hardware-archived

[glacial oracle]

alexa turn on the microwave

[gloomy juniper]

OK, so let's start one by one, the first is regarding lights. I want to use tracklights at home
What should I check / avoid ordering?

here's what I've found:

LongLight - link
Description:
Light source: OSRAM/Bridgelux led chip
APP: Smart Life, Tuya Smart, Support zigbee2MQTT

linbird - link
Description: Control Method: Tuya App/Voice Control(Alexa、Google Assistant or SmartThings）
Zigbee version lamp:Need to connect with zigbee gateway

RoyalBlue - link
Description: Tuya Bluetooth Dimmable Zigbee.
The seller said it works with zigbee

[winged knoll]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/

Look there, see whether they're supported or not

[gloomy juniper]

I don't think that Ali have any items that listed there 🙂

[winged knoll]

Also, stay the fuck away from Osram

[winged knoll]

Sure they do

But, if the device isn't listed there then Z2M doesn't (currently) have support, so if you buy them you have to provide the support

[gloomy juniper]

all i want is track light 😦

[winged knoll]

All I want is a pony and a plastic rocket...

[gloomy juniper]

what about a plastic pony and a rocket?

[winged knoll]

Well, better than plastic dinosaurs... maybe

[gloomy juniper]

i can make it happen

but we need to make it "smart" in order to continue chatting about it

a zigbee2mqtt compatible plastic pony

[cold moon]

we've already warned you about buying random tuya bullshit off alie

like... yesterday... but here we are

[gloomy juniper]

Any idea where can I buy something like that, is there a reliable source?
Can't find any 😦

[zealous dune]

I'd send you the rocket but Brexit...

Why is having those track lights so important?

[cold moon]

cuz they're fuckin sick brah

[zealous dune]

Then they should buy them and worry later. That's what I do when I see cool stuff

[gloomy juniper]

its like buying a pony and getting a platic one, that will break my spirit

I don't mind buying samples and then publishing here my results for future light-track lovers likemyself (don't be shame comming out and saying they are sick toooo!). but I'll need your support

[cold moon]

tuya is a "brand" that any asshole can go to and say "i have money make me product" and then a new device called "magic track lights tuya" on aliexpress shows up

will it work? maybe. was it manufactured well? maybe. is the firmware bug ridden? maybe. is it a fire hazard? maybe. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

most people choose to just.. not stick their dick in crazy (tuya)

[gloomy juniper]

you're killing my hopes

maybe I can do something different, buying a regular track and making it smart..

[zealous dune]

Buy it, try it, spread the word

It's not that complicated really

[cold moon]

the bird is the word

[zealous dune]

It's called X now

[cold moon]

more like eks dee

[gloomy juniper]

i lost you

[zealous dune]

Gen Z memes

[gloomy juniper]

can you translate to a Millennial like myself?

@cold moon got me worried about the fire hazzard thingy..

[cold moon]

bird is the word -> family guy tv show meme with a big bird.

bird = twitter = rebranded to X cuz elon musk is an absolute idiot

X = XD = eks dee (me memeing about people saying XD as a smiley face)

[gloomy juniper]

Is there anyone that is willing to test out a magnetic track light? I'm new to this $hit and it might be better if someone else will verify if such litghs are compatible

I don't mind buying a sample lamp and shipping it over - DM me

[zealous dune]

I'm going to have nightmares including track lights tonight

[gloomy juniper]

they are so fineeeeeeeee

how dare you

[zealous dune]

I'm tempted to get the myself then don't tell anyone whether they work or not

[gloomy juniper]

black your website should include a tracklight review. it will increase your userbase. trust me on this one 🙂

[wild atlas]

It'll increase by ONE whole user!

[jagged crypt]

I swapped out single device track lighting in my new house to get hue par30 bulbs instead of dumb-par20 bulbs. No clue what "single device" tracks are, but basically the track lighting spin connector, but not on a track, on a square 🙂

[gloomy juniper]

Alright, folks, it's official - we've all secretly fallen in love with magnetic track lights! 🙊💡 Time to embrace our magnetic attraction to better lighting, no more hiding in the shadows. Let's light up our spaces and let our interiors shine as bright as our not-so-secret love for track lights!

[gloomy juniper]

Quality over quantity, my friends!

[patent river]

@gloomy juniper as I said yesterday, you could always take the "buy once, cry once" approach here and buy yourself some Hue track lights.
Looks like a pretty nice selection; I and L-shaped tracks, mix-and-match spots, pendants and strip lights.
Just typical Hue pricing, is all.
https://www.philips-hue.com/en-gb/products/smart-track-lighting

Hopefully eliminates any concerns about it burning your house down 😉

[cold moon]

i didnt know hue sold track lights lol

daaamn those are pricey

[jagged crypt]

i didn't either, i bought par30 hue bulbs instead 🙂

[patent river]

TBH I didn't either, showed up in one of my RSS feeds a few days back (despite them apparently being released a year ago)

[cold moon]

ya that is definitely what i'd buy over tuya @gloomy juniper

i think you've already bought the tube zigbee coordinator to control them

[gloomy juniper]

yes I did

[cold moon]

then you're golden with just those

[gloomy juniper]

I don't think they ship to Israel, I'm trying...

[cold moon]

well he linked to en-gb

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-ae i see this

[patent river]

Hahaha, sorry, I didn't mean to cause a shut up and take my money moment for you

[cold moon]

probably a good thing

[gloomy juniper]

they have a local distributer named topaudio, they actually pretty close to where I live

[cold moon]

cool

[gloomy juniper]

I'll check with them, thanks! they don't have the tracks on their website

[cold moon]

that person might try to get you to buy a hue hub to control them

dont listen to them 😛

altho i would confirm they have z2m support on z2m products page

[gloomy juniper]

I doubt they will even understand what I'm looking for, they might offer a speaker instead

its one of those places that it all depends who answer your call

[cold moon]

lol

[gloomy juniper]

if you get a bad support, just hung up and call again

[cold moon]

https://www.philips.co.il/healthcare/about/distributors i see they have a full list

[gloomy juniper]

they all deal with med-care... The only thing that might resemble what I'm looking for is a colonoscopy device

topaudio is my best chance

that or I'll need to fallback to a smart switch that will turn the track on/off.. but than I'm losing the dimmer and color control of the bulbs 😦

[cold moon]

smart dimmers are fine as long as they can handle the load

and they make bulbs that change color temp based on voltage iirc

but choices are limited and no actual colors that way

[patent river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbvVnOxb1AI Listen to Alec (Technology Connections) rant about those for 22 minutes 😄

[cold moon]

I’m not a fan

I like warm white at all times with different levels of dim

And sometimes purples, pinks, blues, or some multi colored effect from led strips / bulbs

[gloomy juniper]

WDYT of this one, I think of using conventional methods

they have a model that changes its color every time you turn it on (you need to turn on, off, on to change a colort):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005478125257.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.15.2bb43042Sfkwr7&pdp_npi=3%40dis!ILS!₪ 53.45!₪ 38.48!!!!!%40211b88f116946452947505326efd06!12000033244317051!sh!IL!103042701

I wonder if its dimmabel

[patent river]

No main lamp design
Upgrade the sixth generation magnetic suction lamp
^^ quoted for truth

"magnetic suction lamp", new band name, called it

[gloomy juniper]

the suction is a plus. Don't be fooled, it's magnetic & suction-able all together to increase safety

Farewell, everyone! 🙌
Thanks for the unwavering mental support - you guys rock! 🤘 May the mighty Track Light God bless us with endless luminescent wisdom.
Shine on!

[glossy prism]

\o/

[jagged crypt]

re: smart dimmers, shouldn't they be pulsing the voltage, not changing it?

[last creek]

Depends on the dimmers as I understand it

You can get pwm dimmers, leading edge, falling edge etc

[jagged crypt]

led dimmers should be pulsing, incadencents are just going to drop the load by adding resistance

[last creek]

Yeah

[jagged crypt]

anyone on this channel should be working with LED's 🙂

[last creek]

From memory you can run an led off a leading edge or pwm dimmer

But if you run it off a falling edge dimmer you get flickering

[jagged crypt]

I need to rip out the dimmer switches as I have smart bulbs now, so watching them flicker unless I tap the dimmer adjustment every now and then is a bit annoying

[last creek]

What dimmers?

[jagged crypt]

lutron dumb dimmers

i'll either swap out for a physical on/off, or jumper the wire, lucky me, I have no neutrals either

[last creek]

Ah ok, I've run into problems with smart dimmers doing weird things

[last creek]

No neutrals or no earth/ground?

