the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

(don't mention his landline)

[umbral cliff]

Which manufacturer?

[clear ferry]

Hyundai

On top of VAG and mercedes

Apparently Volvo, ford and GM is doing it too, but not until 2040

VAG is doing it from 2025

Unsure about mercedes

[glacial knot]

VAG?

[umbral cliff]

Volkswagen group?

Maybe

[clever mortar]

Yup

[umbral cliff]

Wonder if bmw are going to announce their move

[clever mortar]

Volkswagen AG

[glacial knot]

Porsche aready said they won't go full EV

though tye are investing quite a bit into bio fuels. to keep the ICE cars

[clever mortar]

Well, they're VAG, so ...

It's likely to happen eventually, lets face it

[glacial knot]

The 911 is a lifestyle car. Not a car to drive because it is good in any way. And I think there's a second one they want to keep on combustion

though optimized to some more synthesized fuel, not refined oil

Scania as well. I doubt they'll move that entire branch to alternatives soon.
Probably main brand and some restrictions on which type of car is fully moved. @clear ferry do you have source handy? 🙂

[clear ferry]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a36803099/audi-confirms-it-will-stop-developing-new-internal-combustion-engines-in-2026/

This was for Audi though

Pretty sure I've seen VW state the same

Apparently it is more stop designing engines then stop selling

The Porsche ev is quite popular here already, I know multiple people who have switched from 911 to the ev one

Sales people 🤢

[glacial knot]

yea, maybe for the main brand. Not the entire Group

[clear ferry]

That said 64% of all new cars last year was EVs here

That includes commercial too I think

[glacial knot]

well of course. Remember what commercial means 😂

[clear ferry]

I think the number was 82% or something for ev + hybrid

So we are surely getting there

[glacial knot]

I wonder if MAN (and RENK) are going to EV any time soon

[clear ferry]

Norwegian government expected full EV sales from 2025, I think 2030 is closer to realistic

[glacial knot]

are there EV tanks? 😄

[clear ferry]

There are quite a few good ev delivery vehicles

The maxus is very good looking

Didn't Tesla have a EV long haul truck in the making

[glacial knot]

you trust musk to actually deliver what he promises?

[clear ferry]

Oh, Norwegian postal has bought

MAN eTGM

Volvo is electrifying their entire delivery range it seems

And so is mercedes

Volvo FH electric did 1099km it seems

[glacial knot]

https://www.mantruckandbus.com/en/innovation/a-different-means-of-delivering-beer.html hahaha

[last cedar]

This sums up 2022 perfectly so far

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[clear ferry]

Not my fault you have terrible eyesight!

I just don't have any depth perception

[glacial knot]

also, which size screens? 40"? 🙂

[clear ferry]

28

[glacial knot]

sounds about right

[clear ferry]

Got two of them used for €300 last winter

Great value

[turbid stirrup]

Wow
That's a good deal

[late gate]

Good morning misfits

[strange vapor]

I had 2x28" Dell monitors when in the office, along with the laptop screen. Took a while to get used to having the space for only one 28" screen!!

[late gate]

What browsers are you guys using?

Im using IE6.0

ish

[stuck python]

Offtopic hardware question. Im running a headless linux server (i5) is it safe to replace only the cpu (with an i7) using the same socket (1151) without reinstalling my system?

[late gate]

yes

[stuck python]

absolutely sure right?

[glacial knot]

qutebrowser

yes

[late gate]

I cannot see HA having any hw issue when its same architechture

[green inlet]

I would concur @stuck python

[glacial knot]

you can move linux from entirely different systems around the place, it doesn't care

[stuck python]

I was thinking the same. Shutting down pc, make sure power is drained everywhere and just replace cpu. Maybe remove thermal paste with some ethanol

[glacial knot]

move from 10 year old laptop to multi numa system? Sure, why not

[clever mortar]

The only time it matters is if you're going to an older generation

[green inlet]

Make sure to replace thermal paste

[umbral cliff]

Definitely reapply thermal paste

You’ll have problems

[stuck python]

hmmmm

[green inlet]

And you don’t need anything to remove thermal paste but a piece of tissue

[stuck python]

remove and reapply yes, this is the way

[late gate]

use toothpaste

[stuck python]

hmmmm interesting guys

[green inlet]

Haven’t looked lately but thermal paste was hard to find in the US a couple months ago.

[last cedar]

Hahaha omg no

[late gate]

shh

[glacial knot]

use ketchup

[stuck python]

everything grows more expensive as we speak, here in the Netherlands a 'regular' quotation for steel lasts max of 2hrs

[green inlet]

Mayonnaise master condiment

[late gate]

melted silver

[last cedar]

We just got 2 euro per liter diesel. It is very ouch

[glacial knot]

Didn't you get an electric?

[green inlet]

Gas here is in the $3.50 range for a while

[glacial knot]

that's per gallon, right?

[green inlet]

And I remember when it was .99 to 1.05….yes

Crazy

[glacial knot]

yea, still cheap as fuck

[green inlet]

Ok….but not here 😉

[last cedar]

Not yet

Was ordered in April

Was put on hold. Got reordered later last year, was told I would have it by christmas

[glacial knot]

Sounds rough

[green inlet]

Chip shortage affecting new cars here also

[last cedar]

Now got told it is being made between start of feb to middle of march

So might have it in April with some luck

And it is only hybrid

Can't get to work and back on a charge

[orchid rose]

fucking chip shortage... It would be a perfect time to start working on the map plotter project for the boat, but can't find a raspberry anywhere apparently and the prices went up too

[last cedar]

Would a raspi 2 do? :)

[orchid rose]

no 😦

[last cedar]

Shucks

I think I have 3

Don't tell atx

[green inlet]

Not just chips….did some painting over holidays….paid 70.00 a gallon. Apparently a paint shortage also

[last cedar]

No. I have one 3. And two 2b

Iirc

[orchid rose]

only thing there isn't a shortage for is shortages

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[green inlet]

Seems that way doesn’t it.

I wonder if some are capitalizing on an opportunity though. I mean paint?

[orchid rose]

Probably by hoarding it. That seems to be the way it works

[green inlet]

My better half wants the whole house painted but at those prices ……

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-paint-mitchell-moffit-shut-it-off-asap-youtube-time-to-do-some-painting-gif-23890693

Mälläta sun naamalle @orchid rose

[stuck python]

I think chip shortage has to do with the great powers that be aswell. There are only 3 high end manufacturers that process <2nanometer.

[clear ferry]

Yes my finnish is poor

[late gate]

https://media.giphy.com/media/4OzIJrgVNWXHa/giphy.gif

[stuck python]

Companies are afraid their intellectual property gets stolen

[clear ferry]

60 minutes has a great segment on chip shortage and CPU die factories

[stuck python]

i saw that yeah!

[green inlet]

Besides a death defying stairway 🤣

[stuck python]

Btw, who here hosts their own cloud server?

[clear ferry]

I have since 1998

Because cloud is just a internet connected service

[stuck python]

right

in that case 😉

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-cloud-cloud-magic-spongebob-spongebob-cloud-gif-18807050

But I also run a full VCF stack in my garage

With tie ins to AWS

Does that help?

[green inlet]

I 😍 your cloud 🤣

[late gate]

@clear ferry cant even satisfy his own server

[clear ferry]

You said you liked it

[stuck python]

you could give me some advice on my next home server 🙂

[glacial knot]

raspi4b

[green inlet]

By a good used desktop and call it a server

[late gate]

@stuck python Dont ask atx. then you get 10gb and full pro wifi

[clear ferry]

I am not the right person to ask for advice according to people

[stuck python]

hahaha

[clear ferry]

WiFi 🤢

[glacial knot]

pro wifi is a good idea though

[clear ferry]

Raspberry pi 🤢

[cobalt hamlet]

Depends on your needs? Home Assistant server or complete server to also have it do other tasks?

