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remote finch
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I anticipate one HA server in the house, and many many mqtt pi's or esp32's all over the place

willow bronze
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huh

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there's this pir motion sensor that I got that apparently has socketed wireless module

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there are 2 versions, one with zigbee and one with wi-fi, and I suppose this is a production cost measure

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it is however held there pretty hard and i am afraid of pulling out of there in case i break something off, but it looks like esp8266

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or whatever the counterpart for ZigBee is called, if there is a counterpart

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wish more tuya devices were like that

stoic venture
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I have my HA running in a virtualbox vm. After updating my host from 5.10 to 5.12 my zigbee usb stick got unpaired with the guest vm. I've got it paired again but all of my zigbee devices are unavailable now. Does it just take a while or is something broken?

balmy ginkgo
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Oh i am just also installing that @mighty river 😛 Fingers crossed 😛

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restarting home assistant ..

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snif 😦 21-03-05 15:06:46 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host 172.30.33.4:8099 ssl:default [Connect call failed ('172.30.33.4', 8099)]
When i click the openWebUI

spice kelp
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zzh back in stock tomorrow

balmy ginkgo
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If i have MQTT broker and ZIgbee2MQTT i dont need the ZIgbee Home AUtomation integration, right?

summer thicket
balmy ginkgo
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That's the Conbee stick, right?

summer thicket
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yep

spice kelp
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have you added the deconz-specific config options?

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these are needed (set your own device path):

  port: /dev/ttyAMA0
  adapter: deconz
baudrate: 38400```
balmy ginkgo
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no, will try now

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baudrate was already there, added the deconz thing.
@spice kelp werkz

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Sounds like a re-occuring theme. Could add deconz thing to documentation tab

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ingress also werkz, can open web UI. okay lets add something 😄
Oh nice it has pics forthe devices

silent lintel
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any recs on door/window sensors?

sour shadow
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The Xiaomi Aqara ones are pretty solid, and cheap

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The Konke ones are slightly smaller, but they work on only a few channels

silent lintel
desert cloak
silent lintel
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I'm losing my mind

simple sentinel
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We all are

jolly narwhal
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You guys have minds to lose?

molten linden
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all the solder fumes help me

amber gull
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@golden vessel Speaking of losing my mind, turns out my "phantom" xiaomi aqara motions was my robotic vacuum

golden vessel
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I still have phantoms and nothing moving around 😦

amber gull
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I don't know why I never put it together before -- it was happening when we left, and I assumed it was a lighting change triggering it? lol

golden vessel
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yeah, my roomba also triggers them

amber gull
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they are very sensitive -- definitely not pet proof, our little 14 month old also triggers them instantly

forest arrow
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So I have the Sonoff Zigbee Bridge, since it is a Zigbee Coordinator, is it a safe assumption that it will work the things like this Xiaomi Aqara door/window sensors (new guy to zigbee world) and is there a place I can go to research good sensors? I am currently using the Sonoff Door and Window sensors and while I have been told not to trust the power readings, I have only had them installed for a few weeks and some of the batteries are down to sub 50% and really don't feel like spending that much money on batteries on a regular basis.

jolly narwhal
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If you don't already have routers around your house, start by buying that

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All my Xiaomi sensors batteries have lasted 2y+

silent lintel
jolly narwhal
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Depends on the building materials, the coordinator and the size of the covered area

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My cc1352 covers my whole house without routers, a cc2531 hardly covered one room

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But I have a bunch of routers because every bulb in my house is a smart bulb, except 4

spice kelp
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if Z2M is in enabled_join mode, i shouldn't have to do anything else besides put the end device into pairing mode?

violet dagger
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yup

spice kelp
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sorry, permit_join

golden vessel
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Any zigbee relay that has pulses natively (not dependent on HA), so that it turns off automatically after every turn_on command?

heavy latch
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Is there was a way I can determine if a device supports binding?

blissful adder
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guys i can not pair my aqara vibration sensor... any help please? I just paird 2 motnions sensors and 4 multi sensors...

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I am directly pairing to a Conbee2 in HA

spice kelp
blissful adder
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it sounds like up up down down rright left right left....

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Thanks Jilwaren! ehhehehe

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@spice kelp it worked! Thanks

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@spice kelp I am now in the turbo mode 🙂

blissful adder
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The only one I do not know how to do now is the water/humidity sensor

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there is no reset!!

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Got it you have you have to press the center button on the icon of water... but HARD!!!!!!!!!

limpid dawn
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@sour shadow Hey can you spare some minutes for this person?

sour shadow
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No

limpid dawn
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Fair, thanks for your time

sour shadow
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You can however just ask your question and then somebody might help you

prisma shell
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Hey, I'm trying to check/force a firmware update on my ikea remote, i saw a few pages with the same instructions but they don't work with current home assist.

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i'm using a sonoff bridge with tasmota

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Record your current firmware version if desired - In the web UI go to Config > Integrations > ZHA > Basic Cluster > Cluster Attributes

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there's no cluster anything under zha

amber gull
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Config Integrations > ZHA > Device > IKEA device > Manage clusters > basic cluster

prisma shell
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oh. thanks

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ah fun zigpy.exceptions.DeliveryError: [0xa233:1:0x0000]: Message send failure

amber gull
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try shaking it

prisma shell
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lol yeah i woke it

amber gull
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an ancient legend states that shaking it will make the fw transfer faster too

prisma shell
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kinda sad there's no update needed

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to change logging settings for zha do I need to restart or is there a reload command I can use

amber gull
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logger.set_level service

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ikea_update_url: http://fw.test.ota.homesmart.ikea.net/feed/version_info.json

prisma shell
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same version

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thanks though

austere patio
prisma shell
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it's been draining battery fast, also when the battery drains i have to repair it

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re-pair

austere patio
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What coordinator are you using?

prisma shell
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sonoff

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been following the bugreport

austere patio
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Ah

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I'm not 100% sure what the exact issue is with that but I believe you should be able to flash a non-affected version of the EZSP firmware to your bridge?

prisma shell
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edited the quirk

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there's multiple issues

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but basically it starts reporting every 6s

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and the battery drains within 24h

austere patio
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Yeah. I think I encountered that same issue with a CC2531

prisma shell
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we'll see tomorrow

golden vessel
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I noticed that ZHA has polling enabled for the ElectricalMeasurement cluster sensors. Shouldn't devices report proactively (and those who don't, have polling done by a quirk)?

gentle flint
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it depends on the devices. Some devices report pro-actively when on. some need polling. Maybe should use custom polling (not HA one) and stop polling the EM cluster if the device sends the updates.

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for $20

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wait, it does have a battery with it, awesome

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Just need to ask tube to print a case for it 🙂

golden vessel
gentle flint
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not really, quirks have nothing to do with it. But per specs the EM cluster does not report attributes, that's why it was implemented as polled

golden vessel
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oh I though that the spec specified that they should have periodic reports for EM

gentle flint
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there're two clusters, which I always confuse. The one polled by HA, specs were saying it should be polled. But in reality, some devices just report on that cluster.

molten linden
glacial basin
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Good morning friends,
Iam having one problem. I am with deconz (conbee) and the sonoff mini zigbee have a problem with the last stable version. It's possible install the beta version non HASSIO? thanks

limpid dawn
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Is there any way to upgrade deconz firmware manually if I'm using HA OS?

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It used to be possible but HA OS no longer allows for that?

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Now it just shows "docker: command not found"

simple sentinel
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When I was dialed into the deconz scene, the story was that the HA addon firmware update feature never worked and if it "did" the chances of it going wrong were 99.99% certain.

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Solution is to update manually on a supported platform

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@limpid dawn

limpid dawn
simple sentinel
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A spare SD card would be the easiest way

limpid dawn
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I used to be able to manually upgrade it from CLI but HA OS doesn't allow for that anymore?

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Can you elaborate?

simple sentinel
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Sure, On a Pi the fastest way to do it would be Raspbian

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BUT that would mean flashing it onto an SD card

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that's where your HAOS is flashed now, I bet

limpid dawn
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Yes

simple sentinel
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So 9/10 times people don't want to have to flash over their HAOS

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In those cases, they find the cheapest SD-card they can get away with, and use that to flash Raspbian and do the firmware upgrade

limpid dawn
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Oh I see...

