#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 724

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Your personal server is in your home, right?

golden isle Aug 21, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Yhea

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Then stop calling it a backup 😉

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House fire = both copies lost.

golden isle Aug 21, 2021, 9:51 AM

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Planning to build a backup one in a friend house once k will have the money

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Crap too slow x)

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 9:51 AM

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Back up to a cloud service (or multiple)

golden isle Aug 21, 2021, 9:51 AM

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It's a backup for failing drives, keeping all my most valuable stuff in cloud and or following the 3 2 1 rule

dusky plank Aug 21, 2021, 10:25 AM

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😋👨‍🍳

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 10:27 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/high-dog-smile-gif-7531350

Tenor

last cedar Aug 21, 2021, 1:07 PM

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When you renovate a room....

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And find a window.

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And it was home to a mouse!

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 1:30 PM

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You evicted the mouse? It was there before you

hot merlin Aug 21, 2021, 4:41 PM

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We had a beehive in a bricked up window at a place we rented.

deft pewter Aug 21, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Didn't the bees mind?

sand agate Aug 21, 2021, 6:24 PM

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It was pretty bad. Rob was the only one that actually knew anything lol

last cedar Aug 21, 2021, 6:25 PM

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deft pewter You evicted the mouse? It was there before you

The mouse constructed the wall

sand agate Aug 21, 2021, 6:25 PM

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It pretty much was. Any time Linus or Snazzy labs talked I was just cringing

last cedar Aug 21, 2021, 6:25 PM

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2/9-1964. Was called Kent

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static schooner Aug 21, 2021, 6:26 PM

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Rock solid evidence

last cedar Aug 21, 2021, 6:26 PM

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Yes

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Spagetti has started

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Redoing the entire house electrics

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Got a lot more tube to pull tommorow

forest edge Aug 21, 2021, 9:03 PM

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wait, when you move in sweden you take all the cabling with you?

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that's kind of messed up

clever mortar Aug 21, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Copper is expensive

forest edge Aug 21, 2021, 9:05 PM

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makes me think of that movie with Richard Pryor "Moving"

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dude buys a house with all these nice touches to find out the previous owner litterally ripped everything out

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https://youtu.be/eHANLC9JtWI

YouTube

aquaphoenix

House buying wisdom from the film, “Moving” (1988).

Buyer beware! Be sure to agree to each detail when buying a house!
Wisdom from the film, “Moving” (1988) starring Richard Pryor.

One of the funniest scenes ever!! “We’re taking it with us!”
Enjoy :)

▶ Play video

late gate Aug 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

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last cedar Redoing the entire house electrics

Allowed to do it yourself??

brisk glen Aug 21, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Found Michelle eating at home

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https://v.redd.it/4lfjh2g65si71

What a good baby

Posted in r/TikTokCringe by u/Oliviaordie • 31 points and 3 comments

forest edge Aug 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

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what sucks is, people see videos and such like that and think every racoon is like that so they go and try and get one of their own and it turns out bad for the racoon

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at least when idiots see those exotic cat videos and think they themselves could have a cool tiger the tiger gets an easy meal

twin anchor Aug 21, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Anyone familiar with udp broadcasting?

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 3:18 AM

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Thinking of getting a 50-55k tv for the kids games room

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I'm tempted to get an LCD LG so it's a semi consistent UI with my OLED C9,

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 3:27 AM

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why not just get them puzzles instead?

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https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-jigsaw-puzzle-smash-gif-16752652

Tenor

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 4:38 AM

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pretty sure there is already something out for that

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but this is the wrong channel. you should post that on the forums

young sigil Aug 22, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Yeah here would be much better: https://community.home-assistant.io/c/projects/9

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No one is going to see it here anyway. It's nothing but raccoons and homelab discussions. Post it in the correct place.

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:14 AM

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brisk glen Found Michelle eating at home

Omg!

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:16 AM

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late gate Allowed to do it yourself??

I am running all the pipe, and cable and chasing out all the walls.

Proper company is coming to do the rest. Even me running cables is a not really ok, but I have been doing it for 11 years for low voltage stuff.

I could absolutely wire it all up too, but that won't get me paperwork for the insurance

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I know someone at the company, all other companies said no, to the job. They want to do it all themseleves.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:27 AM

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so glad we are not forced to pay people to do that kind of stuff here lol

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:28 AM

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It gets expensive quick

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Dammit Razer... just another reason to avoid any of their products that require Synapse 2.0
https://twitter.com/j0nh4t/status/1429049506021138437?s=19

jonhat (@j0nh4t)

Need local admin and have physical access?

Plug a Razer mouse (or the dongle)
Windows Update will download and execute RazerInstaller as SYSTEM
Abuse elevated Explorer to open Powershell with Shift+Right click

Tried contacting @Razer, but no answers. So here's a freebie https://t.co/xDkl87RCmz

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last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:29 AM

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I can do all of it myself, but if something went wrong, it would suck

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Local privilege escalation to System because their driver installer is built incorrectly

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:29 AM

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subtle pasture Dammit Razer... just another reason to avoid any of their products that require ...

Glad I got rid of my old mouse :D

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Deathadder had a great shape

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Actually, OLD Razer mice aren't a problem. Synapse 1.0 can't be used to exploit this.

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I'm using an old Deathadder Chroma from 2012, which uses Synapse 1.0 by default

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:30 AM

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Aha!

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I had the old one from before synapse iirc. And then a 2013 one (green light)

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:31 AM

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I did manage to wear out the buttons, though.. had to pop open the mouse and replaced the left/right click microswitches with new ones

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Got Cherry brand switches in my mouse now 👍

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But yeah, old Razer good, new Razer bad. Their entire product stack when to shit real quick...

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They don't even use real Cherry MX switches in their keyboards anymore, they switched to knockoffs

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:33 AM

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The front thumb button went bad on mine, had to solder a new one in (first one)

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:33 AM

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Their RGB support also got worse. Their old mice and keyboards would remember what color you set on them without their software running. All of their Synapse 2.0 hardware goes into "rainbow dance party" mode if you stop their software (or if you lock your session, or if you log out, or if you get a UAC prompt)

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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2nd one the rubber grips fell off about a month out of warranty. Asked them if I could buy replacements, they said no, I could only RMA but I could only RMA if it was in warranty. So went back to logitech :)

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That is proper crap. I usually inatall the software to turn off lights. Then uninstall it 🤣

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:36 AM

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Oh, I won't touch anything Logitech with a 10 foot pole

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Their software is ass, too

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I literally had to uninstall every last Logitech driver on my system before I could enable Core Isolation / Memory Integrity

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All of their drivers are blacklisted because they don't conform to standards, and break if Memory Integrity is enabled

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"Oh, you want to use a Logitech mouse / webcam / steering wheel? Hope you don't mind disabling some major security features..."

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Windows 10 silently disables Memory Isolation if you plug in one of the effected products, btw.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:39 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

Tenor

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:40 AM

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@forest edge Not really a tinfoil hat thing. We have two major peripherals manufacturers actively producing shitty drivers that either reduce the security of your OS, or straight-up have a local system privilege escalation exploit built in...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:41 AM

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oh please

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what you posted required physical access

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stop leaving your computer on the sidewalk

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:41 AM

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I'm not worried about my computer at home with the Razer exploit, I'm worried about the client's my company manages IT for

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Some of which are schools with students who will be using this exploit on Monday

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:42 AM

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if there was never any issues, there would be no need to pay people to fix them

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:43 AM

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And I'm one of the people who gets paid to fix and/or mitigate them 😛

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:43 AM

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so stop complaining lmao

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:43 AM

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So get out of here with the tinfoil had stuff
cracks knuckles
Imma get paid for this shit. lol

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I have every right to complain, it's ultimately up to Razer and Logitech to fix their shit, and they need people bitching at them to get them to change

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All part of the job 😛

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In funnier news, Razer and Docker both read the same (wrong) stackoverflow article, and now you can't run both pieces of software at the same time until one of them fixes the bug:
https://twitter.com/foone/status/1229641258370355200?lang=en

foone (@Foone)

So I learned of an amusing bug today:

Docker for Windows won't run if you have the Razer Synapse driver management tool running.

But the reason is the funny part...

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forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:45 AM

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most the shit we enjoy comes from shit being hacked around

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:45 AM

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Once again glad I don't use anything that requires Synapse 2.0, because apparently installing it will kill Docker (and vice versa)

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:46 AM

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anything new dosen't use 2.0 anyways sooo...

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:46 AM

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3.0 is also fucked, so...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:46 AM

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not had any issues

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:46 AM

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All of the issues I listed apply to 3.0 as well. lol

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Forgets RGB settings the second you close the software, requires an account to use your mouse, etc.

