#the-water-cooler
clear ferry
glacial knot
no
clear ferry
subtle pasture
There was actually an interesting article where someone power-capped a 12700k at 25w
finite atlas
feel free to share it
dusky plank
the m1max draws 40w and destroys that i5 12
dusky plank
intel is practically dead
subtle pasture
Alder lake is actually very, very efficient. It just boosts stupid high by default 🤷♀️
I love that their load temperature was only 30c during that test. lol
finite atlas
the thing is, intel has to decide which road they want to go
efficient cpu's or fast cpu's, choose one
subtle pasture
They can do both, honestly...
dusky plank
intel: yes
subtle pasture
You're going to see power-capped 12th gen CPUs in laptops
dusky plank
just put more power into it
subtle pasture
And they're going to perform amazingly well for the amount of power they sip
finite atlas
just put more power into it
bulldozer
subtle pasture
the thing is, intel has to decide which road they want to go
efficient cpu's or ...
12th gen is literally both. It's a big.LITTLE architecture. lol
This i5 I'm sitting on has 6 big cores and 4 little cores.
subtle pasture
It's power efficient because of that, more than anything
clear ferry
Big.big 
subtle pasture
In intel's case, it allows them to fit 4 little cores in the same amount of die space as one big core, which is how you get a 10-core i5 that only uses the equivalent die space of a 7-core all-big-core CPU.
finite atlas
they should have done that back with 6th gen cpu's
subtle pasture
For laptops, that means they can prioritize little cores while on battery and save power. For desktops, that means they have a bank of additional cores they can access for highly-threaded workloads. Kinda a win-win
finite atlas
yeah especially since most applications only have one or two main threads
subtle pasture
e'yup. You don't actually need that many big cores
In fact, Raptor lake (13th gen) is slated to have the same maximum of 8 big cores, but doubles the little core count from a maximum of 8 to a maximum of 16
finite atlas
for now tho, the cpu's i have are fine for my tasks
subtle pasture
So we'll have a 8+16, 24 core / 32 thread Core i9 hit the market some time late in 2022.
Hah, CPUz happens to have my old CPU in their list of reference processors. That's... one hell of an improvement...
What a difference 7 years makes >.>
clear ferry
That's also a lot of years
Heck, it is almost the average age of the #330990055533576204 userbase 🥳
subtle pasture
My only real complaint is that I lost some memory bandwidth and PCIe lanes vs. the old platform
Going from 7 year old HEDT to current-gen non-HEDT still isn't an across-the-board upgrade, sadly
There's a reason HEDT systems are so expensive. They have features 7+ years in advance >_>
PCIe lanes went down from 40 to 20 (granted, they're now PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 rather than 3.0), and memory went down from 90 GB/s (quad channel DDR4) to 50 GB/s (dual channel DDR4).
I really wish Intel had brought quad-channel DDR4 down to mainstream desktops for 12th gen. It'd be kicking DDR5's ass right now...
finite atlas
in the end all that matters for me is, that the pc is affordable, donst consume tons of power and works well enough for my day to day tasks
why didnt you go for a ddr5 mainboard?
subtle pasture
Because you literally can't buy DDR5 right now...
subtle pasture
Also, 1st gen DDR5 is actually kinda' crap. Good DDR4 can still match it on clockspeed, with better timings.
DDR5 will (eventually) scale well past 6 GHz, where it'll outperform DDR4 handily... but it's not there yet...
finite atlas
why did you bought it rn then and not waited for a month or two?
subtle pasture
DDR5 won't be available in a month or two. lol
Maybe some time near the end of 2022... maybe...
There are major supply chain issues surrounding the power regulators that go onto DDR5 memory sticks.
DDR4 has power regulation on the motherboard. You buy all the power regulation you'll ever need for your DDR4 RAM when you buy your motherboard.
DDR5 has power regulation on every individual stick, and the power regulators are about 10x more expensive. There's currently a 35 week lead-time on getting an order of said regulators.
finite atlas
ouch
subtle pasture
So yeah, if you place an order for the power regulators right now, you'll get them in about 9 months
finite atlas
luckily i'm not in that bubble anymore
subtle pasture
I already had 32GB of DDR4 from my previous system, so I just reused that and called it a day...
finite atlas
understandable
subtle pasture
12th, 13th, and 14th gen are all currently set to use the same socket, and all of them will have a dual memory controller supporting both DDR4 and DDR5
I imagine Intel is anticipating issues with DDR5 supply for some time to come...
strange crag
there are lead times on LOTS of hardware. Major supply lines are broken due to limited production facilities of certain items.
subtle pasture
I mean, yeah, though that doesn't seem to be impacting intel (or DDR4) all that much
Probably helps that intel makes a lot of their hardware in the US
glacial knot
also helps that intel got their own fabs
subtle pasture
Yup, 2 more are about to come online, and they just started construction on a 3rd. All of them in the US.
glacial knot
they did deprecate hardware ahead of time quite a bit on the lower end
Because they shifted capacity to their more up to date/higher value products
strange crag
Isee that apple and samsung are getting heavily into neural processors in all their latest phones. My question is this:- How come the likes of Intel and AMD are not doing the same for their cpu lines?
subtle pasture
Because you can just install a PCIe card with waaaaay more AI processing power than any ARM SoC
Nvidia GPUs, and Google Coral TPUs, for example
strange crag
but apparently even the likes of the humble r-pi is impacted by supply shortages.
but are those gpu's and tpu's programmed for ai like a phone is?
glacial knot
it's just matrix multiplication at the end /shrug
strange crag
the futureof computing is definitely AI
subtle pasture
One would hope they use the same high-level language, sure
glacial knot
r-pi is one of the first to be impacted. they have no stable supply chain
glacial knot
the futureof computing is definitely AI
ehh. It's going to be part of the future, but not the future
subtle pasture
the futureof computing is definitely AI
I mean, yeah, Nvidia threw a ton of weight behind AI to make raytracing workable in real-time. lol
strange crag
however the upshot of the supply chain problem is the rising prices of electronics.
subtle pasture
Modern real-time raytracing is actually fairly coarsely rendered. They use dedicated AI processing hardware on the GPU to fill in the gaps, rather than actually rendering at full resolution.
strange crag
@subtle pasture is that actual ai - or just huge paarallelism required for raytracing?
subtle pasture
They use both. They raytrace a course frame, and then use AI to upscale it and fill in all the gaps between the rays.
Because apparently it's faster to use AI to finish the frame than it is to actually raytrace at full resolution
glacial knot
judging from how long the cpu tracers in stuff like blenders take...
strange crag
@glacial knot Putting on my futurist hat you are correct it will be part of the future, because "computing" as we know it today will cease to exist. Replaced by ai that can run stuff all by itself. Whether that is for the benefit of mankind or not is to be determined lol. Any access we need to compute power can probably be dialed up (cloud wise) from right inside our skulls with implants at an early age!
subtle pasture
The left half is pre-AI denoising. The right half is after AI is done with it.
