#Wow very techy My friends thought I was

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autumn fox
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here's a thread so we don't annoy everyone

calm turtle
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šŸ‘

autumn fox
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if you're interested, you can run proxmox in a VM on your current machine, so you can try it out.

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PS: there are a bunch of "easy install" scripts by a guy who's on here, that mean you can just run an installer command, and it'll download and create a VM for your tools

calm turtle
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There's one for Home Assistant I believe in there ^ pretty sure that's what I used.. although it's been a while šŸ˜‚

autumn fox
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yup, that's what I used; though I had to resize the disk recently.

viscid sinew
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The only thing with running it on my current pc is that the pc has to stay on 24/7 doesnā€™t it? Itā€™s a shame as my pc is only a year old so would be perfect for this!

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Whereas one of them Lenovo would be ideal?

autumn fox
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Something like a lenovo is about the same price as a raspberry pi (once you get all the bits), but 5 times the computer for your money.

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Lenovo is about 25W of power consumption.

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Your desktop PC is probably >100W

calm turtle
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^

viscid sinew
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Ok, so buy that Ā£60 you showed me earlier?

autumn fox
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Then (if you plan to run more than HA on it) upgrade the memory

calm turtle
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Even if you plan on a good amount of addons I'd upgrade it to 16gb

autumn fox
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HA itself needs less than 4, but if you want to run other fun things... šŸ™‚

calm turtle
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You don't have to assign all 16gb to HA of course šŸ˜›

viscid sinew
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Ok, I take it the Ā£35 one wouldnā€™t be sufficient? I did only plan to run HA on it but by the sound of your ideas Iā€™ll be running a whole town on it šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

autumn fox
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I've got ~5 addons and my HAOS gets ~2.5GB of ram

calm turtle
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You start to realize all the stuff you can self host

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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The 35GB one is OK, but has physical disk, and less memory, and maybe not remote management.

viscid sinew
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Or is that something completely different šŸ¤£

autumn fox
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You can run storage apps on your proxmox (or expose drives directly to samba/fileshare) but you'll be limited by how much disk you put in it.

calm turtle
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calm turtle
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A 2.5" hard drive should work

autumn fox
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I'd buy the Ā£65.00 yes. The seller has good feedback, and >1200 sales.

calm turtle
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^ and it's a WAYY better value haha

viscid sinew
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If I commit to buy you have to commit to helping me with this proxmox thing and stuff šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

autumn fox
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I'm always around, but it's pretty easy man šŸ™‚

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"always" but in my timezone (AU)

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A sff machine like that is waaaay better than a raspberry pi, especially one with a sd-card

calm turtle
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I'm Central Time šŸ‘€

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Hahaha thank you both so much, I really appreciate it. Iā€™ve spent all day watching numerous YouTube videos and forums trying to get my head around it. What time is it in Aus now??

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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0921 Monday

calm turtle
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currently 6:22 pm here

viscid sinew
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Oh wow, im ordering that Lenovo now, is there anything else I need for it?

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Oh itā€™s 00:22 here šŸ˜“

calm turtle
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autumn fox
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in order to get proxmox installed, you want to ensure you have a cable so you can see the screen. probably a DP plug on the computer end.

calm turtle
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Zigbee runs on 2.4Ghz (similarly to WiFi, but make sure you know they aren't compatible with each other)

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A benefit to Zigbee would be the devices never access the outside internet. They only talk to your USB/Gateway for Zigbee.

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Z-Wave is similar but runs on I believe 900ish Mhz

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it's also more expensive typically

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due to the products having to be certified

autumn fox
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I don't like my devices talking to the internet, but I haven't got around to using VLANs yet. I do block a few of them on my firewall though...

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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Yes. I didn't have any, so had to buy a cable.

calm turtle
autumn fox
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DP -> hdmi or dvi or whatever your monitor takes

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I use opnsense, which can do all that stuff, but I need to configure my switches first, and understand how proxmox and the opnsense VM handle trunk ports.

calm turtle
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The main reason I went with UniFi is because everything is basically plug and play (and it integrates with my wifi aps well)

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I also plan on getting a G4 Doorbell Pro so I needed it so I can set it up and have it record onto the DMP

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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yeah, I'm playing with tp-link omada, to make it a bit more centrally managed, but I haven't pushed the Buy button yet. My existing switches are non-omada tp-link, which support vlan, but need to be configured on each.

calm turtle
autumn fox
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I'm not goign to use their router, just their APs, and maybe switches.