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So I get a new SD card, flash a Raspbian into it

simple sentinel
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Yes, I had Raspbee 2 in the beginning as well

limpid dawn
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Then keep the raspbee shield installed in the RPI

simple sentinel
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That's the fastest resolution I can see

limpid dawn
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Okay I see now

simple sentinel
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If you had a Conbee you could just move it to your regular computer

limpid dawn
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Yeah...

simple sentinel
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this is one of the reasons I moved to a stick

limpid dawn
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I'm thinking to just buy a conbee

simple sentinel
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but I was dazzled by the pi hat

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cause it is kind of cool

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but reality sets in

limpid dawn
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Yeah at my place it's 40€ vs a new sd card of like 10€ but seems like it will save me the future troubles where I need to upgrade again

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And am I crazy to think they (HA) used to allow for upgrading from CLI?

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Back in 2018 or smt

simple sentinel
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That was before my time, so couldn't say

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I guess they locked stuff down more

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Make HA more of an impenetrable appliance, for reliability-reasons

limpid dawn
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I see, makes sense

wide nimbus
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I’ve got no real investment in any particular tech but want to get started, if you guys were all starting again would you all use zigbee?

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I know it’s a bit of a silly generic question, I’m just struggling to find some kind of “ideal” setup as a newbie

simple sentinel
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I would say it depends on what you mainly have to smartify.

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for me my home was mainly bulbs with regular light switches

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so putting in zigbee bulbs already provides a great mesh for other stuff

wide nimbus
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Just thinking bulbs, plugs and sensors

simple sentinel
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Do you have light switches or dimmer dials?

wide nimbus
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Just normal light switches

simple sentinel
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Then I'd just duct tape the light switches and go full zigbee bulbs

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I know people use z-wave for dimmer switches and such

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but zigbee has been solid for me

wide nimbus
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Yeah, I’ve been using Chinese wifi bulbs (with their app outside of HA) and I’m used to that. Just want to move everything “native” to HA

simple sentinel
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Some people get great mileage out of those too

wide nimbus
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I’ve got a tplink socket switch that works in HA with local traffic and that’s where I want to go

simple sentinel
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Zigbee is great in that you wouldn't have to go chasing down APIs and hacks for every single item you purchase

wide nimbus
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But I’m struggling to easily find lots of products like that, zigbee looks much easier

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Yeah exactly!

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And by the looks of it, a conbee stick is the “best” way of controlling ?

simple sentinel
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That's where people might differ

wide nimbus
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I’m surprised there’s not a hub that’s open/hack-flashed but keep reading conbee

simple sentinel
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Conbee is nice in that deconz have created a closed source near commercial level solution that supports lots of devices

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Going that route is a nice middle-step between the choice of not having to stick with for example Phillips Hue for all things

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and something like zigbee2mqtt

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with lots of possibilities but a few more moving parts to keep track of

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Conbee is also useable in zigbee2mqtt if you should suddenly feel so inclined

wide nimbus
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Do you use a hue hub? I don’t mind going the “full” step 🙂

simple sentinel
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My route in zigbee world was Phillips Hue -> Deconz -> Zigbee2mqtt

true night
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Conbee is nice, but have to create support for new devices and that takes time. Same with zigbee2mqtt really. Both of them work, but i prefer Conbee as seems more stable and easy to use.

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Paairing in a lot of devices fast is way better with z2m

simple sentinel
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Phillips is robust with a decent size company in the background that you can wring your hands at when things go wrong

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but being stuck in their closed system will make you sad at some point

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Plus everything costs a premium

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But I have almost all Phillips Hue bulbs in my system

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cause they are excellent

wide nimbus
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That’s kind of the point, I’d rather google to confirm something works and buy from a big selection of cheap generic zigbee devices. So really just trying to work out the best way of controlling them

simple sentinel
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Deconz is a decent middle of the road solution

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until you find yourself drawn in by the animal magnetism of zigbee2mqtt or ZHA

wide nimbus
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Ok that last sentence is probably what I need to look in to 🙂

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Otherwise I’ll just do something and then do that, and get frustrated I didn’t start there 🙂

simple sentinel
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Thing is when you are on the community developed options, the pace of development can snap your neck

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deconz, being a closed source for profit venture will throw fewer curveballs, imho

wide nimbus
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I imagine if stuff works I can just leave it until I feel like upgrading and having to fiddle

simple sentinel
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Yes, that's what sensible people do. I have automatic updating in my setup, so I'm a maniac

wide nimbus
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Motion sensors and bulbs/switches seems like a simple use case to me, even if it’s fast paced dev!

simple sentinel
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you should take all my statements with a grain of salt 😛

wide nimbus
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I understand that, you’ve been really helpful thanks - it’s much appreciated, going to google more with much more understanding!

simple sentinel
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Tops 🙂 Hope you land on something that brings you joy

remote finch
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Hi All, I have HA running on one RPi3 and Z2M on another RPi3. I have the HA MQTT add in on the HA side, and on the Z2M side, it's discovering my light and says it's published the topic. I've followed the instructionsin Z2M to update the HA config yaml to say discovery: true, and updated on the Z2M side to say homeassistant: true

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I don't understand how discovery works even though I've read everything I can find, definitely noobitis

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Anyone point me where to look? How does the Z2M pi know where to point at the broker on the HA side? Again, I don't know if I understand all the concepts

jolly narwhal
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@remote finch broker connection is done in z2ms config file

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Or possibly webgui

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Never done that

remote finch
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Thanks, actually I could have done it with the yaml on the z2m side it turns out. Had to start with allow anon in the HA side broker, then z2m start logs say it connects to the mqtt broker now having specified the HA address in my z2m yaml

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bonus: I hadn't realised that z2m had a frontend, so that's good, that's working now too, thanks

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Now I assume the light on the z2m side is published to the ha server, but I don't know how to get it to show under devices on the HA side, as it's not listed

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Here is the z2m startup log:

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Oh, don't know how to pasted a text log

simple sentinel
remote finch
simple sentinel
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If you check your MQTT Integration, under Configuration -> Integrations -> MQTT

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Are the entities/devices there?

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(HA side)

remote finch
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Nothing listed as such, but in MQTT configuration I can tell it to listed to a topic, so I pasted:

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homeassistant/light/0x588e81fffed3fc4c/light/config

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now I have a stop listenening option, and the topic entry box is greyed out

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still nothing in devices, but I'm not sure I should expect that

simple sentinel
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For me, MQTT integration lists 34 devices/215 entities (that's z2m plus zwavejs2m)

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Pretty sure that's akin to what you should have if all your loose ends are tied up correctly

remote finch
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I go to configuration (sidebar) -> integrations -> then on the 'MQTT Mosquito broker' tile, hit configure

simple sentinel
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Ah well, that's not necessarily the same thing, maybe

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Or is it

remote finch
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There are now 3 options, MQTT settings, Publish a packet, Listen to a topic

simple sentinel
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hmm

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My flow is somewhat different as the broker is also detached from ha

jolly narwhal
simple sentinel
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Yeah, more like that

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Except no cat at my house

remote finch
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I guess from what I know now, I could have run the broker on the z2m side

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But my setup is going to be one HA, many zigbee routers, so it makes sense to have the broker on the HA side

simple sentinel
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Does it though?

remote finch
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haha you tell me!

simple sentinel
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Having it as a separate service makes things a little more flexible imho

remote finch
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I would say so if my zigbee dongle doesn't have range to cover my house and 30m away my garden home office

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sure, but I would have thought that works if you have say a dedicated mqtt broker that's not on the zigbee gateway?

simple sentinel
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if it's all on the network, what does it matter if it's on pi3one or pi3two

remote finch
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I have ethernet between house and end of garden building

simple sentinel
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plus reboot of your HA won't leave your zigbee routers out to dry

remote finch
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one zigbee router I would imagine won't cover the whole thing well

