the-water-cooler

[glacial knot]

though it's only a bit of metrics and temp readings I think

[clear ferry]

I do automations based on it

[restive vapor]

On different network?

[glacial knot]

if you can route to the octoprint from HA. But check the #integrations-archived on it 🙂

[umbral cliff]

You’re running a very weird way of home assistant. It won’t work over the internet without a lot of other stuff

This is why a cloud host of Ha is bad

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254765

[forest edge]

has anyone ever done cloud hosting of HA?

not even sure how that even works

[umbral cliff]

Darren lol

Badly

[forest edge]

wait, he does?

[clear ferry]

Don't forget core installation without venv

[glacial knot]

we clearly need to re-engineer HA to run in aws lambdas

[clear ferry]

Shouldn't be too hard

Let's just make it run natively on windows with full dev support

[forest edge]

i need to dive into pulling in remote instances of HA at some point

[clear ferry]

Ew

[forest edge]

need to get a camera set up at the farm to take snapshots of coyote's eating racoons for @last cedar

[clear ferry]

Just use mqtt over the internet

[forest edge]

yea was thinking that but need to find a guide so i can lazy it lol

[clear ferry]

Just get camel B to do it, he will do anything for sonomo senpai

[forest edge]

it's the connecting to vpn and then disconnecting through an automation is where I think it may get sticky

but we'll see. haven't dove down that road just yet

[clear ferry]

Always on layer 2 VPN baby

No routing issues

[forest edge]

i don't want always connected

one of the connections will be to this 4g router lol

i just wanna snag data once every hour or so

i cannot believe the rpi4 4gb is going for 180

that is insane

[finite atlas]

you better do

maybe look at the used market

[clear ferry]

or just buy something actually usable

for that price

[finite atlas]

yup

pi's are currently just overpriced and overrated toys

[prisma briar]

Make it rsync the data somewhere on a cron?

[last cedar]

You are a foul ogre and I hope we never speak again.

[clear ferry]

You aren't wrong

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-18053606

@forest edge

Your doormat is mine tonight.

|| unless a coyote gets me first ||

[finite atlas]

xDD

[finite atlas]

get an old & used laptop
much better specs, actually useable and often upgradable

[prisma briar]

They draw more power, put out more heat, make more noise, and take more space too.

[clear ferry]

Noticeable? Probably not

[prisma briar]

Depends on where it needs to be.

[clear ferry]

Unless you live in the Philippines

[prisma briar]

What are you on about? Tight spaces with poor ventilation or wall mounting or any number of other things are wildly impractical with a laptop but reasonable with a Pi and don't require you to be in the Philippines.

There's more concerns to power draw than the cost of the actual power too

[clear ferry]

I've had 17U of 2006 revision servers in a 0.7m2 closet without any big issues

ran there for years

without any ventilation

a laptop compared to a pi, not very concerned

[prisma briar]

They were either not utilized or were throttling to hell and back. You don't run 17u in a tiny ass hole with no ventilation without issues.

You're probably just full of shit though.

[clear ferry]

Oh

yeah

that sounds right 😄

To be specific, it was 3x DL380G4p + MSA70 + RX4640 + 2x DL360G4p + 2x Cisco 2960 and PDUs

[last cedar]

What atx didn't specify was that the closet was on the other side of the moon and only slight above absolute zero

[clear ferry]

In a closet in my dads garage

well, tromsø is pretty cold

[last cedar]

No shit

Well, until you turned your servers on, it was

[clear ferry]

Sorry about global warming

that's on me

But right now I'm busy installing 1.5TB memory expansion in a server, brb when the server has 3TB memory

[finite atlas]

10 ish watts compared to the 4 ish that the pi uses, oh wow what a difference
i've modified an old laptop of mine and it never gets warmer then 20°c above ambient while being inaudible even with your ear close up

[clear ferry]

Typical me, full of shit

[finite atlas]

i hope you wont notice me stealing a stick of ram (:

[clear ferry]

I only have 48

One missing isn't bad

[finite atlas]

12 * 4gb?

[clear ferry]

These are only 32GB dimms, it supports 128GB dimms

[prisma briar]

That's literally over 2x the power draw and doesn't address the fact that a laptop is simply bigger and doesn't fit everywhere an RPi could. 10w is also not nothing in an enclosed space.

10w is also a crazy low power draw for a laptop, even at idle. If you actually look at what laptops draw you'd realize that that figure is unreasonable.

[prisma briar]

You are/were full of shit.

"Look at me I have 20A of servers running in a 2x2 closet!"

[clear ferry]

I've had customers run 3x42u in 3m²

Nothing amazes me anymore

That at least had a small ventilation system

[finite atlas]

its what the laptop draws at idle, where it mostly sits at, full load is like 30w
its also x86 and not arm, it can actually run stuff and not just jokes

[scenic radish]

🍿

[finite atlas]

🍿

[prisma briar]

10w is extremely low for a laptop at idle. I'd be wary of your measurements. That also doesn't address the fact that laptops simply don't fit in a lot of places you'd use an RPi.

[clear ferry]

Maybe said places should expand

[finite atlas]

it fits well into the drawer under my computer table

[prisma briar]

its also x86 and not arm, it can actually run stuff and not just jokes

99% of anything you'd want to run on an RPi will run on ARM.

[finite atlas]

no

[clear ferry]

You like the view @finite atlas ?

[finite atlas]

and what does, runs worse

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-archer-stop-so-erect-stop-my-penis-can-only-get-so-erect-archer-so-erect-gif-13850834

[last cedar]

Did you use the not handle as a handle?

[clear ferry]

I'll handle it anyway I want mam

[scenic radish]

Oh yes daddy

[prisma briar]

It sounds like you're running a task that an RPi isn't suited for then. That doesn't equate laptops being 'better' than RPis in general like you were previously implying.

[glacial knot]

my laptop is below 5W idle with display on

[last cedar]

@clear ferry can I use a vpn to your house and use some of your ram as a ramdisk?

[finite atlas]

neato ongy, mine is 10w without a display

[clear ferry]

Pis are great kids toys to be fair

[prisma briar]

What laptop?

[last cedar]

Raspberry pi sat on their knee

[forest edge]

oof kiss your mother with that mouth? lol

[glacial knot]

Tuxedo Infinitbook 14 V2 iirc.
I5-10210U, 32GB ram

[prisma briar]

Yea, seriously, 5w is only like 25% above what an RPi 4 uses at idle without a screen.

[last cedar]

You were gonna send me videos of coyotes ripping my mates into pieces, TO BE FAIR

[forest edge]

that are superior choice for many specific scenarios

can't shove a laptop in behind your car stereo etc

[finite atlas]

oh you better bet

[glacial knot]

just block him. I'm so surprised people haven't done that more

[forest edge]

lol tinkerer did

[finite atlas]

the mainboards in laptops are often pretty small

[last cedar]

Excellent idea!

[forest edge]

oh yea lets shove a bare pcb into a confined space surrounded by metal and wires

[finite atlas]

or do what i did

[prisma briar]

A bare PCB putting out "10w" of heat constantly into an enclosed space with no ventilation into a box that sits in the sun all day surrounded by metal and wires.

