the-water-cooler

[umbral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[restive vapor]

I can't even upload pics also

[umbral cliff]

People have lived

*lives

Also yes to prevent people posting code as an image . You can upload to imgur if you want

Post your issues in general and someone will help when they have time

[fallow glen]

Best to ask in the support channels and then wait for someone who has the knowledge and time.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-see-silence-of-the-lambs-anthony-hopkins-gif-11389674

[umbral cliff]

Good movie

[restive vapor]

#devs_core-archived

[umbral cliff]

Okay? Unsure what relevance that has

[finite atlas]

Darren wanting priority support

[umbral cliff]

Too bad the SLA is 365 days

[fallow glen]

Who lessened it? Why was I not informed! 🙂

[umbral cliff]

I aim for 99% downtime

[fallow glen]

Me too!

https://tenor.com/view/ashens-nod-stuart-ashen-yes-me-gif-14475229

[late gate]

@clear ferry Cake or I will call your ISP and limit your internet to 36kbs

[clear ferry]

No, don't force me to normal American internet speeds, and 200kb maximum transferred per month

[late gate]

oh yes

[clear ferry]

At least it would be considered Australian broadband

[umbral cliff]

Hey we’re faster, and don’t have data caps either

[clear ferry]

yet

[umbral cliff]

We used to have them years ago, doubt anyone would accept it anymore (plus so many ISPs even if some do it others wouldn’t)

[clear ferry]

What? No monopoly on internet per area with price fixing ? How dare you call yourself little America

[umbral cliff]

One thing the NBN did well, pushed infrastructure to be public so all the private companies can use it and do whatever they want

[clear stag]

i got a picture of the lutron radio

Dunno what's happening on the far right

[cedar chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-mulder-xfiles-dana-scully-amazed-looking-up-gif-13935527

[clear ferry]

It was a little heil on the far right

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Raccoondailyfun/comments/uffkuh/a_failed_parkour/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[static schooner]

Ninja Warrior, Raccoon Edition

[orchid rose]

how massive is that thing or are those miniatures

Looks like it's as "big boned" as I've gotten during Covid

[forest edge]

domestic racoons get super fat

[late gate]

I got cake!

[static schooner]

I think that raccoon did too

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-fat-im-big-boned-eric-cartman-south-park-s15e4-gif-23121562

[cedar chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/jamming-cartman-south-park-dancing-vibing-gif-19564435

[clear ferry]

https://pastebin.com/4CrjXFdR

8x2TB SSDs vs 8x300GB SAS 10k drives

Rust seems to win in all but latency

Currently configured in 4 striped mirrors

[forest edge]

nerd

[dull chasm]

@umbral cliff can I get some support

@forest edge yep your a nerd

[orchid rose]

You're*

[clear ferry]

jawr

y'all

https://pastebin.com/P1VUNzCp

Why hath thou forsook me SSDs

[scenic radish]

|| SSDeez nuts ||

[shadow prawn]

Eez

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/decapitated-snowman-daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-gif-10167272

off with his head!

[clear ferry]

Don't blame the muricans @orchid rose they thought the "u" in colour was hard

[static schooner]

Ain't nobody got time for extra letters

[forest edge]

no joke.. why jump through the hoop when you can just walk beside it

[clear ferry]

Love that you also renamed something to canola oil because it was offensive

[static schooner]

Also fewer letters

[forest edge]

i mean rapeseed dosen't exactly sound appealing lol

I don't think we are the one's who renamed it anyways.. i believe that was canada

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/blame-canada-blame-canada-gif-8404857

[static schooner]

<Canada>Sorry!</Canada>

[willow sundial]

trying to think on how to use this as an integration.. https://www.policedatainitiative.org/
Connect to contacts and let you know when someone with a friends name get arrested?
Show map of incidences near you?
911 call in your area triggers the bat signal?

[finite atlas]

have fun integrating it

[willow sundial]

It uses a Rest API. I probably wont get around to it. But it's an interesting thought is all.

[late gate]

Thinking to clean the smaller ish server rack tomorrow. Im thinking ups on bottom, but not sure if power strip should be bottom or too. What have you done?

[finite atlas]

ups bottom, because it likes to be dominated
power strip, where everything still reaches it, but i'd prefer the top due to plugging cables in more easily and not having to crawl down

[finite atlas]

this better be an entire book Aleks lol
you've been writing for like 15 minutes

[static schooner]

~share 🙂

[velvet horizon]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://www.codepile.net/ (select YAML as the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

Command '~share' was invoked by: RobC

[late gate]

If I can fit then from top 2x 220v fans (I have then and easy to speed conntrol, tgen unifi 24 port POT,, then a patch panel and a UDM Pro below soZ under i need a shelved for synology ds1520 and a expansion for it (stikk new in a bix. Now docker get 4gb quality ssd for thrmself, video 20TB….. ca. 49tb general raid sha1. The hope is i can fir a retractable laptop shelf under (laptop for cameras, ai etc) and a. Decent shelf for home assistant

Any thoughts?

[finite atlas]

no clue, try your best
in the end, it dosnt really matter (the order)

[umbral cliff]

Mods get an SLA of 730 days. So I’ll get back to you in 2024 😛

[forest edge]

so basically the normal waiting period for any aussie needing any type of support

[umbral cliff]

I’ve never had to wait for support

[last cedar]

Ups should be at the bottom, less chance of you dying than if it jumps from the top shelf onto your face

[last cedar]

Heckin chonker

[forest edge]

I should get more reliable cameras for my backyard so I can post snippets of the raccons who trek through here at night to taunt michelle lol

[last cedar]

Please do!

I would say get some dahua full color ones (colour images in low light)

But you would be fine with black and white cameras for the subject matter 🤣

[shadow prawn]

Oh no, the thermostat of my refrigerator is defect, now i have to use a smart plug for that

Until the spare part arrives

Not sure what i should think of that

How can be a wlan frequency spectrum be so crowded

[clever mortar]

I've seen worse

[finite atlas]

smort home appliances

[umbral cliff]

If you're in a dense area its not abnormal

[carmine geyser]

Bought these Tuya TRV's ... AVOID!

they work over zigbee... and link just fine to HA.. they just don't seem to control radiators properly.. No matter what the settings are, the radiators are always on

just a friendly note..

[carmine geyser]

its not crowded... there are only 3 non-overlapping channels,

[clear ferry]

Ew tuya

Mostly

[umbral cliff]

Some Tuya zigbee are quite decent

[clear ferry]

Yes, roughly 0.2%

[umbral cliff]

I’ve had about a 90% success rate

[last cedar]

90% of 0,2% would be like 0,18% right?

[clear ferry]

So far I've only seen one good Tuya product

And that is the one me and @shadow prawn ordered

[umbral cliff]

I've got nice tuya based zigbee downlights, good tuya zigbee based door sensors, and a good tuya zigbee rgb strip controller

Only one of the door sensors had a fault, it drained battery very fast

[clear ferry]

Door sensors, what kind of battery life are you getting?

The old ones were horrible

[umbral cliff]

So far nothing has been replaced out of all of my zigbee stuff

So 3+ months

[clear ferry]

Does the lights behave in groups?

