But 50€+ for a single switch 😅
#the-water-cooler
glacial knot
wintry hazel
Bosch smarthome is awesome. If you spend a ton of money for their oven, cooktop, and rangehoods, you can allegedly preheat the oven when you start a recipe, autostart the rangehood based on your use of the stove, and probably help you not burn the house down by leaving stuff on
If only I could feed the info from all the recipe books I buy into google home that would be helpful. I always put the oven on when I get to when I need it preheated already
wintry hazel
heretic
glacial knot
I tend to cook without one
just botch it by myself. Then I got only msyelf to blame 😄
wintry hazel
I use them to learn ways of using ingredients then mostly look around at whatever I have on hand and make stuff up
glacial knot
yea. I need to check a recipe for the meat I thawed 😂
wintry hazel
I once used soup base stuff, rib sauce, and random stir fry veg to try cooking a thin, unenticing steak that was about to expire
it was kinda like a laksa with an incredibly complex hearty flavour that I will never remember how to make that way again
glacial knot
I hope it was a pork slice, if you treat it like that 😄
wintry hazel
just plain cow
glacial knot
Don't treat cows like that!
glacial knot
ehhh. I prefer a good cow over a good pig
But if you are in the lower end, it barely makes a difference
young sigil
God damn architrave switches. My place is full of them. In places where you cant install a smart switch module beside them as they are right next to the frame.
wintry hazel
actually, I'm the only person in my family with an interest in venison. I'm looking to experiment with home grown veg and uhhhh self-obtained deer to make recipes just to see if I can cook something that contains no supermarket good
yeah tom, I have them in 2 spots. one needs it because there's a "built-in" wardrobe stopping me having a normal switch. One is here and makes no sense
glacial knot
venison is nice, if prepared well. Boar is pretty interesting as well
wintry hazel
I made venison backstrap with a honey mushroom sauce and something I forgot but it was amazing
glacial knot
self-obtained sounds like poaching 😄
I'd just ask one of my friends that goes hunting
But we also have a very good butcher around here, so I wouldn't mind store bought
wintry hazel
I go hunting. I have both license and written permissions but some people don't particularly enjoy the idea that people hunt
glacial knot
the hunters I know care more about animals than some of the vegetarians that don't eat meat to avoid animal death
wintry hazel
shhh the vegan movements don't care
basically in aus, deer were introduced and in parts of my state they have such population explosions during drought that between them and kangaroos they could consume enough ground resources to starve out both species'
glacial knot
yea, people don't realize how much of modern hunting is population control
it's fine to disagree with it, but silly to just ignore it
wintry hazel
I just go do and then don't openly point out to rando's
during the first wave of covid everyone was panic buying the normal meats (beef, pork, chicken) so knowing where to get venison is my secret weapon in not getting stuck without meat
glacial knot
I just thought of something I need to ask my TPM guy
are SHIM and GRUB measured into the PCRs before or after stripping of the signatures?
hearty depot
low harness
Decided on a whim to run some lost file recovery on an old harddrive. Found a bunch of photos from my army days that I thought were gone forever, and an mp3 of this thing. Anyone else remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMYN4djSq7o
Also all the concept art and stuff for the rpgmaker2000 site I used to help out with. Blade2k.
Hey! The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck! Sweet!
brisk glen
dam, b43 drivers are still shit
frail siren
Добрый вечер, нужна помощь в написании автоматизации (4 отслеживаемых условия и 2 управляемых устройства), желательно русскоговорящий исполнитель. не бесплатно)
Good evening, I need help writing automation (4 tracked conditions and 2 controlled devices), preferably a Russian-speaking performer. not for free)
frail siren
If you're looking for paid help, please ask on the forum
which one?
velvet horizonBOT
frail siren
ok
frail siren
If you're looking for paid help, please ask on the forum
is there some special category?
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Social?
subtle pasture
Be wary of grapefruit. Messes with all kinds of medications 👀
clever mortar
And coffee
clever mortar
It doesn't replace chocolate
deft pewter
There's a solution to that... chocolate-coated coffee beans.
One of my top picks whenever I find a Ye Olde Sweete Shoppe.
stuck python
Anyone here using a wallpanel for controlling their/his/hers house?
deft pewter
clever mortar
deft pewter
About HA support topics...
subtle pasture
There's a solution to that... chocolate-coated coffee beans.
I do love a good chocolate coated coffee bean, though chocolate covered pretzels are my personal crack
deft pewter
Those are pretty good too, I'll admit. Shame they aren't infused with caffeine or they'd be almost perfect.
hearty shell
hi everyone, im looking for RGB Light Card on hacks but when i try to add the repository says is already in store but is not shows up on the searchs, any idea?
deft pewter
Ask in #integrations-archived, since that's what HACS is
fiery geyser
A raccoon
brisk glen
Interesting, might be able to run windows 11 on older cpus with open core
Software TPM
Apparently intel stopped supporting 2012 cpus for microcode security updates
cedar viper
little joy also includes functional medications
forest edge
Interesting, might be able to run windows 11 on older cpus with open core
I'll just wait for Windows 12: The Desolation of Smaug
brisk glen
A fun little hackintosh project is netting some interesting results, even provides secure boot
PTT (software TPM) should work
Ah, so that’s how Microsoft is going to support the surface line
forest edge
still annoyed they didn't keep with their original plan to make win 10 the last windows
brisk glen
Probably was until they decided to make some big changes to drop support for old hardware
forest edge
@tidal bronze https://www.amtrak.com/southwest-chief-train stupid cheap cause the amenities are still from the 1980's lol
subtle pasture
still annoyed they didn't keep with their original plan to make win 10 the last ...
Yeah, i didn't see that one panning out. OSX also wasn't the last version of MacOS 🤷♀️
forest edge
yea but windows could have done it way easily
subtle pasture
We were starting to see fragmentation within Windows 10 that was going to cause problems / confusion, is the thing...
forest edge
how so?
subtle pasture
There are a number of PCs that can run Windows 10 (the 2015 release version) that cannot run Windows 10 (the current version)
So you have PCs getting stuck on various unsupported builds of Windows along the way, as they run into hardware that has aged out
forest edge
they release "expansions" for windows, which was the whole idea from the start. the diff being that in the future some of those "expansions" would be pay
subtle pasture
That's highly confusing for consumers, because "well, it's Windows 10, isn't it??"
forest edge
they could have handled that locally
subtle pasture
Your only real option for old hardware that can't run Windows 10 21H1 is to buy an LTSC version
forest edge
why even make it windows 11 with that being the case
subtle pasture
Then you're still stuck on an old build, but at least you get security updates for 10 years
Because Windows 11 makes a new hard cutoff for system requirements
forest edge
it's not like changing the number is going to stop people from trying to upgrade on hardware that isn't supported lol
subtle pasture
Your computer either runs 11 or it doesn't. There's no ambiguity of "well, it'll run the 2015 version, maybe the 2016 version, but not the 2019 version..."
forest edge
you watch, they will do something where win11 runs on older shit
they have always done that
subtle pasture
Windows 11 already runs on fairly old systems. Skylake (6th gen) CPUs are in the compatibility matrix
As long as they support TPM 2.0 and SecureBoot
subtle pasture
Skylake was released along-side Windows 10 in 2015...
