the-water-cooler

[umbral cliff]

I haven’t seen those unless its caused by myself

[clear ferry]

[dusky plank]

stay focused my boys, it's all about that 13 year old network gear

[clear ferry]

You mean 17

[prime latch]

Wow The HFC Nodes appear to have no battery backup, unlike FTTN. So when the power fails the entire area is out. We have seen issues caused by faulty electrics (e.g. an RCD failure) that have taken 24 hours to get an electrician out to fix.

I guess there's no point of a UPS really

[dusky plank]

where do you copy paste these weird sentences from?

[prime latch]

This is from the article

Your neighbour can literally slow down your connection from having a faulty box

[umbral cliff]

According to NBN only FTTP have power outage redundancy

Sounds like NBN is just poor generally

[prime latch]

All the fttn nodes also have it

[umbral cliff]

not according to NBN

[prime latch]

Frome were

[umbral cliff]

Their website

[prime latch]

Where are you getting data from the NBN they don't really tell you much because there are wholesaler

[umbral cliff]

https://www.nbnco.com.au/learn/what-happens-in-a-power-blackout

[clear ferry]

I have between 3-4ms latency to the norwegian internet exchange, anything more would be an atrocity

[umbral cliff]

@prime latch

[clear ferry]

and drops in the network, what on earth

[prime latch]

O think there more talking about this thing

[umbral cliff]

Again that’s for FTTP

Only

[prime latch]

Fttp is the only official option to have a battery backup at your modem

[prime latch]

You know there's something called a UPS right

[umbral cliff]

As it says “Restoring power with an alternative power option is not possible if FTTN is experiencing a power loss”

Aka UPS is not going to keep your service up if FTTN has an outage

[prime latch]

The actual nodes have battery backup

[umbral cliff]

Again, NBN don’t seem to think so

[prime latch]

Look at a picture of a fttn node

[prime latch]

They are saying your connection will drop out when the power drops out because your modem won't be powered

It doesn't say anything about the node

[umbral cliff]

Then why does it say alternative power option is not possible if NBN FTTN is experiencing a loss

Surely it would say you can self power your network and stay online as long as your modem is powered

Not no access

[prime latch]

You were talking about the NBN

This is a dummies guide

[clear ferry]

[prime latch]

This links from the page of how to plug in your modem

[umbral cliff]

It wouldn’t say “You can’t power your network” whilst also having FTTN powered

Because that would be silly

[prime latch]

This is the standard fibre-to-the-node node

[umbral cliff]

A UPS isn’t exclusively for advanced tech people

[prime latch]

So your average home user has a UPS stop the cap

Granny's got the power shield rt1000

[umbral cliff]

Have you thought the batteries are not to power home networks though and for other reasons?

[clear ferry]

You guys have power outages ?

[umbral cliff]

Storms or scheduled outage

[prime latch]

No not really at all

Haven't had a power outage this year

Still spent $2500 on a UPS but

[umbral cliff]

I haven’t had a power outage in the last 5 years or more

[clear ferry]

The last 14 years I've probably had 6h total outage, and 5 of those was one of the outages due to a snowstorm making trees fall on powerlines

[umbral cliff]

Except self caused power outages for upgrading electrical work where they had to turn it off

(Like my side of the meter that is)

[prime latch]

The only reason I got the powershield rt3000 was because it was on sale at the wholesaler

A bit overkill for my home network

Has to install a 15 amp plug and

[clear ferry]

2500 is more than I've paid for UPS' the last 20 years in total

[umbral cliff]

And your 17 year old switch

[prime latch]

Because the ups can do 3 kilowatts

The ups was only $2,100 but I had to add in rails and the ethernet card

That are quite expensive

Wanted my ups to email me

[clear ferry]

that you can do via USB

so it isn't really fancy

NUT

[prime latch]

Yeah but not text message

[clear ferry]

sure you can

[prime latch]

My ups requires the card it says it in the software

[umbral cliff]

@prime latch https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2621096 also examined it, FTTN may have battery backup but NBN do not promise any time when the grid is down. Looks like between 4-10 hours depending on the node itself though

[prime latch]

It's must just be a power shields thing

[clear ferry]

Any $100 UPS can send me a text message via USB

[prime latch]

My one has all the stuff about adding a phone number I still haven't got around to do it

[umbral cliff]

You gotta make sure your 17 year old switch stays up

[clear ferry]

Actually, that is mostly what my UPS' do

because they have 5+ minute boot-time

[prime latch]

You Would want the IP cameras to stay up when the power goes out

My ups last about 40 minutes what about you guys

[clear ferry]

I don't need it to last more than 20 seconds, so I couldn't care

[prime latch]

Thinking of buying the extra battery that goes under it if I'm going to add another server

[umbral cliff]

Don’t have anything mission critical and power outages are rare enough they’re not a focus of mine

[clear ferry]

Either power is gone for 10 seconds or it is gone for 5 hours

[umbral cliff]

Or if you get unlucky a couple days

[clear ferry]

Hasn't happened to me since..... 1994 I think

[umbral cliff]

(Happens in the mountains in Melbourne when storms come through, overhead powerlines there still)

[prime latch]

I just had to get an online ups to stable out the power

What kind of ups do you guys have online line interactive or offline

This is the extra battery they sell

[umbral cliff]

Are you sure you really need to have your networking up for half an hour though

[clear ferry]

No he doesn't

[umbral cliff]

Like thats a lot of money to splash out on something that wouldn’t happen often

Basic cost/benefit analysis

[prime latch]

Most just the blue iris server and the network switches

After 30 minutes that's the only thing that stays on

All the other outlets turn themselves off

[clear ferry]

Blue Iris 🤢

[prime latch]

Compared to unify protect it's awesome

[clear ferry]

Compared to Unifi anything is awesome

[umbral cliff]

Do you need your cameras on during power outages constantly though? Like if you don’t get any major outages yearly it probably isn’t worth it

[umbral cliff]

What’s wrong with unifi?

[prime latch]

Sadly my power boxes in a pretty open area so we could be easily turned off so they do need stay on

Looking into moving the power box

[umbral cliff]

Or just get a lock on it?

[prime latch]

Metre reader said hello

[umbral cliff]

Pretty sure you can get locks that can be opened by you or your power company

Also smart meters said hi

[clear ferry]

Their massive coverups of major data breaches, their injection of advertising in the webui of paying users, their shitty bricking hardware policy if you try to upgrade "EOL" hardware and the userbase is 13year old shitkids mostly, what more do you need @umbral cliff ? 😄

[prime latch]

If I was going to get a Smart metre I would just move it

[prime latch]

You can also buy the keys online I have about 10 of them

[umbral cliff]

If its free then would they move it for you?