[jagged crypt]

no neutral, have ground

[last creek]

Hmm, that would trip the breaker in my country so idk what you guys are doing over there

[jagged crypt]

the switch is inline with the light bulb

US, house built in the 1980 retrofitted 2 years ago, but doesn't look like they ran extra neutrals, just kept the existing power to the lights switches/lights.

[last creek]

In my country the active and neutral lines carry current and ground is separate and tied to a leak detector

[last creek]

Ah ok, weird

Don't us houses wire neutral and earth together?

Not my area of expertise tho

[jagged crypt]

i have white/black/green wires, the switch is inline with the light, I throw the switch and all power is gone from the light.

[last creek]

Yep

The differences I'm talking about come into effect at the distribution board

[jagged crypt]

https://theiotpad.com/smart-switches-no-neutral-wire/ - https://theiotpad.com/wp-content/uploads/switch-power-no-neutral.png

i was just looking at that image, not the article

[last creek]

Ah yep

In some us houses the ground and neutral are the same, so you use ground as your neutral in this case I think

[jagged crypt]

I know enough about electricity in my house to know some of what i don't know 🙂

[last creek]

In my country ground is separate and if you put current though it your breaker trips and shuts it off

[jagged crypt]

i was happy to swap out exterior lights with hue floodlights, and discover the previous person never wired up the ground, so had to validate that the ground wire was actually still doing it's job

[last creek]

Yeah it should be

You just won't have proper fault detection

You'll get over power protection though (I think at least)

[jagged crypt]

random bare copper wire in junction box not hooked up to anything "should be ground" is the correct "Should be" answer, i spent a few minutes with a voltmeter validating

got to use wago connectors instead of pigtails also

[last creek]

Ooh nice

[jagged crypt]

i need to swap out 6 more exterior floodlights. Got a bunch of hue ones on clearance

[cold moon]

Back at the breaker ground and neutral meet

If there’s a fault to ground then power goes back to the panel on neutral wire

[jagged crypt]

I'm at the new house ownership stage of tracking down all the breakers at the panel/subpanels because previous owner left stuff unlabeled

[last creek]

Yeah that rings a bell

[cold moon]

I only have one panel and very little labeling

I keep telling myself I’ll do it {{ year }} winter

[last creek]

Hehe

[cold moon]

But they also have multiple rooms on one 20amp circuit multiple times

[jagged crypt]

exterior panel, interior panel, two sub panels. bonus of giant solar system involved also, so more than a couple panic button breakers

[cold moon]

It’s bullshit

[last creek]

My main problem is our house is really old and has been retrofitted twice throught the years

[jagged crypt]

thankfully i don't have that issue, I have some wierd, 20amp circuit for a random wall in the kitchen, and then a 15amp circuit for stuff that is in the kitchen AND the living room.

[cold moon]

all on one 20a 110 circuit

[last creek]

And the wiring is extremely sporadic

[jagged crypt]

ahhh, nice, I should built something like that, was trying to figure out the easiest way to make a diagram

[cold moon]

i used sweet home 3d

there are much better setups than what i made

i half assed it in 2 hours guessing on dimensions after a few brewskis

[last creek]

So we have one outlet on one side of the house and the next one in the chain is on the other side of the house

[cold moon]

then decided it was good nuff

[last creek]

And none of it is documented

[cold moon]

https://experiencelovelace.github.io/ha-floorplan/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNxgb0mrSA

that looks a lot nicer

[jagged crypt]

I took the top down picture from the realestate pictures (matterport), and then turned it into shapes in powerpoint

[cold moon]

and reacts to lights being on/off

[last creek]

I've been meaning to try that

[cold moon]

there's prob an even better project out now

i havent kept up

i've been hoping @opal falcon releases some fancy new floorplan into hass proper

[last creek]

Does anyone here have experience using hass with both clipsal cbus and dynalite?

[cold moon]

i've never even seen those 'words'

[last creek]

Yeah I expected that lol

Cbus only really has penetration in Australia and a couple of other countries

It has a different name in the US

Dynalite is a thing in the us

Its Philips' hardwired smart building thing

[glossy prism]

|| hehe penetration ||

|| tengo cinco años ||

[last creek]

Basically cbus has been end of life since 2009

And we have to tear back one of the floors in my house anyway for other reasons so now is the time to switch if we are going to

Dynalite uses RS485 over shielded cat5 cable

https://www.dynalite.com/

Think Philips hue but not wireless

[glossy prism]

That reminds me of a reddit post I saw where someone finished their basement. Instead of adding physical switches, they instead told the electrician they want everything to be hardwired and that they'll use Philips Hue Zigbee lights and battery-powered remotes to control the lights

That's gonna be fun when they sell the house

[last creek]

Ha

Yeah that's why we want to go dynalite if we switch

Not going anywhere

Hass supports it natively though unlike cbus

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/dynalite/

With cbus you have to run a cbus to mqtt bridge and use the hass mqtt integration 💀

i figure there has to be at least one person here who uses or has used dynalite for it to be supported without an integration

[drifting ember]

The Philips Dynalite integration was introduced in Home Assistant 0.106, and it's used by 28 active installations.

that's not really a high usage count

[patent river]

Oh man, I was talking to someone about CBus just a couple of days ago.

Our office has "Casambi" Bluetooth-mesh lights that I was trying to gain control of with https://github.com/lkempf/casambi-bt-hass, was talking to the installer about firmware updating them, got to talking, CBus came up. I helped an old colleague with an install of it years and years ago, was... interesting... to program

[cold moon]

From what I’ve heard that’s 100% against code

Emergency services are supposed to be able to flip a switch if they’re in there

[glossy prism]

I'm sure it is lol

I would assume worldwide

[last creek]

yeah i figured as much lol

from what i gather its mainly used in set-and-forget buildings

[last creek]

ah, what'd you use to program it? PICED or Homegate/wiser?

i'm in the process of replacing both piced and homegate with HASS, i've got state working, just need to make a floor plan

[last creek]

not a lot of people seem to have dynalite and want to do anything more than have their electrician set it up for them and leave it at that

doesn't help that philips doesn't want the end user having access to their configuration tooling etc

with cbus being end of life, all the documentation and software is publically available at least

[patent river]

We didn't, sadly. The app has the (entirely non-discoverable) name of "4Remote BT"

I'm trying to wrestle control of them

Because the app is trash, and HA would at least let me have a nice dashboard that people in the office could use to change the brightness of the light above them, without risking turning every light in the building off because none of the tap/long-press/double-tap actions do anything like what you'd expect them to

[last creek]

ah

when my free time exists again in the coming year i'm looking to write a robust replacement for CGate/cmqttd in rust

hopefully with support for cbus network bridges

once i've got the library written i'll either package it as a standalone HASS integration or as a bridge to MQTT, similar to CMQTTD

assuming i don't make the jump to dynalite before then 😆

then i've also got a bunch of legacy hydronic/hvac heating control panels that i need to lobotomise and hook up to an esp32 for hass integration

which is another whole beast

[patent river]

It's nice that aside from having to obey minimum cycle times, a lot of heating/cooling controllers boil down to not much more than a bunch of relays

[last creek]

yeah, that's the only reason i'm hesitant to get rid of the controllers altogether

[jagged crypt]

before i order some more hue motion sensors (indoor), are any of the mmwave units plug and play at this point? (I don't have a 3d printer or the time to futz with them)

[cold moon]

Other than tuya that I don’t trust I don’t think so

Or aqara fp2 but some features locked to their app

[jagged crypt]

1/2 plug n play ? - https://community.home-assistant.io/t/screek-home-assistant-24ghz-fmcw-wifi-human-presence-detector-radar-1u/560444/4

scrolling, this looks like i'm order the hue sensors for now

[cold moon]

I’d consider that needing to be futzed with

As much as I like hue motion sensors, you might want to try the aqara 3.0 ones

P1 sensor I think

[jagged crypt]

yeah, I got lucky and started with hue sensors and the battery life and they just seem to work for me so far

I'm mentally trying to figure out how i want to deal with split lighting solutions moving forward (zigbee hue + wifi in same room)

[cold moon]

They’re smaller and have a 1 second retrigger time compared to 30 second with hue

Which is nice for stuff like bathrooms, stairs, etc

[jagged crypt]

when i last looked the p1 was ~$100usd

[cold moon]

Definitely not

They should be 15 or so

Maybe 25? I haven’t bought any yet myself

[jagged crypt]

looks like ~25 on amazon us. Maybe I was looking at the fp1? or whatever the mmwave unit was

i can get hue ones for $35

[cold moon]

Yea

I’d at least get one to try they’re getting popular

Unless you need the lux or temp from hue

[jagged crypt]

temp is just for fun, lux is useful for lights not going on if it's not dark, but i guess i could use time/sun-location

[cold moon]

I don’t use lux for anything myself

I change brightness based on time of day

[jagged crypt]

it matter in some rooms with blackout shades for me, but i have 5 hue units already

[cold moon]

Plenty of repeaters?