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so many zigbee routers probably over IP to one mqtt broker, so the question is why have a dedicated PI for that when ha can run the broker? what's the down side?

jolly narwhal
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My cc1352 coordinator covered my whole house in my initial testing

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3 floors and 252m2

simple sentinel
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plus the mesh

jolly narwhal
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Plus outdoor lights

remote finch
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@jolly narwhal my house is 3 floors, and 30m away at the end of the garden is another set of buildings

jolly narwhal
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Yeah, the testing was just with battery devices

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No mesh

simple sentinel
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noice

jolly narwhal
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To check range

remote finch
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I dunno what mesh is, sos

simple sentinel
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your mains powered devices on zigbee will generally extend the range

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they function as routers

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unless they don't

remote finch
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from the zigbee spec is says range is 20m

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I'll try it though as one zigbee gw would be great

jolly narwhal
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You could just add devices on the outside of each building

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It might work fine

remote finch
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I probably read the spec wrong anyway

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hmm rather not have to house pi's on external walls

simple sentinel
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big ups for reading. I just muddled into everything

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not a pi, maybe an outside light

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the bulb would be part of the mesh

remote finch
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I want to go to town with sensors, some will be outside for sure

jolly narwhal
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Every mains powered device you add

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Adds range

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And coverage

remote finch
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Ok now I get it

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you can flash this dongle as a router or what is it, repeater or sommat?

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eureka

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that's the mesh thing, right?

simple sentinel
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you can do that for monster range

jolly narwhal
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Sure, or just use bulbs

simple sentinel
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but all your regular devices on mains power will do it as well

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without flashing

remote finch
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huh? the bulbs act as a hop?

simple sentinel
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yes

remote finch
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wowsers, this is coool

simple sentinel
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it is

remote finch
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friggin awesome

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i had no scooby doo

jolly narwhal
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Mesh

remote finch
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this is like some futuristic self perpetuating monster

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my robots will eventually eat the neighbours' and I will dominate my town by being the Zigbee overlord

simple sentinel
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We all need to do our part to bring skynet into the world

jolly narwhal
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One can only hope

remote finch
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ok I went too far

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ok so it's dongle back into the HA pi then

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Or is it? brain tired now, being called to shops by wife

simple sentinel
remote finch
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doubtful now cos @simple sentinel said have the mqtt broker external

simple sentinel
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see you there ... mooohahahaha

remote finch
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@simple sentinel I do collective ai for a living, actively putting suckers out of work

simple sentinel
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As long as you also euthanize us suckers, you'll get no resistance from me

remote finch
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also run everything in k8s in the cloud ofc

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but back to reality, I just want my friggin cheap lidl bulb to work

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after 3 days of darkness, I have light coming in through the cracks

jolly narwhal
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H8 u h8 u wouldn't d8 u

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K8

remote finch
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hehe

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ok I'm nearly there honest, so run one PI with ha/mqtt broker and z2m / dongle?

simple sentinel
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In truth: whatever floats your boat.
I moved to containers so I will give the deciding vote to someone else

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unless you allow me to phone a friend

remote finch
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I mean why have 2 or 3 pi's? Sounds like one will do, and this is simpler

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I want a pi only network for sure

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not ruling out containers later but don't see the point atm?

simple sentinel
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Well if keeping one, I would personally migrate to docker containers for HA, MQTT and z2m, just cause that makes it easier to move once you feel you need more power than pi can provide

remote finch
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in other words, no idea what makes my boat float atm

simple sentinel
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they say it happens for everyone at some point

remote finch
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I see what you mean

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I really like that approach all of a sudden

simple sentinel
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My path was Pi -> 2x Pi's -> Old mac mini

remote finch
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OK so bringing it back though, and I appreciate you have both helped a lot, but pushing my luck...

simple sentinel
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So if you choose something portable, you will make things easier down the road

remote finch
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Right now I have mqtt client on the z2m pi, and ha /broker on the other, and in theory, the z2m has connected to the ha mqtt broker

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I woulda thought it would have worked out what devices were published by the z2m client

remote finch
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for now I need my hello world moment, and if I get it, the torture of shopping will be greatly alieviated

simple sentinel
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This is my worldview on the subject:
HA --- MQTT Integration --- Broker --- z2m

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Broker and z2m should be able to be "anywhere"

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MQTT Integration gets discovery information from the broker

remote finch
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so if my client has pushed to the broker, I'm not clear why ha can't see devices

simple sentinel
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If the broker has the info, which you could confirm by way of MQTT Explorer or the like

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then I would have a look at how the Integration is set up

remote finch
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oh is that another add in?

simple sentinel
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That's a client for your computer

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just to get some outside verification

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of whats on the broker

remote finch
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OIC

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On the client side (z2m) we see:

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Connected to MQTT server

simple sentinel
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indeed

remote finch
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then a bunch of:

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MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2m.....

simple sentinel
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all seems promising enough

remote finch
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that shows that ha should know about devices no?

simple sentinel
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I'll show you what my mqtt looks like in a mom

remote finch
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Ok thanks for your suggestions, sadly I must succumb to wife pressure to abandon for now

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In the spirit of skynet, "I'll be back"

simple sentinel
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you'll note in addition to the zigbee2mqtt topic I have a big-ol homeassistant one as well

simple sentinel
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Aw, you had that too

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well, for my money I would try to do a reconfigure of your MQTT Integration when you get back @remote finch

remote finch
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Thanks @simple sentinel , I would be happy to try that

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just going to give mqtt explorer a whirl

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confirms I guess why no dice on the topics. So it seems the client in z2m is connecting to the mqtt broker on the HA pi, but not pushing those topics?

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192.168.0.114 is my HA Pi

remote finch
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But now if I point mqtt explorer at 192.168.0.234, which is the z2m RPi it sees all the topics

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but i thought the z2m pi was acting as a client because I specified the HA IP as the server in the z2m yaml

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Maybe I need to uninstall the mqtt add in within HA?

sour shadow
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The add-on is your MQTT broker

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You need a broker for MQTT to work

gloomy pivot
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can i use zha AND z2m with the same stick at the same time? i have a ZZH

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working on a blueprint, but would like to support both

simple sentinel
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Did you maybe "inadvertently" setup a second mqtt broker on the z2m pi? @remote finch

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Almost seems that way, point the MQTT integration at *.234 and see what happens

gloomy pivot
remote finch
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The z2m comes with a broker

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I pointed the z2m at the ha ip

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Says connected in the start logs

gloomy pivot
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and have it currently working with z2m, but want to let it also support zha (via events), so that I can release it for anyone to use

sour shadow
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Z2M doesn't come with a broker

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The broker is your MQTT "server", typically Mosquitto

remote finch
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I thought it defaulted to 0.0.0.0 in the config so maybe i was assumimg

gloomy pivot
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tricky bit is testing it, as everything is connected via z2m on my ZZH, so do i basically need to stop z2m and then use zha then?

sour shadow
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You can install a broker wherever you want, but you only want one, or things won't communicate

sour shadow
gloomy pivot
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will i need to repair the devices after starting it with zha?

sour shadow
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No idea

gloomy pivot
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ok

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just not same time

remote finch
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sorry sorry, my bad. I was even more stupid than now when setting up, I remember now

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part of the z2m docs says you need a mosquito, so I duly set one up on the z2m pi

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but in the z2m config yaml, I definitely pointed it at the HA IP

sour shadow
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Then the broker on the Z2M Pi isn't in use

simple sentinel
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"Inadvertent" mqtt broker, it happens 🙂

remote finch
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somehow the broker I installed on the z2m pi has discovered all the devices though?

