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deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:02 PM

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What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow?

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:10 PM

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outside being wonky in storage overhead and generally less stability

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Less stable than ZFS?

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 PM

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IME

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Is the 12-bay suitable for a living room rack, noise-wise? (guessing no)

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:22 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/what-frozen-horse-what-did-you-say-huh-gif-17696317

Tenor

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 PM

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I see, you couldn't hear over the noise of all the cool stuff you have in your living room rack

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message received

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Living room racks... 😂

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Even if I had rack mounted gear, it wouldn't be in my living room. That shit goes in a study or a random closet.

stiff holly Jul 22, 2021, 4:40 PM

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I have a single Synology NAS in the living room and even that gets kinda annoying when it starts spinning up the drives

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:40 PM

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You know the answer to that... use SSD's

stiff holly Jul 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Pls I'm not made of money

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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I hate spinning disks. I'm holding off on replacing my remaining HDD until I can get a 4TB or larger SSD for a reasonable price.

stiff holly Jul 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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But that's probably actually a good idea once SSD prices fall more yeah

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Aye. They're already good, just not that good.

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Almost went for a 6-8TB HDD but then prices started to rise with those ridiculous new cryptocurrencies...

stiff holly Jul 22, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Crypto ruining everything :)

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I'm impressed by the WD Reds I have in my NAS

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I once accidentally dropped the NAS while it was running

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

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deft pewter You know the answer to that... use SSD's

that was actually my reason to go full SSD for my storage 😂

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Did you compromise on total storage or just go with more disks?

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:45 PM

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"compromise"
I have way more than I'll need the next couple years

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Every time I run low and think I need more space, I just decide to delete old media instead.

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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I have ~3TB usable space now. And no movies or other giant files to speak of to park

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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About 6TB total here but I do have lots of movies and TV. Photos and personal stuff are a tiny part of that 6TB, so I don't mind deleting other bits.

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When SSD's started coming down in price, I took advantage and got some more for installing games. Rarely see a loading screen now 😄

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:47 PM

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I used to have 2-3TB of movies and series on 2x2TB spinning. But none of that is worth keeping

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and one drive failed, the other had a typo accident with dd

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typed sdb, meant sdg

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:49 PM

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cedar chasm Is the 12-bay suitable for a living room rack, noise-wise? (guessing no)

Really depends on what drives you put in it. Mine came with a full compliment of WD RE (7200 RPM enterprise edition disks), so no...

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But if you filled it with WD Red or WD Red+ drives, it'd run a lot quieter

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The fan noise depends entirely on how warm the disks and CPU get, and the CPU temp usually isn't the problem

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:50 PM

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glacial knot outside being wonky in storage overhead and generally less stability

I've had no stability issues with BTRFS. Example?

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:50 PM

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glacial knot and one drive failed, the other had a typo accident with `dd`

You back the important stuff up offsite though... right?

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Also keep in mind that Synology doesn't use BTRFS's RAID modes, it puts BTRFS on top of of LVM (Synology Hybrid RAID)

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:51 PM

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subtle pasture I've had no stability issues with BTRFS. Example?

like, pools going read-only without any reason it can find

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permanently, because something fails pretty early if it tries to write later on

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Yeah, again, Synology just uses BTRFS as a file system. Pooling and RAID are handled by other technologies.

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 4:53 PM

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I had that happen on single disk pools and mutli disk before

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though the single disk system in non-datagrave cases

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:53 PM

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That's how they can do crazy stuff like single-disk expansions, and on-the-fly additions of parity disks

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 4:53 PM

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subtle pasture The fan noise depends entirely on how warm the disks and CPU get, and the CPU te...

In that case I'm just one drunk shopping binge away, thanks 🙂

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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glacial knot I had that happen on single disk pools and mutli disk before

There are no BTRFS pools in a Synology, is what I'm telling you...

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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deft pewter Living room racks... 😂

I live alone, the rack adds some spice to my life

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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BTRFS can exist as a file system alone, like EXT4

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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cedar chasm I live alone, the rack adds some spice to my life

The spice must flow!

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Except with BTRFS, you get bit-rot protection, data encryption, and snapshots

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Mmmm....global DNS issues...

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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10 hours rebuilding a 2 disk 1.72gb raid-1 :S gooooood taimes, plus looking forward to those DNS issues 🙂

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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subtle pasture BTRFS can exist as a file system alone, like EXT4

do you have any doc that explains how it differs from single disk pool?

keen holly Jul 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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I bought my first NAS a couple months ago, empty drives took overnight for consistency check 🤦‍♂️

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2 6tb drives

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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It is what it is, I'm at 89.69% now

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Done or remaining? 😄

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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It's moved a bit, so I expect they mean 'Done'

clever mortar Jul 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Or destroyed

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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But there is still the expansion phase, so there is that to look forward to

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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a pro-tip is add all new drives at once to avoid a multi-day (or even week) rebuild

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:46 PM

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2 disk bay adds some moving parts to that equation 😂

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but yeah, now that I have some spare disks, next time that's definitely what I am doing..

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:47 PM

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pfft. is that from Toys 'r' Us?

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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I like how it looks next to my Thomas the Tank Engine lunchbox

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Next time I'm going this route it will be because a drive has actually died

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I ended up wasting a lot of time rebuilding my array by adding drives piecemeal when I knew from the start that I wanted to fully-populate the array with 2-disk redundancy. Should have just done that from the start

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a week-long rebuild makes me nervous

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Well, I am fairly small-time, but once all of this is settled I'll have a 2.7 TB (usable) volume, and two spare 2TB disks that I can use to backup the NAS if I ever have to move to something bigger

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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cedar chasm But there is still the expansion phase, so there is that to look forward to

I'm currently in the middle of my expansion phase too. I blame lockdown.

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 5:53 PM

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gave me time to rediscover lots of toys I had buried in rubbish piles and also to send away for new ones

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Rob - I just finished watching Katla. That was fucking weird 😄

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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yep

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I thought it was a bit better than some of the foreign imports

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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I cheated and watched the dubbed version. Don't judge me.

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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katla?

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Got a bit weird though... some bits weren't dubbed, so I had subs on too. And they didn't always match up 😂

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Netflix

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yeah, that will break your brain

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I can't do both dubbing and subtitles

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 5:58 PM

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it already annoys me when the Japanese language doesn't fit English subs
and I barely speak Japanese

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 5:58 PM

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I'm still not sure who won the Russian roulette either. The camera angles didn't help.

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 5:59 PM

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I can't remember

dusky plank Jul 22, 2021, 6:00 PM

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it‘s always DNS

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 6:01 PM

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I find that watching lower-budget shows with dubbing takes dubious acting and layers cheap voice actors turning it into a soap opera

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if you watch Dark, I highly recommend keeping the original audio track and use subtitles

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

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I started watching Dark before and couldn't get into it. Might give it another shot.

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

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While I don't understand much Icelandic, my ancestors demand I watch anything in it with subs

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rather than dubs

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 6:04 PM

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deft pewter I started watching Dark before and couldn't get into it. Might give it another s...

It's incredibly confusing. I had to keep the family tree from Wikipedia (I think) open while watchign it

opaque girder Jul 22, 2021, 6:04 PM

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I tried Dark dubbed it looked wrong. Much better with original audio and subtitles

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Generally anything dubbed I find wrong

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 6:05 PM

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different people all with complex relationships and then several different versions of each from different times

opaque girder Jul 22, 2021, 6:05 PM

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I've still not finished the last few episodes

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I think I need to rewatch all of the last season. Was way too confusing

static schooner Jul 22, 2021, 6:06 PM

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it takes an investment in time and brain cells. I'm not sure it was worth it in the end

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luckily, there are lots of online resources to explain what the hell was going on

opaque girder Jul 22, 2021, 6:07 PM

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I think they could have done a much better job

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 6:08 PM

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static schooner it takes an investment in time and brain cells. I'm not sure it was worth it in...

I have lots of time. Not so much of the other.

opaque girder Jul 22, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Every day spent on here a brain cell less

last cedar Jul 22, 2021, 6:11 PM

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opaque girder Every day spent on here a brain cell less

But 1 more raccoon gif embedded in your remaining brain cells

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https://tenor.com/view/happy-dancing-raccoon-raccoon-dance-gif-15444932

Tenor

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

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I feel like there could be a correlation

last cedar Jul 22, 2021, 6:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-hivefive-gif-4864790

Tenor

opaque girder Jul 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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TPplotting

last cedar Jul 22, 2021, 6:18 PM

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So you lost 1 cell

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And occupied 3

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In 7 minutes

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Good going!

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 7:56 PM

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9️⃣ 7️⃣ . 4️⃣ 7️⃣ 🇵 🇪 🇷 🇨 🇪 🇳 🇹 🇩 🇴 🇳 🇪

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Well, going down the NAS hole made me order 5.25" to 3.5" hotswap bays

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next stop truenas town

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Send help

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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nope no one can help you now

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 8:58 PM

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nooooooooo

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 8:58 PM

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your wallet will forever be empty now

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but may your data be redundant

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 8:59 PM

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as long as the power stays on

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My Synology went into the expansion phase. doesn't look like it's going to be done before sleepy times

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Depends... how long are you willing to wait until you sleep?

