human presence detection - automation | Home Assistant | Page 1

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:42 PM

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You’d want to trigger on the Presense entity and then you could use the Illuminance for if it’s dark or not.

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And “human” is a misnomer. It’s more like “living thing”. My dogs can set off my sensors.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:46 PM

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I haz no dog, I'll settle for movement 😄

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I run the other automations on sun as trigger if it is dark or not, somewhat works

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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You could do that. Basically the Presence entity is just a binary_sensor. On if there’s “something” there, off otherwise.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Just trying to wrap my head around how to use it when its not numbers

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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if Presence == on AND sun has set

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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it does not show me on/off but loads of diff states

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:50 PM

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What does the Presence entity show when you look at its details?

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:50 PM

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And now the horror, I do click-point-automations

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😄

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:50 PM

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That’s fine.

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That was just pseudo logic.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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But it might be as you say

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Prolly is

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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It should be just a binary_sensor.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:52 PM

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flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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Yup. It’s a binary sensor. You’re fine. Just use that as your trigger (with an entity state trigger) and then add a condition using the sun is below horizon.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Or is it smarter todo_it with the built in luxthingy

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Im old so low light comes early 😄

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:57 PM

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Eh, not really because when the lights are on, the lux will likely be above your threshold.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:57 PM

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right!

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:57 PM

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So, you run the risk of the lights not coming on/staying on because the lux sensor is reporting what it sees.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 4:58 PM

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I'll try and coble something togather, hang on

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So no use with them breaththingys ?

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 4:59 PM

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dusky totem So no use with them breaththingys ?

Not sure what you mean?

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:00 PM

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So the binary sensor is a sum of all the adjustments that can be made ?

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flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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Yeah. It takes the variables and then determines if there is presence.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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those are the sensors

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:02 PM

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Yeah, they all basically wrap up into the Presence entity. if this > x and that > x then on etc.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:02 PM

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So again your asumption was correct; just use the binary

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:03 PM

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You can enable them (and should) to fine tune the detection. Otherwise it’ll be too excessive and triggering on pretty much anything.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:04 PM

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So then I'll make an automation for turning on, and one that turns off after 5min of inactivity; or can it be done in the same ?

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:05 PM

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You could do that in a single automation with multiple triggers and use ids. But, that is a bit more complex. It’s how I do all mine though.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Right, I'm a complex simple person 🙂

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:06 PM

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lol then just do 2 automations. No harm in that at all.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Noooo, one was said!

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:07 PM

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Hahahaha. Do whatever works for you.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:07 PM

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If it works, I'm happy

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:07 PM

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I’m 10+ years into HA… so complex is my life. lol

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:07 PM

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Aotch

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Thinking if that binary is from just being detected in the house from unifi

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Nope, now I'm thinking out loud

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:12 PM

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It shouldn’t be.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:13 PM

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so that is basicly on ?

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Yeah. You could go into the entity settings and change it to a device class of Motion and it’ll report clear and detected in the frontend.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Home seams to be equal to on

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:15 PM

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It’s all on/off under the covers. The device class determines what you “see”.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Or if I spare me the trouble and push buttons 😄

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this just got very complex in my head

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Kinda the turnoff sequence that throws me off

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its the and/if-part I dont get

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Dont think I get it in the same automation, I prolly need 2 cause I dont get how to

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 5:40 PM

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You can. Did you add trigger ids to your triggers?

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You use them in your if block.

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dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Meh cant find the else 😄

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Or its not available though clicking ?

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 6:05 PM

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Well I'm gonna try this, not as clean but I cant find the "else" option

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nope. that failed

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 6:28 PM

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You have to enable the Else.

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There's a button for it in the IF block

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 6:31 PM

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I just find and or not

flint loom Oct 24, 2024, 6:33 PM

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dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 6:36 PM

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HAHAH I found it 😄

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damn I'm the man!

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doh

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think that will work ?

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Else I just test it 😉

magic jetty Oct 24, 2024, 6:48 PM

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You probably don't want the same condition in the conditions area ("And if") and in the if/else.

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 6:48 PM

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Oh well, didnt work 😄

magic jetty Oct 24, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Everything part of "and if" is the conditions section of the automation. If any of those fail none of the actions ("Then do") will run.

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The if/else is an action

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So if you want to do different things based on the trigger, don't put anything in the conditions area, and just put all your conditions in the if/else block

dusky totem Oct 24, 2024, 6:55 PM

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Well I dont get where I did wrong

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nvm I just make 2 automations with helper

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did work previously

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 9:16 AM

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So I revisited this automation; actually genious to have on/off in same automation, however I get it to turn on, but never turns off. Never does else efter 5mins

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fossil lodge Nov 8, 2024, 11:54 AM

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you might have to use the state "not_home" rather than "away" depending on your presence sensor

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 11:57 AM

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Oki!

