the-water-cooler

[subtle pasture]

Cyan Worlds seems to like using Myst remakes as a testing ground for new engine technologies. They remade Myst in the Plasma engine before using it for URU: Ages Beyond Myst. They remade Myst in the Unity engine before using it for Obduction. Now they've remade Myst in Unreal Engine 4 before using it in Firmament

[deft pewter]

It's cool if they want to use it as a test... but they're charging full price for a test.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, because it's a full game made from scratch... they didn't just dump their old assets from 1993 into Unreal Engine and call it a day.

I didn't hear anyone begging for free copies of "Wolfenstien: The Old Blood" because they had purchased "Return to Castle Wolfenstien" back in 2001

The former also being a remake of the latter

Skyrim is probably the game that actually deserves some vitriol over its re-releases, as very little has changed between the original release and the latest re-release. It's still on the same version of the Gamebryo engine, with all the same assets, though at least they were nice enough to re-compile the engine binary in 64bit

[deft pewter]

Eh. If people are dumb enough to spend money multiple times on the same game with a few more pixels, that's their choice. I'm not in that camp.

[subtle pasture]

apparently remaking all assets from scratch is just "a few more pixels". Aight...

In the case of Myst, I'd say the jump from the 1993 version of the game, which was a slideshow of 256-color, 640x480, pre-rendered, still images, to the 2021 version of the game, which is a full real-time 3D game, is probably worth the re-purchase

[brisk glen]

and before same assets stretched over 3d objects

[dull chasm]

@deft pewter I guess u was right about the kite I can’t get to my home I fear it doesn’t exist anymore

[clever mortar]

That's ... pretty bad then

I hope the family are all safe?

[dull chasm]

Our home right now

[clever mortar]

Ah, the most important family member is safe then

[low harness]

Wow that sucks. Take care!

[night zodiac]

be safe!

[midnight adder]

Today, i got kicked out of my local Mc Donalds for trying to redeem a Mc Flurry monopoly card while under 16

[night zodiac]

Is it a rule and did you have proof you're 16?

[deft pewter]

It's in the small print of the promotions, yes.

And they don't just kick people out for trying. They only kick people out for being total dicks when they're asked to go away.

[night zodiac]

I wouldn't lose my job over someone's free mcflurry

hi mono

[static schooner]

sounds like someone has some experience with this 🙂

[night zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/big-daddy-adam-sandler-sonny-koufax-will-somebody-get-the-kid-a-happy-meal-happy-meal-gif-5154828

[deft pewter]

I was behind the counter 😉

Used to work there, unfortunately. I know exactly what kind of idiot gets kicked out...

[tender forum]

That moment you realize there's already another release party coming.. Time goes by fast.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pongo-yay-101dalmatians-clock-countdown-gif-13694171

[midnight adder]

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-death-moni-rup-rupkatha-gif-22627590

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/bP2BF8uXXxgAAAAM/triggered-nicolas-cage.gif

What are we triggered about

Did someone ask how to install docker on a lightbulb

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/0VYSSnDO6E0AAAAM/triggered-sesame-street.gif

[glacial knot]

I just refuse to do tech support 😮

not because I mind giving support once
But because I've made the experience that I'm on the hook forever, when I do :/

[green inlet]

My favorite is when you help someone, fix their problem, and give their machine back and a week later they say you broke it because something totally unrelated is now not working for them.

I know you replaced my hard drive, thanks for that, but you broke my mouse…….it moves so much slower now.

[glacial knot]

exactly

[low harness]

"Sorry, I work with room-sized mainframes. I know shit about home computers 🤷 "

[hushed basalt]

"have you tried turning it off"

End of conversation

[low harness]

I actually got caught by that the other day... mom had some computer problems, something about file permissions.
She's using a mac - basically BSD - so I thought it was an actual problem.
Then after she brought the computer all the way over here I realized the problem was only in Microsoft word... so of course a reboot fixed it...

Felt doubly foolish when that made me remember a reboot was the fix the last time she had the same problem too 🤦‍♂️

[midnight adder]

you felt foolish because your mom couldn't reboot her computer?!

basically i've stopped helping my parents with their computers unless they bother me multiple times about it

at which point i don't even bother trying to "fix" it

i just backup and restore

i tell them, "i'm really not that good with computers... i'm just better at google than you are"

so previous owners left a 2gb cruizer usb stick

sitting on one of the counters before they left

i wanna know what's on it

[wet pilot]

fire up a live boot of linux, plug in the usb drive

[midnight adder]

yeah downloading debian live atm, i'm unpacking still and i gotta find a usb drive though

[low harness]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Killer

If you're lucky it's building drawings.

[midnight adder]

^ that would be nice maybe.

so no building science chats here 'eh?

[low harness]

gotta find a usb drive
Ironic...

[midnight adder]

it's like needing a usb drive when you have a usb drive. alanis

to find out she was god tho.

[low harness]

Like when you buy scissors in a blister pack, so you need scissors to open them.

[midnight adder]

i imagine lots of people probably slice themselves pretty bad with a kitchen knife trying to open stuff like that

amazing it's not illegal

shrug

[deft pewter]

That's what your SAK/Leatherman is for, no?

[clever mortar]

Gerber, please

[deft pewter]

Ok, Daryl

[clever mortar]

I say that only because my second hand set are still going strong "some" years on

[deft pewter]

My fanciest multitool is a SAK I was gifted. Haven't found a reason to get anything more serious yet.

I quite like some of the fancy knives you see on /r/edc but I have no need for them.

Also, butter knife laws 😢

[clever mortar]

I have no great need of the Gerber, but it was free

Handy for keeping in the car

[deft pewter]

Oh no... that'd be premeditation 😂

[clever mortar]

I'd be far more worried about the tyre iron or fire extinguisher personally 😄

[deft pewter]

Those have legit uses in/around a car though. Police are mongs when it comes to multitools or folding knives.

I get why... but they take it too far.

[clever mortar]

Eh, I think it's a lot of situational - I've never had a problem, but then I've never had a problem with the police. Any interactions have always been polite and calm

I'm not going to get pulled over for doing 50 in a 20 and then go off on the police...

Worst encounter I've had was getting a ticket for being parked in a no parking zone, 1 minute after the restrictions started. I was annoyed, but it was pretty clear I was annoyed at myself for not noticing

[deft pewter]

I've never had trouble either but the consequences are ridiculous. Isn't it something like 5 years of jail time just for possession of an illegal knife in public? And that's when it's not even clear when it's acceptable.

Going camping... carry a knife. Going into town for drinks... don't carry a knife. What about the range of activities in the middle?

[clever mortar]

So, carry one with a folding blade under 3 inches and you'll be fine 😛

[pliant niche]

That sounds like an insane amount of time for just carrying a knife, considering that you sometimes need to buy knifes and get them home

[clever mortar]

That's fine

[deft pewter]

If they were still in their packaging and you were travelling home from the shops, I think they'd let you off.

[clever mortar]

But wandering around with the knife 3 days later, not so fine

[deft pewter]

It's when you have a 6 inch kitchen knife down the back of your trousers that they'll be suspicious.

And some inner city areas in the UK have awful problems with knife crime, so it's understandable that they're strict about it.

[pliant niche]

I guess a lot of it is up to the common sense of the police too

[deft pewter]

Common sense 😂

We all know it ain't that common.

[pliant niche]

True, true

[clever mortar]

I suppose I'm also a bit eh about it since I spent years doing archery, and carrying around a bow and arrows in public

Frankly those are way more dangerous than some piddly little knife

[deft pewter]

Way less concealable too though.

[clever mortar]

Somewhat, true

[deft pewter]

Knives are nasty. You'd never know someone's carrying until it's too late.

[pliant niche]

I used to have a friend in York that found an old law, that you could kill a Scot if he was openly carrying a bow in York, or something like that

[clever mortar]

Glasgow... two razor blades are all you need, no knife required

[deft pewter]

Yeah, one of those old laws that'd never stand in court 😉

[pliant niche]

Oh absolutely not, but it's funny they still exist

[deft pewter]

Hell, I made a mess of my own face the other day with a straight razor and I was trying not to draw blood... 🤣

[midnight adder]

full tang bowie hanging off my hip l ike jax teller

[low harness]

I finally bought a leathernan after years of wanting one. Was afraid I’d feel like ”that guy” when carrying it. But I use it. Every. Single. Day.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, multitools are amazingly useful.

[low harness]

The wave+ is such a well balanced combination of everyday tools too.

[deft pewter]

I use mine a little less now that I have a little multitool key - that's my go-to for stuff like opening boxes and prying/unscrewing easier stuff.

[midnight adder]

i want the locking pliers leatherman

[deft pewter]

This goes with me everywhere: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00N24X5MQ

[midnight adder]

my klein backpack is always in my truck

multimeter, 11 in 1, 14 in 1, wire cutters, lots of bits and bobs for joining wires

[low harness]

A great thing I found for the not-every-day bag is the xiaomi/wiha bit screwdriver.