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Their old mice (and keyboards) didn't have any of these problems

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:47 AM

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i guess it dosen't bother me enough to care

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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Bothers me that I tried to upgrade to a new Razer mouse and lost features that the old one had...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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i'd rather not have rgb at all personally

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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Not going to downgrade to their new crap

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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your just too picky

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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If I'm buying a $150 mouse, I'm allowed to be picky

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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besides don't they store the profiles on the device? don't use it but see it's there

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:48 AM

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My old Deathadder and Mamba from 2012 / 2013 work better than their modern equivalents

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@forest edge The old mice stored complete profiles on the mouse. The new mice store SOME (but not all) settings.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I will admit quality is not what it use to be.. but in regards to lighting? yea don't care lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:49 AM

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You'll find that your RGB settings, and some macros, don't work if their software isn't running on their new mice

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I care about the lighting because I don't want all my shit to turn into wild rainbows just beacuse I hit Winkey + L

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:50 AM

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afraid someone will think badly of you?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Which was an immediate problem when I tried their new hardware

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:50 AM

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mine turn off

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i don't have the lights going when i log out

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:51 AM

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I'm literally a pansexual trans woman wearing a Rocky Horrer Picture Show tanktop with a rainbow "Lips" logo... I'm very much not afraid of rainbows

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:51 AM

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then whats the issue

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:52 AM

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The issue is... I already explained... my old Razer mouse remembers its settings, the new ones all don't

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:52 AM

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mine turn off when i logout as i said above. just do the same?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:52 AM

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So my old mouse will stay lit blue, no matter what. The new mouse goes rainbow mode when I don't want it to, and it's "by design"

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So fuck 'em, not buying their new crap

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I also don't agree with their software requiring a user account to use your own mouse

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:53 AM

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maybe it's to prevent burn in one the cheap leds they use.. i dunno

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Their old software didn't require that

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:53 AM

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yea but the mouse does work without synapse

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atleast my baslisiks does

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Burn in hasn't been an issue, but my computer goes to sleep if left unattended for 30 minutes, which turns off all the LEDs

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It works, but goes all rainbows...

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It wouldn't be so bad if it could default to a solid color, rather than a rotating pattern

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But they took that away on the new mice and keyboards for some reason...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:54 AM

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maybe it was a choice between off and rainbow and they defaulted rainbow cause they figured only people who like rgb lighting buys a mouse that has it

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Feed us your data

Razor probably

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:54 AM

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The other issue I had with their new mice is PWM frequency. The LEDs were visibly flickery.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:54 AM

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which is ironic cause these days you can't really buy one without it lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:55 AM

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So even when I was logged in and had their software running, and had the mouse set to a solid color, it was still annoying because of the flicker in my peripheral vision

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:55 AM

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see, you are picky

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Not picky at all

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:56 AM

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your just going to complain about everything regardless lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:56 AM

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I don't want a strobe light in my hand

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Their old mice appear to use much higher PWM frequencies (or resistive dimming), and aren't flickery

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I have nothing to complain about with my old Razer Deathadder and old Razer Mamba 🤷‍♀️

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I'm only complaining because their new products are literally worse than their old ones

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:57 AM

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yea well, that is EVERYTHING

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everything gets worse

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we no longer live ina world where quality > quantity

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:58 AM

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I wouldn't say everything gets worse. I'm very happy with my choice of mechanical keyboard, and the v3 would be an improvement over my v2, if I wanted the new features it offers...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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please it's all junk compared to the old packard keyboards

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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https://www.wasdkeyboards.com/code-v3-104-key-mechanical-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown.html

CODE V3 104-Key Mechanical Keyboard - Cherry MX Brown

CODE V3 104-Key Backlit Mechanical Keyboard

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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the old ibm's

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all e-waste

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 5:59 AM

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This keyboard is Cherry MX switches (of your choice) mounted to a solid steel plate, which is about as quality as it gets

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:00 AM

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cept the cherry mx switches lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Though Unicomp still makes clones of those old IBM keyboards, with buckling-spring switches

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@forest edge I haven't found a switch I like much better than Cherry MX Clears 🤷‍♀️

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But if you gotta have buckling spring: https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/NEW_M

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:01 AM

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I am glad you do find something cause holy hell between your phone pickiness and peripheral pickiness I was afraid you would be a computer nerd stuck with nothing to use

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Unicomp bought the IP for the IBM Model M, along with the designs and molds

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So they're about as close as you'll get to a new Model M

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:02 AM

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forest edge I am glad you do find something cause holy hell between your phone pickiness and...

Excuse me for not liking two brands of peripherals...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:02 AM

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lol

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you don't have to ping me either, everyone else is silently avoiding this convo lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Wanted to make sure you knew exactly which line I was responding to

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The big issue I'm having with a lot of modern hardware is PWM frequency. I dunno why everyone is suddenly using slow PWM for dimming, but it's awful

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:05 AM

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subtle pasture Excuse me for not liking two brands of peripherals...

Just build your own

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:06 AM

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@glacial knot I literally did that...

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:06 AM

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qmk support mice as well

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Did you do a full custom design, or just custom build one out there?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:09 AM

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Custom built webcam 😛

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Raspberry Pi Zero with a HQ Camera Module an a C-Mount lens, running Show-me Webcam:
https://github.com/showmewebcam/showmewebcam

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:11 AM

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cute

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:12 AM

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I got tired of Logitech's webcam drivers A) Forgetting their settings every time I put my computer to sleep/rebooted, and B) preventing Windows "Memory Integrity" feature from being enabled

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Cute/functional. The image quality is worlds better than the Logitech C920 it replaced, and you can actually console-in to the camera and perma-save settings in firmware

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Why do you have such a fancy cam? Streamer?

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:12 AM

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subtle pasture I'm not worried about my computer at home with the Razer exploit, I'm worried ab...

Fair enough :D

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:13 AM

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@glacial knot I work from home, and my boss has an unhealthy obsession with seeing people on webcam when he calls them

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:13 AM

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why do you use windows sleep feature?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:13 AM

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So I'm on camera for work, a lot

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@forest edge Strictly speaking, sleep mode is an ACPI feature that Windows is compatible with

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But I use sleep mode because... why not?

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:14 AM

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forest edge why do you use windows sleep feature?

Computers get tired too, you know

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:14 AM

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subtle pasture <@!232859383086710789> I work from home, and my boss has an unhealthy obsession ...

same. But my old Logitech C510 is still far more than enough for that 😂
And one of the best cams we have in our conferences usually

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:14 AM

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sounds like most of your issues are from that one thing you could just stop using lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:14 AM

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Sleep mode resumes basically instantly, so if I happen to walk away for 4 hours, the computer might as well sleep

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:14 AM

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forest edge sounds like most of your issues are from that one thing you could just stop usin...

Yes, windows

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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forest edge sounds like most of your issues are from that one thing you could just stop usin...

Again, a logitech webcam or Razer mouse shouldn't mean I can't use sleep mode...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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but using sleep mode is pointless..

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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last cedar Yes, windows

The situation is worse on Linux. You have to take your Razer mouse to a Windows computer to turn off the RGB. lol

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@forest edge Letting the computer idle without going to sleep is pointless...

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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I love how Sonoma manages to be wrong about every tech thing he has an opinion about 😂

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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yea.. wrong..

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why did i unblock him?

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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I don't know?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Dude, you're literally in here defending mega-corporations' shitty driers 😂

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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defending?

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no

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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And claiming sleep is useless

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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forest edge why did i unblock him?

Who did you have blocked? O.o

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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me

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:16 AM

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xD

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Because I wasn't too friendly when he failed reading what I said for 10 or so messages and tried to be a smart ass

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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you hung yourself

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as you keep doing

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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What?

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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Lol

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https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-pet-collective-yummy-popcorn-raccoon-gif-16894090

Tenor

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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anyways not going down that rabbit hole

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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last cedar https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-pet-collective-yummy-popcorn-raccoon-gif-16894...

You have popcorn? 😮

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Aww, no Racoon stickers yet

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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glacial knot You have popcorn? 😮

I need popcorn when you start fighting

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Are stickers server specific?

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:19 AM

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2 c's Leapo

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I didn't think there were any gifs for a long time either

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:19 AM

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How would there not be racoon gifs?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Adding the second "c" doesn't improve the search results. lol

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:19 AM

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Nope

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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glacial knot How would there not be racoon gifs?

Because it is raCCoon :)

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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giphy search doesn't care

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https://giphy.com/gifs/high-five-bro-12vP3dyG40ttqE

Giphy

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/south-park-dark-seriously-gif-9708462

Tenor

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Wait, wrong raccoon...

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:20 AM

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subtle pasture Wait, wrong raccoon...

You mean, wrong framerate?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Pretty sure it's a slideshow. lol

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:21 AM

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I don't think discord has powerpoint integration 😂

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Really low-quality gif, though. The aspect ratio changes between every frame

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:22 AM

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it just looks like every frame got different transformations applied to me

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and none of them look ratio preserved

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Still sweet though, because, raccoon

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Raccoon sweet&sour?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:26 AM

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subtle pasture So I'm on camera for work, a lot

I'm honestly shocked nobody bit on that. I just now realized how exploitable that wording was. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:27 AM

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convo was promplty killed too quick before anyone could get the chance

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 6:39 AM

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subtle pasture I'm honestly shocked nobody bit on that. I just now realized how exploitable tha...

