the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

But I still think we have a better fuel economy then 9.3

Since most cars the last 20 years are 6.0 or lower

[forest edge]

lol you guys and your bloated fictitious numbers

must be great to just bs your way to feeling like you make good stuff

[umbral cliff]

just because you can’t understand maths

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

you mean your remake of it 2+2=eu great?

[umbral cliff]

You understand that the EU will calculate in L/100km, which is then converted to the USA MPG

[forest edge]

all while completely skipping over how diffrent the tests were conducted lol

[clear ferry]

Gøvernmænt cånsperisi @umbral cliff

Don't you see

@forest edge got them

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/slice-execute-admiral-leader-admiral-general-aladeen-gif-21000868

[umbral cliff]

Then why doesn’t the US Government test cars themselves

They trust european manufacturer testing

[forest edge]

we do, you didn't like the results when your cars were tested by the same standards lol

[umbral cliff]

what standards? You still never provided any actual data to atx’s a6, instead just making up 29

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

making up? you incapable of using the interwebs?

[umbral cliff]

Can you link it, my data is all australian which im sure you think is fake too

Anyway im out, my brain can only take enough in one week

[forest edge]

lol i am not holding your hand

[proven spruce]

but its only tuesday

[forest edge]

he can't handle being au while defending eu against the us

[clear ferry]

If you ask Sonoma it is surely Friday

[forest edge]

i wish

[glacial knot]

After assuming the difference in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles#Differences_in_testing_standards the US average is still worse than every single EU country /shrug

[forest edge]

according to that chart we are not the worst

apple to apple

now if you wanna fault us for owning more suv's while other countries own more 3 wheel 2 cyclinders then sure

be like another country who can only have bicycles blaming the rest of the world for having bad mpg

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[glacial knot]

no, I make fun of you for thinking you can call random Norwegian cars low mpg with how much worse the average efficiency is in your country

[forest edge]

well that was a joke to atx trying to push his 65mpg(eu) 39mpg(us) 4 banger deiseal and trying to compare it to petro cars

and how eu inflates thier numbers lol

[clear ferry]

Pure petrol cars, what is this, 2015?

[forest edge]

you realize diesel was around before gas right?

[clear ferry]

Apparently we will stop selling any fossile fuel cars in 2025

I'm expecting more like 2027

[forest edge]

well good.. about time you guys did more healthy means of travel

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-bike-bicycle-gif-20419552

[umbral cliff]

Again it’s not EU it’s UK. Rest of the world has moved on from fossil fuels

Whoops imperial

Same shit too

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-tea-sassy-teacup-posh-gif-3535629

Real gif of @last cedar

[forest edge]

what do you think diesel is?

[umbral cliff]

Yeah it was a mistaken word, i meant imperial

But diesel is being going away too

[forest edge]

not as soon as you would like

[umbral cliff]

Pretty sure it’ll be gone by 2040/2050

Or at least in passenger vehicles

Or highly taxed

[clear ferry]

I'm guessing 2050ish the last cars will be scrapped by

For passenger vehicles at least

[forest edge]

there will always be gas cars on the roads

nothing will change that

[umbral cliff]

Not in main usage

People will swap

Just like leaded petrol has gone

[forest edge]

leaded went away foir entirly diffrent reasons lol

[umbral cliff]

Because it’s damaging to life and the environment

Sounds like fossil fuels

[clear ferry]

EVs will dominate the developed countries in less than 5 years

Us not included

[forest edge]

I have no doubt they will dominate the smaller countries

I mean they kind of already do around china etc

[umbral cliff]

China isn’t small

[forest edge]

yea but they are kind of packed

if you know what i mean

[umbral cliff]

So what would stop suburban USA going electric

They’re dense

[forest edge]

north korea won't be going ev lol

[clear ferry]

Just wait for the boomers to die out over there @forest edge

I'm looking at you

[umbral cliff]

About the only major developed nations would be australia and Canada due to the very low population densities

[forest edge]

our taste in vehicles.. we don't like feeling like we are driving a shoe box

[umbral cliff]

But can see australia going once EV distances catch up

[umbral cliff]

EVs have more grunt than petrol by far

[forest edge]

au will always have petro vehicles

there is noway they can't have them

[umbral cliff]

Why not

[forest edge]

we also on average drive a whole lot further than most other countries if not all other countries

[clear ferry]

Good thing the modern EVs have a range of 485miles then

[forest edge]

thats' nothing

[clear ferry]

And can charge 80% in 20 minutes

[forest edge]

that will land you in the middle of nowhere without a means of recharging lol

and that is why au will always have petro cars

[umbral cliff]

Yeah 485 is low, my petrol car from 20 years ago can do 900km on a single tank of freeway

[forest edge]

cause they won't be able to put charging station everywhere

[umbral cliff]

Until we phase it out for majority of the population.

Since majority of the population lives in cities

[clear ferry]

That is 780km in an ev@umbral cliff

[umbral cliff]

Who don’t need to drive long distances

[forest edge]

your cities etc.. yes they will most likely be mostly ev

[clear ferry]

Which is reasonable

[forest edge]

but everywhere else won't be

and that will never change

[umbral cliff]

So 99% of the population

[forest edge]

99% huh? alittle bloated don't you think? lol

but hey if you believe it's 99% then it's win/win right

course unless they can invent a more recyclable battery your ev dreams will only end up with you all drowning in bad batteries lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/start-nuclear-reactor-gif-8399819

[umbral cliff]

We have a population of 26 million. 5 mil in Melbourne, 5.3 mil in Sydney, 2.5 in Brisbane, 2 in Perth, 1.3 in Adelaide, so that’s already 16 million ignoring the smaller cities & towns which could support EVs too

Maybe not 99% but damn close

[clear ferry]

Close by Sonoma math at least

[umbral cliff]

Batteries can be recycled up to about 80-90% if infrastructure is in place. Most countries don’t have said infrastructure

[forest edge]

so admit it.. you inflated your numbers... gee that sounds familiar lmao

[umbral cliff]

86% apparently. Not too far off

Ignoring a lot of smaller towns could still support EVs

And for long distance diesel is used due to the efficiency

[glacial knot]

.s/diesel/biofuels/

[forest edge]

look everyone is on board with us not burning to death once we step outside in the future but there is just a reality of things alot of wishful thinkers just refuse to take into account lol

[glacial knot]

iCE will stay. Diesel probably not outside Vintage and special purpose

[umbral cliff]

But if we get 85% of the population onto EV that cuts a lot of emissions

Then add proper interstate public transport that’s fast and you cull planes too

[forest edge]

are you under 30 or above it @umbral cliff

[clear ferry]

Underwater railroad from Melbourne to Tokyo

I like it

[umbral cliff]

Why does that matter

[forest edge]

curious

[glacial knot]

Because old people are stubborn

[umbral cliff]

Sonoma what are you

[forest edge]

can't anwer? pretty broad question

[clear ferry]

Sonoma is somewhere between 30 and 60, I'm guessing 54

[umbral cliff]

Broad question? Being under or over 30?