[prime latch]

Because when I try and service people's flower boxes they always lose them

[umbral cliff]

And the chance of someone actually having the key and breaking in to yours drops dramatically then

[prime latch]

Upgrading to a Smart metre is not free mate

You know I'm an electrician right this is literally my trade I've been working in for more then 20 years

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bnHPn.gif

[umbral cliff]

Power company in vic did it for me for free

They moved everyone to smart meters 10 years ago

[prime latch]

That's nice it's normally a massive cost

At least in.qld it's a massive cost

[clear ferry]

We did country wide smart meters in 2018 @umbral cliff was nice

[prime latch]

Have done it for a couple of customers before I moved into the its

[umbral cliff]

Ah didn’t realise any of that. I was looking at possibly doing unifi networking at home because its recommended (and they have the small wall mounted wifi router which is nicer looking)

[prime latch]

These days I mostly focus on the government's dark fibre network and remote traffic light controllers management and its Road management cameras

[clear ferry]

Don't do unifi

[prime latch]

The only good ubiquiti product in my opinion is there access point

They're firewalls are missing too many advanced features unify protect is an overpriced joke

[umbral cliff]

Yeah here we have to deal with each state being split into smaller companies that then manage the grid

[clear ferry]

lol little-texas

[prime latch]

Unify protect literally sells 4 megapixel cameras for $350

[umbral cliff]

My meter even has zigbee compatibility (but unfortunately the energy specific one which is hard to actually find something for HA with that)

[scenic radish]

I like my edgerouter x and two unifi APs, but once those APs die I'm not buying any more unifi kit

In fact I bought a tplink eap225 as a third access point

[prime latch]

Why are you running multiple types of access points

[umbral cliff]

Nah we’re connected to all of the east coast itself, just individual parts are maintained by separate companies

[prime latch]

Do you literally have two different Wi-Fi networks is it a glorified WiFi extender

[scenic radish]

It runs the same SSIDs as the others...

I'm not gonna replace two working APs

[prime latch]

Via two different models so you could just use two of the same so it's only one

And what access points are they even

[umbral cliff]

No one else makes the tiny routers which would be a good fit for our home. Anything else is roof mounted and reasonably ugly

[clear ferry]

Pssh, there are a lot of nice mesh points these days

[prime latch]

Pfsense router says hello

[clear ferry]

that can be easily hidden in a bookshelf

[scenic radish]

AP AC lite, AP AC LR, tplink eap225

[prime latch]

Lol not even an AC Pro

[umbral cliff]

I do not want to deal with mesh routers anymore. After dealing with linksys velop I want to tear my hair out. Works fine when it manages DHCP, but as soon as it goes into bridge mode it breaks hard

[prime latch]

I personally Run 5 ubiquiti AC pro at my house

[scenic radish]

[clear ferry]

Look out @scenic radish this is spicy spectrum here, if you thought I was bad

😄

[prime latch]

Only real good outside mountable good looking access point

[scenic radish]

How dare I mix manufacturers of networking equipment

[prime latch]

Have one on the outside front and the outside back of my house

[prime latch]

More just seems like a bunch of random Access points chuck together

[scenic radish]

And?

[clear ferry]

Mine have been running in bridge mode for 2 years, serving 250m2 fine with three, one wired

[prime latch]

Without really seeing the floor plan this could be incorrect but wouldn't it just be better to get one really high-end access point in a good central location

Is it an interesting floor plan

[umbral cliff]

I have no web access to the linksys routers since going to bridge mode. I have no clue what broke it but its just not responding. Works fine I just am not a fan of them for that

[prime latch]

Is it a really long one story house

[umbral cliff]

This is the specific one that looks good. Since its sleek and is totally integrated

[clear ferry]

Mine are three VLP01

[scenic radish]

1200-ish sq ft single story with a full basement

[umbral cliff]

Also linksys’ wall plug is huge, takes up 1.5 spots so not great

[prime latch]

Lol they're stupid for Australia

Because you have to make brand new holes because the orientated the wrong way

To a standard ethernet ports in Australia

[scenic radish]

Not if I want good 5GHz coverage...

[umbral cliff]

Well given we don’t have any ethernet in the walls it would be fine

[prime latch]

So you're going to your holes put in the wrong way so you can never go back to a normal ethernet port really

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean by ‘the wrong way’

[prime latch]

This Is the standard Australia

[umbral cliff]

I do not like that way tbh

So flipped works anyway

[prime latch]

Compare that to the US

[prime latch]

Don't think they are standard size so you can't go back

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bh3tA.gif

[prime latch]

Used completely different screw holes so you would have to do some patching if they even were compatible

[umbral cliff]

Oh I know what you mean now. Yeah look if we need to we will fill and cut new holes

Because plaster jobs aren’t exactly pricy

[prime latch]

That's the thing about a water ubiquiti products you can see they're made for the US market

Actually see that with a lot of stuff like that

[umbral cliff]

Yes because australia is a tiny market

I’m not surprised

[prime latch]

But they wouldn't work anywhere that's not the same so it's a lot of countries

[umbral cliff]

Honestly plaster jobs aren’t really a huge concern

[prime latch]

I'm pretty sure the UK uses the same design as Australia

Ubiquiti products are really just the best don't really like they're in a wall ap tried them out in my office don't really like them

[umbral cliff]

Also @prime latch looks like clipsal make vertical ones anyway https://www.clipsal.com/products/detail?CatNo=2032VRJA5&itemno=2032VRJA5-WE&tab-document-1=0

So maybe harder to find but not exactly the end of the world

[prime latch]

Yeah I seen them before at the electrical wholesaler but I think they use different sizes

And wow they are old they only do CAT 5

Not even cat5e

But why would you need to be faster then fast ethernet to be true

[umbral cliff]

Isnt the standard based on the cable itself not the plug type

[clear ferry]

Sounds like a true Cisco2004 statement

[umbral cliff]

Since if the plug is wired properly then its up to the cable?

[prime latch]

No it is 100/100

Not 100/10

[clear ferry]

Oh shit

[prime latch]

Fast ethernet is 100-10

And it is getting gigabit when I get the media converter in

So it will technically be a gigabit switch

[clear ferry]

Fast Ethernet is 100Mbit tbh

And no, a 100Mbit switch won't become a gigabit switch

[prime latch]

That switch can do 1000/1000

[umbral cliff]

What cable do you need for 2.5gig? Is it just cat 6? Or can 5e do it

[prime latch]

It has two sfp gigabit ports

[clear ferry]

Sure, those are uplinks

[prime latch]

So gigabit in gigabit out so it's a switch

[prime latch]

No both of them and not uplinx only one

[clear ferry]

[prime latch]

It's just not uplink

[clear ferry]

That is their original intention

[prime latch]

Yeah but it doesn't mean they just have to be up link

I can plug in a gigabit device into the gigabit Sfp port and get gigabit

[clear ferry]

Sure

You do you

[prime latch]

So it is a gigabit switch

[clear ferry]

No it isn't

[prime latch]

It can do gigabit to a client

[umbral cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-popcorn-gif-8880020

[prime latch]

That's what you have to be to be a gigabit switch

[prime latch]

Hey didn't you say you're from Victoria don't you have daylight savings

[clear ferry]

Noone who ever worked in networking will agree with that statement

[prime latch]

Oh crap I work in networking

[umbral cliff]

Correct. I also just finished uni for good so have nothing to do until my grad job starts in Jan

Staying up late isn’t a huge deal

[prime latch]

Only reason I am up is because the boys have been having issues on site and I can't sleep because I'm probably going to get a phone call in 5 minutes after I go to sleep

[umbral cliff]

👌

[prime latch]

The fun of being the its project manager last night we only lost $10,000 on tc surprised it wasn't going to be more

[clear ferry]

Poor project

[prime latch]

We're actually doing really well right now with a lot of new projects

Being a project manager since 2013 now so have a lot of contacts in Brisbane City Council and template and document I've made up so I don't have to worry about that stuff

[scenic radish]

https://youtu.be/hR5_BOKJSQg

[jade tartan]

I have shiiiiiiiity solder

Cause it wount ever stick to the pad

[clear ferry]

sounds like you did a poor job of cleaning the pads\ solder at a too low temperature

[last cedar]

Use stronger glue

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanksgiving-cat-thanksgiving-dinner-eating-dinner-gif-12929854

[jade tartan]

CLEANING? whats that

[clear ferry]

There we go

[jade tartan]

i decided to say fuck it, and use some pogo pins and 3d print a jig

[dusky plank]

that wasn't the answer

you need to sniff the glue

[jade tartan]

i mean, why do you think i decided to scratch build a pogo jig? lol

IF MY MAIL WOULD COME FASTER

i wouldnt have to resort to glue

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-high-gif-20311531

[jade tartan]

anyone have a recommendation on solder, im not well versed

for electronics

something that sticks to shit well

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/glue-gluea-eating-paste-eat-glue-gif-8579890

anything wrong with running a own exchange server?