Because we all like you

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Nothing wrong with "being on camera whilst working"

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Regardless of the work, as long as it is legal and not forced

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:46 AM

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i dunno, onlyfans is changing their ways.. may not be as lucrative anymore

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:48 AM

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The OnlyFans thing really sucks for content creators. There are a large number of people who are probably about to get their paid content ripped and posted elsewhere for free

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It was already happening, but this is just gonna send people into overdrive trying to save content before it's gone

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:49 AM

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meh

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I feel nothing for those people

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:50 AM

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That's pretty heartless, ngl...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:51 AM

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meh, the internet has brought on this wave of "get rich while doing nothing" and it's sad

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:51 AM

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I wouldn't call OnlyFans "doing nothing"...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:51 AM

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you think taking your shirt off is hard work?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:52 AM

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I don't think you realize how much work can be involved in a professional quality shoot...

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Especially if it's just one person manning the entire operation

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:52 AM

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oh please

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:52 AM

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Lighting, sound, camera equipment, editing software, the computer needed to render out the videos... it's legit a full-time job for some people

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:52 AM

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a couple of decades ago I could maybe sympathize with the one man crew plea, but today noway

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most of those people who actually make any money.. all that crap like artworks etc is donated to them

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they literally only need to do is wake up and turn on the webcam

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:54 AM

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That's not the experience I've witnessed, and I've had both roomates and partners who did streaming / OnlyFans / related services

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:55 AM

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I respect people who actually do that stuff to "teach" others.. that is a service, however it's still no work

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anything that is porn related don't even mention lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:56 AM

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I don't understand how anyone can look at that these top content creators and not see it as work...

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It's often their full-time job

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:56 AM

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because they rememeber when "real" work use to be a thing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Might as well say movie actors aren't doing real work

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:57 AM

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well some do say that lol

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same with rock stars etc

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:57 AM

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They generally don't even do their own sets, lighting, editing, etc.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:58 AM

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the biggest issue is the ratio inbalance

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for every 1 person who might actually be trying to accomplish something, there are 2 million others only wanting to make money by doing nothing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 6:58 AM

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If you do nothing, you're not going to make very much money with your OnlyFans content. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 6:59 AM

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depends.. looks is all you need

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no shortage of virgins out there

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got breasts? get paid!

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:01 AM

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It's really not that simple man, I've seen it from the inside

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:01 AM

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at least strippers have to drive somewhere

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Strippers also don't do their own cameras, lighting, sets, or editing 😛

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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yea but they also do actual work

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they sweat, they have to fend off the hands etc

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lapdances etc etc

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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Filming, lighting, set design, and editing are all jobs you know...

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Even if you don't think the acting is legit

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:02 AM

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yea all automated these days

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so they have to buy some lights, that is chump change

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Uh, no... you can't just push a button and get good lighting

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It takes actual knowledge, and some experience

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:03 AM

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please if we're talking about the sex crap as long as it's not pitch black they make bank lol

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hell some of the clips i've seen in videos show that shit almost pitch black lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:04 AM

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I didn't say everyone takes it seriously, but there are plenty of people that DO take it seriously

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And it can be an 8+ hour a day job to keep the content train rolling well enough to get a livable income

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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8 hours at home with as many breaks as you need

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Are the people who are busting their asses 40 hours a week "not doing real work"?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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forest edge 8 hours at home with as many breaks as you need

I work in IT and I get that. Am I not doing real work?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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I can't remember that youtube girls name that jamie? jansom? I don't remember, made like millions and she was part of that tax thing when they finally cracked down on taxing that kind of work.. bitched up a whole storm etc

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I mean come on

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in the start some chick with a nice rack got infront of a camera.. some dweebs donated money and presto a booming buisness of people wanting money for nothing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Then apparently I'm in the wrong line of work

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:07 AM

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if you got a nice rack, you might just be lol

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but it is not real work

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:08 AM

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HRT was kind, but I've seen what sex workers go through. I'll stick with IT / automation / netsec

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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you talking about pornstars? cause there are actual pornstars then there is that shit on only fans

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the two are not the same

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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No, I'm talking about the kind of people who do cam sites and OnlyFans pages. I'd consider what many of them do to be "real work"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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well your young enough to see it that way

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I don't

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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They put in time, effort, and knowhow. They invested their own money to get started. They created content, and sold it. That's a job

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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cause I was alive before that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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You were alive before sex work? How many thousands of years old are you?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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before internet

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for a long time people didn't see IT jobs as real work either. stuff like cubical data entry and anything else use to be a joke at one point.. just fyi

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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I'm well aware. The first company I worked for didn't value the IT department at all...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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it became real work when people started developing medical conditions from it me thinks

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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They eventually laid us all off, and hired an MSP to do their IT for them

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I work at that MSP 😄

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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well to be fair, IT these days is easier than it use to be as well

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Gotta love being back in charge of your old network, but making 4x more money while doing it

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Are easy things not work? o.0

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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I'm getting the sense that's what he thinks, as well... though I'd argue that doing a decent shoot for OnlyFans isn't easy

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Again, I've seen the process on multiple occasions

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There are some people that literally have to do their own prosthetic makeup for their OnlyFans pages for fantasy stuff

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:14 AM

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as a said, you are young. without experincing hard work to have something to compare against it's easy to get confused

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:14 AM

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I'm not confused. That shit is work. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:15 AM

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you probably think uber eats driver and door dash is work too lol

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:15 AM

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but yea, it's closer to entrepreneur ship or what htey call it these days. Not salary work

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:15 AM

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I would consider a "delivery driver" to be a job, yes

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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it's not

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it IS obviously, but it's not work

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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I guess all the people doing pizza delivery get unemployment, then!

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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😂

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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it's money for nothing as i said 😉

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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Sucks to be those Amazon employees who are so overworked doing delivers that they have to shit in bags on-route...

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They're not doing "real work", just being delivery drivers and all...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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that is slightly diffrent

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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They're running delivers all day, same as an uber eats driver...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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they are being paid for more than just mere driving

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it is not the same lol

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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add truckers to the list on unemployment

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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not by a long shot, i dare you to compare one another to thier face lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Yeah, the Uber drivers aren't under as much stress, but being stressed the fuck out does not a job make

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They're both delivering goods from one location to another

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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not in the same fashion, no

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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mostly just driving. And since that's your pick /shrug

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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They both get an air conditioned cab to ride around in all day. I'm not seeing much difference aside from the Amazon delivery person gets a larger load of parcels at one time than the Uber Eats delivery driver, and the Amazon driver is under more pressure from corporate to be timely.

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:20 AM

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Truck cabs are even super comfortable

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Truck cabs often have sleeper compartments. lol

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The Amazon ones don't, but long-haul trucks do

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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so you are comparing someone having to lift 50lbs+ to someone who has to lift 1lbs+?

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Not just the sleeper compartment. Also the seats

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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@forest edge Most of the job is driving, not lifting

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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They got an additional set of (air) bumpers to make driving really fucking comfy

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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oh is it?

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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Yes

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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something tells me you don't really have a clue lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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I know multiple people who have worked at Amazon...

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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The heavy lifting is done by machines and workers at the loading sites
While truckers do help out when required, it's not their job

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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They've all quit now, because the company sucks to work for. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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yea well, that is besides the point

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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You have a very strange definition of what constitutes work, is all I'm saying. Multiple things that have people busy providing goods and/or services for 40+ hours a week, you don't seem to consider "work"

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I don't know how to bridge that divide, man

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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also very weird ideas of what people do D:

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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money for nothing and your chicks for free.. there is a song about it

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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They're not doing nothing, though...

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If they did nothing, they wouldn't get paid...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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but nothing is a term that is being stretched lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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You're the one stretching it

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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what is nothing one day is something the next

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not me

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:25 AM

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You seem to have a very high bar for what constitutes "something"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:25 AM

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it's just happening all over

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lol high bar.. that is the sad part

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that my bar is high to you

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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Your bar is so high that it sounds like you don't consider my current job "real work"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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some don't

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you said yourself

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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subtle pasture Your bar is so high that it sounds like you don't consider my current job "real ...

Or mine for what it's worth 😂 I just talk all day

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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subtle pasture The Amazon ones don't, but long-haul trucks do

The amazon drivers would sleep if they did. Can't be having that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Yeah, screw right off with that. I'm over here trying to mitigate PrintNightmare and PotitPotam across 3000 endpoints without breaking 3000 endpoints. I'll take my paycheck with a side of Whiskey to deal with the stress...

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Are you doing something better than our IT? They just disabled printing on the entire windows fleet 😂

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And it breaks part of HR processes....

