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low notch
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and you are supposed to know that

wintry ether
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I don't know much...

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how can I tell if I have two supervisors?

low notch
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then you should look at other install methods

manic bane
wintry ether
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I used HASSOS originally and I felt like I couldn't do the things I wanted to do... but it seems the ecosystem keeps pushing me further and further toward using HAOS. I really hated not being able to use the system with a head -- it just dumped out gobbldeygook on the monitor...

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I like having a Linux system that I can get into...

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How can I tell if I have two fighting supervisors?

low notch
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the installation documentation states in big letters:

Make sure you understand the requirements

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so your best bet is either:

  • install haos, import a backup
  • learn docker and use the container install
  • get gud at linux and docker (expert level) and embrace the power of the supervisor
manic bane
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And break

wintry ether
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oh not with haos

wintry ether
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so you guys can't help me figure this one out. It's HAOS or nothing, eh?

manic bane
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Supervised assumes a very very high level of knowledge

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And is a lot of effort

wintry ether
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heh, no kidding

manic bane
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Since your system is unhealthy which can be anything from running a non HA controlled container or forgetting to update a dependency

wintry ether
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it has no idea that the addons are broken

manic bane
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Docker compose is the easiest if you want access to the underlying OS but you don't have add ons, though add ons are just fancy docker containers

wintry ether
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yeah, I liked supervised because I could use addons

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can I do addons with HAOS?

low notch
wintry ether
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what's the process for the HAOS install? I see the x86-64 image.

low notch
wintry ether
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I'm worried that I'm going to go through this painful transition from Debian to HAOS and then restore my backup, only to find out that the addons are still broken. lol that'd be the icing on the cake.

low notch
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the backups will work

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given you set the vm up properly with network and internet access

wintry ether
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yikes, there's no installer?

low notch
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No. It is delivered „installed“.

wintry ether
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is there a way to clean out/remove the supervisor?

low notch
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Yes there is

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Don‘t try. Leave that supervised setup behind.

copper steppe
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HAOS is super easy. I love it. Way easier than running core locally.

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If you want to experiment with HAOS without nuking your debian, you could try in a virtualbox or similar.

wintry ether
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can I use the whole disk on the machine? how do I go about installing the image to take advantage of the whole disk?

brisk willow
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IIRC it was automatically expand to fill the disk

wooden smelt
knotty oriole
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I'm experiencing lots of problems on installing HA on RPI. On initial boot from SD image i get errors. Sometimes rpi is unable to mount the fs, and sometimes there seems to be issues with kernel time sync. Any ideas on what to troubleshoot?

low notch
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what install type?

humble mirage
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Sounds like possible power/SD card issues

knotty oriole
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Install type? It is the rpi 64bit 9.3 image flashed to SD card

humble mirage
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Home Assistant OS is your install type

low notch
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if you make it to the ui... have a look for some rpi undervoltage alarm sensor

knotty oriole
low notch
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usually it will also show in the logs I guess

knotty oriole
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Yeah now it fails to start. At best it hangs on starting the ha cli

low notch
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easy test would be to use a different sd card

knotty oriole
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Yes I am on the second card with random problems. Perhaps it is the card or adapter

humble mirage
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Or the power supply

knotty oriole
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Should I try with my laptop power supply

humble mirage
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If it's capable of at least 3A at 5V then yes

knotty oriole
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I have a strong mobile phone charger that does 3A. Will try that

humble mirage
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If that's a Pi3 then be aware that many mobile chargers won't work

knotty oriole
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It's pi4 model b with 4gb

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Ram

knotty oriole
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So with a new image flashed and the other power supply installation went ahead and now stopped at waiting for the Home Assistant CLI to be ready... "[WARN] Home Assistant CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console..."

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Ok so i did 'reboot' and I got into HA cli but with error "Error returned from Supervisor:System is not ready with state : setup" any suggestions on how to resolve it?

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Supervisor repair / restart not helping. Same error message returned

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ha> banner is also giving the same error

weak shore
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hi, upgraded today to 2022.11 and now all addons are gone, and even the addons link is missing in the settings section, i need to restore this asap no heating without zwave 😦 any hints would be great, ty

manic bane
knotty oriole
manic bane
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Can you try balena incase that's doing it

knotty oriole
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I had lots of problems using both balena and rpi imager as well as SD card formatter on the pc. With two separate cards..

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So maybe it is the SD card adapter..

buoyant pewter
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Hello friends. Can someone point me in the right direction for collecting diagnostic logs on Home Assistant OS over SSH?

I upgraded to 2022.11.1 a couple hours ago, and Home Assistant never came back up. I'm using the Generic x86-64 image on an Intel NUC.

humble scaffoldBOT
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@buoyant pewter I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
buoyant pewter
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I'd like to get it running again, but I'd also like to let the devs know if there's a bug somewhere that caused this. I just don't know where to look.

weak shore
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me too, i have no idea what to do, upgraded os-agent and supervised installer and installed journal thing, no mqtt no zwave no zigbee, if i gonna have agaon to factory reset all devices i gonna shot myself this time

buoyant pewter
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Oh no

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I upgraded two other systems the same way without any problems.

formal bone
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Am i able to restore my backup (made in raspberry 3 B+) to raspberry pi 4 ssd, if both works 64bit ?

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For some reason i get "upload failed, 400 bad request". I made backup, and downloaded it to computer, and now im tryin to restore it -> raspi 4

weak shore
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anyone, how do i restore addons, where does supervisor store addons configuration? or something

indigo lotus
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Is there anyone here who have successfully installed a docker container in home assistant running Home assistant OS? I know im not supposed to, but i need a docker container so i can run a local browser

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when i run it trough docker i get that its a read-only filesystem when the config is gonna be written

humble mirage
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You're running the Docker commands inside the SSH add-on?

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Any reason not to use an iframe card?

indigo lotus
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Doesnt work on my NVR

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i have VPN and all but when my NVR has lost GW settings im fucked either way lol

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Yes the terminal.

humble mirage
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Not gonna work

indigo lotus
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Meh so not possible in any way to sneak in a docker container when i run HAOS on a pi so i could run a firefox contrainer 😛

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Possible to install lynx in ssh there?

humble mirage
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Probably, using apk

indigo lotus
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Lynx didnt help much lol

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only error i get is when docker is adding the path to the config file. i can mkdir into the same folder myself as root.

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But maybe docker itself doesnt har write access

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docker run -d
--name=firefox
-p 5800:5800
-v /docker/appdata/firefox:/config:rw
--shm-size 2g
jlesage/firefox

humble mirage
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You can't spin up a container from inside another container

steel sky
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Ackshuyally...

humble mirage
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Well, yes, if you know what you're doing... but I'd really hope that the default SSH add-on doesn't allow that

steel sky
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Know what. Let's just go with no, you can't.

humble mirage
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Why yes, it is possible to do an oil change on your car while driving at 70 MPH down the motorway

brazen herald
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This also applies to Supervised 🤪

brisk willow
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S👀pervised

grand pivot
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And dinosaurs

knotty oriole
humble mirage
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Any SD card that's not designed for a high-write life is going to fail sooner or later, probably sooner

knotty oriole
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Yes but a newer better card should alright then?

humble mirage
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Well, did you read what I wrote?

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New != better

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Class 2 is about performance, not longevity - not the ability to survive a life in a Pi

knotty oriole
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Ok

ashen knoll
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I'm currently running home assistant, zigbee2mqtt and mosquitto as containers on a general purpose Linux server. If I want to migrate to running HA OS on a dedicated little machine (a NUC, specifically) is it reasonably possible to transfer over all the config/data of those services? I don't want to have to rebind dozens of Zigbee devices 😄

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(the same USB zigbee dongle will be used)

humble mirage
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In theory, yes. Some work will be required, but it should be possible

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You may need a spare Zigbee dongle to avoid accidentally erasing your mesh

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Set up the Z2M add-on with the spare dongle. Stop it, and then copy over the config from the old install. Connect the old dongle and cross your fingers.

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The add-on does funny things with the config file, so there's a possibility you'll need to hack things about a bit

ashen knoll
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interesting. I don't have a spare dongle and this is a last minute "I'm going away next week and don't want to leave my server on while i'm away" plan 😉

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maybe I should play it safe and just migrate the containers over, for now

humble mirage
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That would seem more sensible if you've got a time crunch

ashen knoll
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thanks 🙂

grand spindle
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Howdy

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I want to migrate to hassos, when I boot I got a black screen

brisk willow
humble mirage
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The display is only enabled if it's connected before you boot

brisk willow
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It will also only show a terminal, not the HA UI

grand spindle
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I can play with bios options

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I think it's related with EFI

crude inlet
humble mirage
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That's ... interesting

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I wonder why that is, what the limitation is

brazen herald
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I think that's just how the pi works

humble mirage
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Nah, I've hooked up a monitor to a Pi after booting it many times, it always works

brazen herald
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Huh, I don't remember with mine to be honest

brisk willow
low notch
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its... weird... they only ever work for me when already plugged in
we have these different observations quite often
#hardware-archived message

grand spindle
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during the 1st step "Preparing Home Assistant" it's installing or dl missing files ?

humble mirage
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Yes

grand spindle
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it was an EFi issue, fixed with ubunto

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now I restored a backup I made this morning it's taking over 30 mins

copper steppe
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it shouldn't take that long, but there's no useful UI while it's doing it...