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I run the omada controller on my proxmox šŸ™‚

calm turtle
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Yeah just thought I'd let you know, not sure how the APs and Switches are

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The APs look huge haha

autumn fox
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@viscid sinew there are variants of the m910qs with different outputs. One of mine has hdmi+dp, the other has two dp.

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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All you need is a cable with the right ends on it, they're compatible on the wires.

calm turtle
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So all of your WiFi stuff is going to stay WiFi (you can't convert it to Zigbee) šŸ˜…

autumn fox
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Looking at your ebay photos, yours has two DP

calm turtle
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So you'd need a DisplayPort to HDMI (cable or adapter)

autumn fox
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Yup. Should be like 5 quid?

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4K HD Display Port DP Male To HDMI Female Adapter Converter For 1080P HDTV PCOpens in a new window or tab
Brand new
Ā£3.27

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But a cable is easier than an adapter if you have to borrow the rest of the cable from your other PC.

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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.8M QUALITY DISPLAY PORT DP TO HDMI MALE LCD PC HD TV LAPTOP AV CABLE ADAPTOROpens in a new window or tab
Brand new
Ā£4.95

calm turtle
autumn fox
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you don't want to go VGA, it's old and analogue and low-res

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Go HDMI or DVI

calm turtle
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^

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The adapter may come in handy in the future for other computers

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also

autumn fox
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See what's on the back of your monitor. Maybe you've got a DP port. So can go dp-dp

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technically DP is higher spec than hdmi

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autumn fox
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or to fix it if you need to. afterwards you use the web interface or ssh

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do you mean literally VGA? You don't want to do that, man, that's analogue!

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or do you mean DVI?

calm turtle
autumn fox
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HDMI should pretty much be the default now. VGA is terrible, man. You will get poor quality screen, lower refresh rates, etc.

calm turtle
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you want something like this šŸ™‚

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autumn fox
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if you're actually using VGA you'll be amazed the difference going to a digital cable (DVI, HDMI, DP, usb-c) makes

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which video card do you have? only one of them actually supports "vga"

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and you shouldn't be using it bro, seriously.

viscid sinew
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Rarely use the computer nowadays though, always phone or iPad!

calm turtle
autumn fox
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even the onboard graphics supports HDMI 1.4b. PLease use that!

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Which monitor do you have?

calm turtle
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I think he said he has dual screens

autumn fox
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do you have an addon video card, or just the one that's on the motherboard? you mentioned something about a splitter?

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calm turtle
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That looks like it's using the motherboard/processor graphics

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Not much you can do in that case

autumn fox
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if the onboard supports driving both screens separately, maybe you could connect one to HDMI and one to VGA separately, with no splitter.

viscid sinew
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Actuallyā€¦ā€¦ itā€™s not vga. Whatā€™s the other type of connection that looks like VGA but wider?? Canā€™t think of it šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

calm turtle
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DVI?

autumn fox
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See the link I pasted above for the video plug types

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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Hmmm if you have DVI, you must have an after-market video card?

viscid sinew
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My screens are probably around 5-6 years old so need to double check what connections they haveā€¦. Pretty sure itā€™s only VGA & DVI on them.

autumn fox
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I know we're getting totally offtopic here, but we can probably help you really massively improve your video display.

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DVI is way better than VGA

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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What video card do you have? What ports are on the back of it?

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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VGA is really bad, man, like 90s stuff

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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DVI-digital has been around since 2002

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I get that, but you said you had an addon video card inside the computer?

viscid sinew
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Oh I get you, just the DVI connection

autumn fox
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So you have two "video cards" - the onboard one (which is VGA+HDMI) and the extra one (which is DVI)?

calm turtle
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Are you running windows 10 or 11?

viscid sinew
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Iā€™m pretty sure it had a HDMI connection but had never used the HDMI beforeā€¦.. or it might have been because the screens didnā€™t have a HDMI connection. Sorry it was a while ago now

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autumn fox
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You may be able to use them both at the same time, I think, and connect one to the HDMI and one to the DVI.

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which monitors do you have?

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Iā€™m not on my computer at the mo, currently in bed on my phone! šŸ¤£

calm turtle
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ah, no problem!