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:27 AM

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lol whiskey

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imagine doing all of that, but not being able to do it from home. having to go to multiple sites every single day and not being reinbursed for gas or wear and tear on your vehicles

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:29 AM

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@glacial knot We disabled the print spooler on all Windows servers, and then pushed out Point and Print restrictions via group policy that A) kill the print spooler's RPC listener, B) enables Point and Print restrictions to require admin creds to install printers drivers, and C) restricts trusted Point and Print servers to a predefined list. We also ditched Windows as a print server, and moved everythign over to RedHat running CUPS and Samba.

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We're pretty safe from PrintNightmare with that configuration. The attack surface is now tiny, and requires multiple other breaches to exploit

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Sounds about right

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Can you still print to PDF from a windows machine?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Yeah

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:32 AM

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forest edge imagine doing all of that, but not being able to do it from home. having to go t...

Are you saying we shouldn't have invented the technology required to perform those jobs remotely? The same person can now manage MANY more sites and services, rather than wasting all that time driving around.

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The job has gotten easier, but all that means is that the same number of employees do a fuck-ton more work

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:32 AM

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I am saying your view of what work is, is limited to what you have only been able to see

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:33 AM

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My view of what work is appears to be broader and less-limited than yours...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:33 AM

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people before you, have every right to critize what the definition of what "work" is

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since this was about onlyfans and not your job

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onlyfans is not work

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period

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:33 AM

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Yeah, but your bar was so high that things well beyond OnlyFans came into question

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OnlyFans can absolutely be work. Period.

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See, I can make blanket statements too! 😄

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:33 AM

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my bar is not high, that's the issue

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your bar is just lowered

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:34 AM

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@subtle pasture btw. do you see why I'm so bothered to be blocked? 😄

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:34 AM

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@glacial knot Lol, yeah, well

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:34 AM

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before long you will call walking through walmart to buy something as "work"

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:35 AM

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forest edge your bar is just lowered

If it's not work, why does it require time and effort, and result in payment?

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That's basically the definition of work...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:35 AM

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because other people became lazy?

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that's why

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you think door dash would exsist if people weren't lazy?

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how about amazon itself

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:35 AM

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@subtle pasture have you ever slapped someone with a dictionary? 😂

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:36 AM

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forest edge you think door dash would exsist if people weren't lazy?

Food delivery services are actually critical for allowing older people to remain autonomous, in addition to being a major asset during the pandemic.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:36 AM

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you complained earlier about the quality of razer products.. how do you think that became to be?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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You about to tell me that the people writing code at Razer aren't doing work?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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oh please lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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No, are you? lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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there were old people long before delievery services lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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yeah, and they lost autonomy a lot earlier

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:37 AM

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actually look at older japanese people

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very mobile

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:38 AM

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old people used to live in with their younglings

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:38 AM

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Japan has literally had to invent powered exoskeletons for helping nurses cart around the elderly in hospitals...

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Guess those nurses are lazy and should hit the gym...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:38 AM

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well japanese nurses are kind of petite

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just sayin..

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:39 AM

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Doesn't mean they can't get buff

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:39 AM

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Ahh, so it's ok to use tech when it helps being lazy? That's news

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:39 AM

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they can get buff but that's a personal choice

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:39 AM

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Of course, Japan also has a looming labor shortage

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:40 AM

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our history is a long list of shit getting worse.. quality is going down all over

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it's just fact

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so why should "work" be any diffrent

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:41 AM

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And yet I can always seem to find or make something that will work and last 🤷‍♀️

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Something going to shit is an opportunity for a competitor to one-up them

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:41 AM

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oh i'm sure, but your thing after 100 years has tape around it

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:41 AM

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Consumers will tend to migrate to the better product

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And the cycle repeats

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:41 AM

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this day and age consumers don't dictate shit lol

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we are force fed what they think we should have

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:42 AM

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subtle pasture And the cycle repeats

wait, wait. Why do you talk about the basic fucking principle behind most of capitalism?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:42 AM

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This guy gets it ^

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:42 AM

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why you saying i get it now?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Not that I like capitalism, far from it

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@forest edge I was pointing at @glacial knot

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:43 AM

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oh

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:43 AM

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@glacial knot I think Sonoma blocked you again

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:43 AM

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I know

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:44 AM

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anyways, you'll see what I mean when you get older and what you constitute as "work" now is degraded

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:44 AM

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You should get yourself blocked as well. Saves on some confused messages

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:44 AM

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@forest edge How much older we talking? lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:44 AM

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dunno, the shit is moving fast with covid lol

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Covid affected how we see work? o.0 if anything, it opoened it up more 😂

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:45 AM

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I've heard the same rhetoric from older conservatives before. So far, all getting older has done is turned me into more of an anti-capitalist / leftist / socialist

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:46 AM

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you've heard the term history repeats itself?

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:46 AM

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The world getting shittier in the current system does help being more against it 😮

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:47 AM

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@forest edge Yup, we're about overdue to another economic depression

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:48 AM

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meh, people often misunderstand what "history" it's refering. I think of it not just being one kind of thing but it being lots of things.. like the old days of Snake Oil salesman lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:48 AM

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And what constitutes "work" is going to have to evolve, because individual jobs, and entire industries, become obsolete over time.

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That's why we had programs for teaching computer programming to former coal miners. Their entire industry (at least in the US, anyway) is going away rapidly.

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Wait what? you have actual programs that are instances of "just learn to code!"?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Teaching obsolete professions new skills is not the same thing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Fast food restaurants are testing out fully automated ordering / cooking / food assembly. Flipping burgers at McDonalds might soon just... not be a thing humans do anymore.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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yea and why is that

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what would inspire a company to replace human workers i wonder

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:52 AM

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forest edge Teaching obsolete professions new skills is not the same thing

I mean, it seems to be they'd be moving from something that, by your definition "is work", to something that is, also by your definition "not work"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:52 AM

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i never said everything that has anything to do with computers is "not work"

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not once did i say that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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forest edge what would inspire a company to replace human workers i wonder

Capitalist greed, mostly. One less employee to pay, provide benefits for, etc.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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money for nothing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Cooking food isn't nothing...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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apparently it is if a robot can do it

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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That still doesn't make it nothing

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A robot can assemble a circuit board. We still pay a human for doing the same thing.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:54 AM

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mcdonalds wants money for nothing

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it's like a driving force

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and it it isn't new

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it's just worse now

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the internet has made it worse

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sorry, but it did

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:55 AM

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See, now we're getting somewhere. I fully agree that top-execs and CEOs are making waaaay too much money for the work they put in. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:55 AM

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but that ideal, that drive is not limited to top execs

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it's in our kids as well lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:56 AM

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The people doing the actual work, at the bottom, are making so much less than the people at the top, who rarely even push papers. It's not even funny

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Seize the means of production, friends!

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:56 AM

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and just think that "work" you speak of is a whole lot easier these days then it use to be

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see where this going..

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Not really, no

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 7:57 AM

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you will

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it's unescapable lol

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history repeats itself lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Probably not. I see the people working the floor as more deserving of pay than those at the top

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They certainly do more "real work"

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What exactly do you want me to see there?

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We're living in a version of the United States that can be aptly labeled "Trickle-down economics: A cautionary tale"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:00 AM

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that won't ever change

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always has to be someone on the bottom

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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I dunno, a universal basic income, paid for by a steeply progressive tax rate for businesses, would be an interesting way to flip the script

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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even in that film idiocracy where the world literally turned stupid there was hierarchy

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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We're allowed to strive for a world better than Idiocracy, you know...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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sure, hope is the best driving force

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without it we'd be in pretty bad shape now lol

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hope is something else most loose after a certian age

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just for ya to have something to look forward too

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Dude, I'm a millennial. I ran out of hope when I got out of college and realized literally everything I'd been told about how a life and career was supposed to go was either an outright lie, and/or impossible under current socio-economic conditions 😂

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:15 AM

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yup

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Gotta love having a degree in a field I probably won't ever work in now. c'est la vie

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:16 AM

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prob not as much as the money and time wasted to get that

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but hey, this is your future to look forward too lol https://youtu.be/AZeyHTJfi_E

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subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:17 AM

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See, I wouldn't call it wasted. I learned a ton in college, especially in elective courses that i took just because I was interested in the subject

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:17 AM

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a light and dark side

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:17 AM

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It was only wasted if you believed the degree was only there to get you a job

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Turns out, degrees aren't worth nearly as much in the job market these days 🤷‍♀️

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:18 AM

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spending money to learn something for a hobby, for fun is one thing

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hell i took guitar lessons when i was a kid

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:19 AM

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I took bowling for PE credits in college. lol

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:19 AM

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@subtle pasture what degree do you have?

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:19 AM

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@glacial knot AS in computer graphics

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Ahh

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And no jobs available that need it? That's a surprise to me

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:20 AM

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Turns out it's a terrible field to get into these days... dodged a bullet by going into IT

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:21 AM

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oh wow. that must be some mean bullet, if IT is better D:

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:23 AM

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It's one of those fields where you either land a job at the top, where you can actually be a creative force (to some degree), or you're down in the salt mines modeling / animating someone else's vision.