Skylake's official end-of-life was March 2019
forest edge
6 years is not old enough to be considered too old to support
anyone who supports that is an asshat
subtle pasture
That's because it's not too old to support. In theory, Windows 11 supports most Windows 10 launch hardware
Skylake is currently supported by Windows 11, as far as we can tell
It's stuff older than Skylake that's questionable
Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge don't work at all, as they lack the entire AVX2 instruction set. Haswell and Broadwell might work, since they were the first architectures to support AVX2
So you might see CPUs as old as 2013 running Windows 11... maybe...
And it's not like Skylake is anything special. Modern intel Atom (Gracemont) CPUs can outperform Skylake CPUs
forest edge
just watched a video of someone putting together a space65 keyboard and felt the urge to jump off a high building
subtle pasture
Yeaaah, just looked that up. I gotta say, I'm not a fan of compact keyboard layouts
Gotta have that number pad
wintry hazel
So apparently due to statistics and stuff, it’s projected that my state will be up to 70% of first doses by September 2nd and 80% by the 11th.
This is significant because the availability and encouragement for the 16-49 age bracket only just started pretty much.
deft pewter
Not Louisiana then
cloud reef
clever mortar
wintry hazel
Not Louisiana then
No, NSW Australia. Our case numbers are still climbing but people got on the vaccinations so fast that I couldn't get mine earlier than the 5th of next month due to booking availability
forest edge
ugh why they have to make the snake eyes movie suck
deft pewter
I thought it was alright... but I'm not a die hard G.I. Joe fan.
Mindless entertainment is fine, not every movie has to be a masterpiece.
forest edge
it's part of the collection of the other two gi joe movies and it followed nothing or not only what the other movies entailed of the character but it also did not follow the character from any of the cartoons
it was shit lol
deft pewter
Eh... maybe they're just going for the whole cinematic universe approach that's worked so well for Marvel. Have a bunch of movies that are either only loosely-connected or not connected at all.
Cobra were in it... they just didn't feature too heavily.
hushed basalt
I think MCU is pretty popcorn but I do like how it's all one universe
glacial knot
You use popcorn for bare metal programming? 😄
tidal bronze
@forest edge you should promote some pi cases and cooling fans to scan truck
glacial knot
Michelle after falling into the wine bottle
hushed basalt
Probably something stronger than wine
inner vault
sus
opaque girder
I like who they didn't even bother writing some interesting message to go along with that
glacial knot
I'm way more amused than I should be, that this is such low effort spam that mods just trashtalk them, instead of removing it
and the moment I say it, you got to remove it 😦
glacial knot
yea, I deliberately left the ping on in my mention. And got nothing 😦
inner vault
hushed basalt
glacial knot
I wonder which way around the causality is of that one
hushed basalt
lost yarrow
is anyone using a piezzo buzzer with an ESP8266 as an alarm clock?
subtle pasture
No, but that's not a bad idea
Seems like a lot of people just use their phone as an alarm clock, these days, though
clever mortar
I have a smart alarm clock that works offline, but is also supported by HA. Then I can do fancy things like turn on the lights when the alarm fires.
I back that up by the alarm on my FitBit if I have to get up stupidly early
subtle pasture
Also, you might as well use a speaker rather than a buzzer. Get that ESP module playing chiptunes
last cedar
Michelle after falling into the wine bottle
Defo stronger than wine
deft pewter
Reminds me a little of The Colour of Magic.
last cedar
@lost yarrow
Just how much raccoon are you?
static schooner
is raccoon cross-breeding a thing? Should I be on the lookout for raccoon-human hybrids?
deft pewter
Hybrids? I just meant they're missing a leg.
static schooner
that's much less frightening, just sad
deft pewter
Our first cat had 3 legs. She was so cute.
Taught her to high-five for food too 😂
Friends wouldn't believe that we'd actually trained a cat to do tricks.
last cedar
Taught her to high-five for food too 😂
How does a cat balance on 2 legs to give a high 5?
deft pewter
It's magic.
last cedar
I can't quite get a mental image
deft pewter
You're welcome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvmy5ScpapM
hearty depot
lol - that's unexpected
cedar viper
OT, so yay. Anyone here use youtube tv?
We're planning on subscribing to it because it has all of our channels for a better price.
cedar viper
It's much better for our home since xfinity's prices are through the roof.
1gig down for $140, + tv for 70 + rentals.
static schooner
price has gone up quite a bit in that time, along with more channels. went from $40-$55, I think, and now it's even higher
cedar viper
It's currently 65, with a decent lineup
static schooner
it was by far the best of the streamers, with the unlimited DVR and good UI
cedar viper
We're paying for so much we don't need, and verizon (suprisingly) offers it all together
cedar viper
it was by far the best of the streamers, with the unlimited DVR and good UI
I love the UI, and because of amazon, it's all in one app.
We actually get the premium channels we lost in the base price, so it's a decent deal
static schooner
good Web experience, if you care about that. it just has the high-quality interface that I come to expect from Google, and don't from any traditional cable company
I had DirecTV, and then AT&T TV streaming, and YoutubeTV is far superior
cedar viper
We've dealt with Verizon and Xfinity since I've been alive, which hasn't been long. My plan I've set up is a pretty nice cord cutting option while still keeping our network stuff
rose moth
someone tell me if this is stupid
my phone will be plugged into a smart plug so i can turn it off with an automation
when hass sees that the battery level on my phone goes over 80% it kills power
then when it goes below 70 it turns it back on
is this a good idea or a terrible one hmm
static schooner
Then I guess you’ve decided 🤷♂️
rose moth
well i mean
i don't think i can control it in software with anything im aware of
samsung's solution is literally powered by spyware
static schooner
I do t know what you’re asking
rose moth
oh i guess i did ask an xy problem
static schooner
What you’re suggesting is a bad idea
forest edge
why not let it charge over 80%?
that makes no sense to try and prevent that
if you are concerned with bloatware then root the phone and remove it lol
static schooner
Some folks feel like they can do better than the software and hardware designed for this purpose, or whose knowledge of batteries and charging is stuck in the 90s
hushed basalt
80% charge is definitely bad for phone and laptop batteries
static schooner
The charger and phone should manage it
tidal bronze
>80% charge is definitely bad for phone and laptop batteries
Why is that ?
hushed basalt
The battery chemistry
50% is happy path. Outside 20-80% is danger zone
It's to do with the electrodes collecting on the anodes/cathodes irrc
Causes damage
night zodiac
OT, so yay. Anyone here use youtube tv?
I love it and I don't even watch tv
tidal bronze
Last 20% of the charge is where the BMS finesse so what you are saying is continuous fast charge is better?
static schooner
these seem like a bunch of garbage phones if they require such fuckery
tidal bronze
1 to 50% no IR is taken into account and only temp is accounted for in fast charge cycle. Last bit is where everything comes into play.
External control of a phone BMS is pointless or any BMS for that matter.
forest edge
sounds like a load of BMS
forest edge
hell no, not gonna subject myself to being stuffed on a train
hushed basalt
Last 20% of the charge is where the BMS finesse so what you are saying is contin...
That's not what I'm saying at all
There's a reason certain laptops like Lenovo let you set a maximum charge level
And Apple etc use your behaviour to predict when you will take your phone off charge in the morning and to only let it reach fully charged then and not sooner
With present battery technology and without increasing battery size, you can't get both longer run-time and longer battery life. For maximum run-time, the charger must charge the battery to 100% capacity. This places the battery voltage near the manufacturer's recommended float voltage, which is typically 4.2 V ±1%. Unfortunately, charging and maintaining the battery near these levels shortens battery life. One solution is to select a lower float voltage, which prohibits the battery from achieving 100% charge, although this would require a higher-capacity battery to provide the same run-time.
