the-water-cooler

[umbral cliff]

Vote for whoever aligns closer with your views

[distant jewel]

Muslims in France did that in last election

Voted for Macron instead of far-right extremist Le Penn

with number can't they count from 2nd onwards?

[umbral cliff]

If your first vote doesn’t come first then yes it goes to a vote for number 2 and so on

Your number 1 still gets money from your vote

[distant jewel]

in this case, 2 onwards can be counted

[umbral cliff]

What?

If you mark anything other than 1 to X on your ballot paper it’s counted as invalid and ignored

[distant jewel]

but you are not fined bcz it can't be traced

[young sigil]

But you just wasted your vote.

[umbral cliff]

Correct. You can also just make up an excuse to them and they’ll accept it and you don’t waste your time either

Hell request a postal vote and say “oh I sent it” when they ask and you won’t get fined

[glacial knot]

takes me about as much time as voting in person o.0
though that's because I live in sight distance of the polling station

[distant jewel]

not my vote, I am not in Australia.

[young sigil]

Well that's good.

[distant jewel]

But I did vote for Imran Khan

[clear ferry]

Reminds me of my MIL, just doesn't respond to customer satisfaction surveys when she isn't happy with a vendor

that'll show them

[distant jewel]

Why you are allowed to take a photo of your vote?

At least your vote should be secret.

[young sigil]

<#the-water-cooler message>

[hushed basalt]

There's a difference between private and secret

Or secrecy and secret

Basically. You can tell or show anyone who you voted for

[glacial knot]

no

sane secret vote systems explicitly prevent that

[hushed basalt]

But you can't attempt to reveal or coerce the reveal of someone else's vote

Why

Australia has been carrying on like this fine since Federation without problem

I think you're imagining problems

At least we don't have those crazy electronic voting machines

[umbral cliff]

The people counting your vote don’t know who you voted for

[umbral cliff]

NSW council elections tried that. Failed badly

[hushed basalt]

NSW is also the most corrupt state in Aus

[umbral cliff]

Lmao

[hushed basalt]

So it tracks

But if someone wants to walk me through a hypothetical of how taking a photo of a piece of paper in your private booth will lead to the downfall of democracy be my guest

[glacial knot]

so #the-water-cooler message holds anything close to truth

[umbral cliff]

What?

[hushed basalt]

I don't follow

[hushed basalt]

Lotsssss of money to be made if you control land rezoning

[glacial knot]

various protections manifest in a ban of doing something voluntarily to prevent coercion. Talking about who you voted for is fine. Providing proof is prohibited to prevent coercion.

[hushed basalt]

I've never seen or heard any instance of that happening here, and I doubt anyone I would ask would say anything differently

I mean people who post photos are just attention seeking/needy,

I don't think I've actually come across any photos that weren't invalid votes

[umbral cliff]

This guys vote #the-water-cooler message

[low harness]

Leaving an invalid or a blank vote can be a way to show dissatisfaction. Certainly better than some I’ve seen…

[low harness]

Never thought about this, but it makes sense.

[glacial knot]

works the same for employee protection
I'm allowed to work overtime, but only within limits. Going over will have legal implications for me, my direct supervisor and the company as a whole
while that is annoying to some degree, it makes sure that nobody in their right mind would ignore the protections. On any position

express stated goal there: combat "voluntary" excessive overtime by company culture and/or promotion paths depending on it

[young sigil]

You know how Scott Morrison was called ScoMo, does that mean Anthony Albanese is going to be called AnAl?

[umbral cliff]

Bahahaha. Well I hope not as I don’t wanna describe our PM as anal
But I’m sure over the next 3 years we will get some more nicknames than just albo or anal lol

[hushed basalt]

Touche

[forest edge]

did i read above that you all have to pay to vote? or was that a reference to a fine?

[static schooner]

Compulsory voting for national elections was introduced in Australia in 1924, following a pronounced fall in turnout at the 1922 federal election.

[clear ferry]

we have right under 80% turnout mostly

which is quite good

[low harness]

80-90 % in Sweden. Election day always being a sunday and providing free busses or taxis for people who can't get there by themselves probably helps.

[forest edge]

could you imagine the shit show of that here in the states lol

[static schooner]

it would be epic

[forest edge]

there is already so much complaining about people having problems being able to vote.. it be chaos lol

[orchid rose]

Now take a look at the EU elections 👀

55% for Sweden, 40% for Finland, yikes

Norway isn't eligible since they are an EU colony

[low harness]

Yeah... that's bad

[finite atlas]

all parties fail that part

[clear ferry]

We are sane you see

Economically independent

still need to abide by stupid EU rules though through EEA

[finite atlas]

imo norway did it right with not joining the eu, less stupid rules they have to follow

[low harness]

Whenever anyone says that I run off to google to find stupid Norwegian laws and always come up disappointed.

I mean, there are lists, but all of them make perfect sense or are the same in Sweden.

[clear ferry]

Yes

we are quite sensible people

[low harness]

It's illegal to read your spouses text messages. Ha! Silly norwegians and their propensity for perfectly reasonable personal boundaries!

You can't leave your car by the roadside without marking it with a reflective triangle. Well, duh! Have you been to Northern Europe in the winter? Finding an invisible car on the road is one of my nightmares.

[clear ferry]

You mean in perpetual darkness of winter

[low harness]

It's illegal to die in Longyearbyen. At least that's something.

[clear ferry]

Well

It is illegal to die on Svalbard

not just Longyearbyen

[glacial knot]

it's illegal to die in quite a couple of places

[low harness]

Disneyland comes to mind.

[clear ferry]

That is the most german thing I've heard in a while

NEIN

[finite atlas]

JA

[clear ferry]

DU KANNST NICHT TOTEN HIER

[finite atlas]

xd

DO YOU MEINEN STERBEN?

[clear ferry]

My German is passable

DU WILLST VERSTEHEN

[finite atlas]

JA

[clear ferry]

Being understood in 9 languages must be worth something

[finite atlas]

why do you know that many?

[clear ferry]

I'm easily bored

And I'm musically inclined, so linguistics come natually to me

[glacial knot]

how's your Japanese coming along?

[clear ferry]

It's fine

I learn new words every day

katekana and hiregana is almost fluent

My wife gives me the wtf face everytime I stop One Piece to read the name of the episode now

She says I'm improving

[glacial knot]

fluent Katana o.0

[clear ferry]

I've given up kanji

Since usually it is written over anyway

[glacial knot]

I bought the OVs of SpyxFamily. They are fully furigana, which makes it pretty comfy

because you only consume kids shows 😂

[clear ferry]

At first I read futanari

That was wrong

[glacial knot]

you ignored me calling Katakana Katana and then that 😄

[clear ferry]

I just thought you slipped on your enter key

LIKE EIN PROPER GERMAN

[glacial knot]

hey, she slipped on her mouse!

[clear ferry]

SHIT, ICH PRESSED IT AGAIN, VATER!

I've been reading half german for 20 years now

because there is a german dwarf that is married to a norwegian cartoon character

[glacial knot]

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/who-beatrix-von-storch-german-afd-mp-blocked-twitter-barbaric-gang-raping-muslim-rant-1653347 just text search for "slipped"

[clear ferry]

So, since insurance is totalling my car, I'm guessing I'm gonna buy an EV

[glacial knot]

is that your secondary?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[glacial knot]

Polestar next?

[clear ferry]

Probably not

Leaf is the likely candidate now

2019\2020

Since it will only be used 1-2 days a week, for medium commute to train and or capitol

[glacial knot]

isn't that tiny?

[clear ferry]

It only needs to fit 1 or 2 people, or 1 person and a kidseat

The eUP! was too small

the ID.3 and the eGOLF are too expensive

[glacial knot]

do they at least have mroe range then?

[clear ferry]

The eGOLF is either 200\300km, the ID.3 is 420km, the Leaf is 385km, the eUP! is 220km

all in summer

the Leaf also starts at 60% of the price of the ID.3

eUP! was €13k, eGolf starts at €22k, fully specced leaf is at €28k and ID.3 is €35k+

[glacial knot]

that eGOLF range his horrible o.0

[clear ferry]

The New eGolf is 300 in summer

but only 200 in winter

which is, just not good enough

The leaf is 385\280 respectivly

the ID3 is 420\320

and the eUP! is 220\140

according to the tests I've seen

So, leaf is almost as good in range, as good space, much better price and has a better track record

better in all regards

Question is, is it good to drive

[glacial knot]

how much power does the leaf have? 90ish HP?