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The larger the studio, the worse it gets

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:25 AM

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so it's more on the creative, less the "build an engine" type of graphics?

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Then I get it

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:27 AM

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Not sure in what context you're asking, lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:28 AM

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at least you went to college, although your generation is one of the more singled out ones being blamed for some of the problems lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:28 AM

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Yeah, well, at least we get to warn Zoomers right out the gate not to have any hope 😛

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:29 AM

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the irony is, you can't really see the whole picture to actually fix anything within your lifetime either

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to be fair, i think it's like that for all of us tho

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:29 AM

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subtle pasture Not sure in what context you're asking, lol

I mapped computer graphics to low level GPU programing and the development side of applications
But your "issue" with the field sounds like it's more of the user side, where output isn't applications, but actual art/content

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:29 AM

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we always grow too old before we know what to do

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 AM

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@glacial knot Ah, sorry. The kind of computer graphics I learned was more in the content-creation side of things, not the architecture or tool design

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 AM

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you wanted to make animated movies?

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 AM

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yea. And then I do see why it's hard to get good jobs that allow for a nice work evnironment

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 AM

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@forest edge Or videogames 🤷‍♀️

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 AM

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yea both of those are horrible at this time

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:31 AM

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e'yup...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:31 AM

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although there is a surge of one person video game creators cropping up..

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one person doing everything from scratch to finish

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:31 AM

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At least I occasionally get to flex my graphics skills when we need some logos / business cards / web design done 😛

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:32 AM

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I entertained the whole website design with artwork when i was younger, was a hobby so it was ok even tho at that time it could have been a very luctrative carreer for me lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:33 AM

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And I've put a lot of the 3D modeling experience I gained towards CAD, thanks to getting into 3D printers

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:33 AM

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there wasn't shit like squarespace or whatever it's called then

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when someone wanted a website they either hired someone like me or learned to do it themselves.. no other options lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:34 AM

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Early to mid 90's, was it?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:34 AM

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90's? this was 80's

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I am before internet, I got to see it all

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:35 AM

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HTML didn't exist until 1993, so wtf "websites" were you designing?

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That predates web-1.0

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:36 AM

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for some reason the term escaped my brain.. they were forum boards

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they had a specific nbame

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Oh, BBS

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:36 AM

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for some reason I can't remember what that was

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they were not like forum boards you think of today

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mostly just pure text

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however they did have logos

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:37 AM

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I'm aware of what dial-up BBSs are. I ran one for a while 😛

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:37 AM

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i don't think bulliten board was the name

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why can't i remember this

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i dunno, they were basic

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hell the service we used to connect was indian named like pony express

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:38 AM

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Dial-in, get a ASCII interface, browse boards in your terminal emulator, etc

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You sure you're not thinking of a BBS?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:38 AM

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it's been so long

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:38 AM

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Or were you connected to Usenet / newgroups?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:39 AM

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I have been part of the internet designing and doing artwork since the start

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I remember the flash phase because of the pain it was

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I remember still using notepad when others migrated to shit like dreamworks

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but some stuff I just can't remember anymore

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they had a specific name I don't think it was bulletin boards, but maybe it was. i am sure a search would tell

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:40 AM

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I was born in 1990, so Flash was becoming "a thing" when I was about 6 years old. lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:41 AM

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flash was a nightmare

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:41 AM

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Still is...

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ActiveX and Java applets are a nightmare too

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:41 AM

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it was cool cause it animated just like how shit animates today which was a big thing, was interactable and everything

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but coding for it

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omfg

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and the compatiablty nightmare

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headaches galore

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:42 AM

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The bigger issue is it allowed you to execute arbitrary code outside of the browser, on the host system

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:42 AM

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there wasn't easy fall back methods like there is today

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:42 AM

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Flash, Java, and ActiveX are all security nightmares

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:43 AM

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JS was a nightmare too, so much I didn't really touch it

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infact it was frowned upon to even use for a big chunk

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:43 AM

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javascript is fine, it's loading full Java Runtime Applets through a browser that's the problem

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javascript lives entirely within the browser

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:43 AM

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it was resource hog and memory leaks galore

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:43 AM

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That's more on the browser than the code itself

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Javascript engines are lightning fast now, running ostensibly the same code

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:44 AM

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it was more of something brand new and still in the lets figure out how to make this shit work phase lol

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when i had worked for gateway they had a teacher or sorts that was trying to "teach" new people to computers how to operate them.. a whole pitch to try and sell more computers

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he actually liked JS

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and at that time the ability to take an image and animate it like it had moving water was really neat

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oh and running windows 3.1 from a floppy..that was neat

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my brain has too much shit stored in it

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lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:47 AM

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forest edge and at that time the ability to take an image and animate it like it had moving ...

heh, don't need Flash for that. People were doing that trick in the 80's with clever use of pallet shifting

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:47 AM

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that wasn't flash, that was pure js

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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You also wouldn't need js for that, because the ability to do animated water predates js

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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uh

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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a single-frame GIF with a rotating pallet can do animated water

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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that wasn't a thing

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/rain-nature-tree-animated-forest-gif-5685966

Tenor

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:48 AM

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there was shit you used and shit people experimented with

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that wasn't a thing, gifs were bad

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they were used, but they were bad

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:49 AM

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They were only bad if you didn't make them carefully, because they're uncompressed bitmaps

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:49 AM

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see this is where you age starts to show through

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:49 AM

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A single-frame GIF with a rotating color pallet is tiny, and animated

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:50 AM

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you see this stuff with all this current knowledge in hand

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that didn't exsists

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:50 AM

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My age? This is shit we did because the alternatives didn't exist yet

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gifs have been around since 1987

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javascript didn't exist until 1995, and Flash (as we know it) didn't exist until 1996

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Pallet shifting is what you did in the 80's because it's easy and not at all resource intensive

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:52 AM

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i don't remember doing that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Probably because it was more-often used in PC and console video games than in web design... given that HTML web pages, where you could embed a GIF, wouldn't exist for 5+ years

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Animated ASCII art is probably the best you got on an 80's "website"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:55 AM

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I remember making gifs, just don't remember using them for the water effects

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:55 AM

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Though I imagine that was often avoided, as loading such a thing over a 600 baud modem would be time consuming

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:55 AM

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there was no animation on those boards lol

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it took like 2 minutes to load a single image that was bigger than 100px

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but that was the old shit

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:56 AM

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Hmm, you could absolutely do animated ASCII art in the 80's on BBS systems

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:56 AM

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don't remember there being any animation

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:57 AM

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There were BBS-hosted "videogames" that could draw simple graphics and user interfaces in your terminal emulator

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:57 AM

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not sure what your talking about, but what I am refering to was a single banner a thin one at that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:57 AM

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I'm talking about BBS systems, mostly

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All text / ascii characters, in a terminal

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:58 AM

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your talking text based? like zork?

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I didn't do anything with videogames

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:58 AM

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That was one possibility, though some went as far as to do ASCII art images

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:58 AM

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that kind of stuff was not possible to do on a website if you even call them that

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games could do it

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 8:59 AM

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Apparently it was if BBSs were doing it...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:00 AM

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I cannot remember when "animation" of any kind was possible, that transition in my mind a next day type of thing lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-forgotten-world-of-bbs-door-games

PCMAG

The Forgotten World of BBS Door Games

Explore what online gaming looked like in the early 1990s, aka Bulletin Board Systems.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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I certianly do not remember any animation of any kind during those days of the text base sites

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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Omg, I almost forgot about Trade Wars 😮

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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yea see, that shit is like atari

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that wasn't on pc cept in games

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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Those are all technically "websites", or as close as you could get in 1985

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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in the 70's it existed on games but not on sites

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:01 AM

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None of that was running locally, it was running on a remote server, and you were viewing it remotely via terminal

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:02 AM

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altho I wouldn't call them sites, they were specifica addresses lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:03 AM

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I mean, we're talking about the pre-HTML internet. What constitutes a "website" in the 1980's is fuzzy at best

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:03 AM

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my first memory was there was only 3 you could access

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and they were loaded with so much random shit

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it was hard to thumb through it all to find anything specific

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just random shit

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yet ironical;ly i remember porn being there lol

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go figure right

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I made images for those banners sometime in 80's

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then I remember html coming about

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I remember spending countless hours in notepad

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building entire sites in notepad

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I remember when shit like dreamworks came out and people were using that

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but I still used notepad cause it was what I was use to

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I remember getting into animated artwork, gifs, and flash

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I didn't touch js

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so there are blocks missing

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but no animation during the begining of any kind

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:09 AM

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Weird, guess you missed the boat on that, because there were options

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:12 AM

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nah

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you gotta remember, that shit was not exactly wide spread accesable

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atleast not here in the midwest

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I considered myself lucky cause my aunt was in a position to have these things for me to get into

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:13 AM

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BBS systems, which did have animated graphics in the 80's, were super wide-spread and accessible...