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:10 PM

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...expansion? I thought you said this was a RAID1 volume?

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You can't expand a 2-disk RAID1 without two rebuilds (and replacing both disks)

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 9:10 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/colchao-fabrica-de-colchoes-gas-carbonico-espuma-expanding-gif-14329135

Tenor

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:11 PM

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I didn't come on yesterday with my sob-story, but yes this is my second time around XD

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hence now that I have spare disks, next time this won't be happening again

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slept through most of the first disk

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

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took me 5 seconds to setup a secondary drive that just rsync clones another drive

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Sure, but that doesn't do what RAID does 🤷‍♀️

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It also doesn't do what a backup does...

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I applaud anyone that's pleased with their own setups

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Especially if they involve Watchtower.

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

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this this this

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Any idea if Watchtower will ever support podman?

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Oh if only

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Because installing Docker on RHEL is annoying, and podman is just included...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

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subtle pasture Sure, but that doesn't do what RAID does 🤷‍♀️

your right, it also dosen't come with the headaches either

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Yeah, no advantages, no headaches. lol

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Doesn't give you the uptime of RAID, nor the protection of a backup 🤷‍♀️

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:18 PM

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how not

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:18 PM

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You lose your primary drive, you're down.
You get a crypto-virus, your r-synced clone also gets encrypted...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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lol crypto virus

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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You also don't have any file history / incremental backups / deduplication / compression

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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ooh, 45% expanded 😮

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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So yeah, rsync clone kinda falls flat when compared to a proper backup...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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actually you can have file history

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backups is mute because that can be handled various ways

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:19 PM

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I'd just install Veeam for Linux and call it a day. No need to mess around with rsync...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:20 PM

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and if you lose your primary, you literally just swap then get a replacement

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Yeah, like I said, you'd be down because your primary disk went offline...

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Because there's no RAID

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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you wouldn't be down

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Your primary disk died, with no RAID... you'd be down...

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No files would be accessible

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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you don't rsync the os

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besides that can have it's own backup as well

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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So why even rsync if you have a proper backup?

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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wut

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:23 PM

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If you have proper backups, why are you also doing an rsync clone?

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Seems redundant, with no payoff

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:23 PM

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confused what you are calling proper backups

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and i am talking about using rsync between two data drives vs raid

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Solid, deduplicated, compressed archives with stacked incrementals, file-level restore, and configurable retention.

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Yeah, rsync between two data drives doesn't do what RAID does at all. You get no uptime out of rsync

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:24 PM

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yea no don't need that jargon

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we're talking home not buisness

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Right, so am I...

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Veeam is free. lol

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RAID is also free

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

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so is rsync

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:25 PM

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If you want to keep two drives in sync, set up RAID1 in LVM

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Why would you rsync them? That adds nothing...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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because it's faster and simplier and more universal?

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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rsync is also a file-level copy rather than a block-level copy, which has its own issues. Your secondary disk won't be identical to your primary.

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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depends how it's set up

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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rsync is generally going to be slower, more convoluted, and more error-prone

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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not really

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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I know of no way to make rsync do a block-level copy

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yes, really...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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you just like to over complicate simple tasks

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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You're the one doing it the complicated way

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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how so?

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it's 5 seconds

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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And you still haven't explained how there's any advantage to running rsync over RAID1

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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lol

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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75% 🙂

dull chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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I copy paste beat that suckers

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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All you're ending up with is a file-level copy of your stuff, that doesn't confer any uptime advantage

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Which is the entire reason you run RAID, uptime

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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obviously if you wanted to get all serious there are pro's and cons to both, however for those of us not needing to save petabytes of garbage there is no point in using raid. the benefits of rsync is a cloned drive, literally plug and play

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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I'm not seeing any pros to running an rsync job here...

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What are they?

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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thats because you over complicat shit lol

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Nope...

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I keep stating the simple solution, just mirror the damn drives...

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You're the one over here doing file-level scheduled rsync jobs

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THAT's complicated

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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raid is not plug and play

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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It's 3 commands....

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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and

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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RAID has been around a long time, it's pretty darn plug-and-play these days

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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not really

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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yes really...

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Drive fails, you replace it with a new one

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It auto-rebuilds, you move on

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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you can't just yank the drive and plug it in somewhere else

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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There's no mucking around with rsync, scheduled, file-level transfers, etc.

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With a RAID1? Yes you can, actually...

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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it takes less time to setup rsync then raid lol

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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My company used to deploy backup units that used RAID1 to clone the active backup disk with the offsite backup disk

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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here we go.. company

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:31 PM

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It takes WAY less time to set up RAID than rsync, and RAID actually gives you additional uptime assurance

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@forest edge As an example of being able to yank a drive from RAID1 and read it like a single disk. The fact that it was deployed at an office doesn't change the underlying tech...

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You can absolutely yank a drive from an LVM RAID1 and read it individually

dull chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Let’s talk psu and terminal blocks

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800 dollars worth

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

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dull chasm Let’s talk psu and terminal blocks

that better not be installed in some moss covered barn built in the 1800's

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

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What does ST stand for?

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control my PV shades and PV scenes via the ST app
add my PV shades to ST scenes and other automations
use both Google Home and Alexa to execute voice control of my shades```

dull chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

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No a cabinet

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Smart things?

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:35 PM

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sounds about right

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Im lost

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:36 PM

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subtle pasture You can absolutely yank a drive from an LVM RAID1 and read it individually

you can do alot of things with either setup. however you keep missing the point between keeping something simple and complicating things for the sheer joy of doing it

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:37 PM

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how does someone automate their blinds

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:38 PM

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proven valve how does someone automate their blinds

have children

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:38 PM

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oof

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thatll take years

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and a giant kid

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else they cant reach the blinds lol

dull chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Hamsters

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 9:39 PM

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forest edge you can do alot of things with either setup. however you keep missing the point ...

Ahhh, you should have said that you want rsync for tinkering. Not simplicity

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:39 PM

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forest edge you can do alot of things with either setup. however you keep missing the point ...

Nope, I'm offering the simple solution, you're over-complicating the whole thing... and, on top of that, your solution doesn't even seem to have any advantages for all the extra complexity (and several obvious disadvantages)

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:39 PM

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but none have automated their blinds ._.?

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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my solution litterally allows me to use an external drive and unplug it and take it whereever and plug it into anything

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Meiw: I use ready-made IKEA blinds

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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I just spent 2k on new blinds

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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forest edge my solution litterally allows me to use an external drive and unplug it and take...

So does a RAID1... we've literally used RAID1 over here for that express purpose

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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as they didnt have my type of blinds

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 9:40 PM

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proven valve but none have automated their blinds ._.?

Probably more of a #hardware-archived or #diy-archived question if you want actual advice

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Aliexpress has some stuff for byob, though

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(bring your own blinds)

glacial knot Jul 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Bring your own building?

cedar chasm Jul 22, 2021, 9:53 PM

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bring your own bees

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 10:11 PM

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subtle pasture So does a RAID1... we've literally used RAID1 over here for that express purpose

yea that's cause it's a controlled cycle. try hooking that raid disk up to a dvr and pulling the files off lol

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rsync has it's pros regardless what you may think. both disc don't have to be the same size nor file structure for that matter

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you can schedule it so if something does get erased it don't wipe it from both drives instantly

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wouldn't really want to raid between a internal and external drive aways

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Yeah, but I'd never use it to replace RAID, is what I'm getting at

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Because it can't, honestly

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And your original comment came up in the context of madaoZ having a time with the RAID1 on their 2-bay NAS

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:32 PM

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So my Philips Hue hub doesnt allow z-wave I assume of different brands, so my Home Assistant would need to get a z-wave dongle I think?

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 10:32 PM

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subtle pasture And your original comment came up in the context of madaoZ having a time with th...

that's irrelevant tho. it's still 5 seconds lol

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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What's 5 seconds?

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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setting up rsync

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Not irrelevant at all, everything I said was within the context of of their issue

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Setting up RAID is that fast too 🤷‍♀️

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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not really, he has to wait for his raid to build

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

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That's a rebuild, not initial setup

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Initial setup on a RAID1 is instant

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

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why run raid and not unraid

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

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unraid can gtfo, honestly...

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

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XD

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its more efficient though

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I disagree

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:35 PM

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how so?

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It might lack the performance compared to a raid such as 1+0 but its far more efficient

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:36 PM

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https://pastebin.com/1X8dzpeP

Pastebin

I dont have the time to go through unRAID again. I even worked on a...

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

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This guy covers it...

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unraid is limited to single-disk IOPS, and is prone to complete data loss due to how parity is implemented. I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw the server...

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Yea itll lose performance I agree to that

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

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So how is it more efficient if it's slower by a factor of n-disks?

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

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But it is more efficient in cases

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Define "efficient" for me...

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Because all I see is a ton of wasted potential

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I'd much rather run TrueNAS (formerly FreeNAS) on the same hardware

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Also a great option

subtle pasture Jul 22, 2021, 10:40 PM

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I would not call unraid "great" in any capacity

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Im not calling it great

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What do you think about Proxmox?