[late gate]

@glacial knot with a $50k/yr service agreement

[clear ferry]

Did someone say Superdome Flex with 64 TB ram and 64 full size GPUs?

[stuck python]

im pondering the idea of upgrading my cpu or getting new hardware and set up a whole new server in raid1

[glacial knot]

hardware subscriptions 😂

[clear ferry]

Raid1 is fine for os drives

Or database log drives

[glacial knot]

raidz1 > raid1 🙂

[clear ferry]

Zfs goodness

Gotta pump that memory boy

Raid-z is interesting though

Need to play with that

Or whatever that new zfs raid scheme ended up being called

dRAID they called it in the end

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/a-deep-dive-into-openzfs-2-1s-new-distributed-raid-topology/

[late gate]

@clear ferry Im just going to put high end Nvidia Quadro in my servers for GPU sharing

[glacial knot]

yea, I read a bit and figured that it's fore more advanced uses than my home setup

[late gate]

Its easy to overdo it

[stuck python]

might have one more little question regarding cpu

So there's regular clock frequency and turbo clock right? If im transcoding something that uses 80% of the cpu, will it then already be in turbo frequency?

[late gate]

How much are you expecting to transcode?

better to transcode on gpu

[stuck python]

well, its a headless server, so i have no videocard

we dont transcode a whole lot here, just sometimes when plex asks for it

[green inlet]

Just because it is headless, doesn’t mean you can’t install a gpu if you need it 😉

[stuck python]

and right now i run a i5-7400 and im looking for an upgrade

yeah @green inlet but i wanna safe some costs there

[late gate]

put in a GPU even if headless

CUDA cores, GPU power = nice things to have

[green inlet]

That’s a pretty beefy box actually for HAss

What else are you running

[stuck python]

i will (re)consider this when we invest for a new box

hardware wise?

[green inlet]

Services wise

[glacial knot]

that 80% is always of current speed. So it changes with the clock. If it's turboing, it's of turboed

[stuck python]

@glacial knot im not sure if i understand, is it selfregulating the turbo frequency?

[glacial knot]

yes, CPU decides on its own whether it turbos (or how much) depending on thermal and power limits

[stuck python]

@green inlet sab, sonarr, radarr, organizr, docker, portainer, plex, tautulli, cockpit, nextcloud, adguard

great addition ongy

[glacial knot]

but 50% use can be of your turbo clock while it turbos, or of your idle clock if it idles

though anything in the 80% area pushes it to highest allowed

[green inlet]

Are you running 80% all the time? Or just when transcoding?

[stuck python]

i would just be interested to see when it actually turbos

[glacial knot]

you'll have to watch the actual clock speeds. It should report them properly

I did notcie that my laptop doesn't report them per core though, with the default interfaces

[stuck python]

@green inlet no average load would be around 20% i think. When transcoding it varies strongly, i think between 40-99%

[green inlet]

So fix transcoding in your current box.

[stuck python]

shit, i should really get some stats on that

[green inlet]

A 4 core i5 should really be sufficient for what you are doing 90% of the time

[stuck python]

Well, i found a derpy thing. My server only transcodes on 'weird' releases...tv cranks up and gets grumpy then the server will compensate

does this make sense?

[green inlet]

Unfortunately I don’t run plex so 🤷🏼‍♂️

[stuck python]

mmmm

[green inlet]

But it shouldn’t be that hard to figure out with a little research.

[stuck python]

so you're saying that i5-7400 is beafy enough for now?

8gb of ram

[green inlet]

I mean….if you are running @20% cpu…..Except for when transcoding, why not figure out what you need to assist with transcoding. Also, if you can do a mem upgrade

8 gb is on the low side depending on what mem intensive process you have.

Have you ever run top?

[late gate]

Just buy a gaming laptop as a server, then you get lots of ram, ok cpu and ok gpu lol

[glacial knot]

and an integrated usv

[stuck python]

memory never goes above 50% weirdly enough

[green inlet]

Why spend the money when he already has a decent box?

[glacial knot]

needs to upgrade

[stuck python]

no you're right, this is what im pondering about. A man can fantasise 😛

[green inlet]

I mean, by all means, if you want a new box….go for it.

[stuck python]

Nah, i'll leave her be. Just next time i will do things slightly different. And for a Windows user exploring Linux through a terminal windows can be quite a challenge. But im happy with this stability

In the new house i might hook up some camera's aswell, thats the second reason why i choose a slightly beefier box.

[glacial knot]

get a coral then

[green inlet]

Hopefully soon 😜

[stuck python]

isnt that for the machinelearning?

Dont get me started on those houses

[green inlet]

Object detection

[stuck python]

Right now we're aiming for our own building project/rights

[late gate]

I had to start upping cuda cores when I started with object detection

and corals

[stuck python]

That coral thing you're talking about, can i run it on my server aswell?

[late gate]

yes

[green inlet]

https://coral.ai

[late gate]

you NEED it if you are going to use object detection or you will kill your cpu

[green inlet]

I am running frigate right now without coral

[late gate]

Im running it with 3 corals

[stuck python]

well, if the dreamhouse will end up the way we want, i want a gate opening/closing on carplate detection

[late gate]

no cpu load

[stuck python]

so i would need coral

[forest edge]

if you only have a couple of cameras but a decent cpu your fine

[stuck python]

@late gate you and i should drink a beer

[late gate]

but its worth it for the 50 bucks a coral cost

[forest edge]

not if you only have a couple of cameras

[late gate]

it start with a couple

[green inlet]

@late gate , send one to @scenic radish and one to me. Then we all be good

[late gate]

@green inlet I dont share! I need one pr camera :p

[green inlet]

You have one coral per camera?

Yea, THATS HOARDING 🤪

[late gate]

no, I have 3 for 10 cameras

Its overkill

one can do 100fps

[stuck python]

dang

[forest edge]

you running the dongle or the pci?

[late gate]

me?

[forest edge]

yea

[late gate]

dongle

[forest edge]

3 dongles? one pc? lol

[green inlet]

Yea, you really only need one since you in the 50 fps range

But I get it

They cheap

[late gate]

@forest edge Yeah I supposed to order one, but clicked three times on mouser so I got three. why not use them?

[forest edge]

lmao

[glacial knot]

just get the PCI card that Linus showed of

[green inlet]

Yea…..money

[stuck python]

damn guys, this coral is great!

[forest edge]

do you watch them to see if all three que?

[stuck python]

im interested in this aswell

[green inlet]

So they all the usb version?

[late gate]

yes, all usb version

[green inlet]

Spin up frigate container

[forest edge]

thats what dongle means

I think quad has 3 as well with like 9 cameras or something

so don't feel bad about having 3

[late gate]

I dont run any in extreme mode though (its a hand burn warning if you do)

[glacial knot]

how much bandwidht does a coral use? o.0

[forest edge]

more than a usb2 can handle

[glacial knot]

which isn't a lot

[forest edge]

I would consider maybe getting one of those pci adapters that can hold multiple mini pci cards

and ditching 2 of the dongles for that

[stuck python]

@forest edge why, if i may?

Im lurking and learning

[forest edge]

what? was that to me or pdobrien?