Interesting

[forest edge]

i'm going to assume your under by the way of your reaction lol

[umbral cliff]

You’re refusing to answer too

[forest edge]

my age is irrelevant to the point I am about to make

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-alert-speaker-alarm-gif-15124610

[forest edge]

which is when you do reach your older years I bet you will still be fighting for an ev world

[umbral cliff]

Even though I don’t care about your point I bet you’ll still share it

[umbral cliff]

Given EVs have jumped in ownership I doubt that

Doubt we can get rid of iCE but hydrogen & EV are a good combo

[forest edge]

yea well alot of things people have doubted over the years didn't take root

[glacial knot]

Like the internet 😄

[clear ferry]

Damn internet is just a fad @umbral cliff , it'll pass

[umbral cliff]

Like people not wanting to swap from leaded petrol because they didn’t trust engines would work well

[glacial knot]

Ha, I was faster. Hide in shame

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

In another 5 years when there’s established processes for used EVs they’ll get another push. Since right now EV leasing and used market is a bit scuffed

[forest edge]

don't recall there being a protest against doing away with leaded gas

was that a thing in au?

[glacial knot]

The same kinda that we see now with EVs
People worried about reliability and didn’t like change. Wanted to wait and see first.
Also didn’t have the hen/egg Problem as entirely new incompatible infrastructure

[umbral cliff]

People never like change

Just ask my grandma who still uses cheque 😂

[glacial knot]

Ducking cheque. Only scams

[forest edge]

there is no sign of battery being reliable so you cannot blame them

aside from your tv remote most battery operated stuff is junk lol

[glacial knot]

#the-water-cooler message

TV remotes are part of the worse category imo

[forest edge]

shit like battery powered cameras that have to be recharged every other day isn't a boomer invention tho..

[glacial knot]

Batter tech is pretty good by now
Only question is price development and replacement parts for electronics. Which will be established in a couple years
Thanks to Atx’a people 🙂

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean? Cheques aren’t scams

[glacial knot]

The only use for them is Scams in a modern civilized world

[forest edge]

making a replacement part cheaper dosen't excuse away the need for having to replace it more often

[umbral cliff]

Nah also for getting money from a Christmas present

[glacial knot]

As in, my mums employer used to prefer Cheques for making sure they can hold onto the money longer and collect interest without violating payment targets

[umbral cliff]

Ahh yeah that’s not great

[glacial knot]

That’s called cold hard cash

[umbral cliff]

Imagine carrying cash

Card only

So easier to use cheque for that stuff

[forest edge]

check.. cheque was confusing me lol

[glacial knot]

And the. Walk to your bank to get it into your account?
Or do you do that online these days?

[umbral cliff]

Post office can do it for me

Or atm

[glacial knot]

Ah, the same places I can get cash digitalised again

[glacial knot]

I always do. Almost never over 200€ though

[umbral cliff]

It’s rare for me to have anything more than $20 on me

No need anymore

Even market stalls have card support

[glacial knot]

I almost exclusively use it for restaurants
And shops that kinda don’t exist

[umbral cliff]

I just don’t go to places that don’t have card. Haven’t gone to a single place like that in years

Especially since I just tap my card if I want to pay. So easy

Card $200 before pin, Apple Pay $99,999

[glacial knot]

I think mine is set to 20€ before pin
Layer1 attacks are too easy for my taste

Also, always pin on first payment at specific place

[forest edge]

not trusting technology?

boomer

[umbral cliff]

Eh my transactions are always protected. If I lose my debit card im protected on every fake transaction done as long as I contact my bank asap

And given I can freeze my card in the app, no stress on that

[glacial knot]

Nah. I’ve done that kinda attack before as student
In a lab Situation, but that’s for legal reasons

[forest edge]

and yet you call others out when they feel the same about diffrent technology

go figure..

[glacial knot]

It’s not about loss. You won’t notice a successful layer 1 attack unless you scan your transaction log

[umbral cliff]

App sends me a notification on every transaction

[glacial knot]

That helps. How easy is it to backcharge?

[umbral cliff]

Very easy. It’s visa

[glacial knot]

Chargeback, whatever

[umbral cliff]

Tell them and 3 months max I have my money back

[glacial knot]

CC 🤢

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze getting cold wet rain right now.. why don't you and your neighbors step outside and inhale to pull it your direction lol

[umbral cliff]

No debit card?

Don’t have a proper income for a CC atm

[glacial knot]

Oh right, you split the concepts =.=

[umbral cliff]

Visa can do our debit or credit cards

[forest edge]

wtf is proper income for credit?

[umbral cliff]

Minimum income for a credit card. Because banks don’t throw credit at everyone

[forest edge]

your refering to allowance aren't you?

[umbral cliff]

Because you don’t need it

I don’t yet have an income atm. Work doesn’t start till jan

[forest edge]

I got my first credit card at 16

[umbral cliff]

So right now living off savings

Ew

Imagine having debt that young

[forest edge]

debt?

[glacial knot]

Imagine having actual debt on a CC

[forest edge]

no, no debt.. imagine building credit since that long

[umbral cliff]

Imagine requiring a CC to do anything later in life

[glacial knot]

They are fucking high interest

[umbral cliff]

I have a great credit score and I’ve never had a credit based product

[glacial knot]

Imagine having to build credit

[umbral cliff]

Because forcing people to have credit cards isn’t a good thing

[forest edge]

imagine having so much credit you can do anything later in life is what I think you mean

[umbral cliff]

With a 60k a year income you can get a 15-20k limit credit card after having nothing before. That’s a decent line

[glacial knot]

Using a CC for anything more than a month is a dumb idea either way
You’ll get way better conditions from the Same bank on a normal loan

[forest edge]

I mean.. you can have a 15-20k limit at much less than 60k a year.. 60k a year is kind of low on that noite as well

[umbral cliff]

I’m just spitballing. 15k is the minimum line they’ll give on the mid tier credit cards

[forest edge]

I get cash back using mine.. free money is never dumb

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I plan to get a credit card to share with my partner when we’re living together for groceries (because otherwise our incomes get combined and it’s not currently parity enough, only been dating a year)

I plan to get a points earning one. Can make free flights from my spending

[forest edge]

this explains alot

[umbral cliff]

Explains what?

[forest edge]

you guys are so young

[glacial knot]

Do you have a decent one with miles that’s worth it in your income bracket?
Most I’ve seen I’d have to run rent and leasing over the card to break even on the holding fees

[umbral cliff]

Can get one with $145 annual fee, easily spend more than 5k over a year to cover that

Otherwise would just get a no annual fee one

[forest edge]

lol annual fee

[umbral cliff]

But I want more points

[umbral cliff]

You say that like the USA doesn’t have annual fees for cards. Which is wrong

There are definitely cards with annual fees

[forest edge]

there are no fee's once your credit rating is high enough

[umbral cliff]

Here you’re paying the annual fee to cover the benefits of the card. Still usually a good deal

Or you can ring up and ask nicely and get it waived

[forest edge]

people with bad credit, people who never "built up thier credit" get fee'd

[umbral cliff]

@forest edge how often do you encounter a card machine with no payWave

[forest edge]

atm's here are probably diffrent than what you have

[glacial knot]

payWave?