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Just sounds like you didn't mess with those much

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:13 AM

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talking as if you were alive are you?

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don't take everything you read in blogs at face value

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:13 AM

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No, talking as if I've actually done a fair bit of research, and run one of these systems...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:14 AM

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run one these systems after they were obsolete

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:14 AM

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I did mention earlier that I'd set up an old-school BBS to play with

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Ooooh yeah, it was very obsolete by the time I was playing with it. Still fun to lean some computer history, though.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:14 AM

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as i said, what people write about today dosen't reflect what was actually like then

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:14 AM

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If I had the room for it, I'd have a few more classic computers about

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So the entire internet is just wrong about BBS door games existing when they say they did? Right...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:16 AM

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to put things in perspective, mono's parents or grandparents prob had better access to shit then I did during those years

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when I first dove into it there was 3 sites to visit, all the same cept they had diffrent logos and banners

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that was it lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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I'm assuming these were ASCII art banners, given there wasn't really a way to display bitmapped graphics in a terminal back then

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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there was color and imaginery

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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You aren't thinking of IRC, are you?

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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it wasn't moving chat no

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:19 AM

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I'd consider ASCII art an "image", but it's not a bitmapped graphic

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:19 AM

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they had a name told you i can't think what it was

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do not think it was BBS

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but again, who the hell knows

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i wouldn't consider that an image

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so there, we are on seperate wave paths already

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:20 AM

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Well, you wouldn't be doing any other kind of image in a terminal at that point in time

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:20 AM

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it wasn't terminal

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I didn't do this shit during the years of apple lol

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:21 AM

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Well this was before HTML existed, so you weren't in a web browser. What app were you in? lol

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:21 AM

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it wasn't an ap

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it was a browser

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pony express keeps popping in my head. look that up

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Browsers didn't really exist until the early 90's...

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because HTML didn't exist until the early 90's

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:22 AM

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the damn provider had a indian kind of name, like the days of cowboys and indians

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maybe it was military then

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can't be the provider couldn't be military

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my aunt is still alive, i'm going to see if she remember the name

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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Pony Express appears to be a very old email client

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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was it a provider as well?

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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forest edge to put things in perspective, mono's parents or grandparents prob had better acc...

I don't think my grandparents have ever used a computer. Maybe not even a smartphone. My parents barely know how to use Facebook 😂

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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PC's were more wide spread there before they were here

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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Think my family got their first PC in about '98 so I could do school work.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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I remember going from an apple to a an ibm, schools i think had apple 2's or the first macs.. whatever the square thing was

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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They weren't that common. I had one neighbour with a couple of Commodores before that.

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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yea commodores, i keep forgetting about those

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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Commodore Amiga's are what I grew up on 🤷‍♀️

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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prior to the apple, it was atari and before that was a pong machine lol

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all it did was do pong on a tv

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i wish i had kept that

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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And "pong machine" is an apt description, because it was handled entirely using chip logic

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No code, no firmware

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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wasn't the nes that way

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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Nah, the NES runs code. Most NES games are written in 6502 Assembly

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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oh thats right

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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There is a port of C for the NES, as well

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:31 AM

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but back on topic, there was probably shit that "existed" but there wasn't google back then, all forms of "search" literally sucked

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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search wasn't a thing, it was all about webrings

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Sites that would have links to a list of other sites within the same "ring"

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

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everything was a resource hog so when designing for site you had to be picky as hell

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some shit like js was just worse than others

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hell too many gifs on a single page would lock up everyone pc

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

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I mean, if we're still talking about the 80's, js didn't exist yet

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gifs did, though xD

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

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forest edge hell too many gifs on a single page would lock up everyone pc

Hamster dance!

subtle pasture Aug 22, 2021, 9:34 AM

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This ^

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 9:34 AM

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was talking about my memory of what was available for animation in the begining

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the very first water thing i saw was suing js

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that teacher had showed me that

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i didn't care for js, didn't learn it so for me to recreate that at that point in time was using flash. prior to that I didn't use gif cause it was complete shit

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these blogs don't really talk about the detail stuff of how it was

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we had to skirt around cause everyone wanted ooohhh's and ahhhh's but they also didn't want thier viewers pc's to crash

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and believe me, back then. a lot of shit would cause the pc to crash

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not just the browser, the whole machine would lock up forcing a hard reset

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coding in everything was shit lol

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even linux backj then sucked, or should i say unix

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hate to say it but come to think of it, i think my apple computer was the most reliable thing i had for a chunk of time there lol

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I don't remember one time having issues when using it

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i remember the macs being shit in school

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 10:26 AM

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now see this isn't ok with me. i search something on google on my PC and then get a thing on my phone asking me to rate what I searched. I know they are spying on me and this is the first time this has popped up in god only knows how many searchs I do but it still makes me feel unsafe, like i need a security blanket unsafe

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oh good there was an option to turn it off. crsis adverted

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

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I heard those surveys only come up when you search for something really obscure like midget throwing, as a way to refine their algorithms on less common searches.

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Not going to ask what you searched for...

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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I was looking up which animation company did the family guy simpson crossover episode

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Sure you were

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

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ok you got me, i was searching for this https://www.amazon.com/Cat-Meow-T-shirt-Funny-Monocle/dp/B07L4HJC7L

Cat Meow T-shirt: Funny Cat Monocle Top Hat Shirt

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Steak time

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 11:19 AM

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those rooburgers?

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 11:19 AM

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Beef

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 12:52 PM

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Moo

glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 1:09 PM

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Yum

hushed basalt Aug 22, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Wife said it was a bit too rare

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https://c.tenor.com/hUhJ_ZG-Ve8AAAAM/sacrilege-imperius.gif

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Your wife has appalling taste.

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That looks like it's cooked to perfection.

hearty depot Aug 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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glacial knot Aug 22, 2021, 5:26 PM

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Ahh, a gpu with a cpu daughter board

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Removed some wood panel today...

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Part way rewired. Maybe 1/4 to 1/3 done

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 7:41 PM

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last cedar Removed some wood panel today...

'Some'

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Yes

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The whole cellar looked like a bastu

deft pewter Aug 22, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Some people like that aesthetic 🤷‍♂️

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Poor quality pic but you get the idea

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Having organic material against outside wall is a bad no no too, not that they cared

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Plastic, then insulation then panel on that wall

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Will be fun to see how it looks behind

hearty depot Aug 22, 2021, 7:49 PM

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What country youre from anyway?

last cedar Aug 22, 2021, 7:50 PM

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From Britian, but live in Sweden

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:23 PM

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Google calendar notification dashboard thing

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:28 PM

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what are you using to mosaic those camera feeds?

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:29 PM

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forest edge what are you using to mosaic those camera feeds?

I'm using OBS

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 PM

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ah, man I wish there was a simple application that would do just that without having to use something like obs

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:30 PM

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forest edge ah, man I wish there was a simple application that would do just that without ha...

Yeah it's possible to do it in VLC, but I ran into issues

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OBS has been the option so far, I mean it's still pretty simple imo

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And you got a ton more possibilities

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:31 PM

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my understanding is you have to have real horsepower to use either

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:31 PM

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VLC required a ton of resources, but OBS doesn't really

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I do have an i9-10850k and RTX 3090, but I'm sure you could get away with much less

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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i dunno, it's already eating a chunk lol

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:33 PM

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forest edge i dunno, it's already eating a chunk lol

Well it's worth it for me lol, and if I wanna do something intensive I can just close it

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:33 PM

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how many camera feeds do you have?

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:33 PM

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7 right now

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4k feeds

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forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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whats your delay?

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lol

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:39 PM

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forest edge whats your delay?

Maybe like 1 or 2 seconds

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:39 PM

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and using a stream deck to control it.. fancy fancy lol

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:40 PM

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forest edge and using a stream deck to control it.. fancy fancy lol

Yeah that idea popped into my head and I had to do it. Otherwise you gotta minimize OBS and click on the scenes you want

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I'm trying to live in 2030 here and that's not the way 😁

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:41 PM

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lol

mystic kraken Aug 22, 2021, 8:42 PM

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forest edge lol

If you can any ideas, I'd love to implement them

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I also have it automatically play the local news when it's on

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forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 8:45 PM

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I think you got it pretty well covered lol

cunning orbit Aug 22, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Anyone have experience installing Opengarage? I'm having issues with one of the two I've installed constantly triggering the garage door even when the Opengarage isnt powered on

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It's as if the two button contacts in the open garage are shorted together, but when I test it with a multimeter, they're not shorted together

forest edge Aug 22, 2021, 11:01 PM

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@cunning orbitwould be a question for #hardware-archived

cunning orbit Aug 22, 2021, 11:05 PM

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@forest edge thanks, I'll take the question there

restive vapor Aug 23, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Would you all buy this expensive camera without cable

scarlet relic Aug 23, 2021, 12:28 AM

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OMG. This Discord server is beautiful!

restive vapor Aug 23, 2021, 12:33 AM

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restive vapor Would you all buy this expensive camera without cable

It is 2,099,655.79 in usd

static schooner Aug 23, 2021, 12:35 AM

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I'd wait for it to go on sale

restive vapor Aug 23, 2021, 12:37 AM

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static schooner I'd wait for it to go on sale

You gonna buy it?

cedar viper Aug 23, 2021, 12:52 AM

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static schooner I'd wait for it to go on sale

probably when it his 2,089,655 is when it's worth it.

hushed basalt Aug 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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restive vapor Aug 23, 2021, 2:42 AM

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hushed basalt

lol

hushed basalt Aug 23, 2021, 9:28 AM

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deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 11:56 AM

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Mondays are great. I actually have some energy to get shit done.