[late gate]

If I get a free pcie card I would change

less stuff in the ports

[green inlet]

Frigate does object detection and is tightly integrated with HAss. It is the go to container and uses the coral.

[late gate]

but guys remember to not run cameras on 25fps. 5fps on detection and 10fps on recording max

[green inlet]

Unfortunately, due to chip shortage….corals are hard to find

[forest edge]

got them in store near me

[stuck python]

so basically, frigate container, coral chip and a 5-10fps camera? thats it?

[forest edge]

but i don't need more than 1 lol

[stuck python]

HA will interact between the chip and the container?

[late gate]

https://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Coral/G650-06076-01?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu3sxpa5v1qruuGqP4jgT%2FvFit5Of2D2C4%3D 7 weeks is not too bad

[forest edge]

the cameras dosen't need to be 5-10fps

[late gate]

@stuck python running over 10fps on a camera is waste

[stuck python]

wouldnt that give clonky liveview?

or am i wrong?

[green inlet]

You need multiple feeds

[forest edge]

you use a main and substream

substream for detect and main for record

[green inlet]

And frigate can share the same stream it uses for detection as a live feed in HAss

[forest edge]

substream set to lower resolution and fps if can

[stuck python]

sounds like a hassle to setup

[forest edge]

its not

if you only have one stream it works just fine as well

I use mine with wyze cams which only have 1

[glacial knot]

if the cam supports it, it's not hard. I'm just still annoyed at software to make a USB cam available on a network

[forest edge]

?

use an rpi

[late gate]

Just buy proper ONVIF cameras. perioid

[forest edge]

insta network cam

rpi + motioneye in fast cam is just awesome

[glacial knot]

I must just suck at setting up motion
Because with everything I tried that just took way more resources than it should for that usecase

[stuck python]

and just for lamest terms, i can use any camera right? A doorbell camera would do (eufy).

[late gate]

I use motion -> double take -> face detection

[clear ferry]

Lol raspicam

Poe camera life

• frigate

• coral

[scenic radish]

10fps is low for recording IMO

[late gate]

no

[green inlet]

I record at 30 fps 😉

[glacial knot]

might as well go with 5 if you go down to 10. Choppy as fuck either way

[clear ferry]

I record at 30 too

[late gate]

its fast enough for someone running on each frame

is it superman you are filming?

[clear ferry]

10 is cool if you are pretending to watch a camera stream over dialup in 1996

[green inlet]

But can you identify the person ?

[glacial knot]

just take a picture if you only want to see everything for one frame

[late gate]

quality camera no problem

[scenic radish]

I record at 20 which is the max for all my cameras

[green inlet]

I haven’t setup recording in frigate yet. Still using native motion recording on the camera

[clear ferry]

I do detection on the 720 stream, recording on 1080/4k and do both snapshots of the object detection plus 20 seconds before and after

[late gate]

I record on 1080 / 10fps and detect on 720 / 5 fps

[clear ferry]

Both my streams are 25/30 depending on camera

[green inlet]

If I ever really need recordings, I would want 30 fps

[forest edge]

20fps is fine for recordings, it's not that bad lol

[clear ferry]

🤢

Staggering

Disgusting

[green inlet]

Of course….until you actually need your recordings 😉

[glacial knot]

som years from now, you'll see 30fps as staggering

[forest edge]

if you have audio you'd want 30fps tho

but if no audio lower fps is fine

[green inlet]

Huh

[glacial knot]

what?

[clear ferry]

Just do 1200 feet of cat5e with Poe , you might get 1fps

[late gate]

https://ipvm.com/reports/frame-rate-surveillance-guide

[glacial knot]

as if he'd use cat5e

[forest edge]

or spend over 200 to hook a camera up in the middle of nowhere

[clear ferry]

Better call @last cedar

[late gate]

shutter speed, exposure etc is much more important

[forest edge]

actuall if you had a long run with poe you could just dump repeaters throughout and still be cheaper than fiber lol

[green inlet]

So, you are saying, if you have space and ability….you would still choose to record at 20 fps?

[late gate]

it doesnt HURT with 20

but fine tune shutter

and exposure

bad shutter = blur

[forest edge]

if they are wifi cams it makes sense to not have several running 30fps

[green inlet]

At some level, cheap always comes back to bite you. You can either replace cheap every couple years or do it right the first time

[forest edge]

just chews up your network

[stuck python]

guys you've got me all excited, can i buy this one? https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Coral/G650-06076-01?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu3sxpa5v1qruuGqP4jgT%2FvFit5Of2D2C4%3D

[glacial knot]

of course you can

[forest edge]

so inaccurate, your confusing cost vs idiotism

[stuck python]

wait this is m2,

[glacial knot]

yes

[green inlet]

WiFi cams 🤢. So any average Joe can knock them out with a couple command line commands

[clear ferry]

I use a M2 coral via a pcie bracket

[stuck python]

ah

[clear ferry]

WiFi cameras 🤢

[forest edge]

lol any average joe? where the hell do you live?

[stuck python]

you have a pci m2 bracket?

[clear ferry]

Yes

From AliExpress

[stuck python]

ali?!

[glacial knot]

a country with half way decent education

[stuck python]

link?

[glacial knot]

.com

[late gate]

aliexpress 🤢

[glacial knot]

I'm surprised the bot didn't tell me it's not a command

[clear ferry]

NOK 110.51 | HOT M.2 Wifi Adapter M2 Ngff Key A-E To Mini Pci Express Wifi Raiser PCI-E 1X NGFF Wireless Support 2230 2242 Mini Pcie Network
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mM4Gux2

This one, but any with the correct key should work

[stuck python]

this is 16 https://www.amazon.nl/EZDIY-FAB-Express-adapter-ondersteuning-22110/dp/B01J36B75S/ref=asc_df_B01J36B75S/?tag=nlshogostdde-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=518451418252&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9341197955578324268&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1010304&hvtargid=pla-439269633333&psc=1

[green inlet]

Just curious….if you are going to dish it out….in the future….will you be able to take it?

[forest edge]

not sure what you mean

[green inlet]

Your little temper tantrum last night

I am trying to be nice to you 😉

[forest edge]

? what does that have to do with you being innaccurate?

[green inlet]

Cause when you were inaccurate and I called you out. You threw a hissy

[forest edge]

and it wasn't a temper tantrum, just simply told you to go f yourself lol

[green inlet]

Oh…ok

[stuck python]

can one use a GPU slot as a pci slot?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-cartman-screw-you-guys-im-going-home-gif-14697557

[forest edge]

is this your temper tantrum? that what you mean?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[green inlet]

Auh, no….I don’t have feelings

[glacial knot]

but you'll need the carrier card to make the M.2 fit

[green inlet]

Sold them on eBay years ago

[clear ferry]

Just shove it in

[glacial knot]

like a wiener in the cathedral

[stuck python]

i've got a great idea!

[forest edge]

if you don't have quicksync on the cpu you'll want a gpu lol

[stuck python]

you're absolutely sure about this right?

[glacial knot]

GPUs use PCIe to connecto the CPU

[green inlet]

Modern day gpus work off the pci bus

[glacial knot]

it's not a GPU port, GPUs go into PCIe ports

not a bus anymore since express

[stuck python]

this is my mobo

https://www.megekko.nl/productimg/1016797/1_Asrock-H310CM-DVS-moederbord-socket-1151.jpg

[strange vapor]

@stuck python Jeff Geerling has a whole series of videos plugging graphics cards into the PCIe ports supported by a Raspberry Pi4 compute module 😄

[clear ferry]

Closest thing that is true to a GPU port is the old AGP port

I never saw anything else than GPUs for AGP

[stuck python]

and i would like to push two pci m.2 cards in there

[strange vapor]

You're truly showing your age now!