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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Guess I should have assumed that given the time šŸ‘€

autumn fox
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Come back to us sometime. If you monitors support HDMI or DVI, you'll get a much better picture with that, than a VGA splitter. And possibly higher resolution.

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VGA is analog, which means smeary screens, and shadows, and low refresh and resolutions...

viscid sinew
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Iā€™ll check in the morning and come back to you! But like I say I rarely use my computer now days, I have a work laptop and if Iā€™m not on that then Iā€™m on my phone so not overly bothered

autumn fox
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OK, so maybe it doesn't matter then šŸ™‚

viscid sinew
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Well I say up to dateā€¦ they arenā€™t your average computer screen if that makes any sense!

autumn fox
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But once you know what monitors you have, you will know which inputs they support, and can get the right/best cable for your thinkcentre, as well as maybe fixing your computer šŸ™‚

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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Most monitors have multiple inputs, of multiple types, so you can use the monitor input-select to change between them, and leave your devices connected.

calm turtle
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I also just noticed that pc has a hard drive. Oof.

autumn fox
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I use a laptop every day, which is connected via usb-c, but I had my nonprod proxmox connected via DP->hdmi

viscid sinew
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Yeah Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s just DVI and VGA, I also upgraded the RAM, took 4 GB out of my old pc and put it in my new one šŸ¤£

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calm turtle
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calm turtle
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You can make your computer way faster for pretty cheap by getting an SSD

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Oh really? Never wouldā€™ve thought that!

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I thought the spec was fairly decent but then I mainly look at the ram and Storage of hard drive šŸ™„

autumn fox
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yeah, neither of those are too important for performance šŸ™‚

calm turtle
autumn fox
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in fact (and I don't mean to insult!) but the lenovo is a better workstation than that one šŸ™‚

calm turtle
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^

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calm turtle
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An SSD drive makes a big difference

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it's the best upgrade to the computer you can do

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You can make a 10 year old computer feel blazing fast haha

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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Technically the dell CPU is twice as fast as the lenovo, but the SSD is more important for day-to-day performance

calm turtle
autumn fox
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it says "256 NVMe"

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It also supports dual-screen natively šŸ™‚

viscid sinew
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Oh! Everyday is a school day!! I always thought Ram is what makes the computer fast which is why I added more ram to it when I got it šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

autumn fox
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RAM does help, sure, but besides using it for running programs, RAM is used to cache (work around) slow disks

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Having (much) faster disks helps too

viscid sinew
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Ahhhh ok!

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So apart from HomeAssist what can I use this Lenovo forā€¦. In simple terms? It is 1am after all šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ I still donā€™t understand this other thing (proxmox) you said earlier but I will google it in the morning.

autumn fox
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On my 16GB lenovo/proxmox box, only about 6GB is used for the programs, the rest is used for buffers/cache to save loading from the disk...

root@pve2:~# free
               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:        16259136     6315812     6302304      105932     3641020     9477608
Swap:        8388604       26880     8361724
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You can run different operating systems, a file-server, a photo store, graphics tools, thousands of things.

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Have a look at the apps on tteck's website for example

viscid sinew
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Yeah I will have a look!

autumn fox
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Go sleep bro, then get up in the morning, and go figure out what your monitors are (so you can order a cable for the lenovo) and what your video card setup is (so maybe you can improve that for cheap)

viscid sinew
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So about Zigbe? We got sidetracked with my computer

autumn fox
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You can get USB->zigbee devices for your computer, or you can get zigbee coordinators that live on your network (ethernet or wifi) and talk to that

calm turtle
autumn fox
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google for "usb zigbee dongle"

calm turtle
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It's more secure than wifi smart home gear because there's no outside connections being made.

autumn fox
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But there's probably cheaper ones.

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I have a tubez coordinator which lives on my LAN, and HA can talk to it.

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Since my HA box is a long way from my zig devices

viscid sinew
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Silly question how will I know if my products are compatible with Zigbee?

autumn fox
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look for their label. they will say wither wifi, zigbee, or z-wave, or some proprietary sh*t

viscid sinew
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Hahaha thatā€™s another thing for me to google in the morning! I need to write a list šŸ¤£šŸ™ˆ

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Good thing itā€™s Bank Holiday tomorrow so no work!

calm turtle
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šŸ¤£ I try to avoid buying stuff like Ring just because it's not local and requires a cloud connection.

autumn fox
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You should do the monitor first, so you can order a cable, otherwise your lenovo will arrive and you won't be able to use it šŸ™‚

viscid sinew
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Just found thisā€¦. Does Kasa smart device support ZigBee, Z-Wave, IPv6 or Ethernet connection?

