hardware-archived

[jagged crypt]

@cold moon Wiz Lights Update, I turned on the option in unifi to reduce broadcasts by proxying them with unicasts, and I've been running without lag on the ones that were. Will leave it for another week and see how it goes.

[jagged crypt]

need to figure out if I'm keeping crap on HUE, or moving to ZHA

(non-wiz lights)

no ota for hue firmware on ZHA?

yes, I'll go ask on zigbee

[cold moon]

Manually only for zha but I’d use z2m instead regardless

I still don’t think adding a ton of wireless clients like bulbs is a good idea for airtime fairness

[jagged crypt]

ZHA has worked fine for me, including OTA for ikea buttons, so all good there for now. Will figure out HUE.

[cold moon]

Your loss

[jagged crypt]

I added 20 WiZ lights, seem to be working fine now (only saw latency on a couple, but will see in a week, not calling it success right now). Air-Time issues aren't impacting me, maybe because the crap that i need anything on is 5ghz, so no conflict with IOT 2.4ghz. I also have 3 AP's in the house spread across.

[outer knot]

@merry lily I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[jagged crypt]

I don't use z2m, but the error seems to be pointing at "zigbee-herdsman" not starting

quick google search, adapter firmware issue, usb port mapping issue possible

[merry lily]

I tried to change out per some of the suggestions but no luck seems to be the same error

[golden thorn]

The ezsp driver that is used for the SkyConnect is experimental so you can expect some issues. Is it on a USB extension cable?

[merry lily]

Yes have it on the extension cable - tried direct to Nuc with no difference
I did remove the watchdog to see what was going on and now I get seems it is timing out waiting on communication to happen:
[19:05:15] INFO: Preparing to start...
[19:05:15] INFO: Socat not enabled
[19:05:16] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-09-26 19:05:19: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-09-26.19-05-19' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-09-26 19:05:19: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.33.0 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-09-26 19:05:19: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.18.5)
Error: Reset error: Error: {"sequence":-1} after 10000ms
at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/uart.ts:299:23
at Queue.executeNext (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/queue.ts:32:32)

[fallow mulch]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-canada-is-recalling-these-smart-plugs-over-an-electric-shock-risk-1.6579188

"If you have one of these recalled products, don’t worry< the company says it will remotely disable the smart plug, but make sure you are connected to the internet during this process"

TIL companies can remotely disable our IoT devices

[gloomy spoke]

Thou shalt not use cloud connected devices...

Especially smart plugs

[patent river]

RIP the contents of people's fridges

A total of 2,239 smart plugs were sold in Canada between July 2022 and August 2023

Seems popular 😄

Almost six sold per day

[gloomy spoke]

Fridges on smart plugs seems like a recipe for sadness in any case

[tacit burrow]

My iot switches are all blocked from the internet, so .... should be OK. I use the switches for power-monitoring.

fridges/freezers are high consumers (only below the Sauna, and the router/starlink/switch, in my house)

I turned off one, but still have a fridge-freezer and a (very old) chest freezer.

Month of september

[patent river]

You clearly need a more efficient router 😉

I mean I can't talk, my router/switch/four APs/two UPSs/server/NAS is probably in the 200W kind of neighbourhood

[tacit burrow]

“Router” is a plug that has 1-2 proxmox hosts, Poe switch for my aps, and (most of the power) Starlink

My nas and workshop switch is not on the list fwiw

[patent river]

50kWh/mo ~= 70W, so I guess not that bad overall

[tacit burrow]

That’s about 95W (my nas+ups+switch)

Between solar and battery, I don’t pay for power 3/4 of the year anyway

Month of September

“Router “ easily the highest per month

I think nas would be a little higher if I was monitoring it like that

I’ll set up an integration for it…

Oops it already has one

Uses bang on 2kWh/day

[jagged crypt]

Lyricnz, got my first "crappy" day yesterday on solar, had a ~20% generation

[tacit burrow]

Yeah it’s spring here. Still going to have a few crappy days before summer

[jagged crypt]

we had the gray, and a little rain - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__QqQq9XBsQ

[gloomy juniper]

Did you had a chance working with Dali?
I wonder if its possible to integrate it and using which BUS/PS model.

Thanks!

[drifting grove]

http://pastie.org/p/7ggZqsJLpzZz9VC6zAopZM

[karmic cargo]

Has anyone used the Aqara Presence Sensor FP2? https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Positioning-Multi-Person-Detection-Assistant/dp/B0BXWZMQJ3?ref_=ast_sto_dp
Sounds like it's some really cool tech, but based on a couple of reviews at Amazon, it also sounds like it's not quite ready for the big time...

[winged knoll]

Search should find quite a few people talking about it

[cold moon]

you cant really trust amazon reviews regardless

[karmic cargo]

Yup, seeing that now. My bad. Sorry.

[cold moon]

i havent kept up but in general i consider FP2 to be a good albiet overpriced product

[karmic cargo]

True, especially for the positive "5-star+++" reviews. A number of the bad reviews are more than just "this doesn't work, it suxors!!" type reviews, so I feel they're more trustworthy. That is why I came here...

[cold moon]

unless they have some bad batch or something.. with them being like $80+ i would expect reddit and people here to be shouting loudly if they were fucked

[merry lily]

Found that for some whack reason the firmware had been changed out. Went to the website https://skyconnect.home-assistant.io/firmware-update/ and reloaded the correct firmware and it now loads without any issue.

[zealous dune]

It is not, zone detection is buggy and unreliable

[cold moon]

is this new?

i havent seen people talking about them sucking...

[zealous dune]

New? It's been like that since it came out even with firmware updates

[cold moon]

bummer

[zealous dune]

Noonecsaid "sucking"

[cold moon]

i definitely didnt have that impression based on what i have seen/heard

[gentle fossil]

my mmwave sensor detects me around the wall

[zealous dune]

I prefer to make impressions by trying out the product for a longer time period

[jagged crypt]

still debating mmwave sensors, but looks like I can get hue sensors for $30/each new from costco

[tepid heart]

I've been planning on trying out a couple of these (zigbee ceiling mount version) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004793115950.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.20.21ef1802RnIsde heard good things on the forum.

I just have to work out how to trial them without actually cutting holes in the ceiling. Only doing that once I'm happy with them.

[patent river]

Top looks flat enough. 3M Command adhesive strips.

[tepid heart]

That could work. 👍

I was thinking a bit of ply or acrylic mounted to the light fitting.

[cold moon]

Half the fun is rigging stuff up with tape like a crackhead tho

[inland onyx]

Hey guys just have a question, i have just gotten my rasberry pi and SSD card for it. i have taken all the steps to make it boot of the SSD card but Home assistant just isnt booting. The adapter im using for the SSD card shows there isnt any power going to to the SSD. Does this mean i need to get an adapter that supplies power?

[jagged crypt]

I looked at the https://www.screek.io/ again, then just ordered 4 more hue sensors for now. Need to figure out the logic on disabling the motion sensor in the living room when the TV is on, which will probably alleviate current issues with living room changing size (new house), and optimal motion sensor placement has not been found yet.

[tepid heart]

Even if it was supplying power, you'd probably need one anyway. The pi power supply often does not have enough power for an SSD. SD cards use a whole lot less power.

[inland onyx]

thanks for your help!

[cold moon]

I had no issues with a star tech 3.0 one with an inland ssd booting on a pi4 with the official usb power

But I’ve heard that

You also might need to update the bootloader or eeprom if it’s an old pi

[inland onyx]

i bought a rasbery pi 4

[cold moon]

And there’s also known working usb to sata adapters with pi’s

They don’t all just work

[inland onyx]

ok, ill look into getting a better adapter

thanks for the help

[cold moon]

#general-archived message

[gentle fossil]

I have two similar cheap mmwave zigbee sensors from ali, they detect movement in a completely different room just because there's a door open between

depending on your setup you may even want that but in my case its quite bad because I just need to move in my bed and the lights in the living room go on

[gentle fossil]

oh, its apparently exactly the same sensor, I have the flat square like one with usb

[gritty sequoia]

Hi all!
I am thinking of purchasing home assistant yellow and wanted to explore the possibility of adding 4G M2 modem, basically to always have backup internet connection or even send SMS messages in case of any events.
Can some one clarify if its possible and if so propose some potential M2 modems I could use ?

[gentle fossil]

use something like GL.iNet GL-XE300 for your 4g connection, it even comes with a battery integrated and they are ultra customizable with openwrt. I wouldn't go with that m.2 and I doubt its easy to get working

[patent river]

You'd also need (at the very minimum) an M.2 B-to-M or E-to-M adapter, because the yellow has a M-key slot and most if not all modems aren't

[gritty sequoia]

something like that https://www.ebay.com/itm/256193231780?var=556177628580&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-167022-165022-9&mkcid=2&itemid=556177628580_256193231780&targetid=1890534104577&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9061577&poi=&campaignid=19976658658&mkgroupid=150577995520&rlsatarget=pla-1890534104577&abcId=9311596&merchantid=5085164782&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpc-oBhCGARIsAH6ote-JXq3Z5_UVBm-dJ7aXYxR4xC4USVlYVNwV9dhIkFMWwWZOKasLCq4aApl6EALw_wcB?

[patent river]

Not quite. That's M.2 B to Mini PCIe

Look, if you're really desperate:
https://www.cm-tech.com.tw/en/product-634456/M-2-B-Key-or-M-2-M-Key-to-M-2-B-plus-M-Key-with-Dual-Nano-SIM-Card-N266A.html
Example modem: https://www.ebay.com/itm/264780577088 (I have no idea if this would work)
Your problem is you need a modem that works a) without an additional driver, and b) without "dialling" or any kind of software (just shows up as a network interface).

But all of this would be much simpler if you took @gentle fossil's suggestion and bought a cheap Ethernet 4G router

[gentle fossil]

and you will need to run debian on that yellow, which in itself will get you in trouble afaik

[gritty sequoia]

its not the desperation its just that having it all in one place would be more dandy 😛
I suppose any USB 4g Modem would work too ?

[cold moon]

Yea don’t get a yellow lol

Get a mini pc plus whatever cradlepoint or knock off

[gentle fossil]

USB4 bro in what time do you live?

[gritty sequoia]

already ordered it 😛

[cold moon]

Sucks

[gritty sequoia]

cant be that bad 🙂

[gentle fossil]

oh usb4 is a actual thing

i thought its all usbc 3.something gen.somethingelse

[cold moon]

Like Wi-Fi 7 is a thing?

[gentle fossil]

USB4 Gen 4 wtf usb alliance?

[cold moon]

Usb naming conventions are some of the dumbest I’ve ever seen

Super speed!