[jagged crypt]

yeah, a number of bulbs in each room right now

[cold moon]

Cool

[jagged crypt]

but need to verify that (dealing with the wiz recessed lights, where i used to have bulbs everywhere)

previous rental house was two floors, new house is one floor and long

[cold moon]

As a reminder Wi-Fi airtime fairness is a big concern when you start throwing tens of iot devices on a single AP

[jagged crypt]

I've got 3 AP's two are 4x4 mimo (ubiquiti nanonhd units, an a u6lite unit). All the IOT devices get static ip's via DHCP.

all the human run devices (minus phones) are on hardwires

[cold moon]

Static ips doesn’t matter but locking them to APs does

[jagged crypt]

yeah, I'm hoping the static ip's gets me less flakeyness at the app-level

i haven't looked at locking to AP's yet

[cold moon]

It’s per device in the UniFi controller

[jagged crypt]

right now the wiz lights at the literal opposite side of the house are connecting to the AP next to me for some reason.

[cold moon]

I noticed devices were roaming to far away APs and had no reason to ever roam for like.. a smart tv in a room

[cold moon]

Airtime fairness I bet

As you walk around the house with your phone you connect to a closer AP and the iot devices get pushed off

I think it’s probably some bug or shit behavior of the UniFi controller trying to help

Happened to me

[jagged crypt]

that would make sense, other than the local to the light has AP has 5 devices, and it picks the unit with 17 devices on it

[cold moon]

I turned band steering off on all my APs too

[jagged crypt]

checking settings now

[cold moon]

Play with it.. I’m using older in wall APs mostly

I’m not 100% sure it’s not just my shit being old

I assume you ran an environmental scan from each AP and chose the channels accordingly in a honeycomb pattern?

[jagged crypt]

1-6-11 in a line. 🙂

my 2.4 is less than 5% on environment scans from the ap's
where i used to live more in city was like 85% in use

[cold moon]

And picked a zigbee channel correctly as well

[jagged crypt]

right now, hue autopicked achannel

[cold moon]

Oh you’re using their shit bridge..

[jagged crypt]

yeah, it's worked for years without fail for me

[cold moon]

Well then the aqara or other zigbee devices are useless to you

[jagged crypt]

nahh, I have a sonoff-e stick setup and working in parallel 🙂

was using it with sengled power monitoring plugs

it was the "do i migrate everything native HA or not"

[cold moon]

Damn you crazy

All the interference

You made sure to put stuff with wireless radios inside metal boxes too right?

[jagged crypt]

i made sure the sonoff-e and hue were on different channels, i may have paid attention to wireless channels but probably not

nothing that I use that is latency dependent is on wireless 🙂

i'm typing on a desktop that goes all hardline

[cold moon]

That’s what they all say

[jagged crypt]

since I just ran 2x 100' cables a couple days ago .....

as temporary until I can figure out how to deal with my crawlspace to run cables properly under the house into jacks

hmmm - https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/llq91w/u6lr_airtime_fairness_toggle_missing/

[cold moon]

I’ve heard bad things about these and routing issues

I never suggested touching airtime fairness

[jagged crypt]

they seemed to work with ikea remotes though

[cold moon]

Just that devices and APs have limits

[jagged crypt]

i'm confused about these differences:

nothing i can do about the -83 in the short term, it's the car charger unit in the garage a couple exterior walls away

but i like hte "excellent" experience with RED/YELLOW signal strength

[cold moon]

Experience is mostly airtime fairness like how many clients are on one AP I think

[idle shoal]

"but i like hte "excellent" experience with RED/YELLOW signal strength" 🤣

[proper flicker]

Does anyone know if it is possible to add events to a button? Let's say I want a click once and hold function. Can this be done in a blueprint, or is this firmware based for what ever button/switch I am using?

[jagged crypt]

"it depends"

[proper flicker]

go on

[jagged crypt]

i did double click on buttons, click and hold depends on what the unit sends

you are basically firing of events

what remote?

[proper flicker]

ok, so if I have a button that has click, double click, hold (~4seconds) then it would take some scripting probably?

Either the Sonoff SNZB-01 or Aqara button

I am kind of asking in general at this point.

[jagged crypt]

or may already be done

looks like i got it from here - https://gist.github.com/seamus65/2be0f8c665ac8c1e011fbd1a0937f9e1

[cold moon]

https://epmatt.github.io/awesome-ha-blueprints/docs/blueprints/controllers cool kids use these

[jagged crypt]

I use the round ikea 5-button ones, had to modify a blueprint to get longpress or double click

[proper flicker]

Right, so that button has those 3 functions. I am curious if I could expand on that by implementing a click then hold function. Not sure if the blueprints are able to be expanded or if the firmware on the button is sending those exact signals. I am still pretty new to this

[jagged crypt]

you could modify it without too much difficulty

[proper flicker]

From the last link you sent, it looks like I need to look into how the RAW controller events are handled and maybe use Hooks.

Thanks, I think you sent me in the right direction

[jagged crypt]

i can't remember what i did, but i modded a blueprint to support double click on something, which was basically click <max time> click.

using ZHA

[proper flicker]

That is exactly what I am asking. I'll look into what modifications I can do to the blueprints then,

I'm using Zigbee2MQTT, but I am sure it is possible either way

[jagged crypt]

I do remember fighting with the controller/hooks "awesome ha blueprints" for awhile, and never got it working satisfactoryly, so just got a blueprint working instead.

I think I fought more with getting the play-media method to do the right thing, the goal was making long press load up and start a playlist of radio statiosn, and up/down volume, left/right track advance.

[subtle meadow]

Any theory why the son off s31 wifi has energy metering the the s31 zigbee does not?

I'd like to use less wifi stuff but the s31 zigbee switch seems to only be a switch

[zealous dune]

No theory but fact: manufacturer designed it that way

[cold moon]

The sonoff zigbee ones blackhole routes iirc

S31 Wi-Fi flashed to esphome are a good option

[subtle meadow]

Well yea I know that :)... I was asking to learn. I assume either it's too expensive for zigbee or some other limitations and I'm curious

[jagged crypt]

sengled power monitoring zigbee units

[subtle meadow]

Yes that's what I'll probably do... I just get annoyed when looking through my lost of devices. I try to give them names in my router so I know what's what

[jagged crypt]

i guess that's not s31's technically

[zealous dune]

No such thing, they just decided to make it like that

[cold moon]

I wouldn’t buy sengled anything

[jagged crypt]

they are offline, because they are unplugged, but they were routing

[subtle meadow]

I can't imagine they'd sell an inferior zigbee with the same model number without some reason. But I understand if there is no engineering limitations or price. I feel like years ago when I was researching it was said that zigbee devices were more expensive though

[jagged crypt]

technically they are two different models

[cold moon]

That doesn’t make sense

[subtle meadow]

Yes, s31 and s31zb

Well I guess it has Lite in the name too

[jagged crypt]

https://us.sengled.com/collections/accessories/products/zigbee-smart-plug - these are zigbee and power monitoring

[subtle meadow]

Lemme check those out

[jagged crypt]

model is E1C-NB7

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sengled_E1C-NB7.html

[subtle meadow]

Hmm. Like most Sengled stuff it gives me sticker shock. Then again my cheap wifi plugs slowly die so maybe I need to consider spending more

[cold moon]

Sengled isn’t a good buy

[jagged crypt]

they run US dicounts for 4 for $45-$55 quite often

[cold moon]

Third reality zigbee are suggested for energy monitoring plugs

[subtle meadow]

Okay that would be an acceptable price. I'll have to keep an eye out

[jagged crypt]

s31's with tasmota or similar will give you more info, depending on what you are looking for

[subtle meadow]

Ooh the third reality price is right on amazon

More info eh? More is good

[jagged crypt]

third reality is indeed a good price, i don't remember those being around when i bought the sengleds

[cold moon]

They’re a company spun off by ex hue enployeee and part of the works with home assistant project

I don’t have any of their devices myself tho

[jagged crypt]

sounds like a better choice then the sengled then 🙂

[cold moon]

Mostly cuz of the zigbee firmware issues I’ve seen with sengled and sonoff tho…

[subtle meadow]

Do you mind saying what the extra info is? I tried googling to see what the switch has. I have an unflashed s31 and it just gives me amp, volts, and watts

[jagged crypt]

let me see if I can find the unit

[subtle meadow]

Ah. Power factor stuff, nice

[jagged crypt]

that's running 12.2 tasmota, just running update on it now for curiosity

[subtle meadow]

I still don't fully understand power factor, the more unread the more IP gket confused but I understand the value of the information

[jagged crypt]

more information is not always a good thing

and with an KAUFF bulb plugged into it now:

[subtle meadow]

Third reality has a power factor but not the other two. I just heard of helpers yesterday. Can a helper be made that calculates reactive power and apparent power? There is a simple formula right to get that if you know watts and power factor?

