skiftOS - A modern operating system

[modest heath]

Also you have a great looking os

[gilded lintel]

Both are important IMO

[gilded lintel]

thanks ! :)

[modest heath]

You need room for the cpu so the cpu can pass information to other devices and the gpu will render and will be tortured to render the gui

My first gpu driver is intel HD (ironlake from 2010) its very simple and lots of documentation for it

If you want i can give you documentation

[modest heath]

Np

[gilded lintel]

Sure, feel free to send me the documentation. Is your driver open source? I'd be curious to take a look at the code for reference

[modest heath]

My os is closed source but i post my implementations for something

But i will send the pdf i read from

#1308146562408644620 i am doing openCL implementation so if you wanna grab gpu stuff

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel

[gilded lintel]

Thanks

[modest heath]

i am looking to implement amd's dedicated gpu drivers

so when i get documentation i will send it

[neat lodge]

I don't think there are any official public docs for the newer amd gpus other than for the shader isa's

[modest heath]

Dont worry nothing is impossible

If i am persistent enough i will find it

And we arent looking for official

And linux supports it and its open source

What more to say

[modest heath]

https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.12/source/drivers/gpu/drm

Linuxes implementation

[modest heath]

No one said you cant take a look how its done

Just follow the license

What line

I need to see it

They may know what are they doing

Or they may not know

[storm lotus]

[modest heath]

Js support soon?

[gilded lintel]

Feel free to contribute

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel what you use to design the os

[gilded lintel]

What do you mean ?

[modest heath]

how do you design the gui

like do you plan it somewhere

or just start coding it

[gilded lintel]

Either I start coding it right aways or sometime I draft some stuff in figma

[modest heath]

do you learn design somewhere or how you get ideas

cuz my designing is shit

[gilded lintel]

I just been doing it for a long time and getting better with time

Image support !

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel Also hows the gpu stack

[gilded lintel]

I have not started yet, this weekend I'm coaching at a hackathon

[modest heath]

Nice

[modest heath]

Also

Whats with the pic

[inland willow]

An example i presume?

[modest heath]

Yes but an interesting choice

[gilded lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCdwm2vo09I

[gilded lintel]

Current progress on bootstrap 5 support. Chrome / Vaev

[modest heath]

Why are buttons different

[gilded lintel]

We are missing inline block

[modest heath]

Idk what that even is but ok

[gilded lintel]

The display property is weird in CSS, because it's miss named, it's not about how something is displayed but about what formating structure/aka css box are generated, how they interact with each other, and which formating context they introduce

Also inline-block is the legacy name, the real value is inline flow-root where inline means that the box is part of the "line of text" and flow-root mean that the box introduce a new "normal flow" aka "block Formating Context"

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel how you have rights for advanced role

[gilded lintel]

What do you mean ?

[modest heath]

advanced role

[gilded lintel]

The admin just gave it to me

[modest heath]

for having an advanced project?

or for helping alot

[gilded lintel]

I think it's an advanced project, I don't engage that much with the rest of the community

[modest heath]

i also got an advanced project but no rights

[untold sinew]

We evaluate people based on their work, their contributions here, and their engagement here

We can take a look at you if you send us your stuff

[modest heath]

Yea but i dont engage often here

Idk if thats a problem

[untold sinew]

well if you aren't engaging here we don't really have much to go on

[modest heath]

I dont really care if i get the role i just wanted to know how do people get it

[little dirge]

I just wanted to take the opportunity to tell you that I admire your dedication, @gilded lintel.

[modest heath]

Yea i got to say the same @gilded lintel

How long have you been working on the os

[gilded lintel]

I have been working on the current iteration for 2years

[modest heath]

Nice but you should focus more on the features of the os and not the looks

Like more devices supported so it can work on real hardware

[gilded lintel]

Feel free to contribute

[modest heath]

Gh?

[gilded lintel]

https://github.com/skift-org/skift

[modest heath]

Who cares about ARM

x86_64 only right

I said about adding more drivers

For mainstream devices

Nice

I dont know what drivers are there but most important ones are sata, nvme, usb, ahci for disks, for sound is any realteks audio driver

And we got ps2 and usb

The driver where you have tons of choices is a gpu driver

Ps2 and ahci or nvme is most important

[neat lodge]

• usb if you want input on desktops

legacy usb ps2 emulation isn't really a thing anymore

[modest heath]

You got a legendary motherboard if it has legacy emulation

[gilded lintel]

To be honest, my priority is on what puts food on the table for me and my family. I'm being paid to develop SkiftOS's browser and core framework, so this is where I’m putting most of my time and energy. I would love to have better support for hardware; I just don't have the time or energy.

[modest heath]

getting paid?

