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glossy lintel
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nope

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but no single device in my device list for now

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but I can see it lists my devices

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now I remove the pot, put the antenna back

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and restart z2m again

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lets see

fair mountain
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@austere patio After flashing an updated firmware and restarting ZHA, how long should it take to load the network back onto the coordinator?

austere patio
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About a minute and a half, it takes a while to restore

fair mountain
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(all my devices are mains powered and online.)

austere patio
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ZHA sends a ton of requests on startup, which would happen immediately after the restore, likely before the coordinator has had a chance to rebuild any routes

fair mountain
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okay dokay 🙂

austere patio
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I'd just wait for like 10 minutes and see what happens then. You should be seeing sensor updates almost immediately though.

fair mountain
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i am.

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and I can turn off and on the light in this room

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it actually seems more responsive than before .... /me suspicious

glossy lintel
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yeah well

austere patio
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It's likely falling back to source routing because the requests fail

glossy lintel
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after a restart

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all my devices are still gone

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I have to repair them all, again

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😄

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best practice is to start painring the routers, right ?

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so the closest tradfri extender, then the next one, etc.

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?

austere patio
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Ah, sorry. I'm not familiar with the Z2M part of this problem, just the Zigbee part, so Z2M must have done something

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Try permitting joins and just letting it sit for a bit

glossy lintel
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yeah Z2M lost it all ^^

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not a big deal

austere patio
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Z2M should allow the devices already on the network to join

glossy lintel
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repairing only takes a few minutes

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and HA finds the devices back based on their IDs

austere patio
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Yeah, routers first, then end devices

glossy lintel
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ok

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routers it is then

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but I don't have to pair the routers starting with the closest one, then going to the next one, right ?

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routers will pair the closest devices once they find them, right ? based on best possible signal

fair mountain
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I noticed Z-Stack says max 200 devices, yikes.

austere patio
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It won't hurt but I don't think it's really necessary unless the distant routers can't reach the coordinator

austere patio
sour shadow
fair mountain
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ah ha

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What is the amx # of devices I should realistically put on the network?

glossy lintel
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aaaand I'm getting shit LQI again

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😦

sour shadow
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I've seen people have problems at 50, and at hundreds... there seems to be no specifc number

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It's all about your devices and mesh

fair mountain
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yeah i have been seeing lag at ~164 devices

glossy lintel
fair mountain
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that is why i am trying the new firmware

glossy lintel
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18

lilac wharf
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but no more than 65535 KEK

fair mountain
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previously I was on 20220219, now I am on 20221226

glossy lintel
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18 seems pretty bad, and two devices had 0 LQI value on chan25....

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😦

fair mountain
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I had to get my Zigbee coordinator away from motor loads (freezer, HRV, washer/dryer ..)

glossy lintel
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yeah and really, except mesh wifi routers around the house, I don't run anything special here

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the funniest part is I have some devices that are just next to each one, one is at 10, and the other one at 68

austere patio
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Is this a Sonoff stick?

floral plinth
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I flashed router firmware to a ZBDongle-E however it won't pair as a router to ZHA. It just doesn't ever show up when trying to add. Is there some known issue with that stick and ITEAD router firmware?

rapid solstice
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I have a quick zigbee question. I just wanted to switch from Deconz to zigbee2mqtt... and added the first lights, some IKEA GU10 lightbulbs. Seems they are supported with the latest version , but somehow my installed version is 1.18.1-1. But when I look at https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt/tree/master/zigbee2mqtt it says something about v1.29.1-1?!? My home-assistant is on the latest version as well. Can somebody tell me how to update zigbee2mqtt?

sour shadow
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You're using the old add-on repo

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Check the pinned messages for one that has a link on how to fix that

rapid solstice
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Ahhhhhh... thank you very much... looking better now!!! 👍

clever cedar
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Guys any opinions on these USB Zigbee repeaters? are they worth it or it's better to get something ese like a smart plug?

grim igloo
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general consensus is why buy a repeater when a smart light switch or plug is similarly priced and does more than just "repeat"

clever cedar
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105 max

grim igloo
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have you already confirmed you arent in a situation where you just have interference?

clever cedar
grim igloo
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what coordinator

clever cedar
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Sonoff

grim igloo
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is coordinator on usb extension away from usb ports and rack?

clever cedar
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yes

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using an extension cable far away from everything as is connected using ser2net on another device

grim igloo
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do the devices work well

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and just show loq LQI?

clever cedar
grim igloo
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if you search (in this server) from user: puddly and LQI he's explained how LQI isnt some perfect number and doesnt mean much in a lot of scenarios

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i wouldnt say they are working well if they sometimes wont do X

clever cedar
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I'll look into it thanks!

grim igloo
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list off what devices/brands you have on your mesh and which devices are sometimes having issues

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might be a scenario where you have some bad device making the mesh all fucky wucky

grim igloo
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if not, that could easily be your problem

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z2m or zha?

clever cedar
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using zha

grim igloo
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zigbee groups or home assistant groups/lightgroups?

clever cedar
grim igloo
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yea

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sounds like you're doing all the right stuff then

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still, list off devices like i said above

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could help narrow down a bad boi

clever cedar
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It's like a roulette, they're not always the same devices that fails to turn off/on

clever cedar
grim igloo
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i dont have a list but there have been people here helped with issues and it ends up being something like a first gen hue bulb, or some sonoff device, or some tuya zigbee device that is blackholing routes and causing issues

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as far as actually diagnosing that with logs with zha, i have no idea how to help, someone else would have to jump in

clever cedar
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Lights:

  • eWeLight ZB-CL01
  • _TZ3210_it1u8ahz TS0505B

Plugs:

  • SONOFF BASICZBR3

Sensors:

  • Aqara zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.magnet_aq2.MagnetAQ2
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My lights are some chinesse cheapest from Aliexpress

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most of my ceiling is covered with them

grim igloo
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kinda sounds like you're slowly describing a situation i painted above lol

clever cedar
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Also I'm seeing lots of "red lines" on my zigbe map on zha

grim igloo
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quick search here led me to that and puddly/dmulcahey helping the guy diagnose on zha in the comments on github

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specifically searching "eWeLight ZB-CL01"

clever cedar
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I'm now trying to move my cordinator to different places and the devices are giving me better lqi

grim igloo
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still, i think ultimately it sounds like one or more of your devices is causing issues. someone can jump in and help you check logs for zha

clever cedar
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when I move teh cordinator to another place, LQI increases on one side and decreases the other :/ I have like 5 devices with <10 LQI

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just 2 with >100 from 44 devices

fair mountain
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SONOFF other than the coordinator on the USB dongle have horrible routing, I had some ones acting as routers and they were breaking my whole network

grim igloo
fair mountain
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i have no idea, i didnt try

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I am running a SONOFF 3.0 dongle

clever cedar
grim igloo
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@clever cedar how many sonoff?\

clever cedar
fair mountain
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try removing them and see if htey fix things

grim igloo
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yea

fair mountain
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I had 2 ...

grim igloo
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remove them and see what happens

fair mountain
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they literallyd estroyed network performance

clever cedar
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so if this fixes my issue I'll have to change them?

fair mountain
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yes

clever cedar
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Any alternative?

fair mountain
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and it wont be an immediate fix, youll need to wait an hour ro so

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alternative to getting rid of devices that dont respect the zigbee spec? no

clever cedar
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I'm using the BASICZBR3

clever cedar
grim igloo
clever cedar
grim igloo
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off the shelf shelly or any kind of device you could flash esphome/tasmota to

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many options for that kind of stuff

clever cedar
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shelly with esphome/tasmota then

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I'll have to research to make sure that's my problem

grim igloo
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easy test is remove power from all and see what happens

clever cedar
grim igloo
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y o l o

clever cedar
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That's me... 😛

fair mountain
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just wait for them to burn themselves out

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I am down to 1 Shelly. Can't wait to rip that garbage out.

clever cedar
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I'm using ser2net to plug my cordinator, so every now and then I move my cordinator "freely" on my apartment and see some improvements

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but while some areas improve LQI some other decrease

glossy lintel
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might sound ike a stupid question but why do I get different values on the devices page and on the map ?

grim igloo
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I think the maps lie

sour laurel
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Hi all, hope you can help. I have HA with conbee2 and zigbee2mqtt setup. At the minute I only have one phillips bulb connected to it and it works fine. I bought a LEDVANE off amazon to try and link into an external light. When I put the device in pairing mode and set HA to permit join it isn't seen. Is there anywhere in HA/Z2M logs that I see if it talking at all?

clever cedar
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Is the Skyconnect a worthwile upgrade from the Sonoff 3.0 dongle? (just for the zigbee standpoint)

grim igloo
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If you start buying random zigbee stuff off Amazon and adding it to your mesh you’re gonna have a bad time

sour laurel
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ok but as I don't have a mesh and only 1 zigbee device at the min I thought it was work a go, isn't that the point of the zigbee protocol to be able to do this sort of thing?

glossy lintel
clever cedar
glossy lintel
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I try to use an innr plug as router, and it gets ptrayy pretty bad signal indeed

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so all devices connecting to it have shit lqi as well

clever cedar
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I don't know if my sonoff are quite the right issue in my case untill I manage a way to disconnect them

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Will it worth to switch my cordinator from Sonoff 3.0 to the new Skyconnect?

grim igloo
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Worth it for what?

clever cedar
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the upgrade, better signal?

