the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

Fun fact for you, EVs are so subsidized in Norway that it doesn't make sense to repair them,so if it is a larger damage they will just be scrapped

Had a friend buy a scrapped VW eGolf for $4k and reused the batteries to make a power wall at his cabin

[strange crag]

ok - my bad - didnt know that

[fallow karma]

Because they sold only about 5 of them 😉

One guy in my city bought it, and he has to go to Berlin to fuel it. I know it from newspaper 😃

[umbral cliff]

What’s your city? (Or country?)

[fallow karma]

Poznan/Poland

[umbral cliff]

Oh wow that’s a long drive

[last cedar]

Would love to do this

[clear ferry]

Just buy a Norwegian one

Lots of scrapped Tesla's

[last cedar]

There are probably laws against it

Can't have too much of a good thing in Sweden

Unless you are an MP

[finite atlas]

same here in germany

[fallow karma]

@umbral cliff I can't find it now on the web, (maybe Toyota paid for delete it) but i think guy towed it there and back for refueling. It isn't far ,
We sometimes go there for good kebab ;)

[last cedar]

"you want to cut your energy costs?"

That can't be allowed.

We will charge you for not using more energy then

[fallow karma]

We are not allowed too being disconnected from public energy web

[last cedar]

My electric bill was 287 kr.

Total including all the fees and taxes was just under 1000, so 70% of my bill are all the taxes etc for the conveniece of having electric

[finite atlas]

a month or a year?

[last cedar]

Month

Used 455 kWh in November

[finite atlas]

we pay about 120€ a month for 415 kWh

[fallow karma]

I dunno how's my bill, it's my wife's job to carry out it

[last cedar]

Heating with pellets, most of thr electric goes into electric heaters (gaming pcs and servers)

[fallow karma]

I think induction cooktop is my biggest consumer

[finite atlas]

we have electric water heaters at nearly all sinks, they are our biggest consumer right after the induction cooktop

[fallow karma]

Hot water and heating comes from city heating network

[finite atlas]

neat

[fallow karma]

And every apartment has heat meter (combines temp on the inlet , outlet and flow rate to count it)

[last cedar]

Where were use to rent from, they have a rule that you get it heated to 20C, no warmer no colder

Freeeeeeezing

So glad I can have it as I want

[fallow karma]

I've got 24-25 now

[last cedar]

Damn

https://tenor.com/view/melting-ice-cream-me-gif-12373609

22 23 is enough for me :D

Need to get winter over with so I can get on with insulation and windows

Like, hurry up already

Gonna be able to heat thr house all winter. With one fart

https://tenor.com/view/ダンス-屁こき-おなら-ガス-fart-gif-15787704

[fallow karma]

We had most of houses in area after thermo update

Even my parents 60 years old house

New windows, walls and roof are insulated, gas boiler is brand new with exhaust recuperation

[strange crag]

You could recycle all those batteries from the scrapped cars - people make the equivalent of Tesla powerwalls out of them! Getting a cheap source of batteries to do that is the hard part - looks like you got that bit solved. Otherwise you could sell them to people who do make powerwalls lol!

[strange crag]

yeah - they do that here - LED lighting becomes the norm - we better charge more for lighting circuits now. You have solar - hmm grid connection fees go up, and solar feed in tarrifs go way down. Better off just going completely off grid, but I see that Bobik cant do even that!

[strange crag]

why at each sink? why not one for the house? Or is it that damn cold the water would freeze on its way to the tap?

[strange crag]

interesting concept - must cost an arm and a leg?

[fallow karma]

Not really. Poland has lots of coal, we burn coal to produce electricity, and heat is side product.

[clever mortar]

District heating is pretty common across parts of the world, and often uses "waste" heat

[fallow karma]

For heat 40 square meters apartment and water for 3 person's costs about 40€ per month

@strange crag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogeneration

[forest edge]

new york and a few other cities are setup the same way but using broilers. mainly just business buildings tap in and use it tho

[worldly sierra]

Sweden has a lot of district heating, powered by burning garbage and similar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating

[clear ferry]

Norway has a lot of that in cities

From both burning waste and from dedicated water heating facilities

[last cedar]

Everyone here says geo thermal is best, but with the way the electric prices are going, I am not sure where break even point is

[strange crag]

Wow I learnt something new! - thanks guys and girls.

I had heard about chilled water being pumped around town for aircon usage, but never heat. Good to know.

[clear ferry]

We do water cooling facilities for DCs sometimes

But if the DC is close to the sea we just use sea water

And exchange it

[strange crag]

Our DC's use standard industrial aircon. Although I have been in a departmental server room that was at 30+ C. Never found out why they didnt have aircon. Also didnt seem to have any failures either.

Some OTEC units were able to pump chilled water ashore to run aircons and could aslo be used for mariculture

[clear ferry]

Industrial aircon is usually only backup here

Water is by far more common

[strange crag]

OTEC - the most inept name ever - stands for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion. They think its a power plant - but it gets canned when they find out its only 2% effiient as a power plant. What they fail to realise is that can be a large volume water desalinator that produces more than enuff energy to run itself as a byproduct. Instead they build expensive desalination plants that consume huge amounts of energy.

[strange crag]

they had some extra pipe and thought they could use it to make an archway? lol

[forest edge]

water is getting harder to and harder to pump from the amount of pollution in the oceans. wouldn't be surprised if one day it gets cut all together due to cost vs value

[last cedar]

"shit, we forgot to cut the tree down"

"say no more"

[fallow karma]

Something like that.

[scenic radish]

More like "hold my beer"

[fallow karma]

But more modern pipeline are underground

[jade tartan]

yall love being reliant on gov services huh?

one of the 1st things i do after getting my land is to make it as self sufficient as possible, fuck the grid

[mortal pendant]

Made a program to detect if the fridge is open based on how much white is in the blue box

[midnight adder]

Hi

[jade tartan]

why not just raise the front feet on your fridge so it swings shut like it's supposed to?

[mortal pendant]

It's not an issue of forgetting it open. My use case is tracking how often it's opened

[jade tartan]

wouldnt, if a person was there, affect the reading?

[keen bridge]

I'd just have gone with a cheap door sensor myself.

[jade tartan]

^

but if camera is in place already just sitting, meh

[mortal pendant]

Initially I was doing motion detection, and yes that was an issue. But since I switched to white value that issue has pretty much been elimated. Unless you are wearing all white, a false positive is unlikely

[forest edge]

reed switch would have been more efficient lol

[mortal pendant]

ok jeez guys simple program that works 😆

[jade tartan]

lol we like to pick things apart here, duh

[forest edge]

it's creative but like in that pretech kind of way.. old school home automation lol

[jade tartan]

you should have gotten a laser robot to do everything for you, DUH

just to be clear, it's a robot litterally made of laser light

[last cedar]

I don't like those simple solutions like using a magnet contact though

why make it easy when you can make it complicated

[jade tartan]

i run rubegoldberg sensors on all my shit

[fallow karma]

It's simple and sofisticated at same time

[jade tartan]

every door way looks like a conglomeration that belongs in mouse trap board game

[last cedar]

a string around a pully that rotates a potentiometer

[jade tartan]

lol

[last cedar]

or an air pressure sensor in the fridge

[mortal pendant]

I was thinking a highly sensitive air temperature monitor that can detect even the smallest variations in ambient temperature

[last cedar]