[jagged crypt]

watts is just amps*volts

[subtle meadow]

Yea I mean the apparent power and reactive power

Isn't one of those like watts * power factor? And the other is watts * (1- power factor)

[jagged crypt]

meanwhile, here's that sengled power monitor information, same bulb:

5.9 != 7

for those paying attention

[subtle meadow]

Okay I'm going to get both. I want that power factor information as an alternative to kill-a-watts, but I also want some zigbee plugs to as repeaters

[jagged crypt]

i would grab the third reality stuff

over the sengled

[subtle meadow]

Yea I'm going to get third reality zigbee and some son off s31

Then I have to figure out how to actually use zigbee lol

[jagged crypt]

i got pre-modded s31's, are they selling them easily flashable now?

[subtle meadow]

I dunno. I saw a review that looked like it might have header pins installed

Unless the guy put them on and I missed it

[jagged crypt]

https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/tasmota-us-plug-v2

https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-s31-flashed-with-tasmota/

[cold moon]

No…

[subtle meadow]

Okay

[cold moon]

You use alligator clips or solder onto tiny pads it’s a bitch

[jagged crypt]

or $13 usd from cloudfree

[subtle meadow]

Alligator clips are my plan

[cold moon]

I’d flash them to esphome regardless

[subtle meadow]

I'll have to figure out what that is

[cold moon]

There’s no functional difference between tasmota

[subtle meadow]

I've seen me tion of esphome and tasmota. It don't know. The difference

[cold moon]

Both ways use yaml to give you the ‘extras’ you see above

[jagged crypt]

if it's tasmota, swapping to esphome is trivial

[cold moon]

This is what I have mine setup like with esphome

[subtle meadow]

I love and hate the options in smart homes. I'm always having to Google comparisons of options and there is rarely a clear answer

Zigbee options for HA, front ends for Klipper, now esp home or tasmota.

[cold moon]

There’s always a clear answer there’s just rarely only one answer that is sufficient or best

[subtle meadow]

I mean Klipper is for 3d printers but I sort of consider that smart home

[cold moon]

It’s really not

[jagged crypt]

as long as you start the journy understanding that you'll be burning money to experiment, you'll be fine 🙂

[subtle meadow]

My smart home of the future includes on site fabrication 🙂

And eventually there will be something useful to automate with 3d printing so I count it

Thanks for the help figuring out the plug situation. Like I said a lot of my smart plugs have died so I need to start replacing them so I wanted better ones this time.

[jagged crypt]

hate to ask, "died" may require a different solution then just replacement

[subtle meadow]

Some.just stopped connecting to HA, some aren't responding to their native apips either, some have physical switches also no longer responding

I don't think I have any power issues. I mean this current house is not wired the best so it's possible some of them died due to a power issue

I mean I assume the relays haven't died in them yet but who knows. Theph werpe just the cheapest at the times I ordered thlem

Aukey brand, tp link kass, and some.off brand bn-link

They aren't all dead yet but It wasn't immediately clear how to reset them so I gave up 🙂

I'm moving my house to solar now so I really need metering anyway so thed be replaced if they still worked.

I want to create an automation that turns on things like ozorne generators, dehumidifiers, and such when it's sunny and my batteries are charged. But I also want to start tracking down vampire devices

[jagged crypt]

buy more solar to resolve that

[subtle meadow]

My limitation right now is battery size. So I want to run some non essential things when I have extra power I can't store. I'll expand my battery capacity next year. I also want the ability to shut off non essentials on cloudy days too.

[jagged crypt]

I'll leave you with this:

[subtle meadow]

Nice. I don't have grid export. I don't have an agreement and I chose an inverter without the option.

I have a 10kW array but between my loads and battery i haven't seen more than 5kW.

I checked some reviews and it looks like power factor doesn't work in home
Assistant with the Third Reality zigbee plug

[spare sinew]

can anyone reccomend a relay board that can be powered by 12v and has 8-16 relays that can be easily integrated in home assitant (ideally through lan/ethernet) these relays will just be used to switch automotive relays for pumps/lights etc but i want to be able to switch these relays on and off via home assistant

[gentle fossil]

@fringe moon got a 16 or somewhat channel board from some user here, where did you get it atxbae?

[zealous dune]

https://templates.blakadder.com/kincony_KC868-A16S.html

[gentle fossil]

heh, hope the guy made it and its his product

[spare sinew]

i see Kincony have a few boards is there much difference between this board and say https://www.kincony.com/16ch-esp32-poe-ethernet-relay-module-kincony-e16p.html or https://www.kincony.com/esp32-16-relay-din-rail-relay-module.html ? Is there any general guide to setting these up ? i have some experience with esphome setup

[zealous dune]

differences should be obvious from the specs

general guide would be kincony forums linked from the device page

[spare sinew]

ok cheers bud, do you know best way to buy these boards as i cant see where to order?

[zealous dune]

there's an aliexpress link from my page

[spare sinew]

ok cheers bud

[gloomy juniper]

I am envious of people who understand those things, talk about relays and fake ponies. Damn you all! 🙄

[subtle meadow]

Looking through my box of things I bought from AliExpress by never used I have a ch341A eeprom programmer. It seems to just be a USB to ttl.so.incsn use that to flash tasmota right? It has the gnd, 3.3, rx and tx pins

[fringe moon]

64 channel

[zealous dune]

it's called: spent time learning about insert topic. i used to be you a few years ago

[winged knoll]

That's ... rather how the universe works... nobody's born knowing it all

[zealous dune]

technically yes but not the way you mean

here's the wiring required https://youtu.be/SR2WcK1jobk?si=ucrDIpVjkrPSCUng&t=533

[gloomy juniper]

@winged knoll , Yesterday you told me to stay the F away from Osram LED chip.
Several sellers told me they have Bridgelux and SANAN. WDYT?

[winged knoll]

Many many times I've said what I'd do, and apparently you're ignoring what I say

So... do whatever you want, you clearly don't actually care about my view

[gloomy juniper]

sure I do (this is why I asked if there other other options than Osram), I may have misunderstood your input. sorry

[winged knoll]

You've replied when I've given it... so #hardware-archived message

There's only one way to do "this" right, but you don't want to hear it

[gloomy juniper]

it takes a while for my smart brain to process your input, it will catch up eventually 🙂

[winged knoll]

Good luck

[gloomy juniper]

Ah, mighty @winged knoll, the fountain of infinite wisdom! No need to be mad, O' mighty one. I'm just a humble peasant in your vast knowledge kingdom 🙂

[winged knoll]

Yeah... that's really going to encourage me to help you

[gloomy juniper]

without sarcasm, I really appreciate your doing 🙂

[swift moss]

Hi,
I am using a NUC8BEH to run Home Assistant. I recently had to open the device for maintenance. Upon closing everyhing up and connecting it back to the PSU, I suddenly heard coil whine coming from the motherboard. After some trial and error, I found that it will go away when I leave the cable disconnected that is labeled as "RGB (HDD) LED header" in the data sheet.

As this only seems to be an LED indicator, I should be able to leave it disconnected, right? Are there any downsides/ dangers in doing so?

[zealous dune]

no, you'll just not have hdd activity displayed on the led

[swift moss]

okay, I'm pretty sure I can do without that, given that it's an unattended box anyway. Thanks!

[tacit pilot]

I have these venetian blinds which don't have a string (you have to push up or pull down the bottom bar). Is there any kind of hardware for opening and closing these kinds of blinds?

I'm aware of the switchbot one for tilting them, but was curious if there was something to actually move them up and down

This is actually the first time I've ever seen anything like this. I've only ever seen venetian blinds with a string

[karmic cargo]

Quite a while back, someone here recommended the innr Zigbee bulbs to me. I quite liked them and want to install some more. Unfortunately, the package says "not for fully enclosed fixtures or damp areas like bathrooms". I, of course, want to install bulbs in a fully enclosed fixture in a bathroom. 😦
Does anyone have a suggestion for a bulb similar to https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SmartThings-Required-Dimmable-Equivalent/dp/B08428JSDZ that is also suitable for a fully enclosed fixture in a bathroom and is, preferrably, 8w or less consumption (the max allowed on my fixture)?