[umbral cliff]

Oh plus a tuya zigbee blind motor

[clear ferry]

None of the ZigBee stuff i have responds to group commands

[umbral cliff]

They're in a group and respond as the group

[clear ferry]

You have better luck than me then

[umbral cliff]

Only went with these downlights because they're the only australian approved zigbee RGB+CCT downlight that I could find

So far been very happy with them

Nice colour and good white colours

[clear ferry]

What is the socket?

[umbral cliff]

They're downlights connected to a normal mains outlet in the roof

The classic new australian downlights

[clear ferry]

Wait what

Gonna need some imagery here

Ballast based?

[umbral cliff]

Yes. Other end of the ballast is the 240v plug

[clear ferry]

Ah, such nonsense

[umbral cliff]

They work well

[shadow prawn]

Its seems to be enough to interfere with my raspberries, so that i have interuptions in my music stream of my snapcast server, also some problems with my zigbee network, have to examine what‘s the reason

[finite atlas]

just use more power to broadcast your wifi signals than any other

[clear ferry]

That sounds like what most unifi users do

[shadow prawn]

I consider to add some extra wifi antennas to my raspberry zeros

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jinny-jinnytty-porcupine-animal-gif-20555488

[shadow prawn]

Really sad that they do not have 5ghz

But i love how people on the internet keep askin‘ why their raspberry pi zero (2w) cant find their 5ghz network 😂

[finite atlas]

i'd prefer to use ethernet anyway

[glacial knot]

just use USB

[shadow prawn]

You mean, adding an 5ghz dongle? Thought about that.

[shadow prawn]

It does not have that, and i do not have cable in my kitchen and bathroom

[finite atlas]

sucks to be your kitchen and bathroom then

[forest edge]

@clear ferry you finally gone and done it.. made it on youtube. https://youtu.be/AVYWhB0oGWM

[shadow prawn]

that's Bonn not Paris

[orchid rose]

Or as Americans call it, EU

[shadow prawn]

no, the ottticker shoots on headnodding beats

[prisma barn]

i installed mineassistant i need mental help

[finite atlas]

I suggest you, to seek a professional for help and not bug random people on the internet with it

[prisma barn]

yes

[shadow prawn]

Get a snickers

[clear ferry]

With a vein in it

[restive vapor]

I use it

It's pretty easy to setup

If your read docs

[clear ferry]

MontyTurboPascal or bust

[finite atlas]

MontyPunchcards or bust

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sircalmdown-calmdown-calm-down-chill-gif-12621259

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-shouts-yells-gif-7246190

[grand onyx]

can someone help me install mopidy

[shadow prawn]

There are howtos

[restive vapor]

So I have this
How to intergrate it into hass

[clear ferry]

People seem to think this is a support channel

[restive vapor]

Well I think I should ask in #integrations-archived but I think it's not suitable

[forest edge]

don't blame them with the amount of raid type discussion and help that goes on in here...

sad to see no more support for 32 bit haos

[clear ferry]

32bit? What is this? 2004?

[restive vapor]

Not I don't want to ask
But other questions keep getting ingored

[low harness]

Maybe they want to run it on their first gen pi0?

[glacial knot]

32bit is fine for MCUs

[grand onyx]

i get errors

[umbral cliff]

And without whatever those errors are no one can help you

[umbral cliff]

It’s a lot more on topic than the channel that specifically says no support

[restive vapor]

But no one anwser our questions

[young sigil]

That is no excuse. Be patient and spend the time reading the docs trying to discover the answer for yourself. Last warning. Do it again and I will suspend your access for a week.

[restive vapor]

The prob is docs method need addons

Which is not possible on core

[young sigil]

What did I just say? NO SUPPORT HERE.

[umbral cliff]

Complain in another channel, this one is for shitposting and talking about raccoons

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-tantrum-sassy-gif-14609366

Thankfully we have no add-ons in core

[restive vapor]

Hiii

[umbral cliff]

Yes?

[forest edge]

most your shit predates that so you got no room to talk

besides with everything cutting off 32 support not just haos it turns alot of older pc's that could still be used for some things into paperweights

and that's sad

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I've got an old 32 bit netbook that's fine for light use, but is pretty much unable to run anything modern...

[forest edge]

there are a few distro's still with 32 bit versions but they treat those like the bastard red headed step child

but shit like docker etc.. forget about it

[clever mortar]

I really wanted to turn it into a Chromebook with Chrome OS Flex or similar, but ... 64 bit required

[clear ferry]

Should just bring back 18bit to satisfy you old feckers

[low harness]

To think that ocal numbers were actually relevant once...

[clear ferry]

We had 16 bit too

And 19

Maybe we even had 17

Come think of it

[umbral cliff]

Let’s go back to 2 bit

[clear ferry]

No, we can't stoop to Sonomas adolescence

[forest edge]

8 bit 4lyfe

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/fellowkids-steve-buscemi-kids-how-are-you-gif-5510636

[hushed basalt]

Java is the worst

https://c.tenor.com/fMUOPRVdSzUAAAAM/python.gif

[normal ferry]

I have a relatively small rack , it's only 600mm in terms of depth. That means that whatever you mount to it has to be around 550-570mm deep (assuming cables behind it also take up some space). The rack's back is not removable. Does anyone know , have , or can suggest IF there are any 1U servers with that depth?

In my local retailers shop I can't find any - mainly due to the fact that they miss that filter in their website options -_-

[finite atlas]

https://geizhals.de/?cat=geh19&xf=895_1~903_60

[normal ferry]

❤️

[finite atlas]

ew

[normal ferry]

I'd never find that

considering it's in German (thanks Chrome and auto-translate)

[finite atlas]

xD

[normal ferry]

but yeah it's a start

[finite atlas]

good luck

[normal ferry]

Thank you

[clear ferry]

Ew short servers

[shadow prawn]

It‘se me erroriño

[glacial knot]

does anyone smell burned plastic?

[grand onyx]

hi

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Ugh, Windows! I really don't want a notification every time you don't let an application access my location.

[clever mortar]

It's like the "firewall" products that'd tell you about everything the block, just to convince you they're working

[low harness]

ANTIVIRUS PROTECTION DATABASE HAS BEEN UPDATED!!!

Always lovely having that suddenly screamed at you when you watch a vintage let's-play.

[finite atlas]

they gotta keep you motivated to throw money at them

[clear ferry]

Just don't let applications access location, problem solved

[low harness]

That's what I do. But I didn't want to not let them access location loudly.

[static schooner]

if Cujo was a cat....

[clear ferry]

Wow

My eyes

Jeebus fookin bananas

Mods please delete my GIFs before I give five children seizures

That's all from me today, byeeeee

[late gate]

Selfie time?

[shadow prawn]

But first, let me take a selfie

[clear ferry]

Bearer, seek, seek, lest

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry done lol

[clear ferry]

Thanks @møds

🙏

[dull chasm]

😄

[static schooner]

much better now

[dull chasm]

You got the other one

[finite atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/603850767404630036/961724404285472818/horse.gif

[static schooner]

How many espressos did I really drink today?

[orchid rose]

That letter needs to die. Ö is just superior

[shadow prawn]

Ø

[finite atlas]

ø

[shadow prawn]

I like mø

[orchid rose]

Fine if it was actually different, but at this point it's just a hipster thing smh

[finite atlas]

i like træsh

[shadow prawn]

I do not like fler

[orchid rose]

the ae thing is at least æsthetically pleasing

[finite atlas]

yøu are right

[orchid rose]

but this "not an O" smh

[shadow prawn]

Dont let this be our final song

Time to shower

And listening to sigrid

[finite atlas]

send me pictures!