[clear ferry]

215bhp

340nm

[glacial knot]

uhh, fun

[clear ferry]

Eh, it'll be a slowpoke compared to the XC90

[glacial knot]

for anything <100kph? probably not by much

[clear ferry]

The XC90 does 0-100 in 5.6seconds, the leaf does it in 7.3, not that much different tbh

I was expecting 9seconds

[static schooner]

sssslllloooowwww

[clear ferry]

I looked at increasing my mortage now, apparently my house has increased €80k in value since last I checked

https://tenor.com/O3P2.gif

Real video of tinkerer trying to catch up to someone being wrong about something

[glacial knot]

How does it get to be that much slower than the EV6 at similar power o.0

[static schooner]

No excuse for electric cars not to be much faster

[clear ferry]

The EV6 was interesting

but fuck is it expensive

€65k after subsidies

[glacial knot]

If you don’t get the GT version, you’ve got a 0-to-100 km/h time of just 5.2 seconds (long-range option) or 6.2 seconds (standard-range version).
The 5.2 should be the 168kWh variant

[clear ferry]

and no 800v chargers in my area

[pallid willow]

How far HA has come after 30k+ commits:

Home Assistant
 ==============

 Home Assistant automatically switches the lights on and off based on nearby devices and the position of the sun.

 It is currently able to do the following things:
  * Turn on the lights when one of the tracked devices is nearby
 @@ -14,10 +14,10 @@ Installation instructions
 -------------------------

 * install python modules [PyEphem](http://rhodesmill.org/pyephem/), [Requests](http://python-requests.org) and [PHue](https://github.com/studioimaginaire/phue)
 * Clone the repository `git clone https://github.com/balloob/home-assistant.git`.
 * Copy home-assistant.conf.default to home-assistant.conf and adjust the config values to match your setup.
   * For Tomato you will have to not only setup your host, username and password but also a http_id. The http_id can be retrieved by going to the admin console of your router, view the source of any of the pages and search for `http_id`.
 * Setup PHue by running `python -m phue --host HUE_BRIDGE_IP_ADDRESS` from the commandline.
 * The first time the script will start it will create a file called `tomato_known_devices.csv` which will contain the detected devices. Adjust the track variable for the devices you want the script to act on and restart the script.

 Done. Start it now by running `python start.py`

[velvet horizon]

@pallid willow posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/zabusoyaza

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bLPd1.gif

[glacial knot]

EV6 is fun. single pedal drive is comfy

[clear ferry]

All EVs have that now

I like it

Some do it better

Didn't like it on the polestar

loved it on the fiat

[glacial knot]

what's the difference? Strength of the recuperation?

[clear ferry]

How smooth it is

some are jagged when you release the pedal

id3 was also ok

and the volvo c40 was fine too

[glacial knot]

I only tried it in the EV6 and it felt very natural

[clear ferry]

The perks of doing rental cars a lot

I get to try a lot of different vehicles

[orchid rose]

They didn't join because they want to fish and not share their fisheries. They follow basically every EU rule but without the ability to vote

[clear ferry]

I've been upgraded to Tesla Model S twice

but shit that car is a downgrade

I thought the first one was a dud

[finite atlas]

how so?

[clear ferry]

so I accepted it again

Shit drive comfort, horrible seats

It's fun to accelerate, that's about it

I'll do an ID.3 over a Model S any day

The Model X is fine

[finite atlas]

cant you bring it into a car shop, that swaps out the seats for more comfortable ones?

[clear ferry]

No idea, I would never buy a Tesla

[pallid willow]

me with my Toyota Prius watching this conversation

[clear ferry]

Prius is a fine vehicle

[finite atlas]

me without a car at all participating in this convo

[clear ferry]

There is nothing wrong with it at least

I'd rather have that than a Model S

[finite atlas]

my grandparents i live with, have a toyota yaris xp9 with a 1l petrol engine
not comfortable, not fast, but gets you places cheap

[clear ferry]

The only thing that grinds my gears with the Toyota hybrids is they do a firework fanfare

if you drive well

YOU DID GREAT

5 out of 5 stars

Piss off

[glacial knot]

😂

that sounds annoying

I'd try to get 1/5 every time

[clear ferry]

I tried once

Didn't work

[pallid willow]

Congratulations! You get to keep your driver’s license!

[clear ferry]

That has only been questioned a few times

I've driven cars for 20 years this fall, and I've only ever been stopped for speeding once, stopped for tailgating once and been snapped in a speedcam twice

😄

And I drive 40.000km per year some years

[pallid willow]

lucky duck

[finite atlas]

how dare you do minor mistakes atx, i thought you were perfect ):

[pallid willow]

somehow when I park publicly some guy always gives me a ticket for no reason

[clear ferry]

I'm perfect in the areas that count @finite atlas

I have a huge.....

ego

[pallid willow]

mostly the court is like "bruh this makes no sense" and gets rid of the ticket

[finite atlas]

and belly! great to cuddle with

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bolQQ.gif

I'm probably also somewhere on some spectrum in terms of my ability to learn new things in less than a week, usually on the plane ride to the customer site

[pallid willow]

can you learn c in a week?

[clear ferry]

Probably not

[pallid willow]

4 years and still have zero clue what i'm doing

[clear ferry]

I can read mostly any code

I can't write any myself

I gave up programming in 1999

I can modify code enough to fix stuff, or see what the issue is

[pallid willow]

yeah, same

i'm pretty "fluent" (if that's the right word) in python and shell scripting

i can do c# if i tried, cpp is a lost cause

[clear ferry]

I can however learn an entire enterprise array setup in a 1h flight

Or write the switch config for a 7 switch stack in less than an hour

[pallid willow]

see that’s what I want to be able to do

[clear ferry]

Without seeing the switch

[pallid willow]

instead configuring a cisco switch takes a lot of pain and forum posts

unless its makeri - fricking awesome stuff

[clear ferry]

I switch fluently between Cisco Nexus + Catalyst \ H3C \ Procurve, less fluently between Cisco ACI \ Juniper \ Mellanox

[pallid willow]

yeah, i try to use mellanox

i've got a working config going now

[clear ferry]

Mellanox IB is fine, Mellanox Eth is.. eh

Comware is my favorite of all

[finite atlas]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/05/21/25115e87bd9eeeb9.jpg

some daily raccoon

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bh6IV.gif

Reminds me, I was gonna send some DIMMs to an american nerd on disability

I recently aquired 80+ 16GB DDR3 dimms

[orchid rose]

atx has turned into a raccoon too. Is this the new plague they are talking about in the news?

[clear ferry]

Monkeybumps are replaced by Raccoonhumps

Here I thought I was gonna calibrate my 3d printer today

but I'm sorting and folding 2 bags of kids clothing

https://open.spotify.com/track/6XBL2dWqxwNrYd28mgzObU?si=4ada5238a37f4003

[umbral cliff]

Guessing no. Given on most modern cars now the airbag & restraint system is linked to the seat sensors and a bunch of other stuff. So if the seats are replaced and don’t match it’ll kick a hissy fit

[forest edge]

not nice to call @green inlet a nerd.

[forest edge]

@static schooner you can see a 3 next to the 4. really shows the difference lol https://youtu.be/MznA3mjcIwU

still don't like the step on the 4. if they come out with a ramp like they did for the L3 that would be a lot better

[static schooner]

Wow, that's totally different

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/ukbkqeo81v091.jpg

[finite atlas]

no, no one except atx & the bosses

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

they blame the price hikes on covid but the real reason is to narrow the gap from wage increase

[clear ferry]

The us has wage increase?

I refuse to believe it

[forest edge]

tell me about it. now our janitors make more money then any norwegian.. crazy times

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

homelab server? I don't think the exchange in your garage counts as "home"lab 😂

[forest edge]

pretty sure he's not referring to "lab" in that way, more like something you'd see on mystery science theater 3000

[clear ferry]

Lab? Where?

[glacial knot]

am I allowed to tilt my laptop?

[clear ferry]

[shadow prawn]

Never gonna give it up

[low harness]

Ok. That was a good one.