GG

[gilded lintel]

Yes the browser engine is used in this

https://github.com/odoo/paper-muncher

[leaden field]

What's this 😱

[modest heath]

source

[gilded lintel]

Yeah, code 😅

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel do you support exe files

Or what executables you support

[gilded lintel]

elf

[modest heath]

Nice

Is there multicore

Or multi threading

Btw congrats on keeping your code clean and readable

Cuz i can understand it better than what i write

[pallid oar]

Have you written libc++

[modest heath]

Libc / libc++ is a must

[gilded lintel]

No multicore but the code should be multicore safe, but there is multithreading :)

[modest heath]

Nice :)

[gilded lintel]

I have a bare-minimum version of libstdc++ for language features that require definitions from the standard library

https://github.com/cute-engineering/ce-stdcpp/tree/main/src/ce-stdcpp

[pallid oar]

Cool

[modest heath]

Nice

Is there anti aliasing

[gilded lintel]

Yeah there is sub-pixel AA for text and normal anti-aliasing for everything else

[modest heath]

What normal anti aliasing

The easiest one is to blur the edges

[gilded lintel]

Supersampling is the easiest

[gilded lintel]

per-pixel

[gilded lintel]

When rendering 2D on the CPU, it's easy to compute the actual coverage of the shape on the pixel and have the exact alpha value.

[modest heath]

Oh yea

2D

I almost said about 3D

[leaden field]

Which Language did you use

[gilded lintel]

C++

[modest heath]

When hideo-apps

[gilded lintel]

wdym

[modest heath]

hideo-apps : Install, Update, and Manage application

[gilded lintel]

Again, feel free to contribute. I don't tolerate "when posting"

[modest heath]

It was a joke

[gilded lintel]

I know

[modest heath]

Yea

Any progress on the os?

[modest heath]

Did anyone give me a reaction here or i am imagining things

[gilded lintel]

Not much, I mostly played liftoff this weekend

[modest heath]

👍

[leaden field]

Yk what I'm also learning C++ I'm a begginer 😅😅

[modest heath]

Good luck

[modest heath]

fr

[leaden field]

😭😭

[leaden field]

Thanks 🫡

[leaden field]

Yo

Could anyone please recommend some channel to learn C++ which also teaches problem solving...and please tell me do I need to study DSA for C++ because in leetcode there are questions filled up with DSA and C++ it's difficult for me to understand where I should start from
wasting my time in finding fucking resources which are not even fucking useful

@everyone

[dark karma]

Did you really just try to ping 41,895 people?

[leaden field]

💀

[leaden field]

@gilded lintel yo please help me 🙌✌️

[brisk pasture]

this is so wrong channel

[inland willow]

May i suggest #1124619767542718524 and #resources-dump

[leaden field]

Sorry about that but I don't know where to ask, this channel was already opened so I asked it here sorry for inconvenience

[leaden field]

Thanks

[gilded lintel]

The best way to get better at problem solving is to solve problems, find a project that interests you and work on that. In general I barely read or watch tutorials 😅

Literally this meme but with a keyboard, some manuals, Google, and ChatGPT to ELI5

[leaden field]

You're correct But for some basic knowledge and how things actually work..you can see there are many topics and subtopics in C++ or any other programs some of them share (almost) the same topic but some do not... Frankly speaking I was not able to solve problems by just having the basic idea of the language like loops, conditions, array i know theory but when it comes to problem solving... 😂 I just fuck it up 🤌🤌

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel how is the browser going

[gilded lintel]

Nothing really visual to show, but we did a lot of work on the print infrastructures, mostly related to print options and document fragmentation

[modest heath]

Still awesome

[modest heath]

No updates?

[gilded lintel]

Trying to decide which mouse cursor to use

[gilded lintel]

I'm cooking

[modest heath]

😭

Its not pointy you loose precision

[gilded lintel]

If you need pixel level precision to use an UI it's a bad ui

[modest heath]

I just thought you would be using like every other os

[gilded lintel]

I'm not building "every other os
"

[modest heath]

Also i forgot to ask

How are the drivers

[gilded lintel]

Right now I'm working on the input stack, once that's done I might start working on GPU stuff, propbably starting with virtio-gpu

[modest heath]

Dont start with virtio

As the name says virtual gpu

(Assuming you wanna run your os on real hardware

[gilded lintel]

Yeah I know ;)

[modest heath]

Keep in mind nvidia has 90% market share

Intel 0

Amd 10

So you would want nvidia

[gilded lintel]

K buy me a GPU then :p

I have none of the three

[modest heath]

Didnt know 😭

[gilded lintel]

I'm using an m3 macbook air

[gilded lintel]

I think having great support for VMs is a good assets for an hobby OS because most people will try it in a VM and never run it on real hardware. Also this doesn't prevent us from adding support for real hardware later on

[modest heath]

Everyone has different goals

[gilded lintel]

My goal is the materialize my vison for skiftOS as fast as possible so people can see if they like it and contribute

[modest heath]

My goal is to accelerate nvidia implement opencl and port games

[oak minnow]

right one if the black circle is semi-trasparent, otherwise the left one

[gilded lintel]

Yes it's semi-transparent

[stark peak]