[last cedar]

Good stuff!

[clear ferry]

Yes

[dusky plank]

what

[clear ferry]

what

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze looks like smash and grab is California's new Thanksgiving tradition lol

[static schooner]

It’s bizarre. The videos look like a horde of ninjas descending on a store

[tidal bronze]

News to me. 😆

Darn it, booster shot hurts 😕

[lapis condor]

Well, destroyed my old Nest with my drill....(any time I try anything remotely DIY something goes terribly wrong) Any recommendations for locally controlled thermostats? 😅

[dusky plank]

do you need hardware for that?

[clear ferry]

Thermostats, such 80s wow

[forest edge]

then let them put it in your arm instead of requesting the ball sack injection ya goof

[finite atlas]

sn60pb40

I got 1kg of Fluitin sn60pb40 for 50€. Was a pretty solid buy

[last cedar]

Not if you heat it up

It will become liquid

[finite atlas]

good pun

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-baby-lol-gif-9445212

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/tickling-the-pet-collective-racoon-pet-cuddle-gif-18871287

[last cedar]

Life goals tbh

[finite atlas]

ikr

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/hGXhNsYjMu8AAAAM/heavy-breathing-tanuki.gif

[finite atlas]

you get a headscratch aswell atxbyea :p

[clear ferry]

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/patpat-pat-comfort-pat-on-the-head-there-there-gif-10534102

[forest edge]

he's got fleas

[scenic radish]

More like worms from all the raw meat

[strange crag]

@umbral cliff that picture of linksys router on the wall next to the power points. They look like British power points. Not Australian!

Does that mean you are only pretending to be Australian? Lol

[umbral cliff]

Was an image from google of the unify stuff

I do not own anything yet :lul:

[strange crag]

Ahh ok thought I might have caught you out lol

[umbral cliff]

A Brit wouldn’t have plates like this either 😂

[strange crag]

Lol

[jade tartan]

look at this professional setup right here

perfection

ignore the nodemcu and rc522

i made a jig that works for the magic home led strips

[orchid rose]

that looks multiple times more professional than most of my DIY stuff

[jade tartan]

i just wish i knew exactly how many amps each section of LED took

so i could know exactly how much i could run off this PSU

[orchid rose]

You could measure it or just do what I do and just hope for no magic smoke

[jade tartan]

lol

the boiler at one of the buildings let out some magic smoke yesterday

of all days

lol

the 24v transformer blew

and i think it took out the control board

lol

not my issue im not the hvac guy

i need a long piece of allum to use as a bar/heatsink to mount like 4 or 5 3ft sections so i can make my own shop light

with rgbw

[crisp sapphire]

You can for most strips

its pretty back of the napkin but works.

[hushed basalt]

Clipsal iconic looks pretty dope not gonna lie

[forest edge]

looks like a paver stone with a light in the middle

[glacial knot]

might look nice as wall tiling

[umbral cliff]

But is it smart 😂

[hushed basalt]

No, which is a good thing

Smart switches are trash here

Separate the switch from the smarts and use a Shelly with cheaper yet way higher quality generic switches

[shadow wren]

I live in the US, but agreed

Most smart switches are kinda trash from what I can tell.

[scenic radish]

I like mine 🤷‍♂️

Tasmota switches/dimmers ftw

[umbral cliff]

I like that they’re sleeker looking then the Clipsal variety. Which all seem to be white plastic and ugh.
Wish glass style switches would exist (even touch button ones)

(Also not a fan of putting things in the wall)

[hushed basalt]

They're the best looking thing clipsal has made for sure

Why don't you like things in the wall

[umbral cliff]

Still not as nice as some switches I’ve seen overseas. But the smart switches I’ve seen manage to look nicer still

[umbral cliff]

Risk of fire/ if something goes wrong it’s sitting in the wall and not as nice. Especially if the smart switches still operate fine offline but unsure how the Shelly’s would go

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/digibyte-dgb-meme-memes-cat-gif-17940925

Risks of raccoons too

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/YcSRiY7xu80AAAAM/dreamies-katze.gif

[strange crag]

and snakes in the wall too! The deadly variety of course!

Calmelb. I have seen the glass looking powerpoints. They look kewl!

[dusky plank]

Its snowing ❄️☃️

[clear ferry]

I wish

It is only -6 and icy here

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/pathetic-pathetique-pathetox-cat-gif-17249104

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cony-crying-laughing-pillow-line-tears-gif-12191274

[hushed basalt]

Very off topic but this is the place

What do you all think about credit cards

Given:
You always pay the full balance when due

As opposed to debit cards etc, where you use your own money

[dusky plank]

I don't use mine since my bank issues debit cards

[hushed basalt]

Like, I know in theory it should be the same

But I feel like there's a strong psychological element

When the withdrawal from your account is deferred

[dusky plank]

It's nice to have when travelling

[hushed basalt]

And the banks know it

[dusky plank]

also insurance etc...

[hushed basalt]

Yeah we get pretty good travel insurance on our card

But we haven't travelled since 2018 :)

[dusky plank]

sounds reasonable, you have the craziest measures there down under I hear

[hushed basalt]

Measures?

[dusky plank]

covid restrictions

[hushed basalt]

I dunno not here

We've been pretty much covid free the whole time

[dusky plank]

then our media tells LIES again

[hushed basalt]

Australia is a big place ;)

I think we've had 3 community transmissions this year

All due to hotel quarantine failings, since it's a shitty system we shouldn't have to do anyways

[umbral cliff]

We used to have the craziest restrictions here in Melbourne. But those are a thing of the past

Only masks and QR code check ins

Melbourne also had the worst community transmission spread and still does, 1000 cases a day

[hushed basalt]

I guess the proof is in the pudding

We lock down hard and fast the second there's a single community case

[umbral cliff]

Yeah Melbourne just got caught out with lockdown fatigue

[hushed basalt]

And we've enjoyed relatively an almost covid free time

[umbral cliff]

Don’t forget we’ve also got some of the highest levels of vaccination in the world too

[hushed basalt]

WA lagged behind for a long time

Mostly due to NSW literally stealing it

[umbral cliff]

Also my opinion, if you don’t use it to spend beyond your means and you actually get benefits from them, then they can be a smart investment

Otherwise at least in australia having a credit card doesn’t provide benefit for credit score as much as the USA

[hushed basalt]

We don't get any points

But it does leave money if our offset longer

[umbral cliff]

That was so bad. Even Vic in a worse situation at that point than nsw was having less per capita. So bad

[umbral cliff]

I am not great with magic banking stuff, but if that’s providing a benefit then it’s good to use

I plan to get a qantas points card once I start having a proper income

[hushed basalt]