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just on the zigbee standpoint of course (it doesn't "matter" on my case yet)

grim igloo
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I haven’t read about better antenna design but that would be a reason if so

carmine hamlet
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For what it's worth, I just moved my Sonoff P dongle 2ft higher and reoriented the antenna to be parallel with the ground and all my LQIs went up by 20-40 points+

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Like magic

clever cedar
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way better just by reorienting the antenna

grim igloo
carmine hamlet
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Random

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My dongle is on the second floor, so..random

grim igloo
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I printed a cute little holder for mine but the tape I used failed

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this

carmine hamlet
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I had a bunch stuck at 36 and those are now 70+

grim igloo
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i've always wondered what ideal mount option is for zigbee/zwave sticks like how we have radiation patterns with APs and known ways to best mount APs based on said radiation patterns

molten linden
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had a customer where everything worked great 90% of the time, the other 10 nothing worked.

clever cedar
molten linden
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he had a device that was on 2.4ghz and autoswitched channels.

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logitech a wireless keyboard sitck. - point being tons of stuff affects LQI etc and poof shows and poof goes away.

tidal portal
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Spent a couple of hours trying to get this thing to work but ultimately have this exact problem. Tried Z2M but the device was unsupported, which then broke my ZHA, eventually fixed it all by changing USB port and re-adding ZHA. Absolute nightmare 😄 Were you able to get any further with yours at all?

grim igloo
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but now that rob said he just got better signal i'm gonna move it

carmine hamlet
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DOIT

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mine dangles strategically from a closet rod

grim igloo
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LMAO SAME

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here i'll take an ugly pic

carmine hamlet
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Only science spoken here

grim igloo
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in my defense- i am lazy and both the zigbee and zwave dongles have been working hangin'

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and the pi zero w 2 is strategically placed

clever cedar
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Even my LQI improved I have my cordinator like inches away from some lights and they get 116 LQI only

grim igloo
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woo

austere patio
grim igloo
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i put that falling led strip up a week ago in the pic. seems like the heat and the sticky tape didnt work too well lmao

clever cedar
austere patio
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Zigbee+Thread (for Matter) on the same stick

clever cedar
austere patio
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The coordinator choice really doesn't make much of a difference, it's as good as any based on the same chip

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Though the SkyConnect firmware that we build doesn't have runtime assertion failures, unlike the Sonoff 🤣

grim igloo
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is there some reference model they are all built from like si labs does with zwave?

austere patio
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SiLabs sells pre-made modules, which is what the Yellow uses. SkyConnect and I believe the Sonoff both use custom designs

austere patio
grim igloo
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are you saying due to the nature of zigbee meshes (multiple repeaters) that the antenna design is negligible in most cases then?

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gotcha, thanks dad

austere patio
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Though I don't have any concrete, scientific tests to prove it. The noise performance of the SkyConnect is as good as any other stick when used in intentionally horrible conditions. I haven't done any open-air range tests yet though.

grim igloo
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what does noise performance mean in this context?

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like less interference from noise like conbee suffers from?

austere patio
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Yeah. They're all more or less the same, with the Conbee being ever so slightly more sensitive than the others.

molten linden
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the skyconnect yellow (and me 👋 ) all uses a slightly beefier efr32 too than what's in the sonoff. 🤷🏼‍♂️ which is the same one that was in their wifi bridge from 2-3+ years ago - so you'd think they could get the FW right by now.

sour shadow
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It's Sonoff... why would you think that?

austere patio
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Oh, are they using the EFR32MG12?

molten linden
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I could dig for my pics, but it's the same one on the SM-011 module in the -P

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(same as in the inovelli blue too)

clever cedar
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notice the proximity between the coordinator and the lights

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LQI 69 :/

grim igloo
mellow geode
molten linden
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here's the MCU info from Commander on the E that I have.

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jagged sun
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I'm thinking of switching my Zigbee coordinator from a cheap CC2531 to a Sonoff ZBDongle-E (EFR32MG21) but I believe that may involve the "Protocol Interface" changing on my setup from Z-Stack(ZNP) to EmberZNet (EZSP). I use ZHA currently, anyone know if I'll be able to backup my Zigbee config and use the Migrate radio feature pretty easily between the two?

austere patio
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Yes

jagged sun
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I'm hoping the protocol interface change wont be an issue,

austere patio
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It's not an issue. Just plug in the new stick and follow the migration instructions.

jagged sun
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amazing, thank you

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bless the little cheap CC2531 it cost me like £10 and gave me flawless Zigbee service across three floors for 2 years, but I've reached threshold around 32 devices now and it has become unreliable,

grim igloo
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Flawless and cc2531 aren’t usually in the same sentence I thought

jagged sun
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I even re-flashed it, bought another and flashed that, but I have the same stability issues between the two different units now I think

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I know, it has been a perfect experience over the past two years and quite a few Zigbee devices (by my standards)

grim igloo
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If you scroll up a little you might not want the E dongle

austere patio
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Prepare to be blown away by a non-CC2531 😆, it doesn't require monthly re-flashing

jagged sun
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I've read some horror stories, but I've been real lucky, I don't think I had the stick ever lock-up once in around 2 years. But lately with 32+ devices I'm not seeing locking-up I think

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haha, cool. I only flashed my CC2521 once in years, re-flashed it again recently out of desperation

jagged sun
floral plinth
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I couldn't get the E to connect to the P as a router. So I just swapped back to the E as the coordinator and P as a router. The P connected to the E fine.

jagged sun
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I've only ever had the one coordinator (cheap CC2531) which I was blown away with the range on it. But I'm thinking of just switching to one Sonoff coordinator, reading about the E one now

floral plinth
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So far the P has been the most performant for me but that being said I have about 50% of my end devices go offline after a few days.

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I literally just swapped back to the E to see if that helps

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I was originally on a Nortek

jagged sun
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that sounds like a bit of struggle sorry to hear that

grim igloo
floral plinth
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I never had my sengled devices go offline with EZSP but ZNP all the time

jagged sun
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Thanks for the headsup. I couldn't find a Skyconnect one available in the UK from the supplier shown. I haven't seen PoE ones, I do have PoE so that is interesting.

grim igloo
jagged sun
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Anyone here using a Sonoff P version with a good number of devices? (like 50 or more)

austere patio
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Many people

grim igloo
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50 something here on p

jagged sun
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by the sounds of it the firmware running on them can have quite an impact

grim igloo
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Always update to latest before using yea

jagged sun
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I have 32 Zigbee devices so far but I think probably 15 of those are routers (lightbulbs and power switches)

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I think I'll try the Sonoff P next then as I can get one of those quickly

floral plinth
grim igloo
jagged sun
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perfect! thank you. Just ordered and it will be here tomorrow, so that will come in handy.

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nice that he is using python as I'm on linux so hopefully it'll work just as well

clever cedar
grim igloo
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you dont want a zigbee coordinator with wifi next hop bro

clever cedar
grim igloo
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slaps djcrawleravp around a bit with a large trout

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err smacks? shit irc has been a while

molten linden
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wifi and zigbee don't mix. I even started a business based on that principle 😂

clever cedar
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i have very goo wifi coverage and this gives me the liberty to move my antenna around to check which is the best place

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my server is in a very inconvenient place on my apartment

grim igloo
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you're having to hope devices get new routes each time you move it

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and certain battery powered devices arent quick and can even just not get new routes on their own (such as aqara)

clever cedar
grim igloo
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?

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zigbee routes...

clever cedar
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trial and error... :/

grim igloo
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i think without actually comparing routes and lqi that's mostly just you not getting a lot accomplished

clever cedar
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I see lots of "red" on my network map, that's why I'm testing new placements, my network works "fine" (for the most part) but sometimes some random light won't turn on/off when using scenes

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LQI is <150 though even at inches of the coordinator :/

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I'm blaming this to my concrete wall building

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my apartment is not that big but even my wifi struggles

grim igloo
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in my experience 2.4ghz can penetrate all the things except metal (and water iirc?). guess the rebar in the concrete doesnt help

clever cedar
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bars everywhere

grim igloo
clever cedar
grim igloo
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"steel"

clever cedar
hollow chasm
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Wood and drywall construction may have some disadvantages, but at least it's easy to run new wires and hang things

grim igloo
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arent they foaming all the things now?

hollow chasm
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I think new construction requires fire breaks between floors, but I don't think they're filling walls with foam

grim igloo
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plus more firewalls and "tight" houses

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right

hollow chasm
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You can just go through the fire break and then seal the hole back up with fire rated caulk

robust juniper
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Hey, is it possible to detect a Zigbee device being turned on/off at the power point? (I'm using ZHA, but kinda asking generally too)
I got a light bulb and intended to use it as a pretty "dumb" bulb, but expected to have a Home Assistant automation based on whether it's unavailable or not... but it doesn't ever actually go unavailable

grim igloo
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check inovelli blue, overpriced and out of stock/back ordered but i think they will be supporting thread

grim igloo
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however if you had a smart switch / relay / whatever and killed power to said bulb with that smart switch etc, sure that would be able to be tracked in real time

robust juniper
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I'm currently not even seeing it go unavailable at all... maybe I'm just not waiting long enough, but I did do an update entity on it

grim igloo
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no, i went zwave switches and zigbee bulbs like a year ago cuz nothing else existed for zigbee that looked good / worked how i wanted it to at that time. now inovelli blue is the only one i'd buy

grim igloo
tulip patrol
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@ionic hornet go check the thread group membership prices

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And it might make more sense

grim igloo
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even worse, no zigbee or zwave outlets.. super weird

grim igloo
robust juniper
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I'm using it for the bathroom, where the shower fan is attached to the lighting power, such that if the bulb is receiving power, the fan is on, and loud, so smart switch isn't super viable. I thought a smart bulb used as sort of a bridge between HA and the dumb switch was a clever idea... might need to go WiFi instead of ZIgbee, but that'll have it's own slowness

grim igloo
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ooh thread the protocol not a forum thread. derp.