I kinda dig the blue pointer (left one)

[gilded lintel]

I really like what ipados is doing with their cursor https://youtu.be/jijhJj_rNDI?si=5yohqa_1I7UVmPnI

[stark peak]

I like that as well, especially the transforming

And tbf round cursors are rare
and if you can pull off the transforming, will be unique

[pallid oar]

Lmao is it just me or does the one on the right kinda look like a laser pointer that you would use on a presentation

[gilded lintel]

So, I still have a lot of work to do but.......................... Skift is finally interactive 🥳

[modest heath]

the os looks awesome

But making it look better puts more draw calls on the cpu and it cant keep up with other stuff that it needs to

[stark peak]

Really ??
Is this particular to s/w rendering or slow af CPU's ??

[modest heath]

Look you can have the fastest cpu in the world and you wont get perfect render peformance

Cpu isnt made to render nowdays

Thats why gpu exists and why its very important today

I recommend using hardware rendering

[gilded lintel]

For simple 2d stuff the CPU is plenty, the only reason it's slow is because I'm doing a lot of dumb stuff in karm-ui's skift backend and it's running on an emulated x86 CPU

[modest heath]

Your os is advanced

Cpu is just drawing couple of boxes and simple texturing (ur os is more than that)

[stark peak]

Dunno if its just me but the video isn't playing i.e. black screen throughout

[modest heath]

Tldr: use a gpu

[gilded lintel]

It's on your side

[modest heath]

For me i gotta click the video

[storm lotus]

I had to set theevideo downloading and wait 5 minutes lol

[gilded lintel]

Less horrible perfs

[modest heath]

Yaay

[modest heath]

It still should run at 60fps tho

[gilded lintel]

The graphic pipeline will get an overhaul at some point to make it more GPU-friendly and have faster software rendering ;)

[modest heath]

You dont really need a gpu to test it

In my os i can only confirm Nvidia ampere cards work and i dont have a card from every architecture to test i just implement

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel are you looking into multicore

If yes and you cant make a gpu driver rn dedicate 1 core to render

As nowdays every cpu has more than 1 core

[gilded lintel]

No need to dedicate a core for rendering, I can just add support for SMP and let the scheduler do the rest

[dense pumice]

that's really wasteful

you do not render all the time, so you'd have a core just sitting idle most of the time

we have schedulers and threads for a reason

[modest heath]

If you do happen to port a game you will render all the time and process stuff the game wants

[dense pumice]

so you have multiple threads running the game renderer and one thread sitting idle not rendering any ui

[modest heath]

Ui is just couple of boxes

Tho gpu should always render as it can execute parralel tasks

Now if you dont have a gpu driver disable every display driver and once you fallback to software rendering thats your os peformance ±20%

Not saying make a gpu driver rn cuz ik gpus get the most hate in osdev and no one recommends them (without your own opinion you will never achieve everything if someone says dont do this and you stop, you should be able to make your own decisions in osdev, ofc same applies to real life if someone tells you jump off a bridge you will say no and if someone says dont make a gpu driver its too hard you will say ok i will never touch gpus again in my life)

[gilded lintel]

Google progress :)

[modest heath]

Nice

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel fonts are antialiased right

[gilded lintel]

Yeah, using subpixel, why ?

It's just a low-resolution screenshot taken on my colleague thinkpad

[modest heath]

looking which one i should use

[livid shell]

This is beautiful! Good job, I am a total beginner in c++, so this is one of my goals to make when I get more advance!

[modest heath]

If you want to make an os start now

You will learn along the way

[gilded lintel]

I started without knowing anything about C nor C++, start now

[modest heath]

^

But still if more than 2 people tell him to master cpp and buy books on osdev we cant really do anything

[stoic rose]

What tools do you use for osdev?

[modest heath]

Nice donut

[stoic rose]

Thanks, I made it a while back while learning blender

I stopped tho

[modest heath]

Sad

Mind sharing .obj if you have it

[stoic rose]

I don't think I have it, but it's just a tutorial donut so it's not really special

[modest heath]

I wanted to render it in my os

But ig i can find donuts

[stoic rose]

True

[modest heath]

Anyway about tools for osdev

A compiler a linker a emulator

[stoic rose]

Yeah, I have gotten so far, but what programs exactly?

[modest heath]

And tools to make disk images

[modest heath]

gcc/cmake qemu ld

[neat lodge]

gcc/binutils or clang/lld and qemu?

[modest heath]

And if you want to make your life easier

Gdb

[stoic rose]

Ah ok, thanks!

[modest heath]

Np

[modest heath]

@stoic rose i dont recommend buying any books tho waste of money and you can find everything online only use it if you already have one

[half hound]

this is so cool man nice work

[stoic rose]

To late, I've already bought "modern operating systems 5th edition" a couple of months ago

It's a very informative book tho

[gilded lintel]

Text editor, and C++ compiler

[modest heath]

What about a debugger

[gilded lintel]

gdb or lldb

[modest heath]

Gdb best

[gilded lintel]

It's your opinion

[modest heath]

Ya

[livid shell]

Will definitely do, lemme put together a list, so I have a plan

[gilded lintel]

https://operating-system-in-1000-lines.vercel.app/

To get some basics

[livid shell]

Thank you very much!