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:45 PM

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/3b/96/3b3b96e4b2d388a341c470f599769b5c.gif

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i think proxmox and unraid need more raccoons

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:46 PM

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🥺

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:46 PM

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they both have their uses.

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:47 PM

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I just think that you cant just throw something out of the window because it didn't work for a particular setup

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:47 PM

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iirc proxmox is better for NAS applications.

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might be wrong on that but i remember hearing performance is better.

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unraid has come a very long way in terms of its webui being buggy af and not working.

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:48 PM

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true

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:48 PM

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its more user friendly imo.

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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If people are using something simply because it's user friendly, they need to learn to use better tools.

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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to get started with a very simple setup unraid is great.

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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deft pewter If people are using something simply because it's user friendly, they need to le...

also true

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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User friendly and decent is worth it. User friendly and crap isn't.

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:49 PM

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but i think for more advanced stuff, proxmox is allegedly better. havent tried it yet

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Meh. I did when I first started with HA. I wasn't impressed.

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:51 PM

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i crank that difficulty to 11 with HA on hyper-v

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😛

deft pewter Jul 22, 2021, 10:51 PM

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You're a monster

bitter pawn Jul 22, 2021, 10:51 PM

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no. i just hate myself

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lolololololz

hushed basalt Jul 22, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Proxmox is a pretty average hypervisor

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The ZFS support is okay.

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I just went with six identical drives in raidz2 zfs and called it a day. I can't be bothered with crap like mergerfs or unraid

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 11:07 PM

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all to save roo pictures i imagine

hushed basalt Jul 22, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Yes. 30TBs of roos

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 11:08 PM

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that's alot of roos

hushed basalt Jul 22, 2021, 11:08 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/Dk4LBuubRusAAAAM/kangaroo-roo.gif

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Been printing 3D catan, what you guys think

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Need to paint it still

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 11:12 PM

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is that a D&D thing?

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 11:13 PM

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No not really

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its like resource management and conquering land using settlements and cities

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gaining points

forest edge Jul 22, 2021, 11:15 PM

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I had always thought it was neat when the pseye came out and could animate card games like magic the gathering etc but by the time they came out with that stuff playing card games became boring for me, would rather just play a game on the console/pc lol

proven valve Jul 22, 2021, 11:17 PM

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😛

wintry hazel Jul 23, 2021, 12:03 AM

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That looks cool. I never played Catan; but Games Workshop made a Warhammer extra called Mighty Empires that also uses a hex system but is much more drawn out.
The tiles look similar but have a little interlocking system on the edges

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Ok looking for new monitor arm for my philips 34 inch and a flat 27 inch. Would you buy two single or one dual? The old one I got refund as it could not even hold 20% of specs

wintry hazel Jul 23, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I, personally, would get all my monitors on the one mount. Makes the desk pretty clean that way.
Have installed them at super companies and car companies but am blanking on any (admittedly expensive) brand names

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I have 3 monitors and was going to shop for one that would handle them

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 12:07 AM

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late gate Ok looking for new monitor arm for my philips 34 inch and a flat 27 inch. Would ...

amazon basics. they make single and double they are actually made by another company (forgot the name) and costs way more through that company. they are solid built.

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3 monitors on one arm?

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https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-gif-4496112

Tenor

Absolutely fucking not

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late gate Jul 23, 2021, 12:11 AM

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I don’t have Amazon here :/

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The dilemma is the monitors is big size difference

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 12:37 AM

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Argh most is for 32 inch

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And the monitor is 12kg, so it should handle 15kg on one arm

tidal bronze Jul 23, 2021, 2:24 AM

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forest edge https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-absolutely-fucking-not-gif-4496112

Very violent 🙄

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 2:38 AM

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tidal bronze Very violent 🙄

you cali's are polluting my air, have every right to be

tidal bronze Jul 23, 2021, 2:45 AM

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All for love.

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 2:49 AM

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you would set yourselves on fire thinking you'd come back greener

green inlet Jul 23, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Works for burmuda grass 🤷🏼‍♂️

hushed basalt Jul 23, 2021, 4:16 AM

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I'm going to buy a 32" 4k benq soon

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When it comes back in stock locally

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I do think 32" flat 16:9 is probably a bit too large. But all the ultrawides are only 1440p and smaller height

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Or 3 times more expensive for a large ultrawide curved 5k2k

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 5:20 AM

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why the benq? it's more money, sure the color and all is better tuned out of box but it's more money then comparable others

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not to mention i think it's price is increased for the esport bs in itself

hushed basalt Jul 23, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Esport?

hushed basalt Jul 23, 2021, 7:41 AM

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What's cheaper than a benq

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That doesn't look like shit

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When you look at it for 40 hours a week and it's your portal to providing income, $900AUD is very cheap

low harness Jul 23, 2021, 12:45 PM

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proven valve Been printing 3D catan, what you guys think

Looking good! I got started at that too once, but the kit with curved puzzle-piece edges. Painted about half of them, but then the kids got to it, and now I think we've thrown most of the pieces out...

glacial knot Jul 23, 2021, 12:48 PM

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make a truely 3D one that's assembled into a globe and uses magnets

hushed basalt Jul 23, 2021, 2:01 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/GY4_RoKVtssAAAAM/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-its-always-sunny.gif

static schooner Jul 23, 2021, 3:09 PM

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How do they work?

last cedar Jul 23, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Magic

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 3:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/alien-guy-yes-ir-is-is-that-evenpossible-gif-13829766

Tenor

low harness Jul 23, 2021, 6:16 PM

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That's an interesting thing. 3d printers and the "maker movement" means you can now search for magnets on youtube. 10 years ago, that'd bring you into "free" energy territory.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 6:26 PM

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how often do you search for magnets on youtube?

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and are you disappointed that you can no longer find what you are looking for?

low harness Jul 23, 2021, 6:26 PM

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I had a university project related to inductive energy transfer...

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And that was about the time where the people calling themselves Imhotep and such were just learning about rare earth magnets and added them to the mix of... inventions they got from their alien friends...

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Spinning magnets and large copper coils... you can guess

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I avoid the dark side of YouTube among other things

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outside of ASMR content, I've been mostly successful

low harness Jul 23, 2021, 6:29 PM

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I learned a lot about how to do exactly that during that project.

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But some people just shouldn't be given a worldwide megaphone.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 6:31 PM

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I don't mind the people with the megaphone, it's the amount of people who listen to them that's the frightening thing

low harness Jul 23, 2021, 6:31 PM

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true

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Fewer people could listen if the idiots didn't have megaphones in the first place.

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I think the worst part of all the neckbeard conspiracists is that now they have platforms on which to assemble. It wasn't so bad when each village had an idiot... but now that all the idiots can get together? 😱

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Who's the to decide who's the idiot when it comes to megaphones?

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 9:48 PM

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I volunteer.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 9:48 PM

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not to get too political

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I do as well

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I think the route that social media platforms are being forced to take now (fact checking and flagging fake stuff) is pretty suitable, they just need to put more effort into it and it needs to apply everywhere.

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It's far too easy to present something as fact when it's anything but.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 9:51 PM

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I don't disagree with the village idiot argument, I totally agree with it, but I don't think what you propose as the solution is easy to implement in the age of an open Internet

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Yeah, definitely not easy. And big firms won't want to implement it.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 10:05 PM

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There are some conflicting interests...

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Yeah, no shit 😄

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Even at the other end of the scale, it's difficult. How are small communities expected to find the resources to perform fact checking and moderation?

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 10:12 PM

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That's a big problem. The larger players would easily be able to regulate the discussion. The whole thing is very far from the Internet wet dream I grew up with

bitter pawn Jul 23, 2021, 10:18 PM

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meh my take is a self declaration from these platforms needs to happen.

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you either are an open platform that anyone can partake in minus the pedo stuff.

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OR you are a publisher

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none of this stating you are an open platform but then censoring opposing narratives

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cant have cake and eat it too.

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:24 PM

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online social media shouldn't have to flag or fact check anything. people taking something they read online and believing in it is a failure of societies part and needs to be stopped

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:24 PM

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bitter pawn none of this stating you are an open platform but then censoring opposing narrat...

For me, the issue is that some level of censorship is necessary. Just getting rid of the tinfoil hatters is important, so they can't spread dangerous information.

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:25 PM

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forest edge online social media shouldn't have to flag or fact check anything. people taking...

So how do you propose that it should be stopped? Even giving people an education doesn't help - half the nutters have college degrees.

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:25 PM

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well considering not that long ago it was common sense not to believe anything you read online as fact it's not impossible to go back to that

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 10:26 PM

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that's always been bullshit. Plenty of kids including me would believe "alternative facts" they read on the internet

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It's nothing new, it's just more widespread

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:27 PM

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it's a epic problem. consider medical searches for example

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look at all the people who just know they have cancer cause of some google search. or how many people have lost their careers over stupid shit posted online (not even refering to the stuff they posted themselves but something someone else said)

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somehow we turned the internet into worldwide gossip and gave it power. gossip before internet didn't have real power yet now it controls fate

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internet was a gimmick, a joke. people didn't put faith in what they read. it was a toy, tool nothing else. now it's this warped nightmare that is only getting worse. we just need to revert it's power

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was scary to watch older people pull a complete 180 on thier view of the internet. literally laughing at it and now face glued to the screen thinking Trump stopped the space dinosaurs from invading. it's crazy

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Would've been more fun if he'd let the dinos take over.

orchid rose Jul 23, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Internet was never really a gimmick or a joke, but it wasn't overly serious. We always had conspiracy theories and such, but those were always seen as a bit nerdy. What has changed lately is the scale of it and the increasing bubbling of Internet communities

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 PM

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whats changed was it's power of influence

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:40 PM

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It's gone from creepypasta to people pushing lies as fact.

