#Program 800 series devkit
dull mason
im following steps it worked no errors first time but neither the built in zwave controller nor zwave js could see the controller so i tried to start again now the errors have started so ive probably bricked it somehow
fast pendant
For the erasing, you can also try Simplicity Commander:
dull mason
i just want to factory reset and start again but i cant see now way to do that
ok opened that and selected the device
is it erase chip?
fast pendant
unlock debug access should also work, but erase chip definitely does
Afterwards open your bootloader project and make sure you have this one:
UART XMODEM Z-WAVE
right-click, run as, ...ARM program
dull mason
says could not erase chip error code invalid mcu info
fast pendant
try the "recover bricked device" button at the bottom
dull mason
if i do unlock debug access says chip successfully unlocked
fast pendant
oh cool, then don't do anything else now
dull mason
should lock not then be an option?
fast pendant
we don't want to lock
dull mason
thats still greyed out
fast pendant
or can you erase now?
fast pendant
thats still greyed out
maybe need to reopen the dialog
but if it's successfully unlocked, it should be good to go anyways
dull mason
no erase worked now
fast pendant
ok, then bootloader now
dull mason
flashed
fast pendant
ok, now back to the project selection
dull mason
yep
dull mason
done
fast pendant
now it should work
open sapphire
Can I ask what all the flashing was for? I've only ever had to install the demo controller app.
dull mason
im running zwavejs on my windows pc as not ready to exclude include all my deivces today so just testing
fast pendant
Can I ask what all the flashing was for? I've only ever had to install the demo ...
I went through all of this with @unkempt girder and he couldn't change region without erasing the chip first
it was stuck on "unknown"
dull mason
yay shows up but says 700 series.....
fast pendant
yay shows up but says 700 series.....
yah that's fine
open sapphire
Do you know what version was installed prior?
fast pendant
need to update the label to "700/800 series"
fast pendant
Do you know what version was installed prior?
no
dull mason
Silicon Labs USB Controller 700 Series
fast pendant
maybe an incompatible one
fast pendant
Silicon Labs USB Controller 700 Series
the default fingerprint is the same on all firmwares, so we cannot distinguish what we're talking to
dull mason
ah k
whats best way to factory reset a controller so say i pair a couple devices to my pc to tested all working now i want to move to HA which is running my old 500 series stick etc
whats best way to start again on HA make sure nothing paired to new stick so then i can go round factory reset devices and include
open sapphire
Hard Reset in ZUI, Factory Reset in HA will wipe the controller.
If you use Windows PC Controler you can use their NWE mode to mass exclude devices.
fast pendant
yah, you may want to wait before re-including a lot of devices
dull mason
meh ill just factory reset and include one by one
fast pendant
dull mason
i just want to make sure after im done playing nothing is paired to this new stick
fast pendant
only need to fix my tests 🙂
dull mason
would erase and flashing again to the stick get rid of any device pairings?
fast pendant
only need to fix my tests 🙂
but not today 😴
fast pendant
would erase and flashing again to the stick get rid of any device pairings?
on the controller, yes. the devices are still part of the no longer existing network.
a factory reset in Z-Wave JS UI would achieve the same
fast pendant
in the 🪄 menu
dull mason
doh was looking in the settings menu lol
would it be best to uninstall zwave js ui addon on HA after a factory reset then remove the 500 stick plug in new stick install zwave js ui again would that start afresh
open sapphire
You could uninstall Z-Wave integration, then the add-on, to start over. Assuming you don't want to wait for migration support (and your 500 supports it).
dull mason
when will migration support from my 500 to 800 work?
open sapphire
When the PR just posted by Al is complete and a new version is released.
dull mason
so i wouldnt need to repair anything?
dull mason
aeotec gen 5
open sapphire
needs to be v1.2 (1.02) to do that
dull mason
yea its on that i upgraded few weeks back wanted to try smart start but zwave js doesnt every want to work with my phone camera
open sapphire
Well, you can scan QR codes and decode as text and enter as well, or upload images.