[midnight adder]

@low harness idk what you mean by that. they need a special bit?

[low harness]

No. Just a good high quality kit

[midnight adder]

ah, right arm.

lock box for the alarm needed a special key

i just shoved a flat blade in it and spun till the whole lock twisted

@low harness this one https://www.amazon.ca/Xiaomi-Precision-Screwdriver-Magnetic-Electronics/dp/B07FZ5DSWC/ref=asc_df_B07FZ5DSWC/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459299286865&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11878775010246840621&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001335&hvtargid=pla-569123019020&psc=1

?

all my screw drivers are klein

[low harness]

Yes

[midnight adder]

that is a pretty nice little set i'll tell you what

18v battery operated hand tools. blue red or yellow?

[low harness]

I got some store brand, but also some blue

[midnight adder]

oh nice. everything i rock is bosch.

[dull chasm]

@deft pewter not quite a kite but not good

[midnight adder]

worst part about bosch is they have no wirsbo expander

dewalt also makes this threaded rod cutter that looks awesome if you do lots of hangers

i just about broke down and got a bosch multitool the other night trying to put the R/O in the island

[deft pewter]

How bad is it?

[deft pewter]

Ouch. Did the tree hit anything important?

[midnight adder]

@dull chasm is that a natural flood area? how frequently does this flood like this?

[deft pewter]

It's Louisiana, and they just had a hurricane...

[dull chasm]

No it’s not a natural food area

Yes about 10 k in shed plus leaning against house so I don’t know

My signal is bad so I might lose connection again for hours

[midnight adder]

you over cellular?

that tree looks long ded

https://flair.co/

i just want the smart supply/return grills

how often do you think when a new home is handed over to a customer it's been balanced... the branches for the ducting to promote appropriate ACPH

you don't see ducts sealed very often around these parts.

dude is selling envisalink 4 on marketplace for less than half the retail price. just the board. he claims it works. do you buy things off marketplace like this?

[deft pewter]

I don't know who you're talking to...

[midnight adder]

that's okay

[deft pewter]

You also already know about #hardware-archived.

[midnight adder]

not really a hardware question though imo. it's more-so about the likelihood i might get a defective or broken product from a seller that will likely not do a return

rolls the dice

[deft pewter]

Probably the channel most likely to have any experience with that will be... #hardware-archived

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-gif-22575600

[dull chasm]

@midnight adder no tree was not almost dead a cat 4 hurricane did that damn

[deft pewter]

Yeah, it looks light inside. No rot 🤷‍♂️

[midnight adder]

what kind of tree is it?

[deft pewter]

A dead one.

[midnight adder]

bald cypress?

[dull chasm]

No a pine

Pretty obvious in pic

[midnight adder]

super obvious in pic

[deft pewter]

To anyone that knows the difference between a long-dead tree and a recently-dead tree anyway

[midnight adder]

or someone who knows the difference between a short dead tree vs a long one

don't see trees much with that kind of size where i'm from

[deft pewter]

I guess there aren't many in the city.

[midnight adder]

where i'm from it's pretty much all commercialized farming

it's flat and prairies as far as the eye can see

the running joke is, "you can watch your dog run away for days"

[deft pewter]

Ah, so you're Dutch?

[midnight adder]

russian, french, meti, scandinavian

gmt -6 is my timezone

another hint would be... it can go from -40 celcius in the winter to +40 celcius in the summer

[clever mortar]

Could be Canada 😛

[deft pewter]

But all Canadians are lumberjacks, and that would surely mean they've seen big trees before.

[midnight adder]

chiainsaws we operate 'em right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-glHAzXi_M&ab_channel=brichmond

[deft pewter]

I feel like I should brush up on my knowledge of the US. Can someone tell me if this is accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu0O-q7Kf2k

[red mist]

100% obvi, well not enough guns but....

[midnight adder]

right now in canada that would probably be considered offensive

lets hear it for sustainable development!

[tired temple]

Just another project to share

[hushed basalt]

Noice

Probably better in #diy-archived though

[young sigil]

Or Share Your Projects on the forum. https://community.home-assistant.io/c/projects/9

[hushed basalt]

Microsoft Teams is pretty gross

[tired temple]

Ok will do that sorry.

Internet went down this morning... Am I glad everything in the house works local 😅

Only thing I hate is that I can't login to my system. Maybe I will look for an option with a sim card so I can always reach home assistant when I'm away

[pliant niche]

Just an unrelated internet down, or are you also in hurricane territory? I hope everyone is safe

[tired temple]

No just a casual down. I live in the Netherlands. I can't imagine what people are going through every year with these hurricanes. It's terrible

Losing everything in a storm...

[last cedar]

OH MY GOD 😻

🤣

[hearty depot]

just got an unpesant reminder

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/q8zVeCMGC-IAAAAM/billy-bob-thornton-eating.gif

[low harness]

Shut up! I won't even get the boat out of the water for weeks!

[restive vapor]

How does this happen

Nodemcu getting hot?

[young sigil]

#diy-archived

[restive vapor]

I want to ask how to prevent it

[young sigil]

So ask in #diy-archived

[velvet horizon]

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[restive vapor]

And is there any free hosted hass

[young sigil]

What?

[restive vapor]

Lol I can't keep my raspberry pi 24hour on

[young sigil]

Read the topic. "No support" in this channel.

[low harness]

Who were you, DenverCoder9? WHAT DID YOU SEE???

[hushed basalt]

Here's the answer on this geocities page

[wet pilot]

not enough raccoons in here

[last cedar]

I am in the middle of moving container

So been moving all my trash and doormats

VERY sorry

[wet pilot]

haha

[restive vapor]

How do I change current working directory in dockerfile

[deft pewter]

https://www.google.com/search?q=dockerfile+change+working+directory

[static schooner]

with..."cd". that's a weird question

[deft pewter]

No, not inside the container. In the Dockerfile that defines the image.

[static schooner]

right, "RUN cd xxx"

[deft pewter]

But it still took Darren longer to type his question here than it did for me to Google for him.

[static schooner]

alright, I'll back out

[restive vapor]

This only apply to this run command only

[wet pilot]

https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/#workdir

Docs are your friend and the docker docs are quite good

[restive vapor]

Thanks

[deft pewter]

Google is also quite good

[brisk glen]

so is BING

[static schooner]

👆 unpopular opinion

[brisk glen]

bing is very popular, soo popular that it is on almost every computer out there

almost like someone is shoving it down your throat

[static schooner]

I chuckle when Windows tries to persuade me to use IE/Edge/etc. as I'm downloading chrome, and MacOS does the same for Safari

[brisk glen]

except I like safari lol

and... I do like the new edge

[wet pilot]

And they're all basically chrome anyway

[restive vapor]

how to disable cache in dockerfile

[static schooner]

did you search?

[restive vapor]

yes but they all suggest using build commands which i can't cause my cloud provider has auto build and i can't pass parameter

[subtle pasture]

Yikes, I forgot how slow ripping from DVD was... and it's not a CPU bottleneck

65% utilization. I literally can't read fast enough from the disc drive to saturate my CPU

-1 for optical media

[fickle gorge]

Noticed something neat while looking at the graph of my bedroom temperature. You can clearly see when the room was occupied.

Interesting how much the 100-ish watts of heat a human produces matters.

[fickle gorge]

Big brain idea: Presence detection by temperature

[static schooner]

Kinda like PIR motion sensors

[fickle gorge]

But a lot slower.

[jade tartan]

whats that website you can paste your logs into?

[jade tartan]

nvm

you know i just want the xbox intigration to let me mess with my wife

i wana hit x to reload while she is playing cod and mess with her

but it doesnt let you send controller commands while in game it seems

lol

[hushed basalt]

Most likely for hacking prevention

[subtle pasture]

Wow, piCorePlayer is... janky af...

Not sure why so many people recommend this

[jade tartan]

so i got this smart outlet, that if you plug a lamp with an led in it, it stays on, passes enough standby voltage for led's to light up

but with a duct fan pluged in, it doesnt seem to have enough to energize the fan

any ideas why it might do that?

[hushed basalt]

My guess is transient leakage on the neutral

Which probably isn't switched

https://youtu.be/_bgUy6zA0ts

[jade tartan]

UGH

so i got these outlets

and they appearently have energy monitoring

but HA doesnt see them

[clever mortar]

#integrations-archived can help with integrating things with HA, and #energy-archived for all your energy related stuff

[real tinsel]

when release 9 will out? I did receive the notification in facebook, but until now the HA dont find any update

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

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[clever mortar]

Short answer is when it's fixed, there's some chatter in #330990055533576204 about it

[last cedar]

This!

Ikeas trådfri are like that. Have an led light that flashes every few seconds with one of our outlets

[young sigil]

Put a bypass capacitor on it.