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:41 PM

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forest edge whats changed was it's power of influence

I'd say its reach more than its power. Half the world has an internet-capable device in their pocket now. That's a big shift from the 90's where most households didn't even have a computer.

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:41 PM

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if only a worldwide emp would go off...

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 10:41 PM

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No thanks 😄

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Any suggestion for a mini pc with nvida / cuda?

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 10:54 PM

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nvidia shield?

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 10:59 PM

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That can run ha

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 11:00 PM

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lots of mini pc's out there with mobile nvidia chips

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 11:00 PM

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forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 11:04 PM

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also it's really only a matter of time before someone makes a way to run docker on android and when that happens, you can run HA lol

deft pewter Jul 23, 2021, 11:04 PM

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They already did, right? https://community.home-assistant.io/t/install-home-assistant-mosquitto-broker-and-node-red-on-android/14350

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 11:05 PM

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janky.. but there ya go!

late gate Jul 23, 2021, 11:07 PM

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A shield would be a good host with its tegra

bitter pawn Jul 23, 2021, 11:10 PM

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forest edge also it's really only a matter of time before someone makes a way to run docker ...

lolz

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what a time to be alive!

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too broke for a pi to run HA? get a crappy android phone no one cares about!

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 11:17 PM

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being 100% dependent on wifi is a big no no imo

bitter pawn Jul 23, 2021, 11:21 PM

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nods

forest edge Jul 23, 2021, 11:22 PM

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I do think a lite version specially designed for the pi zero would get some use

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since i offoaded the video stuff on mine, i could almost run my setup on a zero. it be slow as balls but it would work lol

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just have to not visit the ui too often

cedar chasm Jul 23, 2021, 11:29 PM

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My TrueNAS striped volume made up of the leftover disks from my Synology is up and running.
Oh the fun I'll have

tidal bronze Jul 24, 2021, 2:59 AM

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@forest edge I totally missed space dinosaurs 🙄

forest edge Jul 24, 2021, 3:37 AM

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@tidal bronzeas oblivious as you have been i am not shocked at you missing much of anything lol

tidal bronze Jul 24, 2021, 3:41 AM

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I know I right.

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This ATMOS audio is messing up music for me. Tidal 😫

forest edge Jul 24, 2021, 3:57 AM

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oh? making you feel like you are being stuffed into cello?

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tidal bronze Jul 24, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Exactly. Impossible to go back to 2 channel music after this

late gate Jul 24, 2021, 8:10 AM

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You know when ur so sleepy you close an eye thinking it will improve the grammar and use e,x the time typing it

glacial knot Jul 24, 2021, 8:18 AM

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what?

tall badge Jul 24, 2021, 12:34 PM

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potato

tame sand Jul 24, 2021, 12:50 PM

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lasagne

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 1:23 PM

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bean curd

wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Holy shit

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Tuya V2 Github bugtracker asks user to enable debug logging for the component when submitting issues, but that debug output contains user's access token, secret, their IP and exact longitude/laptitude

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there are like, a whole bunch of issues there where people doxx themselves

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and provide anyone on the internet control of their linked tuya devices

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 4:40 PM

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They shouldn't blindly share info without reading through it and sanitising it first.

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:40 PM

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You're assuming people are able to recognise what needs sanitising...

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I've seen plenty of folks here blindly post sensitive details because they just don't understand

wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Yeah average Joe won't have a clue

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Average Joe has negative clue 😛

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wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 4:43 PM

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there are also situations where you might not realise that a field is sensitive

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unless you're familiar with the code

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like, the logger has this bit at the end (not mine): "t": 1627056015521

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like, what the hell is "t"

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Clearly a unix timestamp

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(sorry 😛 )

wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 4:44 PM

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oooh right

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Millisecond precision too. The best kind.

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Sadly I've spent so long working with *nix systems, I recognise the timestamp format

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Just the fact it started with 16 was a good sign 😄

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Yup

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https://www.unixtimestamp.com/index.php

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Only two and a bit years until 1700000000 🎉

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, but it's going to be a while until we get something as amusing as 1234567890 again

wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Lol

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some of the info isn't sanitised even in their issue template

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specifically, the coordinates

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points to some road in Hangzhou

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 5:08 PM

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So suggest to them that they fix it

wooden egret Jul 24, 2021, 5:08 PM

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I did

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:27 PM

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So I just googled Chia mining. Is it fair to say that Chia could be fueling a run on hard drives, just like how GPUs have been hit by alt-coin-mining?

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Fudging cryptos

static schooner Jul 24, 2021, 6:27 PM

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yes

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everything crypto touches dies

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:28 PM

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It's good to know the world is ending

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It's scientifically proven

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As each of us gets older, the feeling that the world is spinning out of control and will basically be over soon is oddly comforting

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Crypto is this harbinger of death

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 6:39 PM

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cedar chasm So I just googled Chia mining. Is it fair to say that Chia could be fueling a ru...

Yes, these new currencies are why HDD's are starting to get so fucking expensive.

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Miners (and, by extension, anyone else involved) are dicks. All the supply issues, CO2, pyramid schemes... it's a joke.

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Brilliant

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I did some ASIC mining back in 2013; It was fun to see how things worked but it totally is a ponzie scheme

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Yup. The only people that get rich are the ones that got in early. They're also the only ones that preach how great crypto is.

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Even Papa Musk is against it now, and he's exactly the kind of quirky tech bro you'd expect to support it.

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:43 PM

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He's wobbly AF on the topic but as long as he keeps funding space exploration I will forgive him a few trespasses

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 6:44 PM

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I dunno. I'd prefer to see him and Jeff solve poverty or world hunger.

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:44 PM

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We might need to do all three

orchid rose Jul 24, 2021, 6:44 PM

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didn't Musk just make crypto fly again the other day?

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 6:44 PM

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I heard that as well

orchid rose Jul 24, 2021, 6:45 PM

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“If the price of bitcoin goes down, I lose money. I might pump, but I don’t dump. I definitely do not believe in getting the price high and selling or anything like that,” Musk said. “I would like to see bitcoin succeed.”

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It's up like 10% since

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 6:46 PM

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The SEC needs to get tough on him. He knows he influences markets.

orchid rose Jul 24, 2021, 6:46 PM

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hyping something isn't illegal

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Manipulating markets for personal gain is.

orchid rose Jul 24, 2021, 6:47 PM

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pump and dump is but he's not dumb enough to do that

low harness Jul 24, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Proof-of-storage maakes no sense. Proof of work means it’s hard to make a transaction and thus kind of secure-by-obscurity. POS just sounds like waste by design.

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 7:04 PM

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All sounds like a massive waste of resources all round.

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The only good thing that comes out of blockchain is a verified public ledger for non-repudiation. And even that's not as useful as it sounds, since a lot of the use cases that might otherwise find it useful don't want a public ledger.

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Everyone seems to keen to jump on this bandwagon and yet no-one's found a decent problem that can be solved with it.

static schooner Jul 24, 2021, 7:06 PM

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a) make resource b) build a crypto-related thing that requires the use of massive amounts of that resource c) profit

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 7:13 PM

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You're saying this is a conspiracy by Big Hard Drive? 🤯

clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Tuya's New Home Assistant Integration Just Saved The Smart Home Industry (Local Control)
🤨 🤣 🤣

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Glad we got that sorted

static schooner Jul 24, 2021, 7:22 PM

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now we just need them to concentrate on killing Chia farming

proven valve Jul 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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ohboi it works

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sounds isnt as bad as in video

chilly nymph Jul 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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very cool

proven valve Jul 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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but someone has an idea ?

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oops,

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clever mortar Jul 24, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Well, if you're asking for help relating to Home Assistant, that would be another channel

proven valve Jul 24, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Would it be software wise?

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Thought of material to put into it lol

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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proven valve Thought of material to put into it lol

You could use concrete or epoxy resin, then it won't make a noise.

last cedar Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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deft pewter You could use concrete or epoxy resin, then it won't make a noise.

Earplugs would work too

deft pewter Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I don't know. It would take a lot of earplugs to fill all the gaps between the blinds.

last cedar Jul 24, 2021, 9:51 PM

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True that

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Maybe we could ask a raccoon friend to steal the blind, so the noise will be someone elses problem

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Hopefully someone who doesn't use discord

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So it won't be our problem too

cedar chasm Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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problems, solving themselves in that manner, are fairly brilliant

chilly nymph Jul 25, 2021, 3:03 AM

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Just time to terminate them all now

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 3:16 AM

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chilly nymph

nice what box is that? almost looks like the plug faceplate dosen't quite fit

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make sure you shove plenty of access wire back up into the cavity

chilly nymph Jul 25, 2021, 3:19 AM

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@forest edge you are correct. I need to pick up a new faceplate, but that's what I had on hand. Its the legrand onq 30 inch

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And yeah, a lot of that is going back up/down into the cavity. I just want to terminate it all first

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It's a project for tomorrow because this took me WAY too long to do between moving horizontal supports, my wall being shallower than it should be, and my studs being about an eighth inch too close together

full birch Jul 25, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Can anyone help me with this

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My laser engraver is printing like this?