[glacial knot]

couple days ago I added a random account that sent me a friend invite (I know, I know, CyberSecurity!) Sent them a message who they are
Just saw that they renamed themselves to "System Messages" and back to the discord icon for PFP 😂 Totally not a scammer

[prisma barn]

thanks home assistant

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-to-play-a-game-play-time-play-game-saw-gif-16238278

[azure pumice]

Due to the great feedback for the first video... i did it again 🙂
Any feedback is welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxycOWwRhMI

[hearty depot]

ever heard of gron?
Awesome CLI tool for json data

 gron 'http://www.wienerlinien.at/ogd_realtime/monitor?rbl=131'
json = {};
json.data = {};
...
json.data.monitors[0].lines[0].barrierFree = true;
json.data.monitors[0].lines[0].departures.departure[1].departureTime.countdown = 12;
json.data.monitors[0].lines[0].departures.departure[1].departureTime.timePlanned = "2022-05-23T15:01:30.000+0200";
json.data.monitors[0].lines[0].departures.departure[1].departureTime.timeReal = "2022-05-23T15:04:39.000+0200";

It basically tells you the jq command /value template for Homeassistant

found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEHq6f8RsM

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/german-little-gif-11677190

[forest edge]

wow another mission impossible movie coming out

cruise is 60.. MI8 he'll fashion a cane

[cunning onyx]

Yeah but his cane will have a grappling hook in it.

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5gMXkzUD1dmxmSPX7KTqLy?si=whG7eD3-RSO-PMJAeiC8kw&utm_source=copy-link

[dull chasm]

Hold up first world problem I can’t find speaker stands I like

A tragedy

[clear ferry]

Just make one

Sodoma has a dremel

[dull chasm]

Prolly gonna have too

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/OJtzuZIO-88

[dull chasm]

I have dremel but too small for my needs

[clear ferry]

I'm buying an EV next week probably

[dull chasm]

F a ev I keep my good ole v8

[forest edge]

the Buddy looks right up your ally

[clear ferry]

It'll either be a Nissan leaf or a VW ID.3

Haven't decided yet

[forest edge]

no no, you get a Buddy.. so we can laugh at you

[dull chasm]

F250 diesel with 500 hp. Do it you could be the redneck of Norway

[clear ferry]

Enough rednecks in my area already

I have 410bhp in the family car already, enough by far

2l engine pew pew

[dull chasm]

410 is lame

Unless in a tractor then awesome

[forest edge]

20 years from now Norway will be the leading country and electro car waste lol

[clear ferry]

We already are

[dull chasm]

2l we have golf carts with that kinda displacement

[clear ferry]

It isn't economical to repair them

[dull chasm]

So they are good how?

[clear ferry]

Cheap, subsidized, runs basically free

And no local pollution

[dull chasm]

I think subsidized is the clue there

And no local but polluted some where else. Damn sounds like passing the baton

[forest edge]

they even have your favorite color.. vomit green https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5937cf641b631b7ab862cb88/1497599080139-ZC4QZC0KRKJMA7COTFW5/Buddy_1+(3).jpg?format=1500w

[umbral cliff]

Ah another classic Americans shitting on new tech and atx copping it all 😂

[clear ferry]

Now if only power prices would drop to normal levels it would cost me as much to drive per year as an American guzzler uses per month

[forest edge]

shit has to go somewhere

[clear ferry]

The buddy has been around for a decade, easy to park

[umbral cliff]

You’ve got enough space & people in america to shit on yourself lol

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

easy to park alright https://c.tenor.com/SFr4YUbdvPkAAAAM/coca-cola-crushing-cans.gif

[forest edge]

overfill.. has to go somewhere

[umbral cliff]

If it wasn’t for the fact I can’t charge an electric car at my apartment area (yet) and it doesn’t really work for me I would have gotten one.

One of my friends has one, hasn’t paid anything except the upfront cost and the insurance cost (so $1000 a year). Which is very tempting

[forest edge]

and the fact it would have a high chance of getting stuck in a stacker for over a year..

[umbral cliff]

Except as I’ve told you, very few apartments have stackers, because they’re more expensive than an underground carpark

[dull chasm]

@umbral cliff that is wrong we are not shitting on anything sounds like you are

[umbral cliff]

How, I just made a comment about how I would love an ev it just doesn’t work. Followed by sonoma shitting on australia

[forest edge]

I just wanna see atx driving to work looking like this https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/02/e6/bc02e628bdf2ac6576ca06a5ce2da311.jpg

[umbral cliff]

Could probably park them in motorcycle spots and other tiny gaps, so even more chance at parking. I call that a win

[dull chasm]

I don’t see what you are complaining about. It was friendly and playfull until

[umbral cliff]

… I was being friendly and playful?

But pop off mate

[dull chasm]

I have plenty of electric battery tools and they are great. But vehicles have not quite reached a point that they are. When they do I will probably buy one myself

@umbral cliff really that’s not needed

[umbral cliff]

I want 600-700km real world range at least, and charging being everywhere before I’ll consider it

[umbral cliff]

I guess I’ll stop being friendly and playful then.

[dull chasm]

Maybe I am jumping to conclusions correct me if I am wrong

[forest edge]

pop off mate didn't sound playful and friendly lol

sounded like an angry roo

[umbral cliff]

It’s a bit of a smart ass response I’ll admit

Not angry lol

We just are a lot more lax on swearing and that sort of stuff here, like how c**t can be a friendly insult

[forest edge]

not here in the states lol

the c word is like really bad here lol

[umbral cliff]

I’ve called one of my best friends a c**t, all as a friendly insult. It usually has the middle finger as a response, and then laughs

Australia takes things chill

[forest edge]

a dude calling a dude that may fly but if spoken around a woman.. you'll likely get hit lol

[umbral cliff]

My best friend I’m talking about in that situation is a woman

She has also called me a c**t

There really isn’t the gender difference for insults here

[forest edge]

that's the diffrence.. the c word flys on that side of the world.. use to somewhat fly here at one point but people too sensitive these days

[dull chasm]

See that is why I did not jump off the handle because cultures differ

[forest edge]

yea if i don't 💩 on atx, he can't have a normal day.. just doing my part

[umbral cliff]

I have to be careful about what I use as friendly insults online, because if I said “you’re a c**t” to @forest edge as a friendly insult it would be taken as an actual insult lol

But yes sonoma you’re a c**t 😉😂😂

[forest edge]

it would technically be an actual insult, but to me I wouldn't care

[clever mortar]

Damned Aussies...

[umbral cliff]

We’ve taken all the swear words and made them mostly tame

Depends on your verbal tone too

[dull chasm]

Lol but we need to the rest of world to realize and be understanding cultural differences are fine just because you don’t agree with my thoughts doesn’t make USA bad nor aussies even those kilt flip uppers in Scott

[forest edge]

skirts you mean..

[umbral cliff]

I would use the c word, wouldn’t dare mess with the word for a Scott and their kilt 😂

[dull chasm]

No kilts you insensitive arse @forest edge

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/brave-kilt-feast-your-eyes-archery-scene-disney-gif-12812988

[forest edge]

daisy dukes?

[dull chasm]

Pretty much

[forest edge]

can't say daisy dukes without picturing jessica simpson lol

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Jessica-Simpson-Daisy-Dukes-1024x640-1-900x563.jpg

[dull chasm]

Do you picture @clever mortar like that?

[umbral cliff]

She looks as fake as a barbie doll there

[forest edge]

no thats why i say skirt

[umbral cliff]

You know he secretly does

[forest edge]

there is nothing fake about jessica simpson lol

[dull chasm]

I think you do secretly

[umbral cliff]

Was just how the picture was lol

[clever mortar]

You're just jealous that I've got the legs worth showing off 😛

||It's a shame they're not my legs, but I've got a good collection in the basement||

[umbral cliff]

Surely we can send you some tights to cover them up too

[dull chasm]

I ain’t jealous but I think so Sonoma is your fan boy

[clever mortar]

He does keep talking about it...

[dull chasm]

I know right

He only has a four cylinder

[clever mortar]

Pffft, nothing to worry about then

[forest edge]

whats wrong with talking about it? aren't we suppose to feel free expressing ourselves here?