[brisk glen]

forget PIR, when you cat or dog can set it off, use object detection

[last cedar]

I hate it when your pet cat is a mega chonk and triggers all the sensors

[brisk glen]

Raccoons are not cats

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/TtVV2Mbx1ZcAAAAM/cute-cat.gif

[quasi pike]

looking to buy another makesbymike wall mount for a new fire 7 (thanks amazon summer sale it was only £35!)... however with shipping to UK the mount works out more than the tablet! So..... does anyone in UK want to split shipping with me?!

andor where best to post for takeup? forum? reddit? here somewhere?

[clever mortar]

Forum and/or reddit

[last cedar]

Same thing, minus the thumbs

[deft pewter]

Wait, cats have thumbs? 🤔

[last cedar]

15, on each paw

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-good-job-gif-5521424

[winter rampart]

some background...
https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/30/element-acquires-gitter-to-get-more-developers-on-board-with-the-open-matrix-messaging-protocol/

[glacial knot]

Hm, interesting

[winter rampart]

old news, but from a dev perspective it's better in my (lite developer of other things) opinion. https://gitter.im connects to github easily, which can be easily bridged to https://matrix.org.
matrix rooms bridged from gitter are not e2ee'd, but encrypted rooms can be created on the matrix side separately.
not trying to stir the pot, just providing some information.

[clever mortar]

Joins server, and first posts are to say you're using the wrong chat system 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/mad-gif-18251962

[hearty shell]

hi everyone, im having this error on my home assistant logs and makes homeaasistant reboot every hour

ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Watchdog found a problem with Home Assistant API!

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[hearty shell]

i have home assistant mounted on a VM on proxmox

[clever mortar]

I suspect you want your install method channel

-> Info -> Installation type (or something like that)

[static schooner]

could have been raccoons

[winter rampart]

and you reply to a post without reading the whole thing.
as i said above, i'm not trying to stir the pot, just provide info.

[clever mortar]

I read it

Doesn't change that your first posts on joining the server were to stir up the pot... 😉

[winter rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-abide-the-big-lebowski-stir-gif-3523187

[clever mortar]

It's not like that's going to suddenly cause HA to shift over again

[winter rampart]

don't expect it to, just providing info.

[velvet horizon]

@winter rampart When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

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[winter rampart]

where did HA start before discord?

[clever mortar]

@winter rampart

@winter rampart

@winter rampart stop tagging

@winter rampart

The answer though is ... Gitter

It was too limited

[deft pewter]

Gitter sucks ass.

[clever mortar]

Nah, it's not evolved that far yet

[deft pewter]

I'd rather see HA move to IRC than back to Gitter.

[winter rampart]

thanks...@clever mortar 😉

[deft pewter]

I feel a kick coming up...

[glacial knot]

I’m sure there’s some irc integration for Ha

With some lib purple, it could probably send messages to Gitter

[last cedar]

It usually is raccoons

[glacial knot]

🥋

[deft pewter]

Hmm. If you can't get HA into IRC, get IRC into HA: https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-thelounge

Ok, this movie looks ridiculous: https://youtu.be/QRbsmbr4HFM

[midnight adder]

"New"

[clever mortar]

It's all relative

[static schooner]

I’ll bet Gitter doesn’t have that stupid auto tag on reply feature

[deft pewter]

This one?

[static schooner]

That’s the one

[bitter pawn]

@last cedar what you do now?

[static schooner]

Then there’s my ongoing issue with unread messages not appearing. Discord support has escalated that

It’s driving me crazy

[bitter pawn]

so yer telling me, that if discord continues on this path....you will go mentally unstable?

[deft pewter]

Let's just go back to bulletin boards.

[low harness]

You mean when the sidebar shows the channel in white, but there's nothing new there? Isn't that when a message was deleted?

[static schooner]

Channels appear unread until I click on a channel. Then all the unread channels show up

Same with tags. I get the badge on the server, but nothing in the channel list until I click on something there

Web/Windows/MacOS/iOS - happens everywhere. Going on 3 weeks

[vivid fox]

It could be worse. On slack it says unread until I keep clicking the up button, then it keeps scrolling further and further up even if I’ve seen the thread since then

Clearing the unread takes like 30 seconds

[static schooner]

I get annoyed at that, too, but I can just hit the "x" on the message to clear them

[deft pewter]

Hands up if you don't like bad taxidermy.

Oh my. And this is a thing: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8871441/Taxidermist-sets-business-selling-Animalgamations-body-parts-different-animals.html

[shut lynx]

Hello all just new here !

[dull chasm]

Amazing power of natur e

I think I know why ac is not working

[forest edge]

time to build on stilts

[hushed basalt]

It's now a ground coupled AC 😅

"Company quoting $20k for ground sourced heat pump"

Me buring my AC for free

[vivid fox]

A family member got 13” of water in their basement. They killed the power to their furnace, water heater, etc in advance. This morning they were water free and I told them to clean the circuit boards with distilled water before powering on, but they refused because the water would damage them more. They turned the power back on…now they’re at a hotel.

So close…

They also refused to buy a sump pump yesterday because they didn’t have a sump pit to put it in.

[tidal bronze]

You and family safe and sound ?

[tawdry charm]

Were you able to add it to home assistant? I might have to return mine if I can't get it to show up

[dull chasm]

@tidal bronze barely but yes sir thanks

[midnight adder]

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/09/02/pwned-the-home-security-system-that-can-be-hacked-with-your-email-address/

[tidal bronze]

Great to hear. 👍

[midnight adder]

ask jeeves

[hearty shell]

hi everyone, anyone her from nabu casa?

[young sigil]

Her who?

[low harness]

What's your actual question?

[neon hawk]

how do u not break the HAOS filesystem?

how does it live for more than 5 months at a time without a total rebuild?

[clever mortar]

Easy

1. Don't run #330990055533576204
2. Ask for help with #330990055533576204 in the #330990055533576204 channel

[low harness]

A high quality SD card helps too.

[neon hawk]

just pissed cos its broken so many times on different SD cards then memory sticks now on its own pc with an SSD - lasted 3 weeks

brand new SSD also

[clever mortar]

SSD dying isn't a #330990055533576204 fault, that's a crappy SSD issue

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead/

[neon hawk]

never had a WD SSD fail on me after 3 weeks

its spent the night doing tests - the hardware is fine

[clever mortar]

Well, #330990055533576204 is the place for help if you want any with #330990055533576204

[neon hawk]

i think i will try the docker route

[dusky plank]

its power. power fluctuations lead to corruption, the best ssd/sd in the world will not change that when it does not get the proper power

[last cedar]

Can confirm, Moses stone is still holding data after all these years, it is a power thing

[brittle lake]

If you want a "quick fix" for power issues, run things over PoE and put a UPS between the mains and your PoE switch. (You can get "shields" for Pi computers, for example)

That way you can keep the device small, and you were probably running ethernet to it already anyway.

[clever mortar]

I've not seen any actual PC's run on PoE, that'd be pretty impressive

[brittle lake]

Not done it with a PC tower, no.

[last cedar]

The only issue with that is the whiney fans on the poe hats :(

[brittle lake]

Put it in the garage.

Then again, I just think PoE is the best thing since sliced bread. I'd have a PoE alarm clock if one existed 😉

[hushed basalt]

You can get PoE for pi with out fans

After market

Not sure on current capacity though

[neon hawk]

in my case the power is a 500W Corsair PSU

its been running the same motherboard, CPU, RAM etc for about a year with no downtime other than when i am tinkering and updating it, so I do not think power is the issue

[dusky plank]

I never experienced corruption with normal operation, thus for me it is always power. i assumed you run on a pi where these things happen a lot (as you describe) - but still: 500W doesn‘t mean anything with bad cabling.

[deft pewter]

So I'm no pro athlete but this is a nice improvement on my 37 minute 5k's earlier this year:

https://i.imgur.com/A7JDtUt.png

Now I'm going to go die.

Almost got my fastest mile down to 8 minutes too. Still got a lot of work to do to beat Roger.

[glacial knot]

I’m surprised that people who use miles is minutes, not fractions of a quarter of a hand egg game

[young sigil]

They should use the furlong–firkin–fortnights unit system instead. The speed of light is 1.8026e12 furlongs per fortnight.

[hushed basalt]

How many odos to a quark

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-what-huh-what-are-you-talking-about-gif-14514932

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/i07XABdz5usAAAAM/star-trek-deep-space-nine.gif

https://c.tenor.com/S8mtsdG9UbAAAAAM/star-trek-deep-space-nine.gif

[hushed basalt]

Urgh people with fireplaces in suburbs

Especially people who burn shit wood and don't maintain and operate their fireplaces properly

Get your crap out of my air

[young sigil]

You can report them to the council here.

[static schooner]

lol, I tried to link to this image and Discord rejected it with this:

https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/2200xauto/public/wire/legacy/bygrhgrcyaegcje_0.jpg

[hushed basalt]

Nothing like that here

[jovial igloo]

Okay everyone I have a random question. Does anyone use Tellstick?