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I haven't found a way to see a progress indicator...

grand spindle
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it's frustrating :/

copper steppe
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did you try just reloading :8443/

grand spindle
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nope, I had to reboot

wintry ether
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ok, I've moved my installation to HAOS and did a full restore of my latest backup and my Add-ons are still broken. Home Assistant doesn't see any of them as running even though they are running!

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How do I fix it? Please help!!

wintry ether
# low notch the backups will work

hey @low notch, restoring the backup failed. With HAOS I have the same Home Assistant says "Add-ons not running" but they are running, issue. Any other ideas??

crude inlet
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@wintry ether reboot the host

wintry ether
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tried, no dice.

crude inlet
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Settings > System> Hardware > 3 dots in the upper right corner

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Not an HA restart

wintry ether
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yeah, I know how to reboot the system. It comes up broken. Per CentralCommand (Mike) I restarted the supervisor using ha su reboot and it gets everything back on track.

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it's a bug he says.

crude inlet
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A reboot of the system would have rebooted the Supervisor too

wintry ether
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ok, I stand corrected! You were right. I thought I tried a system reboot after the backup-restore but I guess I hadn't actually done that yet. Thanks @crude inlet!

long terrace
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yo

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got debian installed and now docker

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goin in for the kill folks

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now im setting up home sasistant

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wait so now that i have this on debian i can lowkey also run like pihole on this?

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wait how do i run it now

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its all downloaded

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@crude inlet @brazen herald

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holy fuck

modest onyx
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Hi everyone. How do I easily fix this?
System is unsupported because the wrong version of Docker CGroup is in use

Just upgraded to Debian 11

brazen herald
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Are you running Supervised?

modest onyx
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I am

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did not have this message in Deb 10

brazen herald
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Then you should be able to figure it out, that's the deal with running Supervised, you have to follow the requirements exactly and keep it up to date with every single release 😉

modest onyx
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😦

brazen herald
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There's a reason why there's a very big warning

long terrace
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when my secondary comp goes to sleep the display is off

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wont turn back on

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i dont wanna restart

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restart the computer that is

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but its online

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but no display

crude inlet
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There is no need for a display unless you have some issue

modest onyx
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fark! 😦 never try to fix what is not really broken 😦
Reinstalled supervised package and it obviously locked me out of host os

cinder marsh
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That's a shame. I had no issues with updating to the latest supervisor from the previous version.

modest onyx
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not the update. I upgraded Debian to 11 and HA was complaining of issues. Reinstalled supervisor and had a heap of issues...
Lucky had a backup. But stupid windows would not save it. Even though have NTFS disk, would not save the file over 4GB. So downloaded from google drive

low notch
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Go directly to haos with that backup

steel tiger
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hi... I got some warnings showing in the settings after upgrading to 2022.11 related to not having os-agent running. So I installed the package, and after that I re-installed homeassistant-supervised.deb but since, whenever I restart i get an error :```The following integrations and platforms could not be set up:

hassio (Show logs)
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not sure how I broke things, I hadn't updated the base OS in a while (over a year)

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that's on a rpi3 ;

quasi light
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Hi, just read upgrade notes for HAOS 2022.11, and particularly the part it will now be "discoverable via UPnP/SSDP". Can UPnP be disabled in Home Assistant? Never really been a fan of that

low notch
quasi light
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Ok, sounds good, thanks! 🙂

ashen knoll
manic urchin
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Supervisor tab option is not showing.
Hardware-
Home Assistant Blue / Hardkernel Odroid-N2+

Pre-installed Software-
Home Assistant 2022.11.1
Supervisor 2022.10.2
Operating System 9.3
Frontend 20221102.1
supervisor-2022.10.2
core-2022.11.1

I’m a newbie to HA. I have a strong tech background with limited programming knowledge. Please advise. I want to make a google drive backup soon as possible.

David

steel tiger
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following my upgrade of the supervisor, it seems most of my errors comes from getting error like 2022-11-05 22:56:13.108 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio.handler] /homeassistant/options return code 403

steel tiger
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right, uninstalled every docker container, redid everything from scratch, all started now. However it seems to have created a new homeassistant folder; it's now located in /usr/shared/hassio/homeassistant while before it was in /usr/share/docker/hassio/homeassistant is there a way to make it use the other folder ?

sharp sapphire
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Good day all.
I'm running HA OS. Updated to 2022.11.1
I'm getting "Systemd Journal issues"
Docs says systemd-journal-gatewayd needs to be running but it isn't installed?
Unit systemd-journal-gatewayd.service could not be found.

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Supervisor logs:

22-11-05 10:28:09 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.host.logs] No systemd-journal-gatewayd Unix socket available

steel tiger
sharp sapphire
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Yeah, was reading in github ppl is having issues with this as well

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I've never had to modify anything on the host OS.
I assumed HA would take care of that since I'm on the HA OS thingy.
I'm gonna wait a bit to see if theres a hotfix release..

crude inlet
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@manic urchin there is no supervisor tab to see. You may be using out of date videos as a reference. Settings > System > Addons is where to navigate if you want to install addons

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@sharp sapphire what versions do you see at the top of the Settings > About page?

alpine isle
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Can someone help me? I'm trying to install Home Assistant on an Optplex 160, but the bios doesn't show the UEFI option

brisk willow
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That's a pretty old box. If you don't see a UEFI option, then it doesn't support UEFI

sharp sapphire
crude inlet
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No OS showing there so that's not HA OS

waxen token
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What is the recommended installation method now ? I have Supervisor setup, but have a bunch of issues w/ the over all setup, so I was planning on nuking everything and starting fresh.

brisk willow
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HA OS if you want the point-and-click adding of other pieces of software (add-ons); HA Container if you want to manage that yourself by installing the other software standalone

low notch
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just tried creately, is nice

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brisk willow
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Do you like pain and suffering?
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HA Supervised    Any other method
alpine isle
brazen herald
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Docker container

fickle swift
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Hi I've for home assistant working in a docker container on my synology and am now trying to integrate an ssl cert to it. i already have an ssl cert enabled in synology that auto renews. Has anyone been able to use that and connect homeassistant so it is ssl enabled

dawn flame
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If you're going to use SSL for remote access, you're better off to use one of the reverse proxy utilities to do it...

waxen token
waxen token
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Or is there an easier way to "factory reset" if you will ?

brisk willow
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Deleting the contents of the config dir or just moving them elsewhere will reset HA except for the add-ons

copper steppe
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Nuke and reinstall, it's the only way to be sure; hehehe

eager dirge
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Just got the Home Assistant Bundle - Standard ODROID-N2+ 4GB/64GB eMMC / US 120V/60Hz 1 for home assistant. Plugged it into my network but can't set it up using http://homesssistant.local:8123 or http://xxx.xxx.xx.xxx:8123. Using port 4357 I get home assistant observer saying connected, supported and healthy and can ping homeassistant.local. any ideas how to get up and running?

copper steppe
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does box have acess to internet? what happens on the 8123 address?

eager dirge
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Says access denied

copper steppe
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I don't know about the "bundle" in particular. But what kind of "access denied"? Do you get a login prompt? Do you see the blue HA screens?

eager dirge
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I do not get a login prompt

fallen lichen
mild timber
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since 2022.11 my HA instance has been restarting randomly throughout the day - I can't see anything obvious in the logs, not really sure how to troubleshoot, any suggestions? Running Hassos on a NUC, and its just the /generic-x86-64-homeassistant:2022.11.1 image that restarts, not the whole host.
This seems to appears quite frequently however:
Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/asyncio/selector_events.py", line 213, in _accept_connection2 await waiter ConnectionResetError

fallen lichen
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Take a look at /config/logs under Supervisor and see if there's anything there that indicates it may be restarting HA Core

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Probably should link to a paste of your full error you copied some above, too. If there's connectivity issues w/ the HA API, Supervisor likely would restart it

mild timber
fallen lichen
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Just in the UI

mild timber
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just things like .storage, www, homeassistant.log etc

fallen lichen
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haURL/config/logs

mild timber
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looks like the supervisor log gets cleared down on a restart :/

fallen lichen
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docker logs hassio_supervisor from SSH should get you more of them

mild timber
# fallen lichen `docker logs hassio_supervisor` from SSH should get you more of them

The only thing that jumps out is a lot of these:
22-11-06 09:49:58 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.hardware.monitor] Detecting HardwareAction.ADD hardware /dev/bus/usb/002/119 - None 22-11-06 09:50:07 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.hardware.monitor] Detecting HardwareAction.REMOVE hardware /dev/bus/usb/002/119 - None 22-11-06 09:50:11 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.hardware.monitor] Detecting HardwareAction.ADD hardware /dev/bus/usb/002/123 - None 22-11-06 09:50:20 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.hardware.monitor] Detecting HardwareAction.REMOVE hardware /dev/bus/usb/002/123 - None

fallen lichen
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How about from when you believe HA restarted

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docker inspect -f '{{ .State.StartedAt }}' homeassistant

mild timber
fallen lichen
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22-11-06 10:28:42 INFO (SyncWorker_0) [supervisor.docker.interface] Restarting ghcr.io/home-assistant/generic-x86-64-homeassistant```
mild timber
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so I wonder what is causing this?

fallen lichen
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Have you got a home-assistant.log.fault file w/ anything?

mild timber
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it has just restarted again whilst viewing the logs :/

mild timber
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ok so it didnt restart that time but lost connection. Docker shows container as still up

fallen lichen
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Well... if you are experiencing connectivity issues, that's ultimately going to cause you problems

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docker logs homeassistant --since "2022-11-06T10:20:00" How about anything standing out around the time of the restart

mild timber
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the connectivity seems localised. If I go into node red, I can literally see the nodes rapidly flashing betwwen connected.notconnected and connecting

fallen lichen
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Is your Unifi integration newish?

