#Tado X integration via Matter & Thread

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oblique sky
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Heyho,

I recently purchased Tado x thermostats during the Black Friday sale to replace my old Bosch thermostat. My main reasons for switching were the noise issues with the Bosch devices and my preference for the sleek Tado design.

After integrating the thermostats into Home Assistant (HA) using the SkyConnect stick, I noticed a few limitations that are affecting some of my use cases:

  1. No Battery Life Sensor:
    I can’t find a way to monitor the battery life of the thermostats. This means I can’t set up notifications to alert me before the batteries run out.

  2. No Firmware Update Options:
    It seems there’s no way to perform firmware updates directly via HA. To access firmware updates or optimizations, I’d need to reconnect the thermostats to the Tado Bridge, which I’d prefer to avoid.

  3. Temperature Sensor Issue:
    While I can see a climate entity showing the current temperature and target temperature, there’s no separate sensor entity for the current temperature. This makes it difficult to use the current temperature in automations independently.

Is there a workaround or alternative method to enable these features without relying on the Tado Bridge? I’d like to avoid adding another device to my flat that takes up space without serving a meaningful purpose.

T

winter shoal
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For #3 make a template sensor.

oblique sky
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Is there a way to connect the thermostat to the bridge AND via home assistant ? Then I could solute #2 with a easy regular connection of the bridge to my ethernet network.
Re-Pairing the thermostats for each fwupdate would be a no-go.

odd zinc
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tado X devices are not supported through the Home Assistant integration at the moment so the bridge won’t help. As to what is available through Matter is up to tado, so you'll have to ask them for a firmware update

oblique sky
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Ok. I plugged the tado bridge in a random room. Then I connected the tado thermostats to the bridge. After that I chose "Device Pairing" in the tado app, which gave me a setup code. With this I could re-insert the tados to home assistant via thread/matter.
Now they have the same functionality in HA but now they are connected to the bridge to the same time. So all FW updates should be applied by the bridge. I will observe it.

wraith heart
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the tado bridge is just a dumb Thread Border Router, it includes no company-specific functionality. Any other TBR can replace it, including HA with Skyconnect and running OTBR.

oblique sky
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So I believe at least fw updates and battery level is handled by that bridge and it is not "just a dumb Thread Border Router"

odd zinc
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They do have thread based communication that doesn't happen over matter

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so what you see over Matter isn't what their bridge receives

wraith heart
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the devices talk over Thread and the TBR feature / NAT64 with the tado servers. This is an end-to-end channel, the bridge is just a network device in this path, not actively taking part in the content of the communication.

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if you enable the OTBR AddOn in HA then the the devices can talk to the servers also this way just fine

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I have both running in the same Thread network, HA OTBR and tado TBR. I can remove either one and (once the Thread network shakes itself out) the devices happily talk to the tado servers over the remaining way

oblique sky
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okay, how do you ensure that it get fw updates with your NAT64 configuration?

wraith heart
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fw updates get pushed from tado servers if device is online and reporting an old version. As long as the device can talk "to the cloud" (via NAT64) it gets updates. Which way it talks to the cloud (via tado TBR or via HA TBR or via Apple Home Pod Mini or via AppleTV or via a few selected Google Home devices) does not matter.

bleak quiver
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I have a few Tado X devices with the tado X bridge too and I want to throw them into HAOS. What I do not have atm, is a TBR (like skyconnect) in my HAOS. Do I need it? Do the Tado X devices support matter over Wifi? I thought so, then I should be able to share the devices from the app with the "device pairing" to my matter server inside HAOS.
But I tried it and I wasnt able to connect them. They cant get a connection. I was able to share the tado X devices with my Echo and tried to share the devices from the alexa app to my HAOS, but same result. Do I really need to buy a skyconnect to get them into HAOS?

wraith heart
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The tado Bridge X is a TBR, you do not need a second one. HA can talk Matter with the devices over the existing TBR already.

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wild guess: is your HAOS network setup compatible? (I.e. same network as the TBR, IPv6 enabled, device to device communication or MDNS not blocked)

bleak quiver