastinate then

yepe

[primal summit]

yes.

[woven blaze]

peak

less porting

[primal summit]

main difference is that it will be written in my own programming lang.

[woven blaze]

top 10 things that i find hard to belive, how the hell did you make your own programing language?

did i miss somt?

also

[primal summit]

How the hell did I do it? I have no idea I'm still doin it

It's a transpiled language.

So it compiles to C.

[woven blaze]

oh ok, then, fine, i thought you made a real compiled langaueg

[primal summit]

No one does that.

I have support for both llvm and C.

I could technically just add a backend for real compilation but it's a lot of work for nothing.

I get worse performance, higher complexity, more to maintain for no reason.

[woven blaze]

well not well yes but no, as llvm exists

[woven blaze]

oh cool

peak

[woven blaze]

:3

[primal summit]

You are from now on banned from speaking in this thread. Please don't interact with me or any of the project's I've created. Any pull requests or discussions from you will be closed.

The ROS port will be resolved as denied.

[woven blaze]

bro fr got angry after all his arguments failed, for anyone wondering, his argument was
Python is faster than Lua and luau
Python is bad as it uses tabs and has no braces
Lua, Luau are bad as Roblox has them (nothing to do with the language) and has no braces and uses end??
as well as
pygame (Python) is faster than love2d (Lua) (both are 2d rendereing engines)
pygame contains a physics engine (does not! its compatibal with Box2d thats about it)

This will be my final message, I hope i dont add ROS to this project, whose creator does not know why there are more than one languages (each has a different purpose FOR a different thing of work if that was not the case, we all be useing c)

[primal summit]

Lol.

Someone's unable to read.

[primal summit]

From my side of the perspective this is what I actually communicated.
I prefer C and C++ over both Python and Luau.

Python is bad cuz:

• I hate identation
• It has no brackets.

Lua is bad cuz:

• Many confusing operators.
• 1 based indexing.
• : vs .

At the start of the conversation I got missinformed that Pygame was faster, which it obviously weren't, same with the other Pygame stuff.

The one who's angry is sadly meet a back, funnily enough. Anyways he banned for me saying "shit". Would not recommend joining his server.
I do know why there's multiple languages, I also know that I don't like some of those languages.

His arguments were around, you can go into Luau's source code and change it to be 0 based indexed.
I love indentation.
Luau is miles faster and better than Python in every aspect.

Snow starting to get better.

Need to fix function parameters though.

[tidal escarp]

Isn’t a good look if you take technical debates personally

Denying someone’s PR’s because they don’t share the same opinions as you is wild

[primal summit]

Unfortunately not a technical argument and opinions.

[primal summit]

Instead missuse of power and unjustified threatening.

[tidal escarp]

Lmfao

[primal summit]

There's a whole back story.

[tidal escarp]

First mistake is getting into that situation in the first place

[primal summit]

Won't be joining any small programming servers in a while.

It all occurred in his "programming server".

Anyways less about someone being an idiot and more about development.

[primal summit]

Yea, kind of my fault for even starting the argument tbh.

[primal summit]

Time to revive this thread

Anyways I fixed all PF's related to userspace entering, now it PFs on an interrupt though 😭

Also fixed lots of bugs in my lang and added extern ASM support

[primal summit]

Fixed.

[primal summit]

If y'all want to follow my progress head over to the os-dev server for more updates.

Anyways attempt one at making bash run.

Got a pf on entry.

Fun :D

[primal summit]

Added (half proper) dynamic linking

[primal summit]

Almost done with bash port.

[primal summit]

Just need to iron out some of the errors related to my cross compiler.

[primal summit]

Implementing a lot of syscalls.

Just stubbing a few too

[primal summit]

bash is getting closer:

[primal summit]

bash port is semi working

[primal summit]

Porting uacpi

[primal summit]

Ported uacpi, fixing more bash stuff.

Now gonna do some coreutils ports and other stuff.

After that maybe have some fun porting random shit.

Ima have to port fastfetch of neofetch though.

And some kind of package manager.

[primal summit]

Forgot to update this

So what i did includes:

• Add backspace support in bash (better ioctl impl)
• Added attributes in my fs.
• Backend support for HPET.
• Moved build system from make to meson.
• Started to use jinx.

[worn bay]

🔥

[primal summit]

more work done

ported stuff

and more backend work

mostly in my fs

coreutils ported

so yes

im not dead

(yet)

If you want daily updates on AuroraOS head over to the osdev discord server and find my project thread.

[minor marten]

[primal summit]

ramdisk now uses compression by gzip and new port gzip

[fresh oyster]

👀

[worn bay]

thats so sick

[primal summit]

❤️

[primal summit]

AuroraOS can now self-compile assembly files and then run them

[amber zodiac]

when will it be able to bootstrap and compile itself

[primal summit]

porting gcc right now