[last cedar]

Not that I am talking to you, but coating it in electrical tape will not only insulate it and look shit, it will also stop it from shorting out

[glacial knot]

last two laptops I used as SBCs had relatively large mainboards. But it's pretty thin, so whatever

[forest edge]

you know electrical tape melts right?

[prisma briar]

Yea, even something like a netbook is going to have a huge board compared to an RPi

[last cedar]

Minor detail raccoon hater, minor detail

[prisma briar]

Holy shit

[finite atlas]

hot glued inside a shoe box

[prisma briar]

You think that is better than an RPi?

[forest edge]

shoebox lol

[finite atlas]

yes

[clear ferry]

I'll do anything over a raspberry pi outside of kids stuff

[glacial knot]

what kind of abomination

[last cedar]

The panel mounted power switch is the best bit

[prisma briar]

You are a kid.

[forest edge]

anything?

[clear ferry]

If I need arm I'll do moonshot

[finite atlas]

its like 6 years old by now and only cost me a total of 30€
i5-3337u, 8gb ram, 128gb sata ssd

[glacial knot]

better than raspi /shrug

[finite atlas]

in any regards, yes

it even has speakers!

[glacial knot]

*every 🙂

[clear ferry]

To be fair, isambard 2 is arm, that one is pretty cool, but it isn't a raspberry pi

[prisma briar]

You guys are idiots if you really think that a laptop mobo in a shoebox beats an RPi in 'every' situation.

[glacial knot]

the issue with raspi isn't arm

[last cedar]

But it will use 6W at idle so a certain person will be angry

[finite atlas]

thank you for that compliment, that will stick forever to my heart 🥰

[glacial knot]

it's raspi

[last cedar]

Any time, raccoon liker

[forest edge]

jealousy runs deep in here

[forest edge]

licker?

[prisma briar]

Yea, it does seem like they're shitting on RPis just because they can't actually get them at the moment.

[glacial knot]

name any situation where buying a raspi (+ equipment) beats putting an old laptop in a shoebox

I have easy access to raspis if I wanted them

[forest edge]

pre-covid shortage or now?

[finite atlas]

minecraft ran at 60+ fps on the shoebox
watching youtube videos also works smoothly

[last cedar]

Imagine all the fur on the tongue. Omfg

[glacial knot]

I have a 3 and a 4 here, and a bunch more on my desk at work

[forest edge]

now imagine all that fur on a coyotes tongue...

[prisma briar]

I've answered that question multiple times now. Scroll up.

[finite atlas]

i have a pi 3 myself, its horrible

[glacial knot]

I don't see a single answer. So I'll just assume you have none

[prisma briar]

I'm going to assume you're too stupid to use your scroll wheel.

[glacial knot]

since i don't have one on this device /shrug

[finite atlas]

his answer was simple, there are some usecases where a kids toy is better

[prisma briar]

Which is literally all I was saying.

[finite atlas]

but nothing specific

[glacial knot]

buying it is still worse than re-use

having the GPIOs might be worth something. But ESP32s, or e.g. beagle bone black (wifi) would be better choices than raspi as well

[scenic radish]

Good lord can we please move on

[prisma briar]

Not necessarily if you factor in wasted power/wasted space. There's a reason datacenters replace perfectly good hardware.

[finite atlas]

no, bullying people is fun

[clear ferry]

Thankfully I can't get any pis at the moment, it brings joy to my heart that other also have to find better alternatives 😄

[forest edge]

there are no better alternatives tho

[glacial knot]

^^ Bananas

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/8uK6.gif

[forest edge]

you don't buy an rpi to play minecraft on

[prisma briar]

All depends on the task you're doing, nothing is better than all other options in all categories.

[finite atlas]

i bought one, to run pi-hole on it, but my wifi router has such functionality on its own, so i ran HA on it a while, but the pi is just too slow for anything

[forest edge]

yea well HA stopped supporting the rpi2 a long time ago

[clear ferry]

My Pi1 is unused, my pi3b is unused, my pi4 is currently used as a retropie, and I'm testing a pi0w to monitor a ups without any machines around

[finite atlas]

its a pi3 b+

[prisma briar]

Yea, claiming the RPi is bad because it doesn't play Minecraft or YouTube well is like claiming a hammer is bad because it sucks at putting in wood screws.

[forest edge]

i agree it is slow as balls on that but it still works.. currently have one in service right now running a zigbee network

[clear ferry]

I have 4 pi0w laying in a box

[glacial knot]

the rpi is bad because rpi foundation has no idea how to build a product from a toy

[finite atlas]

yeah lol hammers suck

[clear ferry]

I have no shortage of pi's

they still suck

😄

[forest edge]

you have old pi's tho...

[finite atlas]

i have no shortage either, because i dont want them

[glacial knot]

also, broadcom sucks

[forest edge]

just like everything else you have.. it's ancient shit

[glacial knot]

RPI4 having 4k HEVC decoder but only 1080p AVC is also pretty baffling

[clear ferry]

Atleast I don't have 1200ft of cat5e

[forest edge]

altho i still have an rpib+ in use as a network print server lol

[glacial knot]

do you have 400 meters? 😂

[forest edge]

cause you can't afford quality

[clear ferry]

@glacial knot sodomy tried to convince me that he ran 1200ft of cat5e and got gigabit

[forest edge]

i did not you goober

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/7wNj.gif

[glacial knot]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

imagine 400m of DAC 🤔

[prisma briar]

The SFP connectors would get so hot

[finite atlas]

rawr

[glacial knot]

you have a weird fetish

[finite atlas]

i have a hot glued and zip tied laptop mainboard in a shoebox, so yes

[prisma briar]

Wait, is that a bondage thing for you?

[forest edge]

wtf you using that for anyways?

[finite atlas]

mhm

[glacial knot]

I just had my laptop thrown behind the TV ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite atlas]

for my pleasure

[forest edge]

foot warmer?

[glacial knot]

I'll tie you up with 400m of DAC 😉

[prisma briar]

Minecraft, YouTube, and kinks I don't want to know about.

[last cedar]

Hot glue, zipties and shoe box does sound fetish like

[finite atlas]

You're welcome Michelle

[glacial knot]

I'm not sure how you'd do BDSM in a shoebox. But I'd like to hear

[prisma briar]

I'm not sure either but I bet it involves hot glue and zipties.

[last cedar]

Well not exactly shoe box

[forest edge]

it's the shoebox part.. foot fetish is a real thing

[last cedar]

But can't really go into details

[glacial knot]

we know that you like your trashcans submissive

[last cedar]

More of a switch tbh. Sometimes it is nice to be dominated by a trashcan. I would guess

[finite atlas]

i currently dont use the laptop at all
but i used it as a normal desktop pc for a while and lended it to a friend when she needed a more powerfull pc then a celeron bases intel nuc

[prisma briar]

No wonder an RPi didn't stack up to it then, lol.

[finite atlas]

have used it a while for game servers with friends and might use it again for that

[glacial knot]

I do want an RPI400 though. that one looks like a cute toy

[finite atlas]

i gifted my cusin one, as a toy

[forest edge]

gift me one as a toy

[finite atlas]

sure thing, give me your adress and full name here in dc

publically

[clear ferry]

I still get nauseaus thinking about people who use 10GBase-T and 2.5 nonsense

[glacial knot]

also SSN. I'm sure that's needed for your custom declaration for some bullshit reason

now I do wonder. is there a 2.5Gbit/s ethernet hat for the raspi?