They aren't even casting 1 ray per-pixel
it'd be too slow
strange crag
thats hard to tell as the border of the two halves are at the shadow line - and pictures in the dark are notoriously lousy to start with
subtle pasture
It's dark because they filled the non-casted area with black rather than gray
It's pretty obvious that AI is doing a fuck-ton of heavy lifting there...
strange crag
yeah - but you are under the roofline of the building whereas the right half is out in sunlight
if the picture was all in sunlight or all in shade just saying it would be better for the example
strange crag
much better !
subtle pasture
I still think the first example was obvious 🤷♀️
Their AI denoising algorithm is pretty impressive
strange crag
yes it is
brisk glen
Isee that apple and samsung are getting heavily into neural processors in all th...
because apple is all about that unified memory
strange crag
what then is samsungs reason?
brisk glen
android is finally getting it because they now see the limitations of trying to do everything in google's cloud
subtle pasture
Phones mostly use AI for image processing, at this point. Makes things like facial recognition faster.
And I'm sure it's being used for image processing from the main camera, as well
Maybe also some background noise suppression for calls 🤷♀️
brisk glen
image/photo and doing the voice assistant on device
hah and that
my recipe app has a ML model now for when the metadata way of grabbing fails
subtle pasture
Ah yeah, voice recognition. Being able to do that on-device is so much better than having to upload all audio to the cloud for processing
brisk glen
so even websites trying to stop me from grabbing that cookie recipe get scraped now
subtle pasture
That's one of the reason 3rd gen Amazon Echo devices are so much faster than 1st and 2nd gen. They do way WAY more voice recognition on-device
I imagine part of the reason you aren't seeing AI acceleration built into x86 CPUs is because x86 CPUs are so much faster than ARM SoCs that they can just run this sort of thing in software...
subtle pasture
Eh? An x86 CPU can do voice recognition no problem
brisk glen
my 2w google coral runs circles around an i9 Desktop with image processing
subtle pasture
Yeah, and for large bulk operations, you'd use a TPU or GPU
But you really don't need a dedicated TPU for the Alexa app to work on a PC...
brisk glen
ah yah, I have been with apple for soo long that I forgot that the GPU has the TPU
subtle pasture
Works just fine using CPU-based voice recognition
And Windows Hello also manages to do facial recognition without dedicated hardware
brisk glen
you can always do it without the dedicated hardware, its just not power efficent
subtle pasture
Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily need to be power efficient if it's not a long-running bulk operation
Logging into your PC with your face only happens rarely
subtle pasture
Yeah, you're not an average user. lol
brisk glen
@subtle pasture every apple photos user does this 😛
even my mom without knowing she does
subtle pasture
I've processed photos for years without a TPU. What are you using it for?
brisk glen
its doing object recognization, people recognization, identifying text in a photo and OCRing it along with handwriting
subtle pasture
Ah, see, we're doing completely different kinds of image processing. lol
brisk glen
well when I get to image editing, its nice to be able to easly grab a person
subtle pasture
I'm sitting here with lightroom and photoshop not knowing wtf you'd need a TPU for
subtle pasture
Generally the bottleneck with OCR is the speed at which you can scan the pages, not the CPU...
An x86 CPU can OCR a page long before you can finish scanning the next one
umbral cliff
Hey you don’t know whether someone might have a stupid fast scanner 😛
(I imagine a photo based one might be rivalling)
subtle pasture
Yeah, I've seen fast book scanners. They're not that fast
brisk glen
the handwriting identification is a ML model
subtle pasture
paper has physical limitations. lol
The Project Gutenberg book scanner is brilliant, though
brisk glen
my god, paper.... we have to scan a lot
because other regions cant get their shit together
strange crag
and even nicely printed on a paper page the ocr gets it wrong.
subtle pasture
heh, is handwriting recognition that slow? I've been using it since 2003 in applications like OneNote
And computers in 2003 were slow as balls compared to today >_>
brisk glen
usually inaccurate as hell
umbral cliff
The quality would be different though even if the speed is the same
Handwriting recognition is fast and accurate I’ve found recently
subtle pasture
it's pretty magical handwriting into OneNote and watching it convert into editable text in real time behind your stylus.
umbral cliff
But old style required more accurate handwriting
low harness
Handwriting recognition is very different from OCR because you have another dimension of data.
subtle pasture
usually inaccurate as hell
It was actually pretty accurate if you had a stylus and were writing real-time, because it had all the pen-stroke information, rather than just the pre-written handwriting.
strange crag
going back to the phones using the ai cores for photo processing. Phones now have 4+ cpu cores as good as desktop ones of a couple of years ago. Surely they dont need to use the ai when the standard cpu's are capable?
brisk glen
I could never get into oneNote, I hated the page freeness
umbral cliff
Handwriting recognition is very different from OCR because you have another dime...
Also the fact that some people (like myself) have terrible handwriting
brisk glen
@subtle pasture oh thats a completely different story
umbral cliff
I could never get into oneNote, I hated the page freeness
At least in the old desktop version you could force it to only be A4 page, etc
brisk glen
if you are writing into the app, thats easy to be accurate
umbral cliff
Was quite nice
brisk glen
sucks on a phone since it does not text reflow
now I do everything in markdown
but yah, processing handwriting as you draw is easy, from a scanned document is HARD
strange crag
joke - why do doctors dictate to medical transciption machines? Answer - cos even OCR cant read a doctors handwriting!
umbral cliff
but yah, processing handwriting as you draw is easy, from a scanned document is ...
Well depends on how the scanned document is. If it’s nicely formatted text then that’s easier than if it’s chicken scratch
subtle pasture
The real issue is overlapping characters or rows
You have to try and separate that out when you're dealing with a scanned page of handwriting
brisk glen
Im happy that my phone and laptop can do all of this virtually live without being a space heater
subtle pasture
Now I'm curious how much AI processing grunt intel's integrated GPUs have. Hmm...
low harness
joke - why do doctors dictate to medical transciption machines? Answer - cos eve...
You know what they say... ```
I
do
not
know
where
family
doctors
acquired
illegibly
perplexing
handwriting;
nevertheless,
extraordinary
pharmaceutical
intellectuality,
counterbalancing
indecipherability,
transcendentalizes
intercommunications’
incomprehensibleness
They slap one of those on every CPU, these days
strange crag
I must admint that I havent yet tried it with my desktop, but it should be capable
subtle pasture
Ah, yup, there it is. Intel GPUs have "dedicated Xe Matrix eXtensions (XMX) matrix engines, which offer hardware-accelerated AI processing."