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 4:56 AM

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switch from God burned in toast mode to normal

full birch Jul 25, 2021, 4:59 AM

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This is my setting

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And this is the PCB which I wanna make

young sigil Jul 25, 2021, 5:02 AM

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More power and/or slower speed.

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How are you going to do the PCB? Burn off an etch resist layer? Your laser won't etch copper.

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You need a fibre laser for that.

full birch Jul 25, 2021, 5:06 AM

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I'll apply a layer of black paint and then etch it with Ferric Chloride

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Paint will be applied before laser engraving and etching after laser engraving

full birch Jul 25, 2021, 5:14 AM

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young sigil More power and/or slower speed.

I am able to decrease the speed but how do I give it more power?

young sigil Jul 25, 2021, 5:28 AM

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Read the instructions?

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(I don't know).

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 5:30 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/scotty-startrek-im-giving-her-all-shes-got-gif-13396526

Tenor

young sigil Jul 25, 2021, 5:33 AM

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LaserGRBL is better software if your laser cutter works with it.

full birch Jul 25, 2021, 5:46 AM

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I'm having Creality 3D laser engraver

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It is drawing in outline mode properly

worldly sierra Jul 25, 2021, 6:17 AM

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full birch Jul 25, 2021, 6:22 AM

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I'm able to engrave in outline mode very well, the problem starts when I go with Black/White mode

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And for PCB I want black/white mode 🙄

young sigil Jul 25, 2021, 6:38 AM

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You might be better off asking here: https://forums.creality3dofficial.com/community/

hushed basalt Jul 25, 2021, 7:00 AM

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worldly sierra

A lot of Women actually do like racoons though

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last cedar Jul 25, 2021, 7:08 AM

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worldly sierra

YES

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I love raccoons ❤️

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 7:59 AM

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So one of the supervisors at work over at the fire system side of things came up with a business idea based on powerline communications that he brought up with me because he heard of my networking background and that I was working on my own smarthome with HA. I assume he's so hooked on the idea because some commercial fire systems seem to use it; but I really need to shoot it down for any other purpose because on either new homes/buildings, or on retrofits, I just don't see how you'd make it the preferred technology...

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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If you have any HAM operators or similar, just get them involved and stand clear of the blast zone

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 8:02 AM

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hahaha

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well my father's also sent me a bunch of radio related things he wanted me to help look into running on a pi, so I'm in that rock and hard place situation

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Powerline is ok, but if it was going to take off it would have by now

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I've used it myself, and know many people who have. It's so reliant on the individual property's wiring that no two experiences are the same, and many experiences are just pain

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 8:07 AM

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that was my first consideration.

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I'm also thinking of all the non-technically-inclined sparkies doing work after the fact messing things up too

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 8:08 AM

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If they don't understand what it is, and how it works, then it's a roll of the dice every time

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If they do understand, it's likely still a roll of the dice

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 8:09 AM

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makes more sense to me that you leave the wiring to be its 230V, 50Hz self and let the end devices communicate in their own way, zigbee or zwave or whatnot is the more obvious play.

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also means that in general you can look at the communication occurring without physically risking contact with voltages we have rules to keep out of contact from

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 8:13 AM

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If you want wired communication, good old copper network cables are reliable and easy to run, and fibre isn't that hard to run either

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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I mean we prefer to do most of our cabling before the walls are clad (gyprocked). He seems to thing that for retrofitting it's quicker to install these behind the GPOs, switches, lighting, etc but that's still what zigbee devices are for.

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 AM

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blobcsignyes

worthy rune Jul 25, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Hi, is there an appropriate place to ask for help with HACS folding entity row here? HACS Discord server states to go to the git hub or HA, discord. I don't have a problem, just looking for help with .yaml styling.

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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.topic

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Ah yes, bot's on fire

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Check the channel topics 😉

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In your case, anything to do with the frontend, the UI, belongs in the #frontend-archived channel

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HACS is just a glorified downloader

worthy rune Jul 25, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Thanks tinkerer

last cedar Jul 25, 2021, 11:33 AM

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wintry hazel So one of the supervisors at work over at the fire system side of things came up...

Fire alarms that are address able basically just create a gaint network from 2 cables, it is pretty cool tbh.

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But I am not personally a fan of putting that in with 230V.

I wouldn't have anything against a poe like standard that worked for almost everything else, though

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Well if you want to string them all together in a run that’s cbus and I hate it

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But yes, I get addressable fire systems I just don’t agree in utilizing it for GPO and light circuits

last cedar Jul 25, 2021, 11:36 AM

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It is nice though, run a pair cable to any point and have a siren, or address box, relay cards, smoke detector, super nice

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Yeah, I think really we are half way between a traditional light circuit and a constant live. With these modern bulbs, they control themselves, light switches are no longer useful

wintry hazel Jul 25, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Switches as a method of control are still very necessary. I would argue that in a loss of software control or hardware fault, the end user should still be able to switch off the leg of the circuit at least.

last cedar Jul 25, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Mmm, can be done at the breaker though.

Planning new house wiring now, gone with switches anyway, I won't have electronic lighting in garage etc, and it is useful to turn on if motion sensor is dead, or remote is missing, etc

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But we are almost there :D

fallen patio Jul 25, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I've been thinking of an idea for smart locking door, someone pick holes in it?

basically i would use a 2-pin EEPROM chip like https://uk.farnell.com/microchip/at21cs11-stu10-t/eeprom-1kbit-i2c-sot-23-3/dp/2857580 to store a 64 or 128 bit key for each user, and then use an ESP32 running a custom esphome component. when the esphome picks up the EEPROM connecting, it'll read out the key and send it to home assistant to check the identity. if it matches the identity of a user with permissions to open the door, it can send a signal to the smart lock and optionally a push notification / light up a screen or whatever

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physically for the connector i wanted to use a 1/4" (6.35mm) audio jack like https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1sjytelTH8KJjy0Fiq6ARsXXaa/2Pcs-Gold-Plated-Soldering-6-35mm-3-Pole-Male-1-4-Stereo-Jack-Plug-with-Spring.jpg with the chip hidden inside it, and a big coil of thick metal soldered in to make it into a keyring. Obviously for an external door you'd need to pot or otherwise waterproof it, and the ESP32 connection would need to be electrically insulated or something, but i think it could be a neat locking mechanism

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Feels like a support question... take it to a support channel please.

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#diy-archived would be suitable.

fallen patio Jul 25, 2021, 2:56 PM

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it's not so much support because i don't really plan to build it immediately and i kinda know how i'd build it, but i wanted to see if anyone could find any holes in the security of it

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how do i move a message?

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 2:57 PM

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'how can I do this thing with HA?' = support

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You delete your message and post it there instead.

low harness Jul 25, 2021, 2:58 PM

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You may want to take a look at the iButton.

late gate Jul 25, 2021, 3:48 PM

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I caught a porch pirate yesterday!

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all hail frigate!

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I actually got the package back

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 3:52 PM

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‘95% Porch Pirate’

late gate Jul 25, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Yeah. I got a notification, did see the person took the package, and I ran out

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The person dropped it and ran

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 3:56 PM

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I thought that was just an American thing

late gate Jul 25, 2021, 3:58 PM

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I thought so too

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I wondered a bit cause I have a light sensor in the mailbox

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and it was out so many times

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I think they usually check what it is and get afraid when it blinks

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 4:02 PM

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BOMB!

late gate Jul 25, 2021, 4:05 PM

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So now I got 10x WAF on cameras and frigate

river knot Jul 25, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Does Home Assistant support SONOFF?, searched that and ewelink and no result in the integrations tab in the web site.

velvet horizonBOT Jul 25, 2021, 5:03 PM

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The topic of this channel is:

@river knot There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Please read channel topics. You want #integrations-archived

river knot Jul 25, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Sorry, thanks.

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Hellllllllo

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 6:18 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/hello-jerry-seinfeld-uncle-uncleleo-gif-20382940

Tenor

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Which channel Invalid encryption key request

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??

cedar chasm Jul 25, 2021, 6:45 PM

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static schooner https://tenor.com/view/hello-jerry-seinfeld-uncle-uncleleo-gif-20382940

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-uncle-leo-phone-gif-21459397

Tenor

spiral basin Jul 25, 2021, 6:46 PM

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I'm super confused as to why so many smart plugs have controllable USB ports. I have never in my life wanted to automate turning on power for a USB port, is there any use case for that ?

cedar chasm Jul 25, 2021, 6:47 PM

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I use it to charge my phone for 3 hours per night

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:47 PM

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fallow karma Which channel *Invalid encryption key request*

See the channel topic

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Yeah, so many of them

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:49 PM

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facepalm

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The one right here

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Oh!