[umbral cliff]

Contactless/ tap and pay

[glacial knot]

Ahh

[forest edge]

I don't ever use the atm tho, but it's free for me to use in most scenarios

[glacial knot]

Is that your brand provider for that service? Never heard that name

[umbral cliff]

Not talking about atms

[forest edge]

then i don't know what you mean by paywave

[umbral cliff]

It’s visas brand name, which because they arrived earlier than MasterCard for that just sort of stuck

[umbral cliff]

Tap your card at the terminal in store to pay

[forest edge]

oh no.. there is no charge for that

[umbral cliff]

But it’s it available to use in every store

[forest edge]

the stores pay for whatever fee's that may be associated to that

[umbral cliff]

Yeah we don’t pay fees for it but also every store has contactless

[glacial knot]

I need to check what they call it here. Though I assume it’s some EC thing

[forest edge]

there is no diffrence between swiping and the chip on the card in terms of fee's or whatever

[umbral cliff]

That isn’t my question. You are not reading. Is it available to use in every store. Or do you have to insert in a lot of stores

(Also imagine swiping, ew)

[forest edge]

i would imagine by now it's every single store

don't really pay attention

I don't use it

[umbral cliff]

Why not use it?

[forest edge]

use to swipping

[umbral cliff]

It’s so convenient

[glacial knot]

Magnet strip 😄

[umbral cliff]

Ah so you and change 😂

[umbral cliff]

Mines deactivated lol

[forest edge]

well I insert my card which uses the chip lol

[umbral cliff]

Pin too?

[forest edge]

no pin

[glacial knot]

AFAIK mine doesn’t store anything but data how to get it back when lost

[umbral cliff]

🤮

[forest edge]

don't need a pin

[umbral cliff]

So I can take your card, insert it, then forge your signature

[forest edge]

I think I can set one

i just haven't

[umbral cliff]

For a transaction a lot larger than $200

[glacial knot]

Says the one with high limits on layer 1 vulnerabilities

[umbral cliff]

$200 isn’t that large

Better than unlimited

[glacial knot]

That yes

[forest edge]

again, once your credit is high enough worry about shit like that becomes mute

[umbral cliff]

What if I used your entire credit limit

[forest edge]

I am 100% covered for any fraud and that dosen't even take into account my bank instantly pings my phone asking if I made that transaction before i even left the store lol

[glacial knot]

US system is a bit different
If it’s a CC the bank will be at fault, not the card holder

Which is the reason US banks get super pissy with fraud prevention

[umbral cliff]

Yeah that’s the same as here. Still don’t want the hassle though

[forest edge]

not to mention someone can't just drain your entire credit in one fell swope

[umbral cliff]

Banks here pride themselves on the fraud protection though. Even for debit

[forest edge]

not even possible.. transactions are in a word, throttled

[umbral cliff]

It’s exactly the same treatment as credit for that

[umbral cliff]

So your transactions are capped. What’s the point of a high credit limit if you can’t spend it all

What if you wanted a brand new home cinema, or buying a kitchen, or whatever

[forest edge]

I can spend it it all.. i just can't swipe it all in one fell swope lol

[glacial knot]

Boomer version of fake internet points

[umbral cliff]

Also @forest edge if you wanted to transfer money to a friend can you do it from your banks online banking? Or do you need to get a separate app

[forest edge]

depends on how that friend needs the money

[glacial knot]

You just don’t use CC credit for that either way. Stupidly high interest

[umbral cliff]

If you had dinner with them and want to pay them back because they paid

[umbral cliff]

Not if you pay it off straight away

[forest edge]

not when your credit is high 🤣

[glacial knot]

Why pay with that card then?

[umbral cliff]

A CC can just be a debit card with rewards if you pay it off

[forest edge]

infact big spendings makes you more free money lol

[glacial knot]

What’s your interest on the card?

[umbral cliff]

The points or whatever

[forest edge]

under 1%

[umbral cliff]

But still this @forest edge

[forest edge]

talking about how would you transfer money?

[umbral cliff]

Me? I go into my banks app. Put their phone number on it, enter amount, click pay. They have it immediately

[forest edge]

if they used the same bank it would be instant from the phone app, if they used a diffrent bank it would still be quick from app, but the actualy money transfer would take 24 hours unless it was done before 2pm then it would be same day.

[umbral cliff]

That’s slow

[forest edge]

we don't do that so it dosen't matter

[umbral cliff]

Imagine not having instant transactions for free

[umbral cliff]

What do you do then?

[forest edge]

having one person pay for the whole meal and then to pay the other people back is just dumb

[clear ferry]

Lol physical Money

What's next

[forest edge]

the meals can eb split by who has what

[clear ferry]

Landlines?

[forest edge]

why pay your friend back if they can just pay for thier own

that's dumb

[umbral cliff]

Some stores don’t do split bills. Or another option is if someone buys you something and you need to pay them back

[forest edge]

well then who's behind on technology now

cavemen up in here

[clear ferry]

Since Money transfer is instant, one person paying the bill is no problem

It's free too

[umbral cliff]

^

[forest edge]

it's dumb

[clear ferry]

You can even split it in the app

[umbral cliff]

Like I don’t mind, saves the store paying more card surcharges

[clear ferry]

And add your friends to the split

[umbral cliff]

Which when it’s a small business is nice

[forest edge]

saves the store?

wrong attitude with that

[umbral cliff]

Maybe for an American

[forest edge]

don't worry.. that store is charging you approperiatly to cover any additional fee's you may be costing them lmao

[umbral cliff]

I value the small stores around me. Not even an inconvenience to do either

[forest edge]

even if you don't cost them more money in fees

[clear ferry]

Stores add no extra charges in most of the world

I don't even have to pay to use my card in the US

Both debit and credit

[forest edge]

see

have you ever used an atm here atx?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[forest edge]

did you get fee'd on that?

[clear ferry]

No

[forest edge]

was it the same bank you use at home or something?

[clear ferry]

No

[forest edge]

maybe they done away with that

[clear ferry]

Our banks cover any fees for us

[forest edge]

atm's here use to be notorius for not likling cards from other banks lol

[clear ferry]

I haven't paid fees abroad since the late 90s

[forest edge]

well before it didn't matter if your bank was willing or not.. the machine saw you as an outsider and charged you anyways

but seems like they done away with that

[glacial knot]

Are any American banks even available here for proper accounts?

[clear ferry]

We were forced to use American express for a decade

It was horrible

[forest edge]

in germany?

[clear ferry]

Unusable in most of the world

[umbral cliff]

They offer good bonuses on the cards. But yeah useless to use

Better than diners club lol

[forest edge]

I think banks are kind of like appliances.. there is a set number of big tycoons in the shadows running them all under one roof in secret lol

[clear ferry]

We have visa now

But it's under Citi

And like any American company, no proper mfa

[umbral cliff]

Except that doesn’t work for smaller credit unions or anything else like that

[clear ferry]

And a pita to login

[forest edge]

credit unions are kind of like tesla

[umbral cliff]

Eh sounds like one of our banks here, 6-8 alphanumeric lowercase password only. So stupid (at least has phone sms 2FA)

I will never ever touch them for my banking

[forest edge]

credit unions have thier pro's and cons.. many cons when traveling abroad

[umbral cliff]

How so?

[clear ferry]

Yes, same with Citi, max 8 char password and only phone mfa

Even worse with merill lynch

[glacial knot]

Can’t you do chip tan for banking login?