[finite atlas]

because they grew up with 1GBase-T and like it, its a normal cable aswell and not fragile fiber

[forest edge]

sure thing, it's Wile E. Coyote @ New Mexico desert

[clear ferry]

hopefully not @glacial knot

[prisma briar]

Never heard someone be an elitist about 10G wiring types before, lol.

[finite atlas]

aight, give me a day and i'll ship it

[last cedar]

Michelle the raccoon

3rd trashcan down on the right side

The recycling center in Sweden

Sweden

[glacial knot]

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/raspberry-pi-25-gbps-16-tb-omv-nas-setup-and-performance

[finite atlas]

you'll get one too and the chocolate we couldn't bring you last time

[clear ferry]

@finite atlas I've installed probably 30k fiber cables the last 10 years, I still only have broken a handful

[prisma briar]

10GBase-T is fine as long as your run length is reasonable (10G's max run length is 1/2 of 1G over cat6) and not using it in an absurdly noisy environment.

[last cedar]

❤️

[clear ferry]

I've thankfully only seen a dozen 10GBase-T links the last 5 years

what nonsense

if you want to talk about heat generation

[prisma briar]

I ran one at home to my desktop because I didn't want to run fiber through my walls

[clear ferry]

o boy

disgusting @glacial knot

[glacial knot]

btw. do you know what cfs is? 😂

[finite atlas]

yes, 3 letters

[glacial knot]

I bet I can find linus doing dumb things with pis

[clear ferry]

oooof

linus

what a pretentious fuck

😄

I barf in my mouth whenever I see him

[forest edge]

ltt? i thought he was your hero

[finite atlas]

he turned more and more into a joke

[forest edge]

not seen an ltt video in awhile

[finite atlas]

i like the ltt drops series

[forest edge]

riley is the best person they got

[finite atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF248uEezjI

[prisma briar]

Some of the ideas Alex comes up with to make random crap are interesting, but they're always executed terribly.

[finite atlas]

i prefer anthony
he dosnt have adhd unlike the rest

[forest edge]

anthony is actually atx

thats why i thought linus was his hero

[finite atlas]

nah, atx is even cooler

[forest edge]

I did like ltt when they focused more on just reviewing new stuff and testing things

sometimes it's hard to clear answer on products abilities and many channels don't cover everything

[finite atlas]

i loved their scrapyard wars, but thats about it

[prisma briar]

The random videos like 'How long can we extend PCI-E risers' were interesting.

[glacial knot]

500m thunderbolt was also fun

[prisma briar]

https://i.redd.it/1ibiiqix3nx81.jpg Lol at that key holder

[finite atlas]

disgusting setup

[forest edge]

the little plastic tabs break too easy to do that with

[prisma briar]

Hmm, he runs "Lavarel". lol

[forest edge]

i wonder how many rpi4's are in possession of scalpers just trying to make bank

[finite atlas]

yes

[forest edge]

i like how this site shows the only pi variant in stock is the 3A lol https://rpilocator.com/

[prisma briar]

I still haven't been able to find an RPi 4 anywhere.

[finite atlas]

ebay.com

[prisma briar]

Not paying scalper prices

[finite atlas]

sucks to be you then

and to rely on raspberry pi's

[prisma briar]

You're an idiot.

Through and through.

[finite atlas]

yes and so are you

[glacial knot]

why would you try to find the rpi? o.0

[forest edge]

yea I wouldn't bother even looking till they reflood the market

thank god the pi foundation has already stated they will return the prices back to normal after supplys return

[prisma briar]

I check newark every 6 months or so to see if they're back in stock yet.

[finite atlas]

a used laptop is just so much more cheaper nowdays

[prisma briar]

Nobody wants to have a motherboard superglued to a shoebox.

[glacial knot]

it's free when you already have one

[clear ferry]

lol shoebox

what is this

hobo computing

[glacial knot]

no need to glue it

[finite atlas]

i wanted it

a friend of mine wanted it

[forest edge]

downside about many pc alternatives is use case in exterme weather

[finite atlas]

so, you are clearly the fool here

[prisma briar]

It's what Oberfail thinks is a valid replacement for a micro passively-cooled SBC.

[clear ferry]

There are a lot of water proof and passive intels

[finite atlas]

yes

[prisma briar]

Yea, Intel's low-end procs have some overlap with RPi use-cases. A laptop in a shoebox has less overlap.

[finite atlas]

the shoebox could be passively cooled aswell and is a sbc aswell

[forest edge]

passive isn't enough, barn temps get rather hot and rather cold lol

[shadow prawn]

The heck‘s goin on here 😂

[orchid rose]

In what way? I actually don't see that, even though I can understand why people could be annoyed with him

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-troll-drive-by-memes-gif-18645179

[prisma briar]

That laptop you posted isn't an SBC. SBC means single-board.

[orchid rose]

nerds vs geeks

[finite atlas]

yeah, it is

[prisma briar]

No, it's not. It's a board with multiple daughterboards and a giant heatsync.

By definition not even close to an SBC.

[glacial knot]

I had my old laptop in an SBC config

heatsync doesn't matter for SBC

[finite atlas]

well by definition, even a pi isnt a sbc then

[glacial knot]

why did i copy that sync? Heatsink =.=

[finite atlas]

it needs an extra storage medium and there needs one more board

[glacial knot]

hm? Pi comes without daughter boards or heatsinks by default

you don't actually need storage. PXE + nfs root

[finite atlas]

lol yes, could do that with the laptop aswell

but no

[prisma briar]

Oberfail thinks he's being crafty by counting the SD card as a second board.

[forest edge]

rpi5 with emmc..

[finite atlas]

Netham thinks he is being smartery, by using a SD card as a storage device

[forest edge]

the sd tray is exactly what I feared maybe melting off the pi in the barn lol

i read that's always the first thing to give way under exterme heat

[finite atlas]

does your cake really get that hot in the barn?

[prisma briar]

Holy crap you're a moron. You can configure a system to run perfectly well off of an SD card.

[clear ferry]

eww sd cards

pass

[glacial knot]

read-only are ok

[clear ferry]

if you must

[prisma briar]

Hell, a lot of servers come with SD card slots to run their OS off of because they expect you to use all the drive bays for bulk storage.

[forest edge]

i'm midwest. i get a dab of everything short of Siberian weather

[clear ferry]

Good thing modern OS' have stopped supporting SD card boot

most recently Vmware ESXi

[prisma briar]

Yea, the trend seems to be moving towards USB drives.

[forest edge]

you need to stop smoking old carpet

sdcard 4lyfe

[finite atlas]

nvme > sata > usb > sdcard

[prisma briar]

apples > oranges

[finite atlas]

bread = toast

[glacial knot]

server OSs are also very read-mostly. So they don't suffer as much from shitty storage

no

[clear ferry]

No USB drives aren't a good option either

[finite atlas]

better then micro sd, but still not good

[forest edge]

flash drives are the exact same as sdcard

[clear ferry]

SATA or NVMe are the only viable options for anything that isn't a falliable toy

[prisma briar]

Yea, which is how an RPi should be configured for maximum lifespan. I always disable logging or set the mounts to RO.