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 11:58 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/mad-gif-18251962

Tenor

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 11:59 AM

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Well it beats Fridays, where I don't even want to get out of bed 😂

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Everyone knows no work gets done on Fridays, yet they still expect us to turn up to work.

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Friday is "mop-up day" - the day you try to get the stuff done that didn't get done the rest of the week 😄

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

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That's one approach. I prefer to blast through as much as I can early in the week so I don't have to mop up 😂

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Must be nice having a week you can predict 🤣

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 12:04 PM

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No better than anyone else can... but I try to front load the bits I know about.

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If I pace myself, I know there'll be something else come in at the last second to ruin my plans.

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It's funny... the new job is with a startup, and I expected things to be manic and there to be so much pressure. So far, it's easier than my previous corporate job 😂

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Nice

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 12:06 PM

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I actually get some of the freedom I wanted in the previous role. I get to architect solutions without having to run it by someone that's never bloody available. I get time to suggest improvements and fix tech debt. If it keeps up like this, it's pretty much my dream job.

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For now anyway... until I change my mind about what my dream job looks like 😂

forest edge Aug 23, 2021, 12:18 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/monday-fradet-bryan-monday-morning-gif-14168475

Tenor

hushed basalt Aug 23, 2021, 2:43 PM

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static schooner Aug 23, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Not a fan of the coding interview

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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for job search?

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:23 PM

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They're ridiculous. I only put up with them because I was desperate to leave my old job and I couldn't be arsed arguing.

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Though I did tell some recruiters to either streamline their process or move along. Fucking 6+ stage interviews... no chance.

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:23 PM

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tis the way in this modern job landscape

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Six stage? WTF

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Three is pushing it

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:24 PM

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I don't get it though. What can you learn from a coding interview that you can't learn through a decent 1:1 interview with a senior dev? They can ask about experience, talk about tech, drill into areas that matter to them.

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I've never delivered an interview where the candidate was expected to code in front of me. Just talk to them.

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:24 PM

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gen xers are getting disgruntled with the whole "i am too old for this shi*" while millenials (the ones working like myself) are already disgruntled for having to carry the workload for others in our generation that didnt want to work.

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i blame this on lack of raccoon gifs.

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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All you get out of a candidate by putting them through tech tests is frustration.

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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test the tolerance for bullshit

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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disgruntled for having to carry the workload for others in our generation that didnt want to work
Carrying for whom?

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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naw you also get a hint of annoyance and the impression of busywork

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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deft pewter > disgruntled for having to carry the workload for others in our generation that...

others in our generation that didnt want to work

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right there in the statement...lolz

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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I'm currently supporting interviews for devs, the "coding tests" are purely to see how deep their clue runs. No expectation of writing code on demand.

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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clever mortar Six stage? WTF

For my current role, they said it was 6 stages... I got them to knock it down to a take-home task (hour or so's work), and two 30-minute interviews (one with my line manager-to-be, one with the senior dev I'd be working with).

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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clever mortar I'm currently supporting interviews for devs, the "coding tests" are purely to s...

Yeah, if it's to probe their questioning/logic skills, that's one thing. As long as they're not expected to output clean, functional code.

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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deft pewter For my current role, they said it was 6 stages... I got them to knock it down to...

Also for the current role... I got from scheduling the interview to being offered my asking salary within 24 hours 😂

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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If you can explain theory clearly, and have worked with your current employer for over 6 months, you're probably not lying

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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but but but @deft pewter if you take that dev job, what will all the news journalists due when they are let go?? lolololololz 😛

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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If you are lying, then you get the boot fairly quickly anyway

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Although I wouldn't even say someone needs to be that great with theory. I find it difficult to talk about theory (mostly for forgetting the relevant terminology) but I can explain how I'd approach a problem.

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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clever mortar If you are lying, then you get the boot fairly quickly anyway

thank god your workplace is like that

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could be worse.

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could be like mine

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Frigging design patterns... 😅

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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deft pewter Although I wouldn't even say someone needs to be that great with theory. I find ...

That's what I mean by theory... not the book shit, but the how it really works

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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clever mortar If you are lying, then you get the boot fairly quickly anyway

Probation exists for a reason

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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we had an IT junior support admin apply stating he had IT experience and was A+, Net+, microsoft certified, etc.

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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It's like all that SOLID stuff. I know it stands for a bunch of important things. I could probably describe them all but don't know what the letters are 😂

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D = dependency injection, maybe? S = single responsibility principle?

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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he's on the job for 2 months. we ask him to add a user to the domain. queue head explosion....

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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L = Liskoff something something.

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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deft pewter Although I wouldn't even say someone needs to be that great with theory. I find ...

Can you not explain how Arrows are a specialization of Monads?

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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cant get verification of said certs from HR

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we just keep em hired on

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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I don't even know what a monad is. Screw you and your functional programming 😂

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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because HR work is hard and #reasons

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-_-

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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I was worried about having to go through probation again. Not sure how much of it is impostor syndrome.

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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All of it

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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4 weeks into the new job and already picking up a bunch of hefty tickets and refining their architecture. I don't feel so worried now.

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Spotting issues with the existing senior's code, so I don't have to pretend he's way better than me 😄

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 4:33 PM

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I have 0 reasons to assume "old" people are better o.0
Experience isn't hours put into something, it's hours put into something while trying to improve

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Yeah, learning has to be active learning.

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Improve can also mean understand more - not just get better in one area

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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I still have tons of respect for the guy, but there's an older dev (approaching 60) on my previous team that I used to look up to in awe... until I realised that I quickly got as good as him.

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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clever mortar Improve can also mean _understand more_ - not just _get better in one area_

You're a fan of T-shaped skills too, huh?

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Or pyramid 😛

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Now, now. Can't expect too much of people.

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:35 PM

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My problem is that I don't just want to be really good at the core of my job, but understand all of it, and "enough" about everything it connects to

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That everything tends to grow arms and legs, and probably tentacles and fourth dimensional appendages

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 4:39 PM

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I claim to be M shaped
Wide with some deep reaches 😄

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and then there's people who have roughly period shaped skills D:

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/crazy-empty-gif-13889476

Tenor

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 5:13 PM

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clever mortar My problem is that I don't just want to be really good at the core of my job, bu...

i have the same curiosity

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and it got me to the point that now im just disappointed in other departments for actively avoiding to do their specified roles

neon hawk Aug 23, 2021, 5:46 PM

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upgraded HA OS from a pi4 to a pc with an SSD over the weekend and it went so freaking well!

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hardest part was disabling safeboot in the BIOS

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 5:53 PM

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What's safeboot? o.0

neon hawk Aug 23, 2021, 6:14 PM

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in HP's world its akin to disabling an armed nuke

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 6:15 PM

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ahh, HP feature, not something on the raspi

neon hawk Aug 23, 2021, 6:17 PM

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i had a bit of a dumb moment tho once the safeboot was disabled - i had a copy of latest OS in my downloads folder so I burned that to the SSD - took me a while to realise it was because it was the ARM version it was not booting

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:11 PM

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hushed basalt

Me last night. lol

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Is Safeboot that thing HP servers do where they refuse to boot from USB devices unless you explicitly click a button allowing the system to boot from a USB device on next boot?

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We're not talking about SecureBoot, right? You probably want SecureBoot on...

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Does HAOS have a signed bootloader?

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

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I would hope so. Most major Linux distros have signed bootloders these days...

deft pewter Aug 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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HA OS isn't a full OS though. Can't remember the right word for it.