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-horny-lick-cat-pussy-gif-19401937

[finite atlas]

now i need some WampenOC

[shadow prawn]

I just wanna spend the night with you

[finite atlas]

me tøø

[shadow prawn]

Do it like your mother says not to do

[clear ferry]

Sjikagå

[finite atlas]

gesundheit atx

[shadow prawn]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5q5gzmbBS5yQzos2BvVr1t

[orchid rose]

I mean, how far are you going with branding to inconvenience the customers

[forest edge]

rain rain go away.. europe needs you right away

[clear ferry]

I want to manage my outlook calendar with cli

But I can't seem to find any good resources on it

Wonder if it is possible

[umbral cliff]

Surprised there’s no IMAP CLI

[forest edge]

cli? what is this the 1970's

[clever mortar]

Sure there is, telnet

Doesn't everybody grok the IMAP, POP, and SMTP protocols?

[clear ferry]

Yes

Maybe I can use the graph API

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/KMy1zO8m8sM

[umbral cliff]

Atx is allergic to GUIs

[forest edge]

ugh as happy as i am that flux aka magichome got a whole lot of love this year.. having to go back and redo all of my light stuff is a major pain in the arse

[forest edge]

well pretty sure all of his monitors are those old green crt's so gui's don't really look all that good on those

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aioANFQ1uyE/maxresdefault.jpg

[clear ferry]

I wish, I miss my HP terminal

[forest edge]

yea nothing to miss those old monitors were horrible

I still remember the day I brought home a 19" that weighed a ton and the day I got rid of it.. lifting and carrying the thing is something you just cannot forget

Like Find Waldo but the Michelle version

[umbral cliff]

Nowadays the TVs are just very large and awkward to carry

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/trashpanda-lionfield-raccoon-gif-20737631

[forest edge]

they may be wider but they are like the fraction of the weight

[umbral cliff]

Oh yeah, just that awkwardness makes it just as hard but in a different way

[forest edge]

I heard what I thought was a dog whimpering out back so I went and looked and saw the one racoon in the tree.. wasn't till I looked at frigate that I saw two others running off.. wonder if I was hearing a racoon street brawl lol

[forest edge]

I do not agree with that at all.. old 32-36" CRT TV's were not only back breaking (if not impossible for one person) but the overall dimensions made maneuvering through doorways a major pain in the ass with serious risk to hand pinching

I had given away a mint condition old 36" sony brava or whatever.. it was a HDTV in 4:3 format and that thing was too heavy for me to pick up alone.. well more than just lift straight up for a few seconds lol

[umbral cliff]

Maybe the CRTs my parents had were small then. Because it was barely doable by 1 person

Yeah we never had HDTV in crt so probably older and smaller

[forest edge]

well even before then alot of older TV's were those console floor sitting ones that weight just as much, but the screens were smaller

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kXis7ZOQL3o/maxresdefault.jpg

I had one of those too that took two people to carry

current tv's are easy.. light and altho when you get up to like the 85" the tall aspect may make carrying through doorways a little harder they are still a breeze in comparison

lol don't forget these https://preview.redd.it/lvn1mqgerdi61.jpg?auto=webp&s=9ff4bf715102543796a4a1893091c2f858d35a01

had an uncle that one of those.. don't even want to think what that sucker weighed lol

[last cedar]

If I saw me in a tree I would also run, to be fair

[umbral cliff]

Never seen these tbh, parents have never owned one either

[finite atlas]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/05/03/7cc6aadcc230dbb5.jpg

[hushed basalt]

That's a nice raccoon gif

Shame if someone stole it

*jpg

[worldly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/steal-this-is-mine-run-gif-15431338

[shadow prawn]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/05/03/181ad5487bbe5e46.gif

[static schooner]

The panels are so thin these days that I'm far more worried about squeezing or flexing it in the wrong place. I had no problem with the weight of my 65", but it was a bear to pick up just by cradling from the bottom.

[finite atlas]

Me in BeamNG.drive

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5UQiOGk3n63zuv4LgNRFX7?si=ceS9HrqgSE-vLLxbRNhJkw&utm_source=copy-link

[late gate]

https://pin.it/qKeOZKb

I actually experienced this on the british embassy. I was laughting my ass off cause nobody took the reference

[shadow prawn]

Yeah, 65“, 30kg, only 20mm thick, bad to handle as hell

[static schooner]

Mine seems impossibly thin, like I can't imagine how it could be thinner

[shadow prawn]

But not on the entire surface?

[static schooner]

everything but the base, which is the first 5" or so

[shadow prawn]

Yes

The lg g1 is 20mm on the whole height

[static schooner]

that usually means that there's some box somewhere else

[shadow prawn]

No not with the lg g1, its awesome

[static schooner]

sounds like the Tardis

[shadow prawn]

It has a special designed wall mount to allign it completely to the wall

[static schooner]

I guess it's possible, but it's hard to imagine this getting thinner without turning into a flexible screen or being unusably flimsy

it's hard to even get a good on-axis shot without the reflective surface making it look thicker than it really is

[last cedar]

Definately not up to no good, I guarantee it

[finite atlas]

xD

[shadow prawn]

Atx, when there‘s free meat

[clear ferry]

Free raw meat

[green inlet]

Definitely an FSU meme.

Shame there isn’t an FSU logo on there somewhere.

[static schooner]

Cat: hacks up furball on the floor
Same cat: comes back to same furball later, seemingly wondering where it came from

Cats are weird

[forest edge]

better than when another cat or a dog comes along and gobbles it up

just to potentially rethrow it back up later

[finite atlas]

which heavy metals band logo did he puke?

[clear ferry]

Isn't that mayhem?

[forest edge]

Pretty sure BARF is for all norwegian heavy metal bands

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/7OPg-ksxZ4Y

[last dirge]

FSU was originally offered the formulation but passed because they wanted to name it Seminole Fluid

[forest edge]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/48/48056959db8dbaa8c2e07f3b6309ad00ead8a638f9865dfd2e60de257f405c3c.jpg

[shadow prawn]

Oh boy, the good old times on this discord …

[green inlet]

Gator fans 🤣
#the-water-cooler message

[muted bay]

well. i'm all ready for tonights release party

i did my chores, i showerd, had dinner and dishes are in bob (daan.tech)

lets go

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/uoquxmu53fx81.gif

[forest edge]

I just got on to them talking about the yellow.. case needs a built in wall mount hole

[clear ferry]

Eww

[hearty depot]

😄 pr0?

[forest edge]

still think this discord needs a dedicated video/content channel for just HA oriented content. Ton's of decent tutorial and just general help type content out there that get's overlooked

[young sigil]

Trouble is they go out of date very quickly. The Docs should be your first point of reference. They are kept up to date.

[forest edge]

it's not meant to be a replacement plus as new posts continue to be made older posts disappear into the void

but people learn so much better through watching and listening rather than reading that even out of date stuff can be enough to push that extra umph for someone to understand something

[prisma briar]

Heh, my dog realized he can turn the kitchen lights on by walking in there since I put a motion sensor in. He spent like 20 minutes walking in and out and making the lights turn on/off.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-gif-18501881

[shadow prawn]

Maybe 🤫

[restive vapor]

That's power wastage when he keeps doing that

Do something to prevent it

[prisma briar]

Meh, I'm fine with him being able to turn on a light if he wants. It turns off after 90s of no motion anyways.