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thnx

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those are the options given

fossil lodge Nov 8, 2024, 12:21 PM

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hmm then it should be fine

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could you pull up the history of presence1 presence?

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 12:35 PM

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Is your work a zone? If so, the to would probably be the zone name. Not sure what presence1 is though.

fossil lodge Nov 8, 2024, 12:35 PM

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isn't that just the entity name?

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 4:00 PM

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Oh sorry, was AFK

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 4:31 PM

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that is binary_sensor

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it shows in history as away, I'll try set it as away

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 4:57 PM

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nope it didnt work

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 4:58 PM

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What shows in history is the translated state. For a binary sensor, it should be on/off (unless you changed the Show As for it).

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 4:58 PM

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this is what it reports

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 4:59 PM

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Yeah, that’s the translated state.

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Still if I put in on/off in boxes; it changes to home/away

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 5:01 PM

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And this is just a regular binary sensor? Can you show the entity info screen? Something seems off.

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:02 PM

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Well its one of them

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:05 PM

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you might have to use the state "not_home" rather than "away" depending on your presence sensor

Not home is the state for a device_tracker, not a presence-class binary sensor.

This just looks like a regular presence-class binary sensor. What is the problem with it?

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:05 PM

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But basicly the binary is a sum of all imput if there is action or not

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Yeah, it’s set to “presence” instead of “occupancy”.

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Or vice-versa. Can’t remember off the top of my head.

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Well, how do I fix it 😄

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Can you restate what the problem is

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:09 PM

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I can get it to turn on the desired lamp, but never turns off

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Can you share the current yaml of the automation

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Well I dont edit in yaml, see if I can find it

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Top right corner

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"Edit in Yaml"

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Even if you didn't create it in yaml, that's the easiest way to share its exact details to someone else.

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Well then I have to do that for all sections

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:14 PM

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not for each individual item

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up near the TRACES button

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it will show the entire automation in yaml format

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:16 PM

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Might be this: ```id: '1729790449035'
alias: Office Lights Motion
description: ''
triggers:

trigger: state
entity_id:
- binary_sensor.presence1_presence
  id: officeON
  to: 'on'
trigger: state
entity_id:
- binary_sensor.presence1_presence
  for:
  hours: 0
  minutes: 5
  seconds: 0
  id: officeOFF
  to: 'off'
  conditions:
condition: trigger
id:
- officeON
  actions:
if:
- condition: trigger
  id:
  - officeON
- condition: numeric_state
  entity_id: sun.sun
  attribute: elevation
  below: -2
  then:
- type: turn_on
  device_id: 8529c194724b0208717998e53adb7d1e
  entity_id: 656b4eef6748cae4fbd932afab817da1
  domain: light
- type: turn_on
  device_id: ae68870e0ec58c134fc0f71055ded800
  entity_id: b3e61971702270e8dde42e35d0ec9ba8
  domain: light
  else:
- type: turn_off
  device_id: 8529c194724b0208717998e53adb7d1e
  entity_id: 656b4eef6748cae4fbd932afab817da1
  domain: light
- type: turn_off
  device_id: ae68870e0ec58c134fc0f71055ded800
  entity_id: b3e61971702270e8dde42e35d0ec9ba8
  domain: light
  mode: single ```

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:16 PM

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conditions:
  - condition: trigger
    id:
      - officeON

Get rid of this

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you're stopping the automation from running when the trigger is not officeON

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you don't want to duplicate the condition in conditions if you have it as part of an if statement

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Well I dont understand what I did wrong, otherwise I would have fixed it 🙂

magic jetty Nov 8, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Do you understand now?

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:18 PM

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Oh well, never mind 🙂

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I still dont see the problem @code-in-progress said to put it like that

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Oh, it's not a "problem". It's strictly frontend translation.

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dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:25 PM

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I should not stop, it should pass to else and I would get my 5min timeout, but aparently not

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 5:25 PM

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Mine are set to "occupancy" and not "presence".

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As @magic jetty said, you have a condition in there that prevents it. Remove the condition.

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:28 PM

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Right, oh well I give it 5mins 🙂

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YAY

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😍

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It works great, but side note; I prolly should remake all my automations then

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cuase I haz one -On/-Off for everything

flint loom Nov 8, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Probably. 🙂

dusky totem Nov 8, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Great, feel inspired I will work on that

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for example got some old 443 remotes, got one automation for each btn 😄

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Feels like it could pass as or

dusky totem Nov 9, 2024, 8:48 AM

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amazing, have one of them 433 controllers with 8 buttons, had one automation for each now combined in 1 😄

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