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2 secs will show you

sour shadow
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Then you've done something to cause that 😄

austere patio
gloomy pivot
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so i need to remove them from z2m, stop z2m, then pair them to zha?

austere patio
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No, just reboot the devices while ZHA is running

remote finch
gloomy pivot
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oh ok, and it'll just find them?

simple sentinel
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Provided the mqtt broker on your z2m pi has everything you need, I would just use that @remote finch

austere patio
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It's not recommended though, since ZHA and Z2M may request attribute reporting with different settings

gloomy pivot
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fair enough

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so two different blueprints probably best in this case?

remote finch
gloomy pivot
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the original request (and my use case) were for z2m, so that seems satisfactory

sour shadow
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Maybe you bridged them

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Maybe you've done something else, but if you're running multiple brokers you need to sort that out

remote finch
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I'm happy to use the z2m mosquito as the broker, so as I said, should I uninstall the mosquito on HA? and how do I then point HA at the broker on the z2m pi?

simple sentinel
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Well if your brokers are somehow bridged, you will find out soon enough if something explodes after you remove the addon

sour shadow
remote finch
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this is all lab stuff so there is nothing to break yet!

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yet to dim bulb 1

sour shadow
simple sentinel
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mqtt over to 234, and reconfigure that configuration yaml for z2m for good measure

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good times will be had by all

remote finch
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Now I see what's going on

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HA installs the integration when you add the mosquito add on

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I removed the mosquito add on

sour shadow
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Well, the Supervisor does that for you, but yes

remote finch
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So then, I restarted z2m having reverted the broker ip to localhost

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then I reconfigured the mqtt integration to point at the z2m IP

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then... wait for it, don't get excited

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Mosquitto broker
1 device and 2 entities

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ta da

simple sentinel
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I'm plenty excited

remote finch
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thanks all

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You can't see it now but i'm dancing. Well inside anyway

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don't want to freak out the kids

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This is that matrix moment..."I know mqtt"

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Now Tinkerer says 'show me' and smears my butt all over the discord dojo

simple sentinel
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Getting buy-in to your smart home project from the wife and kids is your main challenge

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Or so I've been led to believe

remote finch
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nah, I do what the HELL I want in this house. I'm the MAN

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...as long as she doesn't find out 😄

simple sentinel
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Naturally 😉

wide nimbus
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Approval to buy is fine, it’s guilt from all the rubbish she constantly buys

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Approval to spend time playing is the problem

remote finch
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@wide nimbusIt's wiser to ask forgiveness than permission

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naturally I'm supposed to be doing DIY, but she's out

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I'll slap some cement on the walls just before she gets back and she'll be super impressed

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OOh look, it's green. Ooh look, it's magenta. Ooh look..Ok back to DIY, more fun later

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Muchos gracias once again to all, especially @simple sentinel 👍

simple sentinel
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Denada senior, or how they say 🙂

bright field
sour shadow
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No, they're not the same

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Integrations are how HA talks to other things

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deCONZ is one of those "other things"

bright field
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Ok, but what I'm wondering is the devices declared compatible with deCONZ by dresden, are they also compatible on HA?

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can we say then that the integration of HA communicates with the plugin?

sour shadow
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Well, the devices communicate with deCONZ

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HA is irrelevant at that point

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HA talks with deCONZ, not the devices

bright field
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i see!

sour shadow
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Yes

bright field
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thanks, now it is much clearer to me, I will just have to wait for the stable release to integrate some devices that have been added recently ...

lean geyser
#

Okay, so I've been looking for some cheap motion sensors and came upon a esp8266 esp01-s, I think this would work fine, but our wifi network would probably choke up. So now I'm looking for some chinese zigbee motion sensor, but wondering if I really need a bridge, or can just buy a zigbee stick. And would this also work with Philips Hue motion sensors?

sour shadow
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The pinned messages are a really good read 😛

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Hell, the channel topics are too 😉

austere patio
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A bridge is just a stick and a crappy computer in a box

sour shadow
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So, pick one of the three direct options listed, pick your stick, pick a motion sensor

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Personally, if you're thinking cheap then Hue isn't an option

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Cheap is Xiaomi

lean geyser
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Alright will have a look at the pinned messages first

brave cedar
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hey all, what you are all using as coordinator? I'm currently using a CC2531 on a odroid N2. But since the latest 3 updates the ZHA is quite unstable.
A poweroff is needed to build up the mesh correctly. (the mesh has multiple routers and even a CC2531 as router on the top floor).
As the log files don't really give any leadway to the issue I'm looking in maybe replacing my coordinator to a more stable then a CC2531 that I've flashed myself

sour shadow
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I run a Zig-A-Zig-Ah!

lean geyser
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Are you running motion sensors?

sour shadow
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Yup

lean geyser
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which one if I may ask?

austere patio
sour shadow
austere patio
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When you say "build up the mesh correctly", do you mean that some devices are unreachable? Or absolutely nothing is functional?

brave cedar
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@austere patio sure I'll enable debug again and give it a while.

austere patio
#

Other than the CC2531 lockup bug with Z-Stack Home 1.2 (that can't be fixed by a simple HA restart) and expected concurrency limitations, the CC2531 should at least be functional

remote finch
#

Does anyone have any suggestions for unpairing the livarno/lidl bulbs? The three times on and off trick isn't working here

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Wanting to move over from the Tuya/Livarno zigbee hub to my now working ha+z2n setup

lean geyser
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Anyone any experience with sonoff motion sensors?

sour shadow
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Yes - search the channel history 😉

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General feedback seems to be 👎

lean geyser
remote finch
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I managed to unpair by removing from the tuya app

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Any other lidl bulb users here? Initial messing seems to highlight a couple of issues. Colour change doesn't kick in until I go to effect and select an effect

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then changing the colour wheel position puts the bulb back to white mode

long mortar
#

Was anyone able to get the Linkind button to pair with ZHA? The plug paired with no problem but I can't seem to get the button to pair

lean geyser
#

@sour shadow Do you now what the detecting a3gle is of the konke devices? Can't find anything specific online

sour shadow
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No idea, other than works for me

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I have it stuck on the ceiling, just inside the office door, and it covers the entrance and where I normally sit very well

lean geyser
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Alright, cuz it's a whole new world for me 😄

#

so I need that and then a zigbee stick connected to my rpi

sour shadow
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Well, that, and the integrations and the right stick for that integration

lean geyser
#

yea imma use zigbee2mqtt I think, bc ive seen alot of people use it

sour shadow
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Works well, buy the Zig-A-Zig-Ah!, one of the LaunchXL boards, or the Slaesh stick

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If you buy the last one, be aware that he's well know for lacking any communication

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If you have issues, you'll be on an uphill struggle

lean geyser
#

yea read the google doc file of the sticks and the Zhh looked good

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alright thanks for the help already!

frail widget
#

I amhaving the same issue with the same guy. No response, no updates or information. Many people having the same problem with him. I wish i saw the reviews prior placing the order. IDK how tindie keeping him on the their website!!!

fading moth
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I tried to reach him on multiple e-mails addresses & telegram, but no response whatsoever

sour shadow
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Sadly he's well known for that, but if you buy direct you may not ever realise

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He did improve for a while, but it looks like he's back to having delivery/shipping issues

jolly narwhal
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Cc1352p2

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Is all I have to say

austere patio
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It's all you ever say 😆

sour shadow
spice kelp
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it just came back in stock

sour shadow
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Yeah, it's popular 😄

austere patio
frail widget
#

guys I am planning to ZZH cc2652R stick from tindie for my HA on RPi4 with z2m. Is it plug and play? or I need to buy a debug adapter and flash it?

austere patio
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You do need to flash it but that is done over serial, you just plug it in while holding the button and run a command

frail widget
#

So this debug kit (A little adapter board that converts the zzh debug header to the standard 10-pin Cortex Debug Connector. You might need this if you are planning on using JTAG. Requires soldering.) is not needed?

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This is willbe my first time using cc2652R

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I want to make sure

austere patio
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No, it's not

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Unless you really break it by disabling the bootloader

frail widget
#

Thanks 🙂

analog ember
#

What button actions does an aqara button (the wireless one) support when using ZHA?

austere patio
#

The round one or the squircular one?