[restive vapor]

Well the price of electricity then

[prisma briar]

I bet it costs <$10/year

[restive vapor]

Great

Let your dog have fun

[prisma briar]

k.

[forest edge]

oh don't bring up cost of electricity in here you'll awaken the Troll

[clear ferry]

Lulz

We are almost at American levels now

We used to be $0.003 per kWh, bow we are $0.03

[restive vapor]

What happens if discord add federation

[forest edge]

is electricity country controlled or business?

[clear ferry]

Power is delivered by local power conpanies, lines are funded by state

And currently we get subsidized by state

For the high prices

[forest edge]

Holy crap i do not like the new menu changes in the latest haos

[restive vapor]

Can you show me

[forest edge]

well to be more specific.. i do not like the new branch off for system and the location for the restart should not be where it is lol

[restive vapor]

The interface should be different on core right?

[forest edge]

think it's the same on all

@light trout is HACS gonna get a fancy notification attached to the icon in the side bar for updates?

ohh i like the new look of the automations section in the UI etc

[restive vapor]

My update sensor is steady on
No updates

And the interface is super different

[static schooner]

HACS updates are lumped in with the rest

[forest edge]

? you mean the config icon will show x number of updates for HAC updates?

[static schooner]

I believe so

[forest edge]

that will be.. confusing lol

UNLESS

[static schooner]

They're all updates

[forest edge]

the hac updates show in config now?

ah

[static schooner]

Yes

[forest edge]

now that would be nice

prob the first release in a long time where it has both hard likes and hard dislikes for me lol

[restive vapor]

Is any updates released for core
Also what's the latest version of core

[forest edge]

oh it's called settings now.. it was called configuration lol

mine shows the number on the bottom right of the icon, not off to the side.. looks better than yours 😝

[restive vapor]

Plus no updates in notification

Also

[umbral cliff]

Yeah restart should be in settings. Not dev tools

[forest edge]

it's in both places

[umbral cliff]

You are running a very very old version

[umbral cliff]

Weird

[forest edge]

at the top right of the system window and in the yaml window in dev tools

[umbral cliff]

@restive vapor are you running core instead of container/ OS?

[restive vapor]

Core

[clever mortar]

#general-archived is calling as this is turning into more support than chat 😉

[umbral cliff]

Can we rename off topic to shitposting. Less support then 🤣

[clear ferry]

I want a better cli, not more confusing guis

[umbral cliff]

Yaml exists

[restive vapor]

Btw what's the reason

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean?

[clear ferry]

Yaml isn't a cli

[restive vapor]

Why core have a such old version

[umbral cliff]

Check #installation-archived

[forest edge]

come into the new world ya hippie

[clear ferry]

No thank you, I've seen what you do over there

https://tenor.com/view/praise-be-gif-22741358

[umbral cliff]

Atx likes his green on black screen

[prisma briar]

Anyone programmed their doors to have a cheerful and sunny disposition?

[forest edge]

I think he took the Matrix a little too seriously

[clear ferry]

You mean the documentary

[prisma briar]

I could put speakers around my house and make them laugh and cheer whenever a door is opened. I wonder how many people would get it versus how many people would think I'm insane.

[clever mortar]

Needs to be done to sound clips to the doors and lifts from The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbish-dismissive-marvin-the-paranoid-android-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-gif-11204052

[prisma briar]

I could rename my assistant to Eddie

[forest edge]

I give you two days before you disable it from it driving you and everyone else in that home insane

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-loaf-nelly-the-rocky-horror-picture-show-hot-patootie-gif-24588666

[forest edge]

meat loaf lol

[prisma briar]

lol

[forest edge]

ugh wanting to simply restart HA and having to go through this new process is making me want to insult norwegians

[prisma briar]

nooo they provide our weather services

[clear ferry]

Imagine just having a cli syntax

[prisma briar]

Get good at curl and you can have it

[clear ferry]

Poor mans cli

[prisma briar]

I wonder if HA would work at all in lynx

[forest edge]

no thanks, haven't wanted to play Zork in quite some time

[clear ferry]

Mmmm lynx

Too bad most default to links these days

[prisma briar]

A cli interface would be nice for scripting

But curl works too

[clear ferry]

ha automation reload

ha integration add sonos --host speaker.not.fookin.mdns.local

[glacial knot]

curl works well as cli interface

Or mqtt

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/home-assistant/cli

What could go wrong trying to make that work on non-Supervised

[clear ferry]

Supervisor

🤢

[clever mortar]

I actually have https://github.com/home-assistant-ecosystem/home-assistant-cli installed, though I've hardly bothered with it

[umbral cliff]

mdns works great most of the time

The issues are when it doesn't work

[clear ferry]

Yes

[restive vapor]

Is portx good?

[clever mortar]

Define good?

[restive vapor]

like does the interface looks good and all the function are usable

[clever mortar]

Looks are personal

Personally on a command line I just use ssh

If I want a UI then it's either X-Shell or Termius

[restive vapor]

it does looks good to me

i can't send images

[clear ferry]

Since SSH exists in any modern os

Why on earth should one use third party clients anymore

Heck, there is even native scp/sftp in windows now

[restive vapor]

gui

[forest edge]

Tinkerer can I get the role to be able to post images in other channels.. I got a feeling I may need to be doing that in the near future

if not it's cool

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-america-randy-marsh-south-park-s20e1-member-berries-gif-20603612

[proven spruce]

oh you want to join the Greys

[clever mortar]

If you actually need it then that can be discussed at the time

[clear ferry]

He is a gray already, he wants to be a pube

[forest edge]

i am not a grey i am a white lol

[restive vapor]

Minecraft server console in ssh

[clear ferry]

Disgusting,on multiple levels

[restive vapor]

why

[forest edge]

downside to that logic is the whole putting the moment on pause just to get clearance which seems silly. thus why I asked now cause a hard no or yes wouldn't pause the moment later

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[restive vapor]

sftp

[forest edge]

well that was uncalled for

[clever mortar]

You seem to think I'm required to listen to you

[forest edge]

never said that. just don't get why you have an issue to begin with

[restive vapor]

does caching doh request speed up doh

[glacial knot]

do you have a TLS breaking proxy on which you want to do that?

[restive vapor]

well a reverse proxy

[glacial knot]

But it shouldn't if headers are set correctly. As the DNS resolver does its own caching. Unless you run something really dumb

[restive vapor]

yeah so no need ?

[glacial knot]

I'd be surprised if you see any benefit with caching that doesn't inhibit DNS propagation

[restive vapor]

what should i use for redis then
does homeassistant support it

[umbral cliff]

Only thing it misses is ssh-copy-id which is a weird missing but not terrible

[clear ferry]

Can be scripted if needed

[umbral cliff]

Oh yeah. I’m just lazy

[clear ferry]

I think I have used copy id probably five times in my life

There are usually better ways to distribute keys

[clever mortar]

SSH CA's FTW

[clear ferry]

That's one way

[clear ferry]

When your car is bigger than average Norwegian parking spots

My old A8L was a nightmare to park

[forest edge]

not exactly hard to be bigger than parking spaces designed for these

https://tenor.com/view/turn-around-crank-it-change-course-direction-little-car-gif-13817599

[finite atlas]

:>

[finite atlas]

cries in germany 0.3€ per kWh

[umbral cliff]

They look fun to drive

[umbral cliff]

What are they?