That whole having to take debt to get a credit rating thing is so cooked

Although I think the rating agencies here are trying to move in that direction

[umbral cliff]

It works for them. Means more money to give out money

Since in aus it’s like 20% of the cc holders who provide most of the income with late penalties

[hushed basalt]

I think the real money earner is the merchant fees

1-2% of all card revenue

That's a lot of money

[umbral cliff]

See those go to visa/ MC. Whilst late fees go straight to the banks

Also funny, Amazon is having a real spat with visa 😂

[hushed basalt]

The bank gets their cut don't worry about that

[proven spruce]

if you treat a credit card as a debit card its fine

if it has cashback its even better

[hushed basalt]

I think the studies people spend more

[umbral cliff]

I prefer points, pays for flights which is useful

[proven spruce]

basically the same thing

if you're doing revolving credit on your card then stop it

[umbral cliff]

I plan to have a credit card that can be shared with my partner next year. Means we can share groceries but legally have separate incomes and accounts

(Because I’m working full time next year, they’re still at uni and getting government student allowance. Second they share an actual account with me they no longer qualify as my income would be too high)

Simple way to be legally separate

[proven spruce]

yep

[strange crag]

except if you are living with them then its classed as defacto and your stuffed again. But yes, keep accounts and incomes separate, and when the time comes open a joint account and have a designated amount going to the joint as a separate transfer from each personal account. Do not pool incomes - that way leads to grief! Speaking from experience!

[umbral cliff]

See if you have no legal or social media links between the two then there’s no way for anyone to find out if it’s defacto. Which is the logic we take

Slightly dodgy? Sure. But relationship is too early days (1 year of dating) to call it defacto in our opinion

[strange crag]

unlesss you are living together, apparently you need to declare that when officialdom steps in - or they can investigate you. Welcome to the police state made even more so with the advent of covid and lockdowns etc lol

defacto is 3 months I believe

[umbral cliff]

Yeah for this it’s just housemates. Since it’s just me, them, and a third housemate. So easy to cover off for now

[strange crag]

fair enuff - good call!

[glacial knot]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/11/25/e79655085e612e5c.mp4

[finite atlas]

rare footage of feeding michelle

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/11/26/3ec403426a255593.mp4

[clear ferry]

I use my credit card only when traveling abroad and when booking tickets / airfare due to better insurance

[umbral cliff]

@clever mortar I feel sorry that most of your mod duties are redirecting people 😂

I can feel the frustration

[clever mortar]

I'd say if only people would read, but the number of people that post error messages that tell them what to do and ask what do I do is enough to make me despair about humanity

https://tenor.com/view/the-stupid-it-burns-head-on-fire-gif-14796668

[glacial knot]

people, read? That's like expecting us to think

[umbral cliff]

The amount of r/talesfromtechsupport I’ve read tells me no one reads. Like the fact that people see “click here to continue” and then they just freeze

My parents are guilty of this 😂

[glacial knot]

Type 'YES, I know what I'm doing` to continue

Surprised pikatchu.png when this breaks things

[umbral cliff]

cough Linus and installing steam in popOS cough

[glacial knot]

Yes. That one

But I've met people like that IRL

[umbral cliff]

I think all of us have

And at least personally I’ve been guilty of it at least once

(Including me accidentally typing yes to Ubuntu apt-get to remove the kernel 😂)

[glacial knot]

that's easy to fix with a live boot though

[umbral cliff]

I may have been working remote through ssh, with the server located in London (at my parents place there). Was… not fun

[strange crag]

A colleague of mine was tech support for a bunch of "monkeys" that made helped create the national phone books. The all had operation instructions and most of them wrote login details on post it notes on their desk. They refer to them DAILY! So my colleague decided to change one of the hand written passwords - just crossed it out and wrote in his own handwriting a new one. Guess what!? Got a call cos they couldnt log in! This is when we coined the acronym, "DAD's team". Stands for Dumb As Dogshit. lol

[clear ferry]

@umbral cliff this describes mod duties well

https://open.spotify.com/track/0Y2i84QWPFiFHQfEQDgHya?si=HYpKFjcVRuW8dcx99CSkgA&utm_source=copy-link

[forest edge]

local places only accept pelts and furs huh?

@tidal bronze better sell your bitcoin, it's flat lining lol

[umbral cliff]

Yep as an admin for my uni server, can definitely agree

We have a counting bot, doing very well (up to top 70 servers that the bot runs on) and people join just to ruin it now

[tidal bronze]

Is it now 😁

[umbral cliff]

Wowza

[thick crypt]

come on 😦

[junior forge]

uh

[umbral cliff]

Was that a ban 😂

[light trout]

bye bye

[low harness]

Banned

[umbral cliff]

Deserved

[opaque girder]

that was intense!

[low harness]

Anyone got to see what that was all about?

[junior forge]

Yes

[umbral cliff]

Asked to be part of something

[proven spruce]

that was weird spam, not even a link

[low harness]

There was some message too, right?

[junior forge]

But I don't want to repeat it @low harness 😄

[umbral cliff]

Then decided to use a lot of mod spam 😂😂

[proven spruce]

even spammers ain't what they used to be

[junior forge]

A spammer calling for a Mod, that is a first time 😄

[forest edge]

looked away for a min and miss everything lol

[umbral cliff]

One spammer tried to spam the only moderator online in the server i admin. Was a quick and impressive ban

[proven spruce]

i long for the malicious link days

[umbral cliff]

They called out for it 😂

Usually they avoid the mod/ admin tags

[proven spruce]

that's the best way to get banned quickly

[umbral cliff]

Hey call it a good stress test for your mod team 😂

[proven spruce]

paid spammer by baloob. testing the employees

[umbral cliff]

Well a response time of <20 seconds is decent. I call it a win

[tidal bronze]

That's a thing right ?

[forest edge]

what "thing" would that be? bad luck? lol

[tidal bronze]

No such thing as luck 😆

[forest edge]

well then I won't wish you "luck" with your bitcoin lmao

[tidal bronze]

Lol no luck needed there at all.

[proven spruce]

there is no luck involved with bitcoin

just hodl

i just bought some more with the black friday discounts

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ethereum-crypto-i-lost-all-my-money-from-bad-crypto-investments-invest-k-on-gif-21684657

[proven spruce]

well you lose money on bad investments regardless of the field

its kind of common knowledge

[tidal bronze]

Very true

[forest edge]

here trying to punch quad in the gut and blak all ruining it...

[tidal bronze]

Yesterday I gave all my thanks to BTC.

[forest edge]

oh? cash out?

[tidal bronze]

Well converted few to acres last peak.

[forest edge]

acres.. what you buy now another rental?

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[proven spruce]

if you take profits regularly it's all good...

i've actually closed my standard bank savings yesterday and the universe provided this nice dip to buy in

[tidal bronze]

Nice.

[forest edge]

it's good to know HA has it's own airbnb entrepreneur

[proven spruce]

0.05% APY in the face of 4% inflation rates doesn't suit me

[tidal bronze]

Airbnb is old now it's swimply 🤣

[proven spruce]

bit seasonal tho

[tidal bronze]

Not in LA.

[dull chasm]

What is these pings

[fathom sparrow]

Spammer

[dull chasm]

21 of them

[fathom sparrow]

Not got him

[proven spruce]

swimply probably not expanding to canada soon

[fathom sparrow]

Bot*

[dull chasm]

Ok banned?

[fathom sparrow]

Check the mod logo

Log*

[dull chasm]

Damn

[forest edge]

i thought i was late to the party.. vas all showing up hours later..