[glacial knot]

SAS?

[clear ferry]

or SAS

[shadow prawn]

Using an usb to sd stick

[finite atlas]

yes, perfect

[clear ferry]

NVMeOF if you so must @glacial knot !

[glacial knot]

bah. PATA

[forest edge]

newer pi's will have onboard emmc

i bet mulah

[finite atlas]

ew

[glacial knot]

I want my fat ribbon cables!

[finite atlas]

they should really start to adopt proper tech

[shadow prawn]

The emmc of my old samsung galaxy note 10.1 also melted away

[finite atlas]

how?

[forest edge]

you sir got a lemon

[shadow prawn]

The emmc isn’t very good and after a time all reserve storage is eaten up and then its trash, were a common problem

[clear ferry]

lol emmc

great for chromebooks

wouldn't use it in much else

[glacial knot]

we made the experience that eMMC likes to not even have wear leveling for smart reservers

[forest edge]

emmc is perfectly fine as a replacement for the sd reader

[finite atlas]

if raspberry would only natively support nvme..

[glacial knot]

does it not? the CM has PCIe

[prisma briar]

The Pi4 has 1x 2.0 PCIe

[finite atlas]

do you see a slot on it to plug one in?

[forest edge]

oberfail only see's rpi as rpi3

[prisma briar]

I doubt it'd natively boot from NVMe though

[glacial knot]

well, the firmware on the devices is laughably bad, so it probably wouldn't boot from it, even if it technically may support htem

[prisma briar]

Quit being such an idiot.

[forest edge]

the rpi4 can and does. there are cases already that have nvme daughter boards

[glacial knot]

I can just solder one on. It's not too hard

[finite atlas]

quit being annoyed so easily, thats too fun to stop

[glacial knot]

and CM is supposed to go on carriers either way

[clear ferry]

brb, I'll use some wet string to get the nvme connected to the headers on the pi4

it can't get worse than sd boot anyway

[glacial knot]

does the standard 4 expose the pcie anywhere?

[forest edge]

norwat ingenuity

[finite atlas]

i think its used for usb

[prisma briar]

Yea, the CM ones have pins that expose the PCI-E lane, the normal one can have the USB controller desoldered and replaced with whatever. The common mod I see is to bridge the PCI-E ports directly to a USB 3 port and use one of those PCI-E over USB adapters crypto miners use.

[clear ferry]

ew

[glacial knot]

😂

[forest edge]

lol crypto miners

those people need to die in a fire

[glacial knot]

they should solder on actual good networking

well, I guess that was added in the 4

[forest edge]

yea seems like so many of you keep forgetting just how much of a leap the 4 is vs the 3

[clear ferry]

my friends up north still do crypto mining

because power is dead cheap there

[prisma briar]

I bet the Pi 4 could even play Minecraft!

[forest edge]

it can

[clear ferry]

€0.01 per kwh

[finite atlas]

just not very well

[prisma briar]

Have you even used a Pi 4, @finite atlas ?

[forest edge]

makes sense, cheap power, passively snow cooling..

[finite atlas]

if the 400 counts, yes

[forest edge]

the 400 counts.. it's even slightly faster than the normal rpi4

[finite atlas]

still slow and bad

but an improvement over the 3

[forest edge]

however using a keyboard as a case and trying to use that for projects is aids

[prisma briar]

That keyboard looks awful too

[forest edge]

rpi4 is not slow

[shadow prawn]

They‘re good for the use as a music player

Espacially zero (2w)

[forest edge]

the hwaccell in the rpi4 is impressive as shit considering the size/cost

[prisma briar]

He just wants to shit on it so his laptop seems nicer.

[forest edge]

haters gonna hate

[prisma briar]

Did they improve the DAC in the RPi 4/zero2w?

It was garbage on the previous revisions.

[shadow prawn]

Dunno, have used gpio hats

[prisma briar]

Actually, was there even a DAC on the older ones? I think they may have just used 1-bit PWM.

Yea, I set up an MT-32 synth emulator using an RPi3 and had to get a hat to output the audio because the onboard port was so awful.

[shadow prawn]

Yes, hopefully the next pi has improved audio

[forest edge]

i don't think the jack was really meant for output they just combined it in for the hell of it

works great for mic tho

[clear ferry]

I'm sorry, I only work on systems that are actually usable for anything

[forest edge]

oh scratch that, the jack isn't input. i thought it was

[clear ferry]

I can't hear you over my 100% uptimes

and online scalability

[forest edge]

my rpi4 is 100% uptime

and has been for how many years i've had it.. minus the times i rebooted for updates

[clear ferry]

that isn't 100% uptime then

you don't have HA failover

😄

[forest edge]

i don't think intended reboots count as downtime lol

[clear ferry]

it does

[prisma briar]

There's nothing stopping you from setting up failover/a clustered fs on RPis.

[clear ferry]

not except the userbase

[forest edge]

you know it's only a matter of time till russia emp's ukraine and your likely close enough to get fucked by it

[prisma briar]

If the userbase is what's stopping you from doing something that's a you problem.

[clear ferry]

Thankfully rpi users isn't my userbase

[forest edge]

hobbits can't use more to scale hardware

[clear ferry]

I'm not too worried about emps either

Most systems I care about are behind at least two emp shielding barriers

[prisma briar]

Nobody asked or cares about what your userbase uses, but k.

[shadow prawn]

🐖

[clear ferry]

🐷

[shadow prawn]

Time for deascalating pig

[prisma briar]

🐽

[finite atlas]

your belly and what else?

[shadow prawn]

Oink oink

[clear ferry]

my ass of course

[forest edge]

oh? do tell

i wish HA made a lite version.. and not some command line bs either

[clear ferry]

You aren't security cleared to know more

so there is nothing to tell

I run HA lite tbh, I never open the frontend

[prisma briar]

Are you 12 years old?

[clear ferry]

Yes

At least

Probably 9

[prisma briar]

Why are you trying to brag about everything?

[static schooner]

you must be new here...

[prisma briar]

I haven't hung out in this specific channel much.

[static schooner]

there's no middle ground between vomit and "what atx has/does"

[shadow prawn]

Its atx

[forest edge]

Netham is getting a crash course on how the regulars act around these here parts

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/14E1.gif

I'm at least not a namecalling condecending little man 😄

[forest edge]

pretty sure cellophane isn't protecting your shit from an emp anyways

[prisma briar]

You've been nothing but condescending, you hypocritical oaf.

[clear ferry]

Oh

Ok

Said the guy who calls everyone idiots and 12 year olds

[prisma briar]

"Oh, RPis? Those suck, I play with BETTER STUFF CHECK IT ALL OUT!"

[forest edge]

I would like to take credit for making atx extra condescending

[prisma briar]

I only called two people idiots and 12 year olds.