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I know topic of THIS channel

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 6:51 PM

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it's a channel about nothing

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I doubt it, or you wouldn't have asked that question here

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Try reading it again 😉

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I did it many times, don't worry

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But i don't know English, that's the main problem

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😉 😆

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:52 PM

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I don't think that's the main problem 😛

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:53 PM

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main problem is, that it's difficult to find proper channel sometimes

velvet horizonBOT Jul 25, 2021, 6:53 PM

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The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Which is why this one clearly tells you where to go when you can't work it out

fallow karma Jul 25, 2021, 6:54 PM

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But my worries is that no one reads #general-archived

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😆

clever mortar Jul 25, 2021, 6:54 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/nope-stupid-slap-in-the-face-phone-gif-15151334

Tenor

cedar chasm Jul 25, 2021, 6:57 PM

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static schooner it's a channel about nothing

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-nothing-george-jerry-nada-gif-19873307

Tenor

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Aussies are officially nuts: https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/or9s1i/motorcycle_chariot_racing_in_australia_1936/

r/gifs - Motorcycle Chariot Racing in Australia (1936)

1,293 votes and 42 comments so far on Reddit

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 7:25 PM

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that looks like it would be fine until becomes very much not fine

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:32 PM

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vs what? just racing on the bike itself

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Putting handlebar control 10ft back at the end of ropes seems like it would be much, much harder to regain control

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:37 PM

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They're not even controlling a single motorbike either. They're each controlling a pair.

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No idea how you rig that up 'safely'.

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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there is a strut system linking the two bikes which pretty much makes them 4 wheel no leaning. looks less dangerous then if they were horses to me

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Horses don't usually explode when something goes wrong.

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:40 PM

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oh i dunno. spontaneous combustion is a real thing

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Except for the bit where it's not.

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:42 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/traffic-jam-horses-horse-crash-car-gif-13475899

Tenor

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motorcycles don't general explode either when something goes wrong just to be clear

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:44 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/explosion-bike-accident-accident-bicycle-bike-gif-4464832

Tenor

Bike accident - Explosion

▶ Play video

static schooner Jul 25, 2021, 7:44 PM

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I feel like I've been lied to by every movie ever

cedar chasm Jul 25, 2021, 7:44 PM

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I mean, with real horses, maybe they wouldn't run splat into a wall or something if the rider let go of the reins

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or maybe they would

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neither a horse nor motorcycle-person

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:45 PM

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static schooner I feel like I've been lied to by every movie ever

real life is so boring

deft pewter Jul 25, 2021, 7:46 PM

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static schooner I feel like I've been lied to by every movie ever

Most movies get crashes completely wrong. The most accurate director has got to be Michael Bay.

forest edge Jul 25, 2021, 7:46 PM

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yea anyone who dosen't see sun flares everywhere has got to have vision issues

hushed basalt Jul 25, 2021, 11:51 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/rvg6oHjZR1cAAAAM/lensflare-jjabrams.gif

next delta Jul 26, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Anyone here use Owntone (forked-daapd) for whole home audio?

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 AM

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that gives me the worst of ideas

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have a location tracker that adjusts the volume of main speakers depending on my location

next delta Jul 26, 2021, 5:29 AM

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That would be pretty cool, or even better track the wife and turn down the music when she comes close 😛

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If i could get the dam thing installed 😦

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 AM

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I live alone 🙂

next delta Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Track the neighbors and crank it when they are out?

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 5:32 AM

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I already have an automation to adjust volume during night time 😄

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don't need to blast my neighbours when I wake up at 3am and want to work on something...

next delta Jul 26, 2021, 5:41 AM

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do you run owntone?

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 5:42 AM

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no. I have a Yamaha receiver that's supported by HA

next delta Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 AM

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Ah fair, ive got chromecasts all over the house..., getting them to work in a user friendly way is a challenge ive been fighting for years.

Im so close to a really good solution, but theres always one piece that doesnt fit right

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I have a tiny flat. All of my rooms are connected to the living room with at most 1 in between room (my corridor)
so yea, no reason to go multi, yet

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:45 AM

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I'm going to have to begrudgingly admit that Scotland have good exports other than whisky and salmon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdQEbNVQg_E

YouTube

Biffy Clyro

Biffy Clyro - The Champ (Official Audio)

The official audio for Biffy Clyro – The Champ

The Champ is taken from Biffy Clyro's new album "A Celebration of Endings" released 14th August 2020. Get your copy here: http://biffyclyro.co/acelebrationofendings

Listen to the album A Celebration of Endings, featuring: Instant History, End Of, Tiny Indoor Fireworks, Weird Leisure & Space on Yo...

▶ Play video

late gate Jul 26, 2021, 9:10 AM

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Any docker gurus here? (no, not HA docker) - I am trying to build up a more logical docker structure, and have until now used mcvlan to setup seperate IP for instances. This is good and fine, and no issues with amount of leases, but can be messy. For example AI, I would like to gather compreface, facebox, frigate and double take under one ip, in one bridge, but with one vlan ip. Is this possible?

hushed basalt Jul 26, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Why can't you just use standard docker networks with internal dns

late gate Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 AM

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You mean keeping it on the host with bridge and custom port?

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 10:02 AM

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late gate Any docker gurus here? (no, not HA docker) - I am trying to build up a more logi...

technically: yes
easy: no
native in docker: don't know, I don't do docker much

late gate Jul 26, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Im just trying to figure out a better method than one ip with a million different ports to use, and something I would like to restrict to vlan for firewall purposes

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 10:09 AM

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and you don't like your macvlan anymore because?

late gate Jul 26, 2021, 10:15 AM

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No problem, but I still would like to group related things to a sub network

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Just feel cleaner

glacial knot Jul 26, 2021, 10:58 AM

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subnet can be a bit different than sharing an IP
But I feel like you need to start at some networking basics

If you want proper subnets, you'll have to add the routes, either push them with dhcp, or have them on your default gateway and then just do some routing
if you want a couple of IPs on your normal net, you'll need a machine to own that IP (either your host, or a special container/vm) and then do some internal redirection. Either via port forwarding, or some kind of hostname or port based firewall redirections

regal hornet Jul 26, 2021, 1:02 PM

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not really off-topic. I'm trying to join https://community.home-assistant.io/, but apparently @outlook.com mail address doesn't work for now. The signup mail never arrives... Can anyone confirm this?

hearty depot Jul 26, 2021, 1:13 PM

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bruuuhhh.. crap
my zigbee pi is currently dying.. not cool..
need more relyable hardware 😑

clever mortar Jul 26, 2021, 1:19 PM

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regal hornet not really off-topic. I'm trying to join https://community.home-assistant.io/, b...

There's been issues on and off with MS marking the email service used as spam

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Looking at the logs there, it's happening again

regal hornet Jul 26, 2021, 1:33 PM

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thx for your answer, bummer, I burned my username ;-).... maybe I'll wait, maybe it gets working again

clever mortar Jul 26, 2021, 1:34 PM

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DM me and I'll see if I can change the email address for you

regal hornet Jul 26, 2021, 1:58 PM

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thx, sent you a DM

orchid rose Jul 26, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Fucking Google... Why did they move the gesture stuff from Android 11 to pixels only... Now I can't use them without additional apps with a 3rd party launcher

dusky plank Jul 26, 2021, 3:48 PM

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for real!

orchid rose Jul 26, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Actually it might be a Xiaomi thing, they like to do this sort of thing too

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Thankfully there's a workaround at least using Fluid NG. https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/ltuoey/navigation_gestures_not_working_on_miui_global/h49ysph?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Hurrah. I'm finally above average at something:

More than 40% of adults in England have gained weight during the pandemic, a survey suggests, with the average gain being half a stone (just over 3kg).

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😅

static schooner Jul 26, 2021, 5:05 PM

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ya gotta have goals

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you're going to die somehow, so if not Covid, then morbid obesity

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:06 PM

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old age is coming for every last one of us

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as the default scenario

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Eh... I don't want to die of old age. Gimme something more exciting.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:07 PM

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human cannonball experiments

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Taking one for the team

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:08 PM

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If I ever go down with something like cancer or Alzheimer's, I'd prefer euthanasia. I want to die on my terms.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:10 PM

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I think a less dogmatic perspective on euthanasia would be good

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As long as the state doesn't start cold calling people, nudge nudge

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https://tenor.com/view/wink-wink-nudge-nudge-monty-python-wink-signal-gif-5500109

Tenor

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:21 PM

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cedar chasm As long as the state doesn't start cold calling people, nudge nudge

It's generally in the state's interest to keep people alive for as long as possible. It'll be private insurance companies doing the cold-calling...

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Might be different this side of the pond

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 PM

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How does it benefit the state? Don't older folk end up being more of a burden?

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 PM

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but basically I was projecting my own dark concerns, maybe the world is better

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:25 PM

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deft pewter How does it benefit the state? Don't older folk end up being more of a burden?