[cold moon]

for $45 a bulb i'd buy hue instead..

oh 2 pack

[karmic cargo]

Yeah, was just about to say that... 🙂 Will give the Hue a look, though.

[modern oak]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Tapo-Monitoring-Required-P110/dp/B097YBXHTW/ Would this be fully supported for local only use or flashable? Struggling to find info which seems odd to me as its TP Link

[jagged crypt]

The HUE lights say not for enclosed spaces either, I ran two in a "nipple ceiling mount" for 4 years without issues, just basic white-850lm ones.

You will be reducing their livespan due to heat. As for damp locations, if your bathroom lights are getting wet, maybe invest in a better shower curtain.

[karmic cargo]

LOL, fair point!
I'm pretty sure most of that is lawyer-speak for "don't blame us if they die young"... I imagine most will work. Thanks for the dose of common sense.

[jagged crypt]

I got some hue white only for $8usd each so i wasn't that concerned about lifespan (well, I didn't want them burning out in a week, but 4 years, and they are still working, seemed fine)

[cold moon]

I’ve had hue bulbs outside in Texas summer with humidity and winters and they keep going

3 years I think now

[jagged crypt]

just put up 4 outdoor lhue floods (yay, more clearance) that i noticed say max temp 105f, I live in northern california, and it's supposed to be ~100f today

[sterile coyote]

I've an old laptop that doesn't support AVX instructions for frigate and have issues running whisper etc. I'm holding back on buying a newer system for about another year. If I was to buy the coral usb accelerator would this solve my issues?

[cold moon]

i'd ask in #cameras-archived

[rich venture]

there does seem to be fix for running on cpu that doesent support avx

[sterile coyote]

Oh? Do you know what it is or to send me in the right direction to find out? I do eventually want to replace the old laptop I'm using but got other pressing things to purchase unfortunately

[rich venture]

https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate-hass-addons/pull/12

[sterile coyote]

Thanks I'll have a read!

Wish whisper also had a work around for it, really need to get newer hardware

[cold moon]

were you the guy using that old netbook?

[sterile coyote]

Nope, using an old dell laptop

[cold moon]

cant go wrong with a mini pc

[sterile coyote]

I get overwhelmed with the amount of options, plus I like using a laptop for that built in battery lol

[cold moon]

well i still use a used laptop running haos

[rich venture]

lenovo tiny with 6th gen cpu or higher is a safe bet

[cold moon]

i took the wifi/bluetooth m.2 E slot card out and replaced it with a $25 coral m.2 E key

9 cameras using frigate, plus a bunch of other addons and it's running like a dream

8th gen intel i think

[rich venture]

what cpu does that laptop have?

[sterile coyote]

Honestly it's been great, besides not supporting AVX instructions

[sterile coyote]

Let me check now

[rich venture]

that is one old cpu

[sterile coyote]

Oh definitely lol

[rich venture]

i miss upgradable laptop cpus

[sterile coyote]

Think I bought it 10+ years ago and repurposed it to run HA about 3-4 years ago

[cold moon]

good news is once you upgrade you can use that old laptop as a boat anchor

[cold moon]

well the framework laptops are apparently very good

[rich venture]

you dont understand
cpu was socketed

[jagged crypt]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/42925/intel-pentium-processor-t4500-1m-cache-2-30-ghz-800-mhz-fsb/specifications.html only 13 years old

[cold moon]

if i never have to take apart a laptop again it will be too soon

[jagged crypt]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/1402vs2627/Intel-Pentium-T4500-vs-Intel-i5-6500T - and for $150 you can upgrade to something twice as fast with an SFF (single threaded speed, same power)

[sterile coyote]

Knew it was at least 10 years lol

To be fair it's done me well running HA and other random stuff like node red, pihole and a few other things

[jagged crypt]

yeah, I won't tell you to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. But sounds like you potentially have a reason now.

[rich venture]

i wonder how power hungry is it

[sterile coyote]

Oh yeah I definitely do, I do have another old laptop, maybe about 6 years old lying about that's probably a bit more powerful. Not sure of the specs need would need to boot it up

[sterile coyote]

You think it's heavy on power?

[cold moon]

no no.. he should

just for the sake of it

[sterile coyote]

Lol

[cold moon]

generally speaking, the older, the less efficient

put a smart plug on it and report back

[jagged crypt]

well, can probably just look at the laptop PSU for max wattage 🙂

[cold moon]

we need real world results yo

[sterile coyote]

I'll put a smart plug in it now and see how much it uses overnight

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/elvira-georgia-dex-wi8Ez1mwRcKGI

[jagged crypt]

From earlier before i moved, my lenovo tiny i5-6500t unit running proxmox w/ HA in a VM, and another VM running dns/dhcp.

[cold moon]

ya

your entity name gave me cancer tho

[jagged crypt]

from our discussion yesterday even

[rich venture]

me with N2930 based mini pc sipping 5w

[cold moon]

yes but he wants to use frigate and that has no igpu able to use openvino right?

[jagged crypt]

i raise you 10watts:

[sterile coyote]

Let's see how it performs overnight

[cold moon]

this is what all my network + server stuff takes

[cold moon]

what the hell is that?

cloud based?

[sterile coyote]

Yep dreadful, never use it except in small tests

[jagged crypt]

yah, the ~15 watts on the tiny server doesn't include the networking gear, etc 🙂

[cold moon]

./giphy straight to jail

[rich venture]

(it was rainy today)

[sterile coyote]

Oh stop it because I'd love to do a solar project to just offset the laptop at best! 😂

[jagged crypt]

just for the sake of not upgrading your laptop, you should order a solar setup

[sterile coyote]

And honestly that's a project I'm so not capable of doing successfully

[subtle meadow]

gonna see if this ch341 can flash a s31 with esphome

do I have to flash tasmota first?

[cold moon]

No lol

Tasmota is an option over esphome

Since nabu casa owns esphome and the configuration, to me, is simpler, I prefer it

[subtle meadow]

When you go to ESPHome, the link it gives you to instructions is guide to installing tasmota so I thought maybe I had to do that 🙂 https://devices.esphome.io/devices/Sonoff-S31

[cold moon]

I use an ftdi adapter

[subtle meadow]

windows doesn't want to recognize this ch341 programmer so I'll prboably have to order a different serial adapter

yea i was hoping to use what I owned already. I might try Mint and see if it likes the programmer

[cold moon]

I don’t see tasmota there anywhere

[subtle meadow]

the link under initial install where it says "You must remove the cover and use the serial header"

[cold moon]

If you have the esphome addon installed I’d use that to make the firmware

[subtle meadow]

okay its one of those things

[cold moon]

I’ve shared the yaml here

[subtle meadow]

it doesnt have a stock yaml for the device?

oh wait ya there is a yaml in the link lol

[cold moon]

well there's shit yaml

[subtle meadow]

id call it confusing yaml

the password thing is confusing me

oh i see there is a secrets yaml

[cold moon]

https://dpaste.org/R7XCh

[subtle meadow]

whats the format for the secret just wifi_ssid: ssid?

[cold moon]

# Your Wi-Fi SSID and password
wifi_ssid: "yourusername"
wifi_password: "yourpassword"

way ahead of you

[subtle meadow]

thanks

[cold moon]

dpaste link above is the full yaml i use

except i fill in the api key

and change the device name

[subtle meadow]

can i plug the programmer into the home assistant device to flash?

[zealous dune]

Did you install the drivers?