So intel CPUs (the ones with integrated graphics) do have AI processing onboard 🤷♀️
subtle pasture
Any intel CPU with an "F" suffix lacks an iGPU, yeah
strange crag
not the half dead cpu's (celeron etc)
brisk glen
so that rules out a lot of laptops
subtle pasture
laptops are more likely to have integrated intel graphics than desktops, though?
strange crag
if you do a /cat/proc/cpuinfo - what do you need to grep to determine if it has it?
subtle pasture
It probably won't show up there because it's a GPU. lol
strange crag
well cpuinfo list a LOT of stuff including some extra instructions sets etc
subtle pasture
Also worth mentioning that the intel GPU tends to get disabled if you have a discreet card installed
dusky plank
that is bios dependent
subtle pasture
Though you can generally twiddle some options in your BIOS to get both at once
@dusky plank I'm well aware, but that's the behavior I've seen out of practically every computer I've ever touched
Install PCIe card? Intel GPU vanishes unless you specifically enable it.
dusky plank
I have one right in front of me, igpu disabled but still shows up and is ready
brisk glen
Man, their hardware used to be fantastic
dusky plank
it still is
that's just a stupid bios in this machine
setting igpu to disabled was the only way to have all gpus show up (igpu and 3 pci gpus)
wise whale
Are there any linux wizards around that understand fuses and docker?
I built an image that holds blobfuse and want to bind a local volume to the container's data directory (/localdir:/data)
That does not fail, but files don't appear at the host. Where I log onto the container and navigate to the data folder, all files are retrieved from storage account, but only visible in the container itself.
I clearly don't understand how this works, maybe you can enlighten me a bit?
dusky plank
tell what exactly you want to achieve in the channel of your install method
glacial knot
is this your ha container? because then 
otherwise off-topic fits^^
wise whale
nope, not ha, hence in offtopic
dusky plank
kk, my bad
dusky plank
restart the service you want to view the files from inside the container
wise whale
what service is that exactly?
I found a repo that has similar code: https://github.com/jeffreybreen/docker-ubuntu18-blobfuse
blobfuse is in the container, mounting the fused folder to a host directory outside the container.
blobfuse info: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/storage/blobs/storage-how-to-mount-container-linux
dusky plank
I have no idea what service you try to make run or build
dusky plank
but seeing a windows icon in combination with docker 🤢
wise whale
don't get fooled by the icon, this is all on a debian host
it allows a directory to be mounted to cloud storage
dusky plank
it's got to be awfully slow
wise whale
files are cached in RAM, then sync'd to the cloud in the background
dusky plank
why would you do these cruesome things?
wise whale
because I hate myself
dusky plank
get some help
umbral cliff
At least you're honest
wise whale
trying to understand stuff.. but hopelessly stuck so, yes, probably better to abandon this miserable idea before someone else gets hurt in the process...
plucky sparrow
clear ferry
Thank Dog
static schooner
it'll be Beta Friday, though
hopefully the camel will still make a Friday appearance
real mantle
Did I hear correctly, no release today?
last cedar
The camel ate the release
static schooner
scenic radish
clear ferry
To anyone who has issues with Google home hub freezing with a gray screen
Factory reset did not work
Unplugging the cord 11 times did
scenic radish
Mine randomly reboots at least one per week
clear ferry
Never had issues with it before today when I moved it for washing the kitchen
last cedar
Never had issues with it before today when I moved it for washing the kitchen
You shouldn't wash the kitchen with your google home hub
orchid rose
Made something just for you atx
clear ferry
orchid rose
Not a fan?
lucid cloak
So the Twitch integration is just if someone is live or not, does anyone know if its possible (even with other software) for stuff like subs,bits,etc to automate actions within HA?
brisk glen
4 thread devices on my network 0.0
Oh… this is interesting, they show up on my network with an ipv6 address with a mdns multicast
tulip laurel
Anyone interested in actual networking? I’m moving to Austin Tx in a month or so. Anyone in that area? #texas #austin #meetup
forest edge
was it the "moving to austin texas" the giveaway?
hollow glacier
it was the talking in hashtags
static schooner
#hellofellowyouths
hollow glacier
dusky plank
fathers christmas present? gibe me ideas hive mind pls
clear ferry
3d printed childhood pictures of you in a lithophane cube with esp based lighting inside
glacial knot
qemu/kvm is surprisingly bad in a ryzen 3 4450U
clear ferry
Is anything good in ryzen?
glacial knot
Is anything good in ryzen?
Get me an itanium laptop
clear ferry
🤢
dusky plank
look what i found!
low harness
I don't think I've ever seen one that's not Apple branded...
clever mortar
I had a load of them, none were Apple. Then again, that was checks calendar a long long time ago
finite atlas
i have them aswel!! just with bigger capacities
clear ferry
Never seen a microdrive before, but I still see plenty of CF
Hey, we even have a wiki article for a hp one
The story of HP Kittyhawk is described in a Harvard Business School business case "Hewlett-Packard: The Flight of the Kittyhawk", and is a case study in the book The Innovator's Dilemma by Clayton M. Christensen.
analog crow
Microdrives were used in the Palm life drive, near the end of OG Palm's life cycle.
tulip laurel
it was the talking in hashtags
Dang it
dusky plank
Acer n10 here, cheap ass
glacial knot
I got a delivery :0
junior burrow
off topic question here
does win11 really worth the try or should i stay on win10?
unkempt sage
found w11 smoother than 10 on my XPS laptop as well. Only thing broken is F5 VPN client software.
and even F5 can be sorta fixed if we turn off some of the security controls ona test machine
junior burrow
thanks for all the feedback, i dont know if im going to make the switch yet, im going to investigate a little further
umbral cliff
thanks for all the feedback, i dont know if im going to make the switch yet, im ...
Dual booting or VM is the best way to try
finite atlas
does win11 really worth the try or should i stay on win10?
dont touch a system, if it aint broke
stay on 10 until its EOL
personally, i'll move in 2024 or so, when windows 11 LTSC is released, the actual stable build and not the public beta test program
clear ferry
Win11 is great tbh
subtle pasture
Interestingly, I just upgraded to new hardware that passes all checks for Windows 11 compatibility, and Windows Update has yet to offer Windows 11 to me
static schooner
subtle pasture
Meh, I can wait. intel 12th gen actually seems to work just fine on Windows 10 🤷♀️
finite atlas
which ones exactly?
brisk glen
those nanoleaf
I ended up paying $15 per bulb
multicolor as well
not ha ready yet sadly
or might be, I need to see what is exposed since it is on my wifi network through the homekit border router
clear ferry
New COVID restrictions say I should have fewer close contacts
What if I have 0
Should I kick the wife and kids out
glacial knot
just the kids
static schooner
Go live in your igloo
clear ferry
orchid rose
his server would melt it in a few hours
scenic radish
Nice rack
jagged veldt
Hi anyone own google smart display? I have a question about settings
clear ferry
Yes
jagged veldt
Its there somewhere in setting options for developers? Something like on android developer options?
subtle pasture
There's a decades-worth of upgrades, right there
brisk glen
@finite atlas im going to have to try to access the nano leaf openapi via the ipv6 address exposed via homekit thread
subtle pasture
Also, props to past-me for saving my old motherboard boxes. Was able to re-box even the oldest board in its original packaging.
And I'm noticing Asus hasn't really altered their packaging all that much in the last 10 years.
Logo + Model information (framed between two horizontal lines) + circle with a highlighted feature.
glacial knot
don't change it if it's not broken
orchid rose
Focus has changed from VRM to RGB though
clear ferry
dusky plank
subtle pasture
Focus has changed from VRM to RGB though
Yeah, which I promptly disabled. lol
This board has RGB headers all over it, and integrated LEDs. You could create a pretty blingy system with it... but my case is a black monolith with no window.