[deft pewter]

I'll only use miles for distances while driving. If I'm running, it's km, because that's what race distances are measured in 🤷‍♂️

[deft pewter]

lol... well to be fair, it does look like a scrotum.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, we don't do spam here

[hearty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-intensifies-yum-gif-13948300

[deft pewter]

And it's a referral link too, so they're not even doing it because they think they're being helpful.

[hearty depot]

shuld I spend ~600$ on a 4tb SSD... really really wnat to, but its nuts

[wet pilot]

which one?

[hearty depot]

PM9A3

https://serverpartdeals.com/collections/solid-state-drives/products/samsung-pm9a3-mz-ql23t80-mzql23t8hcls-00a07-3-84tb-pcie-gen-4-0-x4-8gb-s-read-intensive-2-5-solid-state-drive

[deft pewter]

Weren't Samsung one of the companies caught downgrading parts in their drives and still marketing them as the same model?

Not sure I'd trust them right now.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, specifically the 970 Evo Plus

No indication they've swapped parts on any of their other drives, as of yet

The 970 Evo Plus is one of their most popular SSDs, and given the current chip shortage, I can imagine they're having trouble building enough of them to meet demand

However, that doesn't excuse silently swapping components and continuing to sell it like nothing changed

[deft pewter]

This just means they haven't been caught yet...

WD and Samsung within weeks of each other, both using the same excuse.

If they need to use inferior parts, that's fine. Launch the resulting product under a new SKU.

[bitter pawn]

WD swapped to inferior parts

samsung to their credit, swapped for similar

LG also swapped to inferior parts iirc

but yeah samsung was kinda sketchy on it.

[deft pewter]

潮玩客 first tested the old and new 970 Evo Plus drives using CrystalDiskMark, and the drives appeared near-identical. But that's because CrystalDiskMark by default uses a very small 1GiB test size, which clearly is not enough to exhaust either drive's write cache. (We at Ars frequently use CrystalDiskMark—but we select larger test sizes, for precisely this reason.)

In longer tests, both drives decrease sharply in performance as cache fills, which is expected. But while the older drive retains nearly two-thirds of its original performance, the newer version craters to less than a third. We can see this effect not only in artificial benchmarks, but also in large file copies, as seen in 潮玩客's later tests.

Large transfers result in way lower throughput compared to the original.

Half the performance 🤷‍♂️

[dusky plank]

anybody have recommendation for a 2 bay nas? i just want to put in big hdds, store data on it, raid 1 to be safe, low power and fast transfer
ideally with ssh and nfs access

looking at DS218 with 2x wd red 10tb now, maybe someone knows better

[midnight adder]

just copped a envisalink 4 for $40 canadian dollhairs

@mston

xpenology

[dusky plank]

i rather stick with the original, i had a dsm running for more than 10 years now for off site backups in my parents house… which is not possible anymore now thus i search for something new now

[midnight adder]

i i got a small 2 bay synology nas

had i known about xepnology prior i wouldn't have purchased it though

even though it claims it's a 4 core 1.4ghz process and 512mb of ram

its pretty slow

cause i got a x5150 in my mechanical room with 4tb of storage. only reason i wanted it was cause of moments though

but with new dsm moments is no more

it's called "synology photo"

which doesn't include all the moments stuff

[dusky plank]

i just need storage + transfer speed, i have other machines which do the heavy crunching

[midnight adder]

exactly

as long as the case is black you're probably okay

the black ones are the ones that are supposed to do everything

i think you can even paravirt to some extent. idk about bare metal virt thugh

[dusky plank]

no need for all of that 😄 as i said i just want ssh and nfs combined with raid 1 and tramsfer speed

[junior burrow]

hi everyone, new member here, i got a question about a config on the config.yaml can anyone help me pointing to the right section?

[static schooner]

What is the question?

[junior burrow]

well i hope i can answer this in a shortway, i want to track my phone so when i come home automations happened, i add a ping to it in the config.yaml (and it kind of works) but i want to experience with bluethooth device tracking, i got a code but its not working....

[mystic kraken]

When hue bulbs aren't bright enough

[last cedar]

Jank af

[subtle pasture]

Heh, camera caught the PWM flicker on the Hue bulb

[pallid pendant]

Hi, I live in a flat at the 3rd floor, and my gaz counter is in the caves at the -1 floor. I've no possibility to put a cable between the two, so I was wondering if there was some long range radio emiters/receivers for low bandwidth data, I would like to have my gaz cunsumption in home assistant

[clever mortar]

As mentioned in the channel topic, this isn't the place to ask that. You're probably best off asking in #hardware-archived

[hushed basalt]

@last cedar

[last cedar]

Goals!

Imagine how useful the thumbs would be

[leaden sun]

First time posting on this server. What is the right channel to ask for help regarding custom card installed through HACS? For god sake, I cannot figure how to add it to lovelace.

Thx

[young sigil]

#frontend-archived

[iron jay]

what is going on with the latest update on HA and supervisor? my setup is not working despite restart of HA and reboot of the server.

[deft pewter]

What's going on is that support questions go into support channels.

#330990055533576204 or #330944238910963714 depending on how you installed.

Oh, you already did. You just felt like crossposting?

[velvet horizon]

@iron jay Please DO NOT cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

Command '.crosspost' was invoked by: mono

[iron jay]

just wanted to generally understand if something got reported. There was no intention of x posting. The other post contains details on my problem. Sorry if this is considered as X posting.

[deft pewter]

It is.

There's plenty of discussion in the relevant channels about the issue. Just scroll through or search the history to find it.

[iron jay]

seems like I did not enough research. I looked in the HA_supervised channel only. could you be so kind and point me to a channel ? TIA.

[clever mortar]

Find your install method in -> Info

[deft pewter]

I'll point you at this:

[clever mortar]

Find the channel that matches

[velvet horizon]

@iron jay When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '.reply' was invoked by: mono

[deft pewter]

They found the channel already. They're just crossposting here 🤷‍♂️

[hearty depot]

just my opinion but

(here I run OS myself, lazy fuck as I am 🤣 )

[boreal pewter]

Where can I ask for bluetooth?

[clever mortar]

Well, that's down to the question - find the channel that best fits the question you have

If you can't work it out, as it says in the topic here, ask in #general-archived

[boreal pewter]

Thx

[vivid fox]

I don’t see the appeal of supervised

The OS I get for the lazy or dedicated hardware, but at that point…why?

[static schooner]

The HA devs would like to see it go away

[vivid fox]

You still have to manage the OS and overall it seems to be a net complication

[static schooner]

it is

[amber bramble]

I ran supervised for a while for the addon store but switched to HA OS in a VM because that was way easier than maintaining an entire box

[subtle pasture]

Go galaxy-brain and run VMWare ESXi on a Pi, then run HA OS on that 👌

Should work, though VMWare recommends using a Pi with 4 or 8GB of RAM so you can actually run more than one or two VMs

[vivid fox]

I’ll stick with my NUC, and super stable and not complex Debian install

I have no need to emulate hardware when I can simply containerize the software. Emulating hardware can make sense when running something like windows on top of Linux, but Linux on Linux it makes little sense. A lot of overhead for no benefit.

[hushed basalt]

I use proxmox but I'm over virtualising

I'll probably swap to freenas scale

Although that looks a bit second rate for configuration as code

[vivid fox]

Proxmox is a good hybrid model. As I understand it, it can emulate hardware or just containerize

Worried about incompatibilities, emulate hardware, otherwise, software

I’m working with a large social media platform at the moment and their entire infrastructure are essentially task-specific docker containers. They can spin up automatically as load increases, and destroy to save AWS instance costs when load drops. Misbehaving instances just get destroyed. Cluster swarms and such are obviously a thing but it’s a pretty neat model to see how it works at scale, distributed across the globe

They also routinely destroy and recreate so even if one is breached, it’s time limited

[hushed basalt]

I can't get proxmox working with usb passthrough

I'm doing everything right, it just doesn't work

I'll probably move over to truenas and k8s eventually

Are you using ecs or eks

[vivid fox]

I think it’s eks. I’m a bit on the outside. Their lawyer, just helping with some issues that require me to understand their entire software development lifecycle and network OPs/cyber security

[hushed basalt]

Just be glad it's not serverless

[lost yarrow]

this is magnificent

[visual knoll]

I am a terrible person

[brisk glen]

https://i.redd.it/l8mom1rpxcl71.jpg

[subtle pasture]

I gave up on Proxmox. Too little support, no easy migration path to or from other virtualization software, no real backup software for it, etc

Currently running ESXi, thinking of switching to RHV / OVirt

OVirt is basically "RedHat does vSphere"

Runs virtual machines and containers, like Proxmox, but honestly seems better in every way. Veeam just added support for it, as well, so I can even keep my backup chains intact

Just need to put some storage in my virtualization hosts. They're currently running from MicroSD cards (because ESXi is an embedded OS), but pretty much any other solution (oVirt, Proxmox, Hyper-V, etc) is a full-fat OS that needs real local storage

[hushed basalt]

Zoo is packed for fathers day

[glacial knot]

I assume these are the exhibits?