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Square-ish one is short press and double/triple/quadruple press

analog ember
austere patio
#

You may have to get the timing right or click it a bunch of times

#

I believe everything past 4 presses will be reported as a quadruple press

analog ember
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Hmm, seems like the one on the blakadder site is for the device with ID lumi.sensor_switch.aq2, seems like I have "lumi.sensor_switch.aq3

lean geyser
#

On the konke site, this is placed at the bottom of the product, but this is achieveble with any zigbee stick right?
Note: This item needs to work with Konke Kit Pro HUB

mellow geode
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Motion sensor, door sensor, temp sensor work with ZHA (probably also Z2M) -- I didn't try any other Konke products

lean geyser
#

alright

austere patio
#

Enabling ZHA debug logging will show you exactly what the device itself reports

analog ember
austere patio
#

I'm basing that only on my aq2 model, I guess that isn't applicable to your aq3

analog ember
#

Yea I see

#

I'll be fine with 2 actions

#

I've used it with z2m before, it never reported triple or quadruple presses

#

So the aq3 model is probably different

lean geyser
#

Could you make ur own motion sensor with a PIR sensor an some kind of zigbee radio

sour shadow
#

In theory, yes

wraith dew
#

anyone know of any good inexpensive zigbee remotes.. preferably ones i can dock on the wall

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i have a bunch of EcoSmart zigbee dimmable bulbs (SmartThings) but you turn them off at the switch they're no longer smart.. i was hoping to change the switch with a remote or zigbee light switch

sour shadow
lean geyser
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You need a stick on a raspberry pi right? it's not included or anything? xD

sour shadow
#

Zigbee is a radio protocol... you need radio hardware for it

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Just like you do for Bluetooth, WiFi, etc

obsidian sandalBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

☝️

wraith dew
#

@sour shadow .. thanks reading now

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both the bot post and the URL

lean geyser
sour shadow
#

Such is life

lean geyser
#

cuz maybe it's better to get a 10€ more expensive philips bridge

sour shadow
#

Not even close to the same

#

I mean, sure, go for the expensive Hue range and limit yourself if that's what you want

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I like being able to use the significantly cheaper stuff from Ikea, Xiaomi, and more

lean geyser
#

yea true true, the hue is only compatible with other hue products right

wraith dew
#

@sour shadow HA should be able to read those switches as inputs, right?

sour shadow
#

I'd expect so

wraith dew
#

Hue is a really good ecosystem for people who aren't as tech-savvy as HA users

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they cost more, they're limiting.. but for people like my parents they're great

sour shadow
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Yeah, if you just want smart lights then it's hard to beat - and TBH their lights are apparently the best anyway

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But, if you want more, it's a limited ecosystem

wraith dew
#

yea it's not my thing but i respect the product line

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Lutron Caséta is great too

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these are my favorite bulbs though

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$5 tunable/dimmable zigbee bulbs from Home Depot ❤️

austere patio
#

Those bulbs run super hot too, perfect for winter heating

wraith dew
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lmao

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nah they're not hot

austere patio
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If you keep them at like 60-80% brightness they don't get too bad

wraith dew
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i mean any time i've unscrewed them i never felt it overly hot

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i think it's pretty hard for LED light to get really hot

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the zigbee2mqtt.io site should throw up some affiliate links fo the products they recommend

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i dunno why these open-source type guys hate making money so much lol

lean geyser
#

Does 'CC2530' in the title mean it's a zigbee dongle for recieving the protocol or is that nog a 100% certaint

austere patio
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CC2530 is a Zigbee (+ other stuff) SoC by Texas Instruments

lean geyser
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so it should work?

austere patio
#

What are you trying to do with a CC2530?

lean geyser
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because it doesn't have a normal usb like the other sticks I saw

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couple with my rpi, to recieve the zigmee protocal

obsidian sandalBOT
#

The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '~cc253x' was invoked by: Tinkerer
lean geyser
#

oh

sour shadow
#

As mentioned before, #1 is pick your Zigbee integration

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Do that first

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Do not pick a stick first 😉

austere patio
#

Unless you're planning on building a network with mostly sensors, the CC2530 isn't going to work well

lean geyser
#

oh okay

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shit this is hard

lean geyser
obsidian sandalBOT
#

@lean geyser There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

☝️

#

Again

austere patio
#

Conbee works-ish with everything, TI sticks work well with everything but deconz, SiLabs sticks work well with ZHA and alpha support was added a few days ago to Z2M

sour shadow
#

Mostly you'll want ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT IMO

lean geyser
#

yea I was gonna use Zigbee2MQTT

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bc my home assistant runs in docker

sour shadow
#

Then use one of their recommended sticks, as also previously mentioned, or the LaunchXL boards

austere patio
#

Or buy a CC2531 stick and then buy one of those same boards a month later

sour shadow
#

The CC2531 makes an ok router

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If you get one with an antenna it makes a better one

lean geyser
#

yea I haven't found a CC2531 with antenna I think

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wait nvm

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ali has my back

austere patio
#

For the same price you can get a bulb or a socket or something instead of a bare PCB with a USB on it

lean geyser
#

imma do the slaesh then, cuz it seems to be the best to buy here from belgium

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since the one from the UK will probably add extra import taxes

sour shadow
#

Just keep in mind that you'll order it, and hear nothing more until it eventually arrives

lean geyser
#

the delivery is tracked though?

sour shadow
#

Sure, but you won't get the tracking code

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Search here and in other Discords/forums for how people feel

lean geyser
#

yea ive read some

simple sentinel
#

On the other hand, I got a bag of Haribos with my sticks

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just to balance out the picture

sour shadow
#

Yeah, mine did turn up, it was just a surprise

simple sentinel
#

haha

sour shadow
#

Where with the ZZH the comms, both times, were excellent

lean geyser
#

yea imma send a message asking about if he knows theres taxes or not

woeful sentinel
#

FYI the 2021.3.2 update messed up my ZZH! usb stick. Had to reboot and remove and re-insert the usb receiver

austere patio
#

ZHA or Z2M?

woeful sentinel
#

Z2M

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Works after that though

simple sentinel
#

For me the lights and things were still controllable in z2m frontend, but I had to restart z2m for it to communicate properly with HA

woeful sentinel
#

The z2m front end gave me time outs until I re plugged

stone halo
#

Are there any other ZigBee addressable RGB strips other than the hue play gradients?

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I mean wled always works but I haven't found any others

old kernel
#

good day!
i found a battery for an old iris motion sensor i had lying around, so far can't get it to pair. anyone come across one before? any special tricks?

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ZHA

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(with a conbee2 stick)

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hmm "The MOT501 is the first generation and does not work with SmartThings" that's not a good sign...

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and yet "Until now, the original, first-generation Iris devices have been proprietary and were only compatible with the Iris platform. Hubitat announced its Hubitat Elevation home automation platform now supports Iris first-generation devices, along with other Iris Zigbee devices."

austere patio
#

Could be one of those devices that only joins networks on a specific channel

old kernel
#

it apparently runs the AlertMe protocol, instead of Zigbee HA

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pre ZHA 1.2

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" i was trying to use the v1 devices on channel 20 and they just were not working right at all "
sounds like you're right about channel too though... how do i change channels in ZHA without blowing up my network?

austere patio
#

It's not super easy

old kernel
#

does not seem worth it

austere patio
#

Not even sure if it's possible through the UI

golden vessel
#

any sugestions for a gate module? It needs to "pulse" a 24v contact, so it should automatically turn off

golden vessel
#

I guess I could use the on_with_timed_off command for the pulse part. now onto finding a 24v relay

mellow geode
#

A couple of days ago, I manually rejoined a "Konke door sensor" because I installed a new router (Philips Hue Zigbee 3.0 bulb) in the room it's now.
Previously, it was still connected to some IKEA plug. Now, a couple of days later, the end device shows being connected to both the bulb and the IKEA plug.
It's not really a huge issue, I think. But I do wonder if it's an issue with the IKEA plug or the coordinator perhaps? I guess I could try power-cycling the IKEA plug and see if it goes away.
(Using ZZH! with zigpy_znp/ZHA)

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Just wondering, if anybody had similar experiences

golden vessel
indigo sigil
#

Hi, does anyone here flashed their CC2531 with downloader cable?