Feel free to bring up some reference material to contradict me
hushed basalt
I'm not sure what we're arguing about
static schooner
It’s a bad idea to automate a smart plug based on battery level
dusky plank
why? I turn off my charger plug after 10 minutes when it reaches 100%… is that bad?
static schooner
Unnecessary
glacial knot
and then you discharge the battery instead of staying on mains?
to go into another charge cycle?
dusky plank
it‘s not unnecessary for me, I can clearly hear coil whine when the load is gone after charging
dusky plank
capacity says 95% after more than a year, I cant complain
static schooner
90% after 3 🤷♂️
I just think it makes no difference. Phone makers know you leave it charging
hushed basalt
I think we've been over this several times
Sitting at a high state of charge damages lithium ion batteries
static schooner
Worst case, you’re messing with the algorithm
And they don’t let that happen
Because they know
hushed basalt
My main point is some do and some don't
For the devices with shitty management you're definitely trashing your battery letting it sit at 100%
pliant niche
My old Motorola still had a replaceable battery, which was good because overcharging and age caused the battery to... Balloon? It grew a tumour. I don't know much but I feel lucky it didn't explode. Definitely trying to take care of my current phone better
glacial knot
yea, replaced my old phone when it was about twice the size it was supposed to be
forest edge
you all are overthinking this shit and there have been blogs and videos and articles for years pointing it out lol
hushed basalt
Feel free to provide an example
forest edge
you mean shit like this? https://www.businessinsider.com/safe-charge-smartphone-overnight-2017-8 or were you wanting an actual example of charging anxiety cause there are articles on that too lol
snow hedge
Kinda fun, had an electrician in since my breaker was randomly flipping. His solution was to bypass the RCCB and add a switch, my friend looked at it and said it's illegal... Fun times \o/
forest edge
uh
snow hedge
I'm just here like...not sure if fire hazard 😂
abstract phoenix
flat lintel
lets see here
Taken care of, thanks for the report @abstract phoenix!
(And apologies)
hearty depot
Fuck... my Boss reintruduced office days...
2 per week - thats 4 hours travel time allone
hearty depot
Love the work I have there too much.
system engeneer for a cloud provider moving towards ISP services.
so many cool things to set up.
deft pewter
You love it enough to spend half your free time commuting? 🤪
For now, it's 2 days... if people don't quit, that'll go to 3... then 4...
It's a test. Businesses that want you back 5 days a week won't immediately go to 5 days. They want to see how many people leave.
hearty depot
too true - got a month grace period due to my new born
deft pewter
My commute was going to be similar at my previous job. Old office was only 7 minutes from my home... but they moved across town and the new office is an hour away 🤢
10 hours a week sitting in the car, getting mad at traffic, spending my own money on fuel and not getting paid for 10 hours of 'work' time. They can fuck off.
hearty depot
when I'm in office I might try out to make live miserable for everyone around me. It might help 🤣
hearty depot
subtle pasture
Alder Lake is stacking up to be an interesting product launch 👀
https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-cpu-destroys-amd-ryzen-9-5950x-in-single-core-mult-thread-benchmark-leak/amp/
Looks like Intel finally nailed 7nm
forest edge
meh
subtle pasture
This is basically what Rocket Lake was supposed to be, before they were forced to back-port it to 14nm, losing the "little" cores in the process.
forest edge
i'm over this new cpu garbo.. where the hell is my actual Jarvis
subtle pasture
I'm on a CPU from 2014, I'm looking to upgrade 😛
And as poetic as it would be to upgrade from "the last 22nm intel CPU" to "the last 14nm intel CPU", I'd rather upgrade to their first 7nm CPU
forest edge
lol 6 years
subtle pasture
Your math is off...
forest edge
it's close enough
subtle pasture
2014 was 7 years ago, coming up on 8 in ~3 months
forest edge
it could be a giant turd sandwhich
subtle pasture
So far it's looking good,with per-core performance being literally twice that of my current CPU 🤷♀️
I'm down to upgrade from an 8 core to an 8+8 core, where the first 8 cores are twice as fast as my old 8 cores, and the second 8 cores are 20% faster than my old 8 cores. lol
forest edge
meh not worth the $
subtle pasture
How so?
It's actually rather rare that you can get double your CPU performance with an upgrade, these days
forest edge
they are dumping out a new gen every year.. just get a 10th or 11th and cut the price in half lol
subtle pasture
This seems more worth-it than any CPU since Skylake
Going 10th or 11th doesn't actually drop the price. A 9900k, 10900k, and 11900k all cost roughly the same amount
Intel never really drops prices, they just let stock deplete
forest edge
sure it does, not to mention it's more than just the cpu itself you save on
subtle pasture
How does it drop the price when they cost the same?
They all run in the same motherboards, and they all use the same RAM...
forest edge
first of all, how do you know the price of the 12th gen? wasn't listed on that site
subtle pasture
Pretty easy to speculate when Intel has made their *900k product roughly the same price for 10 generations...
forest edge
so your guessing
subtle pasture
Not really
All previous iterations have been between $500 and $600
It would be weirder if it were outside of that price range
forest edge
mine is a 10th gen and it wasn't 500-600 lol
subtle pasture
What's a 107?
forest edge
10700k
empty snow
@midnight adder spamming from this server
subtle pasture
I was comparing *900k chips, not *700
flat lintel
I got it
subtle pasture
Thanks for clarifying. lol
empty snow
Gotchu fam haha
flat lintel
Taken care of
forest edge
I was comparing *900k chips, not *700
oh that's right
flat lintel
i did not accidentally ban leapo, I swear
wet pilot
lol
subtle pasture
whats your point
Pointing out that going with an older CPU doesn't save you much money...
subtle pasture
How so?
forest edge
every aspect gets cheaper lol
subtle pasture
Except it doesn't?
forest edge
how not?
subtle pasture
Because it'll be the same motherboard and RAM, just a different CPU, which is the same MSRP...
low harness
i did not accidentally ban leapo, I swear
Key word being "accidentally"
subtle pasture
Might as well get the 11th gen chip (now) or the 12th gen chip (in a couple months) because it's not going to save me any money buying 10th gen...
Not to mention, the 10th gen chip is slower
trail crag
@subtle pasture c'mon, stop with this HW spam
forest edge
I baffled how you think the price just stays the same lol
subtle pasture
@forest edge I'm baffled how you don't see it. Intel never lowers their MSRPs...