There's no real point in keeping the RGB enabled
jade tartan
BUT HOW WILL THE DUST MITES RAVE INSIDE?
subtle pasture
Filtered intakes, no dust 😉
jade tartan
i mean, hepa? cause i mean i have filtered intakes, theres still small ammounts of dust
fiery sorrel
You are the dust source Bored :D
jade tartan
^
subtle pasture
Silverstone filters, not sure what grade they are
But I haven't had to dust the inside of the machine in 3 years so...
jade tartan
i need some then, lol
subtle pasture
It also pays to make sure you have (slightly) positive case pressure
fiery sorrel
slide my finger on the top of the monitor yeaaaa me to
subtle pasture
Otherwise you'll suck dust in from every crevice
jade tartan
oh there is deff positive case pressure
3 140's on the rad sucking in, and 3 140's on front
1 exhaust on back
subtle pasture
I'm running 2x 140mm intakes and 2x 120mm exhausts, which basically ensures the pressure remains positive
2 intakes on the front, one exhaust on the back, and another on the side.
Side panel fans rock, and case manufacturers need to bring them back already...
subtle pasture
I more meant the side panel fans that sit right over your expansion slots
My side panel fan removes a fuck-ton of heat from the case when the graphics card is working
subtle pasture
Do a vertical mount that puts the GPU fans right up against the side panel, and have a cutout for the fans to breath?
Cold air intake for your graphics card 👀
fiery sorrel
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SEE MY 3080 RGB STUNT'IN THEN?
webcam in the case :D
fiery sorrel
yeaaa. you should listen to her mostly tho
This is what i am slowly doing for airflow
1 done, 1 to go, but to cold right now
jade tartan
LOL, better then my old case
fiery sorrel
also don't look at the bottle, that for when i need to forget 🤣
jade tartan
subtle pasture
I remember seeing photos of people modding Shuttle style PC cases to take dual-slot graphics cards
jade tartan
thats shoved in a corner, forgive the photo
subtle pasture
Straight up U-shaped cutout in the side panel for the GPU heatsink to hang out of
clear ferry
Lulz, Norwegian newspapers are now keeping a counter on top of their webpages with Omicron cases confirmed
fiery sorrel
that name make me think of the alien planet in futurama
jade tartan
omicron persi 8
fiery sorrel
yup yup
jade tartan
LUUURRRRR
fiery sorrel
:D
jade tartan
fiery sorrel
what are you talking about, this is still 2019 donchaknow ?
jade tartan
there will ALWAYS be a new virus, so this whole sensationalization should really stop
cant we just get back to normalness at this point?
fiery sorrel
tbh, i don't have a life, this isn't much different
i just get to justify wearing mask without talking about CCTV
jade tartan
the new job im going for mandates vax
and i didnt really wana get it, but 8 dollars more per hr is worth it
fiery sorrel
holly molly
jade tartan
hey doc just squirt that in the trash and fill out my card please
fiery sorrel
french salary really suck XD
clear ferry
If only everywhere would mandate vaccination ;-)
jade tartan
against stupidity?
clear ferry
french salary really suck XD
I'll pay you in Baguettes
jade tartan
or every single little virus that pops up?
fiery sorrel
I'll pay you in Baguettes
i mean, i am out of fresh bread ... so i'll take it i guess :D
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
If only everywhere would mandate vaccination ;-)
if we didn't had to cancel other hospitalisation to heal covid people i wouldn't care much. But yea, my neighbor couldn't get her breast cancer treated during last wave ... not cool.
is Norway thinking about closing border ?
I still have something planed in early February
(what a dumb question, i have something planed, of course border WILL be closed... )
clear ferry
We have mandatory quarantine for specific countries and if you aren't vaccinated
fiery sorrel
well we will see :)
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
i was talking about my plan to move there at work...
a colleague was confuse, saying that it was cold and people weren't very social with stranger, but suddenly cut himself and said "Oh, that's right, you actually like not having friend's"
he did took a nerf dart in the jaw soon after
torpid glacier
wooo my new denon x1700h just came in
awesome value avr if anyone's looking for one
orchid rose
I used to have a Denon before it died on me. It was great and I loved the Audyssey stuff
hot hearth
moved here bc its not exactly home assistant, but does anyone know if duckdns supports you using 4th level domains?
clear ferry
Forth level domains, wth
clever mortar
Something about wildcard forwarding
hot hearth
I just Googled it for you 😉
i genuinely did that and jack shit came up 😦
hot hearth
<https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/89li2u/duckdns_subsubdomains_possible...
jesus christ, all i have to do is set it in nginx, i was so sure i would have to change something in my duckdns docker image or something
umbral cliff
<@!225640850506514432> im going to have to try to access the nano leaf openapi v...
Let me know if you manage to get anything working, I love my nanoleaf bulbs but being thread means they’re some of the only lights not in HA
umbral cliff
If only everywhere would mandate vaccination ;-)
That does cause riots though. Look in Melbourne, vaccines required to work or go into non essential shops and people protest and also end up abusive to others
It’s a shitty situation because poor retail staff get harassed
dusky plank
Let me know if you manage to get anything working, I love my nanoleaf bulbs but ...
i have thread stuff connected with the homekit controller, it is working
umbral cliff
i have thread stuff connected with the homekit controller, it is working
Wait how, the bulbs refused to detect on mine
dusky plank
first step would be to check if your device is listed in here https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/27292#issuecomment-968997838
else add it and wait some time
umbral cliff
Once that’s done, do I just unpair the bulbs from HomeKit and repair them through HA?
umbral cliff
😂😂
umbral cliff
These the nanoleaf essentials bulbs?
dusky plank
its somehow connected with homekit, don't see any traces of it using a integration though
umbral cliff
Since if I can get them on HA that would be amazing
umbral cliff
How did you add them to HA, was it just click add HomeKit device?
dusky plank
it drives me nuts rn, I cannot see myself how that works
umbral cliff
😄
dusky plank
OH, they are homekit switches
umbral cliff
I love how sometimes our best answers to things is essentially ‘magic’
dusky plank
i trigger the switch in homeassistant, homekit has a automation which triggers the device
dusky plank
outsmarted myself
umbral cliff
Also is HA ever gonna support thread? Or is it just one of those in the roadmap things
dusky plank
ex-amber project talks about thread, I have no idea
I would rather stay away from thread in general
these devices are the next generation with cloud connectivity in mind
umbral cliff
Isn’t thread meant to be offline communication though
dusky plank
they call it that - in the end it's IP communication
umbral cliff
Here I was thinking it’s basically an evolution of zigbee
Given the current thread stuff looks to be all local anyway
dusky plank
it's the next backdoor to your home lan, some security gurus say
forest edge
paranoia you say
dusky plank
its hypponen's law
subtle pasture
Noctua sent free goodies 👀
They went above and beyond on the packaging for this. It could have been some hardware in a plastic bag
I wasn't expecting a fully printed box with a foam insert
static schooner
It looked like a VESA mount for a monitor, but then I read the insert and saw the scale next to the keyboard/mouse
orchid rose
Noctua is really good with that stuff. If only their products didn't look like British food - beige
hollow glacier
arctic fans keep me from having to waste money on noctoa 😉
orchid rose
hot take
subtle pasture
Noctua is really good with that stuff. If only their products didn't look like B...
