the-water-cooler

[late gate]

Welcome to the madhouse

[fiery sorrel]

is that the brand that shuted off ?

i heard a thing about one recentely

didn't look deeper

[clever mortar]

Imploded more than anything else

[fiery sorrel]

that bad ?

should i look into it for shit and giggle ?

[clever mortar]

Shut everything down, and walked away

[fiery sorrel]

oh, that's classical :D

[midnight adder]

I have just intrested in "Auto-home", so 🍞

[clever mortar]

https://staceyoniot.com/insteon-is-down-and-may-not-be-coming-back/

[midnight adder]

Is anyone here?

[fiery sorrel]

would you look at that, an integration :D

with a big warning

how fun to see Hass is once again the solution

[fiery sorrel]

awww :( i'm sorry you follow religious date and don't endors capitalistic holidays :P

https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-death-wish-coffee-deathwishcoffee-UQCfSpnpDY5n0MCCiY

[clever mortar]

I'm in favour of all holidays, particularly if they mean I don't have to work

[late gate]

I dont like coffee

[fiery sorrel]

tea ?

[late gate]

but Im on the dark side

coke

[fiery sorrel]

beer ?

vodka ?

XD

[midnight adder]

Vine

[late gate]

Im the 1% who loose weight by coke lol

[fiery sorrel]

as long as your internal organ don't liquefy, your good !

[fallow karma]

As long as coke doesn't mean cocaine , it's ok

[late gate]

yeah no cocaine lol

[fiery sorrel]

what's wrong with cocaine ?

😳

[clever mortar]

Just ask your nose 😛

[fiery sorrel]

which one ?

[fallow karma]

You loosing weight, but also teeth

[fiery sorrel]

oh wait :)

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/corn-party-gif-23289314

[last cedar]

In your eyes, everything is a software package on top of debian

Even debian

[clear ferry]

Even raccoon.sh ?

[last cedar]

Especially raccoon.sh

Raccoon is always on top

Climbing, and jumping and falling

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-tiktok-cringe-watermark-tiktok-watermark-watermark-cringe-gif-22182993

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Who says that? Their own images hardly show a trace of debian and if you install it on top the installer even replaces the kernel.

s/present tense/half a decade ago/

[clear ferry]

Proxmox virtual environment, popularly known as Proxmox VE, is an open-source server virtualization software based on Debian Linux in conjunction with RHEL kernel, which is modified to permit you to generate and set up new virtual machines for private servers and containers with unified storage for improved efficiency.

I assumed it actually used the Debian kernel

I might be outdated

So it is an abomination now then

[clear ferry]

Ooof 8.5% inflation in the us and still rising

[finite atlas]

same here in germany

[clear ferry]

Is it that high? You were at 6 last i checked

[clever mortar]

UK is at 7%

[clear ferry]

Oooof

We are only at 4.5 which 2+ of that is related to petrol and power prices

Also

Excuse me wtf

https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html

[last cedar]

Done some wiring today. Alarm / door entry system.

Batteries are 45Ah for scale

[forest edge]

is that nature trying to fight it's way in through that window?

[finite atlas]

officially 7,3%
but since the EZB printed 30% money out of nowhere, one can only guess where this jurney is going

[clear ferry]

Oh boi

Hopefully I get word of my 10% raise after Easter

[finite atlas]

you aint even have money issues

[clear ferry]

Two kids, wife looking for work, two cars, house

There is always money problems

[shadow prawn]

1st world money problems

[minor nexus]

anyone remember the name of the really expensive board you can put on your wall where you can set the text on it and it will flip through the letters to the right ones?

like this: https://c.neevacdn.net/image/fetch/s--IlorgIlE--/https%3A//thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/alphabet-flip-board-17945876.jpg?savepath=alphabet-flip-board-17945876.jpg

found it: https://www.vestaboard.com/

[forest edge]

price of those things is absolutely insane

[willow sundial]

Anyone have an off the self smart lock that works with esphome or home-assistant(Z-wave or Zigbee) where home-assistant validates codes inputted on the keypad?

[umbral cliff]

Except for the fact you need to use an app to pair the velops together, which requires a login from memory

[minor nexus]

yeah - I kinda get it, they probably aren't selling a ton and there are a lot of moving pieces in there, but woof

[hushed basalt]

The cost of mechanical complexity

[forest edge]

please, it's old tech in a new wrapper

[static schooner]

we had a flip clock like that many years ago and I can see the allure of an addressable modern version

[hushed basalt]

Age of the tech has little to do with it

If anything the age makes it more expensive

Those flipboard signs in airports etc would have been incredibly incredibly expensive

[umbral cliff]

Wish they still existed in airports

They were cool

[static schooner]

they make for good sound effects

[last cedar]

Haha old external wall. House was extended before it was finished, so it was a window to the outside, that now looks through to the garage. Going to block it off when I have time!

[forest edge]

those were commercially targeted products, this is residential. I also bet if there was a way to compare price size for size etc those flip boards back then wouldn't have costs as much

[hushed basalt]

I doubt it

Commercial/industrial gear is always orders of magnitude more expensive than residential

[forest edge]

I agree, which is why this flip boards price is insane lol

3k+ for something you hang in your kitchen that isn't cooling or heating your food

[static schooner]

It could give you the next step in the recipe

[forest edge]

so could a pen and paper

[hushed basalt]

People spend lots of money on designer pieces all the time

[forest edge]

Trump people.. sure

[hushed basalt]

There's lots of parties involved for distribution/sales/service channels for products like that

So while you see $4k,

It's likely the company only makes maybe $1k

[forest edge]

well i'm waiting for the chinese company to come clone it and sell it for a fraction of the cost and ultimatly put the original company out of buisness

it's happened to segway

[hushed basalt]

Yes that can definitely happen

[static schooner]

It does seem particularly vulnerable to breakage

[hushed basalt]

But the company is obviously targetting upscale clients

Who generally don't buy direct chinese brands

[forest edge]

please, anything you open has a made in china sticker

[hushed basalt]

Which means lower volumes, which means more overheads per sale which means higher price

There's a difference between made in china and a chinese retail company

Their target market doesn't buy Roborock and Xiaomi

[forest edge]

yea cause maids have no use for them

[finite atlas]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/04/18/2f60bc65939131e9.jpg

[hushed basalt]

Billion dollar companies don't keep their manufacturing domestic out of patriotism or supporting jobs

They do it for niche markets

Where the MadeInTheUSA is a sales differentiator

[forest edge]

i call fake, those people standing by that car are not running away in panic

[finite atlas]

its just their average neighbourhood raccoon

i see nothing wrong

[forest edge]

does made in usa cost more in au?