[tidal bronze]

Lol no wifi at the tractor

[dull chasm]

@forest edge working on home

[forest edge]

repairing or expanding?

[dull chasm]

@tidal bronze yep been on it since 4 am

[tidal bronze]

Me too converting e 131 to ddp this season

[dull chasm]

@forest edge both

[forest edge]

it never ends lol

[dull chasm]

Fixing garden. Clearing land. New roof floors etc etc

[tidal bronze]

That's a lot

[clear ferry]

So it begins @umbral cliff

[dull chasm]

My garden is prolly gonna be bigger thanks most people’s lot size

[forest edge]

atx just had to add his cotton candy lights

[clear ferry]

I'm a pro electrical

[tidal bronze]

A breadboard 🤔

[dull chasm]

Not looking at that

[forest edge]

that dosen't look up to code lol

[proven spruce]

#permanentinstallation

[clear ferry]

Australians hate this one trick

[forest edge]

@dull chasmwhats the temps down there? it was 25F not more than 30 mins ago.. what kind of garden work could you be doing? lol

[tidal bronze]

Gardners hate mega trees 😕

[forest edge]

wtf is a mega tree

[tidal bronze]

I can't help you there.

[forest edge]

typical response. think your police say the same thing to the store owners during all these smash and grabs lol

[tidal bronze]

79F today, wanna come down ?

[clear ferry]

To be fair, it was a test install last year that I didn't bother disassemble so it's been there since last year, that is kinda permanent

[forest edge]

it's already 80f at 7am on the west coast a few days before December?

[tidal bronze]

Always sunny .....

[forest edge]

apparently

[clear ferry]

We had -6c today, wanna come over @forest edge

.c2f -6

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Celsius To Fahrenheit

-6 degrees celsius = 21.2 degrees fahrenheit!

[forest edge]

was colder than that when i got up atx

I thought you lived somewhere cold.. global warming seems to be kicking your ass lol

[clear ferry]

Yes, I'm used to snow from September

This is getting ridiculous

https://c.tenor.com/sFc6tmZFrRIAAAAM/climate-change-climate-action.gif

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge December you said ? 😆

[forest edge]

one day those numbers will be an additional 100f and then lets see if your all gloaty about it lol

[jade tartan]

I want that weather, i wana ride my bike

[tidal bronze]

Hunter breeze would be the answer

[umbral cliff]

Agree

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze https://youtu.be/h_BKSfnN6Ts?t=179

[forest edge]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAvyCZym4tB3WckNjWSYMgCPSy9ciNjjPq4w&usqp=CAU

[dull chasm]

@forest edge I am just prepping it 🙏

It’s prolly close to a acre in size

Gotta have a @tidal bronze approved area

[dusky plank]

way too few core and ram comparisons today, cisco was not even mentioned once

I'm disappointed

[clear ferry]

What do you mean

It has one gigabit port

It's a gigabit switch

[scenic radish]

🤣

https://c.tenor.com/SC14wFp3uUUAAAAM/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference.gif

[clear ferry]

[versed ore]

Does anyone know of a product that will take the wires from a HVAC system and make them wireless? I have an ecobee, but, I need to change its location. I would prefer not to have to run new wires so I was looking to add a small box to make the HVAC wires wireless to an Ecobee or some other controller.

[clear ferry]

Yes

A esp board with some code can do that for most older hvac

[low harness]

As an alternative, leave the ecobee where it is and put up some other form of interface where you want to adjust the temperature from.

Then connect them through the smart technology aggregation system of your choice.

[versed ore]

I need to move the ecobee ... to make room for decorations 🙂

but, thinking about this more, I could cut the wire for the HVAC and install the Ecobee in the basement, even close to the HVAC unit and just use remote sensors disabling the onboard sensor.

Or, am I crazy?

[low harness]

Doesn't the ecobee regulate the temperature based on the temperature sensor in the unit itself?

You may want it in the same room as the outlet.

[versed ore]

It can use the onboard sensor and/ or remote sensors.

[low harness]

Oh. Then yes, that would probably work. Source: Never had a house with a central heating system.

[waxen lodge]

Hi all, I have a LSC Christmas light (warm white), it's a Tuya device. It's been dropping wi-fi connection after a few hours. Today I replaced the powerplug (where the wi-fi chip is in), but this hasn't fixed the issue

wi-fi coverage is fine, firmware is the most recent version, so I'm out of options.

this is the device: https://www.action.com/nl-nl/p/dummy-3006847/

[forest edge]

@waxen lodge you could try seeing if someone in #general-archived has any suggestions.

[edgy path]

Was there not an ESPhome channel?

[velvet horizon]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

Command '~esphome' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

Yes, but no, but yes, but no

[edgy path]

Thanks 😛

[forest edge]

wtf lol https://www.amazon.com/Dash-Smart-Shelf/dp/B07RRYWPPX?ref=dlx_black_gd_dcl_tlt_171_98ed6419_dt_sl7_10

[hollow glacier]

I hear those pair great with short ribs

https://tenor.com/view/tide-pod-gif-10936168

[hushed basalt]

Connected a trio of google wifis with ethernet

Went from 40mbps to modem speed on speed test

Meshes definitely suck

[forest edge]

that sounds like user error

[hushed basalt]

How

40mbps isn't unexpected for multiple hops of mesh to laptop

[forest edge]

well are these google meshes wireless n or g? lol

[hushed basalt]

Neither

AC

[forest edge]

then yea user error

[hushed basalt]

Why?

[forest edge]

54kbps due to mesh networking? I don't believe that to be hardware

[hushed basalt]

Kilobits?

What user error do you think can be made

[forest edge]

you said modem speeds, assumed you meant dial up lol

how many hops do you have?

[hushed basalt]

The modem is 100mbps

[forest edge]

you said ac

[hushed basalt]

Yes that's the wifi protocol.

[forest edge]

ac does it's mesh in 5ghz and it's still gigabit internal

regardless if your modem is 100mps your internal network is much faster

not sure what the cut rate is on 5ghz but it is not 1/2 like 2.4ghz

but even if it was, the math does not support you having a max throughput of 54kbps

unless you had a crap load of hops maybe

but usually mesh networks are 3 to 6

devices

with 1-3 hops

actually Tediore would be the one to ask for pointers on the google mesh system. he had it at one point. I do vaguly remember him saying google did something diffrent with how they handle networking or something

[scenic radish]

When I had that I never had a full mesh; I just had the single puck

[forest edge]

oh I thought you had the whole shebang

[umbral cliff]

Dropping by half if there’s significant distance isn’t unexpected. Especially if I’m a suburban environment where there’s congestion

Maybe a little lower than I would’ve expected (~60-70) but not hugely out depending on range

[ashen magnet]

I am kind of confused about esphome vs tasmota. I have ab unch of wall switches I setup with tasmota (because t here were configuration howtos for them in their wiki). Should I have gone esphome?

[forest edge]

it's preference really

both can do pretty much the same thing but they are completely different in how you set them up

[scenic radish]

Yeah, why would you think you should have gone ESPHome?

[strange crag]

wtf!! lol

[forest edge]

@clear ferry translated that from norwat

[jade tartan]

my stupid internet is still out from 1pm friday

getting really annoying

called and said my phone is out, which should have a SLA with the state where they have to fix it within 24 hrs, but my guess is they dont wana pay a tech to get called out now because overtime

shitty fucking company and it has urk'd me to a point of irrational anger

im using my phone through vpn, so it doesnt give me the "you have no hotspot plan" on my pc

[umbral cliff]

What company?