A: None of our TP-Link Kasa smart device supports ZigBee or Z-Wave, and they do not support wired Ethernet and IPv6 connection neither. Besides, except for KC200 and KC120 which support both 2.4GHz and 5GHz band, all of the other smart devices support only2.4GHz Wi-Fi bands.

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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Do you have ring alarm or just cameras?

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calm turtle
autumn fox
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Just wait until you discovery more home automation stuff, and power monitoring etc, lotsa fun

calm turtle
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So if you don't need monitoring you can unpair all the sensors from the Ring Hub and pair them to Home Assistant.

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calm turtle
autumn fox
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@viscid sinew I have a bunch of tp-link tapo and kasa smart switches; they use wifi

calm turtle
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The Doorbell is one of those things that can't work without a cloud connection. You'd be better off just dumping it.. it's not worth it lol

autumn fox
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I block mine from the internet at the router.

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Sooo another question for youā€¦. I bought a Tapo switch thinking it would work like the plugs and cameras but apparently I need a hub. If I setup HA does that mean I wouldnā€™t need to buy a Tapo Hub?

viscid sinew
autumn fox
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what's a tapo switch?

calm turtle
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Disarm/arm etc.

viscid sinew
autumn fox
calm turtle
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Keypads should also still work after you reprogram them

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What's the model of the Tapo switch?

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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You would be paying $0/mo to use the stuff with Home Assistant šŸ˜›

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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You can then toss the Ring base station aswell

calm turtle
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that uses a propietary protocol

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calm turtle
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Ah, yeah you can swap it over then.

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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How many ring cams do you have?

viscid sinew
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3, 2 door bells and 1 indoor cam but like I say tempted to move away from them. Just finding the right replacement

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Iā€™m loving Tapo at the mo but they donā€™t do doorbells.

viscid sinew
calm turtle
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hmm. That makes it tougher. You could go with something like Eufy but just note they had some privacy issues a couple of months ago.

autumn fox
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I have 6 tapo plugs, and 3 kasa plugs. They contribute some of the data used in the imgur graphic I posted...

calm turtle
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Eufy is probably the best option for Home Assistant compatible (to a degree) battery cameras

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calm turtle
autumn fox
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reolink cameras work pretty well now too.

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for cameras

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calm turtle
autumn fox
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I have a reolink NVR plus 4 cameras, and two more in the box waiting for me to install.

calm turtle
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Oh we're talking about battery cams

autumn fox
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Yes, they work. stargaza or whatever his name did a bunch of work recently.

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reolink have some battery cams too

viscid sinew
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I do also have 4 Swann cameras which are wired and connected to the DVRā€¦. I was thinking of getting rid of them and replacing for Tapo.

calm turtle
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It says "Battery-powered cameras are not yet supported." on the Home Assistant page šŸ¤”

autumn fox
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3 of my cams are directly wired the the NVR, and the other one is on the LAN (with POE)

calm turtle
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calm turtle
# viscid sinew BNC!

If the cables are loose you can likely replace it with CAT5e or CAT6 and use PoE cameras

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PoE cams will be better than anything else

viscid sinew
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Whatā€™s POE? šŸ¤£

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Oh šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

calm turtle
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You can get a cheap PoE network switch and plug the ethernet cables into that and the cameras will get both power and data over the single CAT cable

viscid sinew
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But I was thinking of getting rid and replacing them with Tapo onesā€¦. Would you or should I keep them?

calm turtle
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Tapo likely uses WiFi

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Wired >> WiFi

viscid sinew
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What difference would it make?

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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I just installed my first Tapo camera today and itā€™s got 2 leads from it, one power and one Ethernet

autumn fox
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does it support poe? you could inject to the eth if it does, so you only need one line

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which model tapo camera?

viscid sinew
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So this is what I put up todayā€¦ TP-Link Tapo 2K Outdoor Security Camera, Motion Detection, IP66 Weatherproof, Built-in Siren, 2-way Audio, 3MP, Night Vision, Cloud &SD Card Storage, Works with Alexa & Google Home (Tapo C310) https://amzn.eu/d/6E9wAMv

calm turtle
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Looks like that's not PoE

viscid sinew
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Then this is what Iā€™m getting delivered tomorrow Deal of the day: TP-Link Tapo 1080p Full HD Outdoor Pan/Tilt Security Wi-Fi Camera, 360Ā° Motion Detection, IP65 Weatherproof, Night Vision, Cloud &SD Card Storage, Works with Alexa&Google Home (Tapo C500) White https://amzn.eu/d/hhXiDNq

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calm turtle
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PoE is all digital.