[livid shell]

Since I am using cpp, do I use gdb?

[neat lodge]

you can use whatever you want, both work

[livid shell]

Ok thank you very much!

[modest heath]

alot of stuff missing

D:

[gilded lintel]

It's just the base

[modest heath]

my view is make a os like this:
bootloader (UEFI) (make your own you will know a thing or two)
Load kernel as elf file
make your own libc
GDT
some type of output to qemu (DONT initialize GOP you wont use it)
interrupts
paging
malloc
filesystem driver
PCIe
GPU drivers (NVIDIA most popular, followed by AMD and Intel) (reminder virtio gpu doesnt exist on real hardware)
Use the GPU framebuffer
PS/2 drivers (mouse, keyboard)
USB drivers (as some systems dont have PS/2 emulation)
NICs (mainstream ones) + TCP/IP, Ethernet, Wi-Fi...
Sound cards (use ones that actually exist on pcs)
fallback drivers
GUI
Port over OpenGL for game graphics
Port over OpenCL for parallel computing
Port over some games & make a web browser
make an installer for your os
experiment...

[livid shell]

Thank you for this layout, will do more research into these topics

[gilded lintel]

x86 is horrible

[modest heath]

Your opinion

[gilded lintel]

I think for a beginner is better to start with RISCV that with arcane horrors of x86

[gilded lintel]

I knew you would say that 😂

[modest heath]

Just a warrning NEVER be in r/osdev on reddit as its toxic as hell like reddit is, if you even say to any osdev server about openGL, openCL, GPUs and MAINSTREAM DRIVERS you will be the next dinner

[modest heath]

I dont want an argument about architectures

[livid shell]

yea, I see some post in that reddit. People can be pretty brutal!

[modest heath]

Whole reddit is the same

[gilded lintel]

Yeah and it would be productive

[gilded lintel]

Speaking of brutal, https://brutal.smnx.sh

[livid shell]

I am kinda of worried if i start making a os, I am currently learning comments on the learncpp website

is this project way out my league?

[modest heath]

Just start

[modest heath]

No its not

And who told you that

[livid shell]

its a bit scary xD but i will start. I use visual studio if thats fine?

[modest heath]

I use vscode

[livid shell]

is there a proper guide to help me setup an os on windows?

I found this youtube series to try and help me but he is using linux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rnA6wpF0o4&list=PLHh55M_Kq4OApWScZyPl5HhgsTJS9MZ6M&index=1&t=884s&ab_channel=WriteyourownOperatingSystem

[modest heath]

I can help you out i do it on windows

[livid shell]

ok thank you so much

[gilded lintel]

Use WSL

[gilded lintel]

Don't follow video tutorials on OSDEV they are all shit

[livid shell]

ok!

[stoic rose]

Oh, what resources did you use to start developing os on windows, bc I have the feeling a lot of them are focussed on linux

And I use windows too

[modest heath]

I use windows and wsl

Its the same

[stoic rose]

Ok

[gilded lintel]

FYI I will be at FOSDEM

[stoic rose]

No way, I was expecting it to be in the US or something but it's in Brussels

Oh it apparently takes place in Brussels most of the time

[gilded lintel]

FOSDEM is always in Brussels

[pallid oar]

presenting or js watching

[glacial tartan]

why watch javascript

[gilded lintel]

I'm not presenting but I'll be happy to discuss and show and tell :)

[modest heath]

Updates?

[little dirge]

What did you use to get started?

I followed the “bare bones” tutorial on osdev.org a while back

It was pretty straightforward

[shut quarry]

This is so cool

[modest heath]

I can tell you from my expirience nuh uh dont use osdev wiki

And never ask questions about gpu

NEVER

People dont like it

[neat lodge]

[modest heath]

@neat lodge you need to trust me on this

Here no one will care

Server isnt dedicated to osdev

[neat lodge]

are you talking about this server specifically

[modest heath]

No

In this server people actually help (rare)

[neat lodge]

people do in the osdev server too most of the time (though there is a limited amount of people who know anything specific about gpus in there too)

[modest heath]

Problem is people who dont know join the conversation about how its not possible

And those who know follow

[gilded lintel]

I've been doing this for about seven years, so there's no single resource I can point to. I learned by reading everything I could find online and studying the code of operating systems, application frameworks, and web browsers. It’s about immersing yourself in the field, not just following a guide.

[modest heath]

You dont need to know how web browsers work in order to make a os

[gilded lintel]

Yeah obviously

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel do you follow trademark guidelines for using other companies names in your os

[modest heath]

@gilded lintel updates

[modest sentinel]

Give him a break 😭

[sly anchor]

if u want faster progress then contribute

[untold sinew]

Kek

[warm ermine]

this is really cool

can someone give a link to the top of this post because stupid discord mobile ui doesn't have scroll to top?