On insurance, yes. lol

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But the state wants them around for census / voting / tax reasons.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:26 PM

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More pronounced welfare states might have a different calculus

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but again, hopefully I'm the only person thinking this shit

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 PM

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I realise you don't have the same welfare systems as other nations... but I don't see how there's a net gain by keeping them around.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Yeah, this reasoning applies to the current capitalist nightmare that is the US

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 PM

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(note: I'm not advocating killing off old folk)

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 PM

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me neither

clever mortar Jul 26, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Kill everybody at age 30 and be done with it

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||If you don't get the reference, you're not old enough||

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I got that reference!

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I'm showing my age now 😦

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 PM

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It's that movie they parodied once in Family Guy

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Logan's Run or whatever

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:28 PM

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deft pewter I realise you don't have the same welfare systems as other nations... but I don'...

People often continue working well into their 60's and 70's, and continue purchasing and voting well after that. Why would the state want to cut that off early?

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:29 PM

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To free up housing?

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again, not me advocating

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:29 PM

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I'd say it's atypical for older folk to be earning more (and therefore paying more taxes) than younger folk.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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The current housing crisis is more to do with housing being too expensive, not housing being unavailable

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Why's it too expensive?

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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AirBNB !!

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And Chia

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Blame Chia for everything.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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(Chia part was a joke)

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Airbnb wouldn't be such an issue if there were more properties.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 PM

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@deft pewter Because landlords want to extract as much money from tenants as possible

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 PM

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AirBnB is basically the crypto currency of housing, when it's unchecked

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 PM

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So build more houses 🤷‍♂️

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:31 PM

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There are houses sitting empty in my city. lol

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They won't sell, asking price is too high

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:32 PM

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rich people buying up second, third and fourth homes to "not be hotels"

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 PM

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The prices will drop until they reach a point where both parties are happy. That's how negotiating works.

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I could ask for several million for my house (it's not worth that...). That doesn't make me the problem... I just have to adjust my expectations if I actually want to sell.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Yeah, the whole market is overdue for a correction

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Currently, demand is high, AND prices are high, but no houses are moving off the market because the prices are too high

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 PM

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I managed to grab a house that costs less than 3x my wage :D

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 PM

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So it'll correct soon

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:34 PM

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So people are stuck renting... which is also an expensive money pit

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Which makes them even less able to afford a house

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:35 PM

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last cedar I managed to grab a house that costs less than 3x my wage :D

We're going to stretch to 5x my salary next time... but then my wife's salary is all just 'spare', and her career's progressing nicely too.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Is "house's value as a function of salary" a meaningful metric?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:36 PM

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For affordability, sure...

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Do you want to have to borrow 10x or 15x your salary?

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:37 PM

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What's the equity requirement for a mortgage in the UK?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:37 PM

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In the UK, somewhere around 4-5x salary is typically the most a lender will consider.

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Equity as in downpayments? Used to be 10%, some lenders now expect 20% after the last economic crisis.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Doing the math, we're at 4.2x if you only count one of our incomes. 2x if you count both of our incomes. 🤷‍♀️

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Not all lenders count both here. Or if they do, the second income isn't worth as much.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 PM

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We both earn about the same amount, which helps. lol

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 PM

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I wouldn't wanna stretch too far anyway. 5x my income will get us a pretty nice place out of town, and we're both working remotely forever now.

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Here they want 15% as cash and very reluctant to loan

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Unless you already own something

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Then you can more or less buy what you want, it seems

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:39 PM

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last cedar Unless you already own something

That's the other thing... we might be able to save enough to keep our first house and rent it out. I can become one of those evil landlords Leapo loves so much 😄

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Raccoons are the best landlords

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:40 PM

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I don't know anyone who's been successful at that scheme, but give it a go man...

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:40 PM

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Smelly appartment - fine

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Trash everywhere - even better

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:40 PM

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The whole "keep your first house and rent it out" thing always winds up being too much of a burden

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Renting out a single house generally isn't worth the overhead

royal fossil Jul 26, 2021, 5:43 PM

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cedar chasm My TrueNAS striped volume made up of the leftover disks from my Synology is up a...

If you have not installed HA yet I recommend to go with the community plug-in.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 PM

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And renting a single property also leaves you with absolutely no cushion when you're between tenants, so you're stuck footing the bill for both properties until you can rent it out... and rent it out for a price where you're not losing money on the deal.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Thanks aDamDr, but the TrueNAS isn't really part of the production environment here 🙂

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For now I'm just chuffed it exists and will play with it whenever the mood takes me

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:45 PM

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subtle pasture Renting out a single house generally isn't worth the overhead

What overhead? I'd have an agency do all the work for me. Just means someone else would be paying my mortgage off for me while they're living in it. I'm not expecting to get filthy rich.

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:46 PM

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deft pewter What overhead? I'd have an agency do all the work for me. Just means someone els...

But wait, that isn't the way!

royal fossil Jul 26, 2021, 5:46 PM

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cedar chasm For now I'm just chuffed it exists and will play with it whenever the mood takes...

Are you playing with Scale (Linux) or Core (freebsd)

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Core

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Interesting that Scale is a different OS 😮

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:48 PM

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deft pewter What overhead? I'd have an agency do all the work for me. Just means someone els...

And the agency will just float all costs on the property when it's between tenants? That's a sweet deal, if so.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Some guarantee occupancy, yes.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Upkeep wouldn't be a monthly thing, in most cases but yeah, money would have to be put aside

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Upkeep, property taxes, etc.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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We looked into it when we thought we might be moving abroad for a year. Would've just broken even.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Maybe there's a bad storm and it suddenly needs a major roof repair. Who knows...

static schooner Jul 26, 2021, 5:49 PM

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I took a bath on my last house when I sold it to someone who rented it out, held it until the price doubled, then sold it to the renters 🙂

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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subtle pasture Upkeep, property taxes, etc.

Paid by the tenant

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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subtle pasture Maybe there's a bad storm and it suddenly needs a major roof repair. Who knows.....

Covered by insurance.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Like I said, what about between tenants?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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#the-water-cooler message

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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And who's paying the insurance?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I am... a whole £20 or so a month.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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You can't guarantee occupancy in this market. lol

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:50 PM

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We don't live in the same market...

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Rental properties are easy to fill here, even away from London.

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Fair, renting-out a property in the UK is likely completely different than renting in the US

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Like I said earlier, I haven't seen anyone over here make the "rent your previous home out" thing work...

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Knowing myself though, the roof being blown off scenario would probably put me off continuing in the landlord game

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tenant would probably leave, I'd pay for the renovations and then put the property on the market

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 5:56 PM

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cedar chasm Knowing myself though, the roof being blown off scenario would probably put me o...

Do you even get storms capable of this? We certainly don't 😄

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I've seen a couple of loose roof tiles on my street once and that was a 'big' storm for us 😄

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 5:56 PM

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cedar chasm Interesting that Scale is a different OS 😮

Just a linux version :P

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:56 PM

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deft pewter Do you even get storms capable of this? We certainly don't 😄

I'll take it as a stand-in for some other cataclysmic event

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 5:57 PM

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last cedar Just a linux version :P

I guess so 😮

subtle pasture Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 PM

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I'm just reminded of my parents situation with a wood-shingle roof. They were forced to replace the entire roof after a storm because roofing codes had changed, and nobody was legally allowed to repair their current roof.

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Weird shit happens 🤷‍♀️

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 PM

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catch 22, paragraph a

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Sure, Joseph

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:06 PM

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@last cedar ready for breakfast.

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 7:09 PM

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@bitter pawn gimme dat gorbage

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:10 PM

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fresh out of garbage, but i do have a spare floor mat.

last cedar Jul 26, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhh

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But I can't eat doormats

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:13 PM

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anything is edible if you are brave enough. ask @deft pewter

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lolz xD

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I... don't get it

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 7:20 PM

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is there a HACS discord?

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 7:21 PM

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neon hawk is there a HACS discord?

https://discord.gg/GBXcbMQ6

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I have it muted though, so can't speak to whether it is where the party is at

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:24 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-kung-fu-cat-sway-swag-gif-15161937

Tenor

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Talking of parties... just made a Manhattan. Instead of garnishing it with cherries, I added a dash of the cherry syrup. It's delicious 🤤

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:45 PM

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manhattans are pretty heavy iirc

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i mean its mostly just whiskey.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 7:45 PM

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thanks @cedar chasm

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:46 PM

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so i guess it depends on the type of whiskey you use

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Rye in this one. Finishing up a bottle before I try a bourbon.

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I like 'short' cocktails. None of that soda nonsense 😄

bitter pawn Jul 26, 2021, 7:50 PM

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idk im fine with a rum and coke

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or tangurie and sprite.

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but thats more like a beer replacement vs. a fancy cocktail

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:51 PM

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He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink.

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He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink.

orchid rose Jul 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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hey, I'm drinking a manhattan too

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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He sings the songs that reminds him of the good times

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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I'll have long drinks when it's hot. Which is... not very often here.

orchid rose Jul 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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no cherry tho

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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You don't garnish yours with a couple of maraschino cherries on pretentious metal cocktail sticks?

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They add a lovely tang... and then you can eat the whisky-infused cherries at the end.

orchid rose Jul 26, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Can't get maraschino cherries around here so no. Otherwise I totally would

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We're a backwards country, what can I say

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 7:54 PM

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You convinced me. Now I have to drink alcohol. Any.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Little water?