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Apart from seeing a ton of connections generated by that, that log doesn't say a whole lot

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(I also don't know anything about Unifi or the integration)

mild timber
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its been there for around a year now

fallen lichen
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I'd see if you can go further back yet in the logs you pasted.... it's basically already in cascading failure at that point

mild timber
fallen lichen
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You can play w/ the since argument to go back even further. I don't really have any more ideas on what might be the culprit from what I'm seeing, though.

mild timber
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OK, its weird that it seems to be have connectivity issue between containers on the same host, maybe a disk problem? Ill try restoring a backup to a different host and see if that makes a difference

fallen lichen
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Well... again, it's still not clear, it might have connectivity issues because the HA container is overwhelmed, which is kind of what it looks like

mild timber
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PS appreciate the pointers so far, I have learnt some useful things 🙂

fallen lichen
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yeah, interesting that those errors start immediately

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debugpy new?

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probably try disabling that if you're not using it right now

mild timber
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not sure what it is, how would I disable it?

fallen lichen
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configuration.yaml

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you probably have a debugpy section

mild timber
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found it , thanks

fallen lichen
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Then restart HA, and see how your logs look

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at least those WARNINGS should get cleared up

mild timber
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cpu usage has also dropped from 35% to around 6%

fallen lichen
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There does appear to be a number of other connectivity issues, this is concerning, too.
2022-11-06 14:32:52.182 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.websocket_api.http.connection] [140108094724688] Client unable to keep up with pending messages. Stayed over 512 for 5 seconds. The system's load is too high or an integration is misbehaving

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2022-11-06 14:33:11.208 WARNING (MainThread) [aioesphomeapi.reconnect_logic] Can't connect to ESPHome API for offespamera @ 192.168.0.8: Error connecting to ('192.168.0.8', 6053): [Errno 113] Connect call failed ('192.168.0.8', 6053)

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Do you happen to have any nodes in NodeRed listening for all events w/o filters?

mild timber
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ok, not as far as I can tell

sharp sapphire
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I mean, I have addons.. is it safe to assume that I;m running HAOS if I have addons ?

fallen lichen
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Supervised can have add ons

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How'd you install it

sharp sapphire
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dang.. I am quite sure I flashed a thumbdrive with HAOS, Is there a way I can verify? it was months ago..

fallen lichen
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I'd think most would be pretty aware if they installed supervised. You'd have installed the OS yourself and then run some commands within the shell to set up dependencies and install the HA package

sharp sapphire
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PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="11"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"

sharp sapphire
fallen lichen
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Ah, perhaps you did take that route then

sharp sapphire
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I remember wanting addons

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I did the docker route first, didn't have addons, and then I THINK I installed HAOS

crude inlet
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HAOS is flashed to a drive. SD or otherwise

fallen lichen
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Well HA OS isn't Debian, so if that's your output, it's probably supervised

sharp sapphire
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dang..

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checked bash history..

crude inlet
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If you can through installation steps then you installed supervised, a copy of the HAOS environment but on another OS

sharp sapphire
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that's what I ran apparentyly

brittle sail
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name a better duo greybeards and making things harder on themselves :x

sharp sapphire
sharp sapphire
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oh well. thanks for the help guys.
Gonna try and fix the journald thingy manually then

brisk willow
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But at least you probably meet the "Linux expert" guideline that Supervised has unlike probably 99% of its user base

sharp sapphire
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I'm reading the supervisted install and I do remember going to github to follow the steps now 😛

brisk willow
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Just make sure not to install anything outside the HA ecosystem then (apart from the install requirements)

sharp sapphire
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Absolutely, I have other boxes for that purpose

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I don't know why I went supervised TBH, something must have happened with HAOS

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the box purpose is for HA only, so my intention was to use HAOS.. oh well

brisk willow
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Yeah, I was gonna say that HA OS would make more sense

sharp sapphire
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yup, indeed.

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considering migrating TBH

brazen herald
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I would. It makes life easier

raw halo
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Hello
so I just installed but still waiting more than hour in the installing page

brisk willow
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What did you install HA on?

bronze yacht
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Hello Dears,
after restoring a backup I miss the Icons from my installed add ons
it seems also that I am not able to load any new add onn

trying to add the reposatory link gets error because the link allready exist

I really dont know what to do
hope someone can help me

raw halo
crude inlet
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@bronze yacht Settings > System > Hardware > 3 dot icon in the corner > reboot host

placid sage
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Hey guys! I think I tried almost everything - New RPi, New SDcard, fresh installation(serveral verisons) and somehow everytime HA ask for an update i get "Error 500" - I tried different networks, DNS settings and so on with no luck 😦 Anything you think i should try?

fallen lichen
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Look at the log file?

placid sage
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@fallen lichen If this was for me - What im I supposed to see? The "only" error i get is Error 500 🙂

fallen lichen
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Yes for you.... are you unable to get to HA logs?

placid sage
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This is the output:
22-11-06 18:59:30 INFO (SyncWorker_1) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:landingpage to ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.11.1
22-11-06 18:59:30 INFO (SyncWorker_1) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant with tag 2022.11.1.
22-11-06 19:05:15 ERROR (SyncWorker_1) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2022.11.1: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/create?tag=2022.11.1&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Fraspberrypi3-64-homeassistant&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)")
22-11-06 19:05:15 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

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@fallen lichen I am able to get HA logs 🙂

fallen lichen
raw halo
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I am getting Bad gateway message

placid sage
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@fallen lichen Actually i've tried both Google and Cloudflare DNS settings.. But i guess i worth a shot again..

teal ivy
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Is it possible to directly integrate wifi supported smart switches with HA without connecting to the internet, want to manage it locally?

humble mirage
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They can help you over there

placid sage
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@fallen lichen do you recommend me doing it on the router or only on the RPI?

thorny stone
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I'm just getting started with Home Assistant. Transitioning away from smart things. Seems home assistant is better than Open Hab. Can anyone suggest any must-read documents?

humble mirage
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Other than the official docs?

thorny stone
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Other than the "getting started" manuals.

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Yes

fallen lichen
eternal jungle
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So i've got a "home assistant core" setup running on a Rpi4 and I'm getting tired of upgrades being a pain. Right now I'm having trouble upgrading from 2022.07 to 2022.11 - pip issues and I've already had to do some annoying workarounds. I might get a new device to run HA on so that its not overloaded (my rpi runs a bunch of other stuff). What is the 'favorite' method of install? It seems like HA OS. Also considering something with docker if it makes sense. I guess I need to plan out what hardware to get too.

brisk willow
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HA Container is a solid choice

eternal jungle
brisk willow
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It's quite easy

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It just involves passing the device through to the container

placid sage
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gateway ip

fallen lichen
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Yeah, don't change your gateway

unborn narwhal
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I install homeassistant on a rasbarry pi 3b+ and it says that homeassistant CLI not responding I try to re-install it and it don't work. How to fix it?

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reply in a ping

eternal marten
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Home assistant OS or docker image?

humble mirage
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Container has no CLI, so it's either HAOS or Supervised

placid sage
fallen lichen
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Can you ping ghcr.io from that box just fine

placid sage
clear ember
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Hi, is it possible to start home assistant UI on a raspberry.? its running Command line at the moment

humble mirage
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There's no local UI for Home Assistant

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If you want a UI that requires a web browser, which isn't an option if you used Home Assistant OS

clear ember
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Ok. Thanks

unborn narwhal
junior pollen
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Hi.
Noob question.

Trying to start HA with the following command:
sudo docker run -d --name homeassistant --privileged --restart=unless-stopped -e TZ=Europe/Oslo -v /srv/homeassistant:/config --network=host ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

Getting error:
docker: Error response from daemon: error while creating mount source path '/srv/homeassistant': mkdir /srv/homeassistant: read-only file system.