[subtle meadow]

or do I need to make it generate a bin and use another device

[cold moon]

either

[subtle meadow]

home assistant is on a dedicate pi

[zealous dune]

You can download the binary to your machine

Then flash it with whatever you want, even a web flasher

[cold moon]

https://web.esphome.io/?dashboard_wizard

[subtle meadow]

if the programmer can work on the pi that would be better. I'll see what happens when i plug it in

[cold moon]

well you dont need to plug it into the pi

[subtle meadow]

i know but its not working on windows right now so I need to find another device anyway

[cold moon]

haos for sure isnt gonna have the drivers i think

[subtle meadow]

i installed the drivers but its not working

damn, okay i'll try my linux machine then

[cold moon]

actually idk

also with the yaml i shared above- make sure you set ```yaml
switch:

• platform: gpio
  name: "${friendly_devicename}"
  icon: "mdi:power-socket-us"
  pin: GPIO12
  id: relay
  restore_mode: ALWAYS_OFF

i.e. if it's a fridge you definitely want that to reboot into ALWAYS_ON.. for reasons

[subtle meadow]

always_off, no thanks 🙂

[cold moon]

that's what happens after it regains power

[subtle meadow]

Yea I understand what it is

jsut surprised thats the default

[cold moon]

oh okay

it's not

it's what i've shared from a plug i use on a 3d printer

[subtle meadow]

oh, then im surprised you chose that lol

oh, i suppose that makes sense

[cold moon]

because i dont need all my 3d printers online at 3am after a power loss

[subtle meadow]

ironically thats what this plug is for.. my broken voron

[cold moon]