[forest edge]

here some credit unions (again it's been awhile so i say USED TO) would charge for using anything other than thier own atm's tellers

but credit unnions were great for savings account

much higher interest rates

interest being paid back to the owner of the savings account.. to clearify that

[umbral cliff]

My credit union doesn’t charge me any fees (less total fees than the big banks too). Atm fees set by atm owner, but all the banks made their atms free here so doesn’t concern me (else I would get cash out at a supermarket)

Or out at a post office

[clear ferry]

I only use ATMs abroad

Because i only use physical Money in the US and England

[forest edge]

I would probably only ever use an atm if i was out of country as well

but then you guys have horrible scams with card readers

all over eu and russia and asia

[umbral cliff]

How so? What scams

[forest edge]

card readers

at atm's for tourist etc

[clear ferry]

I've only had my card skimmed once, and i travel abroad 2-3 times a year the last 20 years

[forest edge]

you hear about it all the time on the news here

[umbral cliff]

They exist in the USA too

[glacial knot]

Yea, cards that still have magnet strip enabled are at risk

[clear ferry]

That's just to make Americans not travel abroad @forest edge

[forest edge]

not as common in the us

[umbral cliff]

I just tug the reader before using it

Anywhere I go

And cover my pin with my hand

Because I don’t trust any atm anywhere

[forest edge]

I believe it.. assholes everywhere outside our borders lol

[clear ferry]

Yeah, better to keep them in one place

[glacial knot]

Jup. That’s how you are

[forest edge]

in norway?

[umbral cliff]

Also back to credit unions, best bonus is local call centres too, not huge business

[forest edge]

didn't you say earlier you didn't make enough income for a credit card? how are you going on and on about thier benfits now?

[clear ferry]

One needs income for credit card?

[forest edge]

i know right

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-trailer-park-boys-daamn-tammy-smoking-trash-gif-14573767

[umbral cliff]

Because debit is good enough

Got a nice debit card with no fees at my credit union

[umbral cliff]

Here you do. Minimums listed around 15k a year, then others are based on what they think

[forest edge]

debit is not the same as credit though

[proven spruce]

in EU lines are pretty blurred between the two

[forest edge]

debit card is a glorifyed plastic card that accesses your account directly

[forest edge]

really?

[proven spruce]

you can have approved overdraft limit on your debit card or pay in montly installments in stores

[forest edge]

you have some protection here as well but not sure about the payments thing

[proven spruce]

it was a screw you response from a lot of big banks to Amex

[umbral cliff]

Don’t think we have overdraft here. But debit here still uses visa/ MasterCard so can spend online

A lot here don’t bother with credit anymore due to the risk

[forest edge]

that visa/mc thing is just a portection thing, it dosen't actually build credit for you

it's why you are allowed to use it online

[umbral cliff]

No need to build credit though

[glacial knot]

My bank doesn't care. If I want a debit card, they just open a normal visa CC and set the limit to 0

[proven spruce]

building credit hehe

[forest edge]

that is such a weird concept to me

[umbral cliff]

Here having a utility bill adds to your credit score the same as a credit card

[glacial knot]

you forget that credit building isn't a thing in most places outside the US

[umbral cliff]

So with electricity and gas in my name, gonna be perfectly fine even if I didn’t want a credit card

[forest edge]

has to be in some form or another

[proven spruce]

here your average income and collateral are your credit score

[forest edge]

in some way there has to be a tier system in place

[umbral cliff]

Same here

[glacial knot]

none that's built over time

[proven spruce]

no imaginary pumpable numbers

[glacial knot]

There's just normal and royally fucked.

[proven spruce]

tier system here is: you can get credit or you cannot

[forest edge]

screw that then lol

[umbral cliff]

Except maybe loyalty to a bank, stick with them they’re more likely to give you their higher tier card

[glacial knot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral cliff]

But otherwise no difference

[glacial knot]

I can still get better credit than most Americans
And with anything that has a security behind it, better than anything you get

[forest edge]

so there is no rating? no score or nothing?

[forest edge]

I doubt that

[proven spruce]

you get assessed by the bank when applying for credit

[umbral cliff]

There is a credit score, I checked mine and with no credit history scored great. Not 800 but like 600

Good enough for pretty much anything

[proven spruce]

and, f.e. example i can get an online 10000€ loan online without a question because of bank loyalty

[umbral cliff]

Banks really just use that to find whether you’ve defaulted on a loan/ credit before

[forest edge]

your born with like a 600 here

but if you have a credit score then you have a tier system

[umbral cliff]

600 here is good enough for a 40-60k limit if you have the income for it

[glacial knot]

calmelb is on a different continent

[umbral cliff]

But yeah our credit score matters very little, just “hey are you normal or terrible with credit”. 600 or 800 can both get similar limits if they have similar income

Banks just don’t want you defaulting and that’s where the credit score comes in

How badly you fucked up more than a how good you are

[forest edge]

you get extra perks if you use your own bank for applying for loans etc.. but your credit rating and score is what determines the most important parts of the loan (interest %) and that can be from any bank here

[proven spruce]

we only have a sort of "blacklist" where you get put on when you screw up

[forest edge]

course some bansk offer better rates etc

[umbral cliff]

Yeah we copied the American idea of a credit score but your idea of the usage of this stuff

[proven spruce]

here you shop around for rates 😉

[glacial knot]

banks can query other ongoing credit to assess rates against income
But they are deleted in a matter of some months once paid off

[forest edge]

you can shop around for rates here but if you already have a high credit rating then shopping isn't needed

[proven spruce]

it's just a rigged system where you actually have to maintain your credit score by using their products

[forest edge]

don't have to maintain nothing here

you can lower your rating by not paying your bills etc.. but aside from that

[umbral cliff]

So if you cut all your credit cards off and wanted to re apply in 1-2 years? No issue?

[forest edge]

I don't believe so

[proven spruce]

if you don't own a card and pay everything in cash your credit score goes low

[forest edge]

your credit history and rating follow you for life

[forest edge]

it dosen't go low.. just never increases

you can only go low by being a dimwit

[proven spruce]

if it started low you're kinda screwed

[forest edge]

not really

[glacial knot]

recent history factors in as dedicated value

it won't tank your value, but if you don't have decades of history, it'll worsen for a while

[forest edge]

you only have to pay your bills on time, you don't even have to pay it all off, infact your credit raises faster if you make payments.. a person can go from bankruptcy back to high cc score even if they fucked up midlife etc

you have to be a drain on the economy kind of person to be fucked here

but if you start out building your credit, then you get all kinds of perks

for an example, this year alone every amazon purchase i made through the whole year was free

with the right cc and having good credit you get cash back up the wazoo on everything

but if you are a dimwit then of course your going to have more troubles

I thought credit was mostly the same everywhere

[proven spruce]

that's a common Murican stance

[forest edge]

thats a common (not been anywhere but canda in my life) stance

[proven spruce]

f.e. someone from China would laugh about all this card talk

[umbral cliff]

Should visit more places

[umbral cliff]

Social credit rating calls

[forest edge]

sure there was something mentioned during school but how things work in other countries but as a teenager you really only wanna get laid then pay attaention to oversea practices lol

[glacial knot]

more like, wePay

[proven spruce]

they use QR codes and phones, they skipped cards

[umbral cliff]

That too. Amazing how that’s taken over too

[clear ferry]

Why on earth would we have such a terrible and useless system

[proven spruce]

even to me this bank card talk is a bit outdated

[umbral cliff]

Doesn’t help that Union pay wasn’t wildly supported overseas

[forest edge]

I don't find it useless at all lol

[clear ferry]

It is all based on your income and loans

[forest edge]

my credit has been very good to me over the years. and I wanna keep it that way till i die tyvm

[clear ferry]

I have no need for a credit rating, I just call my bank, then I get money if I need it

Took me 4 minutes to get a $85k loan

[forest edge]

I have no need to call the bank

[umbral cliff]

You write a letter? Or go in person?