They make blacked-out versions of all of their products now
"Noctua Chromax"
orchid rose
I know. It's one of the things I'm considering for CPU right now
orchid rose
I'm slightly intrigued by going with AIO just to try it out and go with extra gamer cred
performance wise it makes zero sense
hollow glacier
hot take
There are tests done and noctua is great but not worth the premium for performance vs cost.. we’re talking 2x-3x price difference lol
For a fuckin fan
subtle pasture
I'm running Phanteks fans on my Noctua cooler
orchid rose
That's fair, but their customer service with upgrades etc is top notch so it's not nothing you pay for
subtle pasture
They... weren't actually that much cheaper than Noctua fans, tbh
But they have similar build quality, so it kinda tracks
subtle pasture
Oh, no, the fans they INCLUDE on cases are completely different
subtle pasture
Like, literally, they use different (cheaper/uglier) fans as their included case fans
The fans you buy from them stand-alone are way nicer
hollow glacier
orchid rose
Yeah my panteks were three-pin too. But at least they are rgb lol
I have a couple of noctua fans, but I don't think I'll be putting those in a case with a window.
hollow glacier
I don’t do rgb on my pc other than the cpu cooler that came with my ryzen
subtle pasture
They shouldn’t put their name on junk then lol
Tell that to any OEM with low-end products. lol
hollow glacier
Maybe I will
orchid rose
RGB is mostly for memes, but the ability to integrate it with HA is quite nice so I don't have to stare at them in the middle of the night
hollow glacier
I use wled and strips for that around the house
But for pc.. I don’t go look at it
I use it lol
orchid rose
It turns out the phanteks fans (and probably most others) are just WS2812 strips so you can control them with wled or something like that
hollow glacier
I think my case even came with some led stuff that isn’t plugged in
forest edge
I use my rgb's just for check general temps
forest edge
green blue and red all through the day
hollow glacier
I just let stuff burn 🔥
orchid rose
blue burning your eyes 90% of the time
hollow glacier
Lol
orchid rose
how is blue not cold 🤔
forest edge
when working with range scales the typical colors are green > blue > red
otherwise when you look at it you might forget what color means what lol
orchid rose
fair fair but with temps it would feel more logical to have blue and red as the extremes, but maybe that's just me
forest edge
you could get away with blue > yellow/orange > red maybe
hollow glacier
That’s how I have my 3d printer
When heating or cooling blue to red
And vice versa
That strip (warning loud video)
Then red to green for competition %
strange crag
There are tests done and noctua is great but not worth the premium for performan...
you should try Sirocco fans for RV's, approx $200 for a 12v fan with a clamp!
hollow glacier
forest edge
hollow glacier
$$$$$$$$
those fcob are cool but i cant bring myself to buy a bunch of them
especially the really high density ones
jagged thorn
so not sure if i can ask this here
but i am looking to setup home assistant, i have a lot of google homes and other smart devices setup with the home app
will setting up home assistant change/mess with anything
scenic radish
Nope
hollow glacier
it'll magically find a bunch of stuff and you'll be glad you found it tho..
@scenic radish i thought you hung out in digiblur's discord
scenic radish
I do indeed
jade tartan
so i miss the sale on the monitor i wanted
SO
time to find something that can make me money
ive been debating on a laser engraver or maybe finally trying to do a MPCNC
hollow glacier
always gotta hustle..
wide ice
yo where do i go for questions about making a custom entity
i put it in #integrations-archived im just making sure i have right channel
glacial knot
That or one of the dev channels. But you’ll get help in #integrations-archived or #general-archived to find the right channel
young sigil
It wasn't an actual "custom" entity.
umbral cliff
Too cold. I just wouldn’t leave my house 😂
strange crag
If you want a real white xmas - come to Australia! The sun is so bright its a whiteout! lol
Fun fact - Southern hemisphere summers should be hotter than northern ones cos in our summer we are 4 billion kilometres closer to the sun!
clear ferry
It was -35c the first year I lived here @umbral cliff
Had to shovel the driveway twice a day
forest edge
aren't dwarfs suppose to be use to the cold?
clear ferry
Says the short stature Americans 
forest edge
what you talking about.. norway doesn't produce on average taller people.
i think finland take the lead on that
dusky plank
nocturne gorge
what you talking about.. norway doesn't produce on average taller people.
- Bosnia & Herzegovina
- Netherlands
- Montenegro
sleek tide
anybody interested in a commercial project ... mail me please bugra.keskin@gmail.com
i need a HA consultant and tinkerer for a commercial project
clear ferry
dusky plank
proven spruce
umbral cliff
Bonus points if they’re all wired up correctly
glacial knot
@clear ferry what does yours look like?
hollow glacier
Donate those to a Cisco lab at some community college yo
Or even better post on r/homelabsales and give away a few at a time as Xmas gifts they pay shipping or local pickup only
proven spruce
It's not mine, I'm not that crazy
hushed basalt
clear ferry
<@457673488225009676> what does yours look like?
I should find my snap of me with optical cables around my head stating I'm John snowden, king betong the firewall
glacial knot
the stupid modem box from vodafone is so bad, I'm actually considering putting it on a smart socket, so I can power-cycle it from HA D:
static schooner
SOMETHING IS BEEPING IN MY GARAGE AND I CANNOT FIND IT
static schooner
It’s like it’s laughing at me at 30 second intervals
Sanity regained. It was an expired Nest Protect at the bottom of a box
clear ferry
Did you feel protected?
static schooner
It clearly did not. It was a cry for help
clear ferry
last cedar
I was gonna say smoke detector
static schooner
I was also convinced that it was the smoke detector, but a) it clearly wasn't the one that was currently hanging from the ceiling, and b) Nest usually likes to talk to tell you what's going on
that it was at the bottom of an open box made it really hard to locate
subtle pasture
Could be worse. Y'all ever been woken up in the middle of the night by an old Fuby with dyeing batteries that you forgot about in the back of a closet for years?
Sounds like hellspawn
jade tartan
once shined a red laser pointer into an OG firby
it turned demonic
and spoke jibberish
and would wake up completely randomly with no prompt
left ore
Alright, who wants to climb my roof and install solar panels?
forest edge
set them out at the curb with a sign saying, "please install these on roof".. sure someone will take action
finite atlas
Alright, who wants to climb my roof and install solar panels?
just lay them flat on the roof and call it a day
left ore
I'm scared to go up there lol, it's 3 floors off ground
I still get $5,000 worth of christmas lights im too chicken shit to install
static schooner
I think "alive" is the word you're looking for
forest edge
don't buy shit you cannot install yourself or afford to have someone else install it for you
almost paid someone to hang my xmas lights up this year cause I been too busy with other stuff but then thought I would be too busy to even look at the lights so it would be a waste to put up
hushed basalt
Does anyone else think Atlassian and Gitlab need to just stay in their lanes
Like, Gitlab is a great repo and CI service
Jira and confluence are great tools
But when they try and do each others core services they fail hard
jade tartan
ok so is there any way to do fancyness with my rgb strips?
like fading in and out to turn on
and like sync to something
cause im also thinking of getting an addressable strip to play with
forest edge
found @clear ferry replacement for HA https://youtu.be/aW2LvQUcwqc
clear ferry
ok so is there any way to do fancyness with my rgb strips?