How do I recover ?

humble mirage
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  1. You should be using compose files
  2. Does /srv exist, and can you write to it?
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  1. If /srv/homeassistant exists, can root write to it (that is, did you mount it from another host, use NTFS or some other non-Linux file system)
junior pollen
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I got it fixed 🙂

green oak
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Question, I've been trying to install the Home Assistant on my laptop (windows) via VM. Everything supposedly worked and I got the machine running but whenever I access IP it just says setting up - this may take around 20 min., it's an hour now. Any ideas what I did wrong?

humble mirage
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In the UI, there's a blue circle, if you click it you get more info

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(no, it's not obvious you can do that)

green oak
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not sure I get that, the Blue loading circle?

humble mirage
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There's only one blue circle AFAIK

green oak
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ok 😄 done

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worked

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suddenly

astral kayak
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hello

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homeassistant.exceptions.HomeAssistantError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xe8 in position 31477: invalid continuation byte

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on file

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.homeassistant.storage\core.entity_registry

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what's wrong?

astral kayak
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sems that file is written with ANSI coding everytime I start HA

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I change it back to UTF-8

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i re-run HA

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and then it's switched back to ANSI

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and if I restart

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the error happens again

low notch
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you're not supposed to interfere with files in .storage

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@fiery shuttle you find your docker run command in your history - history

unborn narwhal
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I install homeassistant on a rasbarry pi 3b+ and it says that homeassistant CLI not responding I try to re-install it and it don't work. How to fix it?
reply in a ping

fiery shuttle
low notch
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no, just run history in your shell

fiery shuttle
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sudo apt-get install docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io docker-compose-plugin nano /home/brad/Documents/docker-compose.yaml sudo docker compose pull && sudo docker compose up -d

That's the history for container

low notch
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you said you run docker runearlier

fiery shuttle
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I did previously. With help on here I moved to compose

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And the move/update is when the issue began

low notch
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ye, and you lost your config on the way

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thats why we need to locate where your previous config pointed to

fiery shuttle
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previous config is /home/brad/Documents/ha/configuration.yaml

low notch
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and how does your current docker-compose look like?
when you are in the same folder with the docker-compose.yml file give me the output of pwd

fiery shuttle
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in docker-compose.yaml I have:

volumes: - /hom/brad/Documents/ha:/config

fiery shuttle
low notch
fiery shuttle
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mistype

low notch
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careful

fiery shuttle
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agreed. I'm on a PC and HA is on a laptop.

low notch
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given that you use absolute paths you should be fine already

fiery shuttle
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so does the installation side seem fine?

low notch
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everything else works except the aarlo integration? what else do you have in there?

fiery shuttle
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Everything else works. Lights, automations, plugs, other devices

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aarlo is the only one configured manually in the file though

low notch
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well then your aarlo is misbehaving, try removing and setting it up again

fiery shuttle
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i'll give that a shot. thanks

low notch
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I suspected your whole config got whooped as you suggested it missed it

fiery shuttle
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how can I check that my config is still pulling from the correct file?

low notch
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Everything else works. Lights, automations, plugs, other devices
should confirm that

fiery shuttle
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ah

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but the configuration.yaml file doesn't call any of them. only aarlo

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I just wonder if the config if trying to read from a different location

wintry dune
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does anyone know of a proper way to backup home assistant thats running home assistant core and then restore to home assistant container. my system is completely broken and since i need to keep some of the other containers running, i need to swap over to ha container

grand pivot
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Make a backup with backup.create, restore the backup by extracting it into your config directory

upbeat crow
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Greetings! Running CM4 with 32G eMMc on the fountation cm4-io-board. I can get raspberry pi os to load just fine. Went thru the jumper process to expose the eMMC as a usb drive, etcher'ed the latest haos release (haos_generic_aarch64-9.3.img) on it. I see the eMMc with the correct partition tables, etc. so it looks good. pull the jumper and boot and it's stuck on the boot screen. not liking the efi boot partition. Any ideas why it won't boot to haos, but will with raspberry pi os? thanks.

upbeat crow
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generic argh.. sweet mother of self inflicted pain.... _rpi4-64 works as advertised...

tawdry kindle
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Hi all, I've ran into an issue of my VM based HA deployment running out of space

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I have a 160GB allocated to the VM and it reached 158gb at which point I increased it to 200GB.

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Based on the documentation HA should recorgnize the added space and stop complaining but it doesn't

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I am using VirtualBox which lists the VM space as 200 with physical space used at 160ish.

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The HA indicates the space as 99% full at 160ish GB

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Any ideas how to get the HA to recognize the added space?

brittle sail
#

you should probably figure out why it's ballooning so big to begin with

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are you fully up to date? they recently changed defaults with logger: in configuration.yaml to save us from hurting ourselves without specifying the log level

tawdry kindle
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That is a good point. I am keeping several backups with 7gb each

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My MariaDB is 5gb

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The influxDB is another 5 or more

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Nonetheless I need a short term solution

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I am fully up to date on HA OS 9.3 and 2022.11.1 HA

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Could you expand on the logger settings you mentioned?

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Beyond that has anyone any idea how to expand the storage recognised by HA

fallen lichen
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youve rebooted?

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short term could be nuke a couple back ups

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even w/ 10GB for DB, theres a lot of space unaccounted for

tawdry kindle
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Fair point, but I don't know where to look for it honestly

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Rebooted both the VM (3 times) and HA twice

fallen lichen
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du -a -d2 / | sort -n -r | head -20

tawdry kindle
fallen lichen
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Run that from a shell

tawdry kindle
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May I ask for a bit more information

fallen lichen
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Top 20 dir/files in your instance

brittle sail
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in the past if someone enabled the logger for a specific component but didnt specify the default log level it would use debug and fill up the db (fixed in latest release)

tawdry kindle
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I don't have any logger entries in my yaml. Just the default config on top

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I guess this would exclude that possibility

brisk willow
brittle sail
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ah yeah meant log file sorry

tawdry kindle
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Looking into it, there are dozens of files 128mb each... most of them modified in around October, so before the latest version went live.

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What would be the advices way of purging these log files?

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WinSCP and purge the folder contents?

fallen lichen
tawdry kindle
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In my case it's a real mess....

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There are dozens of massive journal files.

fallen lichen
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yeah that is interesting, on mine, the hash after the @ is always the same

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dir for me is 3G

tawdry kindle
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In addition I have two IDs as well like the poor bloke in the issue you linked

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But I am being think and can't use the command they offered to check which ID is correct

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The systemd-machine-id-setup --print gives an error if I putty into my instance

fallen lichen
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Do you have terminal access to the actual HA instance

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not the SSH add on

tawdry kindle
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Yes, I've accessed it via putty and can't even `` rm -r` the damn folder with the old ID

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It's giving me read only errors

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There is an old ID from last may, which has another 4GB

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I've cd'd into the log folder to find the appropriate ID

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rm -r ./journal/46db4e65632c431489ba1567ed237247 but it's asks for deletion aproval of every file and fails for all of them. Maybe I should preceed it with sudo?

fallen lichen
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via putty under port 22222?

tawdry kindle
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22

fallen lichen
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You're sure that's not the addon?

tawdry kindle
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Technically it's through the addon...

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Then I am not sure how to do it.

fallen lichen
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/var/log/journal is mounted as read-only there

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Are you running on a Pi?

tawdry kindle
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VM

fallen lichen
#

Do you have VM Console access

tawdry kindle
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VirtualBox should

fallen lichen
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yeah, use it

limpid nebula
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I have HA at 2022.9.1 version and I tried to upgrade to 2022.11.1 version, I hade a lot of error on Integration like MQTT, TASMOTA, DefaultConfig with invalid config message. What can I do ? could you help me. Thanks

fallen lichen
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Probably best to take a look at the breaking changes to see what you'll need to prep for

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or maybe incrementally upgrade?

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If you need help w/ a particular error, you can ask about it including the message

tawdry kindle
fallen lichen
humble mirage
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I have HA at 2022 9 1 version and I

tawdry kindle
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I'll run another check for what's this massive in the structure after these 5 gb are gone

fallen lichen
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du -h /mnt/data/supervisor/backup to confirm how much your backups are taking

tawdry kindle
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Why wouldn't these commands work from the terminal directly only through the addon?

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Is the syntax different?

fallen lichen
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some of them will... some won't. The file system is mounted differently. Here you're interacting with the host itself instead of within just an addon

tawdry kindle
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The funny thing is that the du commands do work in the addon but give no output in the terminal....

fallen lichen
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depends what you're running

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in the add on, that path is mapped to /backup

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that should work in the addon

tawdry kindle
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OK

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The backups are 35.6GB total

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6-7GB each with 5 days worth

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Adds up

tawdry kindle
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It gives no output

fallen lichen
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You sure it isn't just working on it?

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does it return right away?

tawdry kindle
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It doesn't return anything for 2-3 minuts

fallen lichen
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yeah because there's a lot more to that filesystem

tawdry kindle
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aaaa...OK, it just did..

fallen lichen
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it's less helpful there, since it'll basically tell you that docker is using all the space, likely

tawdry kindle
#

Being impatient...

grand pivot
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It's probably your database

tawdry kindle
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The backups are massive, for sure

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But the whole mounted directory of HA is taking up only around 41GB

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What's the remaining 90GB....