[clear ferry]

I actually just send a mail

[forest edge]

get loans online

[proven spruce]

banks just know 😄

[umbral cliff]

America has internet? 😂

[clear ferry]

Barely

[forest edge]

yea and we can't actually afford ours.. how about you?

[clear ferry]

Dialup master race

[umbral cliff]

We can afford ours. Not the best but it works

[forest edge]

yours is ass

[umbral cliff]

What’s the fastest plan you can get

[forest edge]

we hear about it all the time in here lol

[clear ferry]

They get 1800/2 easily @umbral cliff

[glacial knot]

yea, aussie internet and rent are ass

[clear ferry]

With 2.5g weird modems

[umbral cliff]

At least or upload is best lol

[forest edge]

don't you know.. we're on speed of light now

there is no speed rating

it's just instant

[clear ferry]

And limited to 20gb a month please

[umbral cliff]

Eh rent isn’t terrible when compared overseas. Just limited living space

Internet isn’t great, but I’m lucky, got fibre to the home 😂

[forest edge]

damn norway got capped

[glacial knot]

hm? you just don't get more than a square meter for your not terrible rent? 🙂

[umbral cliff]

2 bedroom in a major city for 600/ week

[glacial knot]

yea, fuck that

[umbral cliff]

When the median salary in said city is around 55k-75k

[clear ferry]

Ooof

[umbral cliff]

Canberra - capital city. Most jobs are gov jobs. Pay well

Graduate jobs start between 55-70k

[clear ferry]

I pay aud900 per month for my house

[umbral cliff]

It’s high rent here, affordable with graduate jobs. It’s housing prices that are unaffordable

[forest edge]

and will continue to pay that towards the same house when your grandchildren are retired lol

oh wait you all don't have retirement

nm

same day amazon shipping is so nice

[glacial knot]

if anyone had any doubt in their mind Sonoma is a troll, that should help 😂

[forest edge]

pretty sure everyone in this channel is a troll

[proven spruce]

i'm a goblin

[clear ferry]

No worries, I only have 18 years left of payment

[forest edge]

lol

[clear ferry]

I'll buy another house long before that

[forest edge]

rent to own

[clear ferry]

Renting 🤢

[umbral cliff]

Doesn’t the USA have some sort of stupid retirement fund thing that doesn’t work

[clear ferry]

401k you say

[forest edge]

lol dosen't work? where do you get this information? are there tabloids in au?

[umbral cliff]

From an American friend who thinks it’s stupid

[forest edge]

i think your friend is stupid

[clear ferry]

Don't mind @forest edge he works on his own farm and doesn't partake in retirement @umbral cliff

[forest edge]

I been retired since i was 33 lol

[clear ferry]

So 30 years then

[forest edge]

the retirement system here works just fine. and so does the 401 for people who aren't dumb

back to the dimwits I was talking about earlier.. only those people really struggle

[umbral cliff]

Does your employer put money in for you, above your salary, or do you have to put it in yourself?

For a 401k

[forest edge]

yes

[umbral cliff]

And does the money get invested to raise value

[forest edge]

most employers put in money for both the 401 and a separate retirement fund

any money put into any kind of fund or pension gets interests no matter what it is

[umbral cliff]

Not interest. Investment

You can get a lot more from investments than interest

[forest edge]

you can lose too

they don't do that kind of investments

[glacial knot]

shutup atx

I know what you are going to say 😄

[clear ferry]

So it works for 3% over there then

[proven spruce]

just buy dogecoin

[glacial knot]

oh not even. I'm srurpsied

[forest edge]

@umbral cliffif you want to know about the 401 you can read about it here https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/091515/best-strategies-maximize-your-401k.asp as for any other retirement fund through the employer it's all diffrent so you would have to look at what they do

[umbral cliff]

They do here. The losses are tiny and only if you chose to go aggressive

[proven spruce]

isn't Roth IRA better?

[forest edge]

the 401 is accesable for you to do whatever you want

the other funds are not

now for some pensions you can do this https://money.cnn.com/retirement/guide/investing_basics.moneymag/index3.htm#:~:text=When you invest for retirement,or 403(b) plan.&text=You can put the money into a tax-advantaged retirement,own%2C such as an IRA.

but companies also have thier own retirment fund for the employees

those you can't do anything with in terms investing decisions

[clear ferry]

If I do nothing on top of my regular income and retirement through work my last calculation was $80k a year if I retire at 65

Until I die

[forest edge]

your whole system is whack tho so

[clear ferry]

Touché

[glacial knot]

having the communists be better capitalists than the capitalists leads to weirdness

[umbral cliff]

I get 10-15% of my income added to my superannuation each paycheque. Gets invested and that’s my retirement. Already made like $20 on $120 over the last 6 months

Can’t wait to actually earn super lol

[clear ferry]

Aud200k a year or bust @umbral cliff

[forest edge]

buy land and rent it out

then buy more land and rent it out

rinse and repeat

just don't buy houses and rent them out lol

[umbral cliff]

Why not. They make the money too

[umbral cliff]

Eh give me time to get there lol

[forest edge]

yes and quad can fill you in on that but omg the pain in the ass it is

[proven spruce]

renting is just another job and one that sucks

[forest edge]

not renting out land, atleast not here

[glacial knot]

just need enough mass to have someone else do the job part and still make a profit

[forest edge]

easy breezy

[glacial knot]

like most things

[proven spruce]

renting land sure

[forest edge]

land is the long term pay off

[proven spruce]

it's better to make the money you earned work for you than create another job for yourself

[forest edge]

more acre vs a house plot in the long run will triump over whatever you made all the years renting the house

[proven spruce]

in Europe its even more profitable since you can buy up small plots and consolidate into a larger plot thus increasing the overall value since land is heavily fragmented

[glacial knot]

also helps a lot if you were born in the 40s when land was still cheap

if you can find people selling plots like that

[proven spruce]

land always gets sold

[glacial knot]

They actually have issues buying land off of most (active) farmers here. Either they trade for different land or take retirement for 3 generations money

[forest edge]

kind of the same here

cept those times some big company wants it then you just roll into the 1% overnight lol

i had sprint offer me like 70k a month for a half of acre to put a cell tower on

I almost accepted it too

[clear ferry]

Lol land

Also renting out 🤢

[forest edge]

you know.. that stuff that falls out from under you lately

[glacial knot]

atx farts land?

[forest edge]

do farts fall out in germany?

would kind of like to see that lol

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

well my zigbee dongle shows to be arriving today

guess I get to experince the horrors of zigbee like so many of you soon lol

[glacial knot]

"horror"

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-there-youll-be-okay-gif-4184945

[umbral cliff]

Which dongle

[forest edge]

this one https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/39?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=2

[umbral cliff]

Ah nice

I’m awaiting mine still

[glacial knot]

No PoE?