Addressable > anything
left ore
I think I've overdosed on mSG
last cedar
Sounds like hellspawn
They sounded like hellspawn wlth new batteries too
last cedar
Alright, who wants to climb my roof and install solar panels?
3 floors up, ouch
left ore
Yeah, scarey stuff. long drop
last cedar
I have about 4m from the lowest edge to the ground. No worries
left ore
3 floors + walkable attic, so almost 4 floors
last cedar
But 3 stories isn't fun
Just remember
It isn't the falling that kills you
It's the landing
Can you anchor yourself to anything up there?
With a harness that stuff is a lot safer, as long as you have a spotter
If you fall and hang you have about 15 mins before damage to limbs from blood flow loss is a problem
Can the work be done with a mobile platform?
|| I remember once putting a ladder in an 8M scissor lift because we couldn't reach..... ||
Hahahaha
I have a card for all lifts, we can fix it next weekend if you like @left ore
You sort the lift and flights 🤣
midnight adder
hello
is someone here thay can help me with my tv, i have added my tv to homeassistat. but how i make a remote
brazen parcel
Hey all. Anyone figure out a way to download an IP-TV m3u to linux with wget or curl?
http://domain.url:port/get.php?username=USERNAME&password=PASSWORD&type=m3u_plus&output=ts
clear ferry
@midnight adder #automations-archived or #frontend-archived
brazen parcel
-/ before :port
midnight adder
<@456226577798135808> <#672220450977349653> or <#460846676358332417>
@clear ferry frontend
clear ferry
Then... Go there?
midnight adder
i have installed a remote as script. so i see now a remote. but all buttons that i press even netflix, the tv turned off
midnight adder
i have installed a remote as script. so i see now a remote. but all buttons that...
someone here they can help me with that problem?
jade tartan
Addressable > anything
but what can i DO with them?
lol
i wana intigrate them with something
midnight adder
which is better for hass? VirtualBox, KVM, VMWare or Hyper-V
clear ferry
Virtualbox is fine for random testing, KVM is great if you are a Linux person, esxi is great if you are a vsphere person, hyperv is bile and shit
hollow glacier
which is better for hass? VirtualBox, KVM, VMWare or Hyper-V
This is our shitpost den
hollow glacier
but what can i DO with them?
Look up WLED projects and see what people do with them..
orchid rose
you can do really neat stuff with addressable lights. If fancy is what you're after, definitely go with some SK6812
jade tartan
you can do really neat stuff with addressable lights. If fancy is what you're af...
these do look nice
jade tartan
one idea i really wanted to do, was to get a distance sensor for the stairway, or 2
and have an led strip on the curved stairway
so that the led light follows you down and up the stairs lighting your way
maybe if it's super late night it uses a red light instead of white
clear ferry
Sounds easy enough
jade tartan
ill find a way to fuck it up, dont worry
jade tartan
😉
if i could just get the tas hue bridge to work right with aura sync
so i could be "XXTRA"
lofty grail
Ey, just thought I'd bring to your attention that at least I couldn't get through your verification on mobile
ios, it just sent me on a loop as I pressed "ok, i understand" or whatever, saying the rules have changed and then I'm back at the rules again
worked well on desktop
last cedar
i wana intigrate them with something
Air quality monitor in pants. All leds go red if you fart
jade tartan
this is the best idea that has been pitched yet
last cedar
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left ore
Just when I think I've bought everything I need in life and can start saving money....I find something else...
finite atlas
you can never have enough cookies
orchid rose
strange crag
which is better for hass? VirtualBox, KVM, VMWare or Hyper-V
can also try proxmox as an alternative to kvm etc.
clear ferry
But proxmox runs kvm
hollow glacier
proxmox seems to be pretty popular.. and it's basically debian with a gui right? no reason to be sick over it @clear ferry
hollow glacier
tell me you're a greybeard without telling me you're a greybeard
clear ferry
If I only could grow a beard
hollow glacier
it's ok.. beard's arent a personality
a lot of people missed that class in high school lol
clear ferry
strange crag
But proxmox runs kvm
yes its kvm .... but with flair!
orchid rose
so only cool kids get to use emojis from other servers
It just points out who was dumb enough to pay for nitro 
scenic radish
hollow glacier
Lol
hollow glacier
It just points out who was dumb enough to pay for nitro <:smart:7232518527616287...
i got it gifted.. i cannot support discord's monetization policy with a good conscience
orchid rose
And here I thought those were all a scam
orchid rose
gif(t)
hollow glacier
they basically force server owners to crowdfound for them instead of letting server owners buy w/e options they want
orchid rose
I had Nitro for a while when it was free for three months. Mostly just to spam kappa in this discord that doesn't have it for some reason
hollow glacier
i bet it felt right tho
forest edge
I would never give discord money for anything because they had blatantly lied when they started stating that they would never restrict features behind a pay wall
orchid rose
Just "advanced" features. I don't blame them, it seems like a good way to monetize the service without making the rest of us pay
Posting files bigger than 8MB would be nice, but I get why they would limit that. The emoji limit is a bit of a meme, but it mostly comes down to this server massively lacking on pepes. On most others I can usually find a suitable alternative 🙂
hollow glacier
the emoji thing is dumb as fuck
the 8mb file thing is bullshit
what is funny is if you are on iOS client and take a picture from discord's app it wont let you post cuz it says >8mb
but if you take that same pic with camera app then upload via discord upload feature on discord ios app.. it works
some cute fuckery going on there
orchid rose
png vs jpeg probably
hollow glacier
i'd bet money it's intentional
low harness
Yep. And if you go over to your computer, open up the image you posted, right click and copy it and then paste it in another channel it won't let you because it's too big 🤷
static schooner
I yearn for the day when the ‘frequently used emojis’ are actually the ones I frequently use
hollow glacier
yep
if you already have nitro you could make your own server and have simple names for w/e emojis you want
wonky workaround tho lol
we're probably feeding a giant nsa db with all our fun chats here anyways
not to mention the bad boiz with scraper bots
orchid rose
I'm pretty sure my takes aren't quite hot enough for the NSA bots, so it's something I can live with. You have to draw the line somewhere these days
hollow glacier
i draw the line by not letting google/amazon on my lan
local camera storage only.. no cloud
no cams inside cuz that shit is weird
orchid rose
I've sold my soul to Google. They pay well with all the functionality they offer
forest edge
there was an article that touched on what a person's "data" is actually worth and they figured out that it's roughly $35/mo
hollow glacier
i fight the good fight as long as i dont have to go out of my way to do it
and even then.. i sometimes am willing
umbral cliff
It just points out who was dumb enough to pay for nitro <:smart:7232518527616287...