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I am running an HA OS image inside a virtualbox VM with nothing running on the OS directly.

tawdry kindle
grand pivot
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You also need to repack

tawdry kindle
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When sending the service call I marked it to repack.

fallen lichen
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du -h -d1 /mnt/data/supervisor/addons/data looks to be where the addon data is

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Can see how big maria and influx are

tawdry kindle
#

On a completely unrelated note I just see my maria is doing some crazy stuff as well

fallen lichen
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Tell her to stop

tawdry kindle
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2022-11-07 23:24:27 21 [ERROR] Got error 180 when reading table './homeassistant/state_attributes'
2022-11-07 23:24:27 23 [ERROR] Got error 180 when reading table './homeassistant/state_attributes'
2022-11-07 23:24:27 24 [ERROR] Got error 180 when reading table './homeassistant/state_attributes'
2022-11-07 23:24:27 25 [ERROR] Got error 180 when reading table './homeassistant/state_attributes'
2022-11-07 23:24:27 21 [ERROR] Got error 180 when reading table './homeassistant/state_attributes'

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Printing this all the time

fallen lichen
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may need to attempt a repair

tawdry kindle
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Yup...

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But I'll try to figure out this thing first and then start looking for information how to even begin to repair it...

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du -h -d1 /mnt/data/supervisor/addons/data

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@fallen lichen are you sure?

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This returns no directory.

fallen lichen
#

Is on mine

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on the VM itself

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not the addon

tawdry kindle
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Majority of it Maria and Influx...

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What can I say, I am a data hoarder, but Maria shouldn't be this massive...

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I'll try to repack it again.

placid sage
#

Hi, i have a native (without vm) installation version Home Assistant core 2021.9.7 (DSM package) on synology NAS DSM 7.1.1 . The problem: in which path must the standard /media folder be created and how must it be entered in the configuration.yaml?

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the configuration.yaml is in /volume2/@appdata/homeassistant/config

brazen herald
placid sage
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No without docker NATIVE

brazen herald
#

That seems like it's an unsupported install method

placid sage
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it is a pack from the synology packet server. Can you answer my question about the path and its entry?

brazen herald
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As I just checked the native packages on the Synology server for it and it's not there, and nor is it in the HA docs, I highly suspect you're using an unsupported install which is going to cause you a number problems. I'd advise switching to the Docker install before moving any further

placid sage
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This cannot be realized because my synology NAS does not support docker (too few resources):

brazen herald
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Then you cannot run Home Assistant on it

placid sage
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Nein. Es ist installiertund arbeietet ohne Fehler bis auf die Medien wiedergabe.

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no It is installed and working without errors except for the media playback.

brazen herald
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Aber ist überhaupt nicht unterstüzt. Und hier reden wir nur Englisch, danke.

placid sage
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please tell me where path /media has to be created in relation to the installation directory and how it has to be entered in configuration.yaml.

brazen herald
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I don't know, I don't use unsupported installation methods. Wherever you found that package should be able to tell you

placid sage
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Leaving my package.
Where does the status path for /media have to be in relation to the path of configuration.yaml or the installation directory without mnt?

brazen herald
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I don't know, because I don't know what install method that actually is. I suspect it's using a variant of Supervised which is the hardest and most problematic install method. But considering it's already only just supported and it's been modified and hacked into a Synology package, the Synology package is the only thing that can tell you where it wants the files to be, but the end result is: You'll have to read the documentation on that package yourself, as you are using an unsupported installation method.

placid sage
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The installation directory is:
/volume2/@appdata/homeassistant/
do the paths in configuration.yaml have to be absolute or relative to the installation directory?

green oak
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Question I have, because I would like to get access to the supervised store, I installed the OS version, but I am not able to see Supervised tab on the left.

placid sage
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Not even trying to help.
Thanks for nothing

crude inlet
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@green oak you're referencing some old video or guide. There is no longer a supervisor entry

green oak
crude inlet
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Settings > Addons in the UI

manic bane
brazen herald
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And really any kind of weird install ought to have its own docs on where to put folders, etc. If it's badly documented and a weird install, good luck 😬

dense ember
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Hey, I am looking to install home assistant on my rpi zero 2 w, I understand this isn't recommended, but can anyone point me in the right direction with regards to a current release of a HA distro for RPI02?

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Or if I already have RpiOS installed is there a package I could install?

brazen herald
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You're really going to struggle, it's an unsupported device so the default HAOS won't install. Don't try to install Supervised on Raspbian.

brittle sail
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If you really hate yourself keep going down this path

brazen herald
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You may manage a docker container, but I'd highly recommend anything more powerful. Encyclopedia Britannica and a catapault system for example

dense ember
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Shoot... I have a Pi4 somewhere but I can't find it :/ I just have 3 lights I want to automate

brazen herald
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Find the Pi 4. The amount of time you'll spend trying to get this to work on the Zero W 2 and you'll have found the Pi 4.

dense ember
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That's fair. Ty for the advice

brazen herald
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Plus when you want to do more than control 3 lights, you won't have to find the Pi 4 and install 😉

dense ember
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lol. Now to find another use for my pi zero...

brazen herald
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ESPHome has one coming soon. Check out State of the Open Home this weekend.

dense ember
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I remembered I let a family member borrow my pi4. Looks like I am going down the pi02 route... I found an old image for haos, hopefully it works

brazen herald
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I would really not recommend that

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An old laptop or PC would be better

dense ember
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If anyone has an rpi0 and wants to run a hub off it, I recommend homebridge. I really appreciate the help and advice. I would love to run HA on an rpi4, but in the meantime I hope this can work

brazen herald
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HomeBridge on a Zero W 2 is not going to be performant, you may manage with 3 bulbs, but they'll likely become unresponsive periodically or be very slow to respond

green oak
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Hello, I have a problem, I made a Windows VM installation as instructed on the HomeAssistant website and all worked, my assistant is there and all, but still no local files nothing has been created in the folder set in the process. Is there some way to enable that ?

dense ember
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For the time being this is a sufficient setup

copper steppe
green oak
copper steppe
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Maybe you should link to the page you followed? (why do you need the files anyway?)

green oak
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e.g. to copy themes into

copper steppe
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where did it describe the folder? (where are you looking?)
Did you install a ssh or file-manager addon yet?

green oak
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not yet, I installed it on D Drive

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And the folder is there, just nothing inside except the vdi file

fallen lichen
copper steppe
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@green oak feels like you're missing some understanding here. WHen you create a VM in windows, the filesystem is "hidden inside" the VM disk file

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They're not native files in your windows machine

green oak
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I got that a moment ago ^🤔

copper steppe
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In the VM (when it's running) you get a virtual hard-drive, which HA has installed linux etc into

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You can install SSH plugin so you can login to the linux box from your windows machine; or install a file-browser addon so you get an explorer-like thing via your browser

green oak
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Thanks Lyricnz

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Sorry for the trouble.

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I am completely new in this...

copper steppe
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No sweat, happy to help

placid sage
copper steppe
#

Did you describe what you're actually doing? And what the error is?
We can't support anything synology added, but can help re: normal stuff

placid sage
copper steppe
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paths in configuration.yaml are relative to the ./config directory. I don't know if you can use absolute paths, or if security controls would prevent it (they should ,really)

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We're just users, like you, douchebag

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We don't "work for ha" or anything like that. Show some respect.

placid sage
copper steppe
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I didn't see the start of the thread. Are you trying to do something in particular?

brisk willow
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jeebus, what is it with some of the entitled people lately

placid sage
copper steppe
#

look at logs?

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I never used media stuff. Is it filesystem /media or ./config/media?

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Try putting a file in each, see which one shows up

brisk willow
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if you're referring to the config dir in the container, it's just /config btw, not ./config

copper steppe
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who knows what pgmr2 install did. it's some community-repackaged synology thing

brisk willow
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ah

grand pivot
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I'm sure that it just makes it all easier

copper steppe
#

Seems they are not willing to approach problem systematically, just want to yell about how we didn't help them.

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Without explaining what their (not like everyone elses) system is showing

grand pivot
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I'll be the first say that I did not help

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but I also just saw this thread

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so it might be my fault

manic bane
brisk willow
#

The feeling of discomfort I've felt the handful of times that HA has been down in the last 4 years is indescribable

#

It's strangely unsettling

brazen herald
#

Indeed. I dislike the idea of balancing the smart brain of my home on top of a jenga tower personally.

vivid breach
#

So I just installed HA and ran into literally non-stop problems along the way. The most baffling of which appears to be that on first run, HA creates it's own config file (makes sense) but it then proceeds to complain about the majority of entries in there as being unavailable or deprecated (?!).

manic bane
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How did you install HA

vivid breach
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Arch Linux package.

low notch
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So, a not supported install

#

Even if it is 2022.11 theres apparently major things missing in your install

vivid breach
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Right, so basically the same as the Linux > Install Home Assistant Core path. Just done properly using a package manager because manually installing tarballs is so 1980s and also a tracking nightmare.

low notch
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apparently not done properly

vivid breach
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So what's missing? As there's absolutely zero chance I'm following the manual path and making a mess of my server's root with untracked Python files all over the place.

low notch
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whats missing? the parts you get errors about

vivid breach
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Error occurred loading configuration flow for integration alexa: No module named 'homeassistant.components.alexa.config_flow'
So what's responsible for providing this module? I'd assume it's download on the fly

low notch
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if you don't like "making a mess" you should consider using a container install or a vm

manic bane
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^^

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Container is incredibly easy

mortal minnow
#

Hy. I will use HA on docker. I need to instal some linux server. Which one do you recommend?