I am actually lying

I can't think of a more complicated way than measuring the light output of the fridge

impressively complicated

https://tenor.com/view/a-toast-raise-hand-raise-a-toas-raise-glass-raise-your-glass-gif-15388277

[mortal pendant]

It's funny because I had a huge complicated program detecting changes in motion, resetting the base value because changes in light during the day would trigger it. Trying to fix people walking in front of it

Then I was like, it just white, the door is white. Now my program is like 20 lines finding the average color of the box

[last cedar]

I love it

[clear ferry]

Indoor cameras 🤢

[forest edge]

your indoor cameras 🤢

[static schooner]

You gotta pay to see my indoor cameras

[clear ferry]

I should have asked the doctor for my inside camera footage

[scenic radish]

OF link pls

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/downsign-fans-pun-supporters-goal-gif-17261374

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze there are videos on youtube about you weirdo's getting rain and everyone was like wearing scuba gear in preparations lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-pooh-pooh-scuba-diving-gear-swimming-gear-snorkeling-gif-22305904

[last cedar]

Depends where the camera went in

Up nose video is entertaining

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/up-up-up-up-gif-15307360

[last cedar]

Yupp

They looked at my vocal chords

Would have been silly to go in the back end to get there

[static schooner]

But more kinky

[last cedar]

Yes!

@static schooner got a server related question....

Can we have a hall of fame for the most complicated solutions to problems?

Like the camera measuring light instead of a magnet

It would be hillarious

[static schooner]

That would just come back to bite us in our collective asses. It would look like a howto guide

[clever mortar]

Heath Robinson solutions

[last cedar]

❤️

Homelab has a homelab quotes

And the best one every month gets chosen

There might not be too many people doing jank solutions though :P

[clever mortar]

A large part of my career has involved "creative solutions"

[last cedar]

Same with mine

Most of mine involve relays

[clever mortar]

Sometimes those "quick hacks" run for years and years 😄

[keen bridge]

Starting with a hack that gets you going is better than never starting at all because you're on a quest for the "perfect" solution

[glacial knot]

nothing runs longer than something improvised

[keen bridge]

Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution - as every software developer should know!

[clear ferry]

Software? Oh boy you should see the temporary permanent cables my customers install across racks

Yeah , five racks down, one row across, just hanging 150cm off the ground

[clever mortar]

I've been in server rooms like that

[clear ferry]

That sounds good

[clever mortar]

One that had a rats nest of cables in the middle, that you just had to walk around

[clear ferry]

What do you mean, 15m fiber cables are fine for intra rack cabling

We only need 64 in each rack

[jagged thorn]

ok so i just got home assistant up and running and holy crap

it shows me the ink levels in my printers

[static schooner]

Which will lead to the next question - ‘Why do I have so many printers?’

[jagged thorn]

only 2 they are for different uses

one is a mono toner the other is ink

how do i move my home location

never mind

[clever mortar]

No support in this channel anyway 😉

[glacial knot]

can the mono one print 🦝s?

[jagged thorn]

i suppose it can

[static schooner]

Another point for the raccoons

[glacial knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dancing-raccoon-Kpqr21kWZXt1m

[jagged thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/trashpanda-lionfield-raccoon-trash-panda-squad-gif-19904452

[fallow furnace]

im just experimenting with the ugly envisalink app but theres no native way to arm the system with no code - am i missing sthg?

[tidal bronze]

Isn't that the right thing to do 🤔

[finite atlas]

@last cedar do you know any good dumpsters with racoons in sweden or any other places that are worth visiting tomorrow?

[last cedar]

Wait, those are temporary installs?

[last cedar]

Yes

But I can't tell you where

|| not here ||

[last cedar]

Are you coming to visit me tommorow?

Anyone feeling ill yet?

Don't look too long

the more you look the worse it gets

@clear ferry if you look closely there is a raspi running an sd card

Amazed it still hasn't grenaded itself yet

Must be the highest endurance sd card known to man, Nasa will want to analyse it when I am done with it

[finite atlas]

not you directly, my brother and i are driving through sweden tomorrow or the day after tomorrow

we're visiting nordkapp

[last cedar]

Nord what

[finite atlas]

that nord

[last cedar]

If you want to share travel plans I can steal your car mats when you drive past say hello

[static schooner]

It’s like the North Pole of Scandinavia

[last cedar]

It is pretty far north

Northern light chasing?

[static schooner]

Pretty sure that’s where Santa Claus lives

[finite atlas]

pretty much

santa claus lives on svalbard

[finite atlas]

for that you have to send me a friend request

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/lxOdEWd89TsAAAAM/disgusting-disgusteng.gif

Nordkapp is pretty cool, for five minutes

To see the sculpture, if it isn't foggy or snowing

[static schooner]

Then you freeze solid

[clear ferry]

Which it is, for 5 minutes every year

Other than that, it is just the local family circle, very few family trees up there

-11.6 here right now

.c2f -12

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Celsius To Fahrenheit

-12 degrees celsius = 10.4 degrees fahrenheit!

[finite atlas]

we had -11 down here in germany aswell

[clear ferry]

#thatfeeling when you feel the thing coming out is too big and your hemmorid is screaming for mercy

[finite atlas]

relatable

[umbral cliff]

Australia will suffer then. Parts of the country rely on desal plants because we don’t always get enough rain

[brisk glen]

Australia is already suffering from spiders with health bars, what’s a little less water?

[forest edge]

wtf

[strange crag]

and desal plants take HUGE amounts of power. Why not build one that makes its own power?

[strange crag]

Only spiders? what about the snakes, the crocks, the jellyfish, the sharks etc?
and the politicians 😉

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean?

[jade tartan]

cant they just make solar distilling desalinators?

use the sun

[strange crag]

Desal plants require huge amounts of power to be drawn from the grid, whereas OTEC (Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion) in some of its modes can produce huge quantities of fresh water AND produce their own power. This is much more useful than the current implementation, however the downside is that it is only possible to do where you have a wide range of sea temps between surface and deep sea.

[dawn prawn]

What do you mean? They mothballed the plant in Sydney…

[strange crag]

they still have the one in melbourne

and a few others too

[dawn prawn]

They’re probably running at minimum capacity like the one here. It’s too costly to shut it down completely so they keep it running to make water we do not need.

Nowhere here is relying on them. The only places that would have benefited from them were inland areas.

[umbral cliff]

Until the next drought at which point they’ll be operating at full capacity again

[strange crag]

well I guess in melbourne they have a need for it as they pump a WHOLE lot of freshwater into the tunnel roads into melbourne so that they dont crack and apparently seawater isnt good enuff

[dawn prawn]

Priorities…

Victoria / Melbourne is a dump though so not surprising

[strange crag]

and the droughts could be a thing of the past IF we could get some decent water infrastructure

[jade tartan]

thats why i said use the sun

duh

[strange crag]

So is sydney! and other cities lol

Bored - how do you use the sun exactly?

[umbral cliff]

Eh it’s still going to be a struggle as we start to have less and less rain due to climate change

[jade tartan]

use the sun to evaporate water, and distill it

[dawn prawn]

Have lived in both as well as other regional cities. I don’t think I’d ever bother visiting Melbourne again

[jade tartan]

leaving the salt behind, might have to do it a couple times tho

[strange crag]

srange you say taht Cal - its pissing down here right now - and when I checked this morning there was nothing on the radars for the whole continent except around the edges

[umbral cliff]

Sounds like you didn’t experience Melbourne properly then

[strange crag]

bored - so you have to have enclosed areas to evaporate and catch the water - easy to do on a small scale, but gets harder the larger you go

[umbral cliff]

We’re in La Niña. Of course it’ll rain more during this. Those cycles are getting shorter for La Niña and longer for El Niño. We’ll be set until the next El Niño and hard bushfire season

[dawn prawn]

But yeah, desalination plants for the cities here are an absolute waste, particularly when they only service a few small patches of those cities. If they built a pipeline to where the water was actually needed, it may be a different story. But due to the nature of the distribution, it would never happen.