[dull chasm]

Can’t hurt nothing with something that small huh

[forest edge]

I think the slut shaming in this server needs to stop really

[dull chasm]

ROFL

Tink I think we got him

Group hug for Sonoma

[prisma barn]

what am i reading

[dull chasm]

Words

[umbral cliff]

Barely words, more like latin characters

[forest edge]

chicken scratch

@clear ferry so the truth comes out.. EV wasn't about saving the planet.. it was about avoiding paying all the tolls and fee's lmao

[prisma barn]

shh

[dull chasm]

@umbral cliff carpe diem

[forest edge]

I love how they keep brining up the confused question about why other countries are so far behind. it's like they cannot grasp the differences in population and land size adding more challenges

[dull chasm]

@forest edge what are you smoking

[forest edge]

? watch the video i posted above

talking about that

[dull chasm]

Doesn’t matter to the basic person trying to live and get by

According to statistics I am doing great with over 30k in cash but doesn’t feel like it that does not include pension insurance net worth etc

[umbral cliff]

It is also about trying to reduce the emissions from tailpipes (which are quite a large amount of the worlds emissions). The better way is reduce car usage entirely for where it’s possible (eg metropolitan areas)

Since PT & walking & biking is cheap compared to cars

[forest edge]

that wasn't the driving force to the 80% they have though. it clearly talks about all the incentives the goverment and local buisness';s put in place which pretty much put the average consumer in a no brain choice

[umbral cliff]

Yes that’s consumer uptake, not the point of EVs entirely

You need consumer uptake

Because those who can afford a new car then Onsell and you have people who aren’t as rich affording a second hand car

[forest edge]

it's just proof that the majority of people aren't asking for EV's

they are buying them to save on cost in other areas.. in norway at least

[umbral cliff]

You say that, yet why would they be popular in places without subsidies then

The cost that’s not going away is petrol

So of course people would save on that

Also the whole charge at home with your own solar

[forest edge]

well the question I posted above is your answer

so in countries where the goverment dosen't make EV be a no brainer, people buy petro instead for the majority

[umbral cliff]

EV uptake is increasing in Victoria, australia even though there is a specific EV tax

Solely on petrol savings

[forest edge]

you sure about that?

[umbral cliff]

Yes

[forest edge]

well increasing isn't exactly majority lol

[dull chasm]

@umbral cliff I think you fail to understand Sonoma view. It’s rural that it won’t work now at least

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I agree

[forest edge]

logical view if we're talking about usa lol

[umbral cliff]

Metropolitan and regional areas can cope

[umbral cliff]

Australia too. Remember we have the same landmass (if you ignore Alaska)

[forest edge]

which is why you are not majority ev

[umbral cliff]

No, we’ve also got a huge used car market, and EVs are horribly expensive brand new

[dull chasm]

It has always been a urban vs rural debate

[forest edge]

dense city dwellers who don't stray are the only exceptions so far

[umbral cliff]

Cheapest EVs so far are still 60-70k+ here

[forest edge]

and that's why I said it's funny to hear them ask the question why other countries are so far behind

[umbral cliff]

Time is the answer

[forest edge]

land mass, pop size etc.. these are not small hurdles lol

[umbral cliff]

For australia is lower emissions standards than the USA, so car manufacturers are sending more petrol here than to say the USA

[forest edge]

like what?

I thought au was mostly au made cars

the funny thing I read the other day was, in china chevy ev etc are the highest sales then thier own in country manufactures lol

because they are cheaper

[umbral cliff]

Lmao we have no Au made cars

Conservative gov made sure they couldn’t keep on going

Even holden (an Aussie brand) has been killed off by GM

[forest edge]

was refering to cars that were made there, not necessary local brand lol

[umbral cliff]

Yes. That was what the gov made sure died

[forest edge]

you guys do have auto plants don't you?

[umbral cliff]

Nope

5 years now since the last one shut down I think?

[forest edge]

that's messed up.. everything you get comes by boat?

[umbral cliff]

Yes

[forest edge]

screw that lol

[umbral cliff]

The gov refused to support local production and so they all packed up and left

The last holden cars were made in Germany

And shipped to aus

We’re too small of a car market for anyone to bother again

[forest edge]

you should buy a horse

why aren't the EV's pushing for more horse transportation. can't get any greener than that

[umbral cliff]

Horses still fart lol

Though I should get myself a bicycle. Would be an efficient way to get around

[forest edge]

so you want cull them like denmark did minks? lol

[umbral cliff]

Lmao no

Prefer to cull the invasive species instead

Not domesticated animals

[clever mortar]

I've a feeling humans are the former, not the latter

[umbral cliff]

They’re at the very least the cause of the former

And the latter

[static schooner]

There was a Seinfeld episode with that as a central plot point

[clear ferry]

What is this

I come back to a bunch of c**ts

[glacial knot]

do you not fart?

[glacial knot]

take care not to catch the cooties from anyone here

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/y4U5nit_WkY

[fallow karma]

Holden was created by GM to circumvent the law , and sell cars there . Those cars was badge-engineering, and only the logo itself was Australian

[static schooner]

made out of kangaroo hide

[fallow karma]

Monaro V8 is cool car . It's actually Opel Omega, but 2 door and with V8

I heard about people who imported one to Poland, and swap whole mechanics to regular Omega. 100% sleeper

[forest edge]

@dull chasm this common practice where you live? lol https://youtu.be/YvD7VJIZmDA

[dull chasm]

Never heard of it

[finite atlas]

looks fun :D

[forest edge]

so cool to be able to install HA directly from the rpi imager

wish the image supplied was updated more often but still

[clear ferry]

🤢

https://i.redd.it/4fspivj5j8191.png

Almost at Norwegian price levels pre covid, you can do it California

[static schooner]

I paid >$6/gallon once, but then it came back down to like $5.75. Some gas stations are just gouging, and ones nearby are cheaper

[forest edge]

everyone keeps blaming Biden because a gas line that was shot down by obama that was reinstated by Trump and still wasn't built was shot down again by Biden

crazy stuff

[static schooner]

whoever is in charge always gets the blame

same with baby formula

If only we'd built that baby formula pipelilne...

[forest edge]

well it's a republican idiot rant. the pipeline was never built but people think it was built and running thus gas prices were cheaper but Biden shut it down making gas prices soar

[clear ferry]

I lolled irl @static schooner

[forest edge]

it's just crazy how some people can be

[static schooner]

it's all just reinforcing priors, as they say

[forest edge]

that movie don't look up is scary cause you really gotta wonder if that is actual reality

people can blow the world up after i'm gone. just need to hold on a little while longer lol

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I don't see you making it past 65, so until 2026 then

[forest edge]

dunno how you can see anything on the other side of the ewaste wall your building

lol EA still can't find anyone who want to buy them

company's rep is so famous noone wants to touch them with a 10ft pole

[forest edge]

this is kind of ingenious for them to release https://www.wyze.com/products/wyze-garage-door-controller

[umbral cliff]

They weren’t though? The company was founded in the mid 1800s as a saddle manufacturer, then automotive industry, then finally purchased by GM in 1930s

[forest edge]

who came up with that fancy background during install of the os? that is neat!

[acoustic ocean]

This is great! One word of warning is that i've changed the setup to no longer use configuration.yaml starting in the next release

The idea of using the calendar title to be the service call is really cool

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/21xuo8diec191.jpg

[dull chasm]

Sounds like Norway

@clear ferry

No sorry y’all do it on the front end

[glacial knot]

what? I'm so confused what you are saying

[forest edge]

engrish is hard

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-unpossible-gif-13955028

[forest edge]

more ev? more public transportation @umbral cliff ? no thanks! https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM

[last cedar]

Wonder if it was thermal runaway?

I thought there were batteries that were not susceptable to it

[clear ferry]

I blame the French

Always blame the French

[static schooner]

We blame Canada

And they're too polite to complain

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/baguette-baguette-go-brrr-gif-17703083

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

tailscale works. think maybe in the long run still gonna try the naba casa route to connect my 4g HA

I do not get why frenck's tailscale addon dosen't expose the tailscale network to the front end unlike the unofficial version does

[umbral cliff]

…you do realise petrol/ diesel cars catch on fire right?

[forest edge]

they don't spontaneously combust

[umbral cliff]

This one did https://youtu.be/BLaE3T78ack

[forest edge]

your not unware of anything wrong one second then bursting into hot flames the next

that video seems fishy lol

[finite atlas]

ev busses are often made retarded

and public transport companies like to buy the cheapest available stuff, so quality is thrown out the window

[forest edge]

sounds like europe for sure lol

[finite atlas]

From what i've heard from some other cities electric busses is, that they are putting NMC (pretty violent chemisty) cells on top of their busses, without cell level fusing and just enough cooling for when in use, but not enough if one cell decides to commit suicide.
So when one shorts itself, it may short the others too, causing a chain reaction that cant be cooled. pikachu surprise face
Tesla has that figured out since like 2012

[fallow glen]

I'm baffled where some people get their electricians license... Why in seven kinds of loose-leaf tea would anyone terminate all three feeds of a two-way switch AT A BLOODY OUTDOOR LIGHT????? And the outdoor light isn't even the thing with the 2-way switch!
It’s been 20 years since I bought this place and I’m STILL finding scary stuff.