If you want to wait a little longer (I don't know how long, but seems close), you can just migrate w/o starting over.
dull mason
i already have some 700 series devices will they get the new benifits once can migrate to the 800 series controller without needing to factory reset?
open sapphire
there's no difference
dull mason
got a mix of 500 and 700 series devices
do 700 series not meant to have better range than 500 series
open sapphire
the devices can
functionality is the same
700/800 controller has better sensitivity
fast pendant
like I shared on my screenshots, I also got better range on the 500 series plug with the 800 series controller. In my case the range was limited by the controller, not the end device.
so... it depends
dull mason
need to remove the last range extender i got as seems with new controller placement nothing is using it really anyway these sensor i put it there for still seem to contronnect direct to controller and with this new controller with the nice little aerial hoping range will be even better
open sapphire
@silent @fast pendant How are you measuring the range to make the diagrams?
dull mason
im just checking which route the messages from the furthest devices took to reach controller
nothing is relying on the range extender so seems to be doing nothing
think ill wait for migration if its closish i wont be able to start for 5 days anyway too much work whilst im at work this 5 days
open sapphire
The ease of starting over really depends on what kinds of devices you have and how many.
fast pendant
@silent <@173493678256422913> How are you measuring the range to make the diagra...
I tried including and the measurements came from Z-Wave JS UI diagnostics
fast pendant
https://ibb.co/Xsz0Wf8
that doesn't look too shabby
open sapphire
Looks a bit better than mine. I have a few 9.6k routes, although they work fine.
dull mason
4 dropped messages out of 7000 so far all 4 are on outside contact sensor
It's a 700 series device so was hoping with new 800 series controller and its nice antenna would help that issue and I can also get rid of tje garage Repeater seems as the two contact sensor out there are connecting direct to controller anyway
For zignee only 32 direct connections to controller are allowed is there a limit on zwave?
dull mason
K cool
open sapphire
LR claims to support 4000+ devices
dull mason
Bought some zooz 700 series water sensors
To replace some zigbee ones that are being returned due to stupid design
So I'll have about 30ish zwave devices by end and about 90 zigbee
@fast pendant @open sapphire thanks for help look forward to switching over to my new controller soon 😀
open sapphire
Enjoy
dull mason
@fast pendant
Made a basic case has mounts to screw board into case then lid with a bit of ventilation on side and hole in top for antenna to stick out from
need to print a prototype make sure all fits
fast pendant
Cool!
dull mason
Cool!
https://youtu.be/lktIFOcg7GI?si=jCaNH62f0JtIV7Sk
Does this work for migrating from 500 to 800?
open sapphire
Just wait for a new version of ZUI, probably won't take long
fast pendant
Just wait for a new version of ZUI, probably won't take long
I'd expect one tomorrow probably
fast pendant
https://ibb.co/WgFcck6
We should share that somewhere
dull mason
https://github.com/zwave-js/zwave-js-ui/releases/tag/v9.9.0
Is that the release with the 500 to 800 upgrade
fast pendant
yeah
dull mason
We should share that somewhere
Yea happy to share the files
No update showing for addon yet in HA
dull mason
Not sure when Frenck will update it but hopefully soonish
dull mason
Still no addon update 😪 my 800 series controller all ready to go go go go lol
open sapphire
New ZUI was only released yesterday. Add-on updates can lag variably.
Looks like a build was done, so it's just a matter of it being released
dull mason
@fast pendant addons has been updated what do I do a nvm backup and restore to new controller? Sorry don't want to muck anything up
open sapphire
take a backup of original stuck, plug in new stick, reconfigure ZUI with new stick path, restore NVM
make backup of add-on before
I would also disable HA Z-Wave integration while doing so
dull mason
Darn already started made back ups but didn't disable addon
dull mason
take a backup of original stuck, plug in new stick, reconfigure ZUI with new sti...
How do all the sleeping devices know to talk to the new controller now?
All seems to be back up but what would happen if I plugged old stick back in would it all reconnect back to that stick?
open sapphire
They talk to the controller with the home ID they were included with
If you put the old back in, it would work the same.
If you had two running at the same time, bad things
They aren't "connections" like something on the internet. The nodes broadcast messages with source and destination node IDs.
dull mason
They aren't "connections" like something on the internet. The nodes broadcast me...
So I never reset my old stick incase it didn't work and had to go back what's best way to factory reset now if I plug it into my pc and reset won't it cause an issue with 2 controllers online?
open sapphire
There may be some momentary conflict. Nothing is going to blow up.
Shutdown the current controller if you're worried.
dull mason
Well spoke bit soon the controller has failed and now locked my GF out the house so I'm now in big trouble
Controller was working all night but now has failed and getting this error tried a full system reboot but still zwave js says can't connect to controller
Looks like gonna have to go back to old controller unable to fix remotely and I'm at work
fast pendant
are you using serial/by-id paths?
dull mason
Yes I am
dull mason
Trying the /dev path now but not looking promising
Both proxmox and HA can see the device connected so no idea why after 12 hours it's died
Even with the dev path it's not working
dull mason
are you using `serial/by-id` paths?