[strange crag]

why not beast? we have national infrastructure for everything else!

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean by patches of those cities? The desal plant in Melbourne covers most of Melbourne

It flows into the normal supply dam areas

[jade tartan]

we make big shit all the time, not an excuse other then money, and the rich of the world can fund it 100x over so it can be done

[dawn prawn]

Sydney’s only pumps into one part of the city and does not go into the main reservoir

[umbral cliff]

Issue becomes space then

[umbral cliff]

Sounds like Sydney fucked up

[strange crag]

but the rich of the world arent interested enuf to do it - so there is your problem - heck even the pollies arent interested

[umbral cliff]

Can cover Gippsland, western port, and Melbourne

Large area to ensure water is supplied

[dawn prawn]

National infrastructure like the NBN???

[jade tartan]

again, we also have alot of that, eminant domain that shit

[strange crag]

hehehe since when did Gippsland need water!! lol

[umbral cliff]

We don’t have a lot of space to pump mega litres of water into

[umbral cliff]

During the droughts lol

[jade tartan]

we litterally made lakes in america

catch up

[umbral cliff]

Do they pump in regularly from the ocean? And then get pumped out to water supplies?

[strange crag]

national infrastruture like power, comms, roads, (rail and gas nearly there)

[jade tartan]

no but im betting you could blast a new river or cove if determined enough

[strange crag]

there version of a drought is the same as the rest of the nations idea of normal lol

[umbral cliff]

Rail is so important yet we fucked up with it. Now playing catch up

Should have a decent intercity set of lines but we don’t

(Also NBN is getting better. But like everything in australia has to start as a complete fuckup first)

[jade tartan]

also we pump oil products in pipelines across country's

god forbid live saving water be done

[strange crag]

yeah we know that bored!

[umbral cliff]

You also have people living in between cities though

[jade tartan]

tbf, i'd love to get an EV car if they were affordable

[umbral cliff]

We’re lucky if we have wildlife in some areas lol

[jade tartan]

sounds like the perfect areas for solar panels

to power some desal

[umbral cliff]

Electric trains between WA and east coast is pretty much impossible due to the lack of people

[strange crag]

we have wildlife everywhere - you just gotta look! 😉

[umbral cliff]

Desal already fully renewably powered

[jade tartan]

its an example idc how each utility is powered

[umbral cliff]

You also have the issue of people getting out there to maintain it

A huge cost to get someone to drive 100-400kms for one trip

[strange crag]

bored - the problem with solar and desal is you woudl need a shit tonne of solar to power one and seaside space is at a premium cos everyone wants to live there. Building a desal where there are no people would be an issue of sorts

[umbral cliff]

Think Melbourne’s desal is wind powered

Well would presume so given we have a lot of wind

(And is idea due to sea winds)

[strange crag]

it will draw directly from the grid - so only partially powered by renewable

[jade tartan]

oh sweet lord jesus, i meant, like i said after, it's an example i do not care in the least about how any utility is powered unless its my house

[strange crag]

heheeh

[jade tartan]

if you have 9001 acres free from anything but beating sun, seems like prime solar land

thats all

let it power battery powered kangaroos

[strange crag]

yes - but it might not be near water or you have to run pipes back to civilisation

[jade tartan]

i mean, we have internet cables running across each ocean.....

[strange crag]

we have energiser bunnies 😉

[jade tartan]

we have people floating around in space

i think some cables and pipe across one piece of land might be easy

[strange crag]

and you have a 73 trillion dollar debt, and plenty of people to make it happen, whereas Oz doesnt.

[jade tartan]

want some more of our criminals?

lol

[strange crag]

nah the status quo is all good in that regard lol

[jade tartan]

darn

worth trying

[strange crag]

we got enuff from the poms and made heroes of some of them too 😉

[jade tartan]

atleast you can ride your motorcycles year round basicly

crys in snow

[strange crag]

hehehe - you got snowmobiles? they are just motorbikes too

[jade tartan]

no 😦

also it's just cold as shit atm, but no snow on the roads

but i like my bike

i dont wana ride in salty roads

i need a shitty track bike or something

[strange crag]

yeah that would suck - but people do emigrate to warmer countries lol

[jade tartan]

yeah....... while aus is one place i'd be ok with visiting

i deff wouldnt wana stay

[strange crag]

you worried about those drop bears arent you?? lol

[jade tartan]

im a homebodie, i like being near my comfort zone

[strange crag]

move your comfort zone

[jade tartan]

i mean, ill be worried about them depending on your gun laws

lolol

[strange crag]

and since when has ice and snow been comfortable?

[jade tartan]

have you ever made a snow chair? they are perfectly formed to your body

so nice

[glacial knot]

nice and wet when you sit in them D:

[strange crag]

and freeze my arse off? no thanks

[glacial knot]

you know, you can always put on more clothes. But there's a limit (even worse in public) to how much you can take off

thus, cold is clearly better than heat

[finite atlas]

agreed

[strange crag]

in heat you can usually go swimming - or the aircon. And I would need to put on way too many clothes to move and my feet would still freeze 😉

[glacial knot]

Aircon? Outside?

[jade tartan]

see i like where i am

nice summers

cold winters to kill off all the bad insects

[finite atlas]

in heat you can sweat all day, while laying in the shadow and doing nothing for hours
while in winter you can toll around without becoming a human waterfall

[strange crag]

and you cant sit still cos you freeze!!!!!!!

[finite atlas]

not me

if you like the heat more, i wont stop you from going to such a place, but i'd love to move up far north

[strange crag]

I wont stop you from doing that stupid move either hehehehe (like what I did there)

say hi to the polar bears and tux for me

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-ineedthis-gif-8406586

[forest edge]

I don't know why motioneye works so well for me but I got this janky setup going now for the past few days where I pipe my wyze cameras into motioneye then output that into frigate and with using hwacc from nvidia it just flows smooth as butter

just wish motioneye could output anything other than mjpeg

[last cedar]

It is about as janky as blue iris tbh

Lots of people with issues using the built in deepstack ai

[forest edge]

well normally you wouldn't pipe a feed into something before into frigate but motioneye seems to be so good at clearing up the somewhat less than prestine rtsp feed from the wyze cams lol

I even tried using the motioneye feed as the detect while using the rtsp direct feed for the record but the videos don't look as good

[finite atlas]

a classic michelle

[forest edge]

why do you people post the same meme's over and over!

[clear ferry]

Mey mey

[glacial knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/924926519292350504/1640489415997.jpg

[glacial knot]

Now I want to play link between worlds again

[forest edge]

https://media.makeameme.org/created/overused-memes-overused.jpg

[tidal bronze]

I remember someone saying frigate is not needed etc etc. Now that someone is a frigate pro, life and times 😆

[clear ferry]

Frigate + coral is the shizzle

[umbral cliff]

What’s the best hardware to run pfsense/ opnsense on

Or is there better software/ hardware combo too

[clear ferry]

That would depend

On your connection

How many networks

Any kind of ids/ips

[umbral cliff]

I say prosumer, would run straight into a switch

So 1 network I guess?