[clear ferry]

You can have that credit

[prisma briar]

And, in my defense, you're acting like a 12 year old and Oberfail was being an idiot.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bP7W0.gif

[forest edge]

it's OT, if your not acting like a jackass your doing it wrong

oh thank you lg, what i always wanted to know

[prisma briar]

Hence calling people idiots and 12 year olds. :P

[forest edge]

so glad i spent extra money for wifi capabilities

[prisma briar]

lol

[static schooner]

This is a great example of "ok, now what do I do with this information?"

[prisma briar]

I never bothered connecting my washer and dryer to HA.

[forest edge]

here let me show you ==> 🗑️

[clear ferry]

I always knew Sodoma was delicate

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-popcorn-day-cinema-gif-5026744

[forest edge]

I would like to file an official complaint for name calling... ban him!!!

[clear ferry]

ban me like one of your french girls @static schooner

[prisma briar]

Oh, you're going the "Oh shit, I got called out for being an idiot. Wait! I was just trolling!" route?

[finite atlas]

no, i'm clearly right and you are clearly wrong

pi's suck, in everything

[prisma briar]

Your face is wrong.

[shadow prawn]

I wanna scream and shout

[finite atlas]

as much as the existence of raspberries is wrong

[finite atlas]

and let it all out

[shadow prawn]

Bring the action!

[forest edge]

the fruit? i agree... gross

[prisma briar]

Blackberries > raspberries

[finite atlas]

actuall usefull hardware > trashberry pi's

[prisma briar]

Laptop mobo superglued to your cumbox != actually useful hardware

[finite atlas]

you are wrong

its a bdsmbox

[forest edge]

spunk bucket?

this convo going in a dark direction

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/kallemann-smestad-bdsm-creepy-smask-gif-7379819

Tomorrow CEO again

[prisma briar]

... That wasn't glue, was it?

[finite atlas]

hot glue

also @prisma briar , i found you

https://tenor.com/view/clowns-gif-23470828

[shadow prawn]

He made a jailbreak tool

[prisma briar]

Yea, for the Surface RT.

Jeez, that was almost a decade ago.

[shadow prawn]

Time is merciless

[prisma briar]

Aww, umad?

[finite atlas]

yes me mäd

[prisma briar]

Ümad.

[clear ferry]

I'm pretty sure I know who is closer to 12 out of me and Nutham 🤔

[finite atlas]

më mäd

[prisma briar]

I was posting jailbreaks when I was 2?

[clear ferry]

Probably

[prisma briar]

Damn I'm good.

[shadow prawn]

Life is a waterfall, and what comes down goes around

[finite atlas]

is there a hidden treasure behind the waterwall?

[shadow prawn]

Hopefully

[prisma briar]

Yea, look for the discolored patch of rock and blow it open.

[shadow prawn]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0xKmZG7V6F5ejJckXgJx6O

[shadow prawn]

I killed the discussion, nice

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hitchhikers-guide-galaxy-thursday-arthur-gif-14478086

[clear ferry]

My first day of overtime in a few months

and it's on a paternity leave day

so all hours are 100%

6 hours of 100% overtime helps, that'll cover a new dryer

[prisma briar]

I just got a Samsung washer and dryer, pretty happy with them so far.

They've got SmartThings integration, though the only useful thing that that really adds is notifications when they're done.

[last cedar]

I heard that Samsung devices use about 5W more than any competitors products in the same category

[prisma briar]

You can configure/start a load from your phone but you have to hit a button on the machines every time they're powered on to actually allow remote control, and there's no way to remotely turn them on.

[last cedar]

That sounds quite sensible, nothing like coming home to your washer washing nothing when a hacker gets hold of it

[prisma briar]

Yea, plus you have to be local to the machine to actually swap the laundry out anyways.

idk, maybe if you wanted to fill it and set it to run overnight for cheaper power it'd be useful.

[last cedar]

It doesn't load an empty itself?! Wtf

I should invent that tbh

[prisma briar]

I think they have a timer I can set to put a delay before they run though.

[clear ferry]

Samsung dryer is what I have

it has been shit

not even gonna bother selling it

Going back to bosch

bought it on sale in 2019 I think, I can probably give it away to someone just to get rid of it

[prisma briar]

I got mine around the start of this year.

The washer/dryer that were here when I bought the house didn't work right. Washer would just turn off randomly in the middle of a load and the dryer didn't get hot.

[finite atlas]

you're a good raccoon, here have some treats

[restive vapor]

I got a two in one one

Although it has no homeassistant intergration

It works fine

[prisma briar]

I never actually connected mine to HomeAssistant. I'm still using SmartThings with them. I don't see it as worth the risk of exposing HA to the internet for the SmartThings integration just to get pinged when my laundry is done from a different interface.

It still relies on SmartThings too so no benefit for things like working completely offline.

[clear ferry]

Oh nice, queues home

Even more overtime

[finite atlas]

even more money you can donate to your own children

[clear ferry]

What other children should I absorb?

[prisma briar]

That seems like the kind of question that'd land one on a list.

[finite atlas]

me me me!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/807356067742875668.gif?v=1

[clear ferry]

[finite atlas]

one day i'll get you to do it

[restive vapor]

Which model support smart things

[prisma briar]

WA52A5500AC and DVE52A5500C

https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/washers/top-load/5-2-cu--ft--large-capacity-smart-top-load-washer-with-super-speed-wash-in-champagne-wa52a5500ac-us/
https://www.samsung.com/us/home-appliances/dryers/electric/7-4-cu--ft--smart-electric-dryer-with-steam-sanitize--in-champagne-dve52a5500c-a3/

[restive vapor]

I got a WA7 one

[prisma briar]

I got the nicest washer/dryer I could find that was in stock locally for same-day pickup.

[restive vapor]

So no intergration for mine?

[prisma briar]

idk, what's your full model number?

[last cedar]

Tyvm. You are very kind. Unlike @forest edge

[restive vapor]

WA70H4000SG

[restive vapor]

Smartthings need me to be over 18 but homeassistant don't
That why I love open source

[prisma briar]

I don't see anything that mentions SmartThings on the product specs.

It's all over the advertising for mine.

[restive vapor]

Yeah and I legally can't use smart things

[prisma briar]

I never cared about age limits when I was underage.

Had a PayPal account when I was like 15

[finite atlas]

so in 3 years?

[prisma briar]

Only if we've gone back to 2002.

[finite atlas]

is that the year your parents were born?

[prisma briar]

Yea, mom had me when she was 8.

[finite atlas]

damn

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/coyote-gif-23615538

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sammy-didonato-flirty-raising-eyebrows-flirting-boy-eyebrows-flirting-gif-15259447

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/coyote-gif-19638963

@forest edge

[umbral cliff]

That sonoma trying to get gigabit on his kilometre long cat 5e?

[forest edge]

feisty dinner is tasty dinner

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-lick-yum-yummy-wiley-coyote-gif-4815933

[forest edge]

man they are predicting the chip shortage effects will be felt till mid 2023 or longer

@tidal bronze still with us or did you finally get shanked on the plane for your bag of peanuts?

[umbral cliff]

Not surprised in the slightest. Not only is there the issues from the last 2 years, but the demand from the last 2.5 years and the future that all need to be caught up

[forest edge]

well now that there is more in play than just supply they are saying there is real chances that shit could crash around the same time stuff starts to normalize

a real recession in 2000's would be interesting

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-gif-5914845

[late gate]

I got up before 8am today. I need a standing applause

[clear ferry]

You mean every day

[low harness]

Good job!