[hushed basalt]

Warm spring day and free entry for dads

Extremely busy

[low harness]

So... I bought a Dyson vacuum yesterday without telling my SO...

It's going back to the store today 😦

[last cedar]

Which one?

Had a DC14 back in the day, it was a beast!

[low harness]

V11

I admit it's not pretty

[young sigil]

Bugger. I've got the V8. it's very handy for cleaning up the bits the robots miss.

And the robot filters.

[low harness]

That was my plan too. A complement to the robot for upholstery and stuff.

Lol. Machine translated reviews... "If you want the best cleaning detergent circular, search no further (if you want the best cleaning tool around, look no further)" "the top of Dysons cordless empty space area ( vacuum range)" "places the glove downwards (I think you get this one)" "all the new clocks and pipes (bells and whistles)".

But as we say in Sweden, there's no danger on the roof, I get what they mean.

[deft pewter]

places the glove downwards = hands down?

Or throwing down the gauntlet? 🤔

I do love 'empty space area'.

[low harness]

That was a bit of interpretation from my side. In Swedish "vakum" for "vacuum" is used strictly in the scientific sense. The correct word to use translates directly to "dust-sucker".

Which makes it equally hilarious both ways.

[deft pewter]

Scandinavian and Germanic languages make things way too literal. Boring 😂

At least 'vacuum cleaner' explains how, not just what.

[hushed basalt]

Cute doggos

[low harness]

Oh right. You're at the zoo. Had me worried there for a second.

[hushed basalt]

Daughter has decided she's scared of lions

To be fair she was like 2ft away from them

[deft pewter]

Did you put her in the enclosure? 😱

[hushed basalt]

Survival of the fittest

[deft pewter]

RIP lion

[hushed breach]

hi, ive been setting up my Home Assistant at home and quite a few people have suggested trying to turn it into a sort of product (smartifying peoples houses). I was wondering what you guys thought of this; is it a good or bad idea? would it actually be profitable? have people tried setting this sort of thing up before?

[clever mortar]

To answer the last point, yes people have

You'd better be pretty awesome at HA and the platform you run it on though, and there's a bunch of forum threads touching on the things you should consider

Profitable depends on where in the world and what the whole service you plan on offering would be

Good or bad... this is a platform that's constantly evolving. Cloud services change or shut down all the time, or break. You need to handle that, and far more

[hushed breach]

im not awesome at it atm, however I am fairly quick at learning and have a decent amount of programming experience already so assuming I could set up a default home assistant instance with all the integrations I could need and a nice dashboard I could go in and setup a couple shelly-1s and some other sensors to do things such as smartify lights, doorbell and garage door fairly quickly

[clever mortar]

You're qualified for electrical work in your country?

You need to ensure you have suitable insurance, and all the other red tape required for running a business

[hushed breach]

no, however my country has access to courses that can enable you to get qualified over things like 6 month courses where you go in once a week so it isnt really a problem

so if I decided to set it up and decided on a suitable business model I could do that course while further familiarising myself with Home Assistant and get started after that

but yeah ive realised over the past couple months that my brain is kinda just wired to programming so where I struggle to focus and concentrate on normal things I can spend like 10 hours straight debugging errors trying to setup devices no problem lmao

so thought it could be cool to monetise that haha

[clever mortar]

You'll want to learn more too. You need to learn the operations side too - how to keep systems running, remote access, troubleshooting system failures, etc.

[hushed breach]

yeah that would all be awesome to learn and get working haha

also, on a completely unrelated note, how come home assistant doesnt officially support running homeassistant supervised as a docker instance?

[clever mortar]

Because it's not a Docker image...

There's a pinned image in #general-archived that explains it more

Also, stay away from Supervised

Supervised is not your friend, particularly if you're not an experienced system admin

[hushed breach]

oh okay, Ive been using supervised as I wanted to use the add-ons and couldnt be stuffed researching a way to do it in homeassistant os/container

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-a-mistake-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-made-a-mistake-somethings-wrong-gif-20523229

[hushed breach]

lmao, as I said im very much not amazing at this stuff but am loving learning abt it

[clever mortar]

See the topic of #330944238910963714 for why it's a mistake, and that channel can explain more about it

[deft pewter]

Another point: don't expect a warm welcome here if you're charging your clients and asking us to support you with your problems (for free...).

[hushed breach]

yeah that absolutely makes sense

[deft pewter]

If you're going to run a business, you'd better make sure you have the support sorted for your clients.

[hushed breach]

i didnt know if that was something I should be looking into or not as a couple people have suggested I look at it, however atm I am just working on setting it up around my house

[clever mortar]

You can, but it will take a fair bit of technical clue, and business knowledge, to actually make it work profitably

[hushed breach]

yeah I think thats overall what I got, it is possible but maybe after a couple more years of figuring out the technical side of Home Assistant

[clever mortar]

I'll also warn you that being IT support is a shit job, your clients will expect miracles from you and won't understand why you can't just "do magic"

[hushed breach]

fair warning🤣

also im very grateful for all of your guys help the community around Home Assistant has made this process a much much more fun experience

and very promising for future proofing considering how active the community is and how constant updates are

[deft pewter]

Yeah, there's plenty of love for it. It's one of the most popular projects on GitHub.

[hushed breach]

also I was wondering about your viewpoint on this; are you suggesting I shouldnt try and monetize Home Assistant because its against the idea of open source projects or too not expect to get help for projects im getting paid for for free

[deft pewter]

The license HA is released under allows people to basically do whatever they want with it.

[hushed breach]

becuase I very much dont want to get pushed away from the community for doing this as it is a big part of why I like HA

[deft pewter]

I'm just saying that some people here won't be too happy giving free technical support to someone knowing that they're raking it in from their clients.

[clever mortar]

A few folks have paid clients for HA, and then come here asking for help regularly, for their clients. That goes down rather poorly.

Hey, I'm being paid money for this, help me for free

[deft pewter]

We're basically doing your job for you if you come here asking how to fix your clients' issues.

[hushed breach]

yeah that makes sense

i doubt I will ever end up trying to turn it into a product but ill keep that in mind (and if I do end up needing help ill monetize the support 🙂 )

[deft pewter]

If you're going to learn HA well and keep on top of all the changes, maybe you're capable of supporting your clients without our help. No-one would care about that.

if I do end up needing help ill monetize the support
You don't want to know people's day rates 😂

A lot of us are full-time techies, with the salaries you'd expect to go with it... if someone wants to pay for overtime... 💰 💰 💰

[hushed breach]

okay, thank you for helping me out 🙂 it's good to know the whole community wouldnt hate me if I do end up doing it (as long as I dont ask for help)

[velvet horizon]

@hushed breach When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '.reply' was invoked by: mono

[clever mortar]

Day rates for many of us will measure in the multiple thousands of $/€/£

[deft pewter]

If you're not coming in here asking for help, the community wouldn't know to hate you 😂

[hushed breach]

gimme a sec ill just change my settings not too ping you haha

good point lmao

[deft pewter]

I'm sure there are plenty of people working as installers that we don't know about. But there are a few that we do know about that ask for our help regularly...

[hushed breach]

ah yeah I get how that can be incredibly irksome

also side note; I am loving the ESP8266 chip and how versatile it is lmao

it has made my life a lot easier especially with ESPhome

[deft pewter]

Give the ESP32 some love too. It's chunkier and a little more expensive but great for applications that need Bluetooth. I use one to listen for the broadcasts from some Xiaomi plant sensors that send measurements over BLE.

[hushed breach]

the only reason I havent looked into it much at all yet is because the main devices Ive been working with are some ESP8266 dev boards and shelly 1s so I havent had a chance to mess around with ESP32's yet

[deft pewter]

Fair enough. They're almost identical anyway, and support ESPHome/Tasmota/others.

There's a new chip coming out that's got people excited too, since it's an ESP with Zigbee

[hushed breach]

ooo thats exciting

[low harness]

But no wifi

[deft pewter]

Where we're going, we don't need WiFi

[low harness]

It's got BT, though.

[hushed breach]

what are the advantages of using bluetooth over wifi?

[deft pewter]

There are none.

[hushed breach]

thats probs a really dumb question

[deft pewter]

Well, BLE is nice... but you'll still find that a lot of Bluetooth and WiFi stuff depends on proprietary apps.

🤢

[glacial knot]

Worse speed
Worse channel choices
Worse security
So just over all worse situation 🙂

[deft pewter]

Mesh networks don't have that limitation, which is why many of us prefer Zigbee/Z-Wave for smart devices.