[finite atlas]

reminds me of that tiny car from satisfactory

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PVXojt_33xs

[forest edge]

They look like a gateway to claustrophobia

[umbral cliff]

They would be great to slip between cars

[forest edge]

you mean flatten between cars lmao

[clever mortar]

https://smallstep.com/blog/use-ssh-certificates/
https://engineering.fb.com/2016/09/12/security/scalable-and-secure-access-with-ssh/

Basically you can sign the user keys, and tell the hosts to trust any key signed by your CA

(there's a lot more to it than just that though)

[clear ferry]

Many ways to do it

In deployment you could just make it part of the deployment

For lab environments

Etc

[glacial knot]

they are interesting. I still need to take the time to look into ssh with openldap for home use though

[forest edge]

finally broke down and picked up a cheap 4g modem for my farm. whooping 50mb/30mb speeds.

wondering if I should have just spent more and got something I could throw ddwrt on

[clear ferry]

Y'all don't have 5g in Missouri?

[forest edge]

not in the country

heck only had 3G for the longest time but thankfully got 4G out there now

but 5G won't ever be out there, no way a company will invest putting that many transmitters in the stick to try and give people coverage

[clear ferry]

I live in farmland, we've had 4g since 2016

Got 5g in late 20

[forest edge]

yea but your "farmland" is like the size of a football field

[clear ferry]

At least three football Fields!

It's pretty rural

Hvam
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ygpxYpbEZfEpw6mHA

[forest edge]

heck 5G is only like what? 1k? 2k ft? I could maybe see them doing that for pocket suburbs in the sticks but when the next house is a half mile to a mile away there is noway lol

you need to add a distant meter indicator on that map picture

[clear ferry]

Just click the link rather

And you can peruse yourself

[forest edge]

ok so my farm is roughly the same size as Hvam, assuming that is a suburb not town right?

hard to judge but when i scale down both to 200ft they take up the same space in my browser. not perfectly accurate but still

[clear ferry]

Hvam is a county I guess

Whatever you call a place with it's own postcode

[forest edge]

now if there were that many houses on my farm I could see them putting in 5G but there is only one house surrounded by nothing but green lol

google maps should add in the ability to draw a box and show how many sqft or sqmiles etc that square is

that be cool

[clear ferry]

You can measure distance

Not sure about square milage

[forest edge]

how

[clear ferry]

Right click

Measure distance

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[forest edge]

that is awesome

so when i measure the longest point to point on Hvam it shows 3,918.91 ft (1.19 km)

and on my farm it's 3,911.56 ft (1.19 km)

so it is pretty damn close lmao

[umbral cliff]

They do in australia. Middle of fucking nowhere gets 4G & 5G

Mainly because 3G is dead, so 4G/5G takes up the 2G and 3G frequencies

[forest edge]

I believe 4G but 5G? you may wanna look into that

au has some pretty far out there spots lol

4G is like what? 10-15x the distance of 5G

[umbral cliff]

Currently mainly along highways or nearby. But still spreading out. They advance fast for no reason other than for the hell of it

[umbral cliff]

Depends on the frequencies. Which 5G can use the same frequencies as 2/3/4G

Gives the better range

[forest edge]

but at what cost in speed?

[umbral cliff]

USA is the only place currently with commercial usage of mmWave

[forest edge]

I thought the whole speed aspect was the short wave

[umbral cliff]

You can still get 200-300

Have gotten 500-800 here and that’s on normal 3/4G frequencies using 5G

We don’t have mmWave here yet

[forest edge]

200 is not that much faster than 4G, technically here it's suppose to reach upwards of 150 but I assume that's under ideal conditions or maybe just not a cheap modem like mine

[glacial knot]

What frequenciees are mmWave?

[umbral cliff]

Over 5Ghz

[umbral cliff]

Depends on how far away you are. I’ve gotten 300-400 with 4G

Same location now gets 800 or so with 5G

[glacial knot]

so only really relevant for outdoor campus net

[umbral cliff]

Or dense sports stadiums

Or cbds

[glacial knot]

cbds?

[umbral cliff]

Central business district

[clear ferry]

Canine bondage dancing shows

Was my guess

[glacial knot]

I like atx's version more

[umbral cliff]

Think you meant to type that into porn hub atx

[clear ferry]

Oh sorry

https://tenor.com/view/furry-gif-4903957

[forest edge]

you should dunk your head in toilet water for even posting that image

[clear ferry]

Oh and we have had full fiber coverage since 2016 @forest edge

[forest edge]

what you call fiber and what we call fiber are two diffrent things

your fiber is our broadband lol

[glacial knot]

Now I do wonder, do they run different MAC on higher frequencies? Otherwise that wouldn't help too much to support more devices
Unless they vastly increase the number of base stations as well. Which 💸

[umbral cliff]

Because your fibre is copper cable? And atx is actual fibre?

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

and same speeds

which is why we don't call it fiber

[umbral cliff]

We would’ve had about 80-90% if it wasn’t for a shitty liberal (conservative) government

[clear ferry]

Yeah sorry, we have symmetrical connections

Unlike the US with their 1200/2

[umbral cliff]

Think atx was saying he gets gigabit symmetrical. You’re not getting that on copper

Not at distance anyway

[forest edge]

I don't think atx gets gigabit period

[umbral cliff]

He’s shown his gigabit speeds

[late gate]

I bet if telenor could decide we would not have symmetrical even on fiber @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

We do, but I only bother paying for 350/350

[forest edge]

it wasn't gigabit was it?

ah

see

[umbral cliff]

If australia can have gigabit then Norway could definitely have it

[clear ferry]

I had 600/600 but downgraded

[late gate]

I pay for 1000/1000 - 350 is too low

[umbral cliff]

Yeah cheaper to not provide it when the majority don’t need symmetrical

[late gate]

I got a seedbox so I need it :p

[forest edge]

350/350 is doable via coper

[clear ferry]

It isn't implemented

So it doesn't matter

[forest edge]

well it is

[umbral cliff]

I only have 100/40 as that’s all we need. And we wanna save money. Would do 250 if it was like 250/100 or higher but shitty 250/40 lol

[forest edge]

while our services don't offer same upload speeds, copper is capable of doing gigabit because our connections are fiber to the pole and only copper to the home, worst case scenario here is more rural areas where it's fiber to the node and copper for a few miles after that lol

[umbral cliff]

Few miles would be crap

[forest edge]

thats rural tho

[umbral cliff]

Yeah still doesn’t mean they should be <12mbps

[clear ferry]

Nobody will invest in copper anyway

Oh wait

Murica will

[finite atlas]

so does germany

[umbral cliff]

Australia did. Now we’re spending again to upgrade the rest to fibre

[forest edge]

I would be happy if my farm had access to lined internet of any flavor with the exception of dsl

[glacial knot]

I hope that finally fucking ends. Telekom is starting to switch to fiber at least