[eager agate]

#1082014654307512321 message

It has to be said, while this is really cool, it's annoyingly nontrivial to figure out which things are where (to the point that i'm just grepping identifiers and going from there)

[warm ermine]

thanks

[warm ermine]

true

this is really cool, the dedication deserves respect, but like, i dont get the practical use of this

[eager agate]

Making an OS isn't meant to be practical 99.9% of the time lol

[warm ermine]

true

thats why often times i just dont get people who spend years making their own os or game engine...

[oak minnow]

game engines are different, there are a lot of great games which have been created with a custom engine (or none, which is basically the same thing), one example that comes to mind is celeste

this can't be said about OSes, to become a sonewhat popular os you have to be either a corporation (ms, apple) or get funded/get labor force by corporations (linux fundation)

[candid kestrel]

fun

I started my kernel on the basis of "I was bored..."

[ebon saffron]

the power of being unemployed

[candid kestrel]

or being a student

[ebon saffron]

real

[sly anchor]

dont underestimate the power of boring intro classes

[gilded lintel]

Progress on google.com

[pallid oar]

Woah

It looks usable

[little dirge]

Have you gotten some wifi/internet stuff just yet? Like some very basic (relatively of course) Ethernet stuff or whatever

[gilded lintel]

Not yet

[quasi crystal]

just saw this, this project looks amazing! extremely impressive

[little dirge]

holy shit its coming together

[quasi crystal]

amazing

[inland willow]

W

[winter trout]

Legendary

[remote nexus]

the ui looks epic 👍

[twin remnant]

If everyone would think like this there would be no progression in the operating systems space at all.

The *BSDs for example, even though based on 386BSD, or the Plan9 forks while not written from scratch but still maintained, don't question their existence because of a teeny-tiny user base.

There are opportunists and pragmatists and there are enthusiasts, the latter keep pushing the boundaries.

[pallid oar]

any updates?

[gilded lintel]

I'm working on a handheld game console UI

I don't know how far I'll go with it but I'm designing an emulation handheld based on skiftOS

[oak minnow]

[young iris]

Beginner/intermediate
Writes an OS from scratch
Lmao

@gilded lintel what do you mean by OS? Is it linux-based?

[gilded lintel]

Fully from scratch from bootloader to web browser including kernel, device drivers, desktop environment, etc

[young iris]

Man, THAT is insane

Installing that to a VM right now

Installing that to a VM right now

And also the source code

[young iris]

This is the pinacle of computer science

An OS built from scratch, not UNIX-based, with your own set of apps, API, a web browser!

[twin remnant]

Like the Miiyo Mini?

[twin remnant]

Ever heard of SerenityOS?

[gilded lintel]

Yes that's the inspiration but based on a RISC V chip

[twin remnant]

Sounds awesome! Maybe open a thread once theres something to present.

[twin remnant]

I have to paddle back on this one, Serenity actually is Unix-like.

[young iris]

I had thought that was a project made by many people, but it's also crazy

the real OS is TempleOS though

[violet marsh]

@gilded lintel can you give me like a roadmap to os or a list of thing I should learn how is the process of learning pls let me know Im dreaming of creating something like this

Sry for the ping

Oh also do you have a mobile version or what it compatable with mobile and pc

Im really excited to know

And the design stuff how to learn all of these

[young iris]

You start by building basic things, then scale up

But beware: building an operating system is not a simple task. It can be done but you need to learn what an operating system does under the ground (things you don't see)

If you're interested in just visual things maybe you can build a desktop environment instead

I talk about this in #1403430807682547843

[violet marsh]

Im aware of this but it tooo much fun

Maybe I wait for the skiftos dev to give some info also

[young iris]

Also. No one can make your roadmap

You make your adventure

There are tutorials out there on how to make your own OS

[violet marsh]

Yes but something for beginners is also helpful Im 15 so I have a long journey

[young iris]

But maybe I would peek #AuroraOS source code to see how its made

[young iris]

15 and already do C++? Wow

[violet marsh]

Yeah Im intermediate right now I do some OpenGL

[young iris]

Can I open your DM?

[violet marsh]

But I really wanna learn to make a os

[violet marsh]

Sure

[gritty turtle]

What software do you use for these diagrams?

[gilded lintel]

tldraw

[violet marsh]

oh can you answer my questions please boohoo

[twin remnant]

OSDev wiki is a good starting point. Theres also an OSDev Discord server.

[thorny folio]

wait a minute, did you mean my AuroraOS's source code?

[thorny folio]

Thats cool.

[thorny folio]

Imagine how good you will be at 20.

[violet marsh]

I mean I wish a good programming future

I really wanna make some cool stuff like this

[young iris]

Yeah

[violet marsh]

can you like tell us what every repo in for?

