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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 11:52 AM

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Hi deadhoused, can you show the configuration of that zen15 device? especially, according to the documentation (https://www.support.getzooz.com/kb/article/616-zen15-power-switch-ver-1-06-advanced-settings/) of that device it has a parameter 172, called 'Energy Report Frequence' that when set to 0 disables the device from sending energy reports to the controller (HA). Don't set it to low, as sending updates very frequently can overload your z-wave mesh. I suggest setting it to something representing like 5 minutes or so, i.e. 300 seconds. This will make the device send out an update of the energy used every 5 minutes. i.e. you'll get an update of the energy used every 5 minutes. Getting a periodic report is usually fine for energy readings, but if you're interested in instantaneous measurements like Current (A), Voltage (V) and Power (W), you'll often want to receive those values whenever it changes, not periodically. So your ZEN15 has different configuration parameters for that too: 151: Power Wattage Report Value Threshold and 152: Power Report Percentage Threshold. You may want to set 151 to somewhat less than the default 50, depending on the device you attach, but again, don't set it to low, as there may be small variations during the running of the attached device and these could then many reports, again overloading your z-wave mesh network. My fridge draws arond 45 Watts when active, i.e. that will not trigger a Power report from this device when defaults are active. I suggest you set 151 to 5 or so. Then there's still parameter 152, that seems to be an alternative method of determining when to trigger a Power report. I don't know exactly how to use this, but if you still don't get any reports after changing the both other parameters, try lowering this parameter a little to see if that helps. Default is 10%, so you could try 5% to see if that works.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 2:42 PM

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So I set them really low to see if it would do anything. Currently it’s the only a-wave device I have on the network

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 3:18 PM

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I'm on a slippery slope here, because I set my z-wave up some months ago (and mostly forgot how I did it), and after that I learned that the way I did it may not have been the preferred way, but at the same time I could not get definite information on how I should have done it either. But for me it works and all other methods I tried didn't. Seeing that you recently installed it, you probably remember which components you used/what instructions you followed?
I've got Z-Wave JS UI installed, and from the Z-Wave JS Web UI page (or the tab on the left side) I can get into an interface that shows all z-wave devices and lets me control them directly. Do you have Z-Wave JS UI installed too?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 3:21 PM

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I have the z-wave js installed but not the ui

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I'm installing it now

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And thank you for the help. I really do appreciate it

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 3:25 PM

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If you do, you can go in there and see what the values in your device are. Follow my pictures to find & open the device you want to look at. (Click the device in the control panel to 'expand' it, the find the Meter Values section. Expand that with the down triangle)

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Be careful Z-Wave JS UI can also implement a z-wave JS server. If yours is already working, configure Z-Wave JS UI to NOT use it's own Z-Wave JS server. This is where things went strange for me: I never got exactly clear which it is that I'm using right now. I only know that I could get one to connect to the usb port, and the other I couldn't. Be carefull you don't break your setup because of my instructions....

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 3:33 PM

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Yea I must have done something wrong. I am not seeing the device in the JS UI

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:11 PM

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hmm, that could also mean that z-wave js ui isn't working properly.

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Could you have a look at the log in the add-on page?

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Do you see nay messages in there confirming that js ui can communicate with z-wave js?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:13 PM

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:14 PM

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ok, so there is a problem communicatin g with z-wave JS

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sorry, z-wave js has an issue connecting to the z-wave stick.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Wonder if I should start from scratch since I only have one device. Just uninstall all the z-wave and stat with the ui first

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:15 PM

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nah, don't just yet. Let's first see if we can find what's wrong. What z-stick do you have?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Zooz 800 Series Z-Wave Long Range S2 USB Stick ZST39 LR

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:17 PM

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ah, that's funny. I was thinking of buying that one too monday. But this is totally irrellevant for us now 🙂

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:17 PM

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Haha I figured since it was the newest that either It would work great or it would give me a ton of problems lol

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This is what is showing in the UI

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Same here. I'm on z-stick gen5 and having some interference issues lately, so figured that new stick could help but was a bit afraid because I could not find much items saying that it worked ok.

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That /dev/ttyUSB01, did it auto detect that or did you enter that?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:19 PM

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I selected it

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Mine is on /dev/ttyACM0. Is that in your list to select too?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Yes

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Can you give that a try?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:21 PM

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Done and this is the new error

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:22 PM

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Ah, that I do know. This is the issue I was trying to alert you for. You've now got 2 Z-wave JS servers active. Seems the other is keeping the z-stick locked.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:23 PM

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:25 PM

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But how to fix it... In the #zwave-archived channel they will most likely be able to tell you this in a few seconds (or point you to the correct topic). I'm scrolling through the screens to see if I can find what to ask you for...

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If you go into the settings of z-wave js UI, in the Home Assistant section, do you have WS Server enabled or not?

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atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Yes

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:30 PM

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ok, so at least you've got the same settings here that I do. And I'm pretty sure that serial port must be /dev/ttyACM0 for that zooz stick also. At least the fact that is locked now makes me think we're on the right path. Now lets see if I can find how to disable the other JS. Can you first see of a reboot of the HA machine frees up the port?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:30 PM

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I'll give it a try

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:32 PM

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Do you remember which instructions you followed to setup z-wave initially? That could lead us to where to find how to disable the alternate webserver JS.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Unfortunately I do not

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:34 PM

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ah, I found something. In Add-ons, do you have Z-Wave JS installed? If so, you could try removing that. I do not have it installed.