I sometimes think about getting the whole place rewired to include neutrals at the light switches but this one has active neutral AND earth! Typical, it's the only one I don't need a neutral at....sigh...

I know, I know, home automation wasn't thought of back then...Sorry...just felt the need to vent

[last cedar]

It could be worse, they might not have invented wagos yet, and we would all still be twisting stuff together.

[clear ferry]

With our teeth

I still have fond memories of finding the live isdn wires with my tongue

[forest edge]

3 runs to an outdoor fixture and none of them are for the fixture itself? sounds norwegian

[earnest prairie]

Any networking people here who can advise me on some basics? Looking at buying a roll of cat6 to run to security cams, found some solid copper cable but I can't find any pass through RJ45's that are suitable for crimping solid cable? (I'm in the UK)

Should I try and find some stranded ethernet cable instead or can anyone recommend RJ45s that are suitable?

[clear ferry]

Ew pass through

Best regard someone who has worked with networking for over 20 years

[earnest prairie]

pass through bad? thought it was meant to be easiest :D?

[clear ferry]

Crimping a cable end takes less than 30 seconds

I never understood the need for passthrough

[forest edge]

it's so they all fall neat incase you don't cut them all straight

wish they were around several years ago

[clear ferry]

If you can't manage to cut the end straight you shouldn't be crimping cables at all

[forest edge]

after doing enough in a row sometimes your care level drops

[clear ferry]

There is enough tolerance of the difference between them that you can make it up by simply pressing them in and they will adjust fine

[forest edge]

not all of us are addicted to the mundane tasks of crap like that lol

but then the longer ones bunch up

least on cat5, no idea what the modren crap is like

[clear ferry]

I've probably crimped close to 5000 cables over the years, helps in the field to know how to fix stuff

[forest edge]

helps with arthritis down the road too

[clear ferry]

I thought you Americans were tough @forest edge

[earnest prairie]

I’ve never crimped anything so I’m open to suggestions here 😅

[clear ferry]

Apparently not

Look at a crimping video on YouTube, try a few test crimps

It isn't hard

[earnest prairie]

Gotta buy the stuff first is my problem

[forest edge]

what does that have to do with normal human issues lol

just don't skimp on the crimper

[umbral cliff]

It was easier for me to learn how to do pass through, but normal crimping just requires you to get the hang of it

[clear ferry]

Regular rj45 connectors is off the shelf hardware in most electronic stores

Easy to get hold off

[umbral cliff]

I went with a cheap ebay one, works fine

[forest edge]

maybe they been around so long the cheap ones have improved

use to be the cheap ones were harder to work

[clear ferry]

I've even crimped with a tape knife and a plumbers tong in the field

In a pinch

[umbral cliff]

I basically only buy my tools off ebay unless i need something quality

Because cheap

And often don't need anything

[clear ferry]

AliExpress mostly for me

[forest edge]

gross

[umbral cliff]

I just don't want to wait 2-3 weeks

[forest edge]

*years

[clear ferry]

I love when I find AliExpress stuff in the wild , ordered a usb c to Ethernet adapter

Paid $3

Saw it in a Norwegian store for $25

[umbral cliff]

Nah max I've waited was 3.5 weeks, and that included the time over easter (and 3.5 weeks over CNY too)

[clear ferry]

Usually 14-17 days here now, some take 25 but that is rare

[forest edge]

amazon better, 2 days for most

[umbral cliff]

Ordered something on aliexpress on the 14th, its now in australia with delivery from auspost within the next few business days, not bad

[young sigil]

You kids and your new fangled pass-through connectors. Back in my day... Actually pass-through are easier, quicker and easier to see if you've stuffed up by jumping a guide slot. I like them.

[earnest prairie]

I'm buying all my cables from Kenable but they're saying solid copper cables aren't designed from crimping? Are they just being cautious or should I actually pay attention?

[clear ferry]

You are breaking my heart Tom

[forest edge]

surprised there isn't something that you just clamp down on the cased wire and it auto lines everything up etc

it's 2022 for sake

[clear ferry]

You mean like 10base5 vampire clamps

[umbral cliff]

Oh yeah mixing the cables up has been my bane of learning to crimp, so many fuck ups

[forest edge]

something a little smaller

[clear ferry]

There is probably at least 25 schools in Norway still running on cables I initially crimped 15-25 years ago

[umbral cliff]

So using old tech

Nice

[forest edge]

25 schools within 5 blocks? that's nuts

watched another norwad video the other day with a russian girl who was giving 11 reasons why not to move to norway

as she walked through the city with everything closed and not a person in sight at 4pm

[clear ferry]

Hey, we started doing cat6 in 2005

It's still modern compared to the U-S-A

[forest edge]

when a single box takes care of 20 buildings it's easy to get the latest and greatest early

[clear ferry]

Not our fault we had symmetrical fiber 20 years before y'all

[forest edge]

you mean you had actual camp fires for light, warmth and cooking 20 years ago

[clear ferry]

Heck, I started playing with ipv6 in 2000

They were running a test project

[umbral cliff]

ipv6 is a fun toy, not really useful yet

That comes from someone who has it working on fixed line and mobile services

[forest edge]

is all pull wire/riser wire solid copper?

[clear ferry]

Ipv6 makes a lot of sense, on internal networks

Don't know how many years we have been out of routable ipv4

I still get up to six from my ISP though

[fallow glen]

That's exactly what it was! All twisted and 'snappy'. I have put Wagos on there now. Ahem, I mean...Well, I would have IF I was ALLOWED to do that in Australia.

[fallow glen]

Oh yeah! The old tongue buzz. Got a good belt stripping telephone wires with my teeth once. Phone rang just as I did it and I felt it thought every bloody tooth!

[fallow glen]

I had a similar experience and decided to try it again. Be warned, it doesn't work the second time. 🙂

[clear ferry]

I order 2-400 orders a year from AliExpress, I still haven't had a bad experience, two times have not shown up, both times I got money back, one time the item was defective and I got money back

Had one item take almost three months s once, but that was during Chinese New years, plus wrong address on the label and a screwup by Norwegian post

[fallow glen]

Yes, order well-before or well-after Chinese New Year. I learnt that a long time ago! 🙂

[umbral cliff]

I’ve ordered a tonne from Ali they all take around the same time frame. Auspost is fast once it gets into aus

[fallow glen]

Yeh, it's pretty good once here. I can't complain about this end of things. I've watched a parcel from bangood bounce around the world before making it to me once. That was some time ago.

[clear ferry]

@last cedar Volvo warranty is pretty nice, stopped by today because of a creak and a slight wind noise and one of my wood panels have started flaking, they took some pictures and will contact me from warranty department to get it sorted

I've never had a car new enough to have warranty before

[finite atlas]

best time is chineese singles day, 11.11

[fallow glen]

Bloody-hell! They have an opposite of valentines day!! Never heard that before!

[clear ferry]

I buy a lot on 11.11

[distant obsidian]

Does anyone have a good idea how to organize MQTT topics in C++? A colleague is doing it with namespaces

[finite atlas]

yeah, its mostly just a "treating yourself as good as possible" day and hefty discounts on stuff, so it gets bought a lot, is common
but you have to keep track of the price yourself, they like to mark it up weeks before to make it appear cheaper, while it isnt

[fallow glen]

Ohh....clever buggers! Will remember that. Nice advice. 🙂

[hushed basalt]

My house is full of fun stuff like that

7 cables terminating in screw terminals thrown randomly in the roof

Halogen downlight fittings with ballasts thrown wherever, the whole sheet of insulation thrown out of the way

The aircon installers were shocking too

System was installed in 2006, I bought the house last year and looked at the ducting. The return air ducts were not even taped on the outer liner, and the inner liner is perforated. So 15 years of unsealed return air ducts on a 16kw system

Because some dodgey installer couldn't be bothered to seal 2 ducts

Not that anyone in Australia knows how to do domestic aircon

[young sigil]

God damn electricians. I had one here recently to run a neutral for a new zigbee dimmer. Got up in the roof afterwards to do some other stuff only to find the prick had left all the insulation pulled up and scrap wire all over the place.