[glacial knot]

I see 2 pcie slots there. the full x16 one and I forget if that small one is x1 or x4

[clear ferry]

Just wait till I mention MCA ports @strange vapor

[stuck python]

@glacial knot so they both are viable for pci cards with m.2 slots in there?

[strange vapor]

I have an IBM PS/2 Model 30 in storage with a 40MB HD on an MCA Card 😄

[forest edge]

it's x1 and the slot he should be using for the mini pci adapater

[green inlet]

Two google corals will support 40 cameras

[clear ferry]

Or more

[glacial knot]

they are quite literally PCIe slots 🙂 and that card adapter sthat to M.2, yes
though I'm sur eyou can find a carrier card for 2 M.2s in the single x16 slot

[late gate]

m2 in pcie can be a bit wonky if bios doesnt support multi lane

[stuck python]

no im going to use one for coral and 1 for an additional m.2 drive. To that i will migrate my linux system which free's up 1 ssd port, which then i can use to expand my storage!

[clear ferry]

Only for multi chip m2s

You mean bifurcation

[forest edge]

what cpu?

[stuck python]

i5-7400

[glacial knot]

Like https://www.amazon.com/Port-M-2-PCI-adapter-SI-PEX40115/dp/B01L83Z7Z0

ah nope, that's a sata one =.=

[stuck python]

could fit in this one in the minislot: https://coral.ai/products/pcie-accelerator/

[forest edge]

it's got quicksync, i would still consider dumping a gpu in that pcie just to make it be the decode/encode workhorse

[stuck python]

I got you @forest edge

[forest edge]

sure they make a 1x adapter

[clear ferry]

Which is what I use

[forest edge]

actually I know they do.. i just don't know if they are dual or single

[dusky plank]

https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/rx3l8y/opening_a_dam_gate_after_it_was_shut_for_many/

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sploosh-archer-pam-poovey-amber-nash-lana-kane-gif-5663846

[last cedar]

Yes. Any raccoons that need catching?

[umbral cliff]

We’ve got a truck driver shortage leading to a mass shortage of everything now 😂

(Also somehow we still have raspberry pis for sale)

[stuck python]

just to clarify, i can put the coral chip in the mini pci-slot right?

[glacial knot]

not without an adapter

[dusky plank]

lol

[stuck python]

oh ok

[glacial knot]

that's a normal PCIe, just with low lane count

[dusky plank]

it is a m.2 card

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/gataflautica-marywar-pushing-push-it-girl-gif-12217780

[dusky plank]

yeah, shove that IDE connector into the atx

[glacial knot]

surprisingly hard to find good multi carrier boards

[clear ferry]

Isa cards fit in a pci slot if you have a Dremel

[glacial knot]

x16 PCIe cards fit into an x1 slot with a Dremel 🙂

[clear ferry]

I had a customer one time not understand that a x1 card could fit in a x16 slot

And that folks, is why I still have a job

[dusky plank]

can these be used with the coral?

[green inlet]

I have seen posts where people discuss using the wireless to m.2 adapter. I think it’s all a ymmv thing though.

[clear ferry]

That is what I do

[forest edge]

if that is the only reason then I hope you put your application into mcdonalds

if you don't get an adapter that can house at least 2 then I see no benefit of it over the dongle

[glacial knot]

nah, stupidity of people is the major source of job stability

[forest edge]

would just like to shamelessly plug the fantasticness of the wyze v3 starlight sensor

they need to release a reasonably price video doorbell using that

[glacial knot]

wyze 🤢

[forest edge]

hard to complain the price vs features tho

[glacial knot]

Is it the same Wyze as Dell Wyze? 🤔

[forest edge]

no

[glacial knot]

ahh

[clear ferry]

Wyze 🤢

[umbral cliff]

Atx 🤢

[glacial knot]

aussies 🤢

[umbral cliff]

Europeans 🤢

[clear ferry]

It's worse then Dell wyze@glacial knot

[forest edge]

wyse

[glacial knot]

F

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

the one v3 i have is pointed into my backyard and the picture looks like it's still daylight outside at dusk. it's crazy

not sure how they would work in the middle of nowhere with no ambient light sources tho

[glacial knot]

just go to where atx is and you don't have to worry about night half of the year

[forest edge]

nothing is worth putting up with norwats on a daily basis

[glacial knot]

that's the good part

you don't

[forest edge]

outsiders go to norway to die.. not to live

https://youtu.be/yoWGDu6qyuQ

and you people give the us shit lol

[glacial knot]

who you? Calmelb?

[umbral cliff]

Oh you mean people who attempted to break the law and also people who protested against Covid restrictions whilst under a lockdown? You are watching heavily biased ‘news’ there

Try a real newspaper

[midnight adder]

this bot has deeplookup correct?

[glacial knot]

which bot?

[forest edge]

now you know how it feels when you guys post stuff you "hear" about the us lol

[midnight adder]

uh the main one here or whichever bot has it

[glacial knot]

I usually see the americans post about the ship that happens in your country 😂

[umbral cliff]

Except I know what media is biased. When it’s said by many people based there it’s far from biased

[clever mortar]

Hassbot

[midnight adder]

yeah, does it have that?

[clever mortar]

No

[umbral cliff]

Most of the people who protested there are anti vaxers who don’t reflect the people in australia (given we have 90%+ vax rate)

[forest edge]

of course it's still biased, you don't think people are biased?

[clever mortar]

It just hooks an existing lookup

[forest edge]

ask me about the medical practice here i am super biased lol

[umbral cliff]

So you think the US is all good and there’s no issues then?

[velvet horizon]

My attention span is only as long as my power cord

[forest edge]

I think every country has it's issues, but those issues are generally not as big of thing that outsiders see and think they are

[umbral cliff]

Is hassbot pretending to be sonoma

[umbral cliff]

$50k medical bills definitely are a huge issue no matter what

[forest edge]

and arresting pregnant mothers isn't?

[umbral cliff]

A pregnant woman who was trying to incite a protest during the middle of a lockdown. The law doesn’t discriminate just because they’re pregnant

You would still arrest a pregnant woman if she murdered someone

[forest edge]

so turning the whole country into a police state is perfectly fine

gotcha

[umbral cliff]

It’s not turned into a police state though?

[forest edge]

and medial bills arent 50k?

[umbral cliff]

We had restrictions for a lockdown. Those restrictions are now gone

[umbral cliff]

How much does going to hospital for chemo cost (assuming no insurance)

[forest edge]

free?

if someone has an outrageous bill it's because something got screwed up and NOONE actually pays that

[umbral cliff]

This (and many other websites) say there’s between 10-200k for chemo (https://www.healthline.com/health/cancer/chemotherapy-cost)

[forest edge]

if you have no insurance and you go to a hopsital it's literally free

[umbral cliff]

Then why doesn’t anything say that

[forest edge]

infact they just tightened down the laws on medical bills this year to include no balance or surprise bills when seeing a doctor outside your normal insurance network

[forest edge]

? it does say that when you walk into a hospital

[umbral cliff]

But what about just not needing insurance to go to a doctor or hospital or anything

[umbral cliff]

Im talking websites or anything on the internet

What is this free healthcare system then

And why is insurance still important then

[forest edge]

this is exactly my point

[umbral cliff]

Surely if it’s free with no insurance just don’t get insurance

[forest edge]

you don't understand enough about our system to understand how it works so when you see someone say medical bill for 50k you act like we're somehow being screwed lol

like austrlian in a police state

[vernal shale]

hello i should help i found this video on youtube and it is this video https://youtu.be/cCCEi0Q0Mz4 but i don't know which program was used for it do you know

[forest edge]

arresting everyone for facebook posts

[umbral cliff]

So tell me why do people pay for health insurance in the USA if it’s free without it

Surely cheaper to just not pay for insurance

[forest edge]

many do just that

[umbral cliff]

Why not everyone

[forest edge]

then who would pay the doctors etc?