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BNC is analog so it has to go directly to the recorder.

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As long as the PoE cameras are on your network they can connect to the recorder

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regardless of where they are connected

autumn fox
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I don't think either of those camera support PoE

calm turtle
autumn fox
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But they do support wifi, if you want one less cable.

calm turtle
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^

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Honestly, I'd return them if I were you.

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PoE would be around the same price (maybe a tid bit more) and probably be way more reliable

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You can also get 24/7 recording with PoE

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autumn fox
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šŸ¤· he's got those now. let's focus on one helping thing at a time :0

calm turtle
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autumn fox
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just because they're not POE?

calm turtle
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WiFi can be jammed relatively easily

autumn fox
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I use hardwired cameras because wifi ain't super reliable, and I don't want heaps of unnecessary 24/7 emf

calm turtle
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@viscid sinew just to add: You can run object/face detection using PoE cameras aswell (on your new server)

calm turtle
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calm turtle
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Oh yeah you should be set then

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How do your cables come out of the wall/ceiling?

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I assume there's just a hole?

viscid sinew
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This has just come up on my Amazonā€¦ Baolongking 6 PAIRS (12 Pcs) Mini CCTV BNC Video Balun Transceiver Cable https://amzn.eu/d/47StD7h

viscid sinew
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They arenā€™t damaged or anything

calm turtle
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šŸ‘ so you would need some CAT5e/6 cable to start

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I would cut off the end of the CAT cable (if it comes with one) and then use duct tape or electrical tape to tape the end of the new CAT cable to the end of the old BNC cable, then you would just end up pulling the BNC cable from the camera side and it should pull the new cable through.

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Reason i'm not suggesting using the BNC cables are because most cameras nowadays are PoE šŸ˜›

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You also get better clarity with PoE

autumn fox
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He's unlikely to have the tools/knowledge to reterminate a utp cable

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Is the hole big enough to pull the cat5/6 with the plugin on the end?

calm turtle
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^

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I totally didn't think about that..

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my bad

autumn fox
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so he'd have to use premade. my nvr+cam kit came with long cables, maybe 20m each

viscid sinew
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Sorry if I sound really dumb hereā€¦.

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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So the cameras have like a 30cm wire coming out of them, one with the twisty thing and one ACā€¦.. you then get the long cable that connect to that 30cm wire and then the other end goes to the DVR.

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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So are you saying to dispose of the long cable and replace with cat cable?

calm turtle
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It will open up your options for cameras drastically.

viscid sinew
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But donā€™t obviously dispose of the power side of things, just the cable that would connect to my DVR?

calm turtle
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PoE allows for the Power and Data to flow through the single cable.

viscid sinew
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So the twisty bit on the end of my camera I would need to cut off and then tape the Cat cable to the bit thatā€™s been cutā€¦ā€¦ then the other end of the cat cable would go into my router for example?

autumn fox
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Just so we're clear - blueiron is talking about replacing your cameras with different ones that support merging the data + power cables (ie: PoE = Power over Ethernet)

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AFK meetings now. Work, pah.

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calm turtle
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Yeah I should have explained that better

viscid sinew
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šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Right so your saying bin my Swann cameras and get POE cameras?? šŸ¤Æ

calm turtle
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I would honestly move them to a part of the house you care less about

viscid sinew
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My other half just turned over and went ā€˜itā€™s 2am in the morningā€™ šŸ‘€šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

calm turtle
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autumn fox
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go to bed man

calm turtle
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^

autumn fox
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PS: I'm installing fedora38 in a VM on my proxmox. Nice and easy! šŸ™‚

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Yes Iā€™m going to sleep! Thank you both so much for everything, Iā€™ve got plenty of research to do in the morning! Feel free to send me some links or whatever for homework šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

calm turtle
viscid sinew
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Iā€™ll update you both later! Thanks so much once again.

calm turtle
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šŸ‘

autumn fox
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šŸ‘

viscid sinew
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So my screens are HP22KD Connected to AMD Radeon HD6350 1920X1080 60HZ

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Both screens have DVI and VGA inputs of which both are connected via VGA!