[hushed basalt]

I'm keeping it USA perspective for ease of conversation

Obviously the Australian equivalent is Made In Australia

But almost nothing that can fit in a shipping container is made in Australia

[forest edge]

well that company can do whatever it wants but they doomed themselves to stumped growth

[hushed basalt]

Maybe they're a juiceroo

Maybe they're not

[forest edge]

only so many rich people who would find a use for that product lol

[hushed basalt]

But there's a lot of costs involved from taking something from a pitch meeting to a product in peoples homes

The isolated unit cost of manufacture is only a small portion

[forest edge]

not so much that something like that costs 3k

they probably put themselves in debt and the price tag is a desperate attempt to get above the water before they grow old

[hushed basalt]

That's generally not how things work

[forest edge]

lol

[hushed basalt]

Firstly they're trying to raise funding

From a utilitarian perspective it's terrible,

But that's not the job it's trying to serve

A utilitarian alternative would be a digital signage display

(plus they're not cheap either)

Plus there's also the application and infrastructure development costs

[forest edge]

lol monitor with an graphical display that clones it that also pipes out the flipping noise

all ran off an rpi

[hushed basalt]

Development costs could be $1m+ without breaking a sweat

For software only, not product

No one doubts you can make a DIY raspberry pi consumer tv put something on the screen

But for example, a cafe trying to attract business customers to come to their store vs the 6 next to them only has a few factors to leverage

Service, atmosphere, and coffee quality

If their $100k redecorating brings in 10% more people over 3 years while charging 10% more, it's a win

[forest edge]

3k is within the realm for commercial. not saying it's not

it's the residential pitch that i find comical

[hushed basalt]

Yeah like I said they're not targeting middle class

[midnight adder]

🍞 Good morning

[hushed basalt]

They're targetting people who spend $10k a year on clothes, $40k holiday trips,

Tbh $10k is probably low

Is it a dumb product, absolutely

Is it a gross waste of money, absolutely

Are they making a huge profit on every sale, probably not

Will it be a successful business, maybe, maybe not I dunno

[clear ferry]

Aye, you are right, don't have that app anymore though

[clear ferry]

All the people I hate, great

[cedar chasm]

I'd pick up one of those if it, say, fell off a truck

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-what-are-you-gonna-do-mafia-mob-gif-16012659

[umbral cliff]

Useless app too, put the router into bridge mode and the app just breaks. Only thing it’s useful for is being able to get the current public IP if anything breaks for ddns

[clear ferry]

Never had use for it

In bridge mode all features are of anyway

But meshing still works

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/u682tr/metrics_compared_to_imperial/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[forest edge]

Go fuck yourself is the correct answer 100% of the time

[clear ferry]

Imperial is only good for one thing

Getting worn down metric bolts out

[forest edge]

replacing that worn down metric you say? i agree!

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/r5lo9w7l1au81.png

[orchid rose]

All scandibros do

[forest edge]

i don't get it

[last cedar]

Haha

[orchid rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njypyOHHqo @forest edge

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/moomin-groke-morko-urr-sad-gif-8391349

[forest edge]

so all finnish people are afraid of a large duck with a cold butt?

[clear ferry]

Yes

Hufsa

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-moomin-moomin-faca-meme-funny-gif-25033107

[forest edge]

can't imagine what it's like to be afraid of an animated plush toy

[clear ferry]

Says the guy from the country where people are afraid of eachother

[forest edge]

sorry, you think i'm from norway? I mean which country avoids each other again?

[clear ferry]

We just don't like eachother,we aren't afraid of eachother

Big difference

[forest edge]

you know what they say, hate is always the mask for fear

[clear ferry]

I sure hope @fathom sparrow had time to migrate to #449717345808547842 over Easter

[static schooner]

He has Risen

[low harness]

Mårran. That's nightmare stuff.

Everything she touches turns to ice.

[clear ferry]

🧊

[west bronze]

hi where should i ask for a help with my ha? Today after udate im unable to acces my ha even unable to acces proxmox! what could go wrong

[glacial knot]

probably a proxmox issue then. But on here, sounds like a #330990055533576204 installation
In general, #general-archived is the dispatching channel 🙂

[cedar chasm]

Sigh, #449717345808547842 ; miss that channel. Like the deserts miss the rains

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I'm not venturing into the cesspool that is #installation-archived

[cedar chasm]

Yeah, gives me vertigo

[cedar chasm]

Although I suppose people not showing the flag for container in #installation-archived reduces new recruitment, casting shadow on the installation method in the user stats, possibly paving way for the dessurection of the method, thus dooming us all to run #330990055533576204

We truly live in the darkest timeline

[low harness]

Just enable analytics.

And as long as os runs container it won't go away.

[clever mortar]

Also, Container underpins HAOS, just as Core underpins Container

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

HA Primera

[clear ferry]

What is this? Offbrand diskworld?

Dåskwørld

[static schooner]

an infinite sequence of turtles holding up the earth, as seen from the moon

[clear ferry]

Before I zoomed in it looked like ant eaters

[low harness]

It's turtles all the way down.

[clear ferry]

Teenage mutant coredns-issues are ridiculous, I'm sure glad I'm not running a bonkers installation method ninja turtles

Heroes in a half shell

DNS power

[low harness]

Wow. A windows program that respects my time.

Thanks, Chocolatey. Just for that I'll reboot right away.

[clear ferry]

That must be a virus

[static schooner]

It's experiencing shame for its broken update mechanism

[low harness]

First time I use it. It must be really hard to handle updates in any reliable way under windows, though..

[clear ferry]

It's easy

Run a dark site

yes I manage windows update in dark sites

yes it is a pita

[cedar chasm]

I enable analytics like a good maze-rat.
The cheese at the end of the HA-maze has thus far been satisfactory

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[cedar chasm]

(big) brother won't you spare a dime

[low harness]

You got me staring at the analytics data. This curve shape is fascinating and keeps repeating for every major release

It's so very clear with the distiction between early adopters, those waiting for .1 or .2 and those waiting one or two monthlies.

[clever mortar]

2021.12 saw an interesting spike

[low harness]

Yeah. Could be state of the smart home.

[clear ferry]

.3 is minimum for me

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/posts/3/

Command '.3' was invoked by: atxbyea

[low harness]

Or when was the linus thing?

I wonder if we'll be able to se an Insteon peak.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-awesome-graph-up-gif-23012001

[low harness]

That could be the slight upwards curve at the end of the total installs graph, actually...

Or maybe that's just because of the current four day weekend.

[clever mortar]

To be honest the 2022.4 curve looks much like the 2022.3 curve

[low harness]

I'm in a build-your-own robotic lawn mower group on facebook, and the first sunny day each year always brings a couple of thousand new members.

[last cedar]

V8 powered robotic lawn mowers?

[low harness]

Better yet. Powered by a disassembled Jula screwdriver.

[clear ferry]

Don't bring Murica into this

[last cedar]

Has everyone seen those people who raced motorised bar stools?

Kinda similar thought process with the V8 mowers

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbish-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-trash-you-suck-gif-5495325

[static schooner]

Any sort of DIY project that involves a sharp spinning blade that moves around on its own seems like a recipe for toe separation or similar tragedy

[low harness]

It's dead now, sadly.

I was doing debugging of the arduino controller and left the lid open that one day it rained in 2018.

[brisk glen]

Mother fing cert-manager and traefik… not fing working on kubernetes

🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

[midnight adder]

This is why we love Home Assistant
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/shameful-insteon-looks-dead-just-like-its-users-smart-homes/

[orchid rose]

oof, "we're keeping the lights on"

[forest edge]

in the long run it's actually good these companies do this shit now. eventually enough people will be more selective and thus forcing companies to have to release products that can stand on their own much like how shelly are

[umbral cliff]

That assumes the average consumer has enough foresight to care

[static schooner]

It's so ridiculous because Insteon itself is all local control

The hub is an unnecessary risk and cloud tie in

[forest edge]

if something becomes well known long enough it's not so much the matter of caring, it's just turns into common knowledge.

[last cedar]

Raccoonzilla

[umbral cliff]

You mean a money making exercise

[forest edge]

still too small, that would be more like one of the foes you may see in japanese anime shows

[last cedar]

Don't make me bite you

[umbral cliff]

Don’t give sonoma a good time

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bite-cat-kitty-pet-gif-17924889

[finite atlas]

i hope it can give me scratches :3

[brisk glen]

Ah hahahahahahahahahaha I’m about to hear shit from a professor about this one classroom

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-itchy-wait-im-busy-hold-up-gif-16492854

[dawn prawn]

that always feels so good

[dawn prawn]

we do everything better in this part of the world....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnxbd7Xx2Q

[last cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905530832448524318/965962992002949200/h54DAAADF-35753.png

[orchid rose]

That's really bad.