[gilded lintel]

Starting a three-week vacation, I hope to make some nice progress on Skift :)

[gilded lintel]

What repo ?

[violet marsh]

I figure that out but the desktop environments does it use xorg or Wayland or completely for scratch

[gilded lintel]

Everything is from scratch

[violet marsh]

Damm I really wish I have your skills

[pallid oar]

bro your going on vacation

why work on more code

[gilded lintel]

Coding is fun :)

[twin remnant]

And exactly those are the people I want to support as much as I can. Nothing but love for your attitude.

[gilded lintel]

First enclosure prototype

[twin remnant]

Looks neat. Reminds me of the Miiyo Mini Plus on my desk : D

[twin remnant]

Have the same Miiyoo 😄 Your device has a slightly bigger display, yea?

Or "will have".

Speakers on the front beneath the display seems like a good idea.

The buttons seem still pretty small, though. Problematic for bigger hands.

But yea, its a prototype.

[violet marsh]

is this thing made by you?

[gilded lintel]

Yes it's designed in freecad and 3d printed, I'm waiting some components but once I have them I will run skiftOS on it

[violet marsh]

yoooooooooooooooo this is cool i wish i have your skill you are a genius

[violet marsh]

wait it is like a version of skiftos that run on this?

[gilded lintel]

The console will be based on a RISC-V CPU and I'm working on porting the whole skiftOS stack to riscv

[violet marsh]

so skiftos it is only for 86-64x architacuture?

also what age you started programming?

[gilded lintel]

Most components can run on any architecture, except for the kernel and bootloader, which need to be ported.

[gilded lintel]

I started around 17 years old, and I'm 26 now

[violet marsh]

It might be dumb but what the part called when you design this device and print it and all that process

Like the name I wanna make some research

[gilded lintel]

Hardware development?

[violet marsh]

Oh ok

[gilded lintel]

Shitty controller PCB :)

[thin niche]

Does skift run on arm?

[gilded lintel]

The kernel doesn't support ARM

[twin remnant]

Damn, going forward! Will there be some kind of funding in the future?

[twin remnant]

I mean, when its somehow in a Beta status.

[gilded lintel]

Finally got around to implementing PNG image decoding

I also made some art along the way

[untold sinew]

Fun

[eager agate]

ooh, png has been on my to do list for a while but it's too far down for me to get to in the next like year

[gilded lintel]

The media player is now working; it can play simple WAVE file

[gilded lintel]

Sharing this talk I gave to the OXP, it's about paper-muncher a tool I developed at work based on the web engine in skiftOS https://www.youtube.com/live/pLOrvovZ9uM?si=saP-osEzpLqxqU6M&t=2081

[willow aspen]

Dont mind my question but do you think using GLFW for GUI is good option ?

[gilded lintel]

I added more "professional" adjustments to the image editor

With working auto adjustment

[gilded lintel]

Well it's just a loader for vulkan/opengl/es so you can build UI lib on top of it

[willow aspen]

Thanks.. I was confused.

[gilded lintel]

I finally got the motivation to work on the actual OS back, I fixed some IPC bugs, improved my RPC framework, and implemented shared memory graphical surfaces. It's not interactive yet, but FINALY apps can render in the shell.

[thorny folio]

It's nice seeing the progress! Well done!

[gilded lintel]

Event dispatch and window redraw

[twin remnant]

The calculator looks extremely like Windows' :3

[gilded lintel]

Yes it was my inspiration

[storm lotus]

I'm working on a responsive user interface layout system at the moment, I'm curious as to how you define these kinds of interfaces and how they respond to changes in window size?
I saw you worked on a browser rendering engine, any overlap in the behaviour of these two?

[upbeat crypt]

Damn, entire os

[gilded lintel]

Fixed a bug in the kernel and implemented window closing

Also working on another design for the mouse cursor

[kindred cedar]

Could you standalone the cursor assets? It looks really nice and I'd like to port it to my system if you'd let me

[inland willow]

Reminds me of bibata

[gilded lintel]

It's mostly the same one as in android 14

[shut quarry]

This is amazing

how do u even start off with such a project?

[pallid oar]

learn, start small, build up from there

[winter trout]

Ooo I really like that UI

[gilded lintel]

Working on the terminal

[winter trout]

I will absolutely give this a shot

Since you're making the OS, make sure the API isn't as cursed as WinAPI/linux API 😭

We're in 2025, we can write better APIs surely 😭

[gilded lintel]

The api is very clean don't worry ;)

[tawny thistle]

Just too good!

[winter trout]

I'll try to contribute as well, when I get a little bit of a more free time

[livid abyss]

Hi @gilded lintel !
I love how your OS is growing, keep going!!

[tawny thistle]

really makes me wonder what I'm doing with all my time 😄

@gilded lintel do you dabble in all that immediate mode UI business or don't care for it?