[fallow glen]

Jesus, I'd forgotten about that one....When I had my electrician do some work on something, he found that the clowns that put an aircon in (ducted system) had used one feed of a 3-phase system to carry 25amps. Apparently, I had melted BP connectors and sloughed insulation. It's bloody lucky I didn't have a fire. They are out of business so wasn't worth pursuing. My sparky ran brand new feeds to the ducted system (both units) and the split system as he found they had jumpered the split system from a powerpoint below it. I'm very lucky and have an excellent aircon company that looks after mine now.

[fallow glen]

Nice. What does the average homeowner do that knows nothing about electrics? It's really too bad!

[umbral cliff]

It’s not just the case in australia though. Dodgy sparkies exist worldwide. I guess all it proves is regulation to the Australian level doesn’t stop shit

[fallow glen]

Yup. agreed

[umbral cliff]

Disagree. Have found a great company who takes the proper care & knows what they’re doing. Unless you mean only installing split systems or whatever but that’s up to the consumer to request it not the companies fault

[fallow glen]

Mine does domestic, commercial and industrial so they have a finger in all pies really, which is a refreshing change.

[umbral cliff]

The guys we used for my parents place knew their stuff well for the systems, had trusted recommendations for stuff & their sparkie seemed like he did a good job (line straight from the fuse board with a proper sized RCD)

Ducting looked okay too

Also change of topic, how do you know what to include to make your own esp chip based circuit board

[fallow glen]

How do you mean?

[umbral cliff]

Like I wanna make something that utilises an esp chip, is there anything that needs to be there or is it just something to do power input, and then traces to whatever I want?

[fallow glen]

Well, pretty much...It just depends on a few things.. Analog inputs are usually only 1, digital - a handful. Built in wifi is excellent to use, I usually buy the ESP-01N chips which are specialty but are pin for pin compatible with the Grid Connect crap that Bunnings sells. I just reprogram them and desolder the old one, solder this in and Bingo - a grid connect device that no-longer relies on the cloud

For most other things, I just buy some knock-off D1-Minis and use those

[umbral cliff]

Yeah was thinking of just testing our custom circuit board development by doing something involving a ESP

[fallow glen]

I started with D1-Minis. Don't buy them from Jaycar, they are 20-30 bucks a pop. Order from China

They are great for prototyping plug in, blow it up, plug another one in.

Only downside is pins ONLY will take 3.3v not 5 so you have to be careful

[umbral cliff]

Yeah just wanna try doing the circuit board part too. Since seems interesting

I have no clue how the fuck to design a circuit board, so really wanna muck around and try some lol

[fallow glen]

Yeh...it's fun.....Until you hook up a feedback of 5v to the gpio pin accidentally and then you throw it away and put in a new one 🙂

The only downside is etching at home.....I hate it. Chemicals everywhere, yadda yadda.... It's ok for mucking about but eventually I would order some made. But I have to learn Eagle or similar design software first.

I generally buy little mini-solderable breadboard layout PCBs and jumper them myself

[umbral cliff]

Yeah would be ordering from China. Fuck doing it at home

[fallow glen]

I had it on me (must have leaked a bit) as soon as I opened the kit I bought from Jaycar. Thought, fuck that and took it back and got my money back.

That stuff burns

Everyone talks about JLCPCB but I have no first-hand knowledge of how pleasant-an-experience it is.

[midnight adder]

🍞 Hi

[forest edge]

heh found where norway got the idea for the buddy car https://youtu.be/ilIozuRmTQs

[last cedar]

Wood panels?!

Thought you were talking about your car

[clever mortar]

Interior trim panels are often wood in nicer cars

[forest edge]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64307123/huh-huh-huh-you-said-wood.jpg

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/2ASLHEgpn3YAAAAM/wynonna-earp-doc-holliday.gif

[static schooner]

You know you've arrived when you provide the actual piece of wood for the car maker to build the panels and controls out of

[forest edge]

wtf

you norwats generally unruly so they pay you extra if you are domicile?

[clear ferry]

Yes we use dollars

[forest edge]

well i mean, it's not like your local wood chips are much useful outside your neighborhood

[young sigil]

There's a reference design in this https://www.espressif.com/sites/default/files/documentation/esp8266_hardware_design_guidelines_en.pdf also you will be learning how to reflow solder as the ESP is only available in a QFN package.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze good to see some news coming out of your area where people are fighting back against the car thieves and smash and grabbers

[hushed basalt]

@umbral cliff I'm assuming ducting. Where is the indoor unit

[umbral cliff]

In the roof

Think that was the one thing that couldn’t have been relocated due to how the house is (not without a lot of extra cost)

We had a dodgy install done years ago before that when it was easier to relocate stuff

[hushed basalt]

Roof is the very Australian thing to do

Which is a total fail

[umbral cliff]

Except where else does it go

Sitting in your lounge room?

There’s no other place to put it

[hushed basalt]

Closets

https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/building-science-insights-newsletters/bsi-006-no-good-deed-shall-go-unpunished

[umbral cliff]

Yeah we don’t have any room for that

Not without making it look ugly

And so I agree with my parents that the slight loss is a better choice than something fugly

Little bit of saving vs house space & looks, I’ll take the space & looks

[forest edge]

that article states "way hotter" but a properly vented attic will only be 10-15degree's hotter than the outside during summer

[umbral cliff]

Our roof gets to 60 in summer (on a 30-35° day)

So australia gets a lot hotter

[forest edge]

type of roof and ventilation also plays a part

[static schooner]

it's pretty typical in the US to have a furnace/indoor AC unit in the attic

[umbral cliff]

But also I prefer heating/ cooling to just not be visible at all, small ducts in the roof and that’s it

[forest edge]

i wouldn't install a furnace/ac in an attic regardless

[static schooner]

my upstairs unit is currently in a closet, but previous houses had it in the attic

[forest edge]

that falls on design of house. inground homes it is common but above ground not so much

[umbral cliff]

We’ve got our ‘furnace’ (for my parents is a ducted gas heater) placed outside, because it works fine there too

Ducting goes immediately below the house

[static schooner]

Is that "has basement" vs. "doesn't"?

[forest edge]

right, most inground homes do not have a basement

[static schooner]

sounds more like how I would describe a swimming pool

[forest edge]

lol

[static schooner]

my ground floor unit is in my garage, as it was in my last house

[forest edge]

only half to 3/4 of the house is buried. sometimes one whole side could be buried to the point you can step onto your roof from that side

[static schooner]

sounds like one of those new-fangled "green roof" eco-warrior houses

[forest edge]

those houses almost always have the ac units in the attioc

[static schooner]

like something that Ed Begley, Jr. would own

[forest edge]

inground has been around since the early 80's

and they do work

i had a friend growing up who lived in one

[static schooner]

I've never lived somewhere where that was a thing, only seen them on TV

[hushed basalt]

Easiest thing is to just seal and insulate the roof

Then you can put it in the attic

[forest edge]

was crazy how cool the house stayed with nothing turned on during the summer

[hushed basalt]

Since it's indoors

[umbral cliff]

Think the difference between myself and @hushed basalt is I don’t mind about some loss if it looks good, telco wants to hunt down every $ spent in excess

[hushed basalt]

We're not talking about 5% here

[umbral cliff]

Also btw I tried running the split system at my apartment to check for heating, over 1 hour the temperature in the room went up 0.5°, the electric radiator increased it by 2°

Splits are shite

[hushed basalt]

We're talking like doubling costs having handler and ducts outside the thermal envelope

We put a lot of attention on carbon and power plants and mining etc etc

[umbral cliff]

At least it’s not ugly or requiring a redesign of the house

Which would negate the savings easily

[hushed basalt]

But have no regard at all for the average Australian home using 2,3,10x more energy than it should

[static schooner]

Australia should just coat the interior of the country in solar panels

[hushed basalt]

Or just have a building industry that can spell air tightness let alone know what it is

Even a lot of eco builders don't even know what a blower door test is

HoUsEs NeEd To BreAtH

[umbral cliff]

After this I think I would rethink installing splits for anything other than cooling tbh. They’re pretty useless

[static schooner]

I keep hearing about how mini-split systems are so much more efficient, but the aesthetics just turn me off

[umbral cliff]

That’s why I hate them

[hushed basalt]

Then get ducted minisplits

[umbral cliff]