I am having issue regarding the chipid returning ID = 0000

I had tried lots of things search through forums and changing the cable ports but unfortunately, i doesn't help

tepid cliff
#

I'm struggling with my Zigbee, using a Conbee II.
I have a light group consisting of three IKEA Color bulbs that responds to commands very poorly. The initial click never works, but maybe the second. It's like I have to "wake it up" with the first.
The bulbs respond a bit better by themselves, but not significantly. I've tried deConz and ZHA, both as a Light Group in Deconz and in HA, but no luck. Is it just the bulbs that are messed up?

near echo
indigo sigil
near echo
#

by downloader cable you mean the cable combo that you get or you have soldered the pins on CC2531

indigo sigil
near echo
#

thats teh better way since the incorrect soldering is not the problem here. can PM that snapshot of wires conencted to RPi?

indigo sigil
#

sure i'll dm you the picture

dawn sequoia
#

What should a Cc1352p2 cost? seeing lots at around 60 dollars

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any tips where to pick up in EU, greatly appreciated

jolly narwhal
#

49 from ti

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And I think I paid 5 in shipping to Norway

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Delivered in three days

dawn sequoia
#

direct from ti?

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one of those?

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no, LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-2

wide nimbus
#

Wish I’d seen that yesterday before I bought a zzh (I think, all the zigbee hardware I’ve [n]ever used is in the post)

dawn sequoia
#

Oh, you were one of the people who stole a zzh from me

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noted....

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🤣

bright lava
#

How do people typically deal w wifi failure? I'm using zigbee2mqtt, is there still a way to control zigbee lights if my wifi or mqtt is down? Like a hardware remote or bluetooth to zigbee gateway?

dawn sequoia
#

I guess you are pretty stuffed if your mqtt goes down

#

I would go back to traditional wall switches at a push

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I am not sure if you can HA it, with double brokers and double cards though?

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seems overkill?

bright lava
#

Yeah.. thx. I'm more worried about if my wifi router breaks but I guess physical switches are the way to go

wide nimbus
#

Sorry Michelle, out of stock already? I was pretty quick after getting the “register interest email”

stone halo
#

glad i ordered a slaesh stick too tbh

wide nimbus
#

Like I hinted, I’m only just dipping toe into the protocol. I don’t really care about size/connection/setup. Just looks like a little more money for a slightly stronger signal

stone halo
#

slaesh sticks are still in stock

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whats better between slaesh and zzh's

wide nimbus
#

There was a few posts here recently saying the delivery from that guy is unreliable (just saying what I read, no experience myself)

stone halo
#

well yes his service is a little unreliable haha

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mine will be shipped today afaik

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hardware wise any differenece?

dusty quartz
dawn sequoia
wide nimbus
#

Although depending on your circumstances, you might need the stick before you can have your house flashing all the lights and setting the smoke alarms off when the “in stock” Mail comes in...

shut pagoda
#

Seems better yell out next time, i wasn't aware they produce so little and they are gone so fast, both slaesh and zzh were on waiting list for weeks

dawn sequoia
#

Just annoyed that I missed it

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Want 1 for me and 1 for parents, easiest to deal with, when there are 2 identical systems

summer thicket
sour shadow
dawn sequoia
#

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

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@sour shadow please delete that so it increases my chances of buying 2

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🤣

sour shadow
silent lintel
#

Is removing a Z2M sensor as simple as clicking the trash can icon in the add-on?

sour shadow
#

Well, you also need to wake the sensor so it knows it should remove itself

silent lintel
#

I assumed it was already awake, is that not the case? Its a temp/humidity aqara sensor

sour shadow
#

Battery powered sensors spend 99.999999999999999999% of their life asleep 😉

#

You wake it the same way you pair it

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(mostly)

#

Many will have a button you can push

silent lintel
#

this does have a button, yes

sour shadow
#

Then push the button so that it wakes

silent lintel
#

I think that worked!

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it is gone!

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Thank you, Tinkerer!

austere patio
# stone halo whats better between slaesh and zzh's

Better usb-serial chip that has a manufacturer and model ID instead of identifying itself as every CH340 does, indistinguishable from every other cheap Arduino and ESP8266 dev board. You can enter the bootloader by toggling pins in software, no need to push buttons while plugging it in.

sour shadow
#

IMO that lack of button push is great

austere patio
#

USB C female options as well, dunno if they ever sold

#

Hardware wise it's awesome. Too bad with the shipping and responsiveness stuff...

sour shadow
#

Yeah.... if we could get the comms of Electromah and the chip choice of Slaesh...

austere patio
#

Though the toggling thing makes it not plug and play for scripting, as you can't just plug it in and write data to it over serial. Gotta toggle the pins first. I don't think I've encountered a device like that.

silent lintel
#

So what I am hearing is Slaesh > ZZH ?

sour shadow
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For the convenience of flashing firmware, yes

silent lintel
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gotcha, I got my ZZH and still havent even opened it up. The idea of inconvenience gives me anxiety

sour shadow
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Eh, if you have at least one working hand it's not a big deal, just fiddly

austere patio
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What inconvenience?

silent lintel
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Shoot, if there is none i'll get started today, right now!

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Oh i remember what the inconvenience was. It's that I thought I had to re-pair all my devices. Is this not true?

austere patio
#

If you're moving from another TI stick there is a way to migrate

silent lintel
#

i currently use the CC2351 coordinator with another one as a router

austere patio
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If you want to try it out, PM me. I'm looking for testers.

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If it doesn't work the worst that will happen is that you will have to re-join all your devices

silent lintel
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gotcha

austere patio
#

But at least one other person has migrated their CC2531 network with it so it should work

silent lintel
#

sounds good!

analog ember
#

Is there a difference in performance when using ZHA (with tasmota) on a sonoff zbbridge or running ZHA on a zzh! stick?

austere patio
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If your WiFi is excellent, not really

analog ember
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It gladly is so that's not an issue, I currently run z2m on the zzh! stick but am moving over to ZHA, currently running on the zbbridge, because it seems to be a lot more stable (for me). Was wondering if it's worth it to migrate it to the zzh! stick once I moved all the devices from z2m.

quick hare
spice kelp
sour shadow
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Once or twice a year, maybe...

stone halo
austere patio
#

The zzh's CH340 is the cheapest USB-serial chip you can buy and it has no EEPROM. It just says it's a "CH340" with no serial number or manufacturer. Every cheap Arduino and NodeMCU kit uses it so if you have any of those plugged into your server, you can't tell them apart except by port number

stone halo
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oooooh

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has anyones slaesh have been shipped yet?

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this is where omar shines above slaesh, communitcation haha

mystic quest
#

Does anyone have recommendations for uk radiator valves?

unborn compass
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I waited for my slaesh for like 3 months last year to be shipped to US and never heard back about it so went with zzh

dawn sequoia
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@sour shadow where did you see it would be back in stock in a week?

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If that is the case I might as well wait

molten linden
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@dawn sequoia he posted on Twitter he’s be releasing in batches as to not get overwhelmed with shipping.

dawn sequoia
#

Aha! Najs

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I will keep a look out then so you scoundrils don't take my zzh

stone halo
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Slaesh started shipping

stone halo
molten linden
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as is every non corporate giant 😉

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myself included as I have my own devices sold out right now

stone halo
molten linden
#

ethernet to serial gateways with cc2652p2 or efr32 module and standalone routers based on cc2652p2

stone halo
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Those are epic, damn they look better than the mainstream sticks!

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Would this just be plugged into your router and communicate to a pi via that?

molten linden
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yup, they just create and ip-to-serial bridge - zha and z2m talk to them out of the box

sour shadow
#

They do look "slightly" nice

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I don't need a fourth coordinator though. Really. I mean, I don't think I do... 🤔

stone halo
#

Also you should definitely make a PoweroverEthernet variant

molten linden
#

it has the 20db power amplifier built in, it's essentially the same as the giant TI launchpad PA variant.