With a cute little slanted ss logo

[gentle fossil]

there's USB 5 and USB 6 cables on amazon already

wake up sheeples

[tepid heart]

Ah, good to know. I ordered one to test as it is on special. Will see how I go.

I have PIR's for movement sensing but they don't work for sitting or lying still, so not much good for presence sensing. Is your sensor aimed through the door? I should be able to find a ceiling moounted location where that is minimised.

[gentle fossil]

green are doors, I suspect it reflects upon that wall opposite of the door

[cold moon]

Is that a pokeball top left?

[gentle fossil]

yes, that is a roborock pokeball

[tepid heart]

Wow. Yeah that is a bit sensitive.

[fresh zenith]

https://youtu.be/nBtOEmUqASQ

New M.2 hat looks good

[gentle fossil]

thats not all i need to know. i need to know MORE

[fresh zenith]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/

[gentle fossil]

alright alright cowboy

maybe you want to take a look around, these links are already posted

[fresh zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[gentle fossil]

its nice that you now at least see the memory size without checking serial or booting it

and the projects with 3d capabilities and two cameras will be interesting

[glacial oracle]

The 5v@5a spec makes me worry lol

And it's still using microsd wtf

[zealous dune]

secret deal with Big SDCard

[glacial oracle]

they don't want us to know about this shhh

[zealous dune]

but hey, here's an M2 hat if you don't like it

[glacial oracle]

At least whatever than 2-3x performance gain is supposed to be will bring it up to speed with mid range core2duos

[zealous dune]

the rpi cult will buy em all up nevertheless

[glacial oracle]

Probably already happened

[zealous dune]

it did, people on twitter already complaining about availability

[fresh zenith]

Can't wait to load windows up on one and wait 20 minutes for task manager to open

[zealous dune]

that's like the worst way to use an rpi i heard of

[glacial oracle]

I am kinda interested in what will happen to the zimablade once it comes out
It would be -reasonable- if they wouldn't have fd up the port placements

Also emmc yuck

Like at the price it's more of a pi without the cake

[zealous dune]

i like the zimablade concept but hardware choices are meh

[glacial oracle]

Yea no idea why'd they put that old hw on it

[zealous dune]

cheap

[glacial oracle]

Probably cheap bought big stock or something

Stop reading my mind thank you

[silver kayak]

Not sure if this is the right channel. Are mini PCs highly recommended for HA ? Going to also run frigate and some cameras using coral. Wanted to know if there was a preffered model of like a beelink or similar easily ordered in US for ~500 or less

[zealous dune]

Model depends on your needs and power consumption preference

[silver kayak]

power consumption isnt super big deal as it is not super expensive where i live. More concerned with the thing overheating if anything related to power.

i just want to buy something that i will not need to replace for a while as well

[hexed galleon]

Going to Buy a NSPanel

I see there are two buttons , can I setup those to control entities in HASS?

[cold moon]

No, but also yes

Pretty sure those have a lot of shit reviews tho

Sonoff isn’t known for quality

[zealous dune]

Anything with a 12th gen Intel is fairly future proof

[minor quiver]

How about 13th gen tho? 😛

[zealous dune]

sure, if you can find them

[minor quiver]

Looks pretty available to me

£740 after the voucher, albeit still too pricy for my liking

[zealous dune]

sure if you want to dunk so much money on a small smart home server

[minor quiver]

Well in my case it would also be:

• general Docker/development host
• Plex + helpers server
• Matrix server

And a few other roles.

[cold moon]

Do you already have a NAS or server with a bunch of hdds for cameras and Plex?

Or do you plan to build out a DAS?

You’re way past all things on a nuc territory

[zealous dune]

thats not enough roles for that money

[minor quiver]

Technically, I already have that built out. Honestly I was just pulling blakadder's leg about the 13th gen 😄

[zealous dune]

well the op said 500$ or less which was taken into account

[minor quiver]

I have a QNAP TS-h973AX for storage, and an "M6 Mini PC" for Plex (the QNAP has an older Ryzen without GPU, even simple things like chapter thumbnail extraction takes ages), HA, and a bunch of other services

[cold moon]

Not great lol

[minor quiver]

If I upgraded the M6, it would be to something similar in size - a NUC is 4-6x larger

[minor quiver]

Works for me, so

And the M6 uses about 4W idling, 8-10W under load

Oh, and runs off USB-C!

Specifially, I used a 60W capable travel adapter that comes with USB-PD

Not that it ever uses all the 60W

(but that was the only one I could find that supported 12V PD)

[minor quiver]

I did not see that. An i5 is (almost) within that price range. Don't forget UK prices include taxes

[zealous dune]

don;t all prices included taxes except muricas?

[minor quiver]

Yep, but presuming from the $500, I was guessing that OP was from there

Therefore a simple webshop showing a $480 mini PC could easily end up costing 20-30% more

[zealous dune]

american sales taxes aren't that high

[jagged crypt]

10% is easy estimate

[glacial oracle]

Why not take something not nuc branded

Usually that's twice the performance for not even half the price as a result

[jagged crypt]

I run an SFF with an i5-6500t (not running frigate) - it was around $150 with 16 gigs of ram and 256 nvnme ssd

[silver kayak]

so you guys recommend the nuc linked above over a beelink or something else?

im from US..

yeah 500 or less is ideal for sure.. i think 800 is probably overlkill for anything id put on it

[cold moon]

where will the footage for frigate save to?

[silver kayak]

Good question. I was thinking on the same hardware but I’m new to this so not sure if that works or not. I have a strong personal pc that can also house the videos I want to keep.

[cold moon]

Neither of those are good options

Assuming you are wanting to save recordings for days/weeks

[silver kayak]

Do you have recommendations ? This is my first time using frigate / saving video like this

[cold moon]

really gotta have some more info to make decisions like that for you

what's the end goal? fully local NVR with features you'd expect from a decent paid system?

[velvet granite]

If no one has noticed yet a Pi5 https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/

[zealous dune]

WHAT!?!?!?

[glacial oracle]

I don't think pi is 5

[winged knoll]

You too could spend more for a Pi than a second hand PC, and get worse performance per watt

[silver kayak]

Yes that sounds reasonable. For me. Ideas to keep an eye on my property when home and away. Save videos etc if needed. Frigate / recognition for a fun project to toy around with. I think for my wife- she wants just fully basic remotely open and watch through the camera..

[glacial oracle]

It's not thaaat bad. At least it now is about equal to an E7300

[cold moon]

It’s the SBC we all needed in 2013

[glacial oracle]

I suspect that they have hired the apple engineers

[velvet granite]

Use case...If your project can run in its envelope and no PC is this small and can run at 4~5watts.

[cold moon]

pi5 isnt gonna run at 5watts if a pi4 runs at 5watts lol

it's a 5v5amp psu this time not 5v3amp

[velvet granite]

it still looks powered by a usb3

[cold moon]

also i thought you were on team mini pc

[winged knoll]

My old i5 laptop is way faster than a Pi4 and sits down in the 5 to 10 watt range

[cold moon]

ye

[jagged crypt]

i went from pi3 -> i5-6500t, the extra ram was the huge win

[cold moon]

i noticed my dashboards were a bit snappier, specifically the ones with multiple camera feeds on them

backups faster, restarts faster

addons faster.. just straight up a better option

plus all the guys who can now use proxmox and virtualize hass or add other shit to it

the m910q also can have a coral or 2.5GbE m.2 E key which is super useful

[minor quiver]

Someone's gotta be taking the Pi55

[narrow elk]

Does anyone know of any OOTB ready load cell/pressure/weight sensors?

[minor quiver]

There aren't many 13th gen mini PCs available yet. All I saw were £500+ for an i3.

[minor quiver]

How 'bout a 5-disk RAID array over USB3?

[cold moon]

raid?

[glacial oracle]

Probably will work

[minor quiver]

Probably RAID5/6 or ZRAID1/2

[glacial oracle]

Id keep an eye open for minisforum when they release new stuff. You can grab pretty sick deals on older barebones then

[minor quiver]

But I'm just kidding

(although I've been planning on building such an array for backup using bare naked SATA SSDs)

[glacial oracle]

Me who runs zfs raid 5 over USB: 💀

[minor quiver]

Well see your primary problem was using RAID5 with ZFS. You gotta go RAIDZ1 for them performance points

[glacial oracle]

It's already SSD only storage

[zealous dune]

ready how?

[glacial oracle]

It won't get faster than <10gbit

[minor quiver]

20 if it's USB4

[glacial oracle]

I tried slapping the USB port but it just won't work faster

[minor quiver]

(who am I kidding there ain't no USB4 SATA JBOD/RAID boards out there yet)

[glacial oracle]

It's a wonder they offer USB 3 speeds

Like there are exactly what 3 enclosures which make sense for that

[minor quiver]

Well for my purposes it doesn't need to be fast. The end goal is using 1TB/2TB SSDs for some semi-fast, rarely used storage (pushing backups and sometimes pulling them)

[proper frost]

bruh

pi 5 releasing soon

my ass just bought a 4

[glacial oracle]

Yea I kinda do use it for that exactly

The qnap ones

I forgot what their id was

[minor quiver]

ISTFG if someone mentions the Pi5 again...

[proper frost]

80 bucks for the 8 GB version

Thats how much I paid for the 4

[cold moon]

found the zoomer...

[proper frost]

Nah resellers will get it up to 300

[glacial oracle]

TR-002/4 or TL-008 or something

[proper frost]

There is no way in hell its gonna be sold for 80

[zealous dune]

another one bites he dust

[glacial oracle]

Not entirely sure if I would trust the built in raid capabilities

[minor quiver]

Did take a look, but too fucking expensive for what it does. There was a Pi HAT that did 4x SATA3 over 2x USB3 ports, but it's not in stock anymore

[zealous dune]

it already is presold for that price

[minor quiver]

Hardly, I'm borderline millenial

[proper frost]

They have a m2 head 😭

[cold moon]

i live somewhat close to the dallas microcenter if you guys want to get on a waiting list for me to resell pi5 at an unnecessary markup to you

[proper frost]

it has a power button

its just

yum

[zealous dune]

the fun times are when the rest wants one and they overpay to ebay resellers

[glacial oracle]

I felt like throwing money aways because shiny!!!

[minor quiver]

Hey I did the same for the U.2 to double M.2 adapters

Tho I did not regret those

[zealous dune]

they definitely learned a lot from apple... look a new feature: power button

[glacial oracle]

I need you to slide me a link to those into my dms

[proper frost]

nah it was long needed

[minor quiver]

Do you have a QNAP NAS that has U.2 ports? 😄

[glacial oracle]

I do have a mini PC with an m2 slot

Oh wait it's the other direction

[zealous dune]

weird how they didnt think of it in its third and fourth iteration

[glacial oracle]

:pain:

[minor quiver]

Yeah...