The MSRP of my current CPU is still $999
low harness
...I guess that joke really only works on IRC where you can stay in the channel after a ban until you're kicked...
forest edge
well I don't buy directly from intel for one
subtle pasture
Neither do I, but prices on Amazon and Newegg don't ever really go down on old intel CPUs either
They just slowly run out of stock, then vanish
forest edge
if you want to be a sticker, sure on thier site the msrp never changes.. same with nvidia lol
but that dosen't mean in real world shit dosen't get cheaper
subtle pasture
Nvidia actually does lower their MSRP over time...
forest edge
rarely would I ever buy anything off newegg
there are sales all the time, shit gets cheap.. but not just released shit
subtle pasture
Still waiting on i7 6950x's to get cheap 😛
They still retail for $1500, 6 years after release, in spite of a $488 10900k being faster.
forest edge
it does.. my bloomfield was an extreme and cost me 15 bucks when i bought it...
subtle pasture
Brand new?
subtle pasture
Yeah, when did the used market enter into things? lol
forest edge
it's always an option
subtle pasture
I'm not dropping $400 on a used CPU
forest edge
then don't get an i9
subtle pasture
I'll spend that much on a new chip, but not a used one
Who knows what the previous owner did to it
forest edge
oh please
they either work or they don't.. not like it's going to conceal someone's jizz or something
subtle pasture
Not true. You can damage a CPU with voltage in such a way that it A) wont overclock as far, and B) will begin to fail to run at stock clocks within a number of years
subtle pasture
Not crazy at all, it's actually super common on X99 CPUs
The memory controller is easily damaged
forest edge
you'll be fine
subtle pasture
That's why I was wary dropping even $120 on a used 5960x
forest edge
unless your whole life has been a cloud of bad luck
subtle pasture
you'll be fine
I'll be fine because I'm not planning on buying used for an Alder Lake build 😛
forest edge
be a neat trick if you could
subtle pasture
You'd just have to wait, no real trick there...
forest edge
and waiting is the same as getting a 11th gen..
subtle pasture
But, again, I wouldn't buy such a new CPU used
I wouldn't buy 11th gen used, either
I might buy a 6th gen chip used, that seems old enough and cheap enough that it wouldn't suck too hard if it fried
forest edge
well it's good to know people like you exsist that pay top dollar for brand spanking new stuff lol
subtle pasture
@forest edge Again, I'm currently running a system from 2014 as far as the motherboard and CPU are concerned...
Top dollar every once in a while vs. bottom-dollar constantly 🤷♀️
forest edge
stop.. 7 years going on 8 is a joke.. I would still be rocking my bloomfield as a daily driver if I hadn't gotten this prebuilt with a 3070 for a steal lol
subtle pasture
Not a joke at all when performance has literally doubled in that time
Again, performance doubling just... doesn't happen very often anymore. That's a cool thing.
forest edge
yea like ram.. use half and the other half sits unused lol
subtle pasture
Superfetch keeps my RAM used when I'm not using it 🤷♀️
And I regularly use more than 16gb of RAM, anyway. Currently sitting at 12GB, and I don't even have AutoCAD open
forest edge
I love giving you shit, I don't actually care you want to buy a brand new cpu lol
i will say for someone who spent a long time complaining about phone prices, you wanting to drop a ton on a new cpu is kind of funny
subtle pasture
You tried to tell me to get an older one because it might save me a few dollars on an $900 rebuild. lol
subtle pasture
i will say for someone who spent a long time complaining about phone prices, you...
The CPU is cheaper than the phone...
Like, I'm literally looking at getting a new CPU and motherboard, maybe even DDR5 RAM, and it's not as expensive as that phone I was looking at...
Phone prices are insane right now
There's also the fact that a desktop PC tends to have a significantly longer lifesplan than a smartphone, so...
it's waaaay easier for me to swallow spending $900 on an overhaul of my desktop PC than $1500 on a smartphone that'll stop getting updates in ~2 years
forest edge
There's also the fact that a desktop PC tends to have a significantly longer lif...
oh? you mean the 7 years? lol
fathom sparrow
What smartphones are you looking at that are 1500? I just got an iPhone 12 for 1k, no special deals
deft pewter
Some are getting ridiculous. The new folding ones are a good example.
I have no idea why flip phones are making a comeback though. We all found out what a terrible idea they were last time.
forest edge
well that's because they are relying on the suckers willing to spend to fiance the progress in folding phones
wait, when were flip phones bad?
deft pewter
Around the same time that having a mechanical hinge meant the cables fell to pieces.
They were some of the least reliable phones of their time.
forest edge
don't remember that
deft pewter
Then you were one of the lucky few 🤷♂️
I know material technologies have progressed a lot since then... but I still wouldn't trust something to bend thousands of times without giving up
forest edge
I mean I don't remember it being an issue when they were around
transition away from flip phones was more of just easier for bigger touch screens
well they are bending glass, i wouldn't rely on that either
deft pewter
Plastic, but yeah... even the most flexible plastics will eventually fail.
forest edge
plastic? what phones you talking about. the samsung shit is glass
deft pewter
One of the interesting things about an OLED screen, about these flexible displays that are being used in these foldable phones, is that there isn't a glass pane on top of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/foldable-phone-screen-flexible-display-technology-glass-plastic-lcd-oled-2019-4?r=US&IR=T
Maybe some models use glass. Most don't, since it's a stupid choice of material for the purpose.
But instead of fabricating these AMOLEDs on a rigid glass substrate, as is normally done, these companies use a thin, flexible polymer.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/from-foldable-phones-to-stretchy-screens
deft pewter
It's not glass if it's not made from melting silica into a transparent pane 🤯
Plastics are polymers.
deft pewter
That's not how glass works...
forest edge
don't ask me i am not a engineer just remember all the crap that's been released about since the first one took a shit
deft pewter
You remember their marketing materials. Since when have they ever been known to be truthful?
forest edge
i think there is a video from corning on it in fact
deft pewter
Companies will say anything to sell their product.
Oh, Corning... marketing materials again.
subtle pasture
oh? you mean the 7 years? lol
7+ years. My old parts aren't going away. They're probably going in my server rack to run Plex Media Server.
And I'm not sure why you're laughing at 7 years. That's a long time for computer hardware...
forest edge
no it's not
forest edge
maybe to you millennials it is
deft pewter
Our brains are still quick enough to notice the difference. 😉
subtle pasture
lol, you have it backwards man
7 years used to mean EVEN MORE for computers than it does now
deft pewter
Yeah, Moore's law doesn't hold anymore 😢
subtle pasture
If anyone should have respect for how much can change in 7 years, it's older people who were around for the dawn of home computing
forest edge
https://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-z-flips-display-glass-or-plastic#:~:text=Best answer%3A The Galaxy Z,on the same durability level. guess now it's two layers.. i dunno
subtle pasture
That's why I'm sitting here so gobsmacked that I can upgrade and double my per-core performance. That used to happen all the time, now it's almost unheard of...
deft pewter
So the only phone that has a layer of 'glass' is still easily scratched and might as well just be plastic. Gotcha,
forest edge
Yeah, Moore's law doesn't hold anymore 😢
isn't that ironic
That used to happen all the time, now it's almost unheard of.. this right here lol
spoiled
subtle pasture
Exactly, so you should understand exactly why 7 years is a huge time-frame for computers
Yeah, you were spoiled
We don't get upgrades like that, at that pace, anymore
I'm happy to actually see it again, at all
forest edge
advancements were not as quick back then as they are today lol
subtle pasture
Computer power doubled regularly back then...
That doesn't happen at the same pace anymore, not even close
forest edge
and even at that they were minuscule
subtle pasture
Which is what mono's "moores law is dead" comment was about
deft pewter
The advancements we see now aren't in raw power. They're in how computers are being used.
forest edge
efficiency
subtle pasture
Pretty much, though certain things still only get faster when raw power improves
There are still tasks that can't be efficiently threaded, unfortunately
forest edge
but we didn't pay the same price for an upgrade as you so wanted to argue about
costs just kept climbing
subtle pasture
Costs have actually gone down if you factor-in inflation
forest edge
yea we don't
subtle pasture
The number looks bigger, but the buying power of those dollars is way weaker now
forest edge
inflation is a joke
deft pewter
Inflation is real, whether you like it or not. It's disingenuous to ignore it.
forest edge
yea tell that to all those still making the same wage 20+ years later
deft pewter
It sucks for them. That doesn't mean it's not real.
subtle pasture
I will, they're getting fucked by the system
deft pewter
If wages don't keep up with inflation, they're poorer now than before. That doesn't mean inflation isn't real either.