[clear ferry]

One LAN, one WAN then

[umbral cliff]

Yeah that

Not horribly expensive if possible

[clear ferry]

Any $100 minicomputer will get you started

Or a nuc with dual nics

[umbral cliff]

Any recommendations?

I’ve got ideas for wifi (eventually), Poe switch, but need firewall

[clear ferry]

Lots of options like these on AliExpress

NOK 961.70 27%OFF | Eglobal Nuc Fanless Mini PC Windows 10 AES-NI pfSense OpenVPN Soft Router Computer Intel N3150/N3700 Quad Core 2.08GHz 2*Lans
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrRU51O

I used an older model, this one to route 600/600 for years

With 8 internal networks, including bgp

[forest edge]

I don't recall ever saying that lol

[clear ferry]

The j1900 variant

[forest edge]

I do recall saying something along the line sof a dedicated nuc with 40 tpu's wasn't needed tho lol

just get a netgate

[clear ferry]

Lol overpriced hardware from a shitty company run by bickering kids

[forest edge]

I admit it is a little overpriced but then they are specifically designed to maximize throughput

and would last a lot longer than some small pc tucked in a closet

[clear ferry]

For enterprise, sure

For consumer, not really

[forest edge]

I dunno, rather run an arm device where I don't need to tinker then a pc where you gotta fight your way through lol

[clear ferry]

Oh yeah

Such fighting

Boot an iso

Press install

Reboot

Wow

[forest edge]

then it overheats and falls apart

[clear ferry]

Yeah, that happens often, best regards a 18 year *sense user

[umbral cliff]

More expensive than atx’s solution

[forest edge]

well yea.. he linked to a celeron that costs 100 bucks

i mean...

[umbral cliff]

I will probably still stick with pfsense as the OS, since I’m used to it now, but hardware can be anything

[clear ferry]

Opnsense > pfsense

[umbral cliff]

For routing 3 peoples set of devices at max of 100mbps to the internet it isn’t crazy

[forest edge]

then go even cheaper.. use an rpi

[umbral cliff]

Maybe 40 devices max if we have guests too

[umbral cliff]

Yeah no. Not trusting one of those as my firewall lmao

[forest edge]

or even a cheap off the shelf router..

[umbral cliff]

Celeron is at least better

[clear ferry]

I routed all my services on a 600/600 plus 500 external users at some point though that j1900

[umbral cliff]

But I’m now used to pfsense so don’t want to change 😂

[forest edge]

uhh.. they are far more reliable than any pc

[umbral cliff]

Tell that to the SD card

[clear ferry]

So you'll be fine, until you need ids/ips

[umbral cliff]

What’s ids/ips

[forest edge]

so don't run an sd card..

[clear ferry]

Packet inspection

[umbral cliff]

Which adds cost

[clear ferry]

Lol pi

Kids toys

[forest edge]

an rpi3b+ with an eemc in an adapter is going to be the cheapiest most reliable solution you will ever find for that low need of demand

[umbral cliff]

Perfect for sonoma

[forest edge]

emmc

[umbral cliff]

And the cost?

[clear ferry]

Guessing 100$ plus

[forest edge]

look it up hater

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

Does the PI expose any bus that allows to run multiple NICs at full speed?

[forest edge]

lol rpi3 100 bucks? maybe in norway..

[clear ferry]

A pi4 has usable usb subsystem

Pi3 is useless as a router

[forest edge]

actually the rpi4 compute module and pci lol

[glacial knot]

I should check what we tested. I think there's a pretty early limit to the actual throughput of that USB

I only have 1 GBit USB adapter here though :/

[clear ferry]

On a pi3 the Ethernet uses usb internally afaik

Which is shite

[forest edge]

yea and it's usb2 lol

[glacial knot]

oh, did the 3 still do that? I think they were limited to fast ethernet as well when that was the case

[forest edge]

but still plenmty for low demand at 100mb's as he stated

[umbral cliff]

I do want to eventually be able to do gigabit symmetrical on the device though

[glacial knot]

1Gbit/s is low demand network 😂

[clear ferry]

Probably great for the American standard 500/2 connections

[glacial knot]

100Mb/s is IoT tier

[forest edge]

rpi 4 can do the 1gig

but not the 3

[dusky plank]

3 specs say 1gbit, though it is true that it uses the usb bus and reaches up to 300mbit something

[glacial knot]

also on a single port. If it's a firewall/router you want at least 2 ports

by the time you specced that Pi to something useful you can just buy something useful

[forest edge]

they make router boards for the rpi3 compute module too that don't use it's usb bus

[clear ferry]

And if you add a usb Ethernet adapter to the pi the reality will then be 150 per interface i guess

[umbral cliff]

I know the pi is great but I feel it’s pushing it for this

[dusky plank]

dont use a pi for firewall, no

[forest edge]

the rpi is a perfect network router/switch/ap

[glacial knot]

probably even less tbh.

[forest edge]

they have proven that over and over

[glacial knot]

compute module with PCI NICs could work. I think I've seen switch setups like that. But I'm unsure about their price

[forest edge]

problem is, it's not a simple plug and play in many cases

[clear ferry]

So just buy a proper computer

Problem solved

[glacial knot]

They've shown that it sucks as router/ap many times

[dusky plank]

if you want a sbc embedded router go banana pi router or sth

[forest edge]

the rpi4 compute module is being praised for being a solid nas as well

[glacial knot]

can't even do 4k and 2.4GHz 😂

[umbral cliff]

This spec look fine?

[clear ferry]

Probably

[dusky plank]

I bought the E3845 last year, works fine

[forest edge]

that thing is a turd lol

[dusky plank]

credits to @clear ferry 😘

[umbral cliff]

Other option is get an old dell optiplex from eBay and a PCIe NIC and do that

[clear ferry]

What you get for actually asking someone who knows networking

And not @forest edge

[forest edge]

yea and you remember who advides you when it dies in the middle of the night

[umbral cliff]

Myself

I just want hardware for this. I can manage myself

[clear ferry]

I should get around to play with carp

Since I now have two physical boxes

[umbral cliff]

I’ve just never bought firewall hardware before

And still so lost 😂

[clear ferry]

I used to run pfsense on a system i got from the local health department

They retired their old database server in 2004

It was a dual Pentium 3 with SCSI drives

The old hostname was viagra

I kept the sticker on

[umbral cliff]

What are the advantages of opnsense over pfsense apart from the company behind them

[clear ferry]

More aggressive for new features

Netgate cater to enterprise

And don't do big changes often

They used to be fun

Now they are just cunts

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with that, people like consistency

[umbral cliff]

Atx would you say any x86 based computer with dual nics is perfect for opnsense/ pfsense?

[forest edge]

updating to breaking shit is annoying

[umbral cliff]

Given you suggested a celeron then processing power isn’t too important?

[clear ferry]

Yes

If you don't need ids/ips

[forest edge]

depends what you plan to do with it

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I don’t. Not gonna be doing that. Just designed to protect my network and do basic port forwarding

[clear ferry]

Exactly

[umbral cliff]

And is AliExpress alright for computers like this?