[hollow urchin]

My Home Assistant in a country that I am not able to enter... For anyones interest

Since the "Operation" commenced my company evaced me out of Russia (Moscow), so now I am overseas for the last 2 months. Basically it has now been decided that I am not going back.
All of my things are still in the apartment and we have just learnt that it is not possible to get them shipped out, so they are going into storage.

But what is interesting, thanks to NabuCasa I am still monitoring everything in my apartment with Home Assistant, and so far I have been offloading my NAS to the cloud over the last 4 days (probably will need 2 weeks).
And yes I have been updating to the latest Beta releases haha

Anyway, just thought it might be interesting little story for some people 🙂

[finite atlas]

i hope you dont have anything too important thats physically stuck in moscow

[glacial knot]

hm, my desk control unit has a rj45 socket
should I try to figure out if it's a text based protocol? 🙂

[glacial knot]

There is even a BT module for the open socket, that would allow app control. I hope someone already played with it 🙂

[last cedar]

You love it

[last cedar]

You can send it emails, telling it what height it should be at, and such

[hollow urchin]

A couple of things, but we had started moving some important stuff in Dec knowing we were leaving... Just didn't know it would happen this way

[shadow prawn]

Nice, a new toy arrived

[harsh inlet]

So.. Moral question for you all.. If you could fully automate turning on your water irrigation system when this occurs. would you?

[clear ferry]

Or having kids

[harsh inlet]

lol.. don't think there's a Kid box for Frigate 🙂

[clear ferry]

Water irrigation systems what an American concept but yes I would

[finite atlas]

how tiny of milliwatts does it output?

[shadow prawn]

2 * 125W at 8 Ohm, quite a beast

[finite atlas]

sweet

[shadow prawn]

Look at this huge ring transformator

[finite atlas]

looks average to me

also, when OC

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/04/19/e495c26e31820db6.jpg

[shadow prawn]

Its 150mm wide and something like 80mm high. Not even my crown pa amplifier with 2*400W @ 4Ohm had one this big

[clear ferry]

I love proper ring transformers

Make amps lopsided

[shadow prawn]

Does not look defect

[finite atlas]

njet

[shadow prawn]

one thing, i dont know why, it doesnt even matter how hard to try

[forest edge]

if you know they are not picking up the poop afterwards then for sure.

[last cedar]

Definately not. But absolutely would go and shout at the owner next time I saw them

Actually, why not turn on the irrigation system. They deserve it

[forest edge]

even racoons don't mind a little water

[forest edge]

new batman movie is complete aids

looks like something @clear ferry would direct

[brisk glen]

t’s not DNS
There’s no way it’s DNS
It was DNS

Kubernetes let’s gooo now that we have valid certs

[finite atlas]

watch the old star trek stuff its golden

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with old star trek, old shows had to made due with what little they could but this current shit has no excuse

[finite atlas]

the current shit sucks

[glacial knot]

Make sure it also covers the side walk

[last cedar]

Wash away the poo?

[glacial knot]

The owner

[forest edge]

damn spider on my backdoor camera looks like one of those alien face huggers

[umbral cliff]

Can’t say that without sending a picture

[shadow prawn]

Pics or didn‘t happen

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/n6b1ed8qlou81.gif

[forest edge]

🕸️

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-simpsons-spiderpig-whatever-does-gif-22373180

[low harness]

Can he swing from a web?

[green inlet]

It’s 4/20 and not a single question about how to automate grow lights today.

Very disappointing

https://tenor.com/view/ernie-weed-w33d-mary-j-marijuana-gif-17401267

[static schooner]

Expecting an uproar from all the stranded sober Insteon folks?

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/wNuA-S287cI

[brisk glen]

Those of you who use Kubernetes, what load balancer are you using? The one built into k3s…. Is not exposing the ips correctly to traefik

I already replaced the storage system…

[umbral cliff]

Cute friend

[last cedar]

People use kubernetes??!!

[brisk glen]

Um yes?

[last cedar]

When I tried it I didn't go any futher than using the built in one, but I didn't do much with it

[last dirge]

I'm about to migrate a bunch of stuff to Kube pods

[brisk glen]

I’m in the process of doing that now

[last dirge]

I don't know what I'm doing yet 🙂

[brisk glen]

I have a basic idea at this point

I got scrypted running inside kube, home assistant is next

[brisk glen]

https://kubenav.io

This may help

I have k3s with default storage disabled (I’m using longhorn instead)

Next up is fixing the real ip issue with traefik which may require me to replace the load balancer

Cert-manager handles my certs

Spinning up HA should be a copy and edit of my scrypted config

[umbral cliff]

I can’t remember who offered to help, but I have 0 clue how to set up sonarr/ lidarr/ etc and could do with help

[clear ferry]

Well

Containers @umbral cliff

Easy

Look at my github

[umbral cliff]

Yes I know how to run them. I don’t know how to set it up

I have them all sitting idle doing fuck all

All containerised of course

(I actually did use your GitHub to set it up lol)

[clear ferry]

Well

You need some indexers

And you need some downloaders

Jackett searches torrent sites, qbittorrent downloads torrents

[umbral cliff]

See that part is where I get lost

[clear ferry]

That said, 99% of stuff is better off from Usenet

Then you need to have some Usenet indexers, and for example nzbget to fetch

[umbral cliff]

I’m very lost

[clear ferry]

See, *arr is just search engines

They search indexers

[low harness]

gain

[clear ferry]

Then send the things they find to a downloader

[clear ferry]

You mean Bonarr

[low harness]

Oops. Search bar element lost focus...

[clear ferry]

I knew it Thomas is searching for how to gain all the Linux isos

Or i have nothing left to gain

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-butt-stuff-push-gif-5748081

[clear ferry]

I've tried ELI5, do i need to ELI3?

[umbral cliff]

I do understand the basics behind what it should be doing, but how does it get indexers. I swear when I’ve tried it just errors badly

[clear ferry]

Well

You need to subscribe to newsgroups

For monthly or yearly fees

Then use your API key

Or for jackett,you just need to add it to *arr as an indexer

[umbral cliff]

Yeah this is just further cementing that I know nothing and almost shouldn’t bother lol

[clear ferry]

You should just subscribe to my plex then

All the Linux iso videos you can ever need

Sorry, no Home And Away

[umbral cliff]

Nah I’ll do it the old fashioned way. Hunt a show, then download it

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-miller-new-girl-jake-johnson-ew-no-gif-16761984

[low harness]

Just find someone streaming it on youtube.