[clear ferry]

Thats too modern for Sonoma

[forest edge]

i dunno if it can do poe if you add the ethernet or not

[clear ferry]

Remember his fuel economy

[forest edge]

almost... almost

[glacial knot]

oh right. He wants a diesel generator on site instead of PoE

[clear ferry]

Better keep that landline running

[forest edge]

poe generator? lol

[umbral cliff]

If you get the non Poe one can you later add Poe

[forest edge]

you asking about the one i got or was this a joke?

[umbral cliff]

The one you got. Since I got the same one but over the next 12 months will probably add poe to home network

[forest edge]

you can add the ethernet later if you want. and i am not sure it does poe.. sure it will say in the description

tube dm'd me when i asked in zigbee channel and he was local and i was like sold!

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I wonder how hard it is to add poe to one of these

[forest edge]

figure once i get it I can always hit up atx for knowing wtf to do with it since his whole home is zigbee infested

[umbral cliff]

Mine has cleared customs and now awaiting delivery

[forest edge]

nice

how long did it take so far?

[umbral cliff]

December 3rd to now

Probably be delivered Thursday/ Friday

[forest edge]

glad to hear the boat goes just as slow the other direction lol

[umbral cliff]

It spent a lot of time jumping through the USA

Left for australia on the 21st

Cleared & arrived today

Which is about right for delivery

[forest edge]

funny thing is he's not too far from the coastline either

yet i am sure your package did the country tour

[umbral cliff]

All the way to New York before coming here

[forest edge]

oh well that wasn't far then

[umbral cliff]

Only the other side of the country to me 😂

Normally they go to lax to leave

[clear ferry]

[last cedar]

That's not a lax

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-smirk-afk-gif-21791266

[bitter pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/farnsworth-futurama-gif-5319799

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-raccoon-hail-king-crown-gif-15551856

Come live on my planet

[bitter pawn]

hah nice

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Raccoons/comments/rqa3su/walking_through_the_park_when_suddenly/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Is anyone going to help me?

[last dirge]

poor thing

[last cedar]

What would you grab though

[last dirge]

the can

[last cedar]

I feel like the tail would be asking for snarls

The feet could scratch

[pale shadow]

👋

[last dirge]

I'd try to tip the can over

and hope it's not stuck like a hula skirt

[last cedar]

Probably best tbh

Unless you had thick gloves with you

[clear ferry]

Dis U @last cedar ?

[last cedar]

I actually can't stand football

So no!

[mortal pendant]

Love watching the cameras during snow storms

[last dirge]

that van is movin

is that completely unplowed?

this guy's ridiculous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1WYIu_gA4

[mortal pendant]

I think they plowed it awhile ago, but it's snowing fast

[last dirge]

I've never seen snow like that

[edgy matrix]

Anyone out there aware of a Discord for Synology NAS?

[clear ferry]

No wonder they kicked you out of the uk

[last dirge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/8zzb1f/synology_discord_server/

3 year old reddit thread has one

[pale shadow]

QNAP MASTER RACE

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-season-2-spongebob-squarepants-l3nF8lOW9D0ZElDvG

[clear ferry]

Lol qnap

[pale shadow]

If it were upto me, we'd just have a bunch of sans that replicate to different buildings. and a big ass tape library

But apparently that isnt cost effective

[lost yarrow]

heyo, i have found "Fully Kiosk Browser & App Lockdown" on the playstore. Supports MQTT. Does anybody have a FOSS alternative to that?

[gaunt carbon]

Hi, are there any known Issues if I install Pi-Hole on same RPi which runs HA?

[clear ferry]

A lot of people do

[gaunt carbon]

cool, then I will too 🙂

Other question: Do you guys backup whole sdcard ?

[clever mortar]

For those that don't run #330990055533576204 sure

There are, of course, no support questions in this channel

[gaunt carbon]

sure, no pi-hole support questions here

Thank you all

[clever mortar]

Well, no HA support questions 😉

Read the channel topic

[clear ferry]

I just don't run on SD cards

[clever mortar]

[gaunt carbon]

yes, that's fine

[glacial knot]

you don't run on pis either atx

well, you maybe. But not your software

[clear ferry]

I do run one pi currently

And I have four others

🤢

[glacial knot]

one of each generation?

what do you run on it? sl?

[clear ferry]

Zigbee2mqtt

[glacial knot]

why?

[clear ferry]

Because having my ZigBee coordinator in the basement in a concrete garage isn't great

[glacial knot]

just plug in a couple proxies /shrug

[clear ferry]

I have a rpi4 with esxi installed here somewhere, and three zeroes I'm gonna use for some projects

[glacial knot]

says in a tiny flat with the coordinator at the physical center

[gaunt carbon]

Yes, I will switch to USB SSD

[clear ferry]

Preferably to something else than a pi

[glacial knot]

Bananapi 🙂

are they still around?

[clear ferry]

Probably

[gaunt carbon]

Is a rpi4 with esxi fine? I mean good performance?

[clear ferry]

No, i use it for testing NSX-T multi-site

[clever mortar]

Pi and performance in the same sentence only works when you use words that mean lacking

[clear ferry]

Or comparing it to an esp8266

[glacial knot]

Hey! we have a Pi product at work. Which we've clearly made ROI on. I'm sure 😂

[clear ferry]

[clever mortar]

Oh, if you want compact and not totally crap they're fine... at least if you back them with industrial SD cards and proper power

In other words, if you don't use them like home users do

[clear ferry]

Users 🤢

[glacial knot]

if they had 4k support on h264, not just h265 they'd probably sell pretty crazy for us

[clear ferry]

They run 320x240 pretty well

[glacial knot]

they actually do 4k pretty well when driven properly

but that requires in put that bypasses everything else on the device. Like h265 video stream directly into the accelerated decoder

[clear ferry]

I'm guessing 2022 will be the year where edge computing will expand

But it needs more than a pi

We've had a few both intel and arm sbc for a few years

[glacial knot]

the year of the linux desktop? 🙂

Jetson Nano 😂

hate it

[clear ferry]

Stuff like the Edgeline 300 / 1000 / 4000

Processing data on the edge, then reporting back to the DC

[glacial knot]

I know the concept. Amazon greengrass actually sounds pretty cool for that

[clear ferry]

It just hasn't caught on yet

Because customers are usually too set in their ways

we've done it like this for 25 years

[glacial knot]

also goes against the big data trend where everything has to be always connected

which needs to die

[clear ferry]

Yes

Hopefully my solution architect role for EU will materialize in 2022

So I can change the minds of some old men

[gaunt carbon]

any guide here how to install Home Assistant and Pi-hole on same RPi ?

[glacial knot]

We have advice against it 🙂

[clear ferry]

.topic

No support in here

[gaunt carbon]

I know, but here is off-topic 🙂

[clear ferry]

No

It's on topic

Any of the installation channels can help you

[gaunt carbon]

ok i go and search for any guide

[peak mountain]

For those who remember Weather Timeline - I was missing the design a lot recently, so I decompiled the most recent APK, reverse engineered the new api, and hosted it myself using openweathermap data (then modded the url in the app). Is this something anyone might be interested in as an open-source project/guide?