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buildroot

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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not that it matters tbh.
if you are using microsoft 3rd party keys, might as well not have secure boot /shrug

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Doesn't need to be a full OS, it still has to have a bootloader

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If that bootloader is GRUB, there's a SecureBoot shim for that

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:18 PM

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subtle pasture If that bootloader is GRUB, there's a SecureBoot shim for that

It's not quite that easy

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can't build your own grub, without your own compilation of that SHIM, which microsoft got to sign for you

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:18 PM

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I mean, that's how Ubuntu does it... so it seems pretty easy

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Shim signed by Microsoft + GRUB signed by Cononical

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:19 PM

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unless of course, you have the possibility to inject your own keys. But then we are in the power-user/enthusiast area already

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Heh, my BIOS has an option to use default keys, accept a pre-generated key, or generate a random key... one click, done 🤷‍♀️

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

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subtle pasture Shim signed by Microsoft + GRUB signed by Cononical

Jup. Signed with the MS thirdparty keys. Which are effectively broken

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

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I used the generate-random option and then imported the resultant keyfile into Windows

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Oh, windows got a feature to resign the bootloader on install? That's cool

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:21 PM

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You can do it post-install. You basically generate your keys and then import them into both Windows and your UEFI

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My UEFI just happens to have a key generator built into it, which removes a few steps from the process

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:21 PM

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hmm, I wonder if we should add that to our system 😂

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yea, getting the pseudo-PKI up to sign everything is annoying

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still hasn't finished getting the laptop self-signed

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I believe the option to use your own keys is mandatory, because you'd be screwed if the default keys were ever compromised if they were static...

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I need to look into the unified image again. I think it's efi-bootable. so it should work for my usecases

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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subtle pasture I believe the option to use your own keys is mandatory, because you'd be screwed...

At best for the "certified for windows" logo. But even that I don't think so

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:23 PM

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/windows-secure-boot-key-creation-and-management-guidance

Windows Secure Boot Key Creation and Management Guidance

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That's the guide for OEMs, which is.. probably a bit much. lol

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:24 PM

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we have a linux based OS. And we do have MS signed SHIM for it^^ I know how to do it. And I know how some biosses handle it... Yuck

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Especially with PCR7 D:

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Yeah, the Microsoft SecureBoot shim is basically just so you can use the default keys included on practically every motherboard

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probably best just to regen your own custom keys

glacial knot Aug 23, 2021, 7:26 PM

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ehh, windows is signed with a different key
And the better EFIs have multiple settings for the integrated keys. One with only first-party, one with 3rd party enabled
The first-party is probably fine. And IMO better than local generation (since there's no way to exfiltrate the private key from your local device after exploit)

remote grove Aug 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Not sure if this is the right place but I’d there a general consensus on what ecosystem (Alexa, HomeKit or Google) works best with HA? Either way if anyone uses one in tandem please let me know your experience.

static schooner Aug 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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probably better in #voice-assistants-archived

graceful nest Aug 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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any know any good Smart usb power smart RBG LED strip

clever mortar Aug 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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See #hardware-archived

graceful nest Aug 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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sick thx

cedar viper Aug 23, 2021, 8:26 PM

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I've been explaining how homeassistant will finally bring all of our smart stuff into one place to my parents and they still don't understand it.

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It's.. fun.

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 8:26 PM

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heh, I just set it up for my girlfriend's parents. They're in love with having a single app for everything

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Spent a few minutes putting all the stuff they wanted to twiddle with or see on a Lovelace dashboard and they were pretty good

cedar viper Aug 23, 2021, 8:27 PM

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My parents just haven't had enough time to understand it fully, but with the fact we're moving towards a new tv and internet setup I think it's time they'll finally get it.

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we have like 5 different brand items that turned out to be tuya (thank god) so it makes my life easy.

subtle pasture Aug 23, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I think it's because they were already using a ton of apps, and this is actually simpler than what they were doing

cedar viper Aug 23, 2021, 8:27 PM

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It really is.

last cedar Aug 23, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Getting close to being done with the cellar

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(16 and 20mm flex pipe to later be for electrical cable for those wondering)

wintry hazel Aug 23, 2021, 9:16 PM

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the flying spaghetti monster's noodly appendages are at work more like

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the saddling on the ceiling is pretty nice. not everyone's conduit work comes up that nice

wintry hazel Aug 23, 2021, 9:22 PM

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cedar viper I've been explaining how homeassistant will finally bring all of our smart stuff...

I tried that similar explanation to dad regarding his CBUS and he keeps coming back and asking questions that were aswered in the basic description.
"Can you make it so I use it to control lights from a phone or ipad?" - yes; but you have to show an interest in setting it up so you know how to add or fix your own things
"Can you make it connect to my google home?" - yes; but you have to show an interest in how it works so you don't break it and blame me when you are playing mr genius NBN installer...

Meanwhile, my home's working great on it

cedar viper Aug 23, 2021, 9:28 PM

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wintry hazel I tried that similar explanation to dad regarding his CBUS and he keeps coming b...

exactly. My mom hates all the smart switches, and keeps saying that one day I'm gonna have to come home to restart the house.. If she would show interest in understanding that it takes ~5 minutes at max for everything to come online, then she can use the old phones mounted on the walls to control the lights, she can use the alexas on our tv, around the house, and on her phone to turn stuff on/off.

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My dad though, he does(n't) understand to a degree, but he's liking the energy it saves.

wintry hazel Aug 23, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Honestly my mine's been a CBUS, Ubiquiti, TV/home media, and internet installer and has all of the above in his house but lately wants to be willfully ignorant on things. He saw me use my soundbar to turn TV on and change channels or watch shows in various apps and he had one shipped to me to set up. Also IPTV. He literally makes/made money off of TV and home entertainment installations...

bitter pawn Aug 23, 2021, 9:35 PM

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you can do it @last cedar !

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organize those doormats!

silk venture Aug 24, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Anyone running an NTP server in a docker container? If so, what's it called?

static schooner Aug 24, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Chrony is one

silk venture Aug 24, 2021, 1:50 AM

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Seems to be a fairly popular choice... was hoping they had an official container but geoffh1977/chrony (https://github.com/geoffh1977/docker-chrony) seems like it will do the job.

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Thanks yet again @static schooner. Seems to be working. I don't want these new Dahua cameras I bought being able to reach the internet at all, lol 😉

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:31 AM

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bitter pawn organize those doormats!

I am trying!

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:32 AM

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sounds like the start of an infomercial

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"are you tired of organizing all your doormats? try our new smart doormat! it's every doormat in one. but wait! there's more!"

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:33 AM

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wintry hazel the saddling on the ceiling is pretty nice. not everyone's conduit work comes up...

Getting them to not cross is a nightmare haha

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:33 AM

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ik

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I was 'mirin

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they aren't in a twist or rippled either

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:33 AM

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That is only 230/415V stuff btw, got the network and alarm to sort after this

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:34 AM

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are you running those to a separate box though, I am assuming?

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Seperate back boxes? Don't have a lot of choice, it isn't up to 415V spec for insulation

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Or 230V

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It won't look as good though

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That is just a storage room, furnace room doesn't matter how it looks

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Etc

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Garage doesn't really matter either

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:36 AM

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some places have a side-by-side pair of DB boxes, one has all the standard electircal db/sub and the other is like relays and networking together because it all got intermingled

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Living areas will be seperate outlets anyway. But going to go for single outlets so it all matches later :D

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:36 AM

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the house I want has a boiler room. It was the other room they didn't keep open due to presumably oHS

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Imagine trying to retrofit this beauty

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:40 AM

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That looks light a nightmare omg

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:41 AM

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it's beautiful. That staircase next to the workshop goes to the bunker

last cedar Aug 24, 2021, 4:41 AM

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I could do it in a month if it was empty 🤣

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But yeah, gonna go with Schneider Exxact outlets everywhere, so it all matches :)

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:42 AM

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the glasshouse is a full indoor greenhouse attached to one of the secondary entries so I can wire the plant people automations straight off the house

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Looks like a mansion to me D:

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But Bedroom 1 into Bedroom 2? That's a weird layout

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:43 AM

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it's a sandstone rich people house that was built in the 20s by a mining family.

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that shouldn't be a bedroom

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it's like a master suite. there's 2 doors to "bedroom 1" that makes it better as like a sitting room. 2 is where the bed could be

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anyhow, exxact looks very large and square but it looks like it would be probably not bad if everything was done in it

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:48 AM

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looks like a normal socket to me /shrug

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:49 AM

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I don't have a picture of the normal australian format; but mine are clipsal iconic, which is also a Schneider brand

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:50 AM

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yea, our plugs are a bit different. Already a given by the other plug shape^^

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:50 AM

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glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:50 AM

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yours is also reverse safe. While ours aint

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:51 AM

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Index finger-sized buttons/switches

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:51 AM

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That first one looks like a horrible hackjob D:

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Yea, our Mains switches (if they aren't on appliances) tend to be the full size of our sockets.

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:51 AM

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It was pretty bad when I bought the place but I don’t want to fill the hole in the doorframe

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Or replace the doorframe. Architrave switches aren’t uncommon but a bit silly in this instance

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:53 AM

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still needs to find good smart switches that actually work
But I replaced everything with smart bulbs by now, so it barely matters

wintry hazel Aug 24, 2021, 4:54 AM

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When I get the ble push buttons for iconic I might pull the cable to a wall plate and wood filler that hole

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Clipsal/Schneider make them for their latest ranges. it's BLE and Zigbee, and works directly with a conbee according to the research of some other Aussies

glacial knot Aug 24, 2021, 4:57 AM

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I've seen some from Bosch. Smart lighting and stuff is creeping into mainline manufacturers. And I like it 😄