[umbral cliff]

I will change. I just need easy baby steps lol and recommendations of what to use

[clear ferry]

I will send you some links

[forest edge]

just have atx share his plex and make him install ombi so you can just use his shit to fetch whatever it is you want to watch lol

[clear ferry]

Lol ombi

Overseerr or gtfo

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Raccoons/comments/u8hzo7/is_it_ok_to_own_a_raccoon_in_switzerland/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Wasn't me, promise

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jim-the-office-okay-mmm-gif-17183499

[uncut mulch]

could someone identify this connector?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430462871546232844/966640646209306714/IMG_20220421_153418.jpg

[finite atlas]

metallic and round

[clear ferry]

Finally got my hacktoberfest merch

https://tenor.com/view/hacked-hack-computerhack-virus-computerglitch-gif-14411709

[hushed basalt]

Lol I was just talking about usenet to other people

Usenet is basically pre world wide web reddit

[wintry crow]

Used to be great as a couplo my former ISPs had their own nntp servers so it totally maxed out my bandwidth

[earnest prairie]

Suspicious basil plant spotted with Frigate 😂

[clear ferry]

I used to read on Usenet in the 90s

Somewhere between BBS and www for me

[full yew]

your thoughts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/u8lemj/when_im_unable_to_maintain_my_home_automation/

[clear ferry]

I touch my home assistant setup once every 3-5 weeks perhaps

Last time it crashed was in 2018

Not sure this is a problem

Also I can edit it from anywhere in the world if i so see fit, even on Transatlantic flights

[full yew]

But what if you're no longer around for example... your wife comes home and the lights won't work

for me she would need to hire an electrician to remove all the devices ive installed

[clear ferry]

We have had that problem too

I'm currently maintaining the system of a dead friend

And have fixed it when it stopped last

[full yew]

so the solution would be a friend that also knows something about home assistant

[clear ferry]

I have had to fix it one time so far, and he's been gone for 1.5 years

So, it isn't a big issue, it just keeps working

[full yew]

yeah its pretty solid indeed

[umbral cliff]

Sorry to hear about your friend even if it has been a year and a half

[umbral cliff]

Your switches don't work when HA is down/ aren't just screw in bulbs?

[clear ferry]

I should probably upgrade the HA ecosystem at some point

Last time it was upgraded was October 2020

[umbral cliff]

But also last time HA went down was a reboot of the server hosting it, that is longer than a instant reboot for a change in config

[full yew]

Correct. Automation is written based on a deconz_event. So the switch pressing is processed by HA

[clear ferry]

I don't use physical switches anymore, all lights are always powered, bulbs turned on or off based on events

[umbral cliff]

Thats not great, at least here the bulbs will all follow mains power on/off if HA dies. Or work with zigbee groups. Or are just smart switches (shelly)

[clear ferry]

I have only one smart powered wall switch, and it will probably get removed

Because it doesn't behave properly in ZigBee group

[umbral cliff]

(Also yes I know toggling smart devices on mains isn't good, but if its between that or no power, it works well enough)

[full yew]

i could use traditional switches but that would make me unable to switch them on by automation when they are turned off

[clear ferry]

This is why I only use smart bulbs

[full yew]

i'm using the hue lights mainly which require energy all the time to work

yeah me two but if you use a switch a cut the power that smart switch won't be reachable

[umbral cliff]

I've got all smart bulbs, and only one smart switch (for outside lights I don't wanna smartify)

[clear ferry]

Even my guests never touch the switches, they know the house conforms to them

I put 14 ikea tradfri bulbs outside @umbral cliff great range

25m from wall

[umbral cliff]

Motion sensors?

[clear ferry]

Or door sensors

Plus all lights are adjusted automatically every 5 minutes

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean by adjusted? Like daylight method?

[clear ferry]

Brightness and colour temperature

Between 08-22

Based on outdoor light levels

https://github.com/basnijholt/adaptive-lighting

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I use that adaptive lighting already

its cool

Wish I actually had a light sensor for outside

Still trying to hunt ali

[clear ferry]

Yeah, strange the one I use is gone

It works great

All the Norwegian shops have it in stock

[young sigil]

If it is for a TV antenna it could be a Belling-Lee socket.

[uncut mulch]

it is

[umbral cliff]

Damnit

Im thinking of this one in the end

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000030637208.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.107f4242qONzYA&algo_pvid=8a33918d-3788-43b9-95b4-a564602d99d9&algo_exp_id=8a33918d-3788-43b9-95b4-a564602d99d9-2&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"12000020670342978"}&pdp_pi=-1%3B61.93%3B-1%3B2.5%40salePrice%3BAUD%3Bsearch-mainSearch

[finite atlas]

a solar panel and will do the job

[clear ferry]

That isn't great @umbral cliff

It only updates on motion

[umbral cliff]

Its the only one I can find though

[clear ferry]

I need to order in a Norwegian shop and ship to Oz?

https://www.proshop.no/Smarthus/Xiaomi-Mi-Light-Detection-Sensor/3001304

[young sigil]

If you can wait until next month I'm going to write up a DIY lux sensor project. Just waiting on a slow boat of parts from China.

[umbral cliff]

Hmm that would require it to be plugged into the wall though right?

[young sigil]

Yep

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I want something that can hide outside without power

Like battery powered

[umbral cliff]

Oooh it might be available on kogan lol https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/xiaomi-mi-light-detection-sensor-white-09346112012762/

Bit more $ than ali, but might actually be in stock and in australia

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-work-sing-work-work-work-music-video-gif-5341238

[forest edge]

that looks like a direct rip off of ombi lol

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/BSF04i3zNGw

the idea of buying a robotic mower just to gut it goes against my nature

but would be sweet to dump this on a diy gas push mower with eletric motors

[dull chasm]

Buy a real mower

[static schooner]

or a 🐐

[dull chasm]

True

[umbral cliff]

My friend had one of those, it ended up strangling itself attempting to walk away from the pole it was leashed to

[fallow karma]

With V8 ?

[forest edge]

You are thinking of riding mowers.. those people put V8's in

https://youtu.be/0VxYuYiZZZA

[eternal sun]

Hey all.. Already a user of HA for some time, but finally found my way to here! 😄

[earnest prairie]

Anyone using unraid? How friendly is it for a complete n00b like myself?

Thinking of turning my old PC i7-5820k + 980Ti into a NAS for HA, Plex, (Rendering using a VM?), security camera footage, etc

[clear ferry]

Unraid is forgiving

You don't need a high end GPU though unless you plan to do a ton of transcoding

Unraid also supports mixing drive sizes, which.... Has pros and cons

[earnest prairie]

hmm not sure if it would be used for transcoding or not, I have some 4K UHD footage but I just presumed the Plex client on a nvidia shield played that without it needing to be transcoded.

I will do some research on the drive sizes - cheers for that

[clear ferry]

It's more forgiving than truenas as you don't need the same drive size, but you don't have memory enhanced performance of zfs, and unraid runs docker instead of the lxc nonsense of proxmox

So all things have pros and cons

I just opted for pure Debian, with zfs, and will probably run mergerfs+snapraid too for media volumes

And docker and kvm natively

[earnest prairie]

That's all over my head I'm afraid but I'll do some googling and research on that 😅

[glacial knot]

don't worry, atx is a nerd

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-geek-trendizisst-gif-15533112

[fallow karma]

Guys, my tv is a bit obsolete, i lost support for Hbo Max, and I'm thinking about some tv stick or something. But: isn't better idea run Kodi on Rpi for same price ? Can I run HA and Kodi on same machine without any trouble?

[glacial knot]

Running anything on raspy isn’t going to be without trouble

[clear ferry]

Apple TV has been good for me

Shit just works

Supports all tv stuff and hdmicec just plays nice with my avr

[fallow karma]

Anyone tried Amazon Fire tv stick?