My NAS has 2x U.2

[cold moon]

i mean the official pi4 power adapter has a button on it.. that counts right?

[minor quiver]

Slapped 4x 1TB SSDs in there at full speed

[glacial oracle]

Used u2 SSDs are pretty rad priced. I want em

But Synology won't do that

Cough 500 bucks for the expansion unit to a 400 buck nas

[zealous dune]

these rpi fans sound exactly like apple cult when 15 was announced

[minor quiver]

Isn't it literally just an extra GPIO hardcoded for power function?

[glacial oracle]

Yes rpis will need fans very soon

[minor quiver]

Wut

[glacial oracle]

Hopefully they implemented usbcpd correctly this time around...

[zealous dune]

no, its a special feature only available in the newest generation of the beloved raspberry pi family

[minor quiver]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait you're serious, let me laugh harder

[glacial oracle]

Yes

[zealous dune]

pi5 requires an active cooling solution already

[glacial oracle]

I do love this benchmark. Is it just me or is the soc actually about to use 11w

[cold moon]

"longer is better" psh i knew that

[glacial oracle]

To gain E7300 type of performance

Noo it's how you use this math!

[glacial oracle]

At which it should use as much as your average N100 which does 9.6x that

[zealous dune]

mine maxes out at 18W during compiling esphome binaries

[glacial oracle]

But it also will reencode 4k video without breaking a sweat at around 10-15w

[zealous dune]

sure, but who needs that...

or converting speech to text in a reasonable timeframe

[glacial oracle]

Or supporting sleep

Crazy

[proper frost]

the official cooler is so loud 💀

The reason i use a pi over a mini pc is I dont need active cooling

[zealous dune]

not all mini pc's require active cooling

[proper frost]

true

[zealous dune]

i've heard so many "reasons" for using Pi over insert better alternative

[minor quiver]

The only borderline legitimate reason is the open source nature + support

For everything else, there's MasterCard about two dozen different SBC manufacturers

[sonic venture]

Pcie slot hmm interesting with Home assistant

[drifting grove]

it works over sonoff lan of hacs

[zealous dune]

Mega resurrection

[gloomy spoke]

especially now that the Pi5 will be in the $80+ price point

they're even trying to call it a PC alternative

which is a long way from its hobbiest roots

[zealous dune]

Well it is, better than an Atom PC

[cold moon]

pi foundation is basically all for profit now anyways

not the same company anymore

[zealous dune]

Can't sell an 80$ device as hobbyist

[velvet granite]

It is a valid alternative PC for developing countries

[zealous dune]

older PC are PC alternative for developing countries

[velvet granite]

ive used it as a pc myself and its fine for web browsing etc

[zealous dune]

there's an entire recycling industry for that

[velvet granite]

older PCs dont exist in developing nations and Pi's do

[zealous dune]

that's an odd statement

[velvet granite]

out of warrantee PCs is a developed nation thing, lets dump them somewhere

[cold moon]

Dude web browsing on a pi 4 ssd boot fucking sucks

I was so disappointed when I tried

[velvet granite]

Ive used a pi4 for that and I found it fine

[jagged crypt]

ug, turned on emulated hue to test something with alexa, now i am manually removing 150 devices from alexa.... because as far as I can tell, dark-design makes it impossible to do bulk removes

[cold moon]

that's what you get for piping data straight to bezos pockets 😛

[jagged crypt]

🤕

[jagged crypt]

delete all, turn off "auto expose", expose the 6 items i wanted to test with, smaller headache now

[quick smelt]

Does anyone uses Sonoff Zigbee smart plugs?

[last creek]

not if they're out of stock worldwide

they get used a lot now in specialised products just cause it saves engineering time

e.g. I found a company who sells budget indoor golf radar things powered by a CM4 (might have been a CM3)

and as stupid as that sounds, i'm not aware of another company who sells that kind of device for less than 5 figures

so clearly it works...

during the silicon shortage companies couldn't get their fancy custom silicon so they started hoarding all the raspberry pis so they could use them instead

[devout quartz]

Trying to find a 60" ceiling fan in the US for under $350
not sure on amazon how to to tell which ones might be tuya or something else that HA works with

[devout parrot]

Just buy a decent dumb ceiling fan and wire it to a flashed Sonoff ifan04 or, if you've got the wiring for it, an inovelli smart fan switch or something.

[faint raven]

If I wanted something desktop-ish and open-source-ish, I'd have to look at PCs with CoreBoot.

[zealous dune]

Yes

[mortal minnow]

Hello! Quick question - I am changing hardware from a RPi to ODROID. I have a ZWave stick running on the RPi. Is there anything specific I need to do before switching the stick over and restoring my backup onto the new server?

in terms of the stick - and the entire 50 device network - being properly recognized by the HA instance on the new hardware?

[wraith tiger]

Hello, I want to buy something like this:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mteL3ns
Display (WiFi connected) -> DoorBell -> door unlock
But I want it to Work with homeassistant and everything I found about this tuya device was its not supported. Is there any supported device same type?
Wifi display -> FTP POE -> door bell -> FTP -> Gate motor

Need to Ring bell -> see on display video + option to open/close gate from display + same on home assistant see notification when ring + video + unlock option

Please help me, I search for answers 3 days, nothing found

[signal mica]

Hello, i have a compatible Tuya dual meter, i discovered that i can't use it via Tuya IOT platform as it is not reporting voltage and current consumptions. Is there a work-around to use the device logs ? "2023-09-29 12:39:39 Report Current_b 17732mA device itself"

[gentle fossil]

Get a doorbell with video thats supported.
Pretty much all you need. Leaving tuya out of play here is apparently hard for some but clearly doable

And please don‘t use FTP for anything

[lilac nova]

sftp is much securer scnr

[wraith tiger]

FTP cable 8 pin between devices

[wraith tiger]

I need it because when Ill sell house not everybody like home assistant integration and they need standart wiring in fence

[gentle fossil]

My comment was regards using the FTP protocol, not UTP/FTP cabling.
It wasn‘t clear what that meant in your question

[subtle sail]

so… i messed up. i’m stuck on the RPi boot screen/bootloader. my SD Card is getting probably 120°F after running it. it’s saying Unable to read then so on. hasn’t worked. i have backups but the UI/frontend isn’t accessible. this is a RPi4B!

[dreamy spear]

has anyone looked into the RPI 5 and USB-PD?

it seems they are using a non compliant spec on the pi side

by demanding 5A, 5V

[winged knoll]

You'd have hoped they'd have learned from the Pi4 problems... but noooo

[tacit pilot]

I have venetian blinds except there's no pull string to raise and lower them, you just push/pull to raise/lower. Is there any kind of device that would be able to raise/lower these kinds of blinds?

[dreamy spear]

I can't find any source which looked into it, but it seems non compliant? Essentially forcing you to use their own powersupply?

[winged knoll]

Could be PPS?

Newest version of PD apparently supports 5A

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C#USB_Power_Delivery

https://manhattanproducts.eu/pages/usb-c-pd-charging-everything-you-need-to-know

(yeah, given the track record, the odds aren't good)

[dreamy spear]

I was reading this: https://www.usb.org/document-library/usb-power-delivery

specifically page 76 of the PD 3.1 spec

[subtle sail]

can i get help?

[winged knoll]

You've power cycled the Pi?

[subtle sail]

about 10 times

[winged knoll]

Well... something is wrong if the SD is that hot

Either the Pi or the SD card

[subtle sail]

i know. i’m wondering why

so, i have a USB drive, plug it in (the one that has a HA OS installation) and that doesn’t get hot

i have a case fan, heatsinks and more

[winged knoll]

Maybe the SD is toast

[subtle sail]

i think so.

[winged knoll]

A common problem with HA and SD cards

[subtle sail]

and as soon as the USB is in it boots

[subtle sail]

😐

[subtle sail]

not fully but yeah boots

[winged knoll]

Power problems can also cause corruption on SD cards

[subtle sail]

power?

[winged knoll]

Power

[subtle sail]

oh.

what power issues?

[winged knoll]

SD cards are easy to corrupt, if the power supply for the Pi4 isn't stable and providing enough power (volts and amps) then the SD can be corrupted

[subtle sail]

wait if it isn’t and not too much?

wait so only not enough could cause or or both

[winged knoll]

Not enough power...

[subtle sail]

i don’t think thats possible with a old macbook charger tho

[winged knoll]

If it provides 4.5V, or only 2A when it needs 2.5A

[subtle sail]

it gives like 20

[winged knoll]

Well, good news, the Pi range is known to not exactly follow standards for power interfaces

[subtle sail]

is that bad

[winged knoll]

Also, the Pi uses 5V, not 20V

[subtle sail]

so that can fry it?

[winged knoll]

Well, yes but no, but yes

[subtle sail]

i’ll check the actual rating

[winged knoll]

it'll only provide 5V to the Pi

The question is whether it can provide enough amps

(and whether the Pi can negotiate enough amps)

[dreamy spear]

I've had nothing but bad experiences with anything but the official power supplies on a pi

[subtle sail]

how much amps required

[winged knoll]

Running a Pi with anything other than the official power supplies is a roll of the dice

The official recommendation for a Pi 4 is 5.1V at 3.0A

[subtle sail]

uhhh

[winged knoll]

(Thank you Google)

[subtle sail]

frick

rated at 1.3 amps

[dreamy spear]

haha

[winged knoll]

1.3 amps at 240V/110V?

[subtle sail]

well that didnit

[subtle sail]

well its a chromebook charger

[winged knoll]

You've got to understand how V and A relate

[subtle sail]

ik

[winged knoll]

1.3A at mains voltage != 1.3A at 5V

[subtle sail]

i’m dumb

[subtle sail]

good or bad?

[outer knot]

@subtle sail When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

[winged knoll]

Yes, good or bad

That's a pretty meaningless question...

[subtle sail]

no i wont

[winged knoll]

Ok... bye then

[subtle sail]

oh now i get it

[subtle sail]

i did

[winged knoll]

Time to get a new SD card, do a fresh HAOS flash, and restore your backup

[subtle sail]

yep.

wait supply too?

[winged knoll]

Depends... you've been pretty vague about what it is

[subtle sail]

?

[winged knoll]

You said "old macbook charger" then "chromebook charger"

Those both encompass a lot of options

What kind of amps can it provide at 5V?

[subtle sail]

it’s a HP Chromebook Charger 100-240V- 1.4A, 50-60Hz

[winged knoll]

1.4A input at 100V to 240V

Output is what matters

[proper frost]

Raspberry Pie

xd

[subtle sail]

oh brb

FRICK PING

[glacial oracle]

I don't think this is readable like that

[wraith tiger]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[subtle sail]

5V==3A / 9V==3A / 12V==3A / 15V==3A 45W max

it says

output

[wraith tiger]

Sorry it was so funny for me at the moment I saw it… In Home Assistant Discord 👀🤣

[winged knoll]

So, 5V 3A should be ok

[subtle sail]

k. then its just then SD card?