[umbral cliff]

The government

[forest edge]

our system isn't fully goverment funded

thats why there is insurance

but citizens are protected thus if you have no money you get care without cost

they eat those costs

[umbral cliff]

Everyone should get basic care without cost

Regardless of income

[forest edge]

and I should win the lotto

atx should get his nipples pierced

[umbral cliff]

Well that’s how many other countries work. USA could do it

[forest edge]

not every country does that lol

[umbral cliff]

I said many. Not every

[forest edge]

but then not every country is in a police state either

[glacial knot]

are you talking about general healthcare, or live threatening stuff?

[umbral cliff]

Basic things like seeing a doctor and also hospital visits

[glacial knot]

I meant Sonoma

[umbral cliff]

Dental & eye care should be free but… weird decisions for that

[umbral cliff]

Ah

[glacial knot]

because there's the big difference here for foreigners (since citizens are covered by insurances). General healthcare will be expensive and might be refused without pay. Anything serious will be done, and if the bill can't be paid, that's that

[umbral cliff]

No. But also you don’t seem to get we’re not a police state here either. You’re free to do whatever when not in a lockdown. A lockdown to save the healthcare system.

But also other countries, like those in Europe, have free healthcare too

[forest edge]

they refuse care if no pay there?

[glacial knot]

it's not free at all, it's socialized cost

depending on what you come with. Healthcare is a huge sector

[green inlet]

Free. 🤣

Nothing free

[umbral cliff]

Yes. I don’t mind paying a few % to cover it all

[glacial knot]

broken arm or stuff sure
A cough or some concerning spots on your skin? Get fucked

[forest edge]

lol

[green inlet]

That’s your choice. I prefer to pick what I pay and don’t pay for

[umbral cliff]

Don’t believe in the whole healthy country is a better country thing?

[forest edge]

why not just dump it all and go without paying pdo? lol

[green inlet]

You think free medical makes a country healthy?

[forest edge]

I don't think anything can refuse care when you can't pay.. not even the walmart eye center

[umbral cliff]

It definitely helps a lot. People don’t feel worried about getting an ambulance or going to a doctor

[green inlet]

I don’t feel worried about that either.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/gil-simpsons-fire-insurance-gif-13177497

[forest edge]

he has it in his head we're all being screwed by our healthcare system and a part of me agrees with him, but not for what he actually has in his head

like when we switched to specicalised doctors.. bs crap

[green inlet]

@umbral cliff , I have been to several different parts of the world. Your mistake is you are using your beliefs and imposing them on a place you have never been

[umbral cliff]

Doesn’t stop the Americans doing that to other countries though…

[green inlet]

As a whole? I would say no

Sure, individuals do

Sure you have individuals in your country that do the same on the US

The internet is a bad source for facts

[glacial knot]

from a quick google, sonoma doesn't know the difference between emergency rooms and healthcare in general /shrug

[forest edge]

this channel is packed with people imposing their beliefs on the US lol

[green inlet]

Yes, medical is not free in the US if you can’t pay

[forest edge]

a quick google search? I hope that search yielded you a certificate Dr

[glacial knot]

why would I look for that? Not even the right sector for that question 😂

[forest edge]

not free in the sense that no one has to pay, but free in the sense that even basic care can be free

[green inlet]

No

Not even close

[forest edge]

how not

[green inlet]

Cause it isn’t

[forest edge]

they do free medical and dental at the universities here all the time

[green inlet]

Here we go…..I ain’t getting started with you today

[forest edge]

lol you actually think they don't?

[green inlet]

Sure….college students practicing…I agree.

But when my health is at stake, I don’t want a college student taking care of me

[forest edge]

it's more than just college students. there are probono doctors and detentist eye specialist everywhere

[green inlet]

You once again made a blanket statement that health care is free in the US.

And it just isn’t

[forest edge]

I made a blanket statement that you can get care without paying

which is 100% true

[dusky plank]

what does this traceroute (specifically the !H) result mean?

  1   10.0.57.1  1,890ms  1,418ms  1,439ms
  2   10.0.57.1  1,644ms  1,334ms  1,439ms
  3   10.0.57.1  1,849ms !H  1,270ms !H  1,381ms !H

[forest edge]

not once did i say healthcare.. get your facts straight

[glacial knot]

@green inlet don't forget that sonoma is a troll

[green inlet]

Exactamundo….🤣. That’s why I said ✌🏻

[forest edge]

yet i am right, you go from saying there isn't free care to admiting there is

[glacial knot]

After the trip time, some additional annotation can be printed: !H, !N, or !P (host, network or protocol unreachable)
man pages are nice 😛

[forest edge]

you just add to the misinformation

no wonder the us gets picked on lol

[last cedar]

@clear ferry

1058 sek electric bill, including all fees, taxes and connection fee etc. 503kWh

Sorry

Used about 75 metric tonnes of pellets though 🤣

Actually

About a pallet, give or take

So 2300 sek in pellets

830kg of pellets

[static schooner]

A pallet of pellets?

[last cedar]

Yes

[glacial knot]

I assume you also heat water with that all year round?

[last cedar]

They come on pallets of 52 bags. Bags are 16kg

[last cedar]

I heat water with an electric heater in my water tank, when thr house doesn't need heating

As in, for tap water only

Same tank, but with no circulation pump running

[glacial knot]

they come in bags for you? I've seen the delivered like oil here. And blasted into a tank kinda reservoir

[last cedar]

Yeah, you can get bulk delivery too

I think 3 tonnes in the minimum, you need a lot of space to hold 3 tonnes of loose pellets

I normally buy 2 pallets at a time, it is almost time to do grab 2 pallets. Then another 1 or 2 for the rest of the winter

Next year will be substantially better with insulated walls and new windows

Expecting at least 1 pallet less used, perhaps more

Need to sort loft too, modern standard is more insulation. House is that old it is actually saw waste

Not even any sort of insulation material, just relies on the air bring trapped in that.

Need to find someone who can suck it out and blow in new stuff

Probaably a shitty job to do yourself

[clear ferry]

My fridge tablet @last cedar

[last cedar]

What does your fridge watch on its tablet?

[static schooner]

Netflix

[forest edge]

what no fancy 3d printed enclosure for that tablet?

[last cedar]

What programs though

Also, ouch at that power usage

[clear ferry]

It has a magnet

[glacial knot]

it's half of Norway's internet after all

[last cedar]

You probably already used as much as I did in December. This month

[glacial knot]

is it strong enough to stay there with the magnet?

[forest edge]

but it looks poor

[clear ferry]

And now I'm down from 120 a day @last cedar

[clear ferry]

I actually have to use two hands and might to get it off

[last cedar]

I wonder how many kWh a pallet of pellets is....

[glacial knot]

oh wow. Mine has magnets as well, I think to align on docks. But not strong enough to stay on a vertical plate

[clear ferry]

I bought it on ali

Both the tablet and magnet

[glacial knot]

ah, so it's not built into the tablet

[clear ferry]

Nope

[glacial knot]

are you running a custom rom?