If I ever get a year where my annual raise isn't over inflation, I'll switch jobs. Anything else is a pay cut.
forest edge
it actually just balances it, instead of the prices going up even more, wages just keep being pushed back
laff
deft pewter
Balances it? Prices rise, their pay doesn't. They're poorer now than before.
forest edge
yea but if wages went up, the jump in prices would too
deft pewter
If they could buy 20 hamburgers with their wage before and can now only afford 10 hamburgers, how the fuck is that balancing anything?
forest edge
is what I was joking about
subtle pasture
yea but if wages went up, the jump in prices would too
Prices do not go up proportionally to wage increases. This has been proven time and time again.
forest edge
omfg it was a joke
subtle pasture
Which is why minimum wage increases don't crash the economy
forest edge
you kids
subtle pasture
How old is SonomaGTS, anyway? Dude acts older than my father...
forest edge
likely am..
forest edge
you can always tell when someone is older cause they don't get all offended so quick when talking about stuff they lived through vs what they just read about lol
deft pewter
You can always tell when someone's older because they act all superior 🤷♂️
Wind your neck in.
clever mortar
clever mortar
Can I just gently point that out to people before I go play whack-an-idiot
forest edge
see tinkerers post makes it seem like people were heated
clever mortar
More that necks need wound in
forest edge
Fact of the matter is, technology seemed fast to us then but compared to today it was crawling. we paid more for incremental improvements vs your "double performance"
and of course it would be cheaper today, as everything that improves in mass manufacturing does
subtle pasture
And I argue improvements happened faster then than they do now
forest edge
only on paper
subtle pasture
Explain
forest edge
sec, trying to find a site that will show dates
subtle pasture
We literally used to double transistor counts on such a regular basis that we named an unofficial law after it
That doesn't happen anymore
Not at nearly the same pace
clever mortar
Yeah, apparently physics is getting in the way 😄
deft pewter
Just make them smaller 🤏
forest edge
your comparing the beginning of a new era with what we have today? in the sense because shit was being invented vs improved upon
go look up pentiums
subtle pasture
I owned a pentium processor. What's your point?
forest edge
I cannot find anything that gives prices on shit that old in stages
shit came out in minuscule steps yet the prices were the same as comparing one gen to another (obviously not the places you shop)
subtle pasture
First PC I purchased for myself ran a 486, oddly enough
subtle pasture
I dunno man, going from a Motorola 68000 to a 486 was pretty amazing back in the day
forest edge
oh please
subtle pasture
No "oh please" about it, that x86 chip was orders of magnitude faster...
clever mortar
Had a system powered by a 68000, upgraded to a 386 😄
forest edge
i still have a 286 in my closet
i have two of these in there as well https://youtu.be/y3Fz4n0hTZM
talkk about a heavy laptop lol
subtle pasture
and because you owned a 486 you witnessed the birth?
I don't need to physically witness something to speak on the subject...
forest edge
oh the necks need to be wound again
ionic leaf
wow these new google nest cams kinda suck. Just got the battery one delivered and realized it doesn't show in the nest app so there's no way to watch it on the web on a computer it seems unless I put it through home assistant
forest edge
bottom line leapo, if you are trying to suggest that tech was cheaper and advanced faster then then now, you are wrong. I don't care what any article or blog says. might have been different for those in eu but here nope
subtle pasture
I said tech was more expensive (that's when inflation came up in the conversation), and that it advanced more quickly
subtle pasture
That said, you effectively saying "I don't care what evidence you have" basically shuts down all further discussion
So have fun in your pocket reality, I suppose...
forest edge
and that's where the difference between living it and reading it comes into play
subtle pasture
Lol
forest edge
i am not wrong tinkerer
subtle pasture
You don't need to be physically present for an event to know about it
forest edge
that is kind of like saying you watched the movie Pompeii so now is an expert
subtle pasture
That's the same kind of logical fallicy young-earth creationists use to dismiss scientists
forest edge
here we go lol
clever mortar
i am not wrong tinkerer
You are however making me wonder just what the heck is up with you... you feeling alright? Because, damn, but you're argumentative and grumpy of late...
subtle pasture
that is kind of like saying you watched the movie Pompeii so now is an expert
That's a straw man and you know it. Lol
forest edge
you know, this is that running joke about millennials
hearty depot
nice deal https://www.yubico.com/brave/
forest edge
You are however making me wonder just what the heck is up with you... you feelin...
shouldn't just always clam up.. not healthy
arguing is actually healthy
clever mortar
🤔
forest edge
it is
clever mortar
Being a troll however...
subtle pasture
you know, this is that running joke about millennials
Let's avoid the ageism from here on out
forest edge
not when it's a critical part of the debate
forest edge
this is not heated
clever mortar
You're also failing https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/
Being respectful of differing opinions, viewpoints, and experiences
For a start
forest edge
which part?
clever mortar
You're deliberately talking down to anybody who disagrees with you
forest edge
it's not called a debate for nothing
clever mortar
Debate would involve listening, not belittling and insulting
forest edge
what part belittled?
the discussion is litterally about experince vs written documentation
as in someone living through something vs reading about it
that is not belittling
subtle pasture
You told me you didn't care what I brought to the table, because any evidence was insufficient vs. being there. That's not a debate at that point, that's basically just putting your fingers in your ears.
I'm fine to end it there, though. There's no point in discussing it further.
forest edge
your evidence was owning two used machines and commenting on the speed difference. so yea, my bottom line was my ending statement
subtle pasture
That was not all of the evidence, and you assumed they were used
and I did not comment on the speed difference between the two machines I owned/purchased myself at any point
I commented on the speed difference between a Motorola 68000 and a 486. Those CPUs came out 10 years apart, and the 486 is, quite literally (going by MIPS) 10 times faster
I just had to wait almost 8 years for 2x faster
Things have slowed down man
low harness
Speaking of old computers, I've been digging through the hard drive shoe box. I'm on an old 3 GB one now and Holy Crap It's Loud!
How did we ever live with those things in our homes?
clever mortar
Yeah, I remember having to massively sound proof my early PCs
These days running pretty quiet is the norm
Mind you, I did once build a high airflow case that sounded like somebody was running an industrial vacuum cleaner 🤣
subtle pasture
I still sound-proof my PCs, but I'm a silence freak 👀
I ran bungee-suspended hard disks, back in the day, to silence the seek noise
❤️ SSDs
clever mortar
Yeah, I used to use the soft mounts for those, and fans
I'd switch my server to SSDs, but multi-TB SSDs are costly 😄
low harness
Me too. Arctic Cooling had a special super quiet case. Unfortunately it had a built in PSU too, so it wasn't exactly future proof.
subtle pasture
Yeah, for real
I'd love to replace all my 1TB NVMe drives with a single 4TB drive, at some point...
clever mortar
The CPU fan is noisier than the disks at idle, just. The case fans and PSU fan are effectively silent (well, the PSU fan almost never turns on, which helps)
low harness
The case on my gpu rattles when the fans spin up. Drives me nearly nuts enough to print a support for it...
night zodiac
Leapo, someone said this in the drone discord and I thought of you.