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I will also run some other stuff like plex, etc...

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Ubuntu? Debian? Centos?

manic bane
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Debian works great as a headless server

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And to ensure, you're definitely going the way of docker compose and not supervised right?

mortal minnow
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docker compose yes.

manic bane
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Just do debian headless

mortal minnow
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Good 😄

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So standard install en remove all desktop related? 🙂

upbeat frost
#

Hi guys. I don't which topic about issue my hasio. Something unable to update core and os. Also big problem with dns server.

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No Internet in lan but outside network I can control hasio. Also router showing that hasio downloading 🤔

manic bane
vivid breach
#

So I switched to the Docker container which does appear to work better, but I'm having trouble getting it to speak to the local MariaDB server (which did work when I installed HA natively before). I'm just getting a generic MySQLdb.OperationalError: (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)") error. I'm using the following in my config (with the real values, obviously).

  db_url: mysql://(user):(pass)@localhost/(dbname)?unix_socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock&charset=utf8mb4```
That DB, user and pass are all correct and worked for the previous install. The DB has since been emptied to not cause any issues with the previous content.
low notch
#

Did you pass that socket through to your container? Better use the tcp stack for that

vivid breach
#

I'm not familiar with Docker at all, so not unless that's handled automatically somehow. I'd rather avoid TCP as that's just adding more unnecessary overhead.

low notch
#

Did you run docker run or did you use a compose file?

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Docker runs sandboxed things called containers, they can‘t see outside their scope unless you provide things to them explicitly

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The difference to a virtual machine is solely that a vm needs virtualization and runs its own kernel while docker makes use of the system kernel and thus is far more lightweight

vivid breach
#

I'll need to passthrough the socket then, I'll look into how to do that. The HA page on using MySQL doesn't mention this at all so may be worth expanding at some point.

mystic rain
#

Hi all, I have tried to look thought the chat but not seen a answer for this… I have completely lost my password and username for my HA, I have tried all the steps out there to try and reset the password but not got anywhere. I am using VM win10 and I am trying to complete start afresh or retrieve the username / password. I feel like I am stuck against a wall and can’t see a way out. Normally YouTube is your best friend when it comes to stuff like this but I quickly realised that that’s not the case when it comes to HA. Anybody able to me here I’m 1 week into this issue and about to bin my laptop 😂

low notch
vivid breach
#

Well, it would require me to enable networking on MariaDB for a start and then deal with additional firewall and security rules too.

low notch
#

Just put mysql in a container also

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Container everything

manic bane
#

Docker network it

manic bane
vivid breach
#

Christ, no.

mystic rain
vivid breach
#

The process to modify the config for an existing container has put me off ever going near Docker again, it's insanely long-winded and unintuitive.

manic bane
low notch
#

You need to learn docker compose then

manic bane
#

It takes me about 30 seconds including finding the line I need to change lol

#

And my compose files are badly unorganised (everything in one)

low notch
#

And by „learn“ i mean look at it for a minute, its easy

#

You will have more trouble setting up native package installs then using a docker container, every time.

manic bane
vivid breach
#

Everything seems easy when you're already familiar with it. But you're seeing how this is quickly becoming a Yak shaving exercise.

manic bane
#

Compose is very easy to learn

#

Unsure how you think it's complicated to change config

low notch
#

Exactly what you experienced intially with the python core install you had.
You will run into issues

manic bane
#

Its no different than changing something like a wireguard config. You locate the file, edit the file, and reload whatever is using it

low notch
#

In the end you have one configuration file containing everything for that host.
Which lets you tear down entire hosts and put them up again in a matter of minutes

manic bane
mystic rain
manic bane
manic bane
mystic rain
vivid breach
low notch
vivid breach
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Wait, so to link thinks like Alexa, I have to pay for a subscription service?

lavish anvil
#

Yuck cloud

manic bane
#

I think there's a way to do Alexa/ google home yourself. But Amazon/ google don't make it easy

manic bane
upbeat frost
#

Ignore my question. It was glitch adguard dns with dhcp 😒

mystic rain
manic bane
#

This is why you don't forget your username or password think

mystic rain
#

Hahaa noted ✅

vivid breach
vivid breach
#

Ironically I was looking into HA because of the annoying "this is free, but you have to pay for X, Y, Z additional features" that a lot of other home automation stuff seems to have. Ironically it still seems to be present here.

manic bane
#

Alexa makes it painful and so does google. Linking to HA Cloud first in a single paragraph is handy for people

#

Look at the next paragraph and there's full manual instructions

manic bane
vivid breach
manic bane
#

Try the docs

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That's where the information is

#

If you click HA cloud on your settings list then yes, it will give you info about that

vivid breach
#

Right, but that's not part of the process is it. You go "Add Device > Amazon > Alexa > Buy Cloud". That's it. I didn't click HA Cloud, that page in my screenshot is from me clicking Alexa.

manic bane
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Presumably because it is the easiest method by far

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And that's not HAs fault

#

That's Amazons fault

vivid breach
manic bane
#

They could link it elsewhere in the integration though. Should file something on the github or mention it on the forums

vivid breach
#

It's very dodgy.

manic bane
#

So suggest a change

#

Its the beauty of HA. You can suggest changes

mystic rain
#

I wonder if/when matter comes out fully if this will change things for HA cloud assess.

manic bane
vivid breach
#

You understand how this looks though, right? It feels like a conflict of interest and not in the best interest of the user. It's trying to push a paid product and doesn't even mention any alternatives.

mystic rain
manic bane
rough falcon
#

regarding different images to flash Home Assistant OS - Is there any difference between the .ova and .img files? I understand Home Assistant is the same, but I'm wondering about the image itself. For example, does the .ova imagine include additional drivers for running in a VM that might be missing from the .img

mystic rain
#

HAOS- Loaded into VM. Does anybody know how to access .storage without the use of ssh/ addons?

rough falcon
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ssh or samba addons are the only way I know

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or file editor addon

brazen herald
#

But why are you trying to edit .storage? the point is you're not supposed to edit it

mystic rain
brazen herald
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As it says, .storage is in your config folder. Any files or folders with a . at the start will usually be hidden by any OS

manic bane
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They don’t know their username so only alternative is deleting the folder from that instruction using the console

brazen herald
#

But you can "show hidden files" to see it.

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(Or whatever the equivalent is on your OS)

mystic rain
#

2 secs getting my laptop booted up

brazen herald
#

If you have access to the console of the HA VM, you should be able to navigate to it there, but I don't know that deleting it will work

mystic rain
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Right I’m in to VM HA loaded.

brazen herald
#

Then if you cd config/.storage you would be in the folder

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Note: I don't know how HA will react to deleting these files while it's running

#

Some files may get rewritten immediately

mystic rain
#

Gottyaa

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Right cd config/.storage` is a unknown command 🤷‍♂️

brazen herald
#

Then it's just rm auth and rm... with each of the other files (auth_provider.homeassistant, onboarding, hassio, cloud)

#

What do you get if you type ls -a?

humble scaffoldBOT
#

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

mystic rain
#

Bacily the same unknown command

manic bane
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@brazen herald HAOS console defaults to ha>
Need to swap to normal console first

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Which is where my help for Br4d stopped as I didn't know how lol

brazen herald
#

Oh shoot, yes

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I know where that is in the docs thinks

manic bane
#

I was smart and waiting for someone smarter than me to find it lul

brazen herald
#

I know it's hidden, I want to say it's in the dev docs

fallen lichen
#

Type login

mystic rain
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That’s why it ain’t working and keeps giving me a crappy “unknown command” error then 🤦‍♂️

brazen herald
fallen lichen
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If it's worth saving, running this should output all your usernames, if you want to try resetting the password jq '.data.credentials[].data.user' /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/.storage/auth

brazen herald
mystic rain
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Right typing “log in” gave me the #> instead of HA>

#

I’m getting excited now this is the furthest I have got in a week 😂

mystic rain
fallen lichen
#

In the terminal you just typed in login

mystic rain
#

I’ll try it now 2 secs 🙂

brazen herald
#

You need to make sure it's one word, not 2 🙂

mystic rain
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'.data.credentials[].data.user' /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/.storage/auth`. Where you have [] what I am to put in the gap or just follow to what it says?

fallen lichen
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Nope, leave it as is

#

don't forget the jq at the beginning

mystic rain
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Okay I have out that in

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Now I got > _ with the (_) flashing it’s tittys off 🤦‍♂️

fallen lichen
#

You added a backtick at the end?

brazen herald
fallen lichen
#

Ahh, interesting, you're HAOS?