[clear ferry]

Standard rom

[last cedar]

80kWh per bag means 4160kWh per pallet.

So that is compatable at least for pure electric cost.

So I really used about 4700kWh of energy in December

Give or take

I wonder if I should use weight sensors to measure pellets usage

Are there any accurate ones that can measure 250Kg each?

[glacial knot]

I still have the dumb idea to put weight sensors under the feet of my bed

[last cedar]

My silo holds about 600 or 700kg with the extra risers

[glacial knot]

how accurate does it have to be? but 250kg isn't really high

[last cedar]

I mean knowing to the nearest few kg is fine

1kg is 5kWh apparently, so being fairly accurate would be useful

I could count each pellet, that would be tedious though

[clear ferry]

250kgs?

One atx you say

[last cedar]

Yes

Silo has 4 legs

So would need a 250kg weigh scale on each leg

200 should work too

I should probably just fill the silo and count the bags on the last day of each month

Each bag is 16kg, no measuring or such involved

If I fill it with 400kg it has used 400kg

[glacial knot]

but, muh shiny (realtime) graphs

[last cedar]

For me it is enough to know how many kg in a given month

I mean, just knowing how many kWh have gone into heating is fine, kinda hard to measure with tap water, but could use a clamp meter on that breaker

[glacial knot]

yea, my dumb idea was to weigh me that way. And track how much I move around at night

[forest edge]

get a fitbit

[clever mortar]

Or any other brand, sleep tracking is pretty standard - though you'll want one with a heart sensor for more data

[green inlet]

I always wanted a bed sensor. My mind tells me it is more a want than an actual need and online posts seem to lean towards them not working so well. Especially with our habit of laying in the bed to watch tv over sitting in the family room. Master on main corrupted us for life

[forest edge]

ohh chromium os works pretty well on an rpi now

still no hwaccel tho 😢

[clear ferry]

I nivver get ony fun roond here!

[clear ferry]

Your sensor would just say wobble wobble 18 hours a day

https://tenor.com/view/the-love-boat-gif-11562762

[forest edge]

go 3d print and enclosure for that sad looking tablet on your fridge

[clear ferry]

When I bother fixing the printer

So mid February

[green inlet]

Wobble wobble 🤣. Just what do you think of me Mr 🤣

[forest edge]

finally killed it with all those dildo prints huh

[dusky plank]

👉👌

[green inlet]

But I would hope the sound is better than wobble wobble 😊

[forest edge]

Reeses popcorn is actually pretty good

[dusky plank]

Spell the Race Car backwards

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/82Ru-iRvLMQ

kind of like to know what kind of mowers the swed's use to come up with that study that an hour long ran mower creates as much emissions as a car does after 100 miles

[clear ferry]

I think you're a swell guy with a long musician career ahead of you, and your love life is healthy and you have no prostate or erection issues

[dusky plank]

ok enough discord for today

[clear ferry]

[green inlet]

🤣🤣🤣

[forest edge]

how do you know he dosen't have erection issues? not sure he would even know considering he knows little about healthcare lol

[clear ferry]

I'm pretty sure, can hear his wife across the pond

[forest edge]

we hear stuff too but pretty sure it's just sheep, you might be hearing the same

[clear ferry]

Don't bring the Irish into this

[orchid rose]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010529234907.htm

Westerholm found that the worst case of lawn mower PAH emissions totaled more than 4,000 micrograms per hour using unleaded fuel without a catalytic converter. Average emissions dropped to nearly 800 micrograms over the same time period with the addition of a catalytic converter, he said.

[clear ferry]

I've used electric mower for 10 years

[forest edge]

study was from 2001?

[clear ferry]

But my snowblower is petrol

[forest edge]

still curious what push mowers they used to test that

I mean not saying it can't be true.. just sounds not right

[clever mortar]

Can't say I've ever used a mower with an internal combustion engine. Current mower is cordless too

[forest edge]

ever?

[clever mortar]

Ever

[forest edge]

i dunno batteries haven't been good enough for that till more recently

[static schooner]

I used to think electric lawnmowers were just toys

[clever mortar]

IC mowers are pretty atypical in the UK

[forest edge]

but some companies did make eletric mowers here like back in the 60's or 70's or something

but they never took off cause battery life sucked ass

[clever mortar]

Power cords work fine for most normal UK gardens, and battery powered ones work really well these days

[clear ferry]

I can mow my entire property with a single battery with my 10yo mower and battery

[finite atlas]

we use an electric lawn mower, its just plug and play, the cable gets in the way some times but thats alright

[forest edge]

I mean it's shoebox size sooo..

[clear ferry]

Yes, only 850m2 roughly

[forest edge]

but then I guess that's normal for that side of the pond

our yards are way too big for that

[orchid rose]

I didn't watch the video. Just copy-pasted your sentence to google and found this one

[clever mortar]

Wife loved it when we moved to cordless, even though she swore at me over the cost of it

[clear ferry]

If my 10yo tech can do this, imagine what modern stuff can do

[forest edge]

not saying modren can't.. they do

was talking about before

[finite atlas]

cordless would be awesome, agreed
but most of the time, stuff you buy wants to break down, so we avoid expensive tools

[clear ferry]

I would probably say 30%+ of Norwegian lawns have mower robots now

[forest edge]

not sure if math is right but our general plots are around 1011m2

[clear ferry]

My parents plot is 3200m2

[forest edge]

10890sqft

[clear ferry]

In a big city

[forest edge]

and they mowed with battery for 10 years?

[static schooner]

20

[clear ferry]

My father has been using battery for at least a decade yes

Not all of that is grass

[forest edge]

how? swappable batteries?

[clever mortar]

Plus, you know, wires exist

[clear ferry]

Most have swappable yes

[forest edge]

lol corded mowers is a death threat

[clever mortar]

Suuuuure

[clear ferry]

Only in the land of 110

[clever mortar]

If you're an idiot, maybe

Aka what ATX said

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/chevy-chase-christmas-vacation-christmas-lights-movie-cables-gif-8711592

[clever mortar]

It's not exactly hard to avoid electrocuting yourself

[finite atlas]

why? we have ours since at least 10 years and only mowed it once

[forest edge]

theres noway corded would have ever lasted in the US.. people already hate corded hedgers

[forest edge]

once cause you ran over the cord?

[finite atlas]

yeah

[forest edge]

lol

thats what i'm talking about

f that

corded eletric snow throwers are a pain.. corded anything for garden tools just plainly sucks

[finite atlas]

agreed

[pure vine]

Carabina clips are really useful for keeping the cords away

[finite atlas]

but its cheaper than both gasoline and cordless

and needs less maintenance and repair

[forest edge]

true

but to deal with it... mehhh.. i think the extra cost is justified hehe

[finite atlas]

not for us, so we stick to it

[pure vine]

Hmm, combine it with some pullies and weights you could keep it tentioned

[forest edge]

if my lawn was the size of a kiddie pool then I could see it.. but there's every bit of close to 300ft to the property edge on all 4 sides of my house.. not spanning a cord across that lol

[pure vine]

Google's conversion

[finite atlas]

if i were to decide it, i would just not mown the lawn tbh

[clever mortar]

About 100 meters, which is nothing really

[pure vine]

Ah yeah, that's quite a bit

Eh, I don't actually think the cord on my lawn mower is 100m

It's like 50m at most

[clear ferry]

Murica Midwest problems

[forest edge]

get back in your shoebox!

