Are the fees actually that high? From

[subtle coyote]

It is less decent to name my sources; but here's a public one for example https://www.reddit.com/r/MatterProtocol/comments/18umpnc/the_high_cost_of_matter_certification_a_startups/

[astral glacier]

20k? I really dont think thats s lot.

If you dont want to/are able to invest that you should probably not realease tje product anyway

[honest bronze]

I think the only problem is for very small startups. Once you hit a certain treshold its no longer an issue.

[honest bronze]

Exactly, the fee is high enough to also scare away companies that are too small too be sustainable. Its a bit crude maybe but you also do not want to see all kind of abandoned products. Its a bit of a thin line between the two. I think those small startups should really unite forces - a bit like tuya but better

[astral glacier]

Considering the cost of developing hardware and other needed certifications, this is probably nothing

[honest bronze]

yeah that is also what I heard

[astral glacier]

And considering the amount of money bigger companies have put into the standard, you can't really complain about having to contribute a bit

[astral glacier]

Sometimes you can use certifications from a chip vendor, but im not sure when this applies

[honest bronze]

yes, that program is used very often actually

so you base your endproduct on an already certified matter chip

[astral glacier]

aren't you talking about thread certification?

Don't you still need a new matter certification if you develop your product based on a chip?

[honest bronze]

Well, no matter has some ways of repurposing existing certifications

[astral glacier]

didn't know that. Does that mean that you just have to certify your "modifications"? Or is the whole stack already certified?

[honest bronze]

whole stack

[subtle coyote]

Thread is actually another story, some products just bypass that, you would find some Matter-over-thread devices are not even listed in Thread Group's page

@honest bronze Thx I see your point here. It is reasonable set an entry to ensure quality. But companies tend to make more profit, I would say an optimized process for certification upgrade would be good

It at least avoids fragmentation and offers better user experience which is critical at an early phase for Matter. And this would help lead a positive loop - company love to upgrade with less cost - better user experience - more users go in - more companies contribute to Matter (also more member fees for CSA)

[astral glacier]

thats actually really bad in my opinion