Even with nitro normal people can’t use emojis from other servers in this server
hollow glacier
that's what i was saying 😛
jade tartan
so can wled be loaded on basicly anything tas can?
cause like i got those magic home rgbw strips
which if wled can do more things, like patterns and other functions i'd reflash it
uncut pulsar
Music momma
forest edge
if those strips are not individual addressable wled won't do anything more than what tasmota can do
jade tartan
BUT, i dont see any patterns or softstart stuff in tas
forest edge
you gotta add them yourself. same with esphome
sure there is a guide somewhere that tells you how to do it
alpine oyster
Hi Everyone
elfin ember
not home automation related but wanted to vent
the builder of my new house wired my damn HVAC wrong
glacial knot
not home automation related but wanted to vent
That why this is #the-water-cooler 🙂
have them fix it? Or does the contract not state proper installation?
umbral cliff
the builder of my new house wired my damn HVAC wrong
How so?
elfin ember
House has a fresh air intake which is a outside vent that is damper controlled
Except it was wired in reverse
So it was closed when it should’ve been opened and vice versa
Pulled the spec sheet of the damper and the controller board to verify
Installation instructions show proper wiring
So I corrected it myself and verified it was operating as intended
forest edge
mistakes happen
dusky plank
finite atlas
xD
forest edge
rock is making a direct drop in replacement for the cm4. also making a daughter board that can handle 2.5G. that is gonna be sick
forest edge
cm4 is pi4 🤔
clear ferry
🤢
forest edge
you sick face everything but the cm4 with a proper router board makes a perfect router for openwrt or whatever
clear ferry
Hard pass
It might be good as a router for American 100/2 internet with datacaps sure
forest edge
yea well your running a full rack that draws more power than an air conditioner on 24/7
clear ferry
And no additional services
forest edge
whats this datacap you speak of? this a euro thing?
clear ferry
Nah, 'tis from the cradle of capitalism
forest edge
you read too many comics
clear ferry
I haven't read comics in 20 years, so I find that hard to believe
I do read manga though
strange crag
🤢
forest edge
well your getting misinformation from somewhere unless your just pulling it out your bum lol
clear ferry
forest edge
typical omicron cases started in cali.. godamn west coasters
clear ferry
Better get your vaccination numbers above 40% in the Midwest soon
Or else you are gonna be good as incubator for the next version
forest edge
lol i like how that list of providers that have data caps are from providers i've never even heard of
forest edge
got money all those providers are solely in alaska
xfinity and cox are the same provider and there is no cap.. they discussed it but there is no cap so that site ios wrong
my friend in NJ has that and his friend has xfinisty so I get updated on that ordeal often lol
strange crag
isnt alaska part of murica?
forest edge
yes and no
strange crag
too many states! we get by with only a fraction of that!
clear ferry
I can only go by what all the other murica people tell me, I've seen a dozen people move of Xfinity recently because of datacaps and poor customer service
clear ferry
too many states! we get by with only a fraction of that!
We had 19 when I grew up, now we have 11
Much easier
forest edge
they did a testing thing at one point, cox did atleast where it was like in some cities but was not nationwide by any means
but it got canclled
strange crag
we have 6 states and 2 territories - so pretty easy too. But we also have approx the same land mass as the US.
forest edge
I don't blame Alaska for having datacaps i mean your talking in the middle of nowhere lol
strange crag
a poofteenth of the population tho
clear ferry
But only the same population number if you count snakes and rabbits
forest edge
you talking about russia?
strange crag
oh we got LOTS of rabbits even with the snake population! I think they are sick of rabbit for tea lol
australia mate!
forest edge
oh well you are not the same size as the us lol
forest edge
alittle over a quarter smaller
clear ferry
Chello comrade chwitecheat
forest edge
i would imagine much of the outback is as about as developed as Alaska as well
although with much easier access
strange crag
7.6m square km versus 9.8m square km
clear ferry
Sounds right, everything is 20% bigger in the US to help with calorie intake
strange crag
yeah - in alaska you freeze to death, in australia you cook to death or become snake fodder lol
forest edge
Sounds right, everything is 20% bigger in the US to help with calorie intake
just whats between our legs compared to the rest of the world
strange crag
and yeah total population of country is less than one of your major cities
clear ferry
Actually your average is 10% above the global average @forest edge
umbral cliff
yeah - in alaska you freeze to death, in australia you cook to death or become s...
Hey in some parts of aus you've got the sharks or the crocodiles 😄
forest edge
but boy does she like that extra 10%
strange crag
yeah Calmelb, but not in the outback as he was talking about
clear ferry
forest edge
why the fuck is all the network shit out of stock
umbral cliff
yeah Calmelb, but not in the outback as he was talking about
True
forest edge
you look at routers, sold out, ap's sold out
umbral cliff
Outback you’re gonna die of lack of preparation rather than anything else though
umbral cliff
why the fuck is all the network shit out of stock
Covid or look elsewhere
Unless you’re buying some fancy shit they should be around
forest edge
looking at the manufactures site
umbral cliff
What stuff are you looking for
forest edge
netgate, ubiquity, you name it
just looking around and seeing sold out on most shit
I guess the chip shortage is still in effect
brisk glen
Still?? Ha, we are going to see it well into next year
umbral cliff
I would say it will still be affecting us in 2023 too. Not as badly, but it will take a long time to fix this level of backlog
Especially with everything from cars, computers, phones, tvs, washing machines, fridges, microwaves, etc all needing at least a single chip
clear ferry
We have no issues delivering standard model servers and networking
umbral cliff
Different supply chains, different stock levels
It’s definitely affecting everything
(Hell I wanted to buy a microwave and there was barely anything in stock due to covid)
clear ferry
I haven't seen any issues in the electronic shops here
last cedar
Especially with everything from cars, computers, phones, tvs, washing machines, ...
Raccoons can fix the washing machines needing chips problems. Just don't forget to feed us
umbral cliff
What if they decide to steal the clothes 😄
umbral cliff
I haven't seen any issues in the electronic shops here
It’s definitely an issue I’ve seen here. Even cars are super delayed because of it (friend had to wait 12 months for a new car, normally should’ve been 3 or so)
umbral cliff
I might not bite
Time to put a mouth guard in you, no teeth to bite then
clear ferry
Cars are delayed yes, a XC90 was 6-8 months delayed
last cedar
I aam dreading the new car thing. I have an Octavia on order
last cedar
Time to put a mouth guard in you, no teeth to bite then
:(
last cedar
Do you play contact sports in your sleep? || I know that they can be for teeth grinding and stuff too ||
clear ferry
Having a three year old in the bed is almost a contact sport
umbral cliff
Atx, the nighttime sport player
umbral cliff
Having a three year old in the bed is almost a contact sport
Got any kicks down where the sun doesn’t shine yet?
I know when I was a kid I managed to punch my dad there once, he told me when I was a lot older and I laughed 😂
clear ferry
Got any kicks down where the sun doesn’t shine yet?