[forest edge]

holy crap reseting win10 on a laptop and it is taking foooooorrreeeeever!

may be time to upgrade it's hd to ssd

[late gate]

@clear ferry I run my own company. I get up at 13:00 :p

[clear ferry]

Zzzz

Up at 7, to bed at 23-24

I usually fall asleep at 01-02 though

[late gate]

Im in bed at 22, turn off tv at 23, then take my pills and sleep

listening to a podcast

thats my rutine

Im NOT a morning person. Im already grumpy

[clear ferry]

I didn't use to be

I am now

Yes, to all follow up questions

[late gate]

I hope frigate release the custom model training soon. I have a flood light that turns on if frigate detect a person in the back yard, when I go out with the dogs. I noticed it has been turning on and off the whole night. Poor neighbours, it light up the side of their house lol

[shadow prawn]

I were at job at 7 a.m. today

[late gate]

Now I just use the philips sensor. Been working fine

A gold medal to you @shadow prawn

[shadow prawn]

Thanks

😂

[umbral cliff]

Are you an idiot

[clear ferry]

Yes

[glacial knot]

yes

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/uj2c04/raising_an_adorable_raccoon_to_be_the_best/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Started my new job today

[finite atlas]

so hecking adorable!

[finite atlas]

did your buisness changed from stealing dormats to bells?

[last cedar]

If I help people build houses, that have doors, the number of available doormats to steal increases. It is a 200 IQ move

[finite atlas]

woah, smart

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/de3l5x29psx81.jpg

[brisk glen]

I regret not buying the doormat, “Keep Calm and Coño” off of Amazon.. it’s gone

[finite atlas]

visit michelle and steal it from her, she has plenty of doormats

[cold marlin]

anyone have suggestions for a google photos-esque self-hosted option?

[dry arrow]

prismatic

[cold marlin]

sweet, thanks. i'll have a look

[dry arrow]

sorry...photoprism

[cold marlin]

gonna have to upgrade from the pi, i imagine, lol

[dry arrow]

I mistyped

[cold marlin]

ah, i've seen that mentioned

[dry arrow]

https://hub.docker.com/r/photoprism/photoprism

I run it in docker, it works well and is pretty lightweight for what it does

[cold marlin]

i don't have a proper server yet, just my HA pi

[dry arrow]

ah. well a proper server is a good idea, but I used a Pi for a long time lol

[cold marlin]

oh yeah?

[dry arrow]

now I'm running an old Mac Mini and it does Plex, HA, Nextcloud, and a few other things

[cold marlin]

how many external HDD cani hook up to the pi, haha

[dry arrow]

you don't need to go buy expensive new hardware

[cold marlin]

i have an extra really old laptop, but i was thinking of going on marketplace and finding something cheap

[dry arrow]

I've got one of these

https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-PROBOX-SATA-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B09WPPJHSS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1LX6MSX8DCRYY&keywords=mediasonic+drive&qid=1651842539&sprefix=mediasonic+drive%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUzc1T0hBQlJQRVQ1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDEwNzk5MlVQVFVCQk1NSlBTQSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwOTIxMTAwMVVaOTZRN1lEVjJLRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

with a couple 8TB drives configured with ZFS

(also recommend ZFS btw)

[cold marlin]

ooo that's nice. got a few 1-2 TB drives laying around

[dry arrow]

yeah, if I were to start over I'd use 4TB drives for more striping, which equals speed, as well as being cheaper to replace

raidz means you lose one drive's worth of space

[cold marlin]

right, that makes sense

[dry arrow]

so with 4 8tb you lose 8 tb. with 4 4tb you lose 4tb

[cold marlin]

that's pretty legit, last time i looked at raid it was 50% of space (i think)

[dry arrow]

well, ZFS is software raid. you should do some reading on it before implementing.

but it's got a lot of really nice features

for instance, integrated compression

[cold marlin]

this is gonna be a ridic rabbit hole, i imagine

[dry arrow]

so every file you copy to it is auto-compressed in the background

[cold marlin]

i like that

[dry arrow]

you have no idea lol

but yeah especially with a Pi 3 or 4 you can do a lot

or just get a second Pi

[cold marlin]

hmm, didn't imagine that would cut it

[finite atlas]

you can get old computers for a lower price than a pi with much more performance & upgradability

[cold marlin]

seems like an annoyance to have 2 of them, might as well just bite it and get a bigger device

[cold marlin]

trying to balance running costs, i have an old gaming pc, but not really appropriate for this, haha

[clever mortar]

An old laptop makes a good low power "server"

[cold marlin]

how old? haha

[finite atlas]

And idles somewhere around 8-15w

[clever mortar]

Mine is about 9 years old and runs HA and other things

It's an old i5 laptop, peaking at around 10W

[finite atlas]

intel sandy bridge or newer is just fine (2000 generation)

[cold marlin]

i think the one i've got is about 15 years old

hmm, might work out then

[clever mortar]

You "just" need 64 bit, 2+ GB of RAM, 2+ Cores, and ideally a CPUmark of 2K+

[cold marlin]

and it has a ups

[finite atlas]

yeah thats a great benefit

[cold marlin]

lol, searched for a nuc on FB, and everything is related to bees

[finite atlas]

I have a i5-3337u Laptop that works here and there as a server
2c / 4t 2.5Ghz full load, 8gb of ram, 128gb ssd
total cost were like 30€

[cold marlin]

how's the transition from pi to NUC? start from scratch

[clear ferry]

Anything better than a pi?

Yes

[finite atlas]

anything is better then a pi

[glacial knot]

But is it in a shoebox?

[clever mortar]

If you're running HAOS, backup and restore to the new install

[cold marlin]

rather, from pi to pc

[clear ferry]

Glued into a shoebox thank you @glacial knot

[cold marlin]

i'm on docker

[clear ferry]

Then just copy all files

Including hidden ones

[cold marlin]

wasn't sure if architecture matters or something

[clear ferry]

It doesn't

[cold marlin]

sweeeet

[clever mortar]

No different, copy the config folder and you're good

[finite atlas]

yes

[clear ferry]

You are lying @finite atlas

That would be too hot!

[finite atlas]

like you?

[cold marlin]

damn, this got a lot easier and cheaper than i thought it would be

you think google will give my $20 back? lol

[finite atlas]

why?

[cold marlin]

just bought 100GB of space cause i was putting this off

[finite atlas]

ouch

[clear ferry]

Mmmm cloud space

I pay $7 a month for unlimited in jottacloud

It's rate limited from 5TB onwards

[cold marlin]

i have a backblaze account setup, but only use it for docker backup right now

is it recommended to use identical HDD in raid setups?

[clear ferry]

Well, in raid you should yes

Also in zfs

And preferably in lvm

Snapraid / mergerfs doesn't care

[cold marlin]

damn

interesting that you need to plan for max storage with ZFS ahead of time

[dry arrow]

not really...

[clear ferry]

Well, not really

But your vdev size is defined up front

But you can migrate later

[cold marlin]

ah ok

[clear ferry]

And new dRAID alleviate that

[dry arrow]

@clear ferry you seem to know more than I do...is there a good way to expand a zfs solution besides waiting for the new attach function due later this year?