[gilded lintel]

Yeah I don't care, skift ui is functional style but it could have been IM and change nothing 😅

[tawny thistle]

the UI looks much smoother compared to the last time I checked it out

what's the status on networking? I don't see it mentioned anywhere

[gilded lintel]

There is no networking yet

[tawny thistle]

so you could say networking is notworking

[thorny folio]

Isn't there karm-http?

[twin remnant]

In tradition of the unspeakable name

[covert bay]

@gilded lintel Amazing work, does it have a proper shell language, if not, can I add my language ROS made with pure C++ STL and is smaller than Lua and python (797KB for ROS, ~1MB for lua and python is just out of the question), while having Lua-like formatting, and Python-like readability, as a shell?
git link: https://github.com/Backmeet/ruby-on-spaces

leaving that, amazing work, looks fantastic

also i am asking you directly if there is a shell, as i do not make OSs and dont know shit on how anything work or were i would find anything

[gilded lintel]

Wow what a sales pitch

[gilded lintel]

Right now we don't have a shell language, but I have some opinion on how it should work and I don't like the STL

[covert bay]

yea, i wanted to some how leave my mark with ROS...

[covert bay]

good thing! ROS was made with modularity in mind (no joke its ment to be moduler as hell)

[covert bay]

STL as in the c++ std lib?

or the ROS std lib

2 diffrent things

[gilded lintel]

Yes the C++ stl

[covert bay]

may i ask why? its a good stdlib

contains everything you'd ever need

[covert bay]

@gilded lintel sry for the pings, id stop asking just after this question

[gilded lintel]

I don't like exceptions and I want smart pointers without a null state

[covert bay]

I don't use smart pointers for the same reason and I just use exceptions to get the super() of the caller of the exec_stmt function so any function can yield or return from any thread

So yea there is no use of smart pointers and minimal use of exceptions

Just for very basic error handling

Like eof error or somt else

[covert bay]

So, our thoughts match?

[gilded lintel]

I like smart pointers but not the version of the stl

[covert bay]

You do know that the stl is backwards compatible

Also STL just contains, all the special containers it's a template lib

What you most likely hate is the cpp std lib

The template lib just has vector error classes string and basic types

And the part that handles smart pointers

Is not a part of that

But exceptions are a part of the STL, hence they are just more fancy containers

[upbeat crypt]

@gilded lintel you have so many projects💀

[covert bay]

should that be a bad thing for him/her/they

[upbeat crypt]

Did I said it is bad?

[upbeat crypt]

Were you always been toxic to everyone?

[twin remnant]

Some people are not in balance with themselves or their lives and since you're on the internet, you'll met them more often than not. Just ignore them.

[gilded lintel]

Well, technically they’re all part of one

[winter trout]

How come?

shared/weak being usually a bad idea?

[gilded lintel]

My main issue with them is that they are nullable

[winter trout]

How is that an issue though? Sometimes you wanna check if the pointer has a value

[upbeat crypt]

#include <memory>
#include <stdexcept>
#include <cassert>

template <typename T>
class NonNullUniquePtr {
    std::unique_ptr<T> ptr_;

public:
    explicit NonNullUniquePtr(std::unique_ptr<T> ptr)
        : ptr_(std::move(ptr)) {
        if (!ptr_) throw std::invalid_argument("NonNullUniquePtr cannot be null");
    }

    T& operator*() const noexcept { return *ptr_; }
    T* operator->() const noexcept { return ptr_.get(); }
    T* get() const noexcept { return ptr_.get(); }

    // Move-only like unique_ptr
    NonNullUniquePtr(NonNullUniquePtr&&) noexcept = default;
    NonNullUniquePtr& operator=(NonNullUniquePtr&&) noexcept = default;

    // disable copying
    NonNullUniquePtr(const NonNullUniquePtr&) = delete;
    NonNullUniquePtr& operator=(const NonNullUniquePtr&) = delete;
};

template <typename T, typename... Args>
NonNullUniquePtr<T> make_non_null_unique(Args&&... args) {
    return NonNullUniquePtr<T>(std::make_unique<T>(std::forward<Args>(args)...));
}

Found this but I am not sure that will even work

[gilded lintel]

Finally got the browser to start on the OS, now I need more APIs to load something other than about:blank.

[thorny folio]

Wow

You need a network API now?

[gilded lintel]

Yeah that and a bunch of work on the file system too

[upbeat crypt]

Cool, as a beginner Idk how many years it will take for me to create os like this

[thorny folio]

Well, you can look at #1378746976757223508 . It has taken me around a year to get this far.

[thorny folio]

Ohh ye filesystem work is important.

[upbeat crypt]

I will

[thorny folio]

How long have you worked on skiftos so far?

[gilded lintel]

Dunno 2~4years

[thorny folio]

Niceee.

Hope AuroraOS will be looking this good after 4 years :D

[upbeat crypt]

wow,💀

[upbeat crypt]

I want to dig into kernel stuff to. currently I learn c++ OOP

[turbid zodiac]

holy god, this is looking crazily aesthetic

it has massive potential

[twin remnant]

Its like Windows was done by Apple.