[winged knoll]

Probably

[subtle sail]

k

[stable cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[urban tusk]

How is everyone handling fp2 at an angle to maximize the fov?

[subtle sail]

sorry for ping- WAIT! wouldn’t erasing the drive just erase my backup

[winged knoll]

Sorry, not sorry

Were you actually sorry you wouldn't have pinged me

[subtle sail]

then i wouldn’t get a answer and erase my drive 😐

[winged knoll]

And... finally... if you didn't ever download/upload your backups then you never really had backups

[subtle sail]

then uhm

[winged knoll]

Well, don't worry about getting any more answers from me 😉

[subtle sail]

why’d the ui say i did

anyways its fine

[winged knoll]

You could have just asked the question and anybody could have answered, including me... but no, lack of patience wins out over manners

[cold moon]

tink i just ordered one of those aqara zig 3.0 motion sensors

wonder if i'm gonna end up liking it better than my trusty hue ones

i think i might put it on the stairs since hue is 30 second retrigger time compared to the aqara's 1...

[subtle sail]

i’m sorry

[cold moon]

it's too late once you ignore his requests multiple times you are on the shitlist

i think if you post a pic of yourself with a shoe on your head it has a chance to bump you off the shitlist tho

[devout parrot]

the Aqara P1? That should have a configurable detection interval from 30 seconds to 3 minutes.

[subtle sail]

oh wait a second i did or did i-

welp

😦

[cold moon]

p1 says down to 1 second...

[devout parrot]

Ok yeah 1-200 so a little more both ways.

[cold moon]

well <30 second retrigger for stairs is useful imo

cuz a second person might come down or go up right after

or you turn around cuz you were zoned out and forgot your phone

etc etc

[devout parrot]

Yeah you could have whatever automations on some pretty small time windows with that. Lights only on if someone's actually on the stairs as opposed to being on for a minute or two after and stuff like that.

[cold moon]

well basically i have lights go off after ~30seconds but with retrigger time being 30 seconds that window easily jumps to 1min, 1min30, etc

if it ever takes me more than 30 seconds to go up the stairs just take me out back and shoot me

[hexed galleon]

I bought a nspanel US version but It Is with horizontal View >.<

Any idea on how to fix that ?

I dont ser any orientation setting

[cold moon]

probably best to flash it over to esphome or tasmota - i've seen some guides on them posted

[quick needle]

This question might have been asked a thousand times but..
I'm on the hunt for a keypad for alarmo. I have a very solid and extended zigbee and wireless network, but I don't like stuff that requires apps or communicates with the cloud.

Months ago there was an abundance of zigbee keypads, now there is simply nothing on the market, neither on amazon (eu) nor on AliExpress (which is kinda funny)

What can I use as a solution? Does somebody have any ideas on where to find something like a wireless keypad working locally with home assistant?

[cold moon]

Ring keypads can be paired to a zwave controller and are a popular option

There’s lots of info on the forums about using them

[jagged crypt]

Gonna have to let me know, I just ordered 4 more hue ones 🙂

seeing a ~10 second cool down on the hue it looks like:

[steep mist]

Hi Peeps, I have a google speaker in my baby rooms I would like to stop the chime at the beggining, I am aware of some script that may or not work not sureifconvinced as threads look actively being discussed still so looking for the vibe here, i've heard sonos speakers don't play the chime natively based on a tts? so maybe a bose google assistant speaker best device for the room?

[jagged crypt]

? https://www.googlenestcommunity.com/t5/Speakers-and-Displays/How-do-I-turn-off-the-chiming-sound-I-hear-before-I-m-told-about-a-reminder/m-p/3854

[upper elbow]

Landlord's fitted a new boiler with a cheap wireless sender receiver. Old one was an aging unit so I just hooked a relay into the thermostat signal pins on the boiler.
This one instead comes with a paired esrtp4rf+ unit.
Believe it works on the 868mhz range.
Anyone have any experience with hooking in to this as this time around id prefer to use the existing rather than mess around with anything that I'd need to change back at some point.

[cold moon]

Hue is 30 for retrigger time

[silver kayak]

Is there any compatibility issues going amd beelink mini pc instead of intel? Seems like a lot of good options. Mostly basic devices plus cameras and frigate + coral is what I’ll use.

[glacial oracle]

you may loose or gain some accelerator features depending on what comes with those cpus

[silver kayak]

It seems if I want to target 500 or less, only amd models get me like 32gb ddr 5 ram. Probably overkill but just using it to compare since there are so many models to choose from.

Don’t really know how else to pick one from all the options

[steep mist]

no I mean when you do a tts or playmedia it will ping the devices

[karmic cargo]

I'm considering setting up a WiFi VLAN for my IoT devices so I can block all internet acces to/from them. Since they're all already configured in HA, what things do I need to be aware of in order to ensure that they're still detectable by HA as I move them over to the new VLAN?

[jagged crypt]

Looks like 15s or less in my logbook, maybe a newer firmware?

[cold moon]

you can make it go back to occupied after 15seconds of going unoccupied -> occupied?

[jagged crypt]

look at the logbook paste i put it, motion detected -cleared -detected in 15 seconds

[glossy prism]

It's configurable. The minimum cooldown is 10 seconds

[cold moon]

i thought that was it just resetting the no occupancy not the actual time it takes to be able to go back to motion detected

no_occupancy_since: Sends a message after the last time no occupancy (occupancy: false) was detected. When setting this for example to [10, 60] a {"no_occupancy_since": 10} will be send after 10 seconds and a {"no_occupancy_since": 60} after 60 seconds. The value must be a list of [object Object]. from: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/9290012607.html

[glossy prism]

Right, the length of time after the last time motion was detected

[devout parrot]

The Xfinity XHK1-UE is a decent option for Zigbee. They're all over eBay new and used.

[cold moon]

those are pretty reasonable.. are they reliable?

[glossy prism]

I have two. They're great

The contact sensors on the other hand...

[devout parrot]

I have a couple of the contact sensors, picked them up on Amazon because they were like $6, and they work fine as long as they're paired through a nearby router. Bulky though.

[glossy prism]

I had major battery drain issues on almost all of mine. I gave up on them

[patent river]

What kind of device are you using for HA? Definitely the best way is to give HA a 2nd network interface in the IoT VLAN.
There's just so much stuff that needs broadcast traffic to work, or just outright fails to work unless you go through a bunch of NAT gymnastics.
If you're using HAOS this is a cinch (I think you will want physical console access, so probably easier if you have a VM), either can do VLANs on one NIC, or two NICs.

[karmic cargo]

Go easy on me, as I know just enough about networking to be dangerous (to myself).
I'm running HA in a docker with the network set up in host mode. I've only got a single NIC in the server that it's running on.

I've got a new Shelly device wired up, I need to finish the wiring to it, so I suppose I could set up the VLAN and connect the Shelly to it, then see if it "just works", but that's probably doomed to failure. At least I wouldn't break anything if it doesn't...

[patent river]

I think Shelly devices use HTTP? In theory should be fine communicating through a firewall, but you wouldn't get auto-discovery

Sorry I can't really help with the docker networking setup

[random ridge]

Hey guys what video doorbell would you recommend?

[sullen shadow]

Hey, I'm looking for a smart plug (Austrian/German/... standard) that:

1. is a zigbee router
2. can measure usage
3. has a physical switch or button to turn on/off
4. no or turnoffable LEDs
5. does not block extra outlets on a strip due to bulk
6. has a HA integration (obviously)

Shelly Plug S is almost there except for the Zigbee. Any alternatives? Thanks.

[brisk spade]

Blitzwolf SHP13 or SHP15 with Z2M checks all the boxes (a bit depending on your outlets though)

[sullen shadow]

Thanks!

[red glen]

Hi, I'm probably the first here from egypt. I will use raspberry pi 4 with SSD and SD card.

I want to buy a cheap but reliable light bulbs. Also a motion sensor, and detection sensor.

[drowsy haven]

how cheap?
and do you just want to turn the lights on and off, or do you want more? like dimming, adjustable color temperature or RGB?

[red glen]

Well for some places just basic things on/ off, but for living room I would certainly love those other options.

I have no actual budget rn, as I don't know the range of prices really.

Also, why can't I get normal bulbs, and connect electricity to the pi? idk if that works

[drowsy haven]

i would say the cheapest way to have lights that you can turn on and off with home assistant would be to buy an ESP-based board/device with relays. that connects to your wifi that you likely already have, so you don't need an interface to control them, like with zigbee

[red glen]

is that what u mean?

[drowsy haven]

because the PI does not supply mains voltage to power the bulbs. you could probably also connect a relay directly to the PI, but that would be extremely limited.
with an ESP- based device like something from sonoff, or shelly, or one of the countless other boards, you can wirelessly switch a circuit and control it with HA for like 5-10 bucks. plus you can flash ESPhome or Tasmote (i.e. open source firmware on them)

bucks being dollars or euros in this case

[red glen]

Is there a video you have, so that I can understand?

[red glen]

is thar device connected to a MC?

lol they are in egypt sonoff

[drowsy haven]

if you want more control, you'd likely be best off with zigbee bulbs imo. the Hue and Tradfri bulbs Cal mentioned in #general-archived would be a good for that use case imo. but you'll also need a zigbee stick/gateway to connect them to Home Assistant on your Pi

[drowsy haven]

MC?

[red glen]

micro controller

[red glen]

I'm lost ):

[drowsy haven]

yes, ESP32/ESP8266 are very common, cheap and versatile microcontrollers in the IOT space

[red glen]

connected to what?

[drowsy haven]

it'd be good to just google some of those terms and familiarize yourself with some of it to be honest.

[drowsy haven]

yeah that works more or less, but you should get a board that has relays so it can switch mains voltage. this devboard by itself can't do that

or like I said, get a ready made device that contains those chips and relays, for instance from sonoff or shelly

[red glen]

exactly this isn't a micro controller... this is just a module or whatever it's called

I've seen a relay lemme show u what I mean

[drowsy haven]

well it is a board that contains a microcontroller, among other things. or rather a small SoC, however you wanna call it.

[red glen]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rqN0LbyBh7o?si=FxIveEi4ZbMy6Z55

This what I wanna shjow u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrG_InKQB6g&ab_channel=KinConyIoT

This

This someone built it?

[red glen]

I need to connect it to arduino? no?