[last cedar]

Mostly cons

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/con-pros-and-cons-contra-against-not-for-it-gif-13642507

[finite atlas]

me

get at least the 4k version as you can feel the speed difference between it and the lower spec ones, but i'd go for an apple tv nowdays

[static schooner]

I'll repeat my plug for the nVidia Shield TV, which in my humble opinion is a more capable and more automatable option

it even has an AppleTV+ app, if that's your thing

[clear ferry]

I still have only seen one Nvidia shield in stores in Norway

And never heard of anyone who has one

Appears to be a very Murica thing

[last dirge]

+1 on the Shield TV

[earnest prairie]

Shield is okay but overkill for most I think

[static schooner]

you could get a lesser device, but it's comparable in price to the AppleTV and runs pretty much everything you'll ever want

[forest edge]

you forgot incredibly more expensive as well

the nvidia tube is a pos

don't even mention it.... ever

[last dirge]

"incredibly more expensive"

wat

Apple TV and Shield TV are comparably priced

[static schooner]

perhaps when compared with a Fire TV stick

[brisk glen]

I just opted for k3s and longhorn

3 node NAS

[minor nexus]

why? I have the 2017 version (pre-tube) and it's been mostly great. It has its issues at times but better than any other android STB I've used (I refuse to get an apple tv)

[umbral cliff]

I prefer using an apple tv to the chromecast with android tv personally. The remote makes more sense with apple (like wow a play/pause button) and apps just seem to load faster & run faster

[minor nexus]

I have a (likely dead soon) Caavo box and that has filled the gap for all remote needs

the shield remote was definitely annoying at times

[forest edge]

the tube was super gimped to bring the price down. while it may handle some things ok, it's so gimped that I have done nothing but read bad things about it

with an android device that's bad cause the apps are too much for the device

[minor nexus]

wans't that the one that had the AI upscaling? I thought I read somewhere that people were super excited about that

[forest edge]

they all had that. probably was an improvement for the tube

I would just spend the extra 50 bucks to get the pro, but then on that note I wouldn't buy a shield to begin with.. there are cheaper alternatives that run android but with way better specs

[minor nexus]

examples?

everything I've read says that most android STBs have problems but I haven't actually tested that myself

[forest edge]

problems?

as for examples. there's tons of of them on the market, like those mi boxes and i think there is one called Bee or something

i think the mi box is the same stats as the tube but for like 1/3rd the price

[last cedar]

What kind of backwards shit-hole is Norway?!

They are everywhere in Sweden, including in my TV stand

Actually, more like a speaker stand, because the TV is on the wall, but you get the idea

[glacial knot]

I don't think I've seen a single one anywhere here

which is clearly a sign of an enlightened area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ

man, that is old by now

[clear ferry]

We are a progressive nation of sensible idiots who enjoy consuming bananas orally I'll have you know

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-torvalds-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-18053606

[forest edge]

you know we all read that as "anally" right

[clear ferry]

You read what you want

-Siegmund Freud

[forest edge]

I wish streaming was a thing in my youth. would have been nice to have something pay me for having a gaming addition lol

[green inlet]

The Apple TV remote is a POS although using the remote on another Apple devices is a win.

[umbral cliff]

I actually like the Apple TV remote lol. Both the new style and the older glass style one

[green inlet]

Uhm, speak for yourself freak.

[green inlet]

Have you ever tried to do a single thing with the pad on the top of the remote. Useless.

My wife fights with the remote. I just pickup my phone.

[clear ferry]

We too only use the Apple Remote

In both living rooms and bedroom

Controls avr and atv

All I need

[last cedar]

Controlling your all terrain vehicle with an apple remote is something I would love to see

[clear ferry]

If I only was a redneck

https://tenor.com/view/tammy-damn-oh-damn-gif-16084410

[umbral cliff]

Yes and got quite good at it. Found easier to do fine navigation by tapping on the edges of the touch panel than swiping

[forest edge]

apple products 🤢

you people ruin the world you know that

[cedar chasm]

While I rage quitted Apple products a few years back, I'm back on a Macbook now and I would murder innocents for the battery performance of this machine.

Good thing I don't have to, as they are readily available in shops

[clear ferry]

What battery performance is that?

My Chromebook gives me 13h

The Zbook is supposedly 14h I think

[cedar chasm]

I'll see your 13h and raise to 18h

[clear ferry]

Oh Shoiiiit

[cedar chasm]

And all I had to sacrifice was more moneyz plus the off-chance that I might have to serve as a component part to a Human-CentiPad at some point in the future

but that's a future me problem

Nothing to do with present me

[clear ferry]

Then again, I seldom work more than 6h a day anymore

[cedar chasm]

I like that I charge this thing like tops twice a week

unheard of since the Nokia phones of yore

[clear ferry]

I leave mine in the charger 95% of the time, home office life

Only unplug it when I bring it downstairs

[cedar chasm]

My life is mostly decay in the sofa, so our use-cases are different

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-we-are-not-the-same-im-not-like-you-im-different-lucifer-morningstar-gif-16846506

[restive vapor]

Does homeassistant have a prometheus endpoint

[cedar chasm]

no earthly idea what that is but there is an #integrations-archived for it at https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/prometheus/

[green inlet]

I once had a Prometheus endpoint, very painful, surgery took care of it.

[forest edge]

never heard of a giant hemorrhoid being referred to as Prometheus before but ok

[clear ferry]

Mine should be named after Prometheus

It constantly grows back

[shadow prawn]

Dont press so hard, eat more fiber

[velvet horizon]

@icy saffron posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/mebideciwo

[shadow prawn]

Kek

Greetings, your Maggus

[finite atlas]

antenne bayern

[clear ferry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/uanzfa/the_great_resignation_is_creating_massive_pay/

[long wedge]

Is anyone good at photoshop? I'm just looking something very small done. I want the black dot removed in the top left as I'm planning on getting it blown up and I think it's a bird of a helicopter and I think it might look stupid when it's blown up

[young sigil]

Sure I can do that. DM me a link to the file.

Or do it yourself with either content aware fill or if it is a black dot on a plain background use the spot healing brush tool.

[finite atlas]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2022/04/24/c5ecf64f7ebf6075.mp4

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bobatyun-taehyun-raccoon-gif-19443812

[static schooner]

next they'll be opening doors...

[shadow prawn]

This time you were faster

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-big-teeth-happy-smiling-kid-gif-15805115

[forest edge]

Been awhile since you posted a picture of your kid

[finite atlas]

:3

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge down in Nawlins was thinking about coming by KC 😆

What you got ?

[pallid willow]

dude, hastebin is legit

[forest edge]

BBQ buddy, just about every type of BBQ you can imagine lol

[minor nexus]

getting anecdotal here so I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered that people had problems with the mii box when it first came out

maybe it's gotten better

I also thought the processor was not as good

[forest edge]

I think it's on it's 3rd or 4th iteration so.. but the point is. the nvidia shield is overpriced because you are paying for the name. Sure the bigger company will take better care of support for thier products etc but that's like choosing a dell over a custom built pc

[static schooner]

The difference being that you're completely reliant on nVidia or another manufacturer for these STBs, vs. often being able to maintain/upgrade PCs yourself

having said that, the Xiaomi Mi Box S looks like a good alternative for $65

[forest edge]

if they ever figure out how to get hwaccell under android on an rpi those companies will be in trouble lol

[static schooner]

I used to run Kodi on a RPi3b+ and it was pretty good for what I needed at the time. But with 4K, Dolby Vision, Atmos, and all the streaming apps, etc, you really need dedicated hardware now

[glacial knot]

as if my peripherals supported any of that 😂

[forest edge]

RPI4 can handle 4k etc just fine. it's the games on android it chokes with without hwacell but videos play just fine

[tidal bronze]

Just BBQ 🤔

[forest edge]

you could eat dirt if you really wanted too...

got access to some cow patties if you wanna give that a go

i know how you like that organic stuff

[finite atlas]

@forest edge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JUkdeqi9U

[hardy sinew]

Google Home Assistant SDK with Volumio OS music player/server hosted on Raspberry Pi 4 Model B

multilingual machine

It’s just running in the background as I shut off my main laptop; no need for “hey or ok Google prompts” but just any random questions

I accidentally told it to give me the locations of all the motel 6s in my area and just like a usual assistant it did xd

[glacial knot]

That music is so deliciously horrible

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7dH9Qnbb7pwDahy1Vb9ZQa?si=y-cXnwCzSAWXywfE7akZQw&utm_source=copy-link

[steel kettle]

so, again. WiFi is good enough for most HA applications according to HA integration statistics

[ebon plinth]

Wifi can be stable to, so don't know why it's an issue... cable is more stable.