Too modern for my personal taste, but certainly aesthetic.

[turbid zodiac]

well said man

[little dirge]

this is outstandingly good

[willow tapir]

Yea

[tawny kelp]

Thats exactly what i was thinking!

This shit is out of this world

I'm even more impressed by the dedication for 6 long years!

cheers man

[chrome leaf]

How hard is it to get a driver for Nvidia gpu for this operating system.

[tawny kelp]

id imagine pretty hard

[chrome leaf]

Yeah i think those are usually proprietary. You'd need to be pretty popular. But I'm not sure how it works

[tawny kelp]

yep

[thorny folio]

Really hard, unlike many other operating systems skiftos is built with its own technology stack and everything this means that almost no code from any Unix driver can be reused.

[chrome leaf]

That is unfortunate. Pretty cool that this is all from scratch though

@thorny folio Do you test your OS with an emulator?

[thorny folio]

Qemu

[gilded lintel]

Hey if anyone here going to FOSDEM I'll be presenting a talk about skiftOS in the micro-kernel and component based OS dev room

[quasi crystal]

im going! if the schedule matches i might show up 🙂

[upbeat crypt]

FOSDEM?

Goggled and found it will be here this year?

[upbeat crypt]

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/PA7Z9R-skift/

[turbid zodiac]

same man

[gilded lintel]

I move the project to codeberg https://codeberg.org/skift/os

[thorny folio]

Fire. Finally

[stark peak]

If I may ask, why so ?

[thorny folio]

Codeberg is a lot better.

[gilded lintel]

The less I have to interface with Microsoft even indirectly the better I feel

[violet marsh]

do you gonna work on the gpu stack any time soon?

alos remove github workflow stuff

[gilded lintel]

no direct plan, I'm focused on getting the system ready to be presented at FOSDEM

[violet marsh]

FOSDEM?

[gilded lintel]

https://fosdem.org/2026/

[gilded lintel]

These past two days I have:

• Introduced a new IRQ delivery scheme from kernel to userspace.
• Introduced a general framework for writing system components and handling client sessions.
• Got rid of the stupid bus and replaced it with a component manager.

Now I have two days to fix all the bugs and regressions, implement the VFS back, port Doom, and get the browser running

[gilded lintel]

The video of my presentation is now available

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/PA7Z9R-skift/

[buoyant kite]

Wow, I seem to have stumbled upon something that looks awesome that I'm trying

Also if I'm not wrong, the output folder would be os instead of skift right?

Yeah it was

[gilded lintel]

Oops will fix that

[gilded lintel]

I refreshed the UI

[quasi crystal]

all of it reminds me of gnome desktop

which is a compliment, i think gnome has great UX/UI

[gilded lintel]

Well I like gnome too so that explains it

[wintry coral]

Yeah it looks really nice

[ancient turtle]

i notice that the website said use at your own risk

[serene geyser]

"duh"

[gilded lintel]

(make me think the website needs to be updated it's like the same one since 2021 and the project was rewritten in the meantime)

[gilded lintel]

I'm working on this Figma/tldraw clone for skiftOS. It's fully vector-based, and the canvas is 'infinite.' The stroke engine can handle stroke sensitivity either by using pressure information directly from the tablet or based on the speed of the cursor.

[sly anchor]

neat

[gilded lintel]

Another screenshot of the UI refresh

[wooden pebble]

super cool

[wintry coral]

2025?

You forgot to update the copyright claude

Complaining about this because otherwise everything else absolutely looks flawless

[potent karma]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gilded lintel]

Finally got a proper vfs, I'm no longer mapping the ramdisk in every process

[thorny folio]

always adore ur UI, keep it up-

[jagged cloud]

hey, are you on NaN server too?

[gilded lintel]

Yeah

[pallid oar]

date looks a light bit off...

all jokes aside it looks incredible

[buoyant kite]

I’m personally living in 1970, what are you living in, 2026? What’s it like there?

[pallid oar]

pretty shit I can't lie

US decided to invade the middle east again

too political? idk

[jagged cloud]

is the skiftos project will be available an day on real machine or not?

[gilded lintel]

I never tried, it might work it might not 😅

[jagged cloud]

Idk, it need materials drivers

[gilded lintel]

It can boot using the GOP, ramdisk, and legacy PS2 device if supported by your mother board

[jagged cloud]

I dont think so

[thorny folio]

is skiftos 32 or 64 bit?

[gilded lintel]

64bit

[jagged cloud]

You respond to the wrong person

[gilded lintel]

Oops 😅

[gilded lintel]

^

[jagged cloud]

At when the usb drivers

[thorny folio]

And x86?

x86_64*

[gilded lintel]

Yes x86_64 and some initial support for riscv64

[wintry coral]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-right-away-fred-armisen-parks-and-rec-right-to-jail-jail-gif-1866630920936314540

[karmic cliff]

this is really cool i like it