'hope you're doing well, lol
subtle pasture
Doing great. Still haven't attempted a double-shot silicone mold yet, though 👀
night zodiac
haha, they were talking about adding grip to 3d printed thumb sticks for the controllers
subtle pasture
Yeah, you could either print that in TPU, or print a mold and cast it in silicone
Then pop it onto the existing stick
Just make sure you get stiff enough silicone. There's a huuuuge range, with some being almost too soft to handle
forest edge
I commented on the speed difference between a Motorola 68000 and a 486. Those CP...
it's not much a feat to make a turd roll faster tbh
night zodiac
yeah, they were talking about TPU and stringing and weren't about it
subtle pasture
The 68000 wasn't a turd... it was actually incredibly popular
Commodore, Apple, Atari, etc. all used the 68000 processor at some point in their product lines
low harness
Doing great. Still haven't attempted a double-shot silicone mold yet, though 👀
Thinking of doing keycaps?
night zodiac
ass caps
low harness
Guess you're right...
glacial knot
don't you want to feel like you got a hundred nipples at your fingers when you work with your PC?
night zodiac
well now I do
night zodiac
our typing teacher had one you couldn't see through and that is the only time I have used it
forest edge
sure they are made with much better material these days
subtle pasture
You see those a lot in industrial settings, where there's particulate (wood/metal shavings, food waste, etc) flying around.
forest edge
i've used the hard plastic ones and the soft ones.. course the soft one's may have just been the hard ones but over used
subtle pasture
Really helps keep keyboards that are in less-than-idea conditions from getting all crusty
forest edge
they actually impacted key stroke in the day
wow almost burned 3 hours stirring the pot
night zodiac
forest edge
deft pewter
That's not even her final form.
forest edge
pervert
uncut stirrup
forest edge
did i really lose blue cause i upset a millennial?
I mean.. what other guess am i suppose to have?
not like communication is bountiful
clever mortar
Shame you've blocked DMs from everybody then
forest edge
i have it turned off on server, yea. so?
i'm not the only one
what does that have to do with this?
whatever, not mad about it. but seems kind of childish to be honest
deft pewter
This is probably a conversation best had in private with one of the mods, not in #the-water-cooler
If they can't DM you due to your Discord settings, DM them to initiate the conversation.
forest edge
there is a special channel for this that was accessible..
forest edge
think he blocked me lol
deft pewter
Probably best to leave the drama behind and move on.
onyx mesa
What audio system should I go with for HA compatibility? Is that a thing?
deft pewter
There's a bunch of #integrations-archived that work with various media players/devices. Check the topic in there to find a list of integrations, filter by media player
onyx mesa
Basically route audio to speakers in the house, whether they're from a pc, spotify, or a TV source. Ah! Thanks
deft pewter
And FYI, we don't do support in this channel. Start in #general-archived if you're not sure where to ask.
This channel's mostly for raccoon gifs
onyx mesa
Noted! Honestly at this point I'd be happy if the responded were just racoon gifs
deft pewter
This looks awesome: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/08/upcoming-game-turns-quest-vr-headsets-into-real-life-laser-tag-machines/
If I had a Quest (and friends) I'd try it.
night zodiac
nice
my buddy that has been working a lot with source 3 vr kind of hinted at me that valve might focus on a wireless system
he talks to them a bit
he didn't say it straight up but strongly hinted
the lines on the lazer tag field are neat
deft pewter
It's pretty cool that they can do peer-to-peer networking after the initial handshake with the servers. Tons of possibilities for local multiplayer.
night zodiac
semi related, there is a group of people doing drone game modes with shooting and such
looks more fun for fixed wing to me
they use it for that a bit
deft pewter
So like FPV with laser tag?
low harness
This looks awesome: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/08/upcoming-game-turns-q...
Space pirate?
deft pewter
Does the drone you target blow up when you hit it?
night zodiac
hobby rocket motor igniter + fireworks + led leads
deft pewter
Nothing that dramatic. I was just thinking like those tank toys that 'exploded' (sprint-mounted bits popped off)
deft pewter
No can do. Michael Bay is booked up.
dull chasm
Dont need him we got RAMBO
yall had churchill but now you have johnson 🤣
I wish someone would give him a comb
forest edge
i wish someone would answer thier DM...
bitter pawn
night zodiac
time to make your own
forest edge
ok, so we can't talk about millennials and can't talk about covid and raccoons are way over talked about as is... how should spice up OT tonight?
last cedar
Raccoons in the process of evolving into minions
Never
near flare
I am having a panic attack, I think wemo just removed local access to my switches
forest edge
if you are having a panic attack over something not working in HA then you are not HA'ing correctly.
near flare
well now I think I am screwed
3 lights not working
and it was a firmware update it seems
rare condor
What's the best home automation thing you have added to your home?
rare condor
interesting I have one on my desk i only have it turn on/off lights with flip, found it too annoying by accidentally moving it
What is your use case?
glacial knot
mostly scene select
And how the hell do you move it by accident? Did you react to wakeup or slide events? o.0
rare condor
I'm clumsy
deft pewter
At a certain point you realise whispering to your phone so that your other voice assistant won’t hear you is batshit crazy.
😂
That's a fun read, and definitely highlights some of the annoying parts of building a smart home.
karmic garden
thanks.
deft pewter
Is it your article? If you'd like more people to see it, maybe post it on the forums too? It'll scroll off screen here and be missed by most people.
karmic garden
I uh, didn't want to cause too much hate or something
and I dunno if they
'd like the swearing.
gray root
lol
"Before all this, I’d actually bought a Sensibo ($150) smart device. This is an ESP8266 ($5) based wifi thing that uses a USB charger ($1) and an (admittedly slick) IR blaster to make the temperature in your lounge room reliant on AWS’s us-east-1"
that's one way of putting it
sorry hon, can't change the temp, AWS is down
glacial knot
or your ISP is being an idiot
there's a reason to reject this cloud reliance for local features
deft pewter
reliant on AWS’s us-east-1
Fortunately that hasn't gone down at all ||in the last month||
I love when US East goes down... takes half the internet with it.
deft pewter
Made the mistake of taking the missus out for afternoon tea. She likes it and wants to go back 😢
My poor wallet.
glacial knot
I wish I had a good place to get tea near by :/
deft pewter
The tea wasn't fancy, just English breakfast tea. The food was great though.
If you ever find yourself in Newcastle upon Tyne: https://www.blackfriarsrestaurant.co.uk/_assets/media/menu/61.pdf
glacial knot
probably not any time soon
I'll do scotland when reasonably possible
And then wales
Just so I can say, that I took a shit in every UK country
deft pewter
😂
You don't need to contribute to Scotland, it's already full of shit.
Right, Tinkerer?
glacial knot
I've got England, and both Irelands down so far
clever mortar
Right, Tinkerer?
Well, that's because the Geordie tourists
glacial knot
don't you still have parts of that wall? can't you just build that up to size again?
it's gonna be better than the one at the mexican border at least 😂
deft pewter
Up to size? It was only something like 3 feet tall, it wasn't there to stop people.
It was to mark a boundary, not to fortify anything.
The tens of thousands of Roman troops stationed at various garrisons along the wall, on the other hand... they did a good job of keeping the barbarians Scots out.
clever mortar
Made it harder to steal stuff, that was the point
deft pewter
You jerks still find a way though.
deft pewter
I know They Might Be Giants are weird... but I just discovered this crazy tune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTSBFb_GR4
subtle pasture
Looks like Microsoft did a u-turn. You will be able to install Windows 11 on older hardware than what's on the official compatibility list:
https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/22644194/microsoft-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements-processors-changes
glacial knot
nice. no new features \o/
midnight adder
everyone is switching to discord 'eh?
irc is just not the place to go anymore
lookin on libera chat for something associated.... nope
any quality chats here about the quantification of consumption? as an example
being able to obtain real time graphs for the usages
or about things like... soil pipes with copper heat exchangers for showers to freecycle some of that wasted heat
heating water to just dump it down the drain after a few seconds
things like the united nations agenda 21 and the 2030 goals?
decentralization?
netzero housing?
i worked in hvac for a bit and i started looking at things like MUA units or just your standard gas fired economizing roof top unit
then covid hit and thinsg like IAQ
ashrae 62.1
yada yada
thing is you gotta be able to start recording stats prior to the start of your retrofits so you can actually see the results
midnight adder
i can't believe how cheap an enthalpy sensor is
cloud reef
What is your preferred way to interface, web, phone, tablet, tv or voice? Why?
glacial knot
With?
