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dusk cipher Aug 9, 2023, 7:28 PM

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It was me, there's no solution I know of other than buying a TV with a better integration

frail narwhal Aug 9, 2023, 7:33 PM

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FYI they all suck

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but samsung is espeically bad

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bravia seems OK but it has it's own issues

dusk cipher Aug 9, 2023, 7:34 PM

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Roku ... rocks

frail narwhal Aug 9, 2023, 7:34 PM

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yep, that's what I use

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but MAN do they collect your data

dusk cipher Aug 9, 2023, 7:35 PM

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Sure, but you either get janky integrations, or they know all the NetFlix you watch

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Jokes on them, we don't use any of the apps 🤣

frail narwhal Aug 9, 2023, 7:35 PM

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Yeah, IMO the only reason I integrate my TV is for the on/off ability

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which roku can do

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or a broadlink

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and possibly the input selections

dusk cipher Aug 9, 2023, 7:36 PM

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Yeah, I like it as it means I can finally turn the TV of automatically when the Sky TV box and PS5 are both off, and "somebody" forgot to turn the TV off

frail narwhal Aug 9, 2023, 7:42 PM

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I still use a logictech remote to do all that kind of stuff

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but when I get my next TV...

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GOODBYE logitech

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HA makes it so you can pretty much do that

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:08 PM

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that doesn't sound great - especially for automations, also what I recognised is that, if you turn it on via the classic signal to the TV, it turns on ONLY if it was actually turned off (not in the grace period), buuut during that period you can turn it on/off via the remote integration

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it would be great to be able to create a sensor to figure out what's the real status of the tv and, based on that, I think it would be possible to work out a stable on/off mechanism

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:10 PM

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A energy monitor on the TV's plug

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:10 PM

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uh that's smart

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I should try to read more about samsung APIs though, because maybe there is something indicating that the TV is in this sort of "idle" status

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:13 PM

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I doubt it

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these companies do the bare minimum

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they want you using thier stuff, not other stuff using them

dusk cipher Aug 10, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Also they don't have a consistent API over time

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:14 PM

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yeah, that's a major one too

dusk cipher Aug 10, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Different generations of TV have different OSs and different APIs

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:15 PM

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Yamaha is actually one of the few companies that does have this, but they don't make TVs

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So I use my yamaha reciever and roku to do basically everything

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and I just have an on/off thing for my TV and nothing else is plugged into the TV

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:16 PM

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but they do have a smarthing app if I am not mistaken and I hardly doubt that does not work in recognising the tv status, that kinda gives me confidence there

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:16 PM

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yes, but what you aren't understanding still, is that the app uses thier own api and it's not the same api they give out to customers

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Just look at Alexa

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you can't get anything out of those devices, yet they still have an app

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and samsung is notorious for this type of thing

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They have ads on thier TV UI, that should show you their intentions

dusk cipher Aug 10, 2023, 4:18 PM

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The app probably uses a private cloud API

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:18 PM

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it does

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My parents own samsung, I refuse to buy them

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but I have my parents house automated

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I ended up disconnecting the TVs from the internet, and use a broadlink for on/off w/ an energy monitor. The TV stays on HDMI1 w/ a yamaha network receiver doing all the work

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now it's a TV with full control.

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:20 PM

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frail narwhal They have ads on thier TV UI, that should show you their intentions

I gotta say ads in the TV are really off putting and one of the reasons why I'd struggle to buy samsung again .. it's astonishing they contractually can

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Well, you can always go with another brand.

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:20 PM

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dusk cipher The app probably uses a private cloud API

that's likely yes, I will anyhow try to understand a bit more about home assistant when it comes to development, so far I have been just a very passive user

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:21 PM

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frail narwhal Well, you can always go with another brand.

I'd consider doing so for a future tv for sure, also because tizen os has a very limited ecosystem

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

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You can get a broadlink for $50 that can control your TV

patent mango Aug 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

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to be honest, the more I see this type of hardware, including google minis, chromecast, and all of that, the more I dream of white labeled hardware ehe

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controlling is "easy", it's the TV status that is driving me insane, but maybe that would work via a broadlink as you mentioned

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I just the idea to put an extra piece of hardware because the tv is that dumb -.-

frail narwhal Aug 10, 2023, 4:25 PM

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So, all logitech and these other remote companies do is keep a boolean in the background

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they frequently get out of sync if you use a separate remote

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so, this is nothing new

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I removed the batteries from the other remotes and hid them.

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they can only use 1 remote

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I used to keep remotes out so I could fix things and I put a big sticker that implied do not touch on them. They still touched them.

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if you want a bullet proof system, build it and make sure they can only use 1 avenue to do things.

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