[jade tartan]

TDS

[last cedar]

Pretty sure that is danish 🤣

[hushed basalt]

No one has ever said 54kbps except you?

[dusky plank]

girlfriend thinks its getting out of control

stupid girlfriend

[umbral cliff]

What does your girlfriend think about home automation generally?

[dusky plank]

shes a fan of it fortunately

[umbral cliff]

That’s lucky

[dusky plank]

rule of thumb: make it seamless and not annoying… she especially likes to shout „good night!“ at the homepod which just turns everything off

[umbral cliff]

Now that’s a good idea 😂

[clear ferry]

You should see my wife asking me to create her isolated vlans and private ssids

[scenic radish]

https://c.tenor.com/jIjgls-jHGsAAAAM/will-ferrell-i-dont-believe-you.gif

[umbral cliff]

Does your wife work in IT too?

[orchid rose]

Just a weird kink

[young sigil]

Don't kink the cables!

[umbral cliff]

Definitely can’t be a cat-o-9 tails, I count more than 9 😂

[scenic radish]

cat9

[umbral cliff]

I count 11

Very futuristic

[clear ferry]

She holds a master in cybersecurity and malware analysis

[scenic radish]

What has she concluded about you then?

[umbral cliff]

That explains a lot then

My partner gets confused when trying to navigate windows or their android phone. Smart stuff is…. Fun 😂

[clear ferry]

She reminds me every day I'm a fucking worm infecting the house

[last cedar]

This is excellent. @clear ferry hasn't realised yet, she is running a long term analysis

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/7vau4wU94FYAAAAM/jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph.gif

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/0rrilc61q4281.jpg

[clear ferry]

Finally I can get rid of @dusky plank

https://i.redd.it/p8420v8kd3281.jpg

https://tenor.com/view/rub-hands-together-black-guy-gif-5110440

Nah bro, Austria is Germany too

[dusky plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5T2-u5WJH8

wash your mouth, mister!

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bonjour-party-inglourious-basterds-gif-14867086

[dusky plank]

we are in lockdown… and still we get omikron faster than fiber can deliver, our people are amazing

[clear ferry]

Guessing for a lockdown soon, but I don't mind, I'm going on vacation in three days

[finite atlas]

i'm at home all the time, so i dont care about it aswell

[crisp sapphire]

@clear ferry these lights. I beg of you put me out of my misery and tell me the brand/name.

Been searching for too long. Its the stupidest thing.

[jade tartan]

i love this

[finite atlas]

same

especially the audiovisual auto alert one

[fiery sorrel]

Github is down and i'm out of work 🎉 !

hi ;)

[last cedar]

Hopefully you will find work!

[fiery sorrel]

i can find some, but i happy having an excuse for not working ;D

[clear ferry]

NOK 93.62 26%OFF | 50leds 12mm WS2811 2811 IC Full Color Pixel LED Module Light input DC5V IP68 waterproof RGB color Digital LED Pixel Light
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNNrasE

I bought them for half of that two years ago

I have about 800

[fiery sorrel]

is this because alli is becoming mainstream or because of shortage? i didn't think they were any in led.

[clear ferry]

Probably a mix

[crisp sapphire]

looking to pimp the balkony up with some christmas lights

But want local control

[clear ferry]

lights https://imgur.com/a/hdwQA3j

From last year but

[crisp sapphire]

looks great

What brand?

or same brand?

[clear ferry]

The same

[last cedar]

that poor unicorn

[crisp sapphire]

No way..

[last cedar]

must have been really bad for it to be that sick

[fiery sorrel]

i want one of those huge inflatable xmas deco, but i am always afraid of the wind flying it away

[clear ferry]

Yes way

[clear ferry]

You mean cum that hard

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[clear ferry]

That is why you tie it down

[crisp sapphire]

one led per like 10 cm how tf does it look like a 144 led/m strip...

I mean ik distance does it but the effect is striking

And really bright

[last cedar]

Atxs house is 20000 square feet

[crisp sapphire]

gimme in none freedom units

[clear ferry]

15364 McDonald's menus

[last cedar]

so the scale for led to meters is off

[static schooner]

as seen from space

[last cedar]

oh, 20000 square feet is about a lot of m2

[clear ferry]

Roughly 55 racoons

[last cedar]

just divide it by 0.45865465468745468754576876847168465746815468748678165143516

simple maths

[crisp sapphire]

How bright are those leds normally? Cant imagine much from one?

[fiery sorrel]

it doesn't look that big, quite cosy :)

[last cedar]

It looks really cozy tbh

maybe 130m2?

[clear ferry]

They are very bright at 100%

[fiery sorrel]

bigger than mine, but still nowhere near "i am lost in my own house"

[clear ferry]

They are 5v too

252m2 on 800m2 land

[fiery sorrel]

i'll say that plus a full basement

damnit

[clear ferry]

Three floors

[crisp sapphire]

too few decimals. Gotta be int128

[crisp sapphire]

Sadly

[last cedar]

sorry

[last cedar]

The actual amount of land taken up though?

[clear ferry]

Closeup 5v in a total dark garage

Led https://imgur.com/gallery/iWE7iDb

[last cedar]

We have 80m2 on "top floor" and 78m2 in cellar, but it only takes up 80m2

if that makes sense

[clear ferry]

252/3 roughly?

[last cedar]

yours looks larger

is the cellar a whole floor?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[last cedar]

sweet

it looks a lot larger

(that's what she said)

[crisp sapphire]

Maybe there's been a missunderstanding. I was under the impression you were using the lights in the ali listing. Or was that last video unrelated?

[fiery sorrel]

i'am sorry she had to comfort you

[clear ferry]

That is ws2812b strip on 5v

So the light output is similar

[crisp sapphire]

Ah

[clear ferry]

As the ws2811 I use on my house that is also. 5v

This is the same string at 50% brightness in daylight

Twitching https://imgur.com/gallery/LxBX7A6

[crisp sapphire]

ye but one has a considerably higher led density

[clear ferry]

Or, dusk

Norwegian daylight in winter

[crisp sapphire]

But ye il go with those

[clear ferry]

[fiery sorrel]

I really really really need to start planing that trip to make sure i want to move there

this place is amazin

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/5jsSRv5VurQAAAAM/aurora-borealis-northern-lights.gif

[fiery sorrel]

naa,~~ don't care about that~~ (a tad to strong) it's nice but not what i look the most for

i want to see the snow, and the tree ... and people not looking like they want to murder you all the time ...

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bent-høie-karate-chop-erna-solberg-norwegian-norway-gif-21083282

[fiery sorrel]

what is that?

[clear ferry]

The Norwegian prime minister, health minister and CDC equivalent at the first COVID live communication broadcast

[fiery sorrel]

look like Norwegian natural social skill isn't a myth XD

[last cedar]

Reminds me of Prince Charles, always wanting to shake peoples hands

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-refuse-to-be-blamed-prince-charles-the-crown-its-not-my-fault-it-wasnt-me-gif-19583945

[fiery sorrel]

This is what i fear the most, with people there being in very small social circle (usually school one) and me not being good a socializing ... i might end up grumpy and alone in my wood cabin.

[clear ferry]

We are all grumpy here anyway

Just ask@last cedar

[last cedar]

Not all of you

not Gunn the firefighter

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-annoyed-mad-pissed-trying-to-sleep-gif-5628725

[fiery sorrel]

isn't that a uk thing ?