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i read thread as it's historically been used on the internet.. shame on me

tulip patrol
grim igloo
tulip patrol
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No idea, we don't really use zwave in Australia

grim igloo
tulip patrol
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@grim igloo it's the worst name for search engines really

robust juniper
grim igloo
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light and fan shouldnt be on same hot

grim igloo
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i put all the smarts in one of my bathrooms. 2 smart bulbs, smart led strip, 2 in 1 zooz zen30 smart light switch + secondary switch i use for fan, recessed door sensor, and smart speaker. all automated to work together

robust juniper
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True, is unlikely with the age of this building, but maybe.
I just thought this was a great alternative and didn't even consider I'd be running into this issue. xD

grim igloo
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very happy with the outcome, but it's like $300 in hardware lol

robust juniper
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Aha! I can change the timeout for mains powered devices separately for battery powered devices, ok, that's good

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The default is 2hrs for mains powered?! :O Ok, yeah, that's gone

grim igloo
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i'd have to look and see why i disliked them

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after being here for a couple years, i really can say i have NOT seen either of those brands suggested often

robust juniper
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Solved! Thanks, was actually helpful. :)
I don't mind if it takes a while to timeout, I just wasn't seeing it ever timeout because it takes 2hrs, so I wasn't confident it would ever work

grim igloo
robust juniper
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Chatting here

slim ravine
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(i hate the look of most of the "friends of hue" switches)

grim igloo
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ignoring friends of hue existence and only buying hue has served me well

slim ravine
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yeah, i wish their wall dimmers weren't so chonky

grim igloo
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and i have two of them

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they feel like shit to press lol

slim ravine
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for reals

grim igloo
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?

slim ravine
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i briefly debated ditching zigbee entirely and going fully IP-based with something like Wyze

grim igloo
slim ravine
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but then i'd also have to get all new presence and temp sensors

grim igloo
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i like decora style rockers like inovelli blues or zooz zen76 (and others)

slim ravine
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yeah if innovelli were available i woudl've just bought those

grim igloo
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you shouldnt need to reset your bulbs bro

slim ravine
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i bought just one to test it out, and that was in like, november

grim igloo
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but yes i had to get on a ladder to reset a couple once and that wasnt enjoyable

slim ravine
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i have to thread this weird needle where anything that can be done on the phone has to also be done on the wall, at least as far as on/off and dimming goes - wife acceptance factor

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so the caseta dimmers work a treat, but aren't compatible wit hthe hue bulbs

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i googled around, looks like it's not smart bulb compatible

grim igloo
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smart bulb mode is definitely necessary

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but that's another reason the inovelli blues are nice.. they're zigbee so you can bind them to your hue bulbs

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and/or motion sensors. so they still work if hass dies

slim ravine
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yeah, i guess the real answer here is just "wait till inovelli is in stock"

grim igloo
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no, it's preorder and give them your money

slim ravine
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oh i did that too

grim igloo
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cuz more and more guys are gonna just keep preordering ahead of you

slim ravine
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but the ones i ordered back in november haven't even showed up yet lol,

grim igloo
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and i say this as someone who hates the word preorder lol

grim igloo
slim ravine
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yeah i got an email the other day saying "by the end of feb"

grim igloo
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iirc their site said should ship by later dec then

grim igloo
slim ravine
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and that everything was pushed back a month

grim igloo
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complete shitshow

slim ravine
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yeah, keep staring at the EverythingPresenceOne order page, but i can't be putting money toward two things that are backordered 😛

grim igloo
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?

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if hass is down and you have smart bulbs and smart switches in smart bulb mode and they arent binded together how are they gonna talk to each other

mighty river
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if that makes sense

floral plinth
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So I replaced my P with the E and nothing works unless I do source routing. All delivery attempts to lights fail unless source routing is enabled. No idea why

raven jewel
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As in Sonoff P with Sonoff E? E uses a different chip to P

tiny timber
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Is there some documentation on migrating a Zigbee network from one coordinator to another? Just got my SkyConnect stick and was hoping to move off the Conbee 2. Using ZHA.

austere patio
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Make sure your Conbee is running firmware from 2021 or later

tiny timber
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Ohh, that easy hey? Gotta have them both plugged in at the same time?

austere patio
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Just so the Conbee can be reset

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Otherwise they'll both have identical network settings, breaking your network the moment both are plugged in at once

floral plinth
austere patio
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I think something weird is up with your setup, since you're probably the only one that is actually using source routing with an EZSP coordinator 😆

tiny timber
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Migration didn't work :/ Guessing that means I just need to re-pair and rename everything?

floral plinth
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Will see what happens over the next 3 days. That is when all the devices went offline with the P coordinator

tiny timber
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Just reporting back on the migration. A few things worked, but most needed to be re-paired. Thankfully just going to Add Devices then entering Pairing Mode on the device recognized it as the exact same device without needing to delete/re-add them. Means that none of my automations broke.

austere patio
tiny timber
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I hadn't updated the Conbee ever, so that could be it - but I've only had it since 2021 I believe. Waited about an hour for devices to propogate/re-mesh before going through and re-pairing them.

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Have also moved some of my Hue bulbs over to the SkyConnect network to provide more reliable routers.

austere patio
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That may be it

tiny timber
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It seems like none of the Aqara stuff migrated cleanly, but some of the Tradfri stuff did (sensors, not so much the sockets).

austere patio
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The migration has no knowledge of any individual device, it's just copying the basic network settings over. If some stuff migrated but other stuff did not, that means the migration was successful, it's just that the old Conbee firmware did not copy the one setting necessary to control newer devices

tiny timber
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Yeah, I saw the downloaded JSON and expected that may have been the case due to how sparse it was. So that makes sense.

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Only have around 30 devices, so wasn't the hugest hassle to re-configure them. Needed to replace 3 sets of batteries anyway.

austere patio
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Ah. If you've already rejoined the affected devices then there's not much else to do so I appreciate the feedback. I think the Conbee firmware warning should be prominent for Conbee users with old firmware.

tiny timber
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Yeah, everything seems to be running totally fine now. Just as snappy as before. And it gave me an excuse to clean up my entities and nuke some of the Hue stuff 😛

grim igloo
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puddly out here saving the world one zha bug / improvement at a time 😛

tiny timber
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I'm definitely very glad for the fact that ZHA/HA is smart enough to recognize/reinitialize existing devices if you simply pair them again. Would have been a nightmare to effectively have to set them all up from scratch again.

grim igloo
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i believe z2m has the same functionality

hollow chasm
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I've re-paired in Z2M and I didn't have to set anything back up again. It just re-interviewed and everything stayed the same

tiny timber
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Not using it as a comparison, just saying it's a great feature. Didn't expect it.

austere patio
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As long as you don't delete the ZHA integration, all of your entity customization will still be there. The /config/zigbee.db file contains all of the cached info about your existing devices so every device that "rejoins" is already identified, it may just need to be re-configured by ZHA to start reporting again.

amber cobalt
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Hi! I had set up a Aqara FP1 in Zigbee2MQTT, and it worked, but about a week ago it stopped updating state. I tried to debug this, but couldn't figure it out. Eventually, I just tried resetting and repairing, but it is not being added to the devices. I tried with the base HubZ integration and it did join, but that does not have the actual updates. What are next steps to look at here?

peak moth
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@molten linden I figured it out. The aurora is creating an implicit group, in my case 0xABD9 that it adds all lights it is bound to. That's why the lights kept turning off/on even after factory resetting the dimmer, they were still in the group. I was able to remove a bulb from the aurora completely by unbinding it then using zha toolkit to remove it from the group.