Pulling the usb out and plugging back in again fixed it once I was home but why would it have failed? Might have to switch back to aeotec stick going on holiday soon and need it to work reliably.
open sapphire
Need full driver logs
dull mason
Need full driver logs
Sorry should have known
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-zLb55t43aZl5ZfgjaMJbWzC6-BtTVGN/view?usp=drivesdk
06:24 am is where it looks like it stops working
open sapphire
not sure, but could be the 700/800 controller bug
controller can lockup, no workarounds
fast pendant
Usually they would recover after a while though
dull mason
Usually they would recover after a while though
It's doing same thing again controller is going unresponsive ever 10 seconds then recovering for about 10 seconds then faulting again it also did it yesterday looking at HA history
Is this a zwave js issue or a controller issue and I'll have to return it
fast pendant
Is this included in your driver log above?
dull mason
Yes it's the same behavior as yesterday
The controllers appears to be stable for about 12 to 14 hours then starts going unresponsive then ready then unresponsive and keeps repeating for several hours then dies completely until I unplug and plug back in again
open sapphire
See if there are any USB errors in your OS logs.
dull mason
See if there are any USB errors in your OS logs.
Not seeing any issues in proxmox logs
I'm guessing it's gonna be the controller itself for some reason as my gen 5 stick was same usb port same cable and didn't have this issue
open sapphire
You're not using a VM?
dull mason
I'm running haos on proxmox
open sapphire
that's a VM, no? did you check the VM OS logs?
dull mason
I've looked in proxmox logs HA core logs HA host logs and supervisor logs unable to see anything to do with a USB issue
open sapphire
There have been USB issues with HAOS. Doesn't sound like you're using HAOS then.
Just trying to explore any possibilities.
dull mason
I'm willing to bet if I plugged my old controller back in issue would go away only change point is the new controller
I just don't know if its a controller itself causing issue or an issue zwave js has with the 800 series controller I'm using
dull mason
fast pendant
The log looks like the connection to the stick is lost for some reason, and never re-established.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is that it reconnects under a different port (which is why I asked about serial/by-id paths, which you aren't using apparently):
DRIVER opening serial port /dev/ttyACM1
Or it reconnects and the VM passthrough doesn't work afterwards.
Which OS is your host? Can you run ser2net on it? If yes, you could try https://zwave-js.github.io/node-zwave-js/#/usage/tcp-connection to remove VM passthrough from the equation
dull mason
The log looks like the connection to the stick is lost for some reason, and neve...
I'm running the hasos proxmox image.
The issue has happened both when using dev path and serial by id path.
The issue doesn't occur when using my aeotec gen 5 stick same usb port etc only change point is the new zgm230 controller but I don't get why it works for like 12 hours then starts throwing a wobbly
dull mason
Would a usb issue not affect the gen 5 stick too though?
fast pendant
Different hardware, might behave differently
In your log it happens out of the blue. One second it is fine, the next it's gone
dull mason
Think I'm gonna return the zgm230 and stick to my gen 5 till someone makes a 800 series uk controller like aeotec etc
open sapphire
You could also run ZUI directly in a container and see if there's a difference in behavior
similar to using tcp serial
dull mason
Problem I have is I'm going on holiday in 2 days and by time I'm back return window will have closed and I'm at work for next 2 days so don't have any time to figure this out 😦
If its mever figured out gonna have a £65 paper weight
The fact it just disappears completely would maybe point to the controller before based off I've never had any usb issues on multiple other devices connected to HA
Might not be right but I don't have the skill set to figure this out 😦
Appreciate both your help though
open sapphire
This is the 800 dev kit? I have not seen any issues with it, personally. I don't use proxmox or VMs though. Could be a single bad device, who knows w/o exploring other options. 🤷♂️
dull mason
Might revisit this at a later date just don't want to miss the return window if it is faulty
Might just be like you say a bad unit
Also the WAF is in sharp decline especially after yesterday when the controller died completely she got locked out the house as she didn't take a key and wanted to unlock the door using her phone.... which uses zwave 😬😬😬😬
open sapphire
Well, that sounds like a general problem, not specific to Z-Wave. Should always be a failsafe.
Lock doesn't have a keypad?
What if your wifi/internet was offline? What if HA crashed? etc.
dull mason
We have a key card but she hadn't taken it with her