[hushed breach]

thats why I flashed all my shellys with ESPhome they have great products and a garbage app

[deft pewter]

[hushed breach]

I used it for about 3 seconds before getting sick of it and deciding to use something else lmao

i should head to bed but thank you for answering all my random ass questions and putting up with me 🙂

[dull chasm]

ok damages are coming in

1. shed 4500
2. contents 3000
3. roof 3000
4. insulation underneath 5000
5. HVAC unit 2000
   thats all i have so far still in 6 inches of mud and prolly without power for a month
   gen for half a day because gas is no where to be found and food is mostly cold out of a can or cooked on a camp stove
   oh and a apc that seemed to like fail ....it was a 1500 apc ....we where using to run a fan during the day
   shit is rough right now to be honest
   and i still have tree on front of house leaning on it and in rear a root ball lifting it about 2 inches
   I am so thankfull that everybody was concerned and asked how we are .....Thank you so much

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-david-shittscreek-gif-15625591

[dull chasm]

@tidal bronze @deft pewter thought i would tag ya since yall asked

thank you @clever mortar

[glacial knot]

Any insurance that’s going to cover that? Or on your own?

[clever mortar]

I'm glad you're all ok... stuff can be replaced (even if that's cold comfort...). Hope that:
a) The insurance comes through quickly
b) You can get a hold of people to do the work

[dull chasm]

but the wtf fuck ...is a little over the top ?

@glacial knot prolly not

[clever mortar]

Nah, no reaction to that damage and the impact to you and your family is over the top... well, not from this distance anyway 😄

I've had friends and family flooded out of property before, without structural damage, and I know how disruptive that is

By the time you roll in those trees...

[subtle pasture]

Yeaaaah, about that... https://www.esp32.com/viewtopic.php?t=23094&p=82998

If you have any ESP32 based devices, now would be the time to update your SDK version and firmware

Bug in the bluetooth library makes them vulnerable to remote shutdown and remote code execution

[deft pewter]

If someone's within BT range of mine, all bets are off already 😂

[subtle pasture]

Except ESP32s are in things that you might carry around with you in public. There are a number of headphones and earbuds that are vulnerable

They're also in home security equipment, so running unpatched might make it possible to remotely disarm or disable various sensors during a break-in

Not a great thing

[deft pewter]

If they're already in my home, it's a bit late. I don't have a moat or spike pits.

Wasn't aware they're used in portable devices though.

[subtle pasture]

Don't need to be in your home, just need to point an antenna at it

It's a flood attack, so receiving traffic back doesn't matter

You could be hundreds of feet away and disable a swath of ESP32 devices wherever you point your directional antenna

I can imagine this being especially problematic in environments like coffee shops, hotels, apartments, and airports

Lots of people waiting around with mobile devices

Also, adult toys often have ESP32s in them, so there's that to worry about 😂

[green inlet]

Hacking my adult toy is a bad thing? I mean, someone else taking the wheel 🤷🏼‍♂️

Just thinking out loud here 🤣

[deft pewter]

Aww, I was just eyeing up the animals.

Fish was pretty ugly though, not gonna lie.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-love-begging-please-forgive-me-gif-19573156

[deft pewter]

If we're going to be sharing random animal-related stuff, what about animals with hands up their bottoms?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiMZa8flyYY

[last cedar]

Really sorry to hear that, hope you can rebuild quickly

[amber bramble]

2/3 of my esxi vms migrated to proxmox... time to move HA over...

[brisk glen]

And then the fire burns 🔥

[subtle pasture]

@amber bramble how you making the migration work? Last time I tried, the disk conversion was a huge pain in the ass, and none of my VMs would boot on Proxmox due to massive virtual hardware changes

I managed to coax one into booting, but only with the disk controller in IDE mode, so performance was terrible

[amber bramble]

got them to all transfer relatively easy

[subtle pasture]

How? Is there a conversation tool now?

[amber bramble]

used the vmware ovftool to pull them from esxi and then proxmox's qm importovf to import

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, tried that, no dice

Proxmox refused to load the ovf without modification (because it doesn't support ESXi 6.5's default disk controller, so can't map any disks), and then do a manual conversion of the VMDK disk files because Proxmox also doesn't support those

ESXi uses a virtual SCSI/SAS controller by default, Proxmox only really supports SATA and IDE. Caused all kinds of problems when booting the guest OS

The NICs also changed to the point that it broke a lot of things. Lots of services just stopped working because the NIC they were bound to was gone

[amber bramble]

i had to tweak the NIC settings on one machine and the virtual GPU on another machine, but otherwise it was easier than i expected

[subtle pasture]

Wound up just staying on ESXi. Even besides the conversation issues, couldn't find a decent way to run backups on Proxmox

Looking at RHV / oVirt now

[glacial knot]

I know that there is a virtio-scsi device in qemu…
Does proxmox not expose it? Windows need extra drivers to run with it, because they don’t do virtio by default

[obtuse pier]

Currently, I am running home assistant on Rasp pi 4b. planning to buy other hardware which is better than rasp pi 4. Could you please suggest any similar device with good configuration

[obtuse pier]

like intel NUC mini pcs..

[glacial knot]

The Blue? 🙂

[young sigil]

#hardware-archived

[jade tartan]

is there a way to change the layout of the cards on the UI?

[glacial knot]

#frontend-archived will be able to help you

[jade tartan]

thx

[deft pewter]

Damnit, I'm getting old. Starting buying quiches from M&S for my lunch... 👴

[last cedar]

But they taste good right?

[deft pewter]

Sure do. We've gone full-blown snob lately and do most of our shopping there now 😂

There are two supermarkets near us, M&S and Tesco. During the first 6 months of lockdown, people were absolute twats in Tesco. Fighting with security, standing right over you with no masks, etc. Haven't gone back since.

Now I shop with all the elderly, middle class folk 😂

[deft pewter]

Aww, man. You can't link just the picture. We miss out on the alt text.

[dull chasm]

This shit is getting depressing ... cant even clean up ......... trees laying in yard 36inch ones $80 every couple of days for gas ...6 inches of mud in yard ...... no running water ....

[clever mortar]

Do they have any idea of how long before you can start cleanup?

[dull chasm]

nope

[clever mortar]

[dull chasm]

mud is biggest problem ...just imagine trying to do anything with 6 inches clinging to your boot

[clever mortar]

Yeah, bad enough without mud

I'd a family member who was flooded for a few days and the cleanup for that took months. Oddly all the trades in the area were busy with house repairs

[hushed basalt]

Where do you physically put the mud when you remove it

[sterile lava]

Hi. Is there any way to request a support with HA? I have a problem I can't resolve for 2 days now and can't get anyone to respond to me...

[dull chasm]

@hushed basalt rinks doormat ?

Tinks

[hushed basalt]

Brilliant

[glacial knot]

Amazon App with one click purchase is bad for my wallet

[last cedar]

Probably back in the tornado alley so it caan get thrown back in a couple of years

[clever mortar]

Only thing you can do is post in the right channel and follow the advice in the second half of #rules about how to ask good questions. If it relates to your recent posts in #energy-archived then the #energy-archived feature is new, so whatever your problem is may not be well known/understood yet.

If you've found an actual bug you can always open an issue, but if it's a request for support the devs will simply close it.

[hushed basalt]

@last cedar
https://c.tenor.com/3re5-01VRKwAAAAM/futurama-once-and-for-all.gif

[last cedar]

🤣

[hushed basalt]

Made a coffee on the work espresso machine for the first time

Nfi what I'm doing, made it extremely strong

Got caffeine jitters

[young sigil]

You just haven't drunk your 100 cups yet.

https://tenor.com/view/caffeine-fry-coffee-100-futurama-gif-18341395

[neon hawk]

I have this idea - I have a PC case with a micro ATX mobo in it thats running HA but inside the case there is a lot of extra room so I am going to put in a couple of Raspberry PI also. On the front panel I want to install some LEDs and a touch screen running conky or glances to show stats and temps etc. Also I would love to have some LEDs that show ethernet port activity and link LEDs from each of the machines. Does anyone have an idea how to do this? Could it be a soldering job on each of the ports then pass wires from each port? Could it be done on a software level and use HA to make a sensor and make that activate the LEDs? Help!! 😉

[clever mortar]

Sounds like #diy-archived

[neon hawk]

will post it in there

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/DaByH5Wm7U0AAAAM/touch-quicksilver.gif

[oak pulsar]

Good day you beautiful people

[peak dragon]

Sorry if I am not supposed to ask here, but anyone know a good way to get Wyze cameras as an entity on a dashboard as an RTSP? I know about the Wyze firmware to make them give RTSP, but all I’ve seen online is to use motionEye which gives the streams, but doesn’t look like you can add a camera as an entity

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@peak dragon There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[last cedar]

🤣

[glacial knot]

hey, depending on the language that's a difference between true int and true-ish
Always remember the !! pattern in c++

or C for what it's worth

[subtle pasture]

Gotta love when you see someone using true/false as a string rather than as a bool...