[forest edge]

lol

[dusky plank]

yes

[forest edge]

I wonder what the delievery time to au is like from ali

[umbral cliff]

That one atx linked shows Jan 9 arrival. Though it’s usually about a week off

[forest edge]

I wouldn't trust those dates

[umbral cliff]

Like week sooner arrival

[dusky plank]

mine took about 6 weeks to eu, but you don't get them as chep anywhere

[forest edge]

that's cause ali just plays middle man to the manu

[umbral cliff]

After many other orders and them consistently arriving a week early to that date I trust it

[forest edge]

ah well your question about trust made me think you never ordered from them before

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I haven’t ever ordered a PC from them before

That’s where the trust is

Other smaller shit of course. Best place to get bmw trim clips lol

[proven spruce]

so what's the difference?

[clear ferry]

Usually 12-16 days from AliExpress for me

[umbral cliff]

$5 trim clips vs $150 PC

[forest edge]

you get what you pay for but it's not ali's fault

[umbral cliff]

Or $30 temp sensor

[umbral cliff]

Atx’s fault instead?

[proven spruce]

that's the same as not trusting amazon for anything more expensive

[clear ferry]

I don't trust Amazon for much anyway

https://tenor.com/view/risa-bezos-speedball-gif-19767173

[forest edge]

lol well atx dosen't pay mind to efficiency nor reliability so keep that in mind

[clear ferry]

Nah, don't need reliability thinking when you work with actual mission critical systems

[umbral cliff]

Says the one who recommended a pi

[clear ferry]

Fuck that reliability

[forest edge]

yea but there is work, then there is home.. then there is you with old retired work shit at home

[clear ferry]

Even if my servers are 12 years old, they never stop

Age has nothing to do with it

[forest edge]

and they dim the lights when they turn on

[clear ferry]

[tidal bronze]

🍿

[forest edge]

as i said #the-water-cooler message

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/vale-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-9979346

[forest edge]

at least amazon gives you a few options on who delivers.

fedex can kiss my ass

[umbral cliff]

They do? Never seen that

Go with whoever they chose

[clear ferry]

Lol American delivery

[umbral cliff]

At whatever delivery date they want

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/delivered-safely-delivered-package-delivered-mail-package-gif-12547197

[umbral cliff]

In australia Amazon usually goes with courier delivery (so StarTrack - auspost’s courier arm) and they’re usually okay

Since they can drop it at the post office if you miss I

*it

[forest edge]

sure it's diffrent in every country

[clear ferry]

Parcel delivery is so rare here we are surprised whenever it happens

[forest edge]

amazon has thier own delivery here but large items always go through either ups or fedex and fedex is absolute shit

everytime I ever gotten a package from fedex it's damaged

[tidal bronze]

Fedex is shit 🤔

[forest edge]

is fedex not shit in cali?

[umbral cliff]

I’ve had fedex be decent to deliver here from the USA too

[forest edge]

whats the thinking emoji about? lol

[umbral cliff]

How do you get your online orders

[clear ferry]

In the mailbox or the post office

[umbral cliff]

Ah interesting

That’s what imma have to deal with next year, gonna make good use of the free auspost parcel lockers given I’m in an apartment

[fallow karma]

Unless acid in your capacitors gone dry

[tidal bronze]

Never had any issues.

[forest edge]

you need to buy a lotto ticket then

[tidal bronze]

Did ages ago

[clear ferry]

I love that in the old Unix servers, power them down for firmware upgrade, never come up again

[forest edge]

every single package (course they are always large stuff like litterrobot or ramps) has come damaged and the box torn to hell

[umbral cliff]

Sounds like your local distribution network

[tidal bronze]

No paved roads ?

[umbral cliff]

Did you file a complaint?

[forest edge]

I rarely order stuff that sticks me with fedex

[clear ferry]

That's the murica Midwest for you

Gravel roads

[forest edge]

vs your pebble streets?

I actually don't mind gravel roads.. much better in the winter

[clear ferry]

Lol, a recruiting company has sent me three mails asking if they can call me about a job offering

Wonder what it is all about

[forest edge]

crazy how accurate frigate can be even when you degrade the quality of the detect video to almost 0

[clear ferry]

I should just reply with can you offer 32h work weeks, full wfh and $140k base pay I might be interested

[forest edge]

sure it's not your local mcdonalds needing a burger flipper?

[fallow karma]

Or maybe shovel the snow

[glacial knot]

oh, 32h work week. Not 32 work weeks/a

[forest edge]

wish dell didn't use proprietary heat sink mounts

love to slap a cheap aio in this case

btw on the subject before. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/two-tiny-dual-gigabit-raspberry-pi-cm4-routers is pretty good for cost

[glacial knot]

80€ + shipping? Meh

[forest edge]

cheaper for us in the states

[clear ferry]

Hard pass

[strange crag]

@umbral cliff if yoiu want a cheap server grade device then check out computerbank.org.au

[umbral cliff]

Ooh yeah that’s not bad

[strange crag]

they hav good stuff and the last time I checked they were in the heart of melbourne too.

[clear ferry]

That's good value

[umbral cliff]

Website says they’re closed till the 21st of Jan though lol

[strange crag]

I got a 5au IBM server with hot swap drives for $60 a long time ago tho

[umbral cliff]

Might look for similar stores in Canberra

[strange crag]

non in canberra - sydney and qld

[umbral cliff]

Even similar computer recyclers?

[strange crag]

greysonline.com.au maybe

[umbral cliff]

Might be some on the ex-gov haul then….

Minus HDD of course

[forest edge]

we use to have a place like that here. was like the best place to get second hand enterprise stuff as well as chairs, desks and file cabniets etc

[strange crag]

wont get the good prices tho - they're a business and charg appropriatley

[umbral cliff]

My friends have gotten gov surplus cabinets from auction, might be able to get similar stuff but committing

*computing

[strange crag]

when do you move to ACT?

[umbral cliff]

Jan 10 lol

[strange crag]

well thats gonna suck isnt it. May have to make a special trip to sydney (or back to melb)

[umbral cliff]

Well my unis student association has some e-waste computers I can grab to use lol

Best price of free

[strange crag]

also yoiu will probably be off air (internet wise) for 6 weeks since that seems to be the standard provisioning delay

[umbral cliff]

Nah, got internet within 24hrs (already have the place)

[strange crag]

WOW!

[umbral cliff]

Literally just contact aussie broadband and they had my order done by 12 the next day

[strange crag]

yeah the big T sux and optarse isnt that much better. Have heard good things about aussie broadband

[marsh scaffold]

I used to be with Aussie Broadband, they're fantastic

[strange crag]

Welcome to the madhouse Banana Fun!

[umbral cliff]

Even telstra can have their shit together at times. Just depends on nbn

[strange crag]

I used to work for big T - and that would surprise me if they had their shit together lol

[umbral cliff]

They have improved a lot in the last few years

Actually started to catch up

Optus are worse

[strange crag]

thats blasphemous!! 🙂

[umbral cliff]

I would definitely chose telstra over Optus lol

Telstra are alright too if you want a lot of international landline calls (which my family do). Comparable to aussie then

For price that is

Otherwise I would say aussie 100%

[strange crag]

I went to change over from O to T but suitable plans just arent there.

is aussie a T reseller?

[umbral cliff]

I’m talking fixed line so no reseller

Think mobile they’re Optus though

I find telstra has better reception for where I go so still sticking with them for my phone

(Which given I fly light aircraft for a hobby, I kinda want rural reception lol)

[strange crag]

yeah - found a few T only towns. Just had to suffer for a day or 2 till I moved on lol

expensive hobby!

do you do angel flight?