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I'm on firmware 0x00000c08, wonder if this is a firmware change since I know there are two around.

molten linden
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it's been a while but I think I remember this now. I did some sniffing too, as some coordinators (ezsp) don't see the group traffic if they aren't a member.

tiny timber
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Hmm, I pulled the Hue motion sensors into ZHA for the first time (used to just leave them in Hue) and just noticed that the actual motion binary sensor doesn't seem to change, but the occupancy sensor does. Does anyone know why this is?

rapid solstice
#

Maybe somebody has an idea. I have a Philips Hue light strip that was paired using deconz and a Conbee II Stick. I now want to repair with zigbee2mqtt and my new Sonoff Stick. I tried to turn the strip on and off repeatedly but it just does not start flashing (as it should?!?) and also can't be found in zigbee2mqtt, so it seems it's not yet in pairing mode?!? I tried with short intervals when powering on/off and with longer ones. None seem to work. So any advice would be greatly appreciated!

glossy lintel
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In regards to my shitty LQI values at home, I have some more questions

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Could it be due to the fact my wifi routers ( I have 4 in the house) are combining 2.4G and 5G bands ?

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and.....could it also be due to the fact I am running all my light bulbs using a zigbee (hue) hub ?

tiny timber
glossy lintel
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@tiny timber Z2M is SOOOO unstable on my end that I really fear moving my hue lamps to HA

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😄

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I mean, hue just makes things work perfectly

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out of the box....

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I wish the sonoff devices I bought from sonoff would have worked with my hue hub....

tiny timber
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Yeah, I still have most of my Hue stuff through the Hue hub. But with your setup - it's not surprising. You need to do some AP sniffing to find the best bands to use. I have 2 Zigbee networks, and 2 2.4ghz APs. Took me ages to find usable bands.

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With how dense your setup is (why do you have 4 APs?), you will definitely be getting a lot of overlapping signals.

glossy lintel
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looks like band 20 was the way to go

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but still, I have shitty LQI values

#

and yeah, I have an old house with very large walls, so I had to improve the wifi network, adding several routers (one per floor, actually)

tiny timber
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Channel 20 for what? Remember that Hue will also be on a certain channel, and you will want your Hue and Z2M networks to be decently separated. Similarly, you will want to spread your 2.4ghz APs across the bands.

glossy lintel
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yes, that's why it looks like best case is to leave wifi on auto (so it uses channels 1, 6 and 11 for 2.4ghz)

#

then, use channel 25 for zigbee

tiny timber
#

What Zigbee repeaters are you using too? Moving some Hue bulbs may even make your Z2M network more stable.

glossy lintel
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(which is far away from these 2.4 bands)

#

the channel(s) used by hue remains a mystery to me

#

@tiny timber I have hue bulbs all over the place

tiny timber
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You can see/set it under Bridge Settings.

glossy lintel
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all my bulbs are connected

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really? I did never connect the hue bridge webui as far as a remember 😄

tiny timber
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Doesn't mean shit for your Z2M network. What repeaters are you using on it?

glossy lintel
#

so I have my sonoff (silicon blabla) usb stick in the basement (connected through a usb extender of 2 meters)

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then, I have a first router (basement) which is a TRADFRI range extender

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and I also do have another one at the upper floor

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I also re-used a innr plug I had to use it as a router

tiny timber
#

So let me get this straight, you're running all your Zigbee devices off 1 coordinator and 2 routers? Normally that'd be fine in a small home, but sounds like you have a large home.

#

I would recommend moving a few of your Hue bulbs to Z2M to strengthen the mesh.

glossy lintel
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not that large really, but it's an old one, so I think the walls are larger than usual "new" homes

#

look

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these values are really.....low

#

right ?

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I have 2 extra TRADFRI extenders arriving today

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I'll see if I can improve the signal that way

tiny timber
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Yeah, that'll help.

glossy lintel
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thing is, I don't see me pairing my hue and tradfri bulbs now

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as

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  1. I really do likethe hue app, it's pretty nice. better than HA in my humble opinion
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  1. if I finally get shit signals like now and it becomes unreliable....my wife will kick my ass
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second parameter is the scariest, to be honest

tiny timber
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Yeah, I hear you. It's nice to have a fallback if HA breaks. As I said, I still have most of my Hue stuff through the Hue hub. Just moved a few bulbs over for a stronger ZHA network for my sensors. Also moved my Hue sensors over due to the Hue API limitations.

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And yes, your LQI is very low.

glossy lintel
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I guess I will move everything one day, if I figure out a way to improve zigbee reliability, and if I figure out a way to make HA look more user friendly

tiny timber
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Plumbing between floors is likely to be your biggest flaw in an older house. Wireless signals hate water.

glossy lintel
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to be honest, my wife tried to change some light settings in HA once (hue is linked to HA of course) and she hated it

tiny timber
glossy lintel
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it would be dope to have something looking good and more user friendly (and on that end, philips made a great job!)

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yeah I started looking at this

tiny timber
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You can definitely make HA very user friendly/clean. But it takes a fair bit of work. Recommend starting with the Mushroom theme/cards.

glossy lintel
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yeah, another point I have is that, you know, you install philips app, and it just works 😉

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I have no issues taking time to improve things, but when things are broken, it pisses my whole fam'

tiny timber
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<for Philips-only devices, with very clunky automation capabilities>

glossy lintel
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  • they complain because I'm stuck to my laptop
glossy lintel
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but hey, I'm happy lights are turning on when I push one of the hue smart buttons around the house

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and since I'm using these sonoff on/off things, it works, then stops working, then works again.

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(with Z2M)

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funny fact is, that when I was using the sonoff hub (the little white one) things were working fine.

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by the way @tiny timber poitning to my hue hub brings me in that page :

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I have no setup or whatsoever in there

tiny timber
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The app...

glossy lintel
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ok

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haha, zigbee channel is 20....

tiny timber
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There's your issue then. Hue has more repeaters, so it's monopolising.

glossy lintel
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I'll move Z2M back to 25 I guess

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I will unplug the hue hub for the sake of testing

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restart Z2M, and see if LQI improves

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@tiny timber as I have someone here mixing hue and z2M, what bands did you personally pick ?

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I've forced my honor routers to use channel 1 for wifi (and it seems to be fine like this for now!)

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25 for Z2M it will be

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so what about hue ?

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it doesn"t make any difference disabling the hue hub

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It did not change anything to the LQI values

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crazy thing is I now do have devices with a signal of 0

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literally, zero, LQI

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and still I can control them

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it makes no sense to me 😄

#

I mean, usually, zero means nothing, so I'd assume, no signal

barren matrix
#

Is there a way to completely disable zha within HA? This as I use zigbee2mqtt, and need to make sure HA doesn't try to read the zigbee stick

glossy lintel
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If you did not configure it, how could it be reading anything ? 🙂

barren matrix
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@glossy lintel : well because it autodiscovers the usb device of my zigbee stick. And might even read things without being configured? 🙂

quiet cedar
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That’s not what happens

glossy lintel
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simply disable the integration, and forget about it 😉

barren matrix
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Well how to disable it? :p

glossy lintel
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in your integrations screen -> integration -> three dots -> ignore 😉

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ok well, I can confirm large walls are not appreciated by zigbee coordinators and routers !

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I moved my usb key to the next room, and avoids therefore an almost 1m large wall, and my values are wayyyy higher now

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ok one question on my end now, some of my devices are connecting to far away routers....can I force them to join a closer one to improve the signal ?

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do I REALLY have to re-sync the devices ?

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as explained here ?

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whatever....I paired it again

karmic topaz
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Hi folks! I recently updated a Frient smoke alarm using zigbee2mqtt from the Settings page in HA and the smoke alarm disappeared. I can no longer add it to the network, even after resetting it. I updated an IKEA blind a few months ago and that stopped working too, but I thought it might've been a hardware issue. Now I have a second device that "died" after firmware update.

Anybody have a similar experience and what can I do to troubleshoot / downgrade these devices? The IKEA blind I can still add to the network, but not the smoke alarm.

mellow geode
uncut sorrel
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I moved an aqara p1 zigbee presence sensor from garage to the house. Now the sensor goes unavailable roughly once per day. I have to re-add it to get it working. I have tried to add it through my coordinator (sonoff usb stick) with no difference. I'm using ZHA. Any ideas on what could I try?

tiny timber
violet wave
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the default channel for ZHA seems to be a bad choice

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I didn't know I could change the channel initially and now that I have 80+ devices, it's a bit late

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maybe it should be changed to 25 or 11 indeed as it seems to be a safer choice

tiny timber
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You should be able to change the channel without needing to re-pair anything.

violet wave
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well I've been googling about that but it doesn't seem so straightforward

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some of my devices are shutter switches in the walls behind switches or inside the shutter box themselves

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it was a pain to put there, I don't want to touch them 🙂

full marsh
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are there any open YAML-configuration-based projects to flash customized zigbee device firmware? similar to ESPHome for WiFi/bluetooth projects, but for zigbee devices like Sonoff ZBMINI.

from a software perspective, I love ESPHome and the YAML approach. from a hardware perspective I prefer zigbee over WiFi/bluetooth: it offers extras like mesh and low power consumption.

dusk crest
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Is your Conbee on a USB extension cable

tropic depot
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15 sits between WiFi channels

nova flint
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15, 20 or 25 🙂

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I've got mine on channel 24, and I've planned my APs to use 2.4 GHz channels 1 and 6 (leaving channel 11 and it's overlap completely free for Zigbee).
3 APs indoors, placed so that there's no overlapping radio signals on the same channel from any of them (the one in the middle is on ch6, the other two are on ch1).
Outdoor AP is free to use either in my configs, as it's barely visible indoors in any case.