[last cedar]

Nope

Norwegian

[fiery sorrel]

good to know ! not that i know why it's good to know ... maybe some trivia for some rainy day

is solar a thing there ?
I always wanted to setup some solar, but with the very short day ....

[last cedar]

Yes

You get about 1 watt per day

But they don't need much electric, and no fuel

you can ride moose instead of using cars

[fiery sorrel]

but i like my little blue car :(

[clear ferry]

What do you mean, we have the midnight sun

[fiery sorrel]

Moose are hairy !

[last cedar]

You can get a small moose and paint it blue

https://tenor.com/view/canada-mountains-moose-babies-gif-15626152

They are all legs

like

[fiery sorrel]

yea, but it's a shy sun, no go for power steeling !

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-cindys-kitchen-having-fun-chef-drumming-gif-16791114

[fiery sorrel]

damn, i didn't disable the notif again ... sorry

[clear ferry]

I don't mind

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-walking-long-legs-gif-15271429

[clear ferry]

Just don't wake the Scotsman

[fiery sorrel]

anyhow ... github is back and i have a thingy to finish before bed ...
I'll try to plan a trip to norway around febuary, that way i'm sure they will be another lockdown around that time :D

[hushed basalt]

Mud mud mud. I like mud

Had jussssttt enough

[crisp sapphire]

Coke aint supposed to look grey chief

[amber bramble]

anyone seen any good deals on android tablets?

[red hinge]

Well, it is safe to say that my experience with HAOS is similar to my first install of pretty much any OS I have used in the past... The first time is rocky, ending up with the system being an absolute mess of files and mangled configuration files that work, but are likely to break if you look at them wrong... Best way I have found is to document it, then do a fresh install and go from there...

Last night, I actually redid the entire network, getting MAC addresses for every device, giving descriptive hostnames and IPs, and doing a whitelist scheme...

[strange crag]

Missing sunlight is probably why you lot are grumpy! 😉

[crisp sapphire]

i can confirm this. People are emotionally cold over here. A lot of ppl also take vitamin D daily.

[hollow glacier]

are those like ipads but worse and made by an ad company?

https://giphy.com/gifs/smile-laughing-ron-swanson-TUtr2Ky56D4Zy

[amber bramble]

yes to all except not worse for home automation kiosk use 😛

[hollow glacier]

i thought fire tablets were all on sale

[amber bramble]

(assuming they're rootable)

yeah I've got fire tablets now but they kind of suck

[hollow glacier]

ya not worth trying to jailbreak an ipad these days

hass ios app just runs so smooth

[amber bramble]

i was lucky though and managed to get the rootable fire tabs, but they're still on android 5 and have just about reached the end of their usefulness

[hollow glacier]

i believe it

i keep holding out for the perfect tablet but i've been looking into DIYing my own wall mount with an old laptop screen

ideally i'd want 15inch or bigger but $$ per wall/room

[amber bramble]

i might go for a 15" on the main kiosk in our living room, but i'm a pretty big fan of the 8" form factor otherwise

[hollow glacier]

my lovelace dashboards are all a work in progress but i think they'll be much more useful on bigger sizes

i have an original ipad pro 12.9 and my dashboards are pretty damn nice at that size

[dusky plank]

what is a fake ipad pro 12.9 ?

[strange crag]

I think in this case he means its an early version

[jade tartan]

can someone direct me to a HA widget?

like i wana be able to just open system tray and turn on desklight

or something quick like that

[dusky plank]

https://github.com/mrvnklm/homeassistant-desktop

[jade tartan]

thx bud

gotta see if i can make it fade up my desk light when my desktop gets turned on

ugh, theres no preset fade up.

heres another stupid question, is there a way to get a rgb entitie in HA to be seen by my pc so i can make my whole room freak out rgb when a game decides it wants to take over pc rgb?

[dusky plank]

when was the last time you touched grass @jade tartan ?

[jade tartan]

got this earlier

ignore the prepackage, it's not that, it's lemonmosa in the bag

and a moon rock

and some rosin

unless your asking when the last time i went outside was, and that would be wed, when i was at work

[dusky plank]

no i meas freshly cut lawn

breath some fresh air

[jade tartan]

yeah, wed

[dusky plank]

too long ago

[jade tartan]

i bought the only grass i need for the next several months

lol

well

i mean that as it's winter, and no grass till spring

but that will last till monday maybe

[dusky plank]

stop it

get some help

[jade tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/reefer-marijuana-madness-gif-8584332

would you prefer an edible sir?

[dusky plank]

i prefer hydro culture gorilla glue #4

[jade tartan]

LIKE I SAID

its all native american grown

so they just did the basic cheap thing and bought the packages from cali

one thing ive been hating is the quality of the power signal coming to the house

led strips been flickering occasionally

[strange crag]

thats just the ghost in the machine!

[jade tartan]

so i got aura sync to see a tas led strip with the "hue bridge emulation" checkbox

but it doesnt change it's color

[red hinge]

Huh... Seems that my server has temperature sensors on the Wi-Fi card and CPU socket, but not on the actual CPU itself...

[hollow glacier]

sucks

[red hinge]

Did set those sensors to alert me if it ever surpasses 70⁰C though...

[hushed basalt]

Sounds like the temperature in my roof

I do need to put a sensor up there

Although I would prefer something hardwired

Since a) temps would shorten battery life, and b) I don't want to get up there to change them

[neon ether]

Any thoughts where I could go to ask a question about airflow for a PC (Gaming PC that is overheating)?

[strange crag]

consider water cooling? @neon ether

[umbral cliff]

Also have you mounted the cooler right, using a decent air cooler, and have applied thermal paste?

And does your case have fans and airflow in it

[neon ether]

Yeah the issue is - radiator + fans (blowing in) at the front, 1 exhaust fan at the back. GPU is getting really warm (85c+) and I think the case is too small or not enough cool air for it. At the top of the case it's vented and I can put 2x 140mm fan, but not enough room for the radiator to go there as exhaust (as I have on my own PC). So wondering, is it best to try fans that blow in cooler air from the top to try and lower the overall temperature, or use them as exhaust, but then where will GPU get fresh air from 🤔

[strange crag]

any filters need cleaning?

[neon ether]

I also found out, there are two types of fan these days as well (static pressure and something else) so not really sure what I need

Nah, it's brand new

https://i.imgur.com/Q0t0KjY.png
Green: Fans
Blue: Room for fans
Orange: Radiator (CPU)

I am wondering if this is solvable or it may need a new case with better airflow options?

GPU is 3070 for idea of heat if that helps

[finite atlas]

your gpu is putting out nearly next to no air to the back
if you want more airflow, put 2 more fans in the top that pull the air out, put that wont really help much

[neon ether]

I think perhaps, it will be cheaper/easier to buy a new case rather than play around with fans and such

[waxen lodge]

Well, the default fans with a case are not always great either

[strange crag]

also have yoiu cleaned the fluff out of the fans on the GPU (and the rest too)?

[waxen lodge]

What case you currently have?

[neon ether]

It's only 1 week old, so no fluff

https://www.centrecom.com.au/antec-dp301m-argb-tempered-glass-compact-micro-atx-case

[strange crag]

thats your problem - MICROATX

[neon ether]

:/

[strange crag]

get a gaming size box

[neon ether]

What size?

[strange crag]

most gaming rigs are mid sized to large - all for airflow and extra goodies lol

also fairly weighty to lift!