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So I've just been reading up about these PoE Cameras, would I need a NVR or would they just plug direct into my router? I do also have a TP Link ethernet switch as well.

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If I bought these PoE cameras and didn't have an NVR would they need memory cards or anything? How would they record 24/7? Sorry just trying to weigh up my options and decide whether to send the tapo ones back and sell the swann system I have. I've found these ones on Amazon which seem reasonable https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reolink-Detection-Weatherproof-Surveillance-RLC-510A-5mp-Smart-Poe-Camera/dp/B08F71V8SH/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=11QV5K45NXCN6&keywords=PoE%2BCamera&qid=1683554457&sprefix=poe%2Bcamer%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

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I've got an entire server rack filled with servers and disk arrays that I can't really afford to run at the moment thanks to the current energy prices - I've been running all of my vital services with an old microsoft surface laptop for the past 12 months šŸ™‚ (only uses about 9W)

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They do indirectly (through a network switch)

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They just need to be on your network. So youā€™d need a PoE switch (or PoE Injectors)

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You can do this with Agent DVR - if you don't want to use POE, most cameras have a DC jack for direct power

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# calm turtle They just need to be on your network. So youā€™d need a PoE switch (or PoE Injecto...

I already have one of these... https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7271753?istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=c290d9a9-b5d6-423c-841d-2a559621874c&istItemId=ipxaawmaa&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157|acid:804-627-9544|cid:16595965133|agid:138274018207|tid:pla-956049489521|crid:588246381293|nw:u|rnd:7949715733970582318|dvc:c|adp:|mt:|loc:1006500&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=16595965133&utm_term=7271753&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=138274018207&utm_custom2=804-627-9544&GPDP=true&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu-KiBhCsARIsAPztUF29hHkMyIvct_eBGWYxGIcqXQb8oym-4GuFsuLy7920F4-z0bIwpUcaAhdDEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds is that the same thing??

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How many cams are you wanting?

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Wow looks brilliant, so would I install that on the computer that has the HA software?

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How do you have ha installed?

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In my case I have ha on docker with agentdvr running in it's own container

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I dont yet, I've just ordered a Lenovo ThinkCentre M910Q Tiny Computer i3-7100T 3.4GHz 8GB Ram 256 NVMe W10 #1

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I would recommend running linux and docker for the most flexibility, I run websites, ha, plex and about a dozen other services from a microsoft surface laptop in this way (9W power usage)

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ubuntu server is my go to for server installs, but if you are happier with a GUI than command line, you can install regular ubuntu or the linux flavour of choice šŸ™‚

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Ok thank you, I've just installed that ispyconnect software so just trying to figure this out

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if you want object detection you may want to look into Frigate NVR instead of Agent aswell

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Is frigate easier than agent?? lol

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Theyā€™re probably about the same.

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Frigate just integrates better with Home Assistant

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Ok I'll take a look!

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I hadn't heard of frigate before - I'll take a look as well ;

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What lead was it I needed to access the lenovo?

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hahaha thank you!

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All ordered! šŸ‘Œ

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@drifting meteor Im really struggling to link my Swann system with the software? I canā€™t find any YouTube videos eitherā€¦ donā€™t suppose you know anything at all?

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What model of swann camera do you have?

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I'm away from my computer at the moment, but if you leave the model number I'll check out the database and try and find a connection string for your

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Itā€™s a DVR4-44806 system.

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@calm turtle @autumn fox Helloooooo so while I'm waiting for the Lenovo to arrive is there anything I can do now?

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You can also experiment with Home Assistant in a VM

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Will reply properly in about 1.5hr

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Iā€™m on phone, havenā€™t looked up those monitors

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I ordered the Display to VGA in the end

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You and your sh*tty vga šŸ˜‰

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VGA is obsolete like analog tv

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Youā€™re right

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Just not very future proof. Most monitors donā€™t have vga these days I think

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šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Hehe

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My Lenovo should be here tomorrow/Wednesday! Do you know of any YouTube tutorials or anything to get started for when it comes. I donā€™t want to keep pestering you!

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Tteck pasted the link

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Also, your box will come with windows. Before you nuke it and put proxmox on, upgrade the firmware to the latest. Itā€™s easier to do then

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You can ask questions to Panzer too, he got sane machine as us, at the same time I bought my first

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Ok Iā€™ll take a look thank you! Does it include how to put promox on?