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That path is valid for my HA OS at least, if you've got a different install, .storage is likely elsewhere

brazen herald
#

I changed the path on mine, but yes it's HAOS

fallen lichen
brazen herald
#

jq '.data.users[].name' followed by the path works to tell me the names

#

(mine is in /config/.storage, but I've sshed in)

fallen lichen
#

Does the credentials array not exist on yours?

brazen herald
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.data.users[].data does not exist

#

Though I shall try the full path you posted, just to be sure

fallen lichen
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no, no, .data.credentials[], that's the array of credential to user mappings

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They are siblings

mystic rain
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jq error: syntex error, unexpected IDENT, exspecting $end (unix she’ll quoting issues?) at <top-level>, line 3: jq data.credentials[].data.user jq 1 compile error

brazen herald
fallen lichen
fallen lichen
brazen herald
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cat /config/.storage/auth | jq '.data.credentials[].data.username' works for me (I prefer to pipe to JQ, but I'm an oddball)

fallen lichen
#

Hah, typos all around, you're right. I omitted name

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jq '.data.credentials[].data.username' /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant/.storage/auth is the correct command I intended to type

mystic rain
#

Same issue even typing the amended command just got > with a flashy underscore no errors nothing

fallen lichen
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Did you end your command w/ a ` (cause you shouldn't)

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or... you have an unclosed quote

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CTRL+C and Up Arrow and double check the command

manic bane
#

Can you send a screenshot

brazen herald
#

In case it's useful to anyone, here is how you can get the user id of the accounts with is_owner set to true:

cat /path/to/config/.storage/auth | jq '.data.users[] | select(.is_owner == true) | .id'

And to get the username of the owner (assuming there is only one)

cat auth | jq ".data.credentials[] | select(.user_id == $USER_ID) | .data.username"
USER_ID=$(cat auth | jq '.data.users[] | select(.is_owner == true) | .id')
mystic rain
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Right okay I have triple checked the command and it is now correct but now I am getting error jq.data.credentials[].data.username: not found….

mystic rain
fallen lichen
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Yeah I think a screenshot of your issue would help @mystic rain

brazen herald
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That's more meant for anyone who needs it in the future Brad than you 🙂

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As I figured it out just now

mystic rain
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Aaaaa right

fallen lichen
#

I think you're missing the quotes all together now, and possibly a space or 2

mystic rain
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Just going to refresh my VM and then try it again and send screenshot

fallen lichen
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The command should be run exactly as typed, and shouldn't have any substitutions or modifications made to it

mystic rain
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Picture of what I keep getting

fallen lichen
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space after jq

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the ' is immediately preceding .data

#

also, it's .storage not zstorage

mystic rain
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Ignore the zstoragw

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ZStorage I changed that *

fallen lichen
#

So then just the beginning should read jq '.data...

mystic rain
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So it’s jq ‘.data

fallen lichen
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Yes, space between the q and '

mystic rain
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JQ (space) ‘.data

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Okay hang on

#

@fallen lichen

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@fallen lichen YOU SIR ARE A GENUINELY A WIZARD!!!!!!!! I can not tell you how happy I am right now 1 whole week I have been trying to sort this! You have helped me achieve it in 30 mins !!!. Thank you so so much!!!!!!! Now I got the small task of resetting my password haha 😂🤦‍♂️

fallen lichen
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Glad to hear you got it worked out

mystic rain
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All thanks to you! Thank you mate!

fallen lichen
#

You bet, happy automating

vivid breach
#

So trying to get the reverse proxy set up to make HA play nice with the rest of the things on the box. It fails with error 400 on everything. Logs show:
[homeassistant.components.http.forwarded] A request from a reverse proxy was received from 127.0.0.1, but your HTTP integration is not set-up for reverse proxies
So the obvious answer would be to add..

  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 127.0.0.1```
... to the config. But even then it still fails with the same error despite now being explicitly allowed. So then I suspect more Docker issues. Is this again due to Docker and what would be the fix?
low notch
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if you have ipv6 enabled use ::1, if you don't use host networking (you should use it) use 172.17.0.1

vivid breach
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Docker is set to use "host"

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I'm not using IPv6 at all (it's disabled on the machine)

low notch
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did you restart ha with the proxy config edited in?

vivid breach
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Yes, I've restarted after every change. Here's the latest attempt, still the same error.

  server_host: 127.0.0.1
  use_x_forwarded_for: true
  trusted_proxies:
    - 127.0.0.1
    - 10.0.0.0/8
    - 172.16.0.0/12```
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(the server's actual IP is 10.0.0.2)

low notch
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172.16 is cloudflare

vivid breach
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172.16 is reserved local

low notch
#

nope

vivid breach
#

Some have been assigned out but that's irrelevant as this is just for testing

low notch
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oh, my brain did dumb

vivid breach
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I mean you're not entirely wrong - "In August 2012, ARIN began allocating “172” address space to internet service, wireless, and content providers. There have been reports from the community that many network operators are denying access to devices having IP addresses from within the entire 172 /8 range. As a result, any device with a 172.x.x.x IP address may have difficulty reaching some sites on the global Internet. The only way to solve this problem is for those operators to reconfigure their routers or firewall access controls and filter only address space from the 172.16.0.0/12 range."

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But yeah, it shouldn't matter here as I just allowed it to make sure the whole docker range was allowed.

low notch
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I'd get rid of server_host

winged bramble
green oak
#

Hi, I have made a clean VB installation on Windows, but apparently in Network Devices the old one is HomeAssistant is visible. How can I get rid of the old one before I make the new installation ?

brisk willow
winged bramble
brisk willow
#

it was a joke because you said you have HA Supervised on docker, implying docker in docker

#

also... pls switch to HA OS or HA Container sadcatto

low notch
#

but I can't incoming

winged bramble
#

HA OS is a no go for me as I need access to the OS...
container could be an option, but currently everything is running fine, so I don't want to make the effort of doing a full migration again... containerization abstracts it all from the underlying OS to make it all work fine

brisk willow
#

just be careful to follow the Supervised requirements exactly unless you want pain

winged bramble
#

I got a few warnings on top with 2022.11, but they kind of complemented eachother... I got no major errors (and I don't see why I would have any, as it is running over 1,5 years fine on this system)

vivid breach
vivid breach
winged bramble
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indentation issue?

vivid breach
#

It was, or rather it was a rogue line from one of the other sections which had ended up added as I was copying and pasting things back and forth.

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Now to figure out why the websocket is failing...

winged bramble
vivid breach
#

It was, but it seems I needed "ws" not "wss". Ace.

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(insecure vs secure I guess)

torn slate
#

Would this be the place to ask for help regarding adding my first device manually in the config via mqtt?

fallen lichen
torn slate
#

okay, thank you @fallen lichen

copper steppe
#

@winged bramble why “need access to the host”? Are you running other stuff? I use virtualisation quite successfully (proxmox for me, but could be esx etc)

green oak
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Question, 3 hours ago I set up VM and got "Preparing Home Assistant" ~20 min. Still same screen after refreshing, restarting VM. What have I done wrong?

fallen lichen
#

Click the blue circle

green oak
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"22-11-08 21:03:57 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.module] Create new issue IssueType.NO_CURRENT_BACKUP - ContextType.SYSTEM / None
22-11-08 21:03:57 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.checks.base] Run check for IssueType.PWNED/ContextType.ADDON
22-11-08 21:03:57 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.check] System checks complete
22-11-08 21:03:57 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] Starting system evaluation with state CoreState.RUNNING
22-11-08 21:03:58 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.evaluate] System evaluation complete
22-11-08 21:03:58 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] Starting system autofix at state CoreState.RUNNING
22-11-08 21:03:58 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.resolution.fixup] System autofix complete"

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nothing interesting here 😄

#

still doesn't run

fallen lichen
#

What resources did you assign it

green oak
#

4GB RAM

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basically all that is on install instruction +

copper steppe
#

Was there errors further up? Especially docker-image type errors?

modern anchor
#

Is there a guide for HA on Librecomputer? Wondering if it's better to try to install HAOS or do a container on Ubuntu or Raspbian (or another Libre OS)

humble mirage
#

You may find that some of the Pi images work on it, depending on which model. If not you're going to have to use your choice of OS + Container

unique edge
#

Is it possible to use Git to manage e.g configuration yaml? I am running HA Os on RBPI

winged bramble
woven ember
#

Hi guys, deep stack is still running on my ha installation on a container. I would like to remove it as well as the container as my HA logs are complaining about it . How can this be done? Thanks

low notch
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how did you remove portainer?

woven ember
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As it is no longer supported by HA it was removed from the gui and add one

low notch
#

what happens if you run docker ps in terminal?

woven ember
#

So I am not able to connect to it anymore . Though I can still connect to deep stack

#

Command not found

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This is using the ha terminal

low notch
#

yeah you need to get access to the subsystem somehow, no idea how you do that in haos

#

easiest would be to connect a monitor and use the shell you get there with login

woven ember
#

My install is on a VM , doesn’t this make it easier maybe?

low notch
#

yes, you should see a screen session

woven ember
#

So in the terminal I just enter login?

low notch
#

you should be able to I believe

woven ember
#

Oh looks like I have to have special credentials and generate some SSH keys

low notch
#

um, let me see...