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PoE would add greatly to the cost for me. also they wouldn't be as pretty. a PoE splitter for ethernet and micro USB is not as pretty either but much more economical

stone halo
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I'll look into it, I'll be doing some projects for my university around IoT design so having a big boy router on campus might be a good thing

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Tho for my own room I'll be fine with some router lamps and a smaller coordinator haha

austere patio
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Second CC2531 user migrated to a ZZH, this time with Z2M!

molten linden
#

nice @austere patio

austere patio
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Thanks @silent lintel for helping me out with the live debugging

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As usual, only a little breakage

silent lintel
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The honor was all mine!

molten linden
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turning into a weekend ritual for puddy to help migrate someone off CC2531

stone halo
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It's that I'll start off with a cc2652, otherwise it would've been my turn next week

austere patio
#

You can do that migration as well, though it's more of an NVRAM dump for newer stuff

stone halo
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It's more that I don't have an existing network haha

austere patio
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Oh that's even easier 😆

stone halo
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I'm thinking of starting of with 2 Lidl smart home bulbs, and adding Philips play bars afterwards

hardy crane
#

Has anyone seen any ready to buy modules for temperature but with an external temperature probe? I'm interested in e.g. measuring temperature of water coming off solar panels. But all temperature devices I've seen are for ambient temperature of a space

mighty river
#

Hi guys,
Does anyone have advice for me?
I have installed the Mosquitto broker and now want to enter the user name and password in the configuration, but the user names entered in the YAML are always deleted when I save..

obsidian sandalBOT
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Rather than putting sensitive information (passwords, locations, etc) into your configuration, you can store them in secrets to make sharing easier.

Command '~secrets' was invoked by: Tinkerer
mellow geode
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Does anyone know what chip the Hue ZLL lights feature? (The older lights which do not report attributes)

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Although my network now mostly consists of Zigbee 3.0 lights/plugs, I still have some "Hue Calla" lights outside which still are ZLL (and also run older firmware).

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Sometimes they drop out of the network for a couple of hours

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However, they still respond to multicast (ZHA groups) perfectly.

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And they also come back every time, but it takes a couple of hours.

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(ZHA, ZZH)

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If I recall correctly, they also come back when rebooting Home Assistant

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Getting a [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] Request failed (Unsuccessful request status code: <Status.MAC_NO_ACK: 233>), retry attempt 2 of 5 when trying to read attributes of the light that’s only responding to multicasts.

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Well, the light just came back. It was a 19 minute "dropout" (only responding to multicasts)

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I've had this happen multiple times and the lights are all "well connected". So, I'm still not sure what the underlying issue is

austere patio
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Which lights are these?

mellow geode
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LCF002 (Philips Hue Calla)

austere patio
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Ah, right

mellow geode
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Also had this happen with the older E27 LCT010 Hue lights all running with sw_build_id: 1.50.2_r30933

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This doesn't happen (or didn't yet) with the newer Hue "Bluetooth" lights (they feature a newer chip I think, much newer firmware 1.76.xx and also report attributes properly). (They also use the ZHA profile instead of the ZLL profile and report zcl_version:2 instead of 1)

austere patio
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I don't seem to have any firmwares for them

mellow geode
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Ah, one second

austere patio
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Or at least I can't match up the model info to the firmware names or they're encrypted

mellow geode
austere patio
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Oh no Hue what did you do this time

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For your protection it has been encrypted

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But has 34 undocumented subelements. Thankfully it's still an OTA image and is parsed/serialized properly.

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No clue what chip it has, sorry

mellow geode
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Huh, okay.

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Thanks!

austere patio
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If you're curious there's always 🔨

mellow geode
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Let's see if I can find some pictures first haha

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Ah, apparently the older ZLL bulbs feature an "ATmega2564"

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and the newer ZHA (Z3) bulbs feature a "Silicon Labs EFR32MG13"

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Not sure this helps me tracking down the issue, but at least this time, the Silabs chip/bulbs work better

austere patio
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They must be the ones that take the sbl-ota images

mellow geode
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Ah, I think the sbl-ota images belong to the dimmer switches, buttons and motion sensors(?)

austere patio
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These are the ones I know of that sound lamp-ish:

ConnectedLamp-Atmel_0104_5.130.1.30000_0012.sbl-ota
LivCol_0103_5.127.1.26581_0012.sbl-ota
LivingColors-Target_0108_5.130.1.30000_0012.sbl-ota
WhiteLamp-Atmel-Target_0105_5.130.1.30000_0012.sbl-ota
ModuLum-ATmega_010B_5.130.1.30000_0012.sbl-ota
TI_0100_5.127.1.26581_0012.sbl-ota
mellow geode
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Mhm, you’re right. At least the LivingColors are "pre-hue"

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I guess sbl-ota images are end devices and older lights then

austere patio
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Yeah, they seem to be based on the 8-bit Atmel Zigbee chips

mellow geode
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I guess I'll wait and see if they release their outdoor products with Bluetooth (so new Silabs chips) before buying more lol

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At least the issue seems to occur less often than my IKEA lights crashing (and the Hue ones come back)

silent lintel
#

In Z2M can I rename 2 devices so that they will have the same friendly name? I.e An Aqara temp/humidity sensor friendly named dining_room, and a Philips hue light friendly named dining_room ?

sour shadow
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Never tried, but ... probably not

silent lintel
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i thought it was a dumb q

sour shadow
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Well, the base entity will be fine, but there's also sensors for things like the LQI...

silent lintel
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oh yea!

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Right so in HA the Aqara would get different sensors for things like humidity and temp so it would be sensor.dining_room_humidity and not just dining_room

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So does that mean it will work?

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ah why mess with it when I can just give it a different name

verbal shale
#

zha zigbee groups dont work at all ?

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i'm trying to bind my hue dimmer to a group of lights, and it does nothing :S

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when I click do bind it gave this on zha console

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64EF21A92A2ADE9740964BADBD5593206C7E
47EFA1
A92A2A217D5E7E
8520DD7E
75EC21A9602A15F15A944A04AA5592099D4E27EEABC12240D8DF618874693FA6EDCDDF6D8F86E17E
50ECA1A9602A150BC37A7E
8610BE7E
06ED21A9512A43D67E
61EDA1A9512A09B77E
87009F7EE

molten linden
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Hue dimmer is “troublesome” I think it binds to the coordinator by default and it can only bind to one thing so to bind to groups or another device it has to be unbound from the coordinator.

bleak cave
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Howdie folks! I'm not having a good time with IKEA Tradfri switches (both the on/off and the five button remote type). Every time the battery is replaced, it is immensely difficult to get them to pair again with my coordinator (CC2652P2 using ZHA). I am always hopeful that simply replacing the battery will be sufficient, but that's not the case. I always have to run through a full re-pairing procedure after. Sometimes I have to do that many times until the device and all its clusters are fully recognized by the coordinator. I don't seem to be having the same struggles with other manufacturer's Zigbee devices. Is this just a me-problem? 🙂

indigo sigil
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Hello guys, i have a Zemismart Motor Blinders with me that connect using zigbee. However once i connect it with HomeAssistant, how do i control it? Couldn't find any forum talking about this. Does anyone tried this out?. By the way. I'm using CC2531 for my zigbee connection. Had the other things work but how do i control the Zemismart Motor blinders tho?

near echo
mellow geode
ivory hound
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i've setup for testing proposes zigbee2mqtt with all the stuff, added some sensors etc, wanted to ask some stuff

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  1. i think i have a delay of 1s or a bit more for all actions reports
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ive compared zha and z2mqtt and zha seem way faster

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anyone know why?