[umbral cliff]

Nah just hobby atm. Working towards my ppl

Lucky my parents offered to help fund it for my 18th

[strange crag]

yeah its not cheap!

would like to do that myself - maybe in the next life lol

closest I got was a glider licence - I mean solo licence in a glider

[forest edge]

@clear ferrydoes this meet your approval? lol https://www.amazon.com/Qotom-Desktop-Computer-Q150S-Windows/dp/B08KWBNDBR

[strange crag]

Damn discord - #general-archived is hidiing. If I click on the link I can get there, but as soon as I leave it its hidden again wtf?

[umbral cliff]

Did you click the support subheading

[umbral cliff]

That’s still pretty cool though

[strange crag]

I did not - but I see now that if I do it appears

its the only one that does cos all the rest are already visible

but now I hjave forgotten what I wanted with it in the first place ho hum😥

[umbral cliff]

Were the other ones unread?

[strange crag]

yeah the others are unread - and #general-archived should also have been unread

[forest edge]

been awhile since I looked at mini pc's.. certainly tell where all the old unsold intel chips went.

some of this crap is as old as my old dell pc with broadwell chips that they want like 200+ for

[clear ferry]

It'll work, but expensive

[forest edge]

was looking at this one https://www.amazon.com/Routing-Q710G4-Celeron-Gigabit-Firewall/dp/B09K5FRKY6 I do not want the realtek lans that are on so many

but 46 bucks in shipping ontop of that.. bleh lol

oh it went up, it's 49 now

[clear ferry]

AliExpress

[forest edge]

I think the amazon page orders it from there

yea ali is the same cost in shipping

would rather order it through amazon IF I went that route for the simple reason it's 1000x easier to return stuff through amazon lol

[clear ferry]

I haven't returned an item in a decade I think

[forest edge]

do you even have the option? lol

[clear ferry]

Yes

I actually have, my 4.8 year old drives started getting smart errors

So I returned those for new ones

Must have been in.. 2019

I think

So actually I have done it the last decade

[pale shadow]

Brrrrrrrrrr

[fallow karma]

In the Christmas Eve i fell down the stairs

Now I'm cruising and looking for some doctor

Because they don't answers phones today

Another one: i made to weak coolant mixture, and my car is frozen . Engine runs , but who knows for how long

[forest edge]

in mother russia you don't fall down stairs, stairs fall down you

[fallow karma]

So maybe it happened actually

[last cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693583922717523988/924782446925455430/IMG_0135.png

[fallow karma]

I misscalculated mixture or concentrate was fake

[forest edge]

do they not sell the pre mix coolant there?

or better yet.. why mix? just run straight coolant

[clear ferry]

We always mix for -30 here

[clear ferry]

Pre mixed nonsense 🤢

[forest edge]

lol nonsense

[clear ferry]

Someone put yellow coolant on my Audi

That was horrible

[forest edge]

whats yellow vs green there for you?

[clear ferry]

Green is only murica cars for me

Yellow I've only seen once

And it just turned slushy

Pink or red is what I've mostly had on Germans

[forest edge]

ah you all color code your coolants lol

[clear ferry]

Well no

[forest edge]

I don't know if they do that here in the US but the last time I bought coolant you couldn't go off color, just what the label stated since coolant by diff vendors would be diffrent colors but the same stuff

[clear ferry]

Colour denotes that properties it has

https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/antifreeze-products/antifreeze-education/engine-coolant

VAG is purple these days, but used to be red

[forest edge]

a lot of hogwash really

sure there is a difference cast and aluminum etc but all these "added" types are just bs to get the consumers to spend more

[clear ferry]

Tell yourself that and mix two different colours

[forest edge]

I dump whatever I have on hand

[fallow karma]

They're the same. Methylene Glycol

[forest edge]

when I was younger there was more of a diversty between cast blocks and aluminium but these days there are only a few vehicles that still use cast blocks

never seen a copper radiator so that seperation has to be more of a outside US thing

[fallow karma]

Copper radiator . I think cars made in 70 could use copper radiators. UAZ, Żuk, FIAT 125 and Polonez here in Poland.

[forest edge]

see

lol

so maybe for you all types of coolant is more dangerous.. but ours cars aren't made of tinfoil so we just dump whatever we have on hand in the tank

[clear ferry]

The bigger the fuel consumption, the better

Murica

[forest edge]

you say that but I'm pretty sure even our domestic is on par and even exceeds some of yours lol

here comes metric boy

[scenic radish]

I'll take a Japanese car over an American car any day

[forest edge]

in the 90's and 80's sure

[clear ferry]

Most cars here have done 85+ mpg for the last decade

[forest edge]

but these days american is just as good

[clear ferry]

With hybrids it is usually better

[scenic radish]

Despite the horrible requirement of using a specific type of coolant

[forest edge]

aside from the hummer, show me one that isn't lol

[clear ferry]

Even my 2007 A6 did 65mpg

[scenic radish]

I'm surprised I've been able to live with such a horrible inconvenience

[forest edge]

my 2006 truck does 65

[fallow karma]

They can't handle road salt , after 5 years in Mazda here you can fall down on the street through the floor

[clear ferry]

Which truck?

[fallow karma]

Scania is the truck

And MAN

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

exactly

[clear ferry]

Give me a truck model @forest edge

I'm waiting

[forest edge]

lol it's not 65 you fool.. it's a truck

[clear ferry]

Exactly

[forest edge]

no truck would ever get that high unless it was a hybrid of bio and eletric lol

[fallow karma]

Im too lazy for you math. My car uses 9l/100km in the city

[clear ferry]

My XC90 does 50 mpg, and that is a huge car with a beefy engine

31 then @fallow karma

[umbral cliff]

My 21 year old car does about 9-10L/100km in the city depending how harsh I ride it

Or 7.7 on a freeway

German car of course

[forest edge]

and btw atx your A6 wasn't 65mpg it's 29mpg

[clear ferry]

It was not

[forest edge]

look it up

unless your mpg is maths lol

[clear ferry]

I drove the car for 5 years and 150000km, I know what milage it did

[umbral cliff]

Listed efficiency is usually wrong

[clear ferry]

4.5l/100km

[umbral cliff]

So have to go by what you actually drive

[forest edge]

well according to manuifacture your shit was a unicorn

[clear ferry]

And he is probably comparing the US engine types

[fallow karma]

Of engine oil?