[clear ferry]

Expand zfs? In what way? Increase vdev size? Or increase zpool size?

[dry arrow]

zpool size I expect. I apologize I'm still fairly new to it myself

[clear ferry]

You would add multiple vdevs to the zpool

[dry arrow]

I created a zpool with 2 8TB drives. I have 4 8TB drives total, but they all have data on them.

[clear ferry]

You can't add the other ones without wiping them

Also the only think you can do is add a new vdev mirror

And add it to the pool

[dry arrow]

oh that's fine, I copied all the data from them onto the current zpool

I'm in raidz

not mirrored

[clear ferry]

But this is a poor setup, you'd be better off with a 4device raidz1

[dry arrow]

yeah that's my goal

[clear ferry]

You... Cant have a raidz with two drives... Afaik

Could you do a zpool status

[dry arrow]

basically, I had 2 drives with data and 2 of them were for backup. I wiped the backup drives and created a raidz pool, then copied the contents of one of the main drives to it. Now I want to add that main drive to the pool, then copy the data from the OTHER main drive to the pool since now I'll have room, and then finally add that last drive to the pool.

    storage-pool                                     ONLINE       0     0     0
      raidz1-0                                       ONLINE       0     0     0
        usb-WDC_WD12_0EMFZ-11A6JA0_152D00539000-0:0  ONLINE       0     0     0
        usb-ST8000DM_004-2CX188_152D00539000-0:1     ONLINE       0     0     0

[clear ferry]

Usb drives ?

Oh boy

[dry arrow]

I'll give you it's not the most efficient setup

but it's what I've got and can afford. I'

I'm working towards an all-internal drive setup

[clear ferry]

Could you do zpool list

[dry arrow]

ok

[cold marlin]

not promising for this computer: "Intel Core i5-450M Processor 2.40GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 2.66 GHz"

[clear ferry]

I'm curious if you have a stripe

[dry arrow]

storage-pool  14.5T  9.54T  5.01T        -         -     0%    65%  1.00x    ONLINE  -

should be striped yeah

[clear ferry]

Yeah you have a stripe, if a single drive fails, you lose data

[dry arrow]

functionally a raidz with 2 drives is pretty much the same as mirrored

[clear ferry]

No, you have raid0

[dry arrow]

?

I don't think so

[clear ferry]

Every write will do round robin for write

[dry arrow]

2 8TB drives in raidz = ~8TB usable space

[clear ferry]

Well... 14.5TB available storage with 2x8TB drives

[dry arrow]

yeah but I don't have that much storage available

[clear ferry]

You sure do

You've even written 9.5TB

[dry arrow]

nope, zpool list will show the total capacity of the drives

NOT the usable

I had this concern when I first did it

storage-pool            4.77T  2.28T      120K  /storage-pool

[clear ferry]

Ah my bad

I see the same

[dry arrow]

my pool has about the 7TB usable

yeah it's confusing

for sure

anyway, what I want to do is add another 8TB drive to my array but I don't think I can

[clear ferry]

I've never seen a raidz1 with two drives before

I can't see how that is allowed

[dry arrow]

I mean, it works

[finite atlas]

why shouldnt it be?

[dry arrow]

it still has parity etc

the difference between raidz with 2 drives and mirrored raid is that the raidz should be able to add another drive eventually and expand capacity

while mirrored would add redundancy instead

[clear ferry]

Your best option currently is to migrate data out, then make a new raidz1 imo

[dry arrow]

yeah but I don't have the space to do it

[clear ferry]

Or create a dRAID, but I have no experience with those

[finite atlas]

how about noraid?

living on the edge

full risk, no rewards

[clear ferry]

I've seen the request to add drives to vdev in the past, but it always gets pushed forward, and with dRAID here it makes more sense there

[dry arrow]

huh never heard of dRAID

I'll have to google it

[clear ferry]

https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Basic Concepts/dRAID Howto.html

How much memory does your host have? And how many sata / sas ports does it have?

[dry arrow]

16GB memory

and...no sata ports. It's a Mac Mini

[clear ferry]

So barely enough

If only using zfs

Oh

[dry arrow]

again, I'm planning on upgrading but not right now

[clear ferry]

So not great

[dry arrow]

I mean it works perfectly fine for now

[clear ferry]

I run on a r510 currently, with a single msa70 attached

I might be getting a few 3par shelves to attach to it soon, but I should also upgrade to a r720

[cold marlin]

should i waste my time with this beauty? https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02492953

[finite atlas]

no

[cold marlin]

prob will have to go buy something better for $50 used

[clear ferry]

It's... Really old

[finite atlas]

i said 2000 gen or newer

its an i5 450m..

[clear ferry]

4xxx should be reasonably priced too

[cold marlin]

maybe i don't know what 2000 gen is

[clear ferry]

A CPU with 2xxx in the name

[cold marlin]

oooooh

[clear ferry]

That is first gen

So 0450

[cold marlin]

was thinking year

[finite atlas]

nooooo

[cold marlin]

and now that i'm acutally thinking about it realizing that pc from 2000 would be.... useless

[clear ferry]

Hey, I work on systems from the 90s still

Don't be mean

[finite atlas]

look out for used laptops maybe even in bad condition or with a broken screen, as its a server you shouldnt really care about looks

[cold marlin]

lol

right, i'm going to do that, should be really easy to find something

hard part is getting a model number from folks on fb

[clear ferry]

Ew Facebook

[cold marlin]

just bought a dirt cheap basement tv, and even that was a struggle

yeah well, craigslist is dead

[clear ferry]

I still can say I've never had a Facebook account

[cold marlin]

congratulations to you

[finite atlas]

lucky atx

[clear ferry]

log in with Facebook?

no thank you, I'm a Christian man

[cold marlin]

i have a google account, too

[clear ferry]

[finite atlas]

you only commit sins with hardware

not software

[clear ferry]

I'll double click that mouse

Careful with the joystick

[cold marlin]

busted screen winner for $50: https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-i3-1005G1-8GB-Platinum-81WE011UUS/dp/B08HYDLVZY

from fb, not amazon

[finite atlas]

sweet

keep in mind its 8gb ram fixed, you cant upgrade

[cold marlin]

well, for $30-50, i think i can take the risk, haha

settled on $40, can't complain about tha

[finite atlas]

yup

cheaper than a pi, multiple times its performance
just as it always has been

[cold marlin]

bigger though, and 5 times the power usage

[finite atlas]

more like twice the power usage

and is size really an issue, do you live in a 2qm room?

[shadow prawn]

The power usage depends on the usage, min twice as much in idle, min ten times as much at full power

My elitedesk mini draws 7-8W at idle and 65W at full power

[umbral cliff]

This plan?