[finite atlas]

god bless our 50/10 connection for 35€ a month

[glacial knot]

at least I got gbit/50Mbit

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

[glacial knot]

over Docsis =.=

[umbral cliff]

I pay US$80 for unlimited 100/40 lmao

[glacial knot]

yea, it sucks. I wish we didn't live in the internet 50s

[forest edge]

50mb upload with gig down? that's messed up

[glacial knot]

the fact that you have to mention the unlimited 😂

[umbral cliff]

Hey docsis is a lot better than vdsl or adsl

[forest edge]

ours isn't that skewed lol

[umbral cliff]

It’s better than some

[finite atlas]

bufferbloat is what really kills our internet tho
+150ms on full download, +300ms on full upload

[glacial knot]

yea, vodafone having shit peering does more to the connection than docsis vs. vdsl

[umbral cliff]

In australia all plans are unlimited with some ISPs offering discounts for data caps. More so for those overseas

[forest edge]

lol data caps

so glad that shit didn't fly here

[clear ferry]

Murica special

[umbral cliff]

It started in the USA

[glacial knot]

just ignore the weirdos that think datacaps are normal /shrug

[umbral cliff]

People still have them there

[forest edge]

our mobile is data throttled but not capped

[finite atlas]

yet all major phone service providers have data caps and no one complains

[umbral cliff]

So glad we got rid of them over a decade ago (for all fixed line carriers)

[forest edge]

it never actually started in the US.. they tried but it's been shot down everytime

[umbral cliff]

Here it’s data cap then throttled internet to a couple mbps

[glacial knot]

I complain. A lot. Sadly it doesn't help much

[umbral cliff]

https://www.highspeedinternet.com/resources/which-internet-service-providers-have-data-caps

Seems like there’s a lot

[finite atlas]

here its datacap then throtteled to 64 kbit/s

[glacial knot]

and they don't technically have caps, as that would be illegal. It's just that websites suck hard and break on edge speeds =.=

[umbral cliff]

Edge??

[finite atlas]

i got myself a 10gb for 6.66€ a month plan and luckily dont need more

[umbral cliff]

The fuck is that still around for

[glacial knot]

I have no idea how many GB I got. And I don't pay for it myself

[umbral cliff]

Australia has killed 2G years ago, 3G in the next 3-5 years for the 2 major carriers

[forest edge]

don't think that is accurate cause cox is owned by comcast which was the biggest pusher for caps and they were the one's always getting shot down

not sure about at&t tho

[umbral cliff]

I know someone on Comcast with a cap

[forest edge]

reask them if it actually took hold cause I have read nothing but them trying to implement it but it being shot down

[glacial knot]

it isn't. But the way our flatrates work is that it's flat rate for edge speeds. And only up to $cap with higher speeds
Mostly because regulators stepped in at some point and forced no caps when advertised as flatrate. (though this was left open)

They just never cared to update the lower band for the throttling. While it was annoying 10 years ago, it's just unusable these days on the throttled speeds

[umbral cliff]

Yes they’ve gone over it

[forest edge]

american's won't fight for national healthcare but you restrict our porn access and there will be hell to pay

[umbral cliff]

Looks like here for my telco, if I go over my data allowance it’s capped at 1.5mbps. Usable for most things day to day (better than 64kbps)

[glacial knot]

I wouldn't mind 1.5Mb/s tbh.

[umbral cliff]

But a vast downgrade from 50-450 I get on average

[glacial knot]

as long as discord doesn't fail. Since that is surprisingly bad with flaky or slow connections for being a simple IM

[umbral cliff]

The one good thing australia (in computing) has is a high quality mobile network infrastructure

[forest edge]

au is starting to sound more and more like our 1980's lol

[umbral cliff]

Except we are rolling out fibre

And it’s gov owned rather than individual companies rolling it out

So you can go with whatever provider you want

[forest edge]

we had fiber ran to node for like 50 some odd years, then fiber ran to pole (in towns/cities) for like 30 years

[umbral cliff]

What about fibre to the home. Which is what we’re rolling out properly now

(And what some properties already have. Like the one I’m in)

[forest edge]

but the thing about usa is.. it can be like that for some places but other places could still be using two cups joined with string

[umbral cliff]

Whilst here it’s going to be standardised. As it’s gov built infrastructure not private company (as in with the USA)

[forest edge]

fiber to home came out when google fiber did.. for residential anyways

google fiber changed everything here

[umbral cliff]

So… private company

[forest edge]

xfinity is fiber to home etc

fios etc etc

yea all private companies

[umbral cliff]

No wonder people in the USA love musk skynet shit. You’re already used to being controlled by a private company

[forest edge]

but with that said, there are some cities here where they built thier own infrastructure where the city owns every aspect of it

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

Americans for some reason only ever think that governments can be evil. And will accept anything and everything done by corporations /shrug

[forest edge]

maryland for example has one of those cities/towns

[clear ferry]

Imagine being told to cooperate and share lines

[umbral cliff]

Why not just let the federal government build it (or at least own it)

[glacial knot]

of coke?

[umbral cliff]

Then you won’t need to worry about this crap

Major infrastructure should be owned by the gov

[forest edge]

actually we think everyone is evil, it's one of those the devil you know vs the devil you don't situations

[forest edge]

google map the united states.. that's why

[umbral cliff]

You mean the same area as australia? (Minus Alaska)

The us has the money to do it

They can outsource the building

Make AT&T or Verizon or whoever build it

Then the gov owns it and sells it on

[forest edge]

you and these fantasies lol

[umbral cliff]

You mean what’s happening here?

[forest edge]

when your just starting into something.. concept like those is possible.. not when infrastructure has already been in place since it's invention

[umbral cliff]

Except we did it

It cost a lot

We fucked uo

It’s being fixed

[clear ferry]

You didn't have infrastructure before you did this @umbral cliff

Just admit it

[umbral cliff]

We had adsl & cable

Gov bought it all

[forest edge]

your also paying out the wazoo

[umbral cliff]

You don’t complain when govs build or upgrade roads

Why not with another major infrastructure project

[forest edge]

your country is not in as much debt as ours either

[umbral cliff]

So? Long term infrastructure is good investment

Especially when the gov can make money on it

[forest edge]

but it's not needed

it's not critical

what we have works

sure we bitch.. but then so do you lol

[umbral cliff]

Yeah we bitch until it’s good

I don’t bitch about my internet as it works great for what I need

[forest edge]

so for the rest of your life then

[umbral cliff]

Sure I could do with faster upload

But it’s guaranteed gigabit down

Through fibre to the home

[forest edge]

didn't you say you were data capped?

[umbral cliff]

No?

[forest edge]

oh i thought you said that above

[umbral cliff]

I said my isp offers discounts if I chose a 500gb data cap, I use more so I don’t take it up (but if my grandma was with my isp she would take it for example)

All ISPs here offer unlimited data

Some offer caps as an option if you want

[forest edge]

see there is that wazoo again

[umbral cliff]

What? Offering a cap to save 10-20 a month?