They’re bulky white plastic shite

[hushed basalt]

Or put the ducts in the envelope

[umbral cliff]

Which also stick out in the roof

[static schooner]

just makes me think "hmm, forgot to install an actual HVAC system, so we hacked something together"

[umbral cliff]

They’re the latest craze in australia, split systems are 90% of new builds. Because then they can chuck an undersized one in the living room and call it a day

[static schooner]

one step up from a window unit

[umbral cliff]

And under rental laws it counts as heating for the whole house

(One undersized split system for a 2 story house is good enough, as you just have to have heating available somewhere)

[forest edge]

i disagree. i wanna fart and have the family suffer for days

[hushed basalt]

Ventilation is different to air leakage

[static schooner]

I also have HA automating my HVAC fan to circulate air regularly to avoid stale air and to equalize the temp

[hushed basalt]

Ventilation is on purpose

[static schooner]

regardless of how the temperature gets that way

[forest edge]

hmm? you have something piped to the outside? cause if not your just circulating the same stale air lol

[static schooner]

it gets filtered through the furnace filter, and some rooms don't get a lot of traffic

[forest edge]

i guess.. altho the filter only traps the cat hair floating about

[static schooner]

it does indeed

it really does make a difference for both things

in any case, that's another thing that you'd lose without ducted HVAC

[forest edge]

wouldn't fly here cause the woman complains about it being cold when air comes out the vents regardless if it's heated air or otherwise lol

my honeywell actually has a setting that will periodically kick on the blower to circulate the air and it's triggered by slight temp changes

tried it for a week then turned it off cause someone was always cold lol

[umbral cliff]

Tell your partner to get a jumper instead lol

[hushed basalt]

Feeling cold from air from a vent is generally a design issue

Basically need to reduce the velocity and diffuse it in the right way

[hushed basalt]

Do you think Debian should just not bother making a Desktop environment

And just focus 100% on server

[finite atlas]

they shall do, whatever they want to do

[gusty compass]

IKEA to release new hub and app this fall:
https://about.ikea.com/en/newsroom/2022/05/25/ikea-launches-dirigera-the-matter-ready-hub-for-smart-products-and-a-new-ikea-home-smart-app

[shy laurel]

Hello. Is there a smooth way of using home assistant to play audio to multiple rooms over spotify? I have a pair of powered bluetooth/cinch speakers, an a/v receiver with a 5.1 system hooked up to it and I might possible by 1-2 small speakers for the kitchen and/or bathroom

[shadow prawn]

Snapcast

[shy laurel]

https://www.thouters.be/HassMultiRoomAudio.html <-- just found this, that's talking about snapcast as well

[young sigil]

This is not a support channel. Try #integrations-archived

[shy laurel]

okay 😛 thought it's too off topic

[shadow prawn]

Is that good or bad news? Especially the matter thing.

Since ikea was/is one of the most reliable suppliers of zigbee stuff for HA

[glacial knot]

is not a fan

[umbral cliff]

It could be good at promoting the uptake of matter, but it depends. Hopefully they’re dual compatible or they still sell zigbee until matter is everywhere

[grand onyx]

can i use a motion eye camera to FRIGATE

[clever mortar]

#cameras-archived

[grand onyx]

ohk

[shadow prawn]

Dual compatible would be nice

[umbral cliff]

I just can’t see ikea cutting all their old customers out. Unless maybe the hub is dual zigbee/ matter and that’s where the dual could come I

*in

[primal vapor]

https://i.redd.it/8rtta7mm6o191.png

[clear ferry]

I just try to work more than 30m per 60m

[forest edge]

you need 20 hour gaming breaks for a lot of the games that are out these days

waiting on my sma adapters to hook up my external 4g antenna to be delivered today but this is the 4g connection drop rate of the modem sitting inside my steel barn in the middle of nowhere during a thunderstorm last night lol

crazy how much effect steel structures have on wireless devices. if I open the metal door the signals just come rushing in like water waves and everything becomes solid but the second I close that door it's like closing the door on a faraday cage

[clear ferry]

I've played 92h since February 25th

Since elden ring keeps tabs on me

[last cedar]

This is why everyone needs tintoil hats

[clear ferry]

I've worked with WiFi signals since 2003

I still see crazy shit

Like school hallways with lockers is a fucking menace

[last cedar]

We are not surprised

[glacial knot]

yea, it's the weird food they got up north

[forest edge]

footage of @clear ferry in his "lab" early years. https://youtu.be/8hX3w2MGVAg

[tidal bronze]

If it makes you happy. 😃👍

[forest edge]

it's your state but you just couldn't care less.. you probably don't notice anything between your home and the airport do you? lol

[tidal bronze]

Everything is just preachy these days. 🤣

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-perplexed-what-oblivious-huh-gif-15211531

[tidal bronze]

Thursday 11 AM too early for vodka I guess.

[forest edge]

maybe put down the bottle and go outside?

[tidal bronze]

Oh no. If it's not a flight out, always home.

[forest edge]

your almost as bad as @clear ferry completely unware of the world outside his bubble

[clear ferry]

At least I've been outside my own bubble

[forest edge]

into another bubble i'm sure

[tidal bronze]

In Vegas so everything is a blurrrrr. Heading home tonight but will be back here Sunday. Then again next Friday. I am so confused.

[forest edge]

what happens in vegas stays in vegas huh

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. What happens in Vegas stays on Facebook

[forest edge]

quad living the real life version of the movie Hangover

just don't get eaten by Tyson's tiger

[tidal bronze]

Did the buffet of buffets so stuffed.

That's the only good thing in Vegas.

[forest edge]

I would be weary these days, people just not really putting effort into work anymore lol

[tidal bronze]

6 buffets 24 hours. That's all that matters.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-bender-futurama-human-wooh-gif-19919438

[tidal bronze]

I wish they included the bellagio, but sadly no

[forest edge]

should get your wife on here so we can make sure atleast one of you pays attention of what goes on in the world around you lol

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. She's the one who is anti news only positive and happy things.

[forest edge]

oh lord

well atleast I know you'll be the first to go down if the world completely falls apart. i'll say a prayer

zombies take over the world you'll be the only one online trying to leave a one star review cause your uber eats is late

[tidal bronze]

You are the only source of california news I have. Thank you for that.

[forest edge]

least that way if you end up getting caught in the middle you can tell the police you heard it was bad from someone online but you never would have imagined it being true

[tidal bronze]

My only issue now, flights are too crowded

[forest edge]

feel like a sardine in business class do you?

you poor thing, maybe you should opt to ride in the cargo hold

[tidal bronze]

Forget business same on first. Just that first time fliers just makes me go hmmmm

Was in North Dakota earlier this week. Welp that was fun. Lmao

[forest edge]

why because people get scared being in a tin tube flying hundreds of feet in the air?

[tidal bronze]

Actually it's about carry on luggage and that epic game of will it fit ? 😆

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bags-fit-it-will-fit-huge-huge-bag-gif-12308821

[umbral cliff]

That’s why I board first so it becomes not my problem

[tidal bronze]

Same here but it's just funny and annoying to watch. Specially when 1st class suffers.

[forest edge]

f first class.. bastards need to have people's crotches shoved in their faces

[umbral cliff]

You can fly first class without being rich. Either have the company pay for it, or frequent flyer points

I flew business class last week to Melbourne (our domestic business is basically the same as your domestic first)

[forest edge]

then you'll get to experience the fats dude's ball sack rubbing on your face as he tries and puts something in the overhead compartment like all the other yuppies

[umbral cliff]

Never had that but I’m not going to kinkshame

[tidal bronze]

I would never pay for first. I always get upgraded to 1st. Trying to hit 6million soon diamond status for life. Then I am going to slow down on flying.

[forest edge]

upgraded to yuppie huh

i would eat nothing but beans for like 6 hours before boarding

no more than 10 minutes after take off the pilots would be trying to break the windshield for fresh air

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. 6k seat for $600 always, not bad at all.

[forest edge]

screw that

who the hell actually pays 6k a seat

must be a crypto investor thing

[tidal bronze]

Well 80% of 1st class is paid for. So lot of people. 😆

Forget the 6k. There is an exclusive tier in my airline for people that spend over $250k/year. 🤣

[forest edge]

shit better be something like that scene in Ironman where the hot flight attendants stripped down and swung around a pole

[tidal bronze]

I would take Alexander Valley cabernet over that.