[tidal bronze]

Was lost somewhere in MT so no peanuts. 😆

[scenic radish]

Biked to one of my favorite restaurants by me as I tend to do. I got to an intersection where cross traffic has a stop sign, but I don't. Car stops at the stop sign then starts moving again as I'm approaching the intersection. I'm always careful at any intersection for that reason and others, so I already slowed down when I was getting closer. Sure enough, the driver was texting and driving. Ffs people

Completely unaware of my presence. She's lucky I wasn't a car that quite possibly would have t-boned her

[glacial knot]

eat more and tbone cars on your bike

[low harness]

TIL embiggen actually is a perfectly cromulent word. The first recorded use is from 1884. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/embiggen#English

[cold marlin]

wouldn't have guessed that at all

[cold marlin]

no, i can find a hole to stuff it into in my basement somewhere. pi is nice because i can hide it in the middle of my house without too much trouble

[clear ferry]

Yes

[static schooner]

next you're going to tell me that it was coined by Jebediah Springfield

[cold marlin]

anyone want to tell me it's a bad idea to use usb 3.0 for hdd on a laptop server?

looking at one with a busted screen, and that's the best connection it has

[finite atlas]

its not ideal, for sure, but better than usb 2.0 and cheaper then a desktop pc with an pcie card for more drives

[cold marlin]

is it worth considering using my old gaming pc to run a server? is the power draw stupid high if i take out the graphics card?

[finite atlas]

depends on the hardware, but its often in the 20-50w at idle range

[low harness]

That's what I use too. Would have liked some more modern access options, but it works.

[finite atlas]

compared to 10w of a laptop

[cold marlin]

right, this has a 2500k in it, and is old, so i'm sure it's not real efficient

[finite atlas]

sounds like 40w idle

[cold marlin]

got a 770 in there now, hah

[finite atlas]

30w if you tweak it hard

[cold marlin]

hmm

wouldn't have to buy an enclosure, then

[finite atlas]

i'd go for the laptop

[cold marlin]

yeah, 40w is pretty high for constant use

[finite atlas]

or how many drives would you want to use and for what usecase?

[cold marlin]

unsure, i really don't need a crazy amount. ditching google photos and replacing my pi (HA, adguard, qbittorrent)

[finite atlas]

pff easy

laptop

[cold marlin]

i have a 1.5 and 2 tb external sitting around, but my only concern is backup

[finite atlas]

no backup no mercy

[cold marlin]

i have backblaze for HA right now, i don't think it'd cost much to back up photos that i never touch

lol

[finite atlas]

i live on the edge

i dont back up anything

if its lost, so it shall be

[cold marlin]

cant do it

[finite atlas]

why

[cold marlin]

cause i wanna keep these pics

[finite atlas]

well then some kind of remote storage would be beneficial

[finite atlas]

like dis ^

[cold marlin]

tinkerer does not approve

lol

[finite atlas]

lol

[scenic radish]

lol

[shadow prawn]

lol

[cold marlin]

you did convince me to get that laptop, at least, haha. i appreciate it

so is asking what os to use like asking about the best oil for my motorcycle?

[clever mortar]

Debian

[cold marlin]

dandy

[clear ferry]

You mean more modern than rclone mounted and then shared to any device that needs it?

[forest edge]

Montana huh.. did you survive a blizzard?

[tidal bronze]

Just clouds 😀

[low harness]

An actual rsync or scp host would be neat. Or some block based storage. It's very much focused on backing up your iphone photos through their app.

I use restic for backup to it through rclone, and it's slooow. Also whenever I prune my snapshots I get an email about someone removing 20k files.

[clear ferry]

No issues here using rclone + crypt, and then using rsync scripts to push data to it nightly, it is my second cloud backup, no difference in performance from Google drive tbh

[finite atlas]

justin bieber linux

[shadow prawn]

Firestarter

[clear ferry]

Oh Dog

commit harikiri

[clear ferry]

Got my 21" summer tires put on today @last cedar

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-big-new-girl-gif-7813099

[finite atlas]

gonna do some burnouts?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/quattro-gif-19710583

[forest edge]

swapping tires for winter/summer 🤢

[clear ferry]

You should see our studded tires

I sometimes miss those

[forest edge]

pretty sure they are the same as ours

with the metal rods pocking out

poking

[clear ferry]

Probably

[forest edge]

some people here still swap out for the seasons.. i found it easier just to learn how to manage with all terrain

[forest edge]

yea

[clear ferry]

When you have 9 months of snow and ice, those are kinda mandatory

[forest edge]

meh.. drive slower

[clear ferry]

In the south I drive studless

[forest edge]

get a better class of vehicle.. not these toys you all drive lol

[clear ferry]

I prefer something that doesn't have suspension systems from the ford t1

[forest edge]

my truck rides pretty smooth tyvm

there are Cadillac and Lincoln suv's that have air rides and all lol

full size suv's i mean

not a Subaru sized suv lol

[finite atlas]

whats the mileage you are getting with your truck?

1 gallon per square burger eagle?

[clear ferry]

Lol

[last cedar]

Got to have the studs where it is cold and the ice that is now water drips down around the tire, and freezes whilst you wait at a red light

Although where me and atx live it is rare you actually get the ice that can be bitten into, covering everything

Studded tires are shit in roundabouts

Lateral grip is shit. Hard to full send

[clear ferry]

I have terrible milage on my XC90

[forest edge]

untill recent mileage didn't matter cause gas was always so generally cheap

but if mileage did matter could always go with a diesel version

[last cedar]

A die seal version?

That isn't very nice

Ao you hate raccoons and seals

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-bart-bart-simpson-die-bart-the-simpsons-gif-17931241

[last cedar]

What else do you hate

[finite atlas]

Snonoma is really out here hating on every living species

[last cedar]

Bloody hell, an anti-lifer

[forest edge]

it's not hate.. it's just common sense. you guys try and drive matchbox cars in snow and ice

[last cedar]

You should really try some snow tyres in the snow

[forest edge]

it's almost as if your end goal is to be able to lift your vehicle when you get stuck rather than making it less likely to get stuck in the first place

[clear ferry]

I have better milage when I remember to charge

[last cedar]

Summer tires in the snow are shit

[finite atlas]

dont you dare insult me and my CityEL

[forest edge]

all terrian is the best of both worlds imo

[finite atlas]

and causes high wear on the tire

[forest edge]

they still last

hell don't manufactures put expire dates on tires these days?

[clear ferry]

That is pretty good milage for a 2.5t /4.9m /410bhp car tbh

[finite atlas]

a heavy man, needs a heavy car

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/k-keptax-fettsack-keptax-fat-peter-griffin-peter-griffin-gif-20203363

[forest edge]

oh is that whats going on? you guys get fatter so they make your cars lighter?

hmm maybe that is why our cars in the 70's wighed tons when we were skinnier

[clear ferry]

Our overall obesity is increasing, but it is still far off from us numbers thankfully

[forest edge]

and cars are becoming lighter now that we gained weight

[finite atlas]

coincidence? i dont think so

[forest edge]

when i was younger front wheel drive was all the rage because it handled snow driving better but now that the suv era is here I don't even see any cars much less front wheel drive ones.. it's all suv's with awd or 4wd

[finite atlas]

whats the difference between awd and 4wd?

[forest edge]

I haven't had to use 4wd on my truck in over 15+ years

awd is always (aside from the new tech where the car auto engages disengaes etc.) and 4wd is generaly manual

my truck has an auto option where if it detects slip it switch to 4wd high

another diffrent.. 4wd gives you both high and low gear options.. awd does not

[finite atlas]

aight