Useful for people on a budget

[forest edge]

all plans with the exception of mobile here are unlimited

[umbral cliff]

Or people who don’t need it

[umbral cliff]

Except the ones we talked about above lol

[forest edge]

yea but I question it's accuracy lol

[umbral cliff]

I know people with caps in the USA. It’s correct

[forest edge]

another thing you gotta be careful about when it comes to US news.. something might just trialed in a single zip code and nowhere else lol

[glacial knot]

https://broadbandnow.com/internet-providers-with-data-caps

[forest edge]

we have xfinity/at&t here and i never heard anyone mention data caps but since i don't have it nor ever had it i dunno

[forest edge]

99% of that list is mobile cariers

[umbral cliff]

So… a nationally owned system would avoid that sort of zip code based issues

[forest edge]

not really

[umbral cliff]

Why? There’s no need to restrict based on zip code if it’s the same system in the end

Unless the isp is being shitty

[glacial knot]

it's american companies

[umbral cliff]

True

[forest edge]

with the exception of desert areas our rural/in the sticks areas have pockets of people.. those people currently like myself have to deal with mobile data because there is noway anyone is going to feed miles and miles of lime to service a handful of people

those expenses just do not make sense

au isn't layed out the same

we have a whole lot of rural areas in that catagory all over

[umbral cliff]

Yeah. We’re worse. Our population density is a lot lot lower than the USA

[forest edge]

my farm should have cable ran to it, but still dosen't cause they don't view the cost of the line being worth the amount of people who would be using it and my farm is only a few miles from the city limits lol

[umbral cliff]

Outside of cities it’s nothing

[glacial knot]

I'm always amused when Americans try to claim that things wouldn't work. And it's things we've been doing for ages

[forest edge]

see here outside cities it's not nothing here

[umbral cliff]

So stop viewing infrastructure as a cost benefit. Same with public transport. Same with roads

[forest edge]

stop living ina fantasy

[umbral cliff]

So you would be fine with no road to you because it ‘doesn’t make financial sense’?

[forest edge]

you brag about making something work yet what you got is worse than what we currently have

[umbral cliff]

Yeah which is why we’re improving to be better than you

[forest edge]

there are several places here where there is no paved roads lol

[umbral cliff]

Yeah but there’s still a path

[glacial knot]

nah, they want privately owned ones where any toll paid on the road funnels into a single rich person's pockets, instead of a pool to benefit all. The true American way

[umbral cliff]

There’s still a route

[forest edge]

lol path

as I said, what we have currently works.. hell our speeds on average is faster and it costs us less.. what more do you want? lol

[umbral cliff]

All major infrastructure (roads, electricity, water, gas, internet, public transport) should be government owned, and should be looked at as investments not as money making exercises or capitalism hell

[forest edge]

competition does have it's benefits lol

now if we were talking healthcare i would agree with you

but when it comes to amenities thats a whole diffrent ball game

[umbral cliff]

So have the competition as the retailers selling to you (eg operators of public transport, ISPs, electricity companies) not the infrastructure itself

[forest edge]

whats the diffrence?

[glacial knot]

I'd say: Should have basic function guaranteed by govt.

there should be a space for a private entity to out-compete the govt. But basics should always be guaranteed

[umbral cliff]

Infrastructure is often ignored by companies as it’s not worth upgrading, such as shitty electricity grids

[glacial knot]

you mean, californian fire hazzards?

[forest edge]

currently our govment is trying to solve the gap in what companies cover

so again, there is no diffrence

[umbral cliff]

Agreed. I don’t mind capitalism investment and shit in it. But as long as everyone is guaranteed a good service & infrastructure is maintained it’s fine

[umbral cliff]

So why not just have the infrastructure instead of literally paying private companies tax money

[forest edge]

your trying to justify the cost of running line to the single man on top of Everest and guarantee quality service

we're already trillions in debt

trade us debt and we'll do what you want

[umbral cliff]

Australian too. One of our deadliest bushfires on record was caused by powerlines owned by the Singapore government (through SP Power) collapsing due to lack of maintenance. Caused the fire

[umbral cliff]

Okay in those extreme services you could have a government owned satellite internet system. Still doesn’t change the idea that you should have major infrastructure owned by the government

And internet is now on par with roads/ public transport/ electricity/ water/ gas as a needed service

[glacial knot]

fire caused by fire? o.0

oh, caused the fire. not by fire =.=

[umbral cliff]

Yeah line dropped. Sparked. Lit very very dry brush

[forest edge]

we already have satellite options lol

it sucks

[forest edge]

we even have that starlink but no clue what the restrictiosn on that is

[umbral cliff]

So it works for those who live in extreme situations

[umbral cliff]

It’s shitty private company owned (and worse being Elon owned)

[forest edge]

point is.. what we have works

lol

[umbral cliff]

Like a moped would work to drive cross country. Bloody horrible though

[forest edge]

now covid shined some light on problem areas that the goverment is trying to "fix"

so maybe with some luck things will get better

but all things considered we have access nation wide already in some form or another.. just the issue is speed

4G is shit compared to broadband.. satellite may well be called norwegian fiber

[umbral cliff]

So the fcc is wrong? https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/reports/broadband-progress-reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report

(Since too slow may as well be useless nowadays)

[umbral cliff]

4G is perfectly fine for home internet for 1-2 people. 50-400mbps down

[glacial knot]

main issue with the various wireless stuff is latency and consistency

raw throughput isn't all there is to internet

[umbral cliff]

For 4G latency is still pretty decent

On speed tests I get <50

[glacial knot]

TCP hates loss, as it always thinks buffers are full. Doesn't really have provisions for lossy connections

and I need to check, but IIRC it also really hates jitter. So can't even bundle stuff :/

[umbral cliff]

You can definitely do tcp at higher than 100 ping

I’ve had to use websites overseas a decade ago from australia

[forest edge]

i didn't read that, but pretty sure it's refering to the "broadband" access

broadband aka fiber

[umbral cliff]

Broadband is anything from dsl up

[glacial knot]

oh it works. It just tanks throughput to be way less than wire speed

[forest edge]

running fiber to the everst is a slow process with only one person living there

broadband to us is a general term for "high speed residential"

it's been the name we used for eons

and still use it today

it dosen't refer to anything specific.. just the "typical" thing we use

[umbral cliff]

According to the FCC, the definition of broadband internet is a minimum of 25 Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload speeds. Broadband provides high speed internet access via multiple types of technologies including fiber optics, wireless, cable, DSL and satellite.

Barely high speed

[forest edge]

and the typical internet provided to most Americans is fiber to pole/node and that is what rural areas lack

which the gov is trying to fix

[umbral cliff]

Just did a 4G speed test 75 down, 36ms ping. That’s from indoors where my apartment kills reception

[umbral cliff]

Yeah. If you’re not getting 25/3 then internet just barely works anymore. Thus not fit for purpose

So it may as well not exist

[glacial knot]

do you know if that tests over UDP or TCP?

and what your technical wire speed is on that connection?

[forest edge]

how old is whatever you plucked that from?

it's been like many years since 25dn was a thing

[umbral cliff]

Was from Verizon. But got news articles from 2021 saying that it is too slow and should be updated https://gizmodo.com/the-fccs-definition-of-broadband-internet-is-too-slow-1847257425

[forest edge]

but either way 30ishdn is fast enough for rural

[umbral cliff]

Judging from that, it hasn’t been updated yet

[umbral cliff]

Whatever Speedtest.net uses, what do you mean by the latter?