Always cringe-worthy

[deft pewter]

Can't always be helped 🤷‍♂️

Query string parameters 🤢

[deft pewter]

I love that in JS. Great for something that might have a value and might be undefined. Flip it twice and you know which it was.

[glacial knot]

yea, the not not pattern is pretty helpful, when the language works that way

[low harness]

I've never had to use it in a strongly typed language like c, though 🤔

...but come to think of it that's probably just because of my patterns...

[deft pewter]

Plaid? Polka?

[glacial knot]

C isn't strongly typed :/

At least not for base types or pointers

[deft pewter]

I know it's Wikipedia but...

A programming language that requires a variable to be defined, and the variable it is. For example, C is a strongly typed language. When declaring the variable, you must also specify the variable type.

The whole point is you declare the type at the same time as the variable, and can't just assign random shit to it.

Pointers are a little different given that you're not storing a value, you're... pointing at one.

[glacial knot]

ehh, when you go a bit further into the language theory part, that definition is static vs. dynamic
And then C with it's lot of implicit conversions weakly typed vs. e.g. Haskell which is strongly typed and requires explicit conversions everywhere

[clever mortar]

Pointers screwed with my brain when I first learned about them. Took me a while to "get" the idea.

[glacial knot]

I had troubles getting people to understand pointers that did assembly the semester before 😄

[deft pewter]

After a couple of evenings trying to understand pointers, I've simply decided I won't work with C again 😂

[glacial knot]

Mono, I counter your wikipedia with another wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_and_weak_typing#Implicit_type_conversions_and_"type_punning"

[clever mortar]

Pointers are just like file system links||, except where they're not||

[glacial knot]

pointers are just usize_t ||except when they are not||

I wonder how much breaks on x32 because of that fact

[brisk glen]

using opencore for ram patches to make audio work in efi mode

next is a software TPM

oh linux, sometimes I miss you

[glacial knot]

software tpm? o.0

good idea, soft hard security module

[hearty depot]

@Michelle

[deft pewter]

@last cedar ping

[last cedar]

Omg no!

[low harness]

> sudo apt full-upgrade```
Here we go!

Funny how those things spiral... Sometimes my weekly backup rotation fails because the daily one is not complete when it starts running... probably need to tweak my crontab.... and here we are.

Bumping major kernel version

...which funnily enough may actually solve the problem because 5.10 is said to have better btrfs performance for many small files...

[bitter pawn]

what is the consensus on HP smartvault SD Cards?

pieces of junk that need to be disabled? or necessary?

[brisk glen]

how do you think ms is going to support their own surface line?

[glacial knot]

Hmm? Do they not have tpm? At least in firmware

[brisk glen]

yes

[glacial knot]

Easy. Move from cron to systemd timer units and give the weekly service an after= on the daily one

[brisk glen]

no hardware but intel made a software version

[glacial knot]

The firmware ones are somewhere in between software and hardware
They still have their own storage and run in elevated modes, from what I have seen

The odd actual software variants as well though

[brisk glen]

opencore efi patches for audio, all I need is to add a tpm module

or make one

old macbooks have some dumb shit efi

opencore to fix all of the pre boot shit and drivers

[glacial knot]

Yes. 32bit as well iirc

[brisk glen]

64bit efi here

[glacial knot]

Do you know what’s used as nvram with the open core fTPM? I assume it still needs a CPU that supports it?

[hushed basalt]

I recommend having a check at the beginning of the script to check if it's already running

[jade tartan]

what was the distro called to load on a pi zero to just be a webcam to intigrate into ha?

[clever mortar]

#cameras-archived may know - as you're well aware there's no support for HA stuff in this channel

[glacial knot]

We only support raccoons on a diet

[clever mortar]

I support raccoons even when I'm not on a diet...

[glacial knot]

I never said it has to be a good diet 😄

[hearty depot]

Have 2 2011 MacBook pro for random testing. Can't boot debian 11 and when I do a debian 10 full upgrade I can't boot 5.x. just get stuck try loading initram. That was a fun one -_-

[low harness]

Well, I got it up and running with way less pain than I expected.

[orchid rose]

I had a nightmare involving raccoons last night. Was weird

There was a whole bunch of them attacking me and for some reason they were had claws and were clawing through coconuts I was holding in my hands for some reason. At that point I probably woke up because the absurdity of it all. Should I seek help?

[hushed basalt]

Maybe it's a sign to feed your local raccoon community

[hearty depot]

Cool. Wondering if ESPhome/wled is affected https://www.techspot.com/news/91115-new-braktooth-bluetooth-vulnerabilities-affect-billions-devices-around.html

[low harness]

I think someone mentioned ESP32 being vulnerable.

#the-water-cooler message

So; likely

[last cedar]

Did your survive?

[last cedar]

YES

[low harness]

Yes, I did.

[last cedar]

YESsssssss

[last cedar]

Nice one!

[low harness]

I actually did a normal apt upgrade right before that one, which somehow broke the machine, but the full-upgrade worked great

Sometimes my HP Microserver just starts thinking that the logical volumes are broken and refuse to boot without intervention. No explanation on why, no problems when I finally attach a keyboard and screen and push F2... 🤷

It just says something about potential data loss.

[bitter pawn]

pretty sure you can set most of the servers up to not halt at system errors on boot for this exact reason

[bitter pawn]

@last cedar go forth....

[last cedar]

Don't tempt me!

But it is a hell of a step up from doormat stealing @bitter pawn

[deft pewter]

That needs to be animated so it can go in my favourite jifs.

[last cedar]

Yes

[deft pewter]

Discord also need to fix their jif button. It's spelled incorrectly.

[bitter pawn]

GIF

[clever mortar]

Once upon a time the cleaning brand Cif was called Jif in the UK

[bitter pawn]

^

this is what pronouncing things like brits gets ya.

[deft pewter]

That's a soft G, right? Right?

[bitter pawn]

well its more like a string... a G string if you will....

ba dum tshhhh

[deft pewter]

Just make sure to shave first. You don't want any hair on the g string.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzlw6fUux4o

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/FwbNFRbqwfg

https://c.tenor.com/pCWbp_Z9f6EAAAAM/equator-australians.gif

[midnight adder]

i dunno if this is offtopic. but i or i should say we solved the Home Assistant Container install option. so it can be installed on whatever distro/os you like from docker with full access. Supervised and you name it. want something done, you have to do it yourself as my old man used to say

[deft pewter]

No, it's not off-topic. It's about HA, so it goes in the 'on-topic' channels 🤯

And yes, you can install it however you want... as long as you're happy with not getting support when it breaks. Which is what you were told yesterday already 🤯

Only 3 months left for me to re-watch all the Matrix movies before the sequel 😮 Need to convince the missus to watch them too, as she's never seen them.

Wouldn't be fair to make her watch the new one without knowing the backstory, right?

[clever mortar]

Never seen them

[deft pewter]

I know, right? She's not a sci-fi fan but it's almost inexcusable to never have seen the Matrix.

Even just the original would be acceptable.

[last cedar]

This is the raccoon channel only 🦝

Pulled so much electric cable recently, starting to get out of hand :)

Got a 4x18 norm fuse box installed, not shown any pics

Pulling in feeders atm

[midnight adder]

but it is open source right ? so nothing is patented or copyrighted ? just so i don´t break any rules. what support are you reffering to ?

[fathom sparrow]

When your diy supervisor breaks, don’t expect people to help. I.e not supported

And issues written against it will be ignored as well.

Basically, you’re on your own.

[light trout]

Not ignored, closed

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/party-parrot-rgb-rainbow-dance-cool-gif-19129917

[deft pewter]

Gah. Going through an AWS training course and some of the things the trainer comes out with make me die a little inside...

'JWT tokens'

🤢

They also said JWT stands for Java Web Token 🤔

[wet pilot]

"ATM MACHINE"

[deft pewter]

RIP in peace.

[wet pilot]

i think that one is usually said intentionally though

[deft pewter]

Eh, maybe. Still sounds dumb.

[low harness]

I made a non-hass thing! It's very niche, but... https://github.com/thomasloven/snapper

[deft pewter]

From the name, I thought it was going to be a competitor to a clapper.

Snap your fingers to turn on a light. Way more accessible, you no longer need to use two hands.

[low harness]

That'd be dangerously close to #on-topic

[clever mortar]

Today I found somebody who uses btrfs

[low harness]

It's awesome!

One of my preowned 3 TB drives broke down, so I replaced it with a new 10 TB one, rebalanced and could use all of the new space with "RAID5" immediately. Can't do that with zfs.

[clever mortar]

Nice

I'd switch, but FreeBSD doesn't do btrfs 😛

[low harness]

Now with debian11 it's even better.

[deft pewter]

I'm going to jump out a window soon. This trainer is teaching that you have to press Esc between each command in vi. 🤯

They haven't left normal mode. What is this madness?