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So nice to live decently far away from all neighbors that their radio noise isn't an issue 😄

violet wave
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anything I'm missing ?

warm atlas
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Is it ok to mix Sonoff zigbee 3.0 dongle “E” & “P” as coordinator & router?

mellow geode
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Should be fine, yes

last grail
tropic depot
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sure... i was talking defaults

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everyone's situation is different

river crest
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I got the skyconnect usb this week and was going to replace my sonoff. Anyone familiar with the stick migration on zigbee2mqtt? I've got the zigstar software, but can't figure out how to put the skyconnect into BSL mode?

uncut sorrel
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How do you change the channel in ZHA?

slate leaf
uncut sorrel
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Thanks, so it requires re-pairing for existing network. Not feasible in my case

molten linden
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^ this only impacts newly formed networks

violet wave
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I still have some spare device and a spare controller, I'll test it out I guess 🙂

grim igloo
solid inlet
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Hi there! Loving Zigbee2MQTT but have a smalll woe... Why does it always forget dark mode? Can this be set in a config file or only through gui? Thx

grim igloo
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I think there is a yaml config option for it detailed on their website

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The docs are pretty great

solid inlet
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oh cool, will look there, thanks

carmine hamlet
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Is anyone successfully using zigpy-cli and bellows on MacOS with a SkyConnect? I was hoping to do some energy scans with my MBP, but I'm getting a timeout when it tries to communicate with the SkyConnect. I'm using exactly the same command that works with the same SkyConnect stick on a Linux box (with the appropriate device): zigpy radio --baudrate 115200 ezsp /dev/cu.usbserial-14410 energy-scan

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interestingly, the timeout that I'm getting is the same error that I get on the Linux box if I don't specify the baudrate of 115200

solid inlet
austere patio
grim igloo
carmine hamlet
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Once I installed the driver, this worked: zigpy radio --baudrate 115200 ezsp /dev/cu.SLAB_USBtoUART energy-scan

lusty trench
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Hi guys what zigbee motion sensor would you recommend? I am not really happy with sonoff motion sensors -_-

grim igloo
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Hue is hard to beat they’re just pricey

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They retrigger the fastest, longest battery life, and just in general are great devices

hollow chasm
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Aqara P1 is very good

grim igloo
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I gotta try those. I have a couple fp1 mmWave and I’ve been playing with those for better presence. But obviously can’t replace a pir for trigger time

abstract rapids
lilac wharf
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Second on the thirdreality ones. Odd form factor but good nonetheless

glacial zinc
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Can you update Aqara devices through ZHA? I have some air quality sensors that have connectivity issues that I suspect might be software related

austere patio
mellow geode
raw nest
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Update: HA has no way to change the channel after the network is created, but i plugged my Conbee II stick into my PC and used their app to change the channel, now it's no longer interfering with my WiFi and it works significantly better.

raw nest
grim igloo
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aliexpress for double what i think they're worth lol

raw nest
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Oh ok lol

grim igloo
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pretty sure that's the only place other than aqara's website

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but i think the fp2 was just announced?

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idk might be worth waiting or buying some other mmwave sensors

raw nest
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I might just have to go the ESP route

grim igloo
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they waited til i bought mine before they announced the fp2, as is tradition

grim igloo
raw nest
grim igloo
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ah yeah i havent kept up that much

raw nest
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One YouTuber (I think everything smart home?) made a sensor that combines mmwave with infrared motion

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It's expensive though

grim igloo
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very expensive and backordered / preorder or something

raw nest
grim igloo
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i'll be waiting for a chinese ripoff of his design

raw nest
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Well you can just buy the parts and build it, I might try to do that

grim igloo
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although i think it's just his dad putting together a bunch of other open source stuff and using esphome to tie it together

raw nest
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Yeah that's exactly what it is

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Although it has a custom PCB and case

grim igloo
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he's one of the few youtubers that in my opinion interacts with the community and doesnt just prey on it, so he gets a check mark in my book -.-

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anyways re:zigbee i'll be using my hue PIR for the forseeable future

raw nest
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Idk about aqara, but his sensor can be heavily configured which I like because currently I have problems with PIR

grim igloo
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and maybe fp1 or similar mmwave for presence

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crazy fp1 arent repeaters too

raw nest
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I wish I could go hue, but their stuff is just so expensive

grim igloo
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i cant justify their rgbw-cct bulbs, especially not like 1600 lumen for $70 each

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but the motion/temp/lux multisensors have been so damn good

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i've had them for 3 years and they're still going on same batteries

raw nest
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It's already hard for me to justify $15 ZigBee bulbs when wifi ones are like $4

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Although ZigBee bulbs seem to have been getting a lot cheaper

grim igloo
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for rgbw-cct i like the athom bulbs if trying to go cheap but they're wifi

prisma shell
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does anyone recall what the setting is to force end devices to connect through routers? I read about it before but can't seem to find it again

grim igloo
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z2m or zha

prisma shell
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zha

prisma shell
raw nest
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Yes, and they're unfortunately not in stock here

prisma shell
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just warm/cool white but they are nice in places you dont need color

raw nest
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I just have Sengled and Innr, the Innr is just because Sengled doesn't have repeaters

prisma shell
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luckily I bought 4 2 packs before they went out of stock forever

raw nest
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I think ZigBee is slowly dying

prisma shell
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the router function is handy

raw nest
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Now everyone wants to go hubless

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Unfortunately

prisma shell
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supposedly it'll be upgradable to thread or whatever

hearty night
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I wonder if these mmwave radar sensors could be used for identifying who is in a room and where they are without needing a full-fledged camera

raw nest
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So now wifi and Bluetooth are popular

prisma shell
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wifi sucks

raw nest
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Agreed

prisma shell
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super spying devices

raw nest
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But most people don't have a hub so they get wifi

prisma shell
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wifi is a hub

raw nest
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Yeah but everyone has wifi

prisma shell
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so is any amazon echo thing

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and maybe google?

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they need to advertise that more

raw nest
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Most people don't have a dedicated ZigBee/zwave hub or they have like an echo but don't realize it

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Google doesnt

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Only Echo

prisma shell
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ah right

raw nest
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In comparison everyone pretty much has wifi

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Or a phone with Bluetooth

prisma shell
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i forget will things like the ikea hub pair with other brands?

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❤️ tasmota

raw nest
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Because of that, wifi microcontrollers are super cheap compared to other standards

raw nest
prisma shell
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yeah but the only diff between wifi and zigbee is the software

prisma shell
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that's why I was asking 🙂

raw nest
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Oh I see

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I have no idea

prisma shell
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matter, that's the new combined standard

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part wifi, part zigbee

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I mean it's $8, hard to believe people whine about it

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it's the cost of a starbucks lattee

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oh nm i saw something else

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$70 oops

prisma shell
grim igloo
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no i use z2m

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you can search here and see what someone else said or just wait til someone jumps in

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you can prob google that too tbh

prisma shell
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i've been googling it

sharp birch
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I have one of the Sonoff SNZB-03 Motion Sensors, but Home Assistant keeps adding it as a eWeLink MS01 (Moisture Sensor).. How can I fix this, so it shows up as the correct device make/model/type ?

grim igloo
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Interesting I’ll have to read up

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Now do zooz

lime goblet
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What is frontside vs backside dimming?

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ILI5?

grim igloo
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He kinda did

lime goblet
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Like decreasing the amplitude of it or the frequency?

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I see. I am really hoping the matter device gets released I like the aesthetics of that dimmer

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I would get it just to load stuff on matter basically

grim igloo
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Well GE as a company had been on a downward spiral for how many years now?

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Without gov contracts I think they’d be in bankruptcy. Ge owns enbrighten fyi

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You’re snappy lmao

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I’ll rephrase: the quality of their hardware has been in a downward spiral for years

lime goblet
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Yeah I thought that was skeptical

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I was reading and I am like you make a zigbee dimmer and you are clueless on whats going on the outside world

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like come on man

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I had the wemo dimmer for a day but couldnt install it in my apartment. Its a bit bulky but I love that it has the back connections

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Wish they made it matter compatible. They messed up

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Nah I think they announced they couldnt

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cheap stuff inside

#

same story with nanoleaf

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more $$

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Also that pissed me off too

molten linden
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The Eric active in the forums isn’t an engineer and as far as I know has never claimed to know the technical side. He’s the business side. There is another Eric who is the engineer

lime goblet
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LIke it seems so simple to think people want these features and then just not deliver

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I was referring to the dimmer on eve switch

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I would have loved the eve dimmer! Like the touch stuff

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maybe a slider on the side

grim igloo
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We have plenty of issues on the other side of the fence lol

lime goblet
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The other Eric is his AI sibling

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still needs some elbow greasing

molten linden
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I’ve interacted with both so 🤷🏼‍♂️

grim igloo
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Make an Imgur album dude

tropic depot
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The internals of the inovelli switches are top notch

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All good components

grim igloo
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Good to hear

tropic depot
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they’re trivial to disassemble

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They’re also actually UL certified which isn’t common these days

grim igloo
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Yea we only get ETL for zooz zwave stuff

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However iirc UL is kinda weird in that they certify their own stuff

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So I kinda prefer ETL for how they do it

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Unless I’m missing something / misremembering.

grim igloo
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The main difference between UL and ETL listed products is that ETL doesn’t create its own standards for certification. UL develops standards that are used by other organizations, including ETL.