[clear ferry]

2.0tdi life

[umbral cliff]

I can’t talk shit about engine types. Manufacturers here have to adjust the engines to make do with our very shitty petrol here

So much Sulfur

[clear ferry]

Only 1.5 per 1000

[fallow karma]

4.5 l it's impossible. Ok, maybe if u drive only on the highway, up to 100km/h

[clear ferry]

Yes, i mostly did

I drove 40k km per year when I owned that car

[umbral cliff]

Impressive

I have just clicked over 10k km over the last 12 months

[fallow karma]

But short distances in the city can make it double or even triple

[forest edge]

@clear ferrythis outta deflate your ego lol https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091877_why-european-gas-mileage-ratings-are-so-high--and-often-wrong

[umbral cliff]

Still wouldn’t discredit his driving experience though

[forest edge]

his mpg is diffrent from ours

[fallow karma]

Our testing method are inacurate, i know that

[forest edge]

you can't even remote compare the two

the test is vastly diffrent

[umbral cliff]

How’s that? He measures in L/100km then converts

His personal driving experience

[clever mortar]

Real world figures on my car, I get as low as 40 MPG if I'm driving like a nutter, about 55 MPG "normal", and 70 MPG if I'm taking care

[umbral cliff]

Doesn’t matter what the test is

[forest edge]

well I hadn't real world tested my truck, can only go by whats printed

[clear ferry]

Also I measured the actual usage by starting at full tank and driving

[forest edge]

and whats printed is vastly diffrent

[clear ferry]

Then doing math

[umbral cliff]

Not hard to real world test. Reset the trip counter or record the start odo when you next fill to full, drive it then refill to full, record the fuel used and miles taken. Do the maths

[clear ferry]

The worst I ever had on the A6 was 46mpg, with a lot of cold running and city driving

[forest edge]

or just go off whats the rating is when the same vehicles are tested by the same standards

and his A6 was 29 mpg

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[forest edge]

under the same tests that list my full size truck at 21 mpg

[clear ferry]

With what engine?

[forest edge]

my truck is a 350 v8

[clear ferry]

Not what I was looking for

[umbral cliff]

The Audi I presume

[clear ferry]

I'm guessing they tested the A6 with a V6 or v8 petrol

[forest edge]

you'll have to look that up and post it for us

only you know what your unicorn was

[clear ferry]

I had a i4 diesel

But that probably isn't sold in the US

[umbral cliff]

This one right?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[forest edge]

see the diffrent mpg ratings

[umbral cliff]

Combined fuel consumption sounds about right for that based on your figures

[umbral cliff]

No that’s because the UK uses different gallons to you lol

[forest edge]

typical EU infalting thier numbers to look cool

[umbral cliff]

1 US Gal =! 1 UK gal

[clear ferry]

But that is the number I gave

6/100

46mpg

[clear ferry]

As the worst

[forest edge]

so once again, I go back.. our domestic is on par with yours

[clear ferry]

No

Because you sell the same cars with larger engines, they cannot be on par

[umbral cliff]

The USA does not get the smaller engines either. So even if you want to be fuel efficient you’re forced to buy big too

[fallow karma]

You say 6/100, but under my foot it will be about 9.5

[forest edge]

you are literally grabbing at straws, many of the cars it's the same damn engine

@umbral cliffeven posted the diffrence

[umbral cliff]

But atx talked in L/100km? Not mpg?

[forest edge]

he didn't state

[fallow karma]

I had same car as my dad, C4 Picasso 1.6 HDi. His did 6/100, mine 9.5

[forest edge]

good question, did you mean L/km atx?

[umbral cliff]

And definitely wrong. My cars generation of bmw had no 4 cyl in the USA. They only got the 6 cyl

[clear ferry]

Pretty sure all BMWs in the US come with V6 or v8 in the us

[umbral cliff]

He was pretty obvious @forest edge

[forest edge]

yes some models were diffrent but some are the same

that is the point when comparing

[fallow karma]

Bmw didn't like V in the past
They've made R6

[umbral cliff]

But if you can’t chose the smaller engines then the average will go less efficient. Because you just can’t do it

[clear ferry]

Oh right, they are weirdos with their I6

[umbral cliff]

German so makes sense

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/inglorious-basterds-call-me-call-happy-ecstatic-gif-3892199

[forest edge]

this pretty much answers it all #the-water-cooler message

[umbral cliff]

What does it answer?

That 6L/100km is similar to what atx said?

Given that’s a combined value

[clear ferry]

It is exactly what I got at the worst

[forest edge]

so 29mph is most likely accurate

mpg

[clear ferry]

No

[forest edge]

how not

[umbral cliff]

39 mpg is equivalent to 47 mpg is equivalent to 6L/100km

They’re the same number different unit

[forest edge]

exactly

[clever mortar]

Maths is hard

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/redneck-wut-country-what-in-tarnation-tarnation-gif-10883963

[umbral cliff]

So what don’t you understand. ATX gave figures of his driving in L/100km

[forest edge]

he was comparing eu mpg to us mpg as if they were the same, i'm assuming since he was boasting about his high numbers

[umbral cliff]

It’s not EU mpg, it’s UK mpg

[forest edge]

wasn't till I found that article and you posting that image showing the diffrences in how they are caculated

[umbral cliff]

Because the EU uses L/100km

[forest edge]

whatever

[umbral cliff]

4.5L/100km becomes 52 US mpg

[clear ferry]

All I did was plug in numbers here

https://mpg.webix.co.uk/

[umbral cliff]

Your article has nothing to do with what I posted. I posted showing how the Uk uses imperial gallons not us gallons

[umbral cliff]

Yeah that’ll give you UK MPG

[forest edge]

chrome says that site is whacked lol

[umbral cliff]

Blame the UK for not just using scientific units

Or the US too

[forest edge]

I blame atx for trying to compare apples to apples

[umbral cliff]

Atx should’ve just converted to us mpg

Which is 50mpg

[forest edge]

then add a dash Not only are European tests unrealistic, but automakers exploit loopholes in the testing, further blurring the lines between rated efficiency and real-world results and presto

[clear ferry]

I prefer proper mpg

None of that Budweiser's per football field

[umbral cliff]

So why doesn’t atx notice a huge difference in fuel efficiency. Him recording under should be a sign that they’re still accurate

[forest edge]

I feel better knowing my truck's rated mpg is on par with his fancy car lol

[clear ferry]

Lol fancy car

[umbral cliff]

21 vs 39 when was that on par

[clear ferry]

Y'all got some of them cars with four tires?

[forest edge]

21 to 29 by us standards

that is on par

it's a truck

[umbral cliff]

Where’s this US standards shit coming from

From the larger engine?

[brisk glen]

Hey now, don’t shit on my 30mpg Toyota Yaris 2008

[umbral cliff]

Okay let’s test the larger engine for your truck. Or how about we compare a jet engine vs a 0.9L engine

[forest edge]

got something against 4 tires? think your 3 tire cars are better?

[clever mortar]

70% is really close to 100% ... certainly "on par"

[forest edge]

when you take into account truck vs car

it is on par

[brisk glen]

My tiny ass car gets 30mpg

[umbral cliff]

So basically because it’s a truck you get to add tolerances? If that’s how the USA is doing mpg analysis then that’s stupid

[forest edge]

uh

do i need to answer that?

[clever mortar]

It's not how the USA does it, just him 😉

[brisk glen]

USA has highway vs freeway

[forest edge]

do you think a brick flys through the air as efficiently as a pencil?

[brisk glen]

Depends on which direction

Downward? Yes

[forest edge]

lol

[brisk glen]

They will reach their destination at the same time

[clever mortar]

If 21 MPG is close to 29 MPG then your baseline is screwed ||or possibly just normal for the USA and single digit MPG being considered good||

[brisk glen]

See hummers

[umbral cliff]

Whilst the rest of the world has the more sensible urban vs non-urban

[brisk glen]

People like to drive tanks on the freeway here

[umbral cliff]

Are they even a whole number efficiency 😂

[forest edge]

I started with aside from hummer lol

[fallow karma]

I don't trust cars that burns less than 10l/100km. Man have to feed his horses 😎

[forest edge]

21 is close to 29 with the factors involved. not like we are comparing car to car

[umbral cliff]

So 29 vs 21 equals 3L/100km difference in usage. Say we go with 20,000km driving over 1 year, that’s 600L of fuel saved.