[late gate]

Any expert on this? If i want to run proxmox thats debian 11 now- fair enough. Why does most people suggest running each docker container in an lxc, instead of one lxc for all dockers or docker directly in proxmox os. Seem to me to be a waste running 20 lxc containers with docker

[clever mortar]

"most people" 🤔

I'd question your sample size

[late gate]

Ok a trend then. Seem like most new tutorials suggest this method

[low harness]

When I used proxmox I ran docker directly on the host.

I'd guess someone got something terribly mixed up. LXC is not entirely unlike docker...

[clear ferry]

Shitty userbase you say ;-)

Lxc is fine, but for most homelabs docker makes a lot more sense

And it makes more sense to learn docker over lxc to real life install base

[signal osprey]

Havent heard back from anyone. Can someone help?
#node-red-archived message

#nodered query but its quite dull there

[clever mortar]

Patience @signal osprey - and please don't crosspost

[clear ferry]

Nodered 🤢

[clever mortar]

People will help when they can, not when you demand it

[signal osprey]

it has been hours. i didnt demand help from anyone.

[clever mortar]

So... if the channel is quiet it's quiet. Just be patient

[low harness]

"WSL vs tmux" Lolwut?

Man, those "helpful" comparison sites...

[proven spruce]

DOS vs Android!

[late gate]

Running docker is not an issue, but why run it inside an lxc that baffles me. Maybe to have backups, and host seperation on things that run (install minimal bare)

https://theorangeone.net/posts/docker-in-lxc/

[clear ferry]

What the actual frenck

[last cedar]

Tmux is awesome

[clear ferry]

Finally got my appointment for the booster shot

[last cedar]

And when you find out how do make more windows

[late gate]

I got it weeks ago

[last cedar]

And then when you find out how to make more pages of windows

[proven spruce]

need to recharge the bill gates chip eh...

[late gate]

I got full 5g coverage now

[last cedar]

Like the sanders meme

[clear ferry]

I'm getting private 5g

[last cedar]

I need to book my 3rd shot

[late gate]

you dont even need a phone after 3rd booster

[last cedar]

They even give it to raccoons

[late gate]

voices in your head

[last cedar]

Had those for ages, no more voices after covid jab

[late gate]

darn so the voice said that I won a new record on snake on my 3210 brain phone was false?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/voices-are-real-jack-nicholson-nod-yes-the-shining-gif-16412513

[last cedar]

Maybe?

Oh well, maybe they are real

And sometimes they do have great ideas

[late gate]

frigate are very accurate today

[clear ferry]

70% dog, it's grandmother in its father's side was a dog

[last cedar]

I love that wood paneling like omg

[clear ferry]

I have my threshold at 80%

[last cedar]

So you don't get any crossbreads triggering it then? @clear ferry

[late gate]

Im waiting for a new camera for the entrance. this one is just temporary and well yeah its horrible

regular with that panels here @last cedar

[last cedar]

If an ass comes past it says 50% donkey, 50% horse and doesn't trigger? @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/edward-ninatucker-nina-tucker-fullmetal-gif-5713891

[last cedar]

Yes but it still looks sharp

I am going with vertical panels on mine, house is so small it will look like a pancake if I lay them down

[late gate]

my house is over 10m high with cellar so it works

[last cedar]

About 6m here

1 floor above the cellar, cellar is partially underground

[late gate]

partially underground. good luck with wifi, zigbee and zwave :p

Book of boba fett is out for those who have not noticed!

[last cedar]

I am actually doing okay for signal, thankfully zigbee is mesh. Otherwise I would be snookered

I am potentially wondering if putting a pi for z2mwtt may be wise, like @clear ferry did/ does

Wifi ap is going up a floor

And probably going back to 2Ghz tbh, don't need the speed

[late gate]

Im running an WIfi6 unifi ap point in each floor (3 floors)

works fine, but need one more in the garage

[last cedar]

2g was congested where we lived before, now we live on 1500m2 land, no one else to interfere

[last cedar]

Yepp!

[late gate]

2g is horrid here

people use routers that cover 4-5 channels

[last cedar]

I have one of those eap245, was thinking of grabbing something else and giving to parents

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/fairuza-balk-vicki-vallencourt-the-waterboy-want-me-to-kill-them-gif-8227427

That should be illegal

[midnight adder]

Hi, I posted an comment on add-ons topic abous Mosquitto. Is there someone can I help plea&se ?

[umbral cliff]

Probably already is illegal just not enforced

[umbral cliff]

You’ve only given it 3 minutes. Wait till someone answers. Don’t need to go asking in other channels

[last cedar]

I believe mine uses same channel, but is 40Mhz wide on 2ghz and 80 or 160 on 5g?

So I probably also need to be arrested

[midnight adder]

Sorry, it was to check if someone know very well mosquitto

[clever mortar]

Patience 😉

People will help you when they can

Cross posting for attention is likely to get you muted, not get you help

[late gate]

@last cedar 40mhz should be death sentence - ruins zigbee

Here is an iditot with 40mhz near me. he covers so many channels, and at least 2 zigbee channels

[last cedar]

Only if 40Mhz on 1 channel?

Aha, well as I said this is on 1500m2

So we don't disturb others

That is a LOT of ssids

[proven spruce]

that's living in a cage for you

[umbral cliff]

What if the raccoons want to use zigbee 😛

[proven spruce]

i have only 5 SSID's and 4 of those are mine 😛

[late gate]

just stick to 20mhz 1, 6 and 11

[dusky plank]

or 13 😉

[late gate]

or just dont do over 6 and keep zigbee silent

[last cedar]

They all use mine

And wifi

[dusky plank]

zigcoon

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

I want to get door entry system working too

[umbral cliff]

Also what’s a good mounted wifi AP not including unifi (seeing if there’s a reason to go elsewhere for that or whether I just go with them)

[last cedar]

So I can give them all rfid tags

[last cedar]

Tplinks!

[dusky plank]

+1 tplink

[finite atlas]

raccoos with rfid tags, neat idea

[late gate]

whats the problem with unifi?

[umbral cliff]

People here hate them, I still think they look better

[last cedar]

|| ubiquiti is the problem ;) ||

[umbral cliff]

What’s the management interface like for TP Link? Is it as crap as most wifi router interfaces?

[late gate]

The people with problems that hate them. I had them for years and worked flawless

[finite atlas]

i just hide my router in a box, idm how it looks

[dusky plank]

its expensive, does not offer interfaces to interact with foss projects, it's expensive, they always want more money

[last cedar]

I went with thr tp link because it was half the price and reviewed as good as the ubiquiti at the time

[dusky plank]

did i mention that they are expensive?

[umbral cliff]

They’re the same price as TP link so they’re equivalent

(Both wifi 6 are around $150-200)

[last cedar]

I believe thr tp was 849 sek and the ac pro was 1649kr at the time

[dusky plank]

you can pretty much put openwrt on any tplink device

[last cedar]

Not sure how current models compare

[dusky plank]

thus, everything is possible

[late gate]

Im quite invested in unifi with switches, router, ap points etc so I dont think its a point to switch

[glacial knot]

buying into the vendor lockin 😂

[late gate]

only issue for me is lack of some ipv6 support, manual dns entries and no L3

[umbral cliff]

I’m looking at making a network now so happy to try either. Tempted to get a unifi AP and see what it’s like, because management interface looks nice. Compared to openwrt which is… crap

[late gate]

@glacial knot well they can run standalone if I want

[dusky plank]

use DAWN for openwrt

[umbral cliff]

Unfortunately this ended up being a mis price otherwise great deal even if unifi 😂

[last cedar]

Omg

[late gate]

@umbral cliff The weird thing is the old unifi UI is better than the new. I dont know why they removed so many options in the new UI

[dusky plank]

and the unifi APs generally do not achieve the speeds of commercial APs

[umbral cliff]

What is DAWN?