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quite an interesting distinction imo

autumn warren
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Hey everyone, I'm trying to set up zigbee2mqtt through docker-compose, and I'm able to get the container running and all, but I'm having an issue with the configuration.yaml file. When I'm trying to enable the frontend, I add frontend: true, then I save it. However, after starting the container, I get a notice that the file was changed since my last save and a prompt to reload the file with the changes. When I refresh, the file goes back to how it was before I added the frontend section

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This also happens if I try enabling the Home Assistant integration, adding the section to generate a network key, or anything else. Whatever I put in there gets erased once the container starts back up

austere patio
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Thread+Matter would replace the Zigbee firmware, it's not something you can just "enable". Also, with the amount of additional functionality their switches have, you'd be seriously downgrading by switching it over to a Matter-compliant device restricted to the minimal functionality provided by the spec.

unborn orbit
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It also came down to the timing of the available SI chipset. Current have MG21, newer releases MG24. MG21 are updateable from what I've read just require removing faceplate and using dupont cables whereas MG24 will be OTA capable. If that means a lot to you then I'd just wait for the newer versions

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There have definitely been some issues with their switches since release but at least they seem to own up to it and are actively trying to improve/fix. Their switches are pretty sweet with all the functionality

unborn orbit
trail gorge
#

Hey, I want to move my zigbee devices to my new home assistant machine. I downloaded the existing backup

Has anyone gone through this process before?
Should I just:

  • unplug the zigbee stick from my existing HA
  • Plug it in the new one
  • Add the stick via the ZHA integration
  • Upload a manual backup

And I'll have my devices on the new HA?

prisma shell
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Huh. I have an ikea button that pairs but doesn't seem to fire any events after that. can't reconfigure either

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remove and readd fixed it

grim igloo
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super painless- just backup then restore to new device and zha should automatically grab your stick

trail gorge
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I can't really backup&restore the entire thing as haos has extra stuff in .storage & etc, but I did backup the zha network

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The coordinator is indeed the same, using a conbee II

grim igloo
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yeah there's no problem restoring from a container backup iirc

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OH NVM

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i misread

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container has no restore feature

trail gorge
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Yep, I'm talking about the backup function in the ZHA integration itself

grim igloo
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you gotta manually copy /config or something i'll have to let someone else jump in (nvm thought you meant backup/restore of hass)

trail gorge
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I've redone everything else manually, just need to get ZHA restored, hopefully someone has dealt with this before aand can help out

trail gorge
lilac wharf
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It should be as simple as unarchiving the HA backup and manually copying the files that were in /config (including hidden files) to the new install @trail gorge

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You shouldn't need to do anything with the ZHA network backup at all

grim igloo
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considering ditching the conbee stick is a good option too :x

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i think it's pretty painless on zha for that too

trail gorge
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I appreciate the help, but I have already tried that before setting things up manually and there were a lot of issues, was faster to just add the devices back as most of my devices are zigbee, so non-zigbee was simple

lilac wharf
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Ah, that was unclear from your original message

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(wanting to restore only the Zigbee devices)

grim igloo
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my guess is it involves zigbee.db and not much else

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i think puddly has said before all the fun stuff lives there

lilac wharf
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Possibly. I don't use ZHA so I'm not sure

grim igloo
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you can probably find a detailed step by step guide here if you use the right search terms lol

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same, z2m

autumn warren
# unborn orbit can you share your docker-compose.yaml?

I think It had something to do with my JBOD, even though I had everything working for the past year or so. After a bunch of messing around, I ended switching the storage to a specific drive instead of the mount point of the JBOD and it started working after that

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But thank you for reaching out 🙂

odd mango
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hi! I have a illuminance sensor and a dimmable light. I also have a script running that is checking lux every second if it's at 100lux and sends either decrease of increase dimmer command. It works quite well, however occasionally light goes out totally, and then ramps back up.

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don't see anything in traces and starting wondering where may be the issue. Is it possible that some "decrease" commands can switch off the light?

glossy lintel
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Good morning, So I am still strugling with my damn LQI's

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How does it come my zigbee devices are not connecting to the closest router ? It lookos like they connect purely randomly, and therefore I have values that can go from 130+ to ranges between 0 and 3 (!!!)

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I mean, I would expect my devices to act like my wifi devices, seeking for the best signal, and connect to it, right ?

smoky citrus
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i guess this might be for here...

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Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-01-13 16:06:31: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-01-13 16:06:31: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-01-13 16:06:31: Error: network commissioning timed out - most likely network with the same panId or extendedPanId already exists nearby
    at ZnpAdapterManager.beginCommissioning (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/manager.ts:347:23)
    at ZnpAdapterManager.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/adapter/manager.ts:92:17)
    at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29)
    at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27)
    at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27)
    at start (/app/index.js:107:5)```
glossy lintel
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@smoky citrus I got this a few days ago when switching channels

smoky citrus
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hmm so what do i do though

glossy lintel
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did you do that ?

smoky citrus
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no im just setting this up for the firs time

glossy lintel
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ok do you have other zigbee networks running nearby ?

sour shadow
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What coordinator are you using?

glossy lintel
#

ok I'm tired of these zigbee shitty issues, anyone here knows an on/off switch that works natively with hue hubs ?

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3 weeks I'm trying to stabilize this, I changed channels many time, ran a network analysis using zigpy, ... and I keep getting terrible LQIs

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but they are expensive as hell

vapid osprey
#

Tell me about it - I had a tiny network of just a couple of Aqara sensors that was working without any issues, then the moment I start adding 7 more Aqara sensors it has a meltdown. Despite having four repeaters in the form of power outlets around a modest sized house, the sensors will work fine for a bit, then after a few hours something will happen that makes several random sensors become unavailable (regardless of any repairing). It's using the Skyconnect dongle via USB2 on an extension and I've moved the channel to 25 to avoid interference with wifi and still it refuses to work. Can't believe my old Smartthings setup was a more solid solution than this...

glossy lintel
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same here

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I tried 25 ans same issue happens

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I forced wifi on channel 1 to be sure to be out of range

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I've checked hue and it's running on channel 20, so I disconnected it, and tried again, same shitty LQI values

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so in the end, I have devices that works for a while, then goes to 0 LQI, and I cannot use my buttons to fire my lights anymore

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it's like this for 3 weeks now, I'm sick of it

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so I'm ready to buy any on off switch that actually DO work with the hue hub, which is reliable, without any extender or anything

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it just works

vapid osprey
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Yeah my Hue hasn't been completely without issue (occasionally ignoring motion sensors or switches), but it's never completely dropped a device off the network and refused to work with it again.

glossy lintel
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yeah but look

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thuis is a joke, really

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😄

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one day I move the usb stick, and I get 130+ everywhere, the next day, I get this

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one time I press the hue button, it lights up my room, then it stops working

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and I cannot say "booo these are sonoff deviuces" as IKEA and philips devices gets the same shit LQIs

vapid osprey
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Ah now I haven't got the same comparison on my network as all my zigbee devices that I'm attempting to connect to Home Assistant directly are Aqara ones.

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So I don't know whether other brands might do better

sour shadow
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I have mostly Aqara and zero issues

hot isle
#

Hello I'm searching for a module wich can be put in a 220v IP55 exterior outlet, to act as a repeater, and possibly follow consumption. I always only found things doing switch, and dont need that

smoky citrus
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i actually implemented zdongle e

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but i fouond there was a limit

vapid osprey
sour shadow
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My mesh is mostly Innr plugs for the routers, with some Tradfri and Gledopto

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I use the Sonoff P stick with Z2M (the E has issues), and on channel 25, away from WiFi

vapid osprey
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Ok so the one thing that stands out to me there is the fact you're on Z2M whereas I'm on ZHA (because I couldn't get Z2M to actually work). The coordinator I don't think is the issue as both my Skyconnect and previously Sonoff have had the same problem.

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Might give Z2M another crack

sour shadow
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For Z2M use a CC2652 based stick, nothing else

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The Skyconnect and anything else EZSP based is "experimental"

vapid osprey
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My Sonoff is the Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, so I'm pretty would have fit that remit. I'll give it another try.

sour shadow
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It's highly unlikely that switching between ZHA and Z2M will make any difference, given that the software has no say in the mesh, but ... you lose nothing but time

vapid osprey
glossy lintel
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good luck 🙂

smoky citrus
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i had issues with the EZSP

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i couldnt add more than 48 devices

south moth
#

Is there a better Zigbee stick than Sonoff? The signal is so weak that it looses devices next to it all the time. I’m getting tired of readding them

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Better would mean more stable

sour shadow
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Which Sonoff?