[glacial knot]

extensions are cheap

[pure vine]

Yeah, but that makes managing the cord a bit more of a problem

[static schooner]

Corded mowers just seem to be asking to cut the cord or wrap it around the axel

[pure vine]

Flymo

They kind of hover so don't have an axel

[glacial knot]

never had issues with that. But we also used a bright orange cord to make sure it's esy to spot

[clever mortar]

Yup, they're generally bright orange/red to make them easy to spot against the grass

[clear ferry]

I've also only cut my cord once with a mower in 30+ years

[pure vine]

But also if they do have wheels they are inset into the body

[static schooner]

10, 20, 30 years. Eventually you're going to end up before you were born.

[clear ferry]

Think I've seen two petrol mowers in my life come think of it

[static schooner]

It's a big fish story

[clear ferry]

Hey, I had to cut grass to earn money as a kid

[forest edge]

well he is a norwat

[pure vine]

The only petrol lawn mower I have seen is in the middle of Wales with a large amount of land to cut

[forest edge]

the yard i mow at my farm is a full acre.. no way in hell would i even entertain the idea of using corded or battery for that

[clever mortar]

I have a friend who has one, and has even by UK standards a tiny garden. They have it only for the ego boost, and it's broken more often than it runs...

[clear ferry]

[clever mortar]

https://www.thegreenreaper.co.uk/weibang-ion-76-sd-side-discharge-mulching-battery-ride-on-lawn-mower 😉

[glacial knot]

yes, clearly fun when your mower is louder than your car

[forest edge]

I love when people can't fix small engines

get mowers for free

[forest edge]

whats the cutting width on that? with a 38" it took me 4 hours to mow till i bought a 60" monster lol

[pure vine]

Width of Cut 76cm(30")

[forest edge]

omg 30 inches

noway friggin way

would take all day and that assumed the battery would even last

[clever mortar]

Oddly they do other models, but I know you want to keep sucking your petrol fumes

[forest edge]

I like my gas mowers.. sorry for choking the rest of the world out lol

I even looked at remote mowers but they don't make one big enough that is eletric.. they were all gas powered

and costs an arm and leg

[clear ferry]

Sonoma's property is half of Missouri

[forest edge]

lol crocidile dundee.. walk across my land in 3 days

that would be nice to own that much land here

[pure vine]

Doesn't aging wheels have a electric mower

[orchid rose]

the petrol fumes explain a lot I reckon

[forest edge]

just get a bigger mower, less runtime = fewer fumes

[pure vine]

what's happening in there
Matter specification
May I see it
... No

[forest edge]

20 bucks for 5 120mm case fans is not a bad deal

[orchid rose]

quality over quantity

[forest edge]

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-F12-Performance-Noise-Value/dp/B07PFBPHL6

always like reading the questions. can clearly see people don't even look at the page at all

[orchid rose]

Some Yate Loon fans used to be the shit when silentpcreview was still a thing. Those were like 5€ each and great value so it's possible to get decent ones in that price range

[green inlet]

That’s probably her yelling at me for not doing the dishes 🤣. No way I am that much of a god 😉

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[subtle pasture]

Eh, those aren't even PWM fans. Speed control could be problematic with those...

[forest edge]

it's 20 bucks for 5 fans

what do you want? lol

[subtle pasture]

I've run into several motherboards that can't speed control old 3-pin fans (or can only control them on one or two headers, but not all of them)

I want to be able to run them at more than one speed. lol

[forest edge]

well there are ways of doing that..

but there was a 3 pack of rgb ones that were pwm for about the same price

should be at the top of the pagew

[subtle pasture]

I usually go for Arctic F12's if I'm looking for a cheap 5-pack:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096JXXKP5

PWM, and each fan has a built in splitter so you can daisy chain them

I'm mostly running Phanteks 140mm fans now. Expensive, but I'd compare their build quality favorably to Noctua.

Of course, they better be good for $17 per fan...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OP2PUDQ

[forest edge]

my old ass pc dosen't have additional fan headers so

[subtle pasture]

That's why those Arctic fans are handy 😛

Any Arctic fan marked as a "PST" edition has this connector, allowing you to daisy chain several of them, with PWM speed control.

[orchid rose]

I was quite annoyed to find out that the Phanteks fans that came with my case didn't have those. Three front pwm fans taking three fan headers on the mobo

[subtle pasture]

Heh, usually cases with that many fans come with a fan hub

My new motherboard actually has enough fan headers for all of my fans. I need to swap the splitters I was using previously with extension cables...

[forest edge]

that would assume your cooler fan had an extension to be able to daisy chain to begin with

I wouldn't put that on the end of a chain

[subtle pasture]

Do you only have one header?

Could just replace both fans 🤷‍♀️

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yea it's a dell mb

[subtle pasture]

Oof

[forest edge]

exactly

[orchid rose]

the fan controller on my case doesn't allow software control so I'd rather skip it

[forest edge]

I think i have fan control with the dell but honestly I don't really need it

I would just leave the fans running on high

[subtle pasture]

Time to install a Corsair Commander and be done with it...

Then you have consistent fan control, no matter what motherboard you have

Plugs into an internal USB header so you can program it

[orchid rose]

I installed this one it looks pretty neat https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

[forest edge]

lol look like an ha page

[orchid rose]

allowed me to do some more advanced stuff like have the PSU fan be controlled by both the CPU or GPU temp

[subtle pasture]

Ah yeah, I run that too

It replaced SpeedFan for me

[orchid rose]

I used to run speedfan too but this seems a lot better

[subtle pasture]

It's a lot easier to configure, that's for sure

I have it configured so my rear exhaust fan is controlled by CPU temp, my side panel exhaust fan is controlled by GPU temp, and my front intake fans are controlled by both.

[orchid rose]

Yeah it's pretty nice that way. I still need to buy some splitters since I ran out of the mobo headers

[subtle pasture]

Side panel fan for the win. It really helps keep GPU temps down (and prevents GPU temp from impacting CPU temp)

I wish more cases still had one...

[forest edge]

as in blowing onto the gpu?

you doing positive or negative pressure for the case?

[subtle pasture]

No, the side panel fan is an exhaust fan

Positive pressure case

2x 140mm intake + 2x 140mm exhaust. It would be equal, but I have the intake fans on a steeper ramp than the exhaust fans.

[orchid rose]

I'm going to try to go with no exhaust fans but we'll see how it works. It's not a super power hungry system so it'll probably be fine

[subtle pasture]

The GPU exhausts most of its heat sideways, into the side panel, so having a fan there makes sense

[forest edge]

punch holes into the top

[orchid rose]

There are holes on the top

[forest edge]

my new pc has the radiator on the top and I love it, top exhaust seems to work so much better than out the back

[orchid rose]

I'd love to have the PSU passive most of the time as well but I don't think I have the balls to try it. Those heatsinks don't exactly look huge

[subtle pasture]

Running with no exhaust fans works, but it's generally less efficient than having some exhaust going on

[forest edge]

positive pressure with an exit works pretty well

altho the dust.

[orchid rose]

Currently the PSU fan is the only moving part at idle

[subtle pasture]

I must be doing something right, because the inside of my case basically stays dust free

[forest edge]

got filters?

they help alot

[subtle pasture]

The fan filters are doing some work, yeah

Bought some Silverstone fine mesh filters for the intakes

[forest edge]

mine has magnetic ones that cover the whole opening and they work wonders

[subtle pasture]

Yup, magnetic here too

[forest edge]

still get some dust over time but nothing like not having any filters

[orchid rose]

Phanteks claims that the mesh panel should take care of dust but we'll see about that

[subtle pasture]

It helps, but it's not really a filter

[orchid rose]

yeah I'm not that confident about it

[subtle pasture]

The other issue with exterior mesh is that it collects dust and hair, which doesn't look f great when it's the entire front of the case

[orchid rose]

"The Phanteks Eclipse P400A breathes performance with its full metal mesh front panel. Thanks to engineering improvements we have been able to create an Ultra-Fine Performance Mesh that brings the best possible performance while keeping dust from entering the system."