[clever mortar]

Please take this to a thread

[steel kettle]

(if proper hardware is used, same applies to ethernet switches/routers)

[ebon plinth]

Agree

[clever mortar]

Threads are awesome for this kind of "discussion"

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcasm-sign-quote-gif-10836119

[glacial knot]

good morning atx o/

[clear ferry]

Mörning

[late gate]

I got a lot of babies now. Luckily no diapers :p

[finite atlas]

yum, diy turtle soup

[late gate]

oh you didnt

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-yes-gif-22948122

[late gate]

Here we ONLY eat Racoons

[glacial knot]

only if their insides are turtle soup

[last cedar]

So much raccoon to wash, omg

[last cedar]

You monster

[late gate]

I didnt start it

[last cedar]

You did. You ate raccoon

[late gate]

mmmmmmmm

straight out of the garbage

[last cedar]

Where else would anyone be??

[hushed basalt]

These things are so good

I can't believe I've gone so long using the crappy standard style shifting spanner

As in these crappy things

[clever mortar]

That's a strange looking hammer

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-max-gif-25312996

But the truth is, the life isnt like that

[forest edge]

spanner is such a weird name

[green inlet]

For a crescent wrench….yes…for once I agree with you Sonoma 🤣

[static schooner]

It was worth the war to get away from that British English nonsense 🙂

[forest edge]

yea don't think I could handle brunch and calling cookies biscuits etc

[clear ferry]

Says the language that thought u was a hard letter

[forest edge]

american english pretty much sets the standards anymore.. everything else is just caveman paintings

[static schooner]

And often a holdover from imperialism in days gone by, like in India

Throw off the yoke of oppression, brothers, and drive on the right side of the road!

[clear ferry]

I'll choose English (United Kingdom) locale for my systems thank you

[forest edge]

You have choose chicken scratch

[clear ferry]

I see English is not your first language

[green inlet]

I regularly speak in the the queens english

That or redneck.

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

we really don't want to hear your "pillow" talk to your wife before sexy time

[umbral cliff]

How are they better than the other one?

[forest edge]

they are not

i will say quality makes a worlds of difference with how easy they are to adjust. course proper care also goes a long way

[green inlet]

You call it sexy time?

[green inlet]

To be honest, a standard crescent wrench is about as useless as tits on a boar

[forest edge]

completely disagree

several times you need a wrench but don't have a set of standard wrenches or even have room for them

[green inlet]

Any socket wrench these days will fit in tight spaces much better than a crescent wrench. I haven’t used a crescent wrench since the late 90s

[forest edge]

plumbers always use them. don't see them used in automotive too much but it's always a tool to keep on hand

socket wrench can't turn nuts on steering arms etc

or do you mean wrench? cause to me a socket wrench is those ratchet closed ends they came out with like 15 years ago

[pallid willow]

Me 5 hours ago: LOL! Who would spend 5 hours customizing a Lovelace dashboard?

Me now: finally, customized at last

[umbral cliff]

You mean these?

Because they’re definitely used in automotive

[forest edge]

wasn't sure he meant. I thought maybe he was referring to these http://mobileimages.lowes.com/productimages/0f8fe8de-4f93-41bc-8efc-606a68d89e15/09225552.jpg

and never said they weren't used in automative. I said you don't see many crecent wrenches (spanners) used in automotive

[umbral cliff]

Ah sorry I misunderstood. Thought you meant socket. But yeah they’re used still just as a support for getting bolts out

[hushed basalt]

Way thinner jaws, smaller head to jaw width ratio

And longer jaws

Can get into more places with less effort

Only downside is theres less metal so it needs to be higher quality, and more machining

So not good things when youre a conglomerate flogging off potato grade cast iron tools to unsuspecting Australians with fat margins

[umbral cliff]

Lol which brand are you talking about there

[hushed basalt]

Theyre all owned by a tiny handful of entities

Stanley Black and Decker

[umbral cliff]

I haven’t bought any tools that are from those brands before. Only Bunnings (ozito), and Bosch recently (and wera for screwdriver)

[late gate]

Nothing is more annoying having an electrician in the house doing work I could do myself. Just looking at money goes out the window. I installed 10 new plugs in the house

[finite atlas]

why did he do it then?

[late gate]

Cause of Norwegian laws require everything to be done by electrician. Its extremely strict

Kinda sucks for smart home. In the US I guess people can change switches etc to smart switches yourself, here they charge you $200 pr plug plus material

[umbral cliff]

That’s more expensive than australia lmao

[shadow prawn]

Why? Elsewise no forsikring?

[late gate]

yes, you can get two issues. 1. no insurance and 2. they have random controls where you might be required to fix the whole house or they cut your power

[shadow prawn]

They look into your junction boxes and your fuse cabinets?

[finite atlas]

we have no home insurance to begin with

[late gate]

under a control, yes

what if your house burn down @finite atlas ?

[finite atlas]

then i'll cook marshmellows with it

[late gate]

Also if you sell you need documentation everything is legal or you can get a load of issues and a heavy degrade of value

[finite atlas]

simple solution to it, dont sell or blame it on others

[late gate]

If it was that easy. If they control I dont want to be here without electricity

[finite atlas]

yeah, sucks to be handicapped and not being able to do stuff yourself

[umbral cliff]

Wait so even if an electrician changed a light switch 5 years ago you need proof of that happening?

[late gate]

Yes

[umbral cliff]

Like replaced a broken switch with a new one type of change

That’s incredibly stupid

[late gate]

This house is 30 years old and I need proof on everything

[umbral cliff]

Glad that’s not a thing here

[finite atlas]

All they really care here, is that the electricity meter works as it should

the rest is up to us

[umbral cliff]

Like here yes you need an electrician legally, and if they wanted to they could inspect, and finding stuff they could ask for proof. But most minor stuff doesn’t have an electrical safety document with it, and there’s no requirement on sale

So you could do it yourself, you risk voiding home insurance though if they find out

[late gate]

Norway has always been kinda a nanny-state

[finite atlas]

meh, one more reason to move to sweden instead

[umbral cliff]

But then you’re in Sweden

Just move to Denmark instead 😛

[finite atlas]

not enough snow

[late gate]

Now the lobby wants it to be required to have a plumber to attach a washing machine to the water

[finite atlas]

not enough remote areas

[finite atlas]

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2022/04/24/ac311059f64a1ec1.jpg

lobbyists really love to squeez every little penny out of people..

