#Where should I bring up the general
uneven portal
I'm not sure what you mean?
So cover has the door device class
Meaning that yes. We can create a door that's a cover
But the question here was more like, we also don't want fridges to be a climate entity
Because while it has all the attributes, is it a climate entity?
sage hare
only if the door is open
uneven portal
Lmao yes
gentle pine
I mean, a door that has open/close commands is not necessarily a cover. How to represent such a door in HA?
uneven portal
I mean, a door that has open/close commands is not necessarily a cover. How to ...
Well like said, we have a door device class in HA
So if you have a normal door that can open and close, it'd be perfectly fine to use a cover
gentle pine
Not semantically
gentle pine
Which a controllable door fridge hardly does
uneven portal
I mean it covers my fridge
gentle pine
Any door covers something too, then. I think the "cover" term isn't a specialization of the "door" term that adds the nuance of being controllable.
uneven portal
Yes but we don't want a million domains
Hence we have device classes to tell HA what kind of cover something is
Blind, damper, door, etc
gentle pine
I get that. We also want new users to immediately understand the terms. I think this one requires specific explanation and derives from natural semantics.
For old-timers it's OK. I wouldn't bother personally. But new users will be confused.
uneven portal
Sure, but in a way we also need to look at what we have today
It's not that we have 10 integrations that expose controllable doors
gentle pine
True. Maybe find a more fitting term for cover? 🤔
uneven portal
So like, of course we can push back and improve stuff. But that'd take time, so for us it's fine to have such solution in between
gentle pine
Yes for short term it does the job. But it would be good to keep that question in mind somewhere.
uneven portal
Yep
Like at this point I'd rather look at device types and being able to give more context to for example fridges
gentle pine
Low urgency, but it aligns with current effort of making HA less of an expert tool.
uneven portal
So how can we make sure HA knows that the fridge temperature is the fridge temperature and shouldn't be included in the average of the room
gentle pine
Oh. Nice.
uneven portal
So yea, hence more my question, do we consider a door a cover, or not
Because if you made your fridge a climate entity, imagine telling your voice assistant to set the temperature in the kitchen to 21°C
Now most of the fridges don't have a range that high
But just imagine when it does
gentle pine
Yup. I wouldn't consider a fridge thermometer a climate entity because it doesn't control a "climate". Or maybe the climate of a very small room.
uneven portal
Yup. I wouldn't consider a fridge thermometer a climate entity because it doesn'...
I mean it does have a thermostat in there
So in theory it'd fit
But we decided it wouldn't be correct
Hence the question about the door
gentle pine
Maybe the real topic is to decide a room can have different separate temperatures? Imagine a spa with a warm area and a cold area.
Maybe it's related with the missing capacity of splitting rooms into sub-rooms
shrewd nest
For the fridge example, wouldn't device classes for climate entities solve that?
- fridge
- sauna
- oven
- soldering iron / iron
- pool
- 3d printer
are examples of thermostats that should generally be excluded of room climate actions.
uneven portal
I guess it could
But I think device types in the end might carry more value as we can define context in an even greater detail
uneven portal
For the fridge example, wouldn't device classes for climate entities solve that?...
Haven't thought about it like this tho
shrewd nest
Same probably for cover. If it had a device-door device class that isn't targeted by "open all doors"... otoh is this even a command that's used anywhere? (Except for USS Enterprise on vacuum robot day)
uneven portal
Same probably for cover. If it had a `device-door` device class that isn't targe...
In theory you can make an automation targeting a whole area
I think device door would be a slippery slope in a way
What if Ikea came with smart cupboard
Would that be a door or a device door
(and yes i realize I'm now finding examples that don't exist)
uneven portal
(and yes i realize I'm now finding examples that don't exist)
(not trying to be dismissive btw, I haven't thought about the idea and in a way it probably would make sense, but i also want to kinda show the direction we could/might be heading as well)