[drowsy haven]

well someone built everything. but as it says in the comments, this uses an KC868-H32BS relay controller that costs a couple hundred dollars.
I don't know about the firmware situation, but apparently somebody was able to connect them to HA, there's a thread about it in the forums as well. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/32-channel-ethernet-relay-module-kincony-kc868-h32/155647/289

honestly I found this out just by reading the youtube comments and then entering that device name into google search

[red glen]

This is becoming more complicated

[drowsy haven]

also note how this switches 32 channels or so in the circuit breaker panel, which may not be ideal if you just want to control one or more lights that may share a fuse with other stuff. depends on your wiring though

If I were you, I'd start small and then learn along the way

[red glen]

I think I don’t want relays LOL

Coz it looks like pain

I’m also 19😂

[drowsy haven]

well if you get something like a sonoff basic (~5$) or a shelly 1 (~10$). you can switch a single circuit or line that the lights are attached to and control it from HA for real cheap. the shellys in particular are small enough such that you can mount them behind a light switch if you want

[drowsy haven]

I guarantee you there's people here that are younger than you

if you are inexperienced with electricity at mains voltage, I would recommend you don't mess with that kind of thing unless you know what you're doing, because that is dangerous

something that uses Zigbee (like a tradfri bulb) does not require you to mess with the wiring at all, but you need a Zigbee USB stick or some other controller (i.e. a 'coordinator' in Zigbee terms) to connect them to Home Assistant. you can find a list of some that are known to work here: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/coordinators.html

[red glen]

But expensive when getting bulbs etc

[drowsy haven]

yes. more comfort/less hassle and more feature = more expensive, generally speaking

[ionic harness]

hello guys! I have aquestion. I am thinking about buying aqara equipement, because its a cheap solution. Does anybody know, if I need an Aqara hub, if I already have ha?

[drowsy haven]

you don't, but you need a zigbee coordinator if you don't have one already

[terse pebble]

If you have a Zigbee coordinator stick (and aren't talking about Aqara's Thread devices) - no

[ionic harness]

thanks

[red glen]

I need someone who did use relays because I don’t understand anything

[karmic cargo]

Yes, they are HTTP.
I think I'll give it a try with a new device and see what happens.

[drowsy haven]

you do understand what a relay is, generally, right?
just to clarify: a relay allows you to open and close and arbitrary circuit (for instance one with mains voltage for lamps) with a much smaller voltage, like what is available from the GPIO pins of a raspberry Pi or a microcontroller

[red glen]

Yes the relays I dont understand them

[drowsy haven]

i.e. you could make a circuit that switches an LED to test it, then just attach a relay instead of the LED to it in order to switch on or off the mains voltage

[red glen]

ah

[drowsy haven]

it is basically a switch you can control with a low voltage

[red glen]

so it's like a switch but I control it basically through HA

[drowsy haven]

no. you control the microcontroller/SoC through HA. that may or may not have a relay attached to it's I/O Pins

[red glen]

obv relays are connected to actual devices such as bulbs.

[red glen]

how so?

THought the I/O pins are connected to relay

[drowsy haven]

in the case of ready made devices (like Shelly, Sonoff etc) they do have relays already on the board, attached to the output pins, ready to go

yes

[red glen]

and the input is basiocally HA? through sensors etc

or do I actually connected them to the microcontroller

[drowsy haven]

well the microcontroller/SoC has software that is connected to HA (for instance via MQTT or some other integration) via Wifi or some other means

[red glen]

F.

im so lost tbh....

I need both relay module and esp

[drowsy haven]

if I were you, I would do a lot more reading tbh. or perhaps watching some youtube videos. it really isn't all that complicated, even if it may sound like that because you're unfamiliar with some of the concepts.
but you kinda need to know what you want to achieve as a first step and the basics of how those things fit together

you need an ESP board that has a relay on it. such devices exist and are available for cheap. they allow you to control the relay on the board over wifi with home assistant

[red glen]

this?

I would require a MCU

[drowsy haven]

no. this contains an MCU/SoC. the ESP8266 is a microcontroller that has wifi, among other things

[drowsy haven]

but yes, this would likely work

[red glen]

alone without an MCU?

Might get it and just try everything

then once I get familiar I move up

[drowsy haven]

you can programm the ESP8266 like an arduino

[red glen]

but when using raspberry pi u arent really coding?

[drowsy haven]

in fact there is already ready made firmware for it, like Tasmota, or the ESPHome firmware files generated by the ESPHome addon/integration in Home Assistant

[red glen]

ah so I just connect to wifi and then boom check HA websitge

website

[drowsy haven]

I don't understand the question

[drowsy haven]

well on this device, you would have to put firmware on it first, like i said, but yes - after that it will be recognized on the HA web frontend

[red glen]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/4-channel-relay-esp8266-wifi-board-working-with-esphome/120594

ah I see a forum here

nice.

[drowsy haven]

yup. notice though that you need a flash programmer or serial adapter to get the firmware onto the device, as it says in the forum post

[red glen]

whats that

[drowsy haven]

if you get a device that already has some firmware on it, you can tinker with it a bit in HA before flashing your own firmware, if you like

[drowsy haven]

a board with an ESP8266 chip on the other side. the poster took it off the relay module in order to flash firmware on it with the device that is pictured to the left of it

[red glen]

ios that like uploading code to the MCU

[drowsy haven]

oh sorry, i looked at the wrong thing, that is the programming interface

yes

[drowsy haven]

yes, exactly like that

[red glen]

what program do I use for that? Also, they said about the flashing application but not the compiling app.

[red glen]

is that there or I need to modify something.

I will buy it tomorrow.

[drowsy haven]

you need that in addition to that board. this particular things seems a bit inconvenient to flash to me, but I don't know for sure

[drowsy haven]

I would recommend that you flash some ready made firmware on the device. like Tasmota or ESPHome. that way, you don't have to compile or code it yourself

[red glen]

ah so that I just download then flash, perfect

[drowsy haven]

yes

[red glen]

nice.

[drowsy haven]

you can also check this: https://templates.blakadder.com/preflashed-type.html
it is a list of devices that are preflashed with Tasmota - a versatile open source custom firmware that you can replace with whatever other firmware you like down the line, such as ESPHome. If they are available for a reasonable price in your region

if you get any of those, you don't have to flash anything. you more or less just connect the device to your wifi and HA will recognize it

[red glen]

aren't it for free xd

[drowsy haven]

sure, the firmware is free

[red glen]

ah I understand

[drowsy haven]

but i don't know if you have a serial adapter or other device to flash the firmware to the device, or how experienced you are with that

hence the suggestion

[red glen]

I have a f/lash device iirc

it gets connected to the MCU then connected to the pc

I flashed atmega32 before thats pretty much it xdf

xd

[drowsy haven]

yeah, there's different ones, but you can try. most of the time a serial adapter with the correct voltage and some cables is enough

even if that doesn't work, such adapters are available for cheap as well

[red glen]

I can check it in university lol

[drowsy haven]

and with that setup, you can get started experimenting with home assistant and wirelesslessly switching things on and off for like 10 dollars total or so

[red glen]

yeah will get some light bulbs and try them

wonder if that can be automated as well.

[drowsy haven]

how do you mean?

[red glen]

using HA

[drowsy haven]

most anything can be automated, since HA is a home automation system 😉

[red glen]

🙊

where to connect both ends?

here?

[drowsy haven]

yes. i mean there's 8 pins and 8 holes, looks pretty tempting to me 😉

[red glen]

Fair enough lmao

[drifting grove]

Hey all. Just looking for options on cheap (cost) hardware light bulbs and switches that I can connect directly to my zigbee and bypass 3rd party apps. I have a variety of devices, but I’m looking for options on what’s lasting the longest for you and the most inexpensive. Thanks!

[red glen]

@drowsy haven 1 more question to finish that. Lets say I have a led connected to relay using that esp. will it detect that there is a device connected the this relay or what exactly? It meaning HA

[jagged crypt]

HUE lights in discount bins for me. I use a hue hub, but they work directly with a zigbee stick in HA.

[drowsy haven]

generally not, at least not with very simple hardware like that. as far as HA is concerned, it is switching a GPIO pin on the ESP on and off. whether there's a small LED, a relay switching mains voltage for a lamp or nothing attached to that, HA doesn't know.
that said, there are also ESP32/ESP8266 boards and products available that also measure voltage/current/power going through the relay. firmware like tasmota and ESPHome supports reporting that back to HA as sensor data. so in that case, you could infer that something is attached and how much power it draws.

If you're looking for actual bidirectional communication with the lamp though, you'd need something like zigbee bulbs again.

[red glen]

Nope, i was just concerned abt the connection ifc abt bidirectional comm

But if I’m connecting a lamp will that show as a resistance to the wire or what

I want to know how it works

[drifting grove]

@jagged crypt thanks for the suggestion, I’m more looking for some probably from Amazon that I can buy right away and not look or wait for discounts. But if I do see any, I may give them a try.

[drowsy haven]

if you attach a lamp, the resistance of the circuit changes - and thus how much current will go through it, and therefore how much power is drawn.
whether that change is measured is another thing, as I said.
some boards that are slightly more sophisticated than the one you picked will measure the power draw of the circuit attached to the relay, and some will not.
if a board measures that kind of thing, it will (with the right firmware) report the current/power draw back to home assistant

[red glen]

fair enough.

So by trial and error.

obv mine wont draw the power

[drowsy haven]

not really trial and error. if you buy a device that can measure power draw, that is generally an advertised feature, since it requires additional components to measure that, which cost money

[red glen]

I'm getting ESP8266ESP8266

[drowsy haven]

yes, but there's literally thousands of different boards with an ESP8266. some of them have the components necessary to measure power attached to the ESP's I/O pins and some do not

[outer knot]

@red glen I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[red glen]

this is legit same as what I saw in forums.

[zealous dune]

Those boards are bad

[red glen]

bruh.......

I'm getting it to test out

[zealous dune]

Find one without the 8pin ESP01 module

[red glen]

on a very small scale

[zealous dune]

It's your money

[red glen]

why?

[zealous dune]

You'll find out during your small scale testing

[red glen]

I wanna know why bruh so that I get it

[zealous dune]

Nah bruh

[red glen]

thx for the help!

u mean this?

.........

what other modules then ?>??

u give me a word and leave

[jagged crypt]

Looks like Hue White (not ambience, not color, just warm) are $14 for ~75 watt/1100 lumen bulbs, depending on your desires, that's not bad. Better wattage than the 850lumen ones.

Don't know how good the Sengled bulbs are $100/6 pack of color 60watt (800 lumen) bulbs

the diagram on amazon doesn't show them as a router though, just end point

CRI80 isn't that great

[drifting grove]

They are a bit pricey

[jagged crypt]

if $16/bulb for color is pricey, you are out of luck for "good" bulbs

[drifting grove]

I fitted my home with Sengled and I’m regretting it

[jagged crypt]

then buy the hue lights

[drifting grove]

So with hue, it goes into pairing mode and my zigbee detects it and I’m all set? No 3rd party app or hub?