I’d love voice, if there was a way that doesn’t sell my soul to an untrustworthy US corporate data hoarder
deft pewter
irc is just not the place to go anymore
Not for the last couple of decades, no...
deft pewter
I’d love voice, if there was a way that doesn’t sell my soul to an untrustworthy...
Not mind control? Those brain sensing headsets are getting more and more advanced. I don't think it'll be too long before there's actually a viable consumer product that lets you issue commands just by thinking them.
clever mortar
deft pewter
My last manager was a Dave. He didn't get the reference when I'd say that. Subsequently, he thought I was just being insubordinate until I explained 😂
clever mortar
I once built a server for a Dave, back when PCs had internal speakers, and configured the power button so that instead of shutting down the system it played that sound clip.
Apparently the first time they triggered it the whole office burst into laughter
cloud reef
Not mind control? Those brain sensing headsets are getting more and more advance...
I'm talking about more short term.
deft pewter
Within the next decade isn't short term enough?
It's not some technology that's going to take another 50 years.
cloud reef
If you were to launch a product next year, you wouldn't be looking into it.
clever mortar
Well, no, you'd be thinking into it 😛
glacial knot
eye control 🙂
feral oracle
Hi, I've created my first home assistant plugin. It's a HA/SIP gateway which allows to call a phone number in an automation and interact with HA through dial tones. I use it to get a call on my home phone if the door bell rings and then can open the door from the phone itself. It's based on pjsip2 and written in python. Currently I only tested it with my fritz.box so I don't know how compatible it is to other SIP providers. You can find it here: https://github.com/arnonym/ha-plugins
young sigil
Hi, I've created my first home assistant plugin. It's a HA/SIP gateway which all...
This is not the place to post . Try the forum share your projects category.
late gate
Is it possible to get docker hosts to reply on hostname? I set hostname in docker compose, but not possible to use the hostname
feral oracle
This is not the place to post . Try the forum share your projects category.
Thanks for the heads-up! I'll post it there!
glacial knot
Is there a way to remove that hub pseudo server in discord? :-
young sigil
The what now?
glacial knot
oh, it's only on mobile? There's a stupid button that tells me to join a school's hub
I'm not at any school
distant mesa
Pastebin seems to need a login now.
Looks like the auto code-wall to pastebin isn't working any more.
velvet horizonBOT
Attention!: Please use https://www.hastebin.com to share code that is more than 15 lines.
young sigil
Pastebin seems to need a login now.
It has also dropped syntax highlighting, has a non fixed width input font in a text box that is a lot smaller and the output is double spaced. It's like they let the work experience kid loose on the site and said "go nuts".
distant mesa
I cant figure out hastebin. There's no share button.
distant mesa
the save button didn't do anything for me. Humm.. What are ubuntu doing messing this all up? gerr.
If it aint broke...
young sigil
Yeah I just tried it. Not working for me either. Use hatebin.
I get a chuckle every time I write "hate" in the address bar to bring it up.
distant mesa
😄
glacial knot
no https://lovebin.com 😦
midnight adder
@deft pewterit really just depends on the suite or softwares you're using
i'd likely go to #cisco on libera chat for cisco help than try and find a cisco specific discord
same with debian support, pretty much all the linux distros
along with all the hypervisors for virt
problem, as i see it with discord, is all the gifs and pictures and emojis
anyone into AEC ? architecture engineering construction industries ?
other than a physical swinging actuator for a ball valve and the moen flo how are people running automated water shut off?
midnight adder
i want to measure the quality of the R/O water i have in my house
so i know when to change my filter, instead of doing it on a time frame and having no clue the real effect
same with uh... the air filter for an air handling unit
i'd also like a way to essentially blower door test my house at all times to record pressure differential
@glacial knot we scrollin them ascii's and they stackin like bricks
particulate sensors are pretty cheap too
Hello everyone
I'm new to Home Assistant and trying to plan a setup for the new apartment I'm moving into in a couple of weeks and need a sanity check (regarding AC solution). What would be the right channel to elaborate my question? I didn't see a general one.
are there lots of HVAC questions here?
in here - hopefully not. that's why I ask where to put them 😉
you're moving into a multi dwelling residence? what kind of AC do you have? window shaker? ptac? ductless split?
glacial knot
#general-archived is the general one
but sounds like either #hardware-archived or #integrations-archived
midnight adder
@glacial knot thanks - I'll try other first I guess
midnight adder
you're moving into a multi dwelling residence? what kind of AC do you have? win...
split units - 7 of them (2 in the living room, 1 kitchen and 1 in each room)
whoa. where are the condensers situated?
not that it matters
i'm jst curious
are they heat pumps?
or just AC?
there's a balcony going around 3 sides of the apartment and most are situated on the one side (closest to a neighbouring building))
just AC
how do you intend getting signal to/from each head? wireless?
that's one of the issues but I think I'll move this conversation to #general-archived as it doesn't belong here. you're welcome to join 🙂
midnight adder
need a hvac specific channel
clever mortar
#hardware-archived is close enough 😄
glacial knot
could make #cool-hardware a thing 😄
clever mortar
#fridge ?
glacial knot
that's atx's garden
deft pewter
Got a new family member today:
I'm sure @last cedar will love it, even if it doesn't have stripes.
young sigil
It looks like an albino firefox.
glacial knot
did it rummage through your trash yet?
deft pewter
He's got little grey patches on the top of his head as if someone spilled something on him 😂
deft pewter
did it rummage through your trash yet?
No trash yet but he's already explored the whole house. It was fun watching him run from room to room before he'd even setting down enough to play.
Existing cat is hiding from him 😅
static schooner
very cute. mine were about that size when I got them, now 5 years old 
deft pewter
Yeah, they don't stay small for long. Our other cat is coming up on 8 years old but we've had him since 8 weeks.
I remember him being small but it's easy to forget just how small.
static schooner
my first kittens years ago could sit in my shoe
deft pewter
For context, that picture is the new kitten in a blanket on my wife's lap.
We put away all of our shoes when we got in to avoid that 😂
glacial knot
at least a cat's bite won't kill you when you try to put the shoe on D:
static schooner
kitten claws are like little razor blades, and they don't know what they're doing yet
glacial knot
if a claw to the toe kills you, I think you got some other problems
deft pewter
This one seems playful but not too rough. He was playfighting with my hand for a bit and I could feel his claws but no blood was drawn.
Photo doesn't capture it well but he has bright blue eyes too ❤️
deft pewter
This is our fourth cat so far (not at the same time, we're not crazy cat people) and none have been destructive yet.