[late gate]

yeah

[umbral cliff]

Stupid. Only thing regulated tbh should be attaching gas lines, given they can cause a hell of a lot of damage if done wrong. Electric and water both are pretty simple

[late gate]

Im so jealous on the americans that can do most themself, though their electric system is 30 years outdated vs europe

[finite atlas]

i'm in germany

we've done pretty much everything ourself
except the gas line to the heater & the electricity line from the street to our house and electricity meter

both of which are totally fair not to be done by average people

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I guess mains into the house should also be restricted

[late gate]

we dont have gas lines here (a very, very few have), but in general no gas here

[finite atlas]

all the wires & plumbing has been done by us
the only issue is, we've underestimated how much electricity we need in our garden, so the line and fuse are a bit underrated and it goes out a few times a year

[late gate]

plumbing is not legal to do yourself too

[finite atlas]

ouch

[late gate]

my brother built a bathroom, and had to tear it down cause the inspector didnt want to approve it, even if it was to code

[finite atlas]

;-;

[late gate]

In my view you should be able to do everything yourself, and get it inspected and approved

[finite atlas]

What if you'd just move to the woods without electricity and water?

[late gate]

I bet its some regulations for that too lol

[finite atlas]

ouch

[late gate]

you are not allowed to mount solar panels yourself so maybe thats the catch lol

[finite atlas]

well, just dont mount them then

just lay them loose on the roof

[late gate]

Haha, yeah

The baseline of what you can touch is 50V, so POE almost is not allowed to do yourself lol

I would not be suprised if POE would be regulated too

[finite atlas]

so a 48v battery system is allowed to have, nice

most consumer electronics runs on lower voltage anyway

[late gate]

yeah, but you can only touch 12/48V up to some amps so high amp 12v is not allowed eather

In norway just assume its not legal

[finite atlas]

ouch

i start to dislike norway more and more

[late gate]

Add 40-50% tax on income and you will love it 😉

I paid 40K USD in tax last year

[finite atlas]

well, with a salery tripple as high as the average european, i'm totally cool with it

[late gate]

salary tripple, but prices are also trippled

[finite atlas]

income tax in germany is also pretty much 40-50%

[late gate]

auch

[finite atlas]

when you count in all expenses that you must pay and cant avoid at all

[late gate]

yeah. all in all I guess its ok enough if you get something for it

But for smart home hobbiest I just would love to have more freedom to make my house proper smart

[finite atlas]

how exactly is it hindering you?

[late gate]

too expensive. If I would do everything I wanted it would cost at least 50k USD

[finite atlas]

and more detailed?

[late gate]

change switches, more power (this house is from a time where it was not the power drag as today so underdimensioned), integrated smart plugs, smart dimmers etc

[finite atlas]

find your ways around it
use light bulbs with remote switches and all the fancy functions you need
use those smart plugs, that you plug into the wall outlet

[umbral cliff]

How is your house underpowered? You should be able to just up the fuse on the main switchboard? Though a 50a fuse should be fine

[umbral cliff]

Also what income for that

[finite atlas]

too thin wires

[umbral cliff]

Oh ew. How is that possible for a 1990s house

[late gate]

@umbral cliff about 90k

[finite atlas]

Well, i meant it more like having too much outlets wired to the same wire or stuff like that
Too few outlets and such

[late gate]

This house have 1,5mm2 wires and 10amps, when I should have 2,5mm2 and 16 aps and ground

that would be the best

my office got ONE outlet

ONE!

[umbral cliff]

Surely you can add another outlet to that room then

[late gate]

yeah of course, but not myself

[finite atlas]

i pretty much always use those multiple outlet thingies

[umbral cliff]

But that’s worse than australia. Parents have a 50+ year old house, has 2.5mm wiring

No thought about whether something can go there or not. There’s room

[umbral cliff]

Powerboards?

[umbral cliff]

Yeah a power board

[late gate]

I use them everywhere

[finite atlas]

just an example image

i have an 8 port one under my table for all my pc stuff

[late gate]

Just getting quality ones

[umbral cliff]

They’re very easy to use. And nicer than like 10 points in the wall

[late gate]

If you build a house now you need 6 points behind tv etc

and plugs in every corner

[finite atlas]

electrically, thats the right thing to do ^

those power boards are not really a great solution

[umbral cliff]

I’ve got 2 5 port ones and a 12 port one running off two separate sockets. Given the low power draw it’s fine

They work fine, they have overload protection built in, and otherwise are just solid metal linking it all

[finite atlas]

We wired everything with 2,5mm² wires except the lamps, they are wired with 1,5

[late gate]

yeah jut dont go to IKEA and buy power strips

[umbral cliff]

Why not? They’re still meeting electrical standards

[late gate]

I want to rewire the whole house

IKEA use 0.75 or something

[umbral cliff]

Here it’s all lighting is 1.5, everything else is 2

[umbral cliff]

Guessing they wouldn’t here given they need to meet electrical standards

[late gate]

I use APC power strips with power surge protection. Quality

[finite atlas]

cause each plug, adds resistance and one more point of failure
cheap ones which people like to buy, tend to use crap quality components aswell

not saying all power boards are bad, but electrically speaking having the proper amount of proper outlets in the wall is better

[umbral cliff]

Yeah the amount in the wall is better. Except having 6-10 points is very very ugly

[finite atlas]

yup

[umbral cliff]

And in areas where they’re not needed all the time, useless too (eg bedroom because that’s where my computer lives atm)

[finite atlas]

but 2 points each corner should be fine and once per room 6 ports or so for computers

but not my problem, i'll stick to my power boards

cheaper & easier to do

[late gate]

If I built a house I would go crazy with plugs etc. I probably would even concider KNX

[finite atlas]

knx?

[late gate]

Very established smart home over cable

integrates in HA

[finite atlas]

ooh

[umbral cliff]

Honestly I wouldn’t want to integrate stuff in except for either fibre or Ethernet

[finite atlas]

i'm not that deep in the smart home eco system

[umbral cliff]

Even 1 gig Ethernet will still be a home standard for the next decade at least

[late gate]

Of all things I have ethernet to all rooms except my office

[umbral cliff]

Though by then I feel 10 gig will be more usable

[late gate]

The office Im planning to get cable too

just a bit finicky

[finite atlas]

1 gig local yes, but residential connections will likely stay under it for many many years

[late gate]

I have a 10gbit backhaul

[umbral cliff]

I would still probably wire fibre up for where network comes in -> network closet area -> study

[late gate]

fibre

[umbral cliff]

Yet 1 gig residential connections are already a thing in many countries

And in a decade they’ll be the mainstream

[finite atlas]

how long is a decade, 100 years?

[late gate]

I prefer to work on cable. I DO feel the difference on wifi vs cable

[finite atlas]

by then, yeah maybe for 80% of people its viable

[late gate]

I have 1gig up and down internet connection

[finite atlas]

we have 50/10

[umbral cliff]

I know Germany is slow, but even australia will have a fibre connection for most if not all suburban connections. And 1 gig will become a lot cheaper

In a lot of Asian countries 1 gig is the slow service

(Eg Singapore)

[finite atlas]

max we can have is 175/40 for 50€ a month

[umbral cliff]

And 5-10 gig is their premium service

Sounds like Germany is just being Germany lol

[finite atlas]

yes

vdsl all the way

[umbral cliff]

At least australia is trying to fix the mess of the nbn by upgrading homes

[finite atlas]

with hyper deluxe super master vectoring

[late gate]

Here its not enough competition. We have fibre in the house so can terminate fibre directly in the switch

so the potential for higher speed is there

most newer routers come with 2,5gbit WAN now

[umbral cliff]

I can’t see myself needing more than a gig symmetric for years

[late gate]

I run unifi so have a bit more

[umbral cliff]

Especially when 100/40 works perfectly fine

[late gate]

I cant imagine going back to 100 lol

dont thing they even sell it anymore

least is 300/300

[finite atlas]

i'd be more than happy with a proper 100/40 connection for a fair price
but all ISP's sucks in germany and ship shitty routers with high bufferbloat and have fun diying any solution without getting insane

[umbral cliff]

250 is nice, just don’t need it so don’t need to pay for it

[umbral cliff]

You can’t just use your own router?