[neon ether]

OK, I think my own is one size bigger and I have radiator at the top

[umbral cliff]

Remember hot air rises too

No point pulling cold air in at the top when hot air is already rising

I usually do hot air out at top and back. Cold in front/ bottom

[neon ether]

Yeah I think a bigger case similar to mine with air in front, air out top through radiator, might be the easiest option

thanks

[proven pasture]

hi guys - is this the right place to ask about webhooks / service calls - i know I can do this and am close but need help ! - don't wanna ask in the wrong channel...

[dusky plank]

you want #automations-archived

[proven pasture]

@dusky plank thanks - will do....

[crystal prawn]

Would it be possible to power a 60 w led strip with a 60w fast charger?

Or should I just get a real powersupply

[strange crag]

I would thenk that a led strip requires more than 5v and usually a fast charger is going to be in the order of about 15-20W isnt it?

[clear ferry]

Sounds like a bad idea

[clear ferry]

Oof, price tomorrow for power is peaking at 524øre per kWh

Compared to 3øre per kWh last year

That's a nice increase

[hushed basalt]

What's that in a currency not used by mooses

[low harness]

*laughs in fixed rate

[clear ferry]

Aud0.81 compared to Aud0.0046

@hushed basalt

[hushed basalt]

Oofph

I seem to remember a certain Norwegian boasting about their near free power

[strange crag]

noh they are making up for it lol

[hushed basalt]

My my my how the table dropped to the other foot

https://c.tenor.com/MklJGbsvG9QAAAAM/tables.gif

[strange crag]

rofl! mixing metaphors or what!

love that table idea!!

[low harness]

A few more

[strange crag]

What is the record highest load average you have had on a pie?

[clear ferry]

I had 64k on a server a few months ago

[strange crag]

pi or x86?

[clear ferry]

I preferably don't deal with arm

This was a dual socket skylake

[strange crag]

Well I have never seen it past 5 or 6, but then I got this.

and I thought WOW thats high!
However a few months later I got this

and taht was on a pi3b

and it was only running at 46 degrees C.

[dusky plank]

psssh i got it up to 800

[strange crag]

pictures or it never happened! 😉

[dusky plank]

i posted it about a month ago

go search it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/397426163649216512/907298985465761882/Bildschirmfoto_2021-11-08_um_17.00.01.png?width=357&height=103

was only the start

[clear ferry]

With proper storage I guess you could lineup the IO more efficiently

Compared to an SD card 🤢

[strange crag]

ddint find yours, but did find someone else who had it over 100. Hmm gonna have to try harder lol

[clear ferry]

100 is just a regular day on a modern system

Idling away

[strange crag]

maybe on a as400 - they're designed to run their CPU's flat out

[clear ferry]

As400 🤢

Disgusting

[umbral cliff]

Usb c fast charge can be 12v up to 90w afaik

Unsure if that’s what they meant though

[strange crag]

yeah - I know - but it was one fact that intrigued me at the time

[umbral cliff]

I know I’ve got a soldering iron that runs on usb c 🤣

[strange crag]

thank god I didt have to work on them

[umbral cliff]

Works really well

[clear ferry]

Itanium or gtfo

[dusky plank]

BCM2836 or gtfo

[strange crag]

hehehe It was my intro to datacentre where I was to look after winblows machines

[strange crag]

if thats the case then he may be able to run it, but I wouldnt trust it. How do you know what voltage you get out of it?

[umbral cliff]

Depends on the receiver chip. Since usb c negotiates a standard

Im guessing thinking about it that it’s basic 5v usb a

Since it’s dumb essentially

[strange crag]

yes, but I bet his led strip isnt going to negotiate

[umbral cliff]

Think usb c defaults to 5v too

[finite atlas]

it only gives a different voltage upon request

[scenic radish]

more voltage pls

[clear ferry]

Please notice me voltage senpai

[finite atlas]

bzzt bzzt 🌩️

[glacial knot]

I think it limits current without negotiating as well

[brazen root]

Question for sysadmins (or anyone who knows). If a script shouldn't contain a hardcoded user and password, but instead authenticate against a "secret store" server to retrieve a token or similar to later retrieve password when it's needed, how does it authenticate in the first place? I mean, it needs to log in to the vault to retrieve a password. How are these issues solved?

[clear ferry]

Well.... Where is the script running?

It could be part of a task scheduler, or an environment variable

[glacial knot]

but yes, you need to anchor your trust somehow. Depending on your setup and executors you may have different possibilities to do so

[brazen root]

That's interesting, thanks. I'm guessing that if an intruder can explore your scheduler settings or your env variables, you've lost anyway.

[brazen root]

It's just at home now running python scripts against apis, but it triggered a genuine curiosity as I imagined locking a key in a box and keeping the second key on your person.

[glacial knot]

if you store anything on the device, an attacker that can read all device state bones you, yes

[clear ferry]

Physical access is full access anyway, if they can access the user running whatever it is also full access

[glacial knot]

I like API-keys or similar when available.

[clear ferry]

Yes please

Or just private / public key pair

[glacial knot]

wonders if there's a password manager with api-key kinda structure that allows this kinda thing

[brazen root]

But if it's unique to you, would you then hardcore it?

Hardcode, damnit

[glacial knot]

keypair is nice. But API-key can have the advantage of further restricted permissions

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/1sLhRo9oyW0AAAAM/thats-pretty-hardcore-pete.gif

[glacial knot]

least privilege, easiest to change. And then hardcode for the most part

[clear ferry]

Zero trust is a wet dream

[glacial knot]

I just recently showed my boss a small script. And mid talking realized it has my local domain password hardcoded because I'm lazy

[clear ferry]

Each session gets initiated with new credentials that each session requests

[glacial knot]

I should really generate another API-key from the local jira for that script. But doing that also kinda sucks

[clear ferry]

https://www.hpe.com/emea_europe/en/software/service-identity-management.html

[glacial knot]

at least bitbucket allows to get a temporary token for http-auth via ssh

[brazen root]

Say I want to retrieve a user / pass to update a database. I can log in with my user and retrieve a token, which I then can use to retrieve the user/pass. I either have to hardcode the token (or leave it somewhere in the system), or do the same thing with my user/pass

(Is api-key == token?)

[clear ferry]

Could be

Doesn't have to be

[brazen root]

Schrodingers authentication

[clear ferry]

Better than Schroedinger's backup

[glacial knot]

it's either reocverable or not, until tested

[clear ferry]

So like 99% of all backups then

[brazen root]

Does Linux systems have environmental variables similar to windows?

If I'd want to store it there?

[clear ferry]

They did them 20 years before windows, so yes

For UNIX that is

[brazen root]

Cheers, I've just never had to use it yet.

So.. Schrodingers variables.

What if said scripts are running in docker containers? Can they access env variables on the host system?

[glacial knot]

pretty sure docker has some way to inject env variables as means to provide secrets into a templated container

otherwise they should be very embarrassed

[brazen root]

(HA is my only experience with docker, but I'd like to learn)

Yeah looks like you can inject them at build.

https://vsupalov.com/docker-build-time-env-values/

[clear ferry]

Yes i do that with multiple

https://github.com/atxbyea/docker-compose/blob/38e90cad6eac8b81a47f5d39b741e12a4a173777/hjemmetjenester.yaml#L38

[brazen root]

So this: - VALIDATION=${MADARAVALIDATION}

Looks in the computers env variables?