#

no

#

no need for ssh keys to get the ha > cli

woven ember
#

Yes, on the VM I have access to the command

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Great!

low notch
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good then make note of the id (numbers) which you get for the rogue container

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then do docker stop <id> and docker rm <id>

woven ember
#

Great! I’m sorry , what is the entry for the docket id list?

low notch
#

docker ps

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first column is ids

woven ember
#

When I enter docker ps I don’t get a list

low notch
#

alright let me update mine to 9.3 and see whats happening

#

did you type login ?

#

still works the same in current relase, you must have forgotten to login

woven ember
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You are right! I’m so retarted. You have so much patience haha

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I didn’t think the login was required

#

I have the list and can see the id for the deep stack

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It is all stopped and removed! I really appreciate all your help. Thanks so much for your time 👍🏻

hybrid dagger
#

Can you install the operating system on a Raspberry Pi model 1 B

humble mirage
#

No

hybrid dagger
#

Thanks

#

Can I install any form of Home Assistant?

humble mirage
#

Sure, you can use a Container install

#

It'll not be fast though, the original Pi is only slightly faster than a toaster

hybrid dagger
#

In that case I'll install it on Windows

humble mirage
#

In a VM I hope

brazen herald
meager heron
#

Hello,.I'm using HA supervisor on pi400 I would say that everything goes well untill I install portainer and got unhealthy docker ... Why ? Before I had portainer on it ...

humble mirage
#

Because it's not supported

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If you want to mess about with Portainer you don't use HAOS, or Supervised

meager heron
#

But it was before right ?
How can I know the version that supports it and install that version ?

humble mirage
#

Supervised's ADR is very clear about not doing what you're doing

#

And no, you can't downgrade

#

It's never been supported, it's just that they only added it to the blacklist recently - likely after yet another person broke their install

meager heron
#

Never ?

#

And if I show you a print of my old HA with portainer, you will believe me ?

humble mirage
#

It wasn't supported - it just wasn't blacklisted

#

They fixed that

meager heron
#

No downgrade ? So if I upgrade to a buged version or my backup doesn't work I can't downgrade ? I need to investigate that

humble mirage
#

The only opportunity for downgrades comes if you don't run HAOS/Supervised

meager heron
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The thing is that I would like to add some personal containers and keep the control over portainer, like in used to di 😩

humble mirage
#

Yeah, well, that's never been supported

#

If you're running Supervised it's always been very clear that you don't do that

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HAOS hasn't, since other than Portainer there's never been a way to do that

meager heron
#

Thanks for the explanation

paper oyster
#

Howdy folx! I'm getting back on the horse with HA after not using it for a while and setting up a fresh install on some old(er) hardware. I booted up a live distro on a USB stick and tried using both etcher and dd to write HAOS to the internal drive, but after both, when I reboot and attempt to start HAOS, the system doesn't see a bootable partition at all. I checked in the bios and the internal drive isn't available as a boot option. UEFI is enabled, and as far as I can tell, the system doesn't support secure boot at all. Prior the drive had a dual boot windows 7/ubuntu system on it, so I know the drive is/was bootable.

weary jolt
#

hello everyone, i woke up this morning without being able to start Home Assistant after my pc had updated. it gives the error:

BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0001 "UEFI VBOX CD-ROM VB1-1a2b3c4d " from PciRoot (0xD , 0x0) /Sata(0x1, 0xFFFF,0x0): not found

its the only error i can see when it starts. then it restarts the virual machine in a boot loop.
running on oracle vm newest version.

humble mirage
#

UEFI VBOX CD-ROM sounds like you have the CD-ROM virtual device enabled and in the boot order

weary jolt
#

i turned it off in the boot order, not sure how else to remove them and it gives same error

weary jolt
#

i even tried starting a new vm using a newer image, it doesnt want to run either. must be the vm software

fallen plank
#

HAOS 9.2 instance on a NUC8 has been unexpectedly crashing the past week. It is headless so I don't really catch what is happening on the console. ICMP unresponsive so I am assuming some sort of OS halt or hardware issue. Power cycling recovers with no apparent issue.

Any thoughts where to start looking for crash logs, etc?

crude inlet
#

@fallen plank the home-assistant.log.1 file in the config directory is the logs for the previous run

#

You might also look at host logs, which needs advanced mode enabled and then you can find that in the upper right corner of the logs page

fallen plank
#

Nothing of note in the host logs via the HA logs interface.

strong tulip
#

can i install ha supervised in docker? i tried it 5 times ago but it doesnt work

crude inlet
#

@strong tulip you can't run supervised without docker

#

it's a copy of the HA OS ecosystem which uses docker, but on a different OS (debian)

#

So when you say in docker that's weird

#

And you shouldn't run it. HA OS is managing docker for you. A straight docker install of HA is where you manage it. "Supervised" users want to be both passenger and captain of the plane.

strong tulip
crude inlet
#

You would need to duplicate the whole environment. You don't just "add supervisor" like you add portainer

#

and by plugins I assume you mean addons

#

if you have home assistant, homebridge, and portainer, then you have the same HA that everyone else has

#

it's the supervisor which facilitates other addons (other containers)

#

it conflicts with portainer

strong tulip
#

so it isnt possible that I can use the addons that I need without supervisor and I cant install it?

crude inlet
#

addons are other containers. Which are you referring to specifically?

#

What addon do you want?

strong tulip
#

first tailscale for remote permissions... and i heard there are a lot of other nice addons

humble mirage
#

You can run that yourself

#

If you really want add-ons though you need to install HAOS, which means no non-add-on software

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Or, run two computers, one for HAOS and one for other stufff

kindred lion
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Moving this from #general-archived:
Hi all. I am just setting up a Home Assistant Blue device that has been sitting around for quite a while. It is prompting me for an update from Home Assistant Operating System 5.13 to version 9.3, but is generating an error message when I attempt to upgrade. Also, I have no idea how to get access to the logs to see exactly what error is being thrown. Does anyone have any ideas on how to proceed? I found the forum post at https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-blue-cannot-update-the-os/371769/5, and have console access, but there is still an issue with the update to anything at this point.

crude inlet
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You have to update in stages. What is the error you are seeing?

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5.13 to 6, 6 to 7, etc

kindred lion
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I am discovering this now!

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It's... interesting. I think I am up to 8.5 now.

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I am finally at the point where I can use the GUI to update to 9.3

strong tulip
fallen lichen
strong tulip
fallen lichen
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Unless you're using HA OS, the containers are separate

strong tulip
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and another question... how can i use my ha backup? in the first registration page the backup link to upload it dosnt appear

strong tulip
raw hedge
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yep, still is

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be careful...

humble mirage
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It's reasonable to assume that if you do that you'll end up back in Unsupported and/or Unhealthy

brisk willow
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HA Container welcomes everyone with open arms

paper oyster
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Still hopeful someone can provide some tips on getting HAOS to boot after flashing, My BIOS doesn't see it as a bootable drive

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I tried both Etcher and dd from a live Ubuntu USB, i can see all the partitions in gparted, the first one is bootable. This is a generic x86 machine (an older amd laptop)

glad wraith
paper oyster
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I've looked, afaik the machine doesn't support secure boot. I didn't see any option for it in the bios. I can turn UEFI off, but I don't think that helped either. It's an older AMD A8-4500M

glad wraith
paper oyster
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Yeah, there's no option for secure boot, I can take another look this evening to double check

glad wraith
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So you are trying to boot Ubuntu from USB so you can use Etcher to write HAOS?

paper oyster
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That part I was able to do without issue. I used etcher as well as dd in separate attempts and both wrote the disk just fine, but failed to boot into HAOS.

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the bios only shows the dvd drive as an available boot medium once I remove the usb drive and reboot.

glad wraith
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In the link above there's a big "NOTE" about what to do if your system complains about not being able to find a boot medium

paper oyster
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👀

glad wraith
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A little further than half way down

paper oyster
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aha! I'll give that a go! I'm willing to bet that's it 🙂

glad wraith
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I have a good feeling

paper oyster
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That's what I get for not reading all the docs 😄

dawn flame
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Should the containerized instance of HA not sync the time now and then?

knotty dune
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I am getting an error 503 when I paste hacs download script into my terminal. It says it’s connected to get.hacs.xyz then says http request sent, awaiting response… error 503 service temporarily unavailable. Any support would be appreciated

fallen lichen
brisk willow
dawn flame
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The host changed time Sunday morning but apparently HA (and AD) didn't.

brisk willow
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Are you passing your timezone through to the container? Also, what version of HA are you running?

knotty dune
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@fallen lichen yes I tried the alternate. That says no such file or directory

dawn flame
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Yes, I'm running the latest version and a reboot (updated the installation) fixed it.

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I just thought it might have changed at the appropriate time on Sunday, that's all.

fallen lichen
knotty dune
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@fallen lichen copying that link into my computer web browser takes me to the code. Is that what you meant by other machine?