[dusky plank]

they are built for > 100 devices, not the speed

[glacial knot]

Mis price?

[late gate]

I get 800mbit on 80mhz so Im happy on wifi 6 I achieve 1200mbit internally (like appletv)

[umbral cliff]

It was actually $573. They incorrectly priced the website

[dusky plank]

controller for openwrt APs

[glacial knot]

ahh

[umbral cliff]

I placed the order last night, refunded today due to that lol

[glacial knot]

Are they 10G ports? Or why would it be so expensive? o.0

[umbral cliff]

Australian mark up. $500 for 48 port managed switch with some 10G ports isn’t too different with other brands

[dusky plank]

i don't have wifi 6 yet but in my comparisons the unifi AP was always a tad slower than other APs

[late gate]

I just order directly

[umbral cliff]

Imagine being able to have that ability 😂

[glacial knot]

Why don't you use the good 160MHz channels? 🙂

[late gate]

@dusky plank That is correct. They need more fine tuning

@glacial knot cause of its not worth the hazzle

[glacial knot]

I still need to find a good WiFi6 VLAN AP...

[last cedar]

I believe it has 2x 10gb and 2x1gb sfp

I grabbed an aruba 1930 48 port, with 4x10gb for about 400 euro

[umbral cliff]

If you find one let me know lol

[dusky plank]

the heck

you can put openwrt on unifi APs now

[glacial knot]

1GB SFP is cheaper than a copper port most of the time

https://geizhals.de/tp-link-omada-eap610-a2610287.html?hloc=at&hloc=de could work. But only 2x2

[umbral cliff]

I’m currently using a d-link wifi router and want to get something good that works on POE, so then I can have a nice home setup

[dusky plank]

I'm looking at the totolink x5000r

[umbral cliff]

Only would need 1-2 APs. Unifi has the one with 4 Ethernet jacks at the bottom which could be useful for by the TV

Just no wifi 6 one of those yet

[glacial knot]

https://geizhals.de/tp-link-omada-eap660-hd-a2420696.html?hloc=at&hloc=de starts hurting the wallet D:

[dusky plank]

Aruba is also comparable to unifi

[late gate]

I think its higher quality, but higher price

If I started again I might have gone another way

[glacial knot]

@umbral cliff I can generally recommend GH for feature filter research. Won't be as good for you, since it's DACH region for price and availability, but still a great filter to check what's relevant hardware: https://geizhals.de/?cat=wlanap&xf=529_802.11ax~758_PoEplusPD~758_VLAN

[umbral cliff]

GH? That a company for the link you sent?

[glacial knot]

jup

[umbral cliff]

(But yeah can usually get the same products here so having a comparison list is great, so thanks!!)

[dusky plank]

I dunno, I find unifi, aruba and the likes are made for enterprise. I would not use them private

[umbral cliff]

I thought unifi was prosumer now

[late gate]

unifi is getting better

[glacial knot]

I generally look into the SMB target devices

[late gate]

I had it from the square ap fiasco

and it just got better

[glacial knot]

they have the basic advanced features I want and don't start with bullshit licenses and other enterprise "features"

[late gate]

BUT simple things a home router just does unifi and aruba doesnt do

like easy connection for iot

I dont know why

I guess cause home routers got more wide settings

[glacial knot]

What?

what easy connection? And home routers are mostly pretty constrained. Outside the enthusiast class I guess. But they are in the same 100€+ price range

[late gate]

An example. Say you buy a product with a bit wonky chip unifi where you have to stand on your head, pray to the gods and do an interpertation dance to make it work home routers just take them, while unifi require tweaking of dtim etc

But this got better now when you can lock clients to an AP

no more problems with different channels

[umbral cliff]

I would recommend to anyone to spend more than $100 (€50) because anything cheaper is usually garbage that doesn’t work

[glacial knot]

Most people use a combination router/modem/ap either way

[umbral cliff]

(Like the one my ISP gave me which couldn’t support more than gigabit on the Ethernet ports if more than 2 devices were using it)

[glacial knot]

spending 100€ on a pure AP is probably already way out of reasonable home users budget

[late gate]

I would say unifi is the cheapest best system you can get as an entuiast, especsially if you put a bit more money on the pro series (10gbit backend, pro ap etc)

regular series usually got 2,5gbit backend

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I meant the combo stuff shouldn’t spend less than $100 because it never works otherwise

[glacial knot]

my entire home-net is currently 1Gb/s
10Gb/s switches are a bit expensive and teh 2.5G class wasn't really a thing yet when I bought stuff. It's also a very weird one IMO

[late gate]

I dont run pro switches

Im ok with 1gbit network for now, and my nas is connected to each switch (4 nas ports)

so its divided between switches and ap on different switches

with spf between them

[glacial knot]

when I upgrade the home-server I could upgrade my switches to at least have a 10G interconnect on them. But with only a single device that supports that /shrug

[late gate]

I would at least have a 10gb router and one 10gb core switch

[umbral cliff]

2.5G is still a little too expensive for me to factor in yet. When I get a NAS gonna look for one with 2.5 in it, then eventually have 2.5G switches when I have a need for it

[late gate]

then points can be 1gb

synology got 10gb nas

I just got one with 4x 1gb

but in real life when do I ever need more speed?

But in still building my new rack. Got a 3000w UPS in the mail yesterday, but waiting for the rails for it (of course they split the package)

[last cedar]

Only 3000W. A small one then? :P

[late gate]

I had massive UPS setup before

over 20000w

[last cedar]

3000W is pretty massive

Wow

[late gate]

6 UPS in series

[last cedar]

You were powering the whole municipality, I guess?

[late gate]

No, I had a 1500l aquarium

that had to run

now I want enough power to run a backbone with POE

[glacial knot]

if I felt like upgrading a core switch I'd probably go with 10G SFP+ ports only on the switch. And then plug in copper/glas as needed for the specific downstream devices

[late gate]

so I can run things in the living room over ethernet POE even if the rack is in the cellar during power out

My proxmox is running on a laptop so that got its own battery

My Home Assistant is so light now I think it actually could run on the new amber/yellow since I offload everything to other devices

That would work well with its builtin zigbee and I got the aeotec internal zwave

and POE version of course that could run during power outage

[last cedar]

Fair enough, that will take some energy

[late gate]

yeah it took 1kW to run

just the equipment not including the lamps

Im breeding tortoises now so less sensitive

[zealous kelp]

Hi I'm new in home Automation and my question is. Is there any Free services that can integrate my Home Assistant with my GoogleHome

[late gate]

yes, the diy method

wont channel btw

(I got finally to say it)

[clever mortar]

#integrations-archived can help

[late gate]

dont steal my thunder! :p

[glacial knot]

🌩️

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-crocs-hump-tortoise-gif-16071960

[glacial knot]

@clear ferry are there SFP modules that support PoE?

[late gate]

My breeds!

[last cedar]

Anything is poe if you connect it wrong enough