[forest edge]

booze over women? what are you a devout catholic looking to get into politics?

[hushed basalt]

Lol these days

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers

• Sonoma 400BC

[tidal bronze]

Is it that hard to decide? Great wine Vs women ? Don't tell me you are 28 🤪

[forest edge]

spot on

[forest edge]

at no point in my life have i ever picked a bottle over a woman lol.. now if it was a choice between someone who fell a few hundred feet down hitting every branch of the ugly tree.. then sure

[tidal bronze]

So another one that ads to the confused.com midwest column. Peace + quite + wine Vs talking, oh my

[umbral cliff]

I’ve already gotten gold for life, so lounge access guaranteed from the age of 24. Not bad 😂

Working my way towards platinum for life

[forest edge]

vs talking? wtf lol

fucking hicks

I got cameras out at my farm and the guy who I am renting the pasture out too is paying for someone to bring one of those big boom sprayers out to spray the fields

before they can tho the guy with the sprayer came out to cut down some of the low hanging branches so the sprayer dosen't get caught on them..

takes a piss right in front of the camera and never realizes there is a camera right there

[last cedar]

People are lovely

[hushed basalt]

Local dev stacks are the worst

As in trying to replicate an entire stack on your laptop

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/uycq5f/spännande_val_av_registreringsskylt/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

@clear ferry

You didn't say you had swapped the xc90 for a ford???

[clear ferry]

Missing a Y

[last cedar]

"Y MR COCK"????

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-steve-carell-gif-22904325

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/why-tho-though-gif-7485441

Fun fact

Norwegian national power grid is earning too much money

Because of the high power prices

And they have to pay extra tax to the state, and we consumers will get paid by the grid

[last cedar]

Meanwhile in Sweden....

Hehe

It is fairly windy right now, I guess we have fairly cheap hourly electric

[clear ferry]

We had 7øre yesterday

[finite atlas]

cries in german 35 cents

[forest edge]

wtf is 70re

[clear ferry]

0.007 Murica money

[clear ferry]

Don't y'all learn about foreign currency in the land of the free?

[shadow prawn]

🐖

[forest edge]

only thing said about communist money is that it's bad juju

[clear ferry]

I see your educational system has failed again in regards to the difference between communism and socialism

[forest edge]

they said you all would be in denial

[clear ferry]

That sounds like McCarthyism

[forest edge]

McCartneyism? sorry i don't listen to the beatles

[clear ferry]

Not even knowing ones own history, kids these days

[clear ferry]

@last cedar

[finite atlas]

2 ogre, damn thats cheap

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry my degree is history and that is not even related

[clear ferry]

You are quite the exception young sir

[cunning onyx]

Clearly you don't know much at all about Americans or America @clear ferry, and as an American I can confidently say that we don't either, we stopped funding the education system a long while ago.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[cunning onyx]

LOL

[clear ferry]

I'm basic education, but the primary, secondary school education here is quite comprehensive

I only have vocational high school

[hushed basalt]

Same I barely passed highschool

[cunning onyx]

I'm technically a high school dropout who got a high school degree at night school cause they tried to screw me over due to having a freakin' full time job in the IT industry at 16.

See? There was no reason to add "Technically" to that sentence, thanks public schools.

[clear ferry]

Lulz

I'm still confident enough to try to communicate in 8 or so languages, I consume information about other countries regularly and I'm leading in my field

Education isn't everything

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-chew-chewing-big-eyes-wide-eyes-gif-8128904

[clear ferry]

But it helps to have a basic one

[cunning onyx]

I remember reading the history books in school and being like "But I know that's not true"

what a waste of time that was

[clear ferry]

Lol

What

[cunning onyx]

thank goodness I taught myself to code at night and slept through class for most of high school.

[clear ferry]

I slept through my one year of college

[cunning onyx]

I had a math teaching in high school, I'd always sleep through her class, never do any homework, always got one of the highest grades in the class on tests. So one day she passes out the tests and gives me mine last, then sits on the desk in front of me and folds her arms. So I'm like "You think I'm cheating, that's fair." and proceed to spend the first 15 minutes of the 45 minute period going between the first few questions reverse engineering what it took the rest of the class the week to learn, then I finished the test and got one of the highest grades in the class. Afterwards she talked to me and said If I just did the homework I'd easily get an A instead of a C, and I told her I was spending my time teaching myself to code and doing the homework was a waste of time that wouldn't build me a future career. After that she would make fun of me if I was actually awake in her class.

[clear ferry]

It's quite strange how we can get good grades in similar classes but not the other ones

I've always been one grade away from flunk in math

But I was ridiculously good at chemistry

And physics

Which are both math based

As in, I got a B without ever buying the book or studying, just doing the required hand ins

[glacial knot]

school maths is easy though

[clear ferry]

I was never good at them

Got a 4 in secondary school

[glacial knot]

do you have the same 1-6 we got?

[clear ferry]

And a E in high school vocational math

Which is simplified

We had 1-6 in primary and secondary

And A to F in higher

I flunked college math even if I got B in chemistry and physics

[glacial knot]

University math was fun

but mostly tedious

[cunning onyx]

I always wanted to learn more math, I seem to be very good at it, but math doesn't make money, unix makes money.

[umbral cliff]

How the heck. You can’t fail high school in australia. They’ll still force you through somehow 😂

[umbral cliff]

Helps you get a job given the current market, hard to get a good one

[clear ferry]

ew employers who care about education

[umbral cliff]

It’s either education or experience. The latter is painful

Prefer good job then get experience

[glacial knot]

Maths can make €€€€€. Get into one of the insurance modeling jobs

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/Wkic.gif

[cunning onyx]

That's true, but then they want degrees and stuff, I work with a bunch of research scientists who do weather simulations and it's programming to get math done.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/M6PM.gif

[cunning onyx]

I got into the market by pure force, also it was the 90's, so if you could fog a mirror and spell computer you were in.

[clear ferry]

LOL

The 90s

here I thought you were a millenial

[cunning onyx]

I'm old 😦

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bK48U.gif

[cunning onyx]

literally started volunteering at 14 to get experience, had a full time job (helpdesk) at 16.

[clear ferry]

I started working at 9, but I had already been fixing computers for a few years by then

passed around like a toolchest by my father

[cunning onyx]

uphill both ways I hope

[clear ferry]

😄

[hushed basalt]

Hence the barely lol

[cunning onyx]

Ah, nothing like starting my morning with a meeting with "security" re-explaining and then double re-explaining basic fucking concepts to them.

[clear ferry]

I started disassembling and reassembling computers at age 5, and fixing them from 6 onwards, built my first one at 11 and started working in IT at 19

[glacial knot]

which kind of security? the ones that lock doors, or the ones that tell you to not use strcpy?

[clear ferry]

Fun when these days I'm only one of three who does Unix in the Nordics, and the rest of them are either dead or dying

[hushed basalt]

I didn't work in tech until 31

[umbral cliff]

Did you walk uphill both ways in the winter to build the computer too

[clear ferry]

Well yes, Norway is mountainous

Add a snowstorm

[cunning onyx]

I have UPS to thank for me getting into computers, my parents bough a gateway computer and it kept breaking, rather than send it back and pay a bunch of money I was like "Naw, looks simple, just send us the parts". I have UPS to thank cause eventually they found out they kept dropping the packages three feet, so shit kept getting broke.

[cunning onyx]

The kind that take the spreadsheets from the parent company, to the engineers, THEY ARE PEOPLE PERSONS DAMNIT!

[umbral cliff]

Ups couldn’t deliver a parcel even if it was to the bloody White House

[glacial knot]

I don't know of a security position that does that :yagaGa:

[cunning onyx]

The director wants to put me in charge of them.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bJA9A.gif

[cunning onyx]

I was like "Who wants to be in charge of the D minus squad?"

[glacial knot]

still no idea what kinda team you mean with security there o.0 but maybe I've just been lucky withmy colleagues

[umbral cliff]

Just give me some governance Risk and compliance. Good stuff 😂

[glacial knot]

ah yes, Legal and Compliance. My best friends

[clear ferry]

As long as I don't have to deal with people

[cunning onyx]

IT security, the kind who have six people but can't get fireeye or splunk to work, and it's been years. The kind who literally don't do anything but foward emails and vulnerability scans to the infrastructure team, the kind who can't even run their own meeting, or make their own spreadsheets, so the infrastructure manager runs the vulnerability meeting and generates the spreadsheet.