[umbral cliff]

3 up isn’t though. Should have about 5-10 nowadays at a minimum

[glacial knot]

I think that's TCP on 8443.
Actual transmissino speed. Which will be the theoretical maximum without loss / congestion control

[forest edge]

i get 127dn on 4g in my concrete basement.. but i'm in the city so that is all the diffrence in the world

if i take my phone to my farm and run the same test it will likely only be around 50ish lol

[forest edge]

you said it yourself the FCC definition is outdated lol don't even think 3up is a thing

[umbral cliff]

Unsure of that. Think the 4G used here is a theoretical of 400? I don’t know

[umbral cliff]

Well given people don’t meet the requirements then yes it must be a thing. I said it is an outdated measurement, and by increasing the speeds you’ll have more people without broadband

[umbral cliff]

Whilst if I use 4G or 5G in the country I can get over 150

[forest edge]

i still consider 30ish broadband hell evenm if the up is only 15-20 that is plenty

the whole goal of the gov is trying to supply efficient speeds for school type work

[umbral cliff]

And the fcc says that 25 and below isn’t broadband. Ergo there’s a lot who are running slower

[forest edge]

when you gotta drive and hour or more before reaching any type of populated area the 4g speeds are so nurtured kids can't do online schooling lol

assuming you can even get 4g.. some don't.. and satellite speeds are even worse

[restive vapor]

Did a test on my fibre

2.3% lost

Why?

[forest edge]

which is astounding to me.. you would think they would have figured out how to improve sat speeds by now

i love that LG feels the need to send me emails of useless crap like this

that tells me nothing.. where is the info about water usage and power usage

who gives a shit what mode i use the most

[restive vapor]

Try intergrate ur washing machine into homeassistant

[forest edge]

it is

that don't tell me anything diffrent lol

other than I can see when it's running and make it run etc

[restive vapor]

Does homeassistant tells the power usage

[forest edge]

no the LG integration doesn't have that

at least not for dishwasher, fridges or washer and dryers

[restive vapor]

Maybe a wifi switch with voltage measure

Can help here

[forest edge]

I shouldn't have too LG collects that data already they just don't send it to me. i know this cause I've seen my fridge have it when I had an issue with it one time

[restive vapor]

Oh

[umbral cliff]

Wait so they actually collect it but hide it? The fuck

[forest edge]

yea

they use it to detect "problems" but instead of sending me the data they just say "it's working normally"

[restive vapor]

What is the cheapest 3d printer you all recommend

[forest edge]

Creality Ender for here in the US.. it's the cheapest most good rated one I have found through research

the ender3 or ender 3 pro

3d printer is the one thing i haven't pulled the trigger on yet but keep telling myself one day i will lol

[restive vapor]

What us plug looks like

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/plugyourself-plug-yourself-you-tube-twitch-gif-14616361

[restive vapor]

Argh no seller offers Malaysia plug

Only us

Guees I need a adapter

[umbral cliff]

You want something that supports 240v

The USA is 110v

[forest edge]

isn't that the same as the UK plug?

[umbral cliff]

Actually yeah this

UK is your best bet

Else an adaptor with something sold with a UK plug is best

Plug a 110v device into a 240v socket and you’ll have a nice boom

[forest edge]

think adapaters auto buck it down

well us ones do

[umbral cliff]

They don’t. Adaptors are dumb

Transformers convert

If you take apart an adaptor you’ll find it literally just connects the pins (it’s why they’re cheap)

[forest edge]

well they call them converters

but all the ones showing up on amazon buck it down

[umbral cliff]

Most laptop/ phone power supplies can support 100-240v

[umbral cliff]

Send a picture?

[umbral cliff]

Yeah those don’t convert voltage

[restive vapor]

Uk plug looks similar to Malaysia plug

[umbral cliff]

These are transformers

[umbral cliff]

If the plug is the same as Singapore then it’s the exact same as the uk

Thank being an ex colony for that

[restive vapor]

It's the same

[forest edge]

your right.. asshats calling it a converter is misleading

[restive vapor]

Aha
Rm361.14 for a 3d printer
Not bad?

[umbral cliff]

Unless you’re using a hairdryer or a kettle or a desktop power supply (some desktops only have cheap power supplies supporting one voltage) then it’s fine

[forest edge]

although with that said.. pretty sure the ender would handle the conversion on it's own

[umbral cliff]

You would hope

Cheaper psus may not

[forest edge]

pretty sure they sell it with an optional uk plug that just replaces the lead coming off the power supply

[umbral cliff]

For an ender3?

[restive vapor]

Not buying ender
It's too expensive

[umbral cliff]

What are you getting?

You might get one that’s absolutely crap

The ol you get what you pay for

[forest edge]

yea gotta be weary of what you get

[restive vapor]

Idk

[forest edge]

i been researching those things for years and the creality has held it's ground as being good for the price the whole time

[restive vapor]

First time buying

[umbral cliff]

Yeah still worth ensuring it is 240v, especially when you’re someone like Darren who doesn’t know the difference

[umbral cliff]

It looks somewhat crap tbh

[restive vapor]

Yes
But I only print small items

[umbral cliff]

Have you tried looking at the Creality website for price?

Not just whatever your weird domestic market is

[opaque girder]

Even the cheapest Creality would probably be better than this one

[restive vapor]

Holy

1737.45 rm

I don't have this much money

[forest edge]

ender 3 pro is 236 for me

course it's on sale

those ender go on sale all the time tho

[restive vapor]

Yeah but I don't have one thousand to buy it

[forest edge]

wow only 199 at microcenter.. whooped amazon's ass in price lol

[opaque girder]

Look for Ender 3. That one is usually around 150 dollars

[forest edge]

yea

[opaque girder]

It's a bit older

[forest edge]

the good thing about them is you can print off your own upgrade parts lol

[opaque girder]

Haha Yeap

And they are generally upgradable part by part

[restive vapor]

It's still

[forest edge]

that ender3 s1 is like the top end of the enders that's why it's 400 bucks

[young sigil]

I'm waiting for this to be available after Shitstarter. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ankermake/ankermake-m5-3d-printer-5x-faster-printing-and-ai-camera

Insane speeds from the pre-release reviews.

[restive vapor]

Any cheaper option

I currently have rm100

[forest edge]

wtf does the camera do that requires ai?

[young sigil]

Looks for spaghetti

(failed builds)

[forest edge]

interesting

what if your printing spaghetti

[young sigil]

The biggest gripe the pre-reviewers had was that Anker has no business being on Kickstarter

[restive vapor]

Looks like that's it
Looking forward to my first 3d models

[young sigil]

Cover the camera

[forest edge]

kickstarter sucks in that aspect.. people funding already profitable companies

[restive vapor]

Then it reports
Camera faulty
Print function locked until camera replaced

[opaque girder]

I'd then try saving money to get an Ender even if it's the cheapest one you get. It's generally worth the money for what you get. Compared to one no one's heard about

[clear ferry]

Hey it's Thanatos my favourite Greek

Ender is good as you can learn how they work by observing them fail, best regards an Ender user

[opaque girder]

Mine has never failed

[clear ferry]

I prefer the gods that deal in death

Yamaraja is great too

[forest edge]

the first iterations of enders had those issues but then when people started upgrading them through printing those issues melted away.. the newer enders don't get reviews of them failing

[clear ferry]

Hel is always fun

[restive vapor]

I just want to print now

I can't wait alr

I can't intergrate 3d printer into hass right?

[glacial knot]

You can via Octoprint