Completely different personalities but none have been assholes.
glacial knot
maybe they hold back, when there's already one in the house 🤔
midnight adder
what is the name of that apparatus that allows me to connect one end of a wire to a tone generator then it has a wand i can wave around wires to find out where they go
or which ones are which
i could probably do it with a LED and a battery
i wanna call it a bird dog
it looks like when they left this place they just cut all the cables
nothing is labeled
the next question is... fluke?
my multimeter and amp clamp is fluke
i got a UEI manometer and gas detector
clever mortar
Sounds like you be better off asking the DIY folks over in #diy-archived
young sigil
what is the name of that apparatus that allows me to connect one end of a wire t...
That's known as a woo-woo tester (after the sound it makes) where i work. "Cable tracer" to normal people.
The Fluke Intelitone is ok. I prefer the Aegis F-Set.
deft pewter
Better idea of scale
static schooner
or it's some giant, mutant banana
deft pewter
That's the thing with bananas, you never really know how big they are.
One of these things is not like the other 🤔
clever mortar
midnight adder
The Fluke Intelitone is ok. I prefer the Aegis F-Set.
.net.au ? probably find killer spiders in the box
;]
i got 4 wire t-stat wire connected to a transformer in the basement near my electrical panel
idk where the other end of the wire goes
i can see where it goes into a hole in the ceiling in the basement somewhere to main floor
clever mortar
If you're actually looking for help with DIY, there's a channel for that
deft pewter
We also don't like monologues much here. If there's a question, please ask it (in the relevant channel).
midnight adder
well i don't really see a channel about sustainable development. i don't really see a channel associated with AEC.
i figured i'd just throw some text out there and see if there were folk with the same interests ;]
beg your pardon
clever mortar
I previously pointed you at the #diy-archived channel for help with DIY
deft pewter
🤯
clever mortar
There are Discord servers, and forums, for that kind of thing then 
clever mortar
Well, it's fine, but you've posted a few long chains of thought
low harness
If you're not asking for support, starting a new discussion about a mystery wire is fine.
And slightly intriag... fascinating
clever mortar
Though, given that there's channels with folks who mess with hardware/wiring, you're more likely to find help/guidance/ideas there
low harness
Some day I'll learn to spell that word.
clever mortar
Personally I'm good with injecting 240V into mystery wires to see what catches fire
low harness
That's a well known technique. Works great for high voltage power cables.
clever mortar
Works even better for low voltage cables - you get more smoke
midnight adder
i'll give it a try, thanks for the help
low harness
... this is exactly we we advice against asking for advice here... 😉
clever mortar
Also, electrical standards vary across the planet 😄
What's a great idea for 110V may be a bad idea for 240V, or the other way around
||we'll just pretend homes have no low voltage wiring||
low harness
And neither is probably a good idea for thermostat control wiring.
clever mortar
Probably, I'm sure there's one out there that behaves otherwise 😄
low harness
If it's a transformer near the main panel, could it be for a door bell, btw?
clever mortar
Here transformers are typically in the doorbell unit
low harness
That's a normal thing in Sweden at least
clever mortar
Unless they're really old, where they'll be somewhere on the wall
low harness
Especially if you have more than one door bell they're usually on a special low voltage AC circuit so all buttons ring the same bell.
clever mortar
Multiple doorbells would be unusual here
midnight adder
idk. they have a vista20p alarm board down here but no keypads
none of the wires are labelled
there's about 15 strands of cat5
it looks like there's a telephone line run to each room
i got tons of cables to play with i just dunno which ones are for which areas
so i need a tone generator
deft pewter
low harness
That's La Giaconda, right?
tidal bronze
so i need a tone generator
And a toner. Would be the easiest way out.
midnight adder
wife wants me to put R/O on the upstairs island
and it's granite counter top
lots of water and a diamond tip cup saw
wish me luck
clever mortar
I'd rather wish you careful planning 😄
midnight adder
lost my 600 day uptime on my google cloud vps
anyone know any exterior motorized shutters? like... window shutters?
glacial knot
letsencrypt with dns based certbot is cool. I now have local only services with valid ssl certificates 🙂
midnight adder
you see googles new trust services?
or i mean the latest release of google https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/08/google-cloud-cas-ga/
midnight adder
@hushed basalt interesting and critical. nice phrasing.
hushed basalt
It's undifferentiated heavy lifting, but is it something you should take outside of a company
midnight adder
for my Lan devices that host services (proxmox, pfsense, freenas) I just sign my own certs
hushed basalt
I think it's a trade off,
Talking about comnercial uses not home,
Google is far less likely to screw it up than you
But if they do screw it up the blast radius is bigger than you
midnight adder
haha.
I've used pfsense to manage my pki for VPN for a long time.
I have 11 vps in a vpn
mainly just for squid and reverse proxy though.
whack a mole
frosty stone
can anyone help me my home assistant cannot resolve dns (hostnames) from another vlan
on unifi
velvet horizonBOT
dull chasm
oh boy 145 substained and 165 gust ....coming right at the house
deft pewter
dull chasm
too funny .....the kite will prolly be my floors
lucid bison
Lmao
Has anyone here used Debian before?
Ive installed Debian on a hyper v virtual machine
However after rebooting I just get a flashing cursor
glacial knot
Hyper-V sucks
lucid bison
It may
However I have windows server for many things
Active directory and windows deployment services
hushed basalt
Bone conductor headsets look pretty cool
They don't suit any applications that I would use them for, but I could see how they could be amazing for certain people
jaunty elk
Hey everyone!
deft pewter
What are those numbers?
clever mortar
How many feet of water he's under
deft pewter
They don't look like next week's winning lottery numbers.
deft pewter
Beans are good for that.
clever mortar
Sure they do, you just need to feed up the jolly green giant
deft pewter
That's some crazy weather. Hope you're safe.
Worst I've had to be out in was 55mph but that was just fun... went for a jog in a storm to see what the headwinds were like 😂
dull chasm
Image
static schooner
that's terrifying. all the letters
subtle pasture
oh boy 145 substained and 165 gust ....coming right at the house
Doesn't that make it a Category 5 storm? Yikes...
subtle pasture
Heh, Myst just got re-re-re-re-re-re-released: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1255560/Myst/
I think they're competing with Skyrim for most re-releases, at this point
This game has run on Quicktime (as a game engine), the Plasma engine, the Unity engine, and now the Unreal engine. lol
fallow karma
Skyrim, is one of the games "i have to play sometime"
BTW , today i logged in SWTOR, and don't even remember how to use quick travel. The reason may be that I didn't play it few years, or i'm getting old and have memory loss
low harness
Heh, Myst just got re-re-re-re-re-re-released: https://store.steampowered.com/ap...
Does it work on OSX now? I backed one of the re-re-re-releases and got my Mac versions shipped two months before OSX stopped running 32 bit software...
static schooner
I had some old CDs for Myst, Riven, and one of the later ones that only ran on PowerPC or Rosetta (emulation). Since they removed Rosetta years ago, the only way I could play them was to start a Windows VM and run the Windows executable in there.
Luckily, they included both Mac and Windows versions on the same CD
deft pewter
Q: I bought Myst when it first came out in 1993. Can I get a free upgrade to this new version?
A:Thank you for your support over the years! We are not giving out free upgrades to previous purchasers of the original Myst. We put a lot of effort into making this new version of Myst and would appreciate your financial support again!We want to keep milking this IP
midnight adder
lets hear it for sustainable development!
subtle pasture
> Q: I bought Myst when it first came out in 1993. Can I get a free upgrade to t...
To be fair, they did re-make the game from scratch
New engine, new assets, QA testing the whole thing to make sure it works in VR, etc.
glacial knot
QA testing? How old school. These days it's called early access 🙂
subtle pasture
This game didn't have an Early Access period