[clever mortar]

Good news, more than half of trainers are barely qualified to cover the core course material

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I'm getting that.

The course in general is okay. Just some of the things they come out with. No idea why they're even shoehorning some vi in there. It's not relevant to the course at all.

[low harness]

I do that all the time by reflex. Keep closing popups. It sucks.

[deft pewter]

'Look at me, I know how to use Linux'

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-snape-o-rly-really-bitch-please-gif-5120158

[deft pewter]

My bad habits are mostly a result of switching between Mac and Windows several times per day. I always reach for the wrong key.

[night zodiac]

same. they let you rebind some the keys a bit but that dies once you remote desktop into something from there

I use a mac to remote desktop into windows to use wsl2 to connect to linux servers

at me

[deft pewter]

I'm starting to build the muscle memory now... I just sometimes forget to switch the built-in profile on my keyboard to switch the Mac/Win keys around.

[night zodiac]

I am completely fucked. I need to see if I can redo all of my mac stuff

I use capslock as a function key normally. and jkli are arrow keys

my mac is always in capslock mode and jkli are always being inserted

I undo most of the things I input into my mac

[deft pewter]

jkli is nasty... use hjkl like a real dev.

[night zodiac]

lol, my custom keyboard died and I quickly replaced it with a ducky

need to build one again eventually

I miss QMK

[deft pewter]

QMK 🔥

Wife didn't understand why I was programming a keyboard when she didn't have to program hers 😂

[night zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-dont-think-we-have-enough-layers-headshake-uncertain-unsure-worried-gif-13761831

[deft pewter]

Favourite cap profile? Here's where we find out what kind of monster you are.

[midnight adder]

no i am not asking for help, never said i was so i dont understand why you keep saying that, but the project is free to develop anyway i want right ? no copyrights or patents in the code ?

[deft pewter]

You asked what support we said you won't get. petro explained. What's not to get?

[fathom sparrow]

I was answering your question that you keep asking...

[clever mortar]

https://www.home-assistant.io/developers/license/

[fathom sparrow]

don't get all bet bent out of shape because I replied

[late gate]

Be nice to each other now

[deft pewter]

We try

We're a very supportive bunch (for things that are supported).

[midnight adder]

no i am not, but i wasnt asking a question about getting support if i develop something of my own. i was asking the question if it was free to do whatever i like with the code ? atleast my english

[fathom sparrow]

you literally ask 'why is it not supported' and I answered...

word for word what you asked: what support are you reffering to ?

[late gate]

Honestly if you want to support something join the dev team and get consensus

[midnight adder]

im sorry, i was ironic when asking that. my bad

[fathom sparrow]

how about acting serious when asking a question instead of slathering everything in sarcasm. There's a reason everyone is being negative towards you.

[deft pewter]

After the first impression you made yesterday, it's probably time to put in some effort by being positive and friendly.

[fathom sparrow]

or leaving.

[night zodiac]

mono, I haven't experimented, lol. I use cherry

[midnight adder]

but just as yesterday, i got criticism instead of answers. i will ask just one question now and then i dont need to ask anymore

[deft pewter]

You got answers.

Not liking the answers doesn't make them any less valid.

[fathom sparrow]

I saw the entire thread yesterday, you didn't like the answers. Everyone gave you the same answer and you were upset with the responses because they weren't what you were looking for.

[midnight adder]

is it ok to use the sourcecode for HA and all its glory to develop how you choose to develop it ? if i have missed the answer to that question i do appologize

[deft pewter]

#the-water-cooler message

[fathom sparrow]

You can fork the supervisor to your hearts content

[clever mortar]

As with everything, all you have to do is comply with the license

[midnight adder]

the core and its belongings then ?

[fathom sparrow]

which should be included in the repo

[brisk glen]

It’s not supported because idgaf to support it

[fathom sparrow]

you can fork it all

[brisk glen]

Welcome to open source

[deft pewter]

The support from the devs and the community on this project is outstanding.

[fathom sparrow]

just don't sell it

[brisk glen]

It really is

[clever mortar]

Or expect support/help

[fathom sparrow]

that too

[midnight adder]

thank you, i have already done so, well not only me. but i just want to ask the question so we dont break any laws

[brisk glen]

I really love my HA frigate camera object detection dashboard

When you use HA like an NVR

[midnight adder]

but if i develop something that i can do whatever i want with, am i not free to license it and profit from it ?

[deft pewter]

Not if the license for HA forbids it,.

Go read the license.

If you don't understand it, ask a lawyer.

[fathom sparrow]

what he said

[brisk glen]

You can sell support and or hardware

Sell a device with support, but be really to offer support

[midnight adder]

i am a lawyer, but i did not know there was a license, hence me asking my questions

[clever mortar]

And people do, for varying definitions of support

[night zodiac]

LOL

[fathom sparrow]

hmm i thought you were a aircraft engineer

[midnight adder]

well i was a lawyer in early years, boring as hell

[deft pewter]

Aircraft engineering and lawyering... busy life.

[midnight adder]

and i own two companies aswell

[brisk glen]

License is with the source code?

[night zodiac]

https://tenor.com/VN9S.gif

[clever mortar]

In the code, and on the site, which has been repeatedly linked to

It's even one of the more straightforward licenses

[midnight adder]

i actually do own two companies. Pm me if you want the details

[deft pewter]

Who gives a shit?

We're all internet nobodies here.

[midnight adder]

somone did not belive me

[fathom sparrow]

but no one really cares about day jobs here, this is for automation

[clever mortar]

It's the internet, nobody cares that you're a dog/cat/martian/robot/swarm AI

[night zodiac]

raccoons, maybe

[deft pewter]

We all share a few passions. Home Assistant, tech, and raccoons.

[brisk glen]

And I can own 5 shell companies

Not hard

[fathom sparrow]

you can spout whatever you want in offtopic tho, so talk away

[brisk glen]

We are assholes on the internet

[clever mortar]

And in some cases in real life

[brisk glen]

As soon as some one goes look at my epin

[deft pewter]

Guilty 😅

[fathom sparrow]

soo soo small

[brisk glen]

My wife keeps telling me “don’t be evil”

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/im-afraid-its-too-late-scared-nervous-concerned-running-out-of-time-gif-15989937

[midnight adder]

ye my companies fit in quite well in the world of tech. i have a passion for airplanes aswell, so beeing an engineer in the field has given me a lot. just saying how it is. and i can agree that engineers can be really annoying from time to time, its built into the job description

[deft pewter]

Glad to hear you do your job well.

[brisk glen]

Hold on, I got this, if you are really a company owner, send me 20k as proof plox

Is that how the internet verifies?

[midnight adder]

in dollars or euro ?

[deft pewter]

Bitcoin...

[fathom sparrow]

he's a Nigerian Prince

[night zodiac]

I want it in legal counseling

how many hours

converts to 20k

20k hours?

[brisk glen]

Lol

[midnight adder]

nah i dont sell nor give away my bitcoins.

[bitter pawn]

but do you whore yourself out for bitcoins?

that is the question....

[midnight adder]

well in viatnamese dong you can have a few seconds

[fathom sparrow]

who doesnt

[midnight adder]

but no one actually said the currency

[brisk glen]

And before drug lord with companies as fronts

[late gate]

Raccoons are my nemisis

[midnight adder]

actually havent tried that, but making money involves beeing dishonest

[brisk glen]

Please, you need to get into healthcare

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ moving hands there

It’s mind blowing how much 1 lab moves

[midnight adder]

we live in a world where no one cares about anoyone else then themselves.

and $$$$$$$$ is what everything revolves about

its tragic, but thats how it works

well thanks for the chat, ill read up on the license and see how to approach that, there is always a way. take care

[brisk glen]

It’s called sell hardware and or support

Like crossover wine

You buy the support and they end up giving back to the project with fixes

They have real devs tho

[bitter pawn]

then you came to the wrong neighborhood my dude

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/trigger-happy-gun-insane-crazy-rocket-raccoon-gif-3579980

[bitter pawn]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2371435583.4874/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

[late gate]

I can live with one racoons, but we will do coding battle! (nerd version of rapping or fight battle)

[static schooner]

I'm swapping out some drives in one of my NASes to increase the space and resyncing after adding each of 4 drives is going to take forever. Even with Synology's "Fast repair" mode

it just finished repairing the volume with the first disk and I was ready with the next one, but it immediately moved to "data scrubbing" which will take another 1-2 days. ugh

[subtle pasture]

How big is the array? My Synology can complete a scrub in less than a day... and it's running 12x 4TB drives...

Repairs take over a day, but scrubs are relatively fast

[static schooner]

27TB SHR2

Adding 8TBx4

[low harness]

Running a scrub right now 😦

[last cedar]

Nooooooo

Aleks we can do a dance battle

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-dancing-vibin-groovy-funny-gif-21813652