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The P is fine

south moth
sour shadow
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Which one?

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There's no "USB 3 plus"

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There's multiple Zigbee 3, and at least two Plus models

south moth
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SONOFF ZigBee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus, TI CC2652P Coördinator

sour shadow
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That's fine

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Sounds like you have too few routers/the routers are too far away/you have interference

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Direct range between any two devices is maybe 6 to 8 meters if you have drywall/plasterboard

south moth
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Well , how this explains it loosing devices 3 meters around the corner?

sour shadow
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What material are the walls made of?

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Did you put the Sonoff on a USB extension cable?

south moth
rapid dawnBOT
#

@south moth When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

sour shadow
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Well, two of those are great signal blockers

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Did you scan for WiFi interference and pick a Zigbee channel, or did you just hit the default channel for your Zigbee integration?

south moth
sour shadow
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@south moth you can

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@south moth turn off

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@south moth the pings

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@south moth you know

sour shadow
sour shadow
south moth
karmic topaz
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HI all! I have two IKEA roll-up blinds and one of them refuses to stay connected to zigbee2mqtt after firmware update. I see in the logs it joins, gets interviewed and the leaves the network. Any ideas on how I can troubleshoot this further?

I read in the forums that sometimes these blinds just die out of nowhere, but my issues really started with the firmware update or at least shortly after that.

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I had a binding group for this blind, which I removed, but still getting the same issue.

scarlet spire
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Hello, I am trying to connect a Ptm215z switch with my sonoff zigbee 3.0 stick. But it isn't found by the stick. I have hue bulbs in my zigbee network. The zigbee connection log doesn't seem to find the switch even when following https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/PTM_215Z.html
Tried channel 15 (which is the channel of the stick) and even 11... no luck

sour shadow
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Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

smoky citrus
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i added lights and switches but i dont see it in dashboard, @sour shadow asked me to check on the states and they are not in there

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anyway i can fix this?

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i can strangely control them in zigbee2mqtt tab

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like if i go in there i can see { "brightness": 254, "color_mode": "color_temp", "color_temp": 370, "linkquality": 47, "state": "ON", "update": { "installed_version": 65554, "latest_version": 65554, "state": "idle" } }

last ruin
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In z2m configuration.yaml I've set covers to have position_open at 85 so they don't go all the way up. If I have a switch with automation to open the blinds but also have a binding directly, will it ignore that setting?

sour shadow
smoky citrus
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ehhh

# 
user: mqtt-user
password: mqttpasswd
keepalive: 60
reject_unauthorized: true
version: 4
base_topic: zigbee2mqtt
sour shadow
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If you did, I bet you didn't set it to an actual URL 😉

smoky citrus
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this?

sour shadow
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That looks to be the mqtt section, which isn't anything to do with the frontend

smoky citrus
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the first time i set it up with zdongle e

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i didnt do anything

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and it appeared

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mmm

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i switched to zdongle p

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and its not appearing

sour shadow
rapid dawnBOT
#

@smoky citrus I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
smoky citrus
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this is my config

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ah sorry i should have put it in a pastebin

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i can see all the devices in my configuration.yaml

sour shadow
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Also, if you're using ``` then remember to have those on their own line

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Now check the HA log file

smoky citrus
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hmm blank?

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under /mnt/data/supervisor/homeassistant

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home-assistant.log is blank

glossy lintel
#

is there a way for me to check if my zigbee stick firmware flash might have failed ?

smoky citrus
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im lost.

glossy lintel
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I'm really out of ideas on why the LQI's are so bad

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so I'm thinking about re-flashing the unit

glossy lintel
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can we filter Z2M logs on multiple text blocks ?

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I've tried to separate vallues using commas , ; & ...

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nothing seems to work

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ok filtering on 'zigbee2mqtt/Salle de bain - hue magic button/action' actually shows all states which is fine

mighty river
#

Why does one of my Aqara sensors not have any routing visualized in ZHA? Is this a problem? I've already once randomly lost connection to it a couple of days ago. It should have multiple routers nearby to connect to.

sour shadow
glossy lintel
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hmmm @sour shadow

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reading this I see USB autosuspend is enabled by default in HAOS

rapid dawnBOT
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@glossy lintel Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

glossy lintel
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ok

sour shadow
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I don't use HAOS, I don't know or care about how it behaves at that level

harsh quest
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Hi, I'm totally newbie with zigbee2mqtt, how can I tell MQTT to listen Z2M messages?

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I did some searchs in google but can't find the right way to make my devices appear too in HA (at least the entities) in Z2M appears all but MQTT can't access the messages

dire owl
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hey all, any idea what this means? Shows up in my logs sometimes. ZHA/ConbeeII

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Logger: zigpy_deconz.api
Source: runner.py:120
First occurred: 1:34:42 AM (3 occurrences)
Last logged: 10:02:18 AM

No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x0f'
Duplicate or delayed response for 0x:cb sequence
No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0xcb'

odd mango
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are there non-russian products like this?

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din monted raspberry with zigbee

austere patio
dire owl
floral plinth
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So I picked up a sengled hub as I was going to try and scrape new firmware for all my bulbs for OTA updates and it turns out the bulbs are already on the latest.

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lol

smoky citrus
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any one have any idea on why my lights/switches are not showing up in the dashboard?

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ive been searching on the web but nothing. im lost

raven jewel
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What Zigbee integration are you using?

smoky citrus
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situation is : i was stupid and bought the zdongle E with the EZSP. found that there's a limit to 32 devices, had issues for days. decided fuck it. i'll buy the zdongle P instead. Deleted everything and setup z2m again, but failed. Redeployed haos 9.4 fresh. flashed zdongle p again. setup z2m. seemed to go well until i realise that in "overview" there's just weather and users.

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Setup: Proxmox 73 ve, haos 9.4, zdongle P, z2m

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I have 12 aqara switches 2 tuya switches 48 ikea lights

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someone told me that if i dont see them in dev tools -> states something is wrong

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i see it in z2m tab though

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ive already added everything

smoky citrus
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i dont know if this is the righ tplace to ask.

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i have half the mind to just delete everything and redeploy it again

raven jewel
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E doesn't have a 32 device limit, it's just only got experimental support in Zigbee2MQTT

smoky citrus
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i couldnt add more than 48

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even if it was a sub child device

raven jewel
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But I suspect you missed the setting up of Mosquitto and the MQTT settings

smoky citrus
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mosquitto and mqtt i followed a youtube vid

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i could add

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and i could control them

raven jewel
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Did you compare it with the documentation?

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Videos get out of date incredibly quickly

smoky citrus
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hmm i just screwed over my setup somehow

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i cannot access home assistant after installing vs code server

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O_o

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i know that sounds impossible

raven jewel
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Well, I suspect you've used too much memory

smoky citrus
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too much mem?

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ok lemme try and allocate more maybe

weak quarry
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Hi all,
I have a suddenly and intermittent issue with ZZH! stick running ZHA.
It has been working perfectly for about 1year, but now it is suddenly acting up.
https://pastebin.com/uTXkmhZz
Anyone who can guide me in the correct direction?

raven jewel
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Are you using the serial id of the device or the ttyusb0 like one?

smoky citrus
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@raven jewel me? im using serial id

raven jewel
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No, Fred

smoky citrus
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ah ok

weak quarry
weak quarry
raven jewel
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Then update your coordinator to match.

harsh quest
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Can someone help me with any tutorial for zigbee2mqtt and MQTT please? I'm trying to make it runs but seems like MQTT does not sees z2m messages 🥹

scarlet spire
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Dang it, it seems to be zha

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That will be the problem surely?

sterile sleet
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not a problem but maybe you need to work out some quirks for it

scarlet spire
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Oke thank you. Will try 🙂

broken sedge
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Anyone got this door/window sensor up and running and can tell me how fast the state updates? I got a few wifi sensors that update rather slow, but also a few zigbee motion sensor that update just as slow as on WiFi (like 1-3 seconds) but since remotes on zigbee work near instantly I'm hoping a door sensor should also be as fast.

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/ZG-102ZL.html

raven jewel
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I have Aqara sensors and they're instant.

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I use them on my wardrobe to turn on lights inside and they're genuinely great.

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I wouldn't buy Tuya if you can avoid it.

odd mango
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hey. is there a detailed guide to migrate zha -> z2m?

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I'd like to preserve everything

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all entities

opal chasm
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hey I have started to get issues with my EZSP(tubeszb-efr32-MGM210-poe) - I can't adopt new devices(f.e. ikea tradfri remotes or tuya smartplugs) but also relearning some old devices or creating bindings fails. Also i am at the "magical" cornerstone of 30ish devices. What/where would be a good way to start debugging? Is there a good way to organize the ZHA Logs a bit? It is very spammy.