[jagged crypt]

they should come in pairing mode, so yes. I've paired a hue bulb I deleted from my hue hub, to my sonoff-e stick on HA. Deleting from hue hub puts them in pairing mode.

if you are buying used/refurbs, you may want to pick up a hub or a dimmer switch to reset the bulbs

[drifting grove]

Oh so I may need a hub to start off

[jagged crypt]

you may be able to find a hub for cheap on ebay

[drifting grove]

Best thing about Amazon, is if I buy it and it won’t work, I can send it back

[jagged crypt]

you can see if any of the starter packs make sense for you.

[drifting grove]

I’ll look into that, I have pretty much my home covered, by mostly Sengled, but 8 of my bulbs from a few other brands are due for replacement

[jagged crypt]

local hardware store here is selling 2 60watt white bulbs + hub for $20 (they don't ship), on liquidation. I would check any local hw stores just to see if anything is on discount.

(northern california)

[drifting grove]

Good thing about hue, is it’s in local stores.

Southern Quebec,

Different state/province and country lol

[jagged crypt]

yah, i used to live in southern NH 🙂

(still wrong country, but much closer)

same power standards though

[drifting grove]

I’ve been to Salisbury beach there

Spelling?

Nice place.

I’m assuming it’s this one (Philips Hue White 10.5W Equivalent 75W A19 Base E26 LED Smart Bulb, Dimmable, Bluetooth & Zigbee Compatible, Voice Activated with Alexa & Google Assistant) your referring to

[jagged crypt]

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-Bluetooth-Compatible-Assistant/dp/B095KTKDSY

[drifting grove]

Yeah same one, different packaging. It’s $21.99 each. Canada prices are a bit more

[jagged crypt]

amazon display post tax in canada? (usa is pre-tax advertising)

[drifting grove]

Nope, that’s pre-tax

[jagged crypt]

yeah so a couple extra USD in CAD

[drifting grove]

It matches the exchange rate

[jagged crypt]

$13.98 USD is USA pricing pre-tax.
These are warm lights ~2700kelvin only, if that's something you want to control.

hue's come in white (2700), white-ambience (2700-4000), and RGBW

[drifting grove]

Ok, I’ll look into those. Controlling them isn’t that important, but may be at a later date, so wouldn’t hurt to get them.

[modern python]

hey guys i have an old mini pc id like to use for home assistant but i just noticed that the internal wifi card doesnt get recognized. can someone help me out since i only have very bad memories when trying to fix linus driver issues. its a realtek rtl8188ee

[drowsy haven]

maybe another driver is claiming the card or it's not actually an rtl8188ee? that one should have a normal driver in the kernel tree. you could check which modules are loaded with lsmod
there's some odd realtek wifi cards that have really terrible driver support or out of tree drivers

[golden thorn]

Also check lspci -k and perhaps lsusb -t. Which OS are you using?

[modern python]

well youre right in that its a really old card 😅

[golden thorn]

On debian you'd install this: https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/firmware-realtek
Just have to have non-free-firmware enabled. Sometimes these work better than the included

[modern python]

soo i have a stupid question. i assumed i access the terminal from...well the terminal but apparently lspci is not a recognized command. what am i missing?

[golden thorn]

That's why I asked for the OS. Do you use HAOS?

[modern python]

yeah the generic image. just installed it too. so im on 10.5

[golden thorn]

Use the advanced SSH addon and disable protection mode. If not, use a keyboard and monitor and enter login into the ha prompt

[modern python]

did that

[golden thorn]

You can't really install drivers though. Gotta ask here for driver support: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system

[golden thorn]

Try apk add pciutils then run it again. Remember that this is not direct SSH access to the host.
You're inside a container. Not everything works as on the host

[modern python]

huh...seems to be...fine?

[golden thorn]

No driver in use for it but that might not mean much

[modern python]

oh yeah just noticed as well

so what now?

[golden thorn]

What were you planning to do with it?

[modern python]

use it? what do you mean?

[golden thorn]

I mean you already have ethernet and WiFi isn't recommended for servers.
Also see here for networking docs/commands: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/network.md

[modern python]

the ethernet is temporary during setup. generally id super agree but unfortunately at its intended site wifi is needed.

[golden thorn]

Well in that case one's got to use what's available. I'd recommend reading the whole docs but this specifically to see if it even works: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/blob/dev/Documentation/network.md#enabling-wi-fi

[modern python]

but to do all that id first have to tell it what driver to use,no?

[terse pebble]

On HAOS you cannot include drivers to the OS

[golden thorn]

I don't know how with HAOS or if you can. The idea is that you don't have to fiddle with the OS itself and can concentfate on HA. "It just works". Well, mostly

[rich venture]

a container or supervised solution is always avalibile

[modern python]

alright then can i resolve this with a 5 dollar pci minicard that is supported?

[golden thorn]

Perhaps. Did your current one show up in ha network info?

[rich venture]

do you maybe have coax avalibile at install location?

[modern python]

the realtek? no

[modern python]

sorry no deal

[golden thorn]

Might be worth a try to ask on github

[rich venture]

well, if MoCa isnt a option you could always do powerline

[modern python]

but i did just check the lspci on a second mini pc i just installed at my uncles house and that runs an intel centrino advanced-n 6205 perfectly and i think i saw those in pci mini card form online

[modern python]

listen i get it wifi sucks and im really thankful for all the help and suggestions but its not happening in this case. powerline adapters add cost. a 20m ethernet across rooms or a labor intensive inwall install of cables is also not happening. i ran a pi 3 b+ there and im changing it because i had a lot of issues but none them were wifi related

[rich venture]

you could install home assistant in docker and use the stock wifi at no cost altho you will lose addonn support

[glossy prism]

The good news is that add-ons are just pieces of software you can otherwise install manually

[gloomy spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-gif-20210278

[modern python]

right... so thank you everyone for helping me figure this out but i just went the easy route and spent 6 bucks for a wifi module that will work out of the box. so i can keep the setup as close to the original as possible

[golden thorn]

Feel free to let me know how it worked out

[visual lintel]

I am looking for a wall switch with Zigbee (supported by Zigbee2MQTT), which only sends a signal when touched and does not in it self block/toggle the light.

I got smart LEDs in my lamps with WLED, which work fine with both HA and Alexa at the same time. However, when I turn them off with the old wall switch, I cant toggle them back on with Alexa/HA.

I still wanna be able to have some kind of "manual" control (i. e. with a physical switch, rather than voice command or HA app)

So my idea was a switch/button on the wall which simply sends a signal via Zigbee2MQTT.
Basically these:
https://amzn.eu/d/hPy0FDR
but wall mounted

[zealous dune]

that's called a wireless switch or wireless remote

like this https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Aqara_WXKG16LM.html

[visual lintel]

thanks 🙂
as so often in life - you just need to know what to search for ❤️

[inland condor]

Hi Everybody,
I am looking for a theromstatic valve where the inhabitant of the appartment can NOT set the temperature higher than what I set as the upper limmit. Lower is ok:=) I would appreciate your suggestions!
Thanks!

[minor quiver]

Since we're talking switches... Any recommendation for a smart in-wall switch that is 2 UK gang wide, and handles four different lighting zones? (i.e. 4 switches)

Or even better, a touch panel

[zealous dune]

I don't do UK

[faint raven]

Does anyone know what PWM frequency the various Nanoleaf devices use, especially the bulb-format ones?

I had some Hue bulbs, but I had to stop using them, because their 1khz PWM flicker made me feel sick whenever they were on.

[upper yoke]

what are my options for speakers? other than the google home speakers/home mini speakers.

[final gyro]

So the Hue bulbs historically have a configurable "restore last state on power cycle" option that you can set such that the bulb will instead default to on after a power cycle, but I've noticed my beloved Aliexpress zigbee bulbs tend not to have this functionality.

I love having the ability for people to "fall back" to using the original wall switches to control the lights if something is wrong with home assistant or the wireless zigbee switches I have.

Does anyone know of cheaper zigbee bulbs that have this functionality too? Maybe the Ikea bulbs?

[pallid brook]

Any advice for a garage door opener? Was using myQ but it’s all sorts of broken now

Would love a local option

[summer shell]

Build your own with ESPHome just need a board, a relay, and a reed switch.

But I guess it depends on on your garage door too.

[pallid brook]

I’ll take a look at that. I have a chamberlain lift master

[summer shell]

That doesn’t mean anything. Just need to make sure your door opener isn’t more modern and rolls its codes. Those require a lot more work.

There are hacks around that as well as hard wiring into the button itself since it has the code logic and you “simulate” a pressing but if your button is really dumb good chance your system is older and works by just becoming another button.

[pallid brook]

41A5389-10 is the model. I’ll take a look. I’ve setup homelink with it before but I know that doesn’t tell us much

The opener I’d guess isn’t that smart as the house we’re in was built in 2004 and it hasn’t been updated

[summer shell]

It may work…. It says security+ on the logic board but not sure. Just get a simple esp32 with a 3.3v relay, doesn’t need to be much draw and test it by adding two wires to the same spot on the door opener as the current opener and tell ESPHome to close the relay. Just wire the relay in NO or normally open mode. If the door opens your good and go invest in time for running the reed switch and wire it into the board and configure it all up.

Mine is also security+ and works.

https://veterangaragedoor.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-in-the-color-of-the-learn-buttons-on-liftmaster-chamberlain-and-craftsman-garage-door-openers/

Good reference

[fringe crater]

I assume you don't need the esp and relay just to test it, isn't that essentially the same thing as just shorting the ports together? you can just test it with a short wire.

[pallid brook]

What's the reed switch for?

[summer shell]

True…

Reed switch can be your check if door is open or closed.

[pallid brook]

got it

[summer shell]

I have a magnetic reed switch on my door and the sensor screwed into the concrete

And then with ESPHome logic you can send a cover entity to ha and determine if open or closed based on reed.

[pallid brook]

okay that makes sense

ill look into this all more. wonder if you could use a shelly for the powering

[summer shell]

Some people do it with shelly relays and tilt sensors but I liked the hard wired approach for the reed

[pallid brook]

this looks like a good combo approach, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMepwpyjMCY

i assume requires a dumb opener

[summer shell]

Yea. Same thing the esp does. There are so many ways to do it.

[nimble token]

Does anyone know how to activate the scenes you can build for Nanoleaf Essentials Bulbs in the nanoleaf app from HA? I can call a scene with the turn_on service for Nanoleaf Shapes using the effect data. The same format does not call a scene for the essentials, however.

[pallid brook]

Got it so just a matter of wiring a “button” to the opener

[summer shell]

Yup.