[subtle pasture]

An interior filter behind a panel is less unsightly

[forest edge]

better out than in

[orchid rose]

I was really surprised how well the filter had worked when I opened up the power supply. I last opened it 10 years ago iirc

[subtle pasture]

I'm thinking I might finally upgrade my case from a (modified) Fractal Design R3 to a BeQuiet Dark Base 900 Pro
https://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/be_quiet_dark_base_pro_900/

Dual side panel fans on the non-windowed version 👀

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wtf is that thing on the top

[subtle pasture]

A Qi charger. lol

[forest edge]

looks kind of like my lian li case

[subtle pasture]

They have a variant without that

[forest edge]

lol was ony a matter of time before someone put a wireless phone charge on a case

[subtle pasture]

Ah, the glass side panel and Qi charger are exclusive to the "Pro" version. Here's the non-pro: https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/704

Weird that the side panel fans are so near the front of the case... should be near the back, IMHO

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should look at the lian li cases, mine is very close to looking like that

[subtle pasture]

But, it's one of the last modern cases with 5.25" bays, side panel fans, and a case door, so...

Which Lian Li you running? I used to swear by their cases

My first homebrew PC was built in a Lian-Li PC 65B

Which actually has a (gasp!) removable motherboard tray that you could slide out the back of the case

Another feature you don't see anymore

[forest edge]

it's one of the 205's

it dosen't look like the 205 on thier site, assuming thats an upgraded model

wow wait yea

[subtle pasture]

I was gonna say, the Lancool 205 doesn't even have 5.25" bays

[forest edge]

it looks like that white one but i got it black

oh yea, no drives

what do you need a 5.25" for? dvds are dead

[subtle pasture]

I really don't understand why case manufacturers don't just throw a couple 5.25" bays in the bottom

There's plenty of room in the basement, in front of the PSU

[forest edge]

I just network a drive if i need it

plus if i really needed a burner I have an old external usb one in a drawer lol

[subtle pasture]

I occasionally rip a BluRay to my Plex server, so I have a BluRay drive in one 5.25" bay.
The other bay contains a 3.5" hot-swap bay for my backup disk.

[forest edge]

ah

[subtle pasture]

I'd rather not shrink the case just so I can have the privilege of having a bunch of USB devices hanging off of it instead...

[forest edge]

lol second pc and network the drives

[subtle pasture]

That said, these new smaller cases HAVE the room for two 5.25" bays in the bottom

Manufacturers just aren't bothering

[forest edge]

i wouldn't network ripping blurays tho, that could be alittle slow

noone wants them anymore thats why

[subtle pasture]

I'm probably going to wind up modding a Fractal Design Define C or something

[forest edge]

on my old dell I put 3 additional drives in the slots for my two 5.25 and an ssd into the 3.5 bay

and all my dvd/cd bruners etc are all sitting in a pile lol

[subtle pasture]

Define C with the rear panel removed. The dual 3.5" drive cage slides out:

Plenty of room for two 5.25" drives down there

fires up the laser cutter to make a nice clean hole in the front panel

[forest edge]

that case you linked before had 2 of those 5.25 bays

just get that

[subtle pasture]

It did, which is why I was considering it 😛

[forest edge]

atleast it has a door to close to hide them

[subtle pasture]

But it's huge (its bigger than my current Fractal Design R3)

[forest edge]

lol get an old dell mini tower case

i actually like the looks of my old 435mt case

it's tiny as hell

[subtle pasture]

I don't mind doing some light modding 😛

3D printing a bracket and cutting a square hole? Easy.

I do wish Fractal had kept the front door on the Define C (all the other Define cases have a front door)

That'd make it even easier

[forest edge]

wonder how that would effect airflow

[subtle pasture]

Which part?

[forest edge]

cutting a hole lol

[subtle pasture]

I mean, it's immediately going to be filled by drive facia, so...

[forest edge]

but it's not a solid surface

[subtle pasture]

And the default configuration for that case is to have an empty 140mm fan hole there

[forest edge]

can't imagine it being detrimental just curious what the actual effect would be

oh if there is mesh there

then yea

[subtle pasture]

The basement has a trap door you can remove if you want to install fans, or a radiator, in the front of the case

[forest edge]

lol just dry mount the drive inside and open the panel when you need to access it lmao

[subtle pasture]

hah

Eject into the trap door hole?

[forest edge]

only insert one screw in the bottom so it can swivel outward

[subtle pasture]

I'd also thought about cramming a slimline BluRay drive in the front panel

Like a slot loader

Cut a slit up the side for it

[orchid rose]

5.25" and 3.5" bays, am I time travelling here 😉

[forest edge]

https://www.newegg.com/pioneer-model-bdr-xd07b-blu-ray-burner/p/N82E16827129096?Description=slim bluray drive&cm_re=slim_bluray drive-_-27-129-096-_-Product

[subtle pasture]

Just insane to me that nobody (literally nobody) has released a case that allows you to throw 5.25" bay devices down there

[forest edge]

that would not look bad sitting on top

you should see the brick i have

[subtle pasture]

@orchid rose external 5.25" bays are honestly a lot more useful than external 3.5" bays

[forest edge]

my old ass regular cd external drive is mnassive lol

[orchid rose]

I had a fan controller in my 5.25" bay in the old case but since it was behind a door I never used it

[forest edge]

lol

my dell has slider shutters that cover each bay and since they were always closed I always forgot i even had cd drives

https://i.dell.com/das/xa.ashx/global-site-design WEB/750e8072-9287-c43b-6487-72e1199255f2/1/OriginalPng?id=Dell/Product_Images/Dell_Client_Products/Desktops/Studio_Desktops/Studio_XPS_435MT/hero/desktop-vostro-435mt-510x350.png

irony is the airflow was perfectly designed

[subtle pasture]

Fun fact: rackmount servers and 5.25" drive bays draw their dimensions from the same specs

a 1U server is exactly tall enough for a 5.25" drive bay (or three of them side-by-side)

Also, a single 5.25" drive bay as we'd call it today, is technically "half height"

[forest edge]

I could see people mounting 3 cd drives next to each other in a rack

[subtle pasture]

Two 5.25" drive bays (stacked vertically) was the original standard, and font-panel boxes for 2U servers are stull full-height 5.25" devices

[forest edge]

but these days people don't want that stuff

[subtle pasture]

Just saying that's why 5.25" gear is still around in any capacity

it's heavily used in servers. Everything is built to that spec...

[forest edge]

hell I wouldn't be shocked if games bought in store didn't come with a guide and link for digital dl instead of including a disc

[orchid rose]

Looking at that picture, what airflow 😏

[forest edge]

you'd think that

there is a mesh slot on the side as well

downside no room for any decent size fans except the only one the back

[subtle pasture]

What's really odd to me is, a lot of super low-end cases have retained multiple 5.25" bays

Like, the cheap "careful or you'll cut your hand open on raw steel" cases all still have them

[forest edge]

well those generally get used for like tv media etc

so it makes sense for them to have them

[subtle pasture]

I was thinking of cases like the Corsair Carbide 200R