time:
  - platform: sntp
    id: my_time
``` and this part was throwing errors in my unifi logs cuz i block traffic from IoT subnet that the plugs are on

so i had to add a fw rule for sntp

guess i should run a local one idk

[subtle meadow]

never heard of sntp.. ive heard of the evil smtp 🙂

[cold moon]

https://esphome.io/components/time/sntp.html

are you holding the s31 button down before plugging in the usb serial adapter btw?

[subtle meadow]

nope, forgot that part 🙂

[cold moon]

i cant remember if you have to hold it down until you click flash or not

there's video tutorials- prob not a bad idea to watch one

[subtle meadow]

i can change these yaml things from the webUI after I flash right?

[cold moon]

word

flash once serially

after that you OTA flash mostly (over the air)

[subtle meadow]

yea

okay i just realized there is a jumper on the programmer, it had me in the wrong mode, now its in TTL.. should be able to do this on windows

so cool that ESPhome can find the serial

when does the YAML come into play

yea im gonna find a video

damn why are all the videos so long

10 minutes seems to be the shortest.. guess thatll do

[zealous dune]

because of youtube algo

[subtle meadow]

yea.. friggin algorithm

[zealous dune]

yaml comes into play immediately

[subtle meadow]

then maybe i messed up 🙂

i did the prepare for first use, it didnt ask for any config and then installed something but the next step failed..

i'll try to generate a bin file adn just flash that

[hexed galleon]

I want to give my brother the automation of his new apartment, its size is 165m2
Nothing is automated atm
I am getting him a M910Q Tiny i5-6500T to install proxmox and HA on it

Now I am deciding what to do to automate his lights

Not sure if using shelly for lights

[subtle meadow]

i need to research proxmox so I can stop using a pi for my HA

sorry to distract 🙂

[hexed galleon]

no need of proxmox to use HA , just if you want to install more stuff on your server

[subtle meadow]

yea I don't like SD cards so I want to switch from a pi to a NUC or this crappy celeron NUC wannabe I have

[zealous dune]

proxmox is when you want to do more with the machine

celeron is not crappr for HA use

certainly better than a pi

[subtle meadow]

yea. If I use the celeron I dont need proxmox as I dont care about monopolizing that device

if I use the NUC I'd want to multitask with it

[zealous dune]

i wouldnt

[subtle meadow]

but you are fancier than me 🙂

[cold moon]

Debatable

[hexed galleon]

Why not?

[zealous dune]

HA is a critical service in my home so I keep it separate

[subtle meadow]

lol, if the celeron is better than a Pi then that answers my question. That device I got for free adn its not useful for an UI stuff so dedicating it to HA works

damn compiling the firmware failed

[hexed galleon]

my setup is working great with HA and frigate in different instances

[zealous dune]

confirmed not 😄

[cold moon]

Debatable

[subtle meadow]

xtensa-lx106-elf-g++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus
compilation terminated.
*** [/data/voron-printer-plug/.pioenvs/voron-printer-plug/src/esphome/components/api/api_connection.cpp.o] Error 1```

do I need to fill in the api line?

[hexed galleon]

Life is safer with backups

[zealous dune]

not to compile successfully

[subtle meadow]

okay ill retry

should I use the modern or legacy format for exporting a bin

[zealous dune]

depends on how you'll flash

"modern" format is easier with esptool

[subtle meadow]

oh perfect that works then

it says its good for the web tool, and esptool is what I'd use if i dont use the web tool so

hmmm.. failed sooner this time 🙂

im gonna try the guide yaml

[hexed galleon]

anyway, what would you all suggest to automate lights?

[zealous dune]

lights is a broad spectrum of devices

[subtle meadow]

what kind of lights?

[hexed galleon]

right

[subtle meadow]

is he just trying to turn them on and off? or do fancier stuff?

[hexed galleon]

In this case , I would use relays switches

[zealous dune]

then use relay modules

[subtle meadow]

FML... why is nothign ever smooth. I must have broken some mirrors 🙂

[hexed galleon]

Yes, indeed not sure if using wifi (shelly) zigbee or zwave

[cold moon]

i've done this 8 times.. it's always smooth besides the actual soldering lol

buy an ftdi adapter not w/e you're using

[subtle meadow]

the soldering went smooth. I honestly dont knwo why people dont like the soldering part

[zealous dune]

then make sure before proceeding

[hexed galleon]

in my home I have something called HDL which is all wired so its 100% safe

[subtle meadow]

well im not to the FTDI issue, i cant compile the firmware

[cold moon]

well i have a $15 chyna special with not-a-small-tip and no solder fingers

that doesnt help

[subtle meadow]

I have a TS100 and do a lot of fiddly soldering on drone stuff so I guess its easy to me now

[hexed galleon]

once I tried a Tuya wifi device and was awfull

[cold moon]

i'm not bad at soldering i just have shitty tools

[zealous dune]

that explains why you dont find it difficult

its not the tools

[cold moon]

it very much is

[subtle meadow]

yea the TS100 is amazing. I need to ge the new one that is USB-C

[zealous dune]

unless you're doing microsoldering

i had no problems using a 10$ ali iron

[cold moon]

oh i make it work

but it's not ideal

[zealous dune]

the pencil iron is just easier to wield and controls temps faster

nothing is ideal

[cold moon]

i actually got a weller little station thing

but the tips it came with are even bigger

gotta get some

[subtle meadow]

yea im gonna buy some clips so I dont have to solder next time. I just figured I'd do this with the plug I already have so that it does smoother when I get more plugs this weekend

[zealous dune]

TS and T12 tipped irons are great

[cold moon]

i'll add them to the list

[zealous dune]

since you're murican youcan probably get a pinecil easily

[subtle meadow]

i think the T12 is the one i use

yea pinecil is what I want

[zealous dune]

i have an SI012 that takes both versions

[subtle meadow]

I have a TS100 and use usb-c trigger to power it via USB-C, but skipping that would be easier

[zealous dune]

i only use the USB-C plug

[subtle meadow]

like a 5525 to 5515 adapter, to a cable, to the trigger.. so excessive but at the time the pinecil wasnt out yet

[zealous dune]

DC barrels are so 2010

[subtle meadow]

yea i hate barrels

pinecil is cheaper too, i was sort of pissed 🙂

[zealous dune]

those were different times

my iron costs only 30 EUR

[hexed galleon]

Anyway to automate the switches,
What I have read

ZWave is more reliable, more expensive
ZigBee is cheaper, less reliable

Wifi , not sure but I tried a tuya device that became crazy when power went out.
But I have tested a shelly wifi energy meter which works well, not sure how relay modules will behave

I dont know if anyone has experienced those shelly relays and how reliable are they

[cold moon]

nah

most summaries, especially by youtubers, are wrong

whether intentionally or due to ignorance

not mine tho..

[subtle meadow]

i hate zwave, granted i last used it with the the first smartthings I think, but I have so many zwave stuff collecting dust that I coul;dn't keep working

[zealous dune]

all are reliable if you dont have interference

[cold moon]

zwave is actually more of a bitch than zigbee

but it shelters you from as many shit manufacturers/devices

[subtle meadow]

so annoying when I ask google to turn off the lights it says sorry but 28 lights couldn't be turned off (or something like that)

[zealous dune]

personally i use mostly wifi devices because i don't use a shit router

[subtle meadow]

need to find a way to remove smart things from google, and then burn all the google homes

[cold moon]

personally i have too many wifi devices between wled and esphome and lose airtime fairness on my access points because of it

[zealous dune]

google homes are great as voice assistants for HA 😄

[subtle meadow]

are they? thats good if true

because they have been more useless over the years

I'd like to find a way to make my HA alerts say something on the google homes on TTS

I have a notification when my freezer or fridge get too warm and I'd like that to yell at me

[cold moon]

find a way? that's called a tts notification lol

[subtle meadow]

my ADHD has made me blind to notifications on my phone

yea tis something I am sure is simple that I just haven't had time to google yet

[cold moon]

when my mailbox is opened the old AOL "you've got mail" soundbyte plays on my homepod minis throughout the house

[zealous dune]

thats basically all they do in my home. and set timers

[subtle meadow]

yea timers is all I use them for

[zealous dune]

yeah ADHD cares not for notifications

[subtle meadow]

because of ADHD the timers alone make google homes worth it

[zealous dune]

preach

[cold moon]

well no they also send all the things to the mothership to sell

[subtle meadow]

but I forget to listen and half teh time google doesnt set the timer, so thats fun

[hexed galleon]

What you set timers for?

[subtle meadow]

liek i forget to listen if it actually answered me

mostly cooking

[zealous dune]

luckily i live in a country google has minimal presence so nothing to sell really

[subtle meadow]

and remidner to let the dogs back in the house, stuff like that

[cold moon]

this is stoner behavior not adhd behavior

[hexed galleon]

I find Alexa a bit better than google home

But Google Home integrates better into HA?

[subtle meadow]

ive always been a bit straight edge

cant get stoned, tried it twice, it was terrifying

[cold moon]

wrong kind of weed i guess. probably for the best tho

[subtle meadow]

strong weed makes me unable to move, weed gummies makes my brain do this metacognition thing that I sort of hate

i dont get paranoid, but my natural tendency to consider things from two sides goes into a feedback loop lol. Makes it hard to get much done

[cold moon]

"git gud at drugs" or something

[subtle meadow]

but ADHD is not a real thing. It's really 2 or 3 things that have common symptoms.. some versions respond to things like weed, some dont

[cold moon]

i'm complacent on pot so not great

[subtle meadow]

can i do an apt update on HAOS? I am wondering if something ESPHome relies on is out of date

[cold moon]

nah

can you post your yaml

[subtle meadow]

its yours 🙂

[cold moon]

thought you said you were using the stock one

[subtle meadow]

I tried yours and the stock one, same error

all i did wa chagn the substitutions

[cold moon]

doy ou mean just the first three lines?

[subtle meadow]

yup

[cold moon]

k

[subtle meadow]

I change like one word on lines 2 and 3

[cold moon]

can you post the error again

[subtle meadow]

xtensa-lx106-elf-g++: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus
compilation terminated.
*** [/data/voron-printer-plug/.pioenvs/voron-printer-plug/src/esphome/components/api/api_connection.cpp.o] Error 1``````

hmm googling the xtensa line.. i didnt notice that the first time

[cold moon]

that cant be the full error

[subtle meadow]

it was the beginning of the red text

pretty sure it was all teh error bits but I'll try again to get something more complete if it fails againm. I found someone with the error saying using Update All worked and I think it got pas tht api connection step this time

i did just update HA to 10.5 so it could eb that coincidentally, but I think its going through this time

[cold moon]

well if it fails to compile in my experience it's always been due to a configuration issue

[subtle meadow]

one of the responses said they had a RAM issue on the pi so it might have just beent he reboot

[cold moon]

but i think it does do some shit online with pio servers? idk

[subtle meadow]

yea i see a lot of people saying its a ram issue with the Pi3B+

good to know. I tried to put it on a Pi4 but the restore didnt work for any of my devices

[cold moon]

then use the esphome webflasher to create the firmware https://web.esphome.io/?dashboard_wizard

[subtle meadow]

apparently there is a setting, compile_process_limit: 1, that can fix it

[cold moon]

yolo

[subtle meadow]

can I create from tehre?

[cold moon]

i only use pis for 3d printers

you can

err shit i think so..

[subtle meadow]

I didnt see the compile stuff there, just a connect to the device where it didnt ask for the yaml

[cold moon]

You have to reboot after a successful restore

If that doesn’t work you have bigger problems

[subtle meadow]

i dont remember if I tried that. I think I did but it was a while ago

i'll try putting home assistant on the celeron thing I have and try again

[cold moon]

Tbh I never suggested using the hass device

I do it on my pc

Using edge browser connected to hass

[subtle meadow]

im using edge to connect to HASS and using ESPHome within that. The update got through the steps so I am trying to compile again

ill have to figure out a direct route to ESPHome. I assume I just need to know a port?

[cold moon]

i dont follow

[subtle meadow]

you said you do it from your pc connected to the hass

is that at homeassistant.local bla bla... or is it IPOFHA:PORT

[zealous dune]

ip:6052

[subtle meadow]

damn it failed again. I'll try that

[cold moon]

ok

confirmed pi3 issue

just give up

i can compile for you if you give me your ssid and password

[subtle meadow]

I did the 1 thread thing and still

[cold moon]

just never tell me where you live

[zealous dune]

and social security number

[subtle meadow]

okay 🙂

[cold moon]

i mean honestly

as long as i have no physical access and literally dont know where he lives