Just test your door opener like @fringe crater recommended.

Just get some ether wire and strip two ends and insert it into the same spot your wired door opener goes to on your door and touch the two wires together. If the door opens a simple relay will work if not it’s a rolling code situation and requires more.

Or like 22 gauge wire.

You can get door bell wire or stuff from hardware stores cheap. Just make sure it’s solid strand.

[pallid brook]

I have some solid strand 14/16 gauge i've used for lightswitches. that should be fine right?

[gloomy spoke]

you can, it's just overkill

[pallid brook]

ya figured as much, just what I have in the toolbox 😄

[gloomy spoke]

Will be harder to solder to small pads and make a sturdy connection

[patent river]

I tend to use Cat6 cable 🙂

[gloomy spoke]

You could support several garage doors with that 🙂

[patent river]

I actually used all 8 wires in the end. Opener has a 6 pin spring terminal block, which provides permanent +24VDC, switched +24VDC (which serves as a "door moving" signal), an "auxillary" which is a generic trigger you can assign to the 2nd button on the remote, GND (used for all 3 of those), and then the dry contact.
So the "door moving" trigger now turns the garage lights on for 1 minute (great for coming home after dark), and I have an extra arbitrary button to do things with.

[harsh fable]

CM4 still hard to find! Can someone explain why nothing else but CM4 would work with Yellow?

[mossy gazelle]

Is ecobee the go-to smart thermostat? Would you guys suggest that or something just like a zigbee/zwave thermostat?
What about whole home energy monitors, I had my eyes on emporia vue since its a whole home monitor that can monitor each breaker as well which seems like it could really help.

[terse pebble]

Because the Yellow and its software have been designed for the CM4. Other SBC producers are not 100% identical to the CM4, so they don't work.

[patent river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlcNVKK-7Q

[true bear]

hello, seeing that the echo dot is on sale, I was wondering if there is a way to set it up to work only locally with home assistant without an internet connection, sort of like the tasmota firmware for bulbs and plugs. does anyone know ?

[faint raven]

Note that if you turn it off and on twice, it'll go to high brightness (I forgot whether it was 100% or something more like 60%). It's a safety feature... in case an emergency happens, you can trigger high brightness.

The Hue bulbs would be perfect if only they had a higher PWM frequency!

[zealous dune]

No

[true bear]

:(, such a shame, I wanted to try the voice control things in HA and this looked like a device that had everything it needs to do it

[signal mica]

is there a alternative firmware for CB2S, that i found in a dual power meter ?

[zealous dune]

Yes, esphome

[signal mica]

uuu nice, i did not find that reference yet, but now i have purpose, thank you @zealous dune

[zealous dune]

its been added in the latest release

[signal mica]

i saw there are MQTT issues, guess i'll wait

[zealous dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[summer shell]

This won't work, those terminal blocks are very small and the gauge of 14/16 may be too large. Most garage door wiring for the door opener and/or door sensors are ususally 22-26 solid strand in my experience.

[tacit pilot]

Looking for light recommendations. I have some WiZ wifi bulbs now that have been alright, but I moved and need a few more and wanted to try something new. Open to any tech other than z-wave and I'm in NA

[pallid brook]

Okay. I have some breadboard wires I could use. Would that be too small?

[summer shell]

I protoyped mine with cat6 ethernet spares I had so that should be good for the simple "close circuit" test to determine if it will work with your door before you invest more money.

I can also share my yaml for my esphome device if you want.

[red glen]

which is bettwe esp32 or esp 8266

[summer shell]

esp32

[red glen]

thjanks.

[harsh fable]

So the answer is No. I wonder if there’s anything in pipeline to replace CM4 and update the software. Is this even a possible scenario? @terse pebble

[terse pebble]

Unlikely. The next replacement might be the CM5. But that hasn't even been announced yet (and might not be for quite some time) and compatibility with CM4 is unknown.

[patent river]

The real thing holding it back IMHO - as noted in the video to some extent, and in the comments - is the whole bootloader situation. "Big" ARM systems (workstation/server) have just gone the full UEFI route, which significantly lowers the barrier to entry. "Small" ARM systems are just a mess of hard-coded proprietary grossness. For machines in those sort of form factors you'd still need some sort of standardisation of what pins do what, but the ability to just boot any generic ARM Linux distro on any piece of hardware is a major problem.

[jagged crypt]

not entirely hardware, but I'll ask. Devices added automatically from hue integration get generic entity names, but custom device name. I rename the device, i get the "entities will be renamed, are you sure", I answer yes. And the entities aren't changed. Is this potentially something with the integration, vs a user-error (mine)? (Trying to clean up things like "light.hue_bulb_17")

[cold moon]

something is broken.. for me they always change after choosing yes to that

[jagged crypt]

yea, ok, my workaround has been remove integration, and re-add, and it seems to do the correct thing.

thanks

[cold moon]

just dont manually change an entity under a device then try that

cuz the popup just wont pop up

[jagged crypt]

also, btw, when were talking about hue motion sensors, I didn't realize there are two generations, my 10 second cool down is on first gen. Haven't had a chance to validate cool down on the 2nd gen ones.

yeah, I may have made the entity rename mistake early in my HA playing, but i leave those alone.

[cold moon]

i dont think the generation of them matters

iirc it's some tiny change

[ancient belfry]

Is anyone aware of a wall outlet (in wall) with consumption monitor?

[pallid brook]

sure thatd be great!

[zealous dune]

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/LELLKI_WK34.html

[summer shell]

When you think yours will work sure.

[runic tinsel]

Or these https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Schneider_Electric_WDE002172.html

[drifting grove]

I just ordered a Shelly 2PM and are planning to use it with an Orcon MVS15 with Perilex plug.

To be safe all I want to know is if my connection schematic is the right one.

Wish I could use an RFXcom 868Mhz USB dongle but HA, Orcon and RFXcom is not working together yet.

[dry heron]

I also have a Chamber lift master. I have used the Zooz Universal Relay ZEN17 Ver 1.0. I had in my automation parts boxes from another project. Working through the ZEN17 programming is a little strange. The connection with the ZEN17 to the opener is via https://www.garadget.com/product/security-2-0-dry-contact-adapter/. Been real happy with it while avoiding the myq drama. Although I did like the Myq integration while it was working.

[stable epoch]

Hi All , I have problem i have more or less 40 tuya devices that are connected to one router "TP-Link Archer C1200 (1200Mb/s a/b/g/n/ac) USB DualBand" . Some of the devices from time to time dosent respond for automation. Other problem is, that i have issue with internet speed 10% of badwith that i have .

What can be wrong is that true that the problem is related with efficiency of router (low speed of processor ) ?

[outer knot]

@stable epoch Please do not cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond. Crossposting wastes people's time as they're unaware of the help you're getting elsewhere.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

[lament cipher]

Hi I like to migrate my home assistant setup to a intel nuc I got for cheap. But I fail to get the wifi working. I booted Ubuntu from an USB stick and then wrote the image onto the SSD. Wifi was also not working on Ubuntu out of the box. I would probably be able to get it to work somehow on Ubuntu but how would I be able to approach this on home assistant ?

[rich venture]

Maybe someone removed the wifi card or its disabled in bios

[lament cipher]

no it was working as it initially had windows installed

[terse pebble]

Some WiFi cards are not supported by Linux natively. Those require proprietary drivers.

[lament cipher]

I probably would find a way to do this on a ubuntu, but how would I do this on hassio? How can I get to a shell to install packages ?

[outer knot]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS.

[terse pebble]

You cannot add drivers to HAOS yourself AFAIK

[pine oasis]

Is Home Assistant OS now fully supporting Odroid H3?

[golden thorn]

At least it's not mentioned here or in code afaict: https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/tree/dev/Documentation/boards

[mighty herald]

Saw Amazon fire hd for 90€. Is it good tablet to use as a wall mount device for ha?

[glacial oracle]

Would depend on the size, but generally other eastern stores have cheaper Android Tablets available

[pine oasis]

then it is not supported. sadly. So I have to find again a different solution

[fallen narwhal]

What's the experience with HAS on SSD Kingston A400 with pi4, is it stable enough with original power supply?

[ruby socket]

Any recommended speaker/mic combos that work well with HA for local fulfillment?

I’m looking for something that’s already integrated into a single ready-to-go package, like a Google Home speaker except compatible with local fulfillment

[reef hornet]

Particulate Matter (PM) Sensors and espairqual

[lone furnace]

Is there a generic hardware guide for things that will work without needing cloud services or an internet connection?

I'd like to find some smart power strips, but I dont want to have my house break when there's an outage.

[jagged crypt]

look for zigbee/zwave gear

[lone furnace]

Ah, I'm still learning as I go. I have a bunch of iot stuff but its all a mixed mess.

I suppose I'll need to buy a zigbee or zwave stick thingy. I have an Abode gate way that does both but it has compatibility issues.

[jagged crypt]

also "requires" cloud vs "prefers" cloud become something you need to figure out also. IE, just because a device is WIFI doesn't mean it's automatically "cloud".

[winged knoll]

All of HA's integrations tell you if they're local or cloud

[lone furnace]

Any recommendations for a security system that doesnt need cloud access?

[winged knoll]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations#alarm has a few, but depends on whether you want commercial or not

[lone furnace]

Looks like Abode, SimpliSafe, Ring, and Nest all depend on the cloud. 😒

I guess I'll test my abode system when I get home. I can try unplugging my modem and see how it behaves with no internet access.

[glossy prism]

If you have one of the abode gateways that supports homekit, you can connect it locally to HA via homekit controller

[devout parrot]

Best option is to ditch the WiFi and use Ethernet

[lone furnace]

Oh!

I do, I completely forgot about it's home kit support since I don't use anything apple.

I think I ignored the home kit integration, I'll need to figure out how to view hidden

Are there any downsides to going the home kit integration route if I don't have any Apple products?

[ionic harness]

hello guys! I am trying to install esp home on my raspberry pi pico w. The installation is working (I think), but If try to connect the raspberry pi using the web interface, it doesnt work... I have tried reinstalling everything multiple times... Thanks & help is appreciated!

[outer knot]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

[winged knoll]

Try their Discord ☝️

[ionic harness]

thank you!

[sand oxide]

Alright, I feel like I'm not getting anywhere with my research on Zigbee door locks. First off, options are limited? Second, why has every one moved to zwave plus? Third, does anyone have a good recommendation for a zigbee lock? I assume I don't want to go with wifi in this scenario purely from a battery efficiency point of view.

[gloomy spoke]

I'm happy with my Zigbee Kwikset locks. As always, where you live matters

[sand oxide]

I'm in the US. Are you referring to the Kwikset 916 Deadbolt?