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z2mqtt, mqtt broker and ha are all on the same host

jolly narwhal
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I have no delays

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So... What coordinator? How big is the network?

ivory hound
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this is why i ask, from what i hear they should be the same as fast go

sour shadow
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I have Z2M on one host, MQTT on another, and HA on a third. I don't get delays

ivory hound
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coordinator is a conbee2 on z2mqtt

sour shadow
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Even on a CC2531 I see near instant responses 😉

ivory hound
#

yah this is why i want to figure this out

sour shadow
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Point MQTT Explorer at your broker, see if that gets the message when the action happens, or if that's delayed

jolly narwhal
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And watch the z2m console

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See where the delay happens

ivory hound
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delay i think happens before reaches mqtt broker

sour shadow
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Well, doing the above will tell you 😉

ivory hound
#

yah definitely delay is happening before reaching mqtt broker

sour shadow
#

Then it's down to the host you're running Z2M on, in some way

#

Maybe that's underpowered, maybe it has network issues, maybe there's a problem with the stick/mesh

ivory hound
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they are all docker containers on same nuc

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clearly not underpowered

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load average is very low on that linux

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maybe is the way i configure it

jolly narwhal
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Then it might be conbee

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Isn't that still experimental?

ivory hound
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it is posible

jolly narwhal
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Channel 11, isn't that very overlapping@

ivory hound
#

i've tryed 15, 25

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and is ... 🙂 let's say not very good

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some devices not even pairing

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i've scaned channels with bellows and 11 is fine

sour shadow
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I'd suspect the Conbee personally

jolly narwhal
ivory hound
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yah is very posible, tbh i had problems with that one from day 1

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i think i'll buy a proper coordinator and i'll burn the conbee II and forget it ever existed

jolly narwhal
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CC1352P2 yes

ivory hound
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checking

thorny phoenix
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CCCP is better

jolly narwhal
#

waaat

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out of stock

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I have recommended it to too many users

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The -4 should be good too, but only half of the output power on 2.4Ghz

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LAUNCHXL-CC1352P1: 868/915 MHz up to 20 dBm, 2.4 GHz up to 5 dBm
LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-2*: 868/915 MHz up to 14 dBm, 2.4 GHz up to 20 dBm
LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-4*: 433 MHz up to 14 dBm, 2.4 GHz up to 10 dBm

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Still better than the conbee with maximum of 8.7dBm

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Wonder if Koenkk has added support for the -4 yet

sour shadow
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ZZH will be back in stock this week

silver stump
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Hey there! 🙂
I want to integrate my ikea pax lighting to my home assistant, and maybe add some extra functionality to the buttons.
I have TRÅDFRI psu, and 2 TRÅDFRI button, one simple, and one with 5 buttons.
my ha running on a raspberry. So I will need some kind of usb zigbee dongle. Can you recommend me a reliable one? 🙂
Thank you!

sour shadow
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Start by picking your integration ☝️

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Personally I suggest either zha (built into HA) or Zigbee2MQTT (separate)

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Once you've picked an integration, then you can pick a recommended stick

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Actually, let me update that command to reflect recent changes...

obsidian sandalBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), and the TI Launch-XL boards being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '~zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
ivory hound
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seem to be recommended

violet dagger
#

nobody? thats a bit incorrect

ivory hound
#

whats the difference betwin Electrolama zig-a-zig-ah! (zzh!) and Slaesh's CC2652RB stick ?

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everyone seem to want the first one

jolly narwhal
#

Slaesh appears to be horrible at communication

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and delivery

sour shadow
violet dagger
#

slaesh's fulfillment was not satisfactory

ivory hound
#

ah yes i experienced that myself :))

jolly narwhal
#

Fulfill me senpai

violet dagger
#

send me your onlyfans 😉

stone halo
#

though the hardware is sublime

sour shadow
#

And if they could get their comms to above failed utterly that'd help 😉

stone halo
#

i got the tracking from fhl, so well see where it goes

sour shadow
#

That's more than most get TBH

stone halo
#

he must like me

sour shadow
#

When I ordered mine from them I got radio silence and then it turned up one day

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Never responded to any messages, and this was back when he started, it's not like it should surprise folks these days

stone halo
silver stump
#

It just raised more questions in my head.

sour shadow
#

Well, pick one 😉

jolly narwhal
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zigbee2mqtt yes

stone halo
#

z2m is endgame, deconz is for if you dont want an upgrade path

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zha is a last resort, supports anything

sour shadow
#

There's no "wrong" choice between zha and Z2M - it's really just whether you want something bundled in HA, or you want flexibility

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deCONZ.... they'll hopefully get back in the game again

jolly narwhal
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flexibility yes

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decoupling yes

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not all eggs in one basket yes

sour shadow
#

I do like the look of Tube's stuff for that

stone halo
#

tube stuff is cute

sour shadow
jolly narwhal
#

Aye, would buy

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if my CC1352 wasn't so damn good

sour shadow
#

I'd buy if it supported PoE

stone halo
silver stump
#

Okay,
Well yes I want to expend the network for sure.
I think I want to use mostly shelly devicess mostly.

jolly narwhal
#

but shelly isn't zigbee 🤔 @silver stump

stone halo
stone halo
jolly narwhal
silver stump
jolly narwhal
#

Trådfri yes

silver stump
#

(or zigbee too to be specific)

silver stump
jolly narwhal
#

I added 6 new devices to my mesh this weekend

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NOICE

stone halo
jolly narwhal
silver stump
#

so if I am understand it correctly the most robust way would be to go z2m?

stone halo
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if only zonoff would support the shelly detached mode on the zbmini

jolly narwhal
#

It will be the only way I will ever recommend atleast

stone halo
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shelly detached mode is awesome, it has a fallback when it doesnt work. the zbmini doesnt

jolly narwhal
#

I bought 4 shellys 2 years ago

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haven't installed them yet

sour shadow
#

Being separate from HA means that Z2M can be upgraded, or downgraded, when you want, not when HA upgrades

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If an upgrade breaks something, like 1.18.0 did for many, you can revert trivially

stone halo
sour shadow
#

You mean, most sticks supported by Z2M are supported by ZHA 😛

stone halo
obsidian sandalBOT
#

@stone halo When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

😉

jolly narwhal
stone halo
#

im still amazed at how philips is the only one providing addressable rgb strips on zigbee

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i saw a paper from my uni to other day on how to make it happen in collaboration with signify

jolly narwhal
#

adressable ?

stone halo
#

as in gradient rgb

jolly narwhal
#

I haven't seen that

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I have had some issues with my gledopto rgb-cct controllers

stone halo
jolly narwhal
#

so I'm replacing them with wifi instead

sour shadow
#

Yeah, I'm trying out the Gledopto Pro (Zigbee 3.0) once it arrives to see if it's better than the original ones

jolly narwhal
#

holy batman

#

that price

stone halo
jolly narwhal
#

I only have 4 hue bulbs, and all of them I got for free or very discounted

#

the rest of the 60+ are trådfri

stone halo
sour shadow
#

We'll see if that's better

jolly narwhal
#

I made a deal with a collegue who didn't want them anymore, I picked him up from a party, and I got three hue bulbs 🤣

#

the last one I bought returned for $4

sour shadow
#

After that... other than for COB strips I'll likely go with WLED

stone halo
#

ill be probably tryna collaborate with signify next uni semester so pray fo free stuff to utilize

stone halo
jolly narwhal
#

trådfri CT does everything I need

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I do one trådfri RGB for my daughters room

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just for her amusment

stone halo
#

I wanna get RGB ones for the sake of hue entertainment

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Like whole room lighting along the monitor contents

sour shadow
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You want RGB-CCT if you can, so you get the best of both worlds

stone halo
sour shadow
#

If Ikea do them, use that

#

Philips will for sure, they're the gold standard

stone halo
#

Also thinking about a big filament bulb

sour shadow
#

I don't have any RGB capable bulbs though, only RGB-CCT strips or CCT bulbs

jolly narwhal
#

I have a philips filament bulb come think of it

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was also on sale for $8

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and I have 4x IKEA 40cm filament bulbs

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but they are not smart

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😄

silver stump
#

okay, I think I will go with ConBee II stick and z2m.

stone halo
#

i be living in a 18m^2 student house, barely have space for all those lamps

stone halo
jolly narwhal
#

probably the shittiest

silver stump
#

😄

jolly narwhal
#

😄

silver stump
#

good that I have a forum where I can discuss that.

stone halo
jolly narwhal
#

I lived in a 12m^2 student apartment for a year, it was fine, I was alone, but I bought my own house at age 22 instead

stone halo
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tho tis advice is usefull for when im going to be working at the univesity project haha

silver stump
stone halo
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if you are going to be spending the 40 bucks on the conbee 2, jsut get the 2652 variants