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What does nuke it mean?? Iā€™m not blowing it up šŸ¤£

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Will find url

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Online in 5

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I use ventoy USB, which I can put lots of different iso's on, including proxmox (means you only have to write a USB once, after that it's just copying ISOs)

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That too. That was the one I was looking for

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Also, check your BIOS settings (as described in the last link). You may also want to enable Intel remote management, so you can turn the box on/off, reboot etc from your machine. Be aware that if the machine is booted without a monitor plugged it disabled the GPU, so you wont be able to get a remote-console (kind a pain). You can work around that with a dummy-monitor plug, but I never did that since I'd rarely use console, and it would cause more power consumption.

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Hehhe. I have a bookmark, and a link in the "notes" section of my proxmox šŸ™‚

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Plus your advertising is all over the place šŸ™‚

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Yeah, I guess I should donate someday, especially since I'm such a tteck-script pimp all over here šŸ™‚

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done

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Thank you!

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It was only $10. Don't be too grateful šŸ™‚

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Wow thanks @autumn fox ! My DP to XX cable came today! Computer should be here tomorrow šŸ«¢šŸ«¢

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Thank you also @pale forge

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You Use it to install on the internal drive

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Then not needed

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Ok but an old usb stick is fine?

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ideally usb3 or it'll be slow

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(to boot/install)

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but fine afterwards

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Ok thank you!

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Arrives today?

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Hopefully!! It hasnā€™t got any tracking just sent via the post šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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Hasnā€™t turned up today! šŸ˜¢

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Booo

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I know right šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

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I know weā€™re in different countries but hopefully do the sameā€¦ where do you guys get your products from like plugs, bulbs etc??

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Amazon

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Any specific brand?

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Mine are mostly tp-link plugs. My bulbs are Phillips Hue but I donā€™t have many

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I bought iotawatt for power monitoring

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Iotawatt? Iā€™ll have a look at this

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What about switches like like switches/buttons?

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I have a couple of hue buttons but donā€™t use them. Mostly actually use Google home to turn lights on and off, and play music etc, not home assistant

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Do you find that your Wifi lags or anything with the amount of tp link plugs?

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No

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There are about 50 devices on my lan

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Oh wow so worrying over nothing then!

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Yeah absolutely nothing to worry about. If you can, move high-bandwidth devices to wired (more efficient, less wifi congestion, less radiation).

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high bandwith like IP cameras, mesh-router backhaul, maybe your TV, maybe your main workstation.

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HA really works best on wired, not wireless.

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Okkk yeah Iā€™m going to hook the Lenovo up via Ethernet

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Good good

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Isn't it stupid-oclock over there?

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Haha it was 10 past midnight when I replied! Lol itā€™s now 8pm!

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My Lenovo still hasnā€™t come, the seller said to me if it hasnā€™t come by tomorrow they will send out another as they didnā€™t send it tracked šŸ˜¢

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How do you hook it up for power monitoring?? We donā€™t have solar panels either!

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So when it finally arrives download HA put it onto the usb then plug into Lenovo. Then download proxmox then all good to go?

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Then after you get Proxmox installed you can install Home Assistant in a VM

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Yeah no need to download ha if you use tteck script. It does all that.

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You literally install proxmox from a usb, then open its web interface and select the terminal tab, then cut/paste one liners from tteck

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Ok! Well letā€™s hope my machine comes tomorrow! If it does I feel like Iā€™ll be up late tomorrow night šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Please be on standby! šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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So download proxmox on my current computer and then move it over to my usb to put onto the Lenovo?

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I need to go through ttechā€™s info but didnā€™t see the point until Iā€™m doing JT

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It*

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On the plus side my Zigbee Usb arrived today! Lovely little Amazon order!

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You can try proxmox in a vm on your current machine if you want to try it

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I don't know when your "tomorrow" is, but it's currently Friday 0840 here, and I won't be on the computer too much on a saturday. I'll be here/online for about the next 8 hours.

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@autumn fox, have you eventually agreed to upgrade to the 6.2 kernel and the latest Intel microcode?

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No, I haven't. Not much upside for me, and when I tried it ~6 months ago it caused instability with my usb-eth NIC

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I've been meaning to find a m.2 gige to put inside the machine, but the couple I ordered from fleabay both cancelled my order, as they didn't have stock

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?? you're running a 8th gen i5 intel?