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(and you would probably have to reboot again after the uninstall, sorry)

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:35 PM

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I do. I will try removing it

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:38 PM

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b.t.w. in z-wave. The devices are included with the stick, not with the controller. So even if you initially included your device via the other z-wave js, it will still be available in this z-wave js. This is also why i said to hold off from a re-install of z-wave components in HA; it most likely will not solve any inclusion issues.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:38 PM

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That worked.

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:38 PM

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ah, great

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if you click the device row, it will open to the details for that device

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:39 PM

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My fridge must be really good on power usage lol

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:40 PM

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ah, you've found it 🙂

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Now go to Configuration v1..

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and click 'Refresh jsut to be sure we've got the current settings

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Wait for the green confirmation in the top right to show that communication has completed

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:41 PM

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lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Every time you send any command to the z-stick, Z-wave JS UI will show teh results in pop-up in the top right. First to confirm the command was sent, then after some time to show the result.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Got ya

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:43 PM

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so after you clicked the refresh in the COnfiguration v1 section, did you get a successful pop-up?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Yes

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:44 PM

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ok. So now the values shown are exactly those as they are in your device. Let's look at the configuration itself.

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The both power Report parameters are both set to 0 for disabled. You can enter a value, then click the arrow next to it to update that configuration parameter in the device (and check for the pop-up to see the result).

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Ok. I set them to 1 just for testing

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:47 PM

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be careful there. 1 is very low. Your mesh is not very big yet, so it can have lot. But if you've got more devices (I've got 90) the mesh can easily be overloaded and your devices go unresponsive for a few minutes.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Ok. I will bump them up

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:50 PM

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I would set 151 to 5 to start with (the device will send a report out if the Watt value changes with at least 5 Watt). The percentage I do not know exactly: I don't know what 100% is, so I can't give you much information on what to set it to. Maybe you can see if you can find that info yourself for this ZEN15 device)

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Do see any changes yet in the meter values? Maybe you need to press the 'refresh' in the Meter box before it changes, but I think it updates automatically too...

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:53 PM

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Not yet. But I am not home to run the ice maker and the compressor may not be running. Could be why the consumption is so low

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:54 PM

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It's a good thing that it's not 0.00kWh anymore. At least some usage has been detected.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Now I just need to figure out how to add sources to the energy monitor tab lol. I have a whole home monitor showing up tomorrow

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 4:59 PM

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That Electric Consumption [kWh] entity will show up for you to include in the Energy dashboard. This will be continuously increasing. The energy dashboard will read a specific range from the statistics for that entity, so you don't need to do anything like setting up a utility meter resetting each day or such.

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Do you have energy metering for your whole house already? maybe from your solar integration or a smart meter reader?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:00 PM

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I have this coming tomorrow

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Wow, that's a lot of metering 🙂 What communication does that use?

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:03 PM

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Wifi. I have to find the page again on how to integrate it with HA

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https://github.com/magico13/ha-emporia-vue

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:05 PM

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ok, nice one. I'm not a big fan of wifi devices, but this IS a massive device 🙂

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:06 PM

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Same. I wanted to go with the sense brand but was out of the alloted budget my wife gave me lol

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:08 PM

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At minimum you need one CT on the main input, plus one on the solar panels. next ones you can add on any individiual consumer groups you have. Given that you know the production from solar, plsu how much came in from and went out to the grid you can know your whole-house usage. Then the other 14 ct's can be used to find consumption per group.

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nice setup...

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:09 PM

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That's the plan. Really interested to see how much my shop uses between A/C and I have a few laser machines and a cnc router lol

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Thank you so mch for your help

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much*

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:10 PM

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ah, yes, that's gonna give some nice diagrams... 🙂

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This is what I'm doing currently:

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:11 PM

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That looks super clean

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Is that graph in HA?

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:14 PM

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To the left are the 'inputs': solar + grid power @ night tarif + grid power @ day tarif. 2nd level is total energy flowing throughout the period. 3rd level is Total energy used + energy output to the grid @ day & night tarif. Next level is total usage per area + remaining (= unmetered devices) and the right most level is the energy usage per metered device

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It is a custom card from HACS called Sankey Chart Card

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I'm still experimenting with it. Seeing what works best and what gives me best insights.

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I think this cartds is cool most of all because it works with the energy dashboard's period controls in the top: you can dynamically select to see the totlas per day, week, month or even year.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:18 PM

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I still have so much to learn with HA. Especially with writing yaml lol

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I was nervous to even ask for help here because my knowledge is so little with all of this

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:19 PM

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yeah, so do i. I came from Domoticz and was used to writing lua scripts. That was fun. yaml not so much :-(.

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When you're ready for it, just send me a message and I'll show you what I've got to start from.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:20 PM

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With yaml?

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:21 PM

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ha, that too. but I've got a huge to learn there too. No, what I meant was the energy distribution card.

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:22 PM

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Oh. Yea. That would be great

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:23 PM

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on yaml, will be mostly a similar session as this one: "try this" and "try that" 🙂

atomic karma Jun 28, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Sometimes that's the best way lol

lavish bough Jun 28, 2023, 5:24 PM

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yeah. Going down to my wife now. She's been waiting for me. See you later!

#My fridge I have even used the ice