i dont see the huge downside lol

it's technically gross tho

[subtle meadow]

the password is in the secret file so you dont even need that right?

[cold moon]

bruh

think that through

the secrets file the yaml is pointing to?

[subtle meadow]

yes

[cold moon]

it doesnt need that before it packages everything up in a nice ball?

[subtle meadow]

oh wait does it pull the secret file durign the compilation

lol for some reason I thought it was grabbign the secret when turning on.. i realize thats stupid

[cold moon]

if it didnt how would the device connect after flashing

word

[zealous dune]

i dont really see why you need his ssid

or password

[cold moon]

err?

to compile code for the devices to connect to his lan to?

what am i missing lol

[subtle meadow]

ill just install it on another device to compile it. I need to be able to compile anyway

[cold moon]

ye for sure

[zealous dune]

https://esphome.io/components/captive_portal.html?highlight=captive_portal

[cold moon]

oh ya

that's already part of it

[zealous dune]

err!

[cold moon]

well

i wasnt wrong

you're just suggesting after it failing due to not giving the wifi creds it falls back

[subtle meadow]

lol i didnt realize the fallback generated a hotspot, thats nifty

[cold moon]

it says hotspot in the name

haha

[zealous dune]

Debatable

[subtle meadow]

yes it does, btu I was thinking it was the hotspot on my phone that I'd have to turn on

my brain is fried okay.. too much yaml and reading logs

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WJjLyXCVvro2I

so i can compile for you using random wifi creds

[zealous dune]

or all those manufacturers selling esphome devices are asking their customers for wifi credentials on each sale

[cold moon]

and then you flash it

and then you edit the yaml connecting manually via your phone or laptop or something to put in your wifi creds

[subtle meadow]

are there people flashing ESPHome on devices? What is the markup on that

[cold moon]

you were linked to the cloudfree one yesterday with tasmota

[zealous dune]

but can't compile yaml so it doesnt matter

[cold moon]

it's either nothing or like $1-2

[cold moon]

shit

[subtle meadow]

oy have to install python.. i hate python on windows

lets see if I can put it on ubuntu

[zealous dune]

its amazing how complicated this got fast 😄

[subtle meadow]

wait i already have python on this machine.. so i can skip that step

[cold moon]

not really complicated but it is another reason to say "dont use a pi with hass"

[subtle meadow]

oh i use pip to install it.. fun times

yea frak the pi

[cold moon]

you can buy another printer to use the pi on tho

[subtle meadow]

i have several pis not in use already

[cold moon]

showoff

[subtle meadow]

but i have more than enough printers I have yet to klipperize 🙂

i sort of hate klipper

[cold moon]

well

[subtle meadow]

like its awesome, but i break it way too often

[zealous dune]

you're a walking oxymoron

[subtle meadow]

because tehy dont know how to update klipper

if i update klipper before moonraker or vice versa shit breaks half the time and I have to recompile and flash the firmware.. and i have a bad habit of pressing update all that I cant seem to break 🙂

[cold moon]

an industrial engineer who owns a 3d printer farm and also has a lot of code in marlin upstream has confirmed his insurance underwriter on his farm wouldnt sign off if he was running even once instance of klipper

there's a legality issue with their use of emergency-stop

[subtle meadow]

and that underwriter was probably right 🙂

[zealous dune]

i'm amazed the underwriter knows what klipper is 😄

[cold moon]

definitely*

[cold moon]

highly specialized i'm sure

not just some random allstate guy

[subtle meadow]

klipper is bleeding edge nonsense

[zealous dune]

have you tried Duet?

[subtle meadow]

its probably just that the underwriter knows what marlin is because its ubiquitous

[zealous dune]

i hope thats what its called

[cold moon]

i've talked to a guy who thought alex jones and gay frogs made a lot of sense who liked duet

[subtle meadow]

and insurance underwriters jsut say no to new shit

[zealous dune]

that explains it 😄

[subtle meadow]

like a lot of people wont give you a loan to buiild a house using ICFs... which is a valid technology thats been around a long time, but they dont care

I think everyone agrees ICF is better than traditional concrete foundations but insurance people are wussies 🙂

[zealous dune]

i would if i knew what that is

[subtle meadow]

insulated concrete forms

[cold moon]

ya but this specific reason with "emergency stop" is pretty cut and dry

[subtle meadow]

its basically like these insulated forms that you can put together quickly like legos and just pour the concrete in

[zealous dune]

still doesn't explan much

ah i saw those the other day

[subtle meadow]

would make a basement automatically insulated and make the build go faster saving time and money

[zealous dune]

funny that land of the free doesn't allow those

[subtle meadow]

stick built houses are getting exponentially expensive becuase they take way too friggin long to build

oh it allows them

but on your own dime

you cant use a construction loan

[zealous dune]

freedom

[subtle meadow]

its also hard to build a barndominium on a construction loan

though you are right that we have a lack of freedom in a lot of places

[cold moon]

it's land-of-the-rich-do-what-they-want-not-free

[subtle meadow]

I moved because I wasnt allowed to do any of my own damn work on my house where I was

and because when i did it anyway, my neighbors called code enforcement on me

now the neighbors cant see me. I piss off my balcony just because I can lol

[cold moon]

this keeps people from selling a house that later falls down on the occupants 10 years down the road

[subtle meadow]

I understand the logic, and its crap

[cold moon]

well in theory sure

in practice, people are selfish and mostly not that smart

[subtle meadow]

like I would be okay getting things inspected, but they wont even let you do that

i think they let you do electrical if you take some homeowner test, but a lot of stuff you cant do

and I am like 3/4 of an electrican

[cold moon]

are you in au?

[subtle meadow]

well 30%, spend two years in IBEW 🙂

no I'm a yank

god australia makes me want to cry with the cost of power

im whining about paying 12 cents a kWh.. i hear its like 50 cents over tehre

yup windows python pissed me off already

lets try on ubuntu

[cold moon]

Damn round 3- ready - fight!

[subtle meadow]

days like today I want to move my main machine to linux. I never will do that again.. but sometimes I wish windows had a better terminal

i got it installed.. forgot windows needs administrator to be useful

[zealous dune]

windows terminal is pretty good

[cold moon]

It’s got built in ssh now too

[subtle meadow]

ssh.. why the hell is ssh such a pain on HA?

[zealous dune]

its not but it is on HAOS

[subtle meadow]

well thats what I mean

anywhere else HA is just a part of an OS that already has SSH.. but its stupid on HAOS

[zealous dune]

why do you run it then if its stupid

[subtle meadow]

okay its in stalled.. how do I get into it lol

well im learning that its stupid.. i thought it would be the best option at first

but the ssh thing made me mad earlier this week.. this compiling thing is making me mad today

[zealous dune]

to make a familiar analogy, you chose a Bambulab printer with HAOS

[subtle meadow]

ive been out of the loop since about a month before everyone and their mom got a bambulab

so I dont get the analogy lol

[zealous dune]

HAOS is an appliance style install for people that don't want ssh and usually don't know what that is

[subtle meadow]

ahhh yea that is not what I thought I was geting

[zealous dune]

well... you got it

[subtle meadow]

I thought by its very nature that ther ewould be little difference between HAOS and another option if I didnt plan to multitask on teh devie

[zealous dune]

there is little difference

one of those is not having ssh natively

[subtle meadow]

agreed.. its a little thing that I could get over. This flashing thing might be a deal breaker though

[zealous dune]

thats mostly you and your toy pretending to be a computer

[subtle meadow]

its making me mess with python on windows.. i hate that

yea its such a cool toy though

but the sd card part makes what you say too true

but the thing that throws me is all the other appliance type use cases I have for the pi have ssh 🙂

[zealous dune]

i prefer my celeron running two different instances of esphome

and compiling them 😄

[subtle meadow]

i'll be digging that celeron out tomorrow probably

[zealous dune]

it even runs parts of klipper 😄

[subtle meadow]

i do want to figure out how to run multiple devices from one klipper

[zealous dune]

doesnt kiauh have an option to do that

[cold moon]

tbh this is a decent reason to install proxmox on it

i still dont like that idea personally tho

if the box dies you lose all the printers

[zealous dune]

or learn docker

[subtle meadow]

i hear a lot about proxmox and I looked into it. I dont know if the celeron has the power for it but my "server" should

i say "server" because someone criticized me because my server isn't a headless machine but just a desktop I use headless

oh wow.. using esphome on windows makes me feel like I am using linux.. this is creepy

[zealous dune]

oh no, how dare you

[subtle meadow]

i know right

i was very surprised that linux mint cant handle the headless thing

[zealous dune]

imagine if you used a laptop as server... sacrilege

[subtle meadow]

i had to buy a DVi plug that pretends its a monitor

oh god I'd never do that

it failed to open the com port, is there a command to flash without having to compile over again?

[zealous dune]

yes

[subtle meadow]

okay its flashing this time yay

lets see if thsi works

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/SpiderManMovie-spiderman-spidermannowayhome-no-way-home-QbwjcQWl1smKpTrBcl

[subtle meadow]

so will it go on wifi while connected to the 3.3v of the programmer or do I need to plug it into the wall

okay i see i got to plug it back in

[zealous dune]

aka power cycle

[subtle meadow]

but pwoer cycle with mains, not the DC of the programmer

[zealous dune]

some programmers can't supply enough power but your seems to have a good voltage regulator

[subtle meadow]

makes sense

gotta find my solder wick

[zealous dune]

just unsolder the wires

[cold moon]

soldern't

[zealous dune]

imma steal that

[subtle meadow]

i used header pins 🙂

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-it-crowd-copyright-warning-PKciromaKecxy

[subtle meadow]

i can do without the wick.. but i had just foudn one like two days ago.. shjould be on my desk somewhere

[zealous dune]

heat solder, pull wires... easy

[subtle meadow]

pins, not wires.. they dont come off as easy as wires. I never get to use my wick damnit

misplaced it. solder sucker it is

[cold moon]

i have one of those white and blue $3 specials

that shit tries to jump out of your hand and still doesnt work unless you hit it just right

not a fan

it's either the perfect tool or worthless lol

[zealous dune]

those are crap

[cold moon]

i bought solder wick but i got way too thin

err.. not wide enough

so i have to like triple it up to really soak up solder

didnt want to just toss it tho

[zealous dune]

you can keep it for those special moments

[cold moon]

i've seen smd and then guys using microscopes with like solder balls

i dont want to be that guy lol

[zealous dune]

me neither, too stressful

[golden thorn]

The secret ingredient is flux. Lots of it

[zealous dune]

basically the answer to most soldering issues

[subtle meadow]

except why the flux can is so fucking hard to open lol

gotta stop bulk buying on aliexpress

[zealous dune]

because you didnt buy the syringe

[subtle meadow]

im sur ethis flux has cancer

[golden thorn]

It's usually rosin which can cause some issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosin#Health_effects
It and many other things (epoxy, for example) can also cause sensitization afaik

[cold moon]

i really need to print a solder fume fan kit

they have cute lil battery powered printable designs

[subtle meadow]

thank god it worked.. because I ripped those solder pads off accidentally 🙂

[cold moon]

not ideal

[golden thorn]

Northridgefix's youtube channel might be of interest to you. They mostly do micro soldering. Including repairing broken solder pads, traces and such.

[subtle meadow]

i need to print a better one

i have a battery powered 3d printed fume extractor.. i hate it

it needs to be like an inch from the soldering iron to do much. I keep meaning to get a more powerful fan

i need to rebuild it completely though. I'd prefer a design with a longer chamber though so the fan has more space

its just one plug. Not worth it. if it broke I'd just toss it with all the other ones that I cant get open to try and flash if tehy even have ESP in them

anyone know a good cheap air quality sensor? My Ecobee says i have shitty air quality no matter what I do

when my VOCs were 999,999 and now when its like 100k

i cant figure out if i actually have air thats bad or if the sensor is crap

[zealous dune]

That's too many VOCs

[subtle meadow]

you think i can trust the sensor?

even when the windows are open flushing the house it says poor

[zealous dune]

If you're not dead while it's showing that you shouldn't

[subtle meadow]

yea i wasnt dead when it said 999,999

ive been running a box fan with carbon filters on it for a few days.. lets see what it says