If we go by Australian fuel prices right now, that’s AU$1.56/L (US$1.13/ €1.00), thus those 3L/100km difference would save you AU$950 a year

That’s not a small number

[forest edge]

whats your point?

that aussies shouldn't drive trucks?

[umbral cliff]

Your ‘around the same’ doesn’t actually work out

[brisk glen]

Well if you factor in Houston Texas roads

You are lucky to get 25 Mpg on a Yaris rated for 35

[forest edge]

we're not all price gouged as you tho..

[umbral cliff]

Now if we actually use the correct figure for atx’s car (6L/100km), that’s 5L/100km saved, so 1000L

[umbral cliff]

Okay what about the fact you’re not burning 600L of fossil fuels

Or 1000L

That’s a fair point to have too

[brisk glen]

And before electric car 🚘

[forest edge]

his 29mpg is based off us gallon..

[brisk glen]

How much fossil fuel are you burning charging the thing

[umbral cliff]

How do you get 6L/100km into 29mpg

That’s not a proper conversion

[forest edge]

us dosen't rate vehicles by uk

[umbral cliff]

Okay? You’re still not doing the maths right

[forest edge]

his 29 came from the same car being rated by us system

[umbral cliff]

By what measurement did you get that? By using a larger engine?

[brisk glen]

F math, take the same car model from the us and Europe and compare their ratings

[forest edge]

same engine

[umbral cliff]

Like a lot of European cars the smaller engines didn’t make it to the USA

[brisk glen]

Take a Toyota Yaris

[umbral cliff]

Okay got proof? So far you just talk and talk

[brisk glen]

Small ass engine

[umbral cliff]

But don’t actually provide anything

[forest edge]

wht is up with this yaris? lol

your stuck on it

[brisk glen]

My car :p

I’m being lazy instead of saying a Toyota Highlander or something

Or the Ford Fusion death cage

Or the Ford Fiesta death lock

Which ford car was known for its death wobble?

Ford F-150, Ford F-250, Ford F-350 pickup

[clever mortar]

Ford == Found On Road, Dead

[brisk glen]

Mercia

[umbral cliff]

American

[brisk glen]

I would never buy an American car

[umbral cliff]

Don’t forget the ford pinto where they found it was cheaper to pay out for death than to fix a safety issue

[forest edge]

why?

was atx's a6 a 4 banger?

[brisk glen]

Because we cut corners for profit

[umbral cliff]

The 2.0tdi as he said

[brisk glen]

200k miles and I probably have 100k at least left in my engine

[forest edge]

so yea 4 banger

[brisk glen]

Not on an American car

[forest edge]

oh it's also diesel

holy hell no wonder the numbers were so high (aside from the inflation)

[umbral cliff]

Your truck isn’t a diesel?

[brisk glen]

At least it’s not e85

[umbral cliff]

But also what numbers have you discovered? Close to 38mpg?

[umbral cliff]

What’s e85?

[forest edge]

yea the manu rates his engine at 39

[brisk glen]

E85 Gas (or flex fuel) is a mixture of gasoline and ethanol and designed to operate Flex Fuel Cars. It is a renewable energy made by fermenting and distilling corn. E-85 contains mix of 51% – 83% ethanol with unleaded gasoline.

[umbral cliff]

Oh we only have E10 as a max here, which is 91 octane. Then also have plain 91, and plain 95 & 98

[forest edge]

but he was trying to compare a 4 banger diesel to gasoline

[brisk glen]

We don’t get to choose

[forest edge]

was never going to pair

we have some diseal cars

[brisk glen]

They put ethanol in our gas up to 7-8%?

[forest edge]

or did

[brisk glen]

Volkswagen diseal fraud

[forest edge]

says up to 10% on the pumps.. it's also why us cars eat through rubber hoses so fast

[umbral cliff]

GM being the push behind the takata airbag recall too (since they were the first customer) then everyone else copied the cost saving airbag

[umbral cliff]

Given the cost of petrol elsewhere in the world not a bad offset

[brisk glen]

Almost like our taxes… we make stupid changes to “generate more jobs”

[forest edge]

when our gas gets too high the goverment steps in and lowers it lol

[brisk glen]

Pfft, gas’s prices here are insane

[forest edge]

in texas?

[brisk glen]

I see places $4 per gallon in Texas

[forest edge]

along the cost or inland?

[brisk glen]

Cali is insane

$5 per gallon

[forest edge]

gas here is like 2 bucks

[umbral cliff]

Glad they prioritise petrol over investing in actual infrastructure 😂

[forest edge]

loaded statement

[umbral cliff]

Rail & other public transport is important

[forest edge]

we have it all

[clear ferry]

So you mean normal petrol prices for the rest of the world

[forest edge]

whats your point?

[brisk glen]

Important? We don’t do that here

[forest edge]

even about to have the hypertunnel or whatever they are calling it these days

[umbral cliff]

Really? I hear so many stories of people who don’t have access to even a bus. Or that trains aren’t easily accessible to travel long distances. That cars are needed for most travel

[umbral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/scam-alert-alarm-siren-gif-16909334

[clear ferry]

We pay USD8.4 per gallon currently

[forest edge]

depends where you live. pretty sure even AU has rural areas

[brisk glen]

Metro is for the poor and or rapists, everyone else drives a car here in Texas

[last dirge]

I pay about $2 for a "full tank"

[forest edge]

lies!

[umbral cliff]

How close is your nearest bus stop then? Or how long would it take to get to the city centre if you don’t live there

[umbral cliff]

Is your tank only a litre

[brisk glen]

People look shady as hell at our buss stops

[forest edge]

within walking distance.. takes me 5 mins to get downtown lol

[last dirge]

no lies, I'm filling up right now

angry pixies go in

zoom comes out

[forest edge]

you got solar.. thats why it's 2 bucks for a "full tank"

[clear ferry]

Atlanta had been waiting 20 years for a working tram system when I was there in 2020, and it wasn't even begun yet

[last dirge]

no solar

[clear ferry]

Is that still true @last dirge

[forest edge]

don't think it's 2 bucks to recharge one of those off the grid

[umbral cliff]

$4.78 per gal for 98 premium petrol here

[last dirge]

got cheapish electricity though

[umbral cliff]

What’s the capacity of a Tesla battery?

[last dirge]

scared, bigoted white people are keeping that from happening

[forest edge]

what it cost you to fill up at one of those charge station?

[clear ferry]

As normal then @last dirge

[umbral cliff]

Read into how the USA pt system is poor: https://www.vox.com/videos/21529609/usa-public-transit-trains-buses-cars

[last dirge]

mine's 75kWh

[brisk glen]

Oil companies

[forest edge]

@umbral cliffyou need to be careful what you read. context is everything

[umbral cliff]

$18.75 aud for a full charge then

[last dirge]

supercharger? like $5 or so

[brisk glen]

United corporations of America

[forest edge]

$5 at near empty?

that's pretty good

[last dirge]

no, scared, bigoted white people

they're afraid criminals will ride the train into the suburbs and rob them

then return on the train

[umbral cliff]

So what context is there? Plenty of articles talking about how the US public transport system is critically under funded and under invested in. Look at the massive roads and parking lots you have, you don’t need those if you have good PT

[last dirge]

and also "only poor people use public transit"

[brisk glen]

Their catalytic converters are already getting robbed

Guys with cars full of them are getting caught all the time

[forest edge]

plenty of articles that say alot of things about alot of countries too