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So for now my WAN is usb-eth

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Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6500T CPU @ 2.50GHz

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And a similar 7500T on the other box

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so, 6th and 7th gen

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I just ordered another now. I hate the idea of usb-eth

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Even though my rational brain says it won't matter for usb3 + 200mbit internet

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my opnsense is on my proxmox, and I didn't even bother to passthrough the WAN NIC, so it's using whatever virtualisation proxmox feels like šŸ™‚

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Have you considered giving the Intel microcode a try?

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I really have no idea what that is, or what it would achieve?

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I can try it on my non-prod box first, see how it goes...

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just apt install pve-kernel-6.2 ?

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or something special needed for microcode?

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what are Edge Kernels anyway?

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I appear to have

    1.182608] microcode: sig=0x906e9, pf=0x2, revision=0xf0
[    1.182678] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.

Whatever that means.

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Just follow the guide that I keep posting.

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OK. It didn't seem to apply any microcode updates...

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Did it come today?

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Ha, shipping takes forever down here.

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Maybe play with proxmox in a vm if you want to experiment

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Itā€™s pretty straightforward

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Have fun

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Haha thank you! How did you set up the energy monitoring for your home?

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Solar inverter + iotawatt + smart plugs

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The seller on eBay has shipped me out another unit as my one still hasnā€™t turned up! Makes me wonder if he actually sent it out in the first place šŸ™„

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I'm not going to instal it on my pc, I think it all sounds too complicated lol

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Iā€™d just use the guide tteck posted. Itā€™s really pretty straightforward

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Guess whatā€™s just been delivered!! Was going to send a photo but not sure how to on here šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Promoxmox and HA are officially installed!!!!!! Woooooo

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Wahoo!

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Followed the guide?

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Was it the first one, or the ā€œreplacementā€?

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Everything going ok?

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Followed the guide! Only thing that went wrong was when I installed promoxmox and it rebootedā€¦ it tried to install it again so just took the usb out and it worked fine!

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It was the ā€˜replacementā€™ that turned up. He definitely never sent the first one!!

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Yeah everythingā€™s going goodā€¦ managed to link up my ring and Tapo devices. Just need to watch a few more YouTube videos on to the dashboard a little more simple.

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IMHO ha dashboard arranging sucks

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Did you run tteck post install scripts?
Suggest set up HA backups immediately

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Thereā€™s lotā€™s of interesting integrations depending on your local equipment

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Even did the option extra ones at the bottom apart from the SSL one

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Okk Iā€™ll look for backups nextā€¦. My next plan was to just look around and see what I can do with it really šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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Have fun!

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Happy with the box? With proxmox? Lots of cool stuff can be installed there

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Yes 100% what can I do next?! Iā€™m going to watch some YouTube videos around home assistant and stuff but what else can I do with proxmox now? Iā€™m going to turn my computer on so can look now šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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What do I look for when doing the backups?

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There are at least 4 kinds of backups.

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  1. Copying that backup off machine (Google drive for example)
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  1. Backing up the entire vm using proxmox
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Iā€™m guessing number 3 would be the best option for me? What do you think??

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Also still trying to figure out how to get my CCTV into it šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ™ˆšŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

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Iā€™ll be home in 5

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@viscid sinew I do all three

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Ok mate

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Need help? Ymmv. Itā€™s late there

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Always!!!

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Was just about to head to bed but Iā€™ve spent hours today trying to figure it out so any help is appreciated

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Itā€™s 11pm!

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NP, I'm on my computer now. Sec.

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Okkk shall I load mine back up then? šŸ™ˆ

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I'll just put the washing in the drier, and come back with a screenshare etc; you can show me how it's going.

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Sweet thank you!

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I've got maybe 30 mins top, before I have to get to studying - I've got an exam on Thursday, and I know none of the topics.

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Oh blimey! Whatā€™s the exam for??

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Yeah thatā€™s cool, Iā€™ve got work in the morning so canā€™t be on too late

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It's google-cloud certified solution architect, or something like that.

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Oh wow fancy!

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OK, where are we at? You have HA installed and stuff, what do you want to look at first.

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Oh wow so you know what you are doing then!!

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So I need to set up the backup like you said, but also trying to figure out my camera

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Calling you via discord call