For three years yes
last cedar
🤣
jade tartan
sure there is a guide somewhere that tells you how to do it
thx for the point in the right direction
scenic radish
Lol this stupid scam again
low harness
Thanks for reporting.
brave nexus
i'm curious… how does that scam work?
weary wind
ne problem
low harness
Probably ends up with requiring the code being emailed to you or something.
I've seen someone giving more "details they got after talking to support" where your account would be terminated in 12 hours or something unless you did whatever.
brave nexus
ah
weary wind
they say they have reporrtet youon steam an you need to add a person on discord a valve supporter and the reporter wants pic of your game pourchase history and with this hey can somho get your steam acond from a real steam suporter or somthing like this
brave nexus
wow
weary wind
and the discord acounts get compremised most of the times from FREE DISCORD NITRO scams
clear ferry
cunning onyx
last cedar
clear ferry
Oh cool I had a display in my dash I didn't recognize @last cedar
Apparently if another Volvo has registered slippery road somewhere I'm driving, my Volvo will notify my that there are slippery road conditions
Also if another Volvo has their emergency blinkers on in the direction I'm driving I also get a warning
last cedar
Also if another Volvo has their emergency blinkers on in the direction I'm drivi...
That is awesome!
I will go put mine on, see if it lets you know
🤣
hollow glacier
Volvo botnet rivals toaster botnet
tacit token
Is anyone else getting DM's from @Rustam to be invited to a different server? They kinda look sketchy TBH, esp since one's in Russian <@&330946878646517761>
forest edge
it's just a spammer, block those
forest edge
Apparently if another Volvo has registered slippery road somewhere I'm driving, ...
does it tell you how far away?
simple raptor
Can anyone help a noob with installing the nest integration? something is not working for me and im really lost
young sigil
Try #integrations-archived .No support here.
forest edge
Nope, just beware
well that's dumb. your better off doing what many cars here do, if the outside temp and humidity is within the range to create slippery conditions then it just auto shows the warning lol
clear ferry
It does that too
forest edge
car manufactures should just stop trying to create thier own ecosystem and instead just utilize something that's already wide spread like google maps
was watching a thing on the new ford f150 lightning coming out next year which is their first all electric truck and it uses something called ford pass which people have to pay monthly for and that is just infuriating
clear ferry
Lol
Like Audi etron
You have to pay monthly to have maps
And adaptive headlights
forest edge
this is just for thier own version of crap, like finding suitable chargers nearby etc
nothing keeps people from just using something like android auto etc
infact most do that instead of the monthly crap, it's just the fact that they do those that is stupid
I mean come on.. monthly to remote start your vehicle if you don't have the key fob? that is so dumb
Subaru is the same way. we just bought the remote start fob so we didn't have to pay monthly to remote start the forester but I think it's dumb they charge you like that for basic features used through a phone app
last cedar
We have peak of 458øre today <@300242410338910209>
Still ouch as heck though
last cedar
You have to pay monthly to have maps
This makes me mad
You pay like 1M sek for a car
Thrn pay to unlock features
Like no, f you. Don't think I will. Thanks
I understand that you pay extra to upgrade a base model (once)
But not reccuring. They are not providing a monthly service to you for adaptive headlights, or a bigger battery
Maps on the other hand I can understand paying monthly for, someone must do something to update them
forest edge
tesla has/had something like that. where you would pay a fee to unlock features for the car but if you ever sold it those features were turned back off.. shit is nuts
why the more tech gets poured into a vehicle the crappier it becomes
clear ferry
How long did you lock the price for @last cedar ?
forest edge
ever wonder how some parts in your home and car are made? https://youtu.be/0SY_rnHqcqM
lofty grail
You have to pay monthly to have maps
For headlights?! Jfc that should be standard and required in all cars
clear ferry
For matrix led yes
lofty grail
Jesus
clear ferry
lofty grail
Ford connect sound like utter trash as well. Let's hope the market kills it (ditto Audi)
The bookable periods range from monthly and yearly runtimes, through to permanent use are possible (depending on market).
Ohhhh fuck this
Rofl
glacial knot
ever wonder how some parts in your home and car are made? https://youtu.be/0SY_r...
ahh, yes. Child labour
forest edge
leave it to Germany to build a car with features, charge consumers accordingly because the car has those features then expect them to pay a monthly fee just to activate those features you done paid for when buying the car lol
clear ferry
Said the guy from Tesla country
forest edge
tesla is a black sheep
unlike audi and bmw that has been around for ages
none of our domestic car companies do anything that shady lol
glacial knot
leave it to Germany to build a car with features, charge consumers accordingly b...
we stole the idea from all the american hardware manufacturers :/
people buying all the subscription cross-financed stuff that undermines ownership of their hardware =.=
glacial knot
Also, mercedes did it first =.= With their rear axle turn assist
why would anyone do that?
forest edge
You mean like paying to rent a docsis modem
we can buy our own if we choose lol
clear ferry
Not everywhere I've been told
forest edge
there you go again.. talking about alaska lol
glacial knot
Like Sonos? Or Cisco? I avoid these kinda things, so I don't usually try to remember which ones they are
forest edge
yea I think your mistaken or just confused
glacial knot
Cisco even calls it almost the same 😂
forest edge
there isn't anything we have that has you pay for something with features then ontop of that expect you to pay even more to activate those features that I am aware of
clear ferry
Sure Cisco do that
forest edge
like what
glacial knot
Switches
clear ferry
Additional advanced features
glacial knot
They have subscription licenses for switch ports on some devices
clear ferry
Per port
forest edge
your talking commercial products?
glacial knot
which are already priced in the premium category fort what they are
clear ferry
$1000 per on the Nexus 6000
forest edge
ok yea don't bring up commercial products as an example lol
cars are not commercial products
clear ferry
Everything is commercial in the end
forest edge
your cotton candy lights aren't
glacial knot
oh right, Intel did it before as well
clear ferry
They did?
lofty grail
cars are not commercial products
How are cars mot commercial products?
forest edge
how are they commercial products?
you have vehicles that are for the public and then there are vehicles that are not for the public.. pretty clear seperation
glacial knot
They did?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Upgrade_Service best I can find right now
what the hell is "for the public" supposed to be here? Like military vehicles/generally available?
forest edge
like semi trucks
the average person wouldn't buy nor really afford one.. they are mainly made for commercial use
glacial knot
yes. And other cars are used for commercial stuff as well. Outside maybe the "supercar" category. And probably even those
forest edge
used in that manor is not the same as actually being placed in that catagory
clear ferry
Commercial product" means anything other than real property that is or has been offered for sale to the general public in standard or customized form.
So yes, cars
Or even simpler
glacial knot
amp 🤢
clear ferry
Amp 🤢
glacial knot
I expected better from you
forest edge
appears you are really fishing because you don't like the fact that a non-american company is price gouging it's consumers lol
clear ferry
Not my fault you don't know English well enough to understand what commercial product means
glacial knot
Hm? I don't give a fuck. I just hope that both Mercedes and Audi fall flat on their face with that bullshit