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The behaviour seems to be for the TS011F Plugs to reconnect/disconnect frequently during pairing - ZHA sees them and can interact but the device keeps blinking. Then after a few minutes it goes permanently dark(assumingly it aborts pairing due to timeout) - firmware is current via the Tuya Gateway. The remote i try to keep active by pressing buttons but it is seen and then disconnects permanently.

molten linden
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one place to look in the debug logging is the ezsp counters. If you can post one of the outputs from that after the network has been up a good bit. One of the counts will show if packets are not going out because of interference

smoky citrus
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bought a sonoff zdongle p and everything is working.

molten linden
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This isn’t normal I use an efr32 coordinator and have 150+ devices. 🤷🏼‍♂️

opal chasm
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if you talk about the devil :P yea i figured as much

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i considered reaching out to you about this but this might as well just an issue with my setup... and since I would for now say the issue is not the POE GW itself... i saw no issue in hunting you down directly. the only thing i am curious about... how do i find out which firmware version runs on the EFR32? the last firmware you supply for that type is from the end of october 2022(and you shipped my device 2 days after the release on github). long shot but worth a check i guess.

molten linden
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If PoE it’s def what’s on GitHub 6.10.3 I may push out a 7.2 after the next . Release

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Fw updates should be easier with the work puddly has done on a new flasher for efr32

molten linden
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Like I said check the ezsp counters and feel free to dm me. They have a good bit of info useful for diagnosing issues.

opal chasm
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ezsp counters?

molten linden
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if you enable bellows and zigpy debug they will be in the log

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they print out every few seconds.

opal chasm
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thank you

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one thing i am asking myself... i migrated from conbee2 to a CC2652(via a sonoff stick and then to a tubesz based one) radio to the current EFR32 one. can this have any issues on the network stability?

south moth
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One more thing. How come Sonoff keeps loosing a signal repeater (Ikea) but keeps the Aqara sensors next to it? Or does offline mean smth else for Zha

molten linden
trail gorge
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Hey friends, is it possible to update the firmware on my Ikea Fyrtur blinds from home assistant somehow, or do I need to get an ikea hub? A link to some documentation would be amazing if anyone can help

hollow chasm
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Z2M can update the firmware. Not sure about ZHA since I've never used it

mellow geode
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For IKEA devices, you just need this in your configuration.yaml:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    ota:
      ikea_provider: true

Restart HA and then send the update command (via a service call to the blinds)

sweet kayak
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hi guys, i'm looking for zigbee double switch that has function to detach switches (so when i push switch it wont power off device, just send event to haos) something like shelly 1L, is there something that uses zigbee?

raven jewel
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That's also called smart bulb mode or bypass mode. What country are you in and do you have a neutral wire?

sweet kayak
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Europe/Poland, no neutral wire unfortunately.

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not sure if new sonoff mini extreme l has this option did not find any info about that

nova forge
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Not sure if they're available in EU but the Inovelli Blue series are zigbee, can do smart bulb mode and don't require a neutral. (if installed in a single-pole setup and not part of a multi-way switch)

sweet kayak
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@nova forge thanks but need something in-wall, i would like to preserve my current switches

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btw. never understood why there are screws visible, looks ugly

nova forge
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Yeah, I don't like the visible screws so I've replaced all mine with the Leviton screwless plates.

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I'm curious if anyone can suggest a temperature sensor that can monitor high heat? I have a steam room and a sauna I would like to put sensors in and monitor the temperatures and take certain actions based on heat (like change lighting color). I have an aqara in there now but it looks like it's maxing out at 149* (~65* C). I actually don't care if it's zigbee or zwave.

turbid drum
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any idea why a zigbee hue bulb would not respect the setting in it's config to stay off after power outage?
(zigbee2MQTT)

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I have 3 bulbs... 1 of them stays off... the other 2 (which have the same settings as the 1), don't stay off

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all 3 bulbs on the same power switch, so power conditions are the same

turbid drum
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Ugh... As it turns out.. The store I bought them from had 2 identical looking but different bulbs... So... 1 is a different model... Hench... Different behavior. God... I wish there was a smart devices store where people actually understood what they were selling.

raven jewel
grim igloo
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Owned by someone in community or something?

raven jewel
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I found them through LocalBytes who they link out to, but it's a community member

turbid drum
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that is a brand of smart devices?

raven jewel
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No, they sell a number of brands.

turbid drum
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I see

barren ridge
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i just migrated my Home Assistant setup from a raspberry pi, to a new server running Proxmox. I have a sonoff zigbee dongle to manage my zigbee devices, which has been added to my HA vm, but it seems the dongle isn't receiving data from the zigbee devices. Do i need go to each device and hit reconfigure in device on HA to get them to connect to the dongle?

trail gorge
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Does the cable length for the zigbee controller matter much? Shoould it be as short as possible?

sour shadow
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You want it to be long enough to move the stick away from the computer and all that interference - very short is pointless

grim igloo
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i've been using 10ft long ones on both zigbee and zwave sticks fwiw

stable nacelle
#

Hi, I just added installed a Moes Zigbee dimmer. However, the dimming is not working correctly as I need to change the dimming range from inside the Tuya app. But as my Zigbee coordinator is home assistant and I don't have a Tuya hub, I don't have a way to access it from the Tuya app nor do I have access to this setting with ZHA. Is there any way for me to solve this?

trail gorge
sour shadow
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Should be fine, but the quality of the cable also matters

trail gorge
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Do you have any experience with cables received for logitech/razer peripherals? I'd assume since they're bigger brands they should be fine but I've never actually opened one up

sour shadow
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None

trail gorge
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For IKEA devices you just need this in

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Thank you Tinkerer for always helping out, I really appreciate it!

dusk crest
finite jay
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Hi. I bought 3 IKEA GU10 RGB lamps (LED1923R5). I'm using zigbee2mqtt. I tried to add just one lamp and after some tries I managed to do it. So I installed the other 2 lamps. The first one gave an error. In home assistant, zigbee2mqtt page, it showed an error sign (a yellow triangle). The other 2 are ok. I tried everything but the first one never gets discovered. Any clue on what is the problem and how to solve it?
I think this is the error: failed (Data request failed with error: 'MAC no ack' (233)))

sharp berry
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Hi, hopefully it's ok to ask this question here...
If I have some Philips Hue bulbs that are currently not being discovered by the ZHA integration, but are discoverable by Zigbee2MQTT, how would I go about adding support (or requesting support) for these bulbs?

trail gorge
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On some zigbee wall switches I have two entities even though they have a single switch, one is called "on_off" and turning it on or off does not seem to do anything. What is that switch for?

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I actually have two on_off toggles and one switch*

finite jay
austere patio
sharp berry
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Same Zigbee USB coordinator is being used.

austere patio
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Zigbee devices join a network, they aren't searched for

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Though if the same stick is used with ZHA and with Z2M, the same settings are as well, unless you set ZHA up from scratch and erase all settings when setting it up

sharp berry
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Could it be that certain Zigbee devices aren't supported by ZHA, which in turn could affect their ability to be found?

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I decided to start fresh with ZHA just to clean up my network.

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I can confirm devices have been reset properly.

austere patio
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What's probably happening is that your Hue bulbs need to be reset with a remote. Z2M always starts up and writes its (usually hard-coded) network settings to your stick, so even if you "start from scratch" with Z2M, it'll still form the exact same network as before

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So if your device is never actually fully reset, it never searches for a new network, it just connects to its old one, which Z2M treats as a new join

sharp berry
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So Blakadder lists that this bulb does not support ZHA, why would that be?

austere patio
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His database is user-reported. If someone says it works, he adds it to the DB.

sharp berry
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I've reset my bulb multiple times with a Hue remote.

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There's no chance the bulbs have the saved network key as you mentioned.

austere patio
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Try changing your Z2M network key and see if it joins a new Z2M network

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And change the Z2M default channel from 11 to 15

sharp berry
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I'm trying to migrate from Z2M to ZHA.

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My existing Z2M network used channel 25 with a unique network key.

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I'm wanting to migrate over to ZHA since it's integrated a bit better with HA. So I decided I'd start fresh w/ ZHA. Dongle is the same, same USB port on my RPi.

austere patio
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Device support is only a factor after a device joins the network, since everything before and up to then is handled entirely by the firmware. If it doesn't decide to join the network, either there is a massive difference in RF noise between the channel Z2M was using (25) and ZHA's default for a fresh network (15), or the device isn't fully reset and is refusing to scan for a new network

proven narwhal
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Anyone have any issues with Skyconnect dongle showing up in Home Assistant OS Generic x86?

austere patio
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If 25 worked before, stick to 25. ZHA may have taken a network backup of your stick before you reset it, which you can restore. If not, start up Z2M again with an old backup and set up ZHA again but choose to keep existing network settings. You can also set channel 25 in the ZHA YAML config and form a new network, or use the backup/restore functionality and edit backup JSON before restoring. It'll then pick up existing bulbs and mains-powered devices pretty quickly if it's taking over an existing network.

austere patio
proven narwhal
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not detected at all

austere patio
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What OS? Hypervisor? VM?

proven narwhal
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generic-x86 install on a SSD

austere patio
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Ah, that generic x86_64

proven narwhal
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sorry, let me see if I can get more details

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I don't recall which one I picked when I installed it, old HP laptop so I flashed the SSD and used it for setup