Also, I'm using SkyConnect. I know there were issues initially with Matter/Thread. Has that been resolved? Would matter enabled locks also be an option for me?

[karmic cargo]

My wife has a tendency of leaving her curling iron on, so I came up with a great idea to fix the problem using a Shelly 1 PM. My plan was to use the PM part to note when power starts flowing, then start a timer and turn it off once the timer expiers.
However, now that I have it in hand, I'm not sure this is the right solution. It seems that the PM is designed to work with an existing switch in a 3-way (US, 2-way elsewhere) setup where it can be turned on/off from either the physical switch or digitally.
Is there a way to wire the PM directly to an outlet to cut power to the outlet when the timer expires or do I need a different tool for this?
The curling iron doesn't have its own switch, so she uses a little plug in switched receptacle adapter, so a smart plug with a switch might actually be better.
Thoughts, suggestions, etc greatly appreciated.

[fringe crater]

You can wire it to an outlet. I don't know if it's generally recommended due to you don't control what kind of loads get plugged into an outlet, and some kinds of inductive loads may be hard on electrical relays.

[sand oxide]

Your closing thought is what I would do (the smart switch). Easier all around if it works.

[karmic cargo]

Suggestions on a smart plug with a built in switch? I'd rather not have that if possible, I like that it's more clean with everything hidden the box, but the more I think about it, the more it seems that's the better way to go.

(BTW- US standard 120V NEMA 5-15)

[winged knoll]

Innr do a Zigbee one or normal US sockets

[sand oxide]

Clean, yes... but what about mobility? You can move a smart switch around and keep the automations with ease. Also, it's apparent to the user of the curling iron where the device ought to be plugged in. I see your point though.

[spice rampart]

does anyone have experience using this nuc as a server, running proxmox with HA and maybe some other smaller containers? i'm want to get started setting up my first home server
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/89186/intel-nuc-kit-nuc6i3syk.html

i found an offer for this nuc with 16gb ram and a 256 M2-SSD for 72€, i am in germany

[zealous dune]

What kind of experience do you require? It can do the things you listed

[devout parrot]

Sonoff S31 flashed with esphome

[jagged crypt]

a number of us are running proxmox+ha in SFF machines, it works.

running a i5-6500t lenovo tiny thinkcenter m900 with 256 nvme ssd. But other vendors readily available easily - https://www.servethehome.com/introducing-project-tinyminimicro-home-lab-revolution/

15watt idle power usage

[tawny viper]

Why not just have it yell at her if it's plugged into the outlet with a certain power level

[karmic cargo]

Well, @tawny viper, that's kinda the idea... I'll have it send a notification to her phone every 5 minutes then shut off after 15, but she doesn't check her phone often enough to notice the 3 notifications... 😦

And I don't have any sort of smart speaker because I really don't want google, apple or amazon listening to everything said in my house.

[karmic cargo]

Good call. Only 10A/1200W - don't know if that'll be enough for the curling iron or not... May give it a try, though.

[karmic cargo]

Interesting... Cheaper than the Innr, but not sure I want to mess with flashing firmware right now. Has flashbacks to the old days of BIOS upgrades where bricking was a significant possibility.

[karmic cargo]

Fair point, but so far, I've had no desire for portability for any of the devices I'm using. I suppose that could change in the future, but not a priority ATM.
I appreciate the thought - not something that I'd taken into consideration before.

[karmic cargo]

What's the difference between the S31 and the S31 Lite zb? Do you happen to know?

[devout parrot]

The S31 is WiFi, the lite ZB is a Zigbee version of the plug and doesn't support power monitoring.

[devout parrot]

I said that once but it's super easy and totally worth it as far as features go.

[karmic cargo]

What does flashing buy me that isn't in the standard Sonoff firmware?

[devout parrot]

Fully local control, as in completely cloud free, via open source firmware mostly.

[royal girder]

Elk? you would need to get involved in the setup

[lone furnace]

Yeah, doesnt look particularly fun.

I ordered a 2nd gen Aeotec home Energy Meter for $25 any recommendations on a z wave stick that will work with it?

something tells me that my abode gateway despite being zwave and zigbee is going to give me a hard time

This one seems to have decent reviews on amazon 🤔
https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Stick-Assistant-HomeSeer-Software/dp/B07GNZ56BK

[tawny viper]

There is the cloudfree.shop

That sells them flashed. Donates some money back to open source projects

https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-s31-flashed-with-tasmota/

I have 4 very similar wifi plugs. I had them lying around from years prior to home assistant. Was able to put tasmota on them (gosund, not sonoff). If I didn't have the gosund already I would have bought those prefllashed too

[somber tartan]

Hi,
I have a few LED lamps that are powered by this power supply: https://www.meanwell-web.com/content/files/pdfs/productPdfs/MW/PCD-25/PCD-25-spec.pdf
I'd like to connect a connected dimmable module to these lamps and control it with home assistant.
Do you guys know anything that would do that ? Thanks !

[red dagger]

Hello! A newbie here...

I'm seeking support to control dumb switches in a way that also send state to HA if the switches are toggled manually

Can someone please point me to instructions / article that'll help me to wire it in such fashion?

I have really loved the design of Sebastian (SS4H) & his Hub 2.0.... But I'm clueless as to how the RJ-45 communication is handled at the "dumb switch board" level

Below is his synopsis / article published... But it doesn't answer all my questions
https://smartsolutions4home.com/ss4h-shh-smart-home-hub/

[wild atlas]

I'm going to guess that all the lights are wired into the central control unit directly and the only thing the rj45 going out does is get connected to the switches so he can detect binary on off status of the switch

[red dagger]

Thanks for your response.. This was one of my theories as well.! But unsure on part B... How does the binary thing work? Coz he is able to control the lights independently from the switch alone...

Wanted to design a prototype once I have clarity on this

[wild atlas]

The relays controlling the lights are all in the central hub, so they can be turned on and off separate from the light switches

The light switches are all binary inputs into the esp controlling the bank of lights, and the relays are the binary outputs

Imo it would be pretty hard to install a system like that without building it into the structure from day 1

And including it in all the plans and schematics too

[red dagger]

My house is under renovation so I'm thinking of provisioning it... But seeking clarity prior to making hardware arrangements

I can manage the binary outputs... I need more understanding on the binary inputs & how it's getting passed onto HA via esp32

[timid nymph]

anyone have these? https://www.bosch-smarthome.com/uk/en/products/devices/radiator-thermostat/
do they have away/eco or whatever it is called by bosch mode working in z2mqtt? bosch docs say they have, z2mqtt docs does not or I can't read.

[mossy gazelle]

can i power a shelly Plus 1PM with a 12V adapter?

[glacial oracle]

well the spec list it as 24-30dc

so likely it wont work with 12

[stable cloud]

are there any mmwave & Pir sensors on the market, who can decide "where" you are " just like the FP2 from aquara, but not with more ppl ? cause the aquara FP2 are just....uargh....i have sometmes 3 "guests" here..... but i need something, like if im 3m away = trigger light a, if im 1m away trigger light b. Anyone know what i wanna say ? 😄

[zealous dune]

so... distance?

[stable cloud]

i have this Athom ES01 ? or what its called, but theres no "distance" indicator..... or is that FP2 exclusive (and no, i dont have any ideas how to solder and programming stuff 😄

yes

[zealous dune]

https://blakadder.com/zy-m100/

or LD2410/LD2420 for diy

[stable cloud]

https://de.athom.tech/blank-1/human-presence-sensor i have 2 of these.... its nothing else as an esp i think

but they have noting as sensor for distance

[zealous dune]

there is

[stable cloud]

there is ?

i dont see anything on the esp (internal webadress) nor in HA... i mean like sensors for: 1m away .... 3m away.... something like that, the FP2 have, where u can track on ur phone2 where u are... but the ghosting is awful.... have testet the FP2 in my hallway.... dont work...... the athom.... first class product 😄

[zealous dune]

athom sensor doesn't have distance measurement, otherwise it would already be in home assistant

distance measurement and location tracking of FP2 are not the same thing

so you need to be clearer what exactly you want

[red dagger]

Any help on this?

[zealous dune]

not with those vague statements

[jovial pulsar]

Easiest way is to use esphome. Then you can map a pin to a binary sensor or switch for input/output in hass and everything will just work.

[stable cloud]

normally, i dont need 2 persons or whatever its called, i just want maybe a "distance" thingie, cause i have a "big room" seperated in 2 rooms, with one "door" so if i stand up from my couch, going to toilett, the light in the 2nd "room" should light up, so it knews.... when im going into "2nd" room and going on my couch 😄

like (nearer?) (closer) 2m away = 1st room, more then 2m = couch

[zealous dune]

thats what i linked already

[stable cloud]

k, cool...

[red dagger]

Just to clarify, was this a response to my previous message?

[stable cloud]

no, to mine

[zealous dune]

no

although it could apply

[red dagger]

Thanks for replying... But being a newbie... How was the question... Really a noob... Please guide / point towards some resources if possible

[red dagger]

Okay

[red dagger]

Hope you went through my previous texts tagged. I'm new to this, so a li'l help & consideration to take Baby steps is all I ask... Didn't expect to receive that response though... I know you guys are devs n pros in HA but just request a li'l assistance

[stable cloud]

@zealous dune is there a new version out ? sad, temu dont have it, lol 😄

[zealous dune]

why do you want a new version?

[stable cloud]

new name (and theres a bargain on temu, lol 😄 )

i think ill live with that atm.... i have 1 FP2 and 1 Athom spare laying around, not another one, lol, not for 30€

or more.....

on temu with some coupons, i could be triggered....

sad, that such a expensive device, got so often false stats, and not for me, all the internet is full of them, and theres no FW update or anything else the last 3 ? or more month, so its a dead device i think.... ill see an FP3 coming, with all the stuff they fixed, cause aquara = homekit = apple = mooonneeyyyyyy 😄

[warm topaz]

Anyone know if a prebuilt flow sensor for not whole home exists? For instance thinking about a flow sensor for toilet and faucet lines, etc..

[zealous dune]

they do

[warm topaz]

Any links 😄 I did some research and have only seen components or really expensive whole home ones

[zealous dune]

so... you've omitted the fact you're looking for "not expensive" sensors in your initial question

in that case defining expensive would help

[warm topaz]

Well I mean to start Id just like to see some. Expensive is relative. Im going to say sub 100$

[zealous dune]

thats why im asking you to define expensive

cause i can show you a 250$ sensor and youd freak out that its too much money

in your parameters the answer is: no

[warm topaz]

Well I mean if it wipes me it could be worth it 😉

Well what do you have at 250? And its not a whole home?

[zealous dune]

i dont see how that correlates with tracking water flow

whole home sensors can still be used in not whole home