That’s worse than australia

Wow

[finite atlas]

well you can, after jumping through a lot of problems with telekom
if you use another, its easier but those have way way way shittier customer service as they wont face legal issues like telekom

[umbral cliff]

If you use your own router here, depending on the ISP the only thing you lose is access to the voip based landline (otherwise it’s exactly the same)

Probably the only best part of nbn is it’s removed the isp difference, now pricing is set by nbn & they all use that main connection. They compete on other areas but all let you byo

[late gate]

Most people here have moved away from VOIP

and landlines general

[umbral cliff]

Im still a fan of landlines but that’s just me lol

[finite atlas]

The way i fixed bufferbloat, is by using an OpenWRT router behind the ISP router and installed SQM QoS onto it, i have ~7% less bandwith but no 300ms+ lag spikes

and i've also lost all ipv6 support by using a router behind the isp's

[umbral cliff]

At least ipv6 isn’t super needed as of yet

[late gate]

5G is being more integrated now so landlines are obsolete

[umbral cliff]

But so bad you can’t just put your own router in place and use it

[finite atlas]

yep, but i'd like to use it

[late gate]

We finally got native IPV6 on our fibre

this year

before that they had a hybrid 6RD

[finite atlas]

we still have hybrid ipv6 support only..

[umbral cliff]

I still prefer a physical proper phone & one that rings across the house. Useful to try and get the attention of whoever is home

But again, is me lol

[finite atlas]

yeah same with us, we still have proper phones at home

[late gate]

Even my parents at 80 years old have only cell phone now

[wintry crow]

If anyone is in the UK and looking at a new HDD, https://www.cclonline.com/product/290169/ST12000VE0008/Hard-Drives/Seagate-SkyHawk-AI-12TB-3-5-SATA-III-6Gb/s-7200-RPM-256MB-Hard-Drive/HDD3629/ is an insane deal. Just bought one for my CCTV setup

[umbral cliff]

My grandma mostly uses her mobile, still useful to have a landline if needed

[late gate]

The old PSTN was ok as it worked when power was down, but the IP phone is down when internet is down

[umbral cliff]

Also pretty sure my isp here has supported native IPV6 for ages, and enabled by default since November 2021

[umbral cliff]

I just like physical phones & landlines. I know my mobile does it all, still prefer that stuff

[late gate]

thats fully allowed

[finite atlas]

i like having my personal phone and home phone separated

[forest edge]

we call those power strips, sometimes people just refer to them as surge protectors

[umbral cliff]

Here they're powerboards. All have built in surge protection

[forest edge]

you sure all?

that seems unlikely

[umbral cliff]

They're required by law to have overload protection sorry, not quite to surge protection

I got it mixed up

[finite atlas]

we often call them extension cord in germany

[forest edge]

yea i think it's the same here just a switch with built in fuse.. altho we still have some old stock lingering that don't even have that

what we call extension cords is mainly just single outlet on both ends, sometimes they can up to 3-4

[finite atlas]

yeah i know

[forest edge]

but the name comes from the length being like 6ft+

[finite atlas]

i find it funny tho

[umbral cliff]

We have extension cords being just the 1->1 extender (usually 1m all the way to 10-30m)

[clear ferry]

I love this @glacial knot @finite atlas @dusky plank

https://open.spotify.com/track/6gcFq5UOdNa8LzTRd4lldD?si=bPWFzA9gQYSJM7i33yjzsQ&utm_source=copy-link

Is that the actual name of hide and seek in German though?

[glacial knot]

Open your eyes!

Ah, no. That would be “Verstecken”

(Hide)

[clear ferry]

Oh

It is the same in Norwegian

"gjemsel"

I thought about Eckstein

@hearty depot too then

Think I tagged all the German speaking ones

Or did I miss anyone

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/goth-goth-youtuber-goth-youtube-goth-influencer-funny-gif-23551445

[clear ferry]

Love that you have the confidence to post selfies now @forest edge

[forest edge]

don't try and play it off that, that isn't you irl

[clear ferry]

If I only had that much hair

[forest edge]

super glue

[clear ferry]

Was never that good at makeup either

https://tenor.com/view/robert-smith-the-cure-facepalm-oh-no-stressed-out-gif-17925344

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-beavis-and-butthead-mike-judge-headbanging-headbangers-gif-4832670

hide & seek = verstecken
the guy sings: "open your eyes i'm coming, watch out i'm coming, dont show (yourself), hide yourself"

so kinda an advanced adult version of hide and seek i guess

[clear ferry]

The word Eckstein was what I thought was the German word for it though

Since it was placed there

Perhaps it was chosen for rhyming though

[finite atlas]

eckstein is corner stone

[clear ferry]

Eckstein - verstecken

[last cedar]

Kurragömma

[clear ferry]

Yes, i know what the word means

[last cedar]

You mean

[clear ferry]

Damn Swedes

[last cedar]

You uncivilised oaths

[finite atlas]

hello raccoon!

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-well-hi-cute-gif-15474141

[clear ferry]

Swenglish @last cedar

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-raccoon-viralhog-hungry-raccoon-eating-gif-16930108

[clear ferry]

Engdish

Perhaps

[young sigil]

Thanks google translate. Really helpful.

Ah it was the Kapital K that Konfused it.

[clear ferry]

Damn capital letters

[hushed basalt]

Capitals are the worst

[finite atlas]

so are capitalists

[hushed basalt]

Especially the ones full of Norwegians

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/skam-vilde-cries-in-norwegian-crying-gif-11876994

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/SoFUdpKU-fEAAAAM/alan-partridge-scum.gif

https://y.yarn.co/d1856a5f-ee49-4de2-8acf-821f63f951e5_text.gif

[finite atlas]

nyom

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-the-one-ayto-aytogifs-mtv-nodding-gif-18006421

[prisma briar]

It's really hot in here today

[hushed basalt]

/f2c 161

Do we have a temperature bot

[low harness]

around 70 I think

That is hot

[hushed basalt]

Did someone leave their sensor on atx's seat again

[static schooner]

.f2c 161

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

161 degrees fahrenheit = 71.67 degrees celsius!

[late gate]

Man its so tiring doing ha dashboard without having a gram of creative talent

Im a programmer, not a designer ffs

[orchid rose]

Do you need a dashboard?

[late gate]

Yes, its a partner requirement

It start to look decent though

Now I just have to do what I promised; make the blinds, lights and tv turn off / up when you say good night to google

[clear ferry]

Ew dashboards

[orchid rose]

Dashboards are kinda kewl ngl

[late gate]

I think I made the best one this far of the ones I made, but probably hate it tomorrow lol

Using the minimal thingy:

[clear ferry]

Ew light theme

[late gate]

Its dark too

[static schooner]

best strategy is to do something and live with it for a while to decide what's important

[clear ferry]

Also, vertical layout on a horizontal screen

Wtf

[late gate]

its for mobile

At least its not a HomeSeer dashboard barf

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-light-theme-lemon-demon-sex-gif-18607380

[late gate]

Happy now? :p

[finite atlas]

very

[clear ferry]

[late gate]

Hope you dont do that to your kid @clear ferry - getting a scribble drawing and asking wtf is thisssssss? hehehehe

[clear ferry]

No, she has actual talent

https://tenor.com/view/burn-sick-omg-omfg-dead-gif-4802144

[late gate]

in daddies eyes