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Thanks, no. Fish f*cks in the water.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:10 PM

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with organisms everywhere, I don't think there is any substance or surface on earth that is not involved in some level of copulation

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it's best not to think about it

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:12 PM

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fallow karma Thanks, no. Fish f*cks in the water.

Nooo... I meant wodka.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:18 PM

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My absolute favorite British person memory is that time I was at a festival in Denmark standing in line for food and roughly the equivalent of Ribena soft drink, "saft".
Suddenly I hear two stereotypical British yobbos behind me noticing the line they are in isn't for alcohol and emoting "They're in line for BLOODY SAFT!"

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Absolute legends

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:20 PM

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deft pewter Nooo... I meant wodka.

Nah, i be got few bottles, but not opened yet.

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Whiskey is uncorked

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:23 PM

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lol I live in Amsterdam but I am from the the UK - yes I know that hear a British accent sinking feeling

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:23 PM

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If you're a Brit, you know we're not all bad...

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It's a small minority that give us a bad name abroad.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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for sure but so many stag do's etc

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and here ppl come just to get hammered no matter what

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:24 PM

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Norwegian yobbos exist as well but their antics are too close to home for me to enjoy 🙂

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:25 PM

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neon hawk for sure but so many stag do's etc

I live in Newcastle... we get all the Irish over here trashing our city... while the locals go to Ireland to trash theirs 🤦‍♂️

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:25 PM

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why the Irish?

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it seems like a long way to come

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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There are plenty of cheap flights between the cities... and they want to drink 'somewhere else'.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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ahh easyjetters

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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So we swap a few thousand drunkards every weekend.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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I'm sure the non-yobbo Irish do not suffer Irish yobbos gladly, hence travel

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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cedar chasm I'm sure the non-yobbo Irish do not suffer Irish yobbos gladly, hence travel

I hear they built walls.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:26 PM

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import/export of yobbos

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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It is a lucrative trade

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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haha

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i must say amsterdam has been wonderful without the tourists

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I can see that; I have been a Norwegian yobbo there at least once

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I guess you at least have enough local business that you don't care about the loss.

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Some cities are struggling without travel.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:28 PM

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well before Covid the local council decided to stop advertising the city abroad and try to cut back on tourists

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and try to change the yobbos attitude to coming here

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Unfortunately, we all know about Amsterdam already 😂

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It'll take decades for the culture to change.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:29 PM

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yeah it will thats for sure

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air bnb has been the breaking point for a lot of locals

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Yeah, no one likes Airbnb...

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:29 PM

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neon hawk air bnb has been the breaking point for a lot of locals

the chia of housing

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:29 PM

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It was convenient as an alternative to hotels at first. Now it's a scourge.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:30 PM

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It is convenient

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the downfall of society always is

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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well theres my next gripe - Uber and all the bloody food delivery companies

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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What about them?

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Amsterdam is flat as a pancake so very easy to bike about and use scooters

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:32 PM

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My wife doesn't cook, i like food delivery

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Eh... nothing wrong with the concepts. The sidestepping workers rights part... that's not so good.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:33 PM

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they are everywhere all the time and use electric scooters - u dont hear them and u get young uns cutting up all other traffic on them

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Workers rights is. You work you get paid?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Seems like a self-balancing problem. If there are too many of them driving like tits, some will die. When some die, the rest will behave better.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:34 PM

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dull chasm Workers rights is. You work you get paid?

Maybe in the US. In the rest of the world, we also get guaranteed PTO, parental leave, pensions, medical cover, etc, etc.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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And we like it

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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None of that 'at will' nonsense either. We're well protected.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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i get all of that from the UK and more in NL

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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That’s benefits right that come from advancing ur career

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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more rights for workers here

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:35 PM

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I don't know what are workers rights in Uber here , in Poland. I can't ask drivers, because they mostly doesn't speak Polish 😆

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:36 PM

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dull chasm That’s benefits right that come from advancing ur career

lol, no... they're rights. Why shouldn't someone have them?

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'Sorry, you haven't worked here for 5 years yet, so you can't take PTO'. That's bull.

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And the 'unlimited PTO' culture is even worse. Everyone's too scared to actually take it in case they're deemed as taking too much.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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i get 13 months pay a year

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the extra month is my " Holiday money"

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each person here gets this even by most agencies

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Comunism XD

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:37 PM

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its paid out tax free at the end of June

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Creative accounting

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but what's wrong with that

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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we have the same thing but it is based on your skill set .....so companys that need quality employee 's offer that ....for example mine

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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this means everyone working has money to spend on their 25 days min holiday

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:38 PM

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dull chasm we have the same thing but it is based on your skill set .....so companys that n...

Why do you think that's okay? Why shouldn't someone working in Walmart get PTO? They need downtime too.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:39 PM

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those ppl are failures mono

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:39 PM

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i dont ...if they are a valued employee that provide a assest to them then they will get it

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:39 PM

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they should pick themselves up by the bootstraps!

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:39 PM

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When, Vasiley?

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:39 PM

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walmart for example does offer that

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Now I've got some kind of PTO too, but 15 years i had my own small business, so i had nothin'. So called Free medical care , when you have to wait few years for medical procedure

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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i pay 145 euro a month for medical care and thats all in ( apart from the first 360 euro per year)

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Being self-employed is different though. You knew the deal when you decided to be your own boss.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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neon hawk i pay 145 euro a month for medical care and thats all in ( apart from the first ...

You pay? That's disgusting 😄

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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haha yeah but no PAYE

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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I know the UK isn't perfect but the NHS is pretty good.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:41 PM

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oh I know that

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Ugh. I just moved to the next band for PAYE 😢

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Talking about PTO. May pay is two part: base and bonus

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

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we just have taxes taken out and thats it

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you do have to legally be insured tho but you make your own deal for this

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:42 PM

#

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I toke off work today to set them post ...

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about killed me ....110 f heat index

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:44 PM

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So mine PTO is just a base payment , which is official minimum wage

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:44 PM

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what's that in real money?

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haha my grandad always used to say that

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:44 PM

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im prolly close to his age LOL

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:45 PM

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43,3333 C

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damm thats hot

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i am a ghostly white European I would melt in that

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 8:45 PM

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dull chasm

you believed the voice in the corn field about the, "build it and they will come" huh

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:46 PM

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yea no shit huh @forest edge

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theres only about 1000 acres of cow fields behind my place ...which everything you see in pic is mine plus more

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

Tenor

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 8:47 PM

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dont be hating with your little teabags @deft pewter

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we can give you a extra pto for pain and suffering

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:49 PM

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its funny cos just last month the place I was working from an agency got took over and I got a permanent contract and first talk with HR i asked about booking holidays 😉

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i got two weeks off in Sept and 4 days off in August

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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I banked so much holiday with the job I just quit that I didn't have to work 3 of my 4 weeks notice 😂

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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I have 42 days total this year

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Gave them a week's notice and fucked off.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:51 PM

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they couldnt really say no tho cos I had to take holiday at year end i had unused cos they wont roll over

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42 days is a lot - were you working 70 hour weeks last year?

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Nope, had some unused days last year, and not sure if my HR didn't made mistake 😃

clever mortar Jul 26, 2021, 8:55 PM

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deft pewter Gave them a week's notice and fucked off.

There is a lot of fun doing that.

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:57 PM

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I even warned my boss that it was coming, either from me or others.

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No-one's been taking time off this year, and a lot of people are unhappy.

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I don't even feel bad about it. I worked hard for my remaining week, handed over stuff I couldn't complete, and enjoyed some well-earned rest 😄

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:57 PM

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nice one

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u got something else lined up?

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Yeah, started the new job today.

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I'd never quit without having another job ready.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:59 PM

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i totally changed my job during covid

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Managed a pretty decent raise out of it too, so I'm pretty chuffed.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 8:59 PM

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went from IT to HGV

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Interesting direction 😄

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:00 PM

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and lost a LOT of stress in the time

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Ah, I'd be more stressed if I had to drive for a living. It was bad enough commuting (which I also don't have to do now).

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:00 PM

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i bloody love it

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driving a 13M long trailer around the tiny streets of Amsterdam is a huge challenge

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i drive international moves also - went to Malaga last month

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:03 PM

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We need a bot command for metres to freedom units.

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What's that, 40ft?

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45?

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Eddie Stobart size

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:04 PM

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I heard he's a fatty.

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:05 PM

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its funny cos i have had a HGV on my UK licence for years - I swapped my licence over to an NL one and it all came over

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:06 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

Tenor

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:06 PM

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all i had to do here was a short theory course and two hours driving with a trainer

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not been in a truck for 20 years and i literally blagged it

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i read all the time that UK is short of drivers at the mo

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I meet a lot of European drivers over here cos we do hand offs of trailers in motorway services a lot

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noone wants to go to UK at all cos of all the new brexit resterictions

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:11 PM

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plus driving on the left

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:11 PM

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yes its a bloody pain in a truck i can tell u

low harness Jul 26, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Just do some practice at home before going and you'll be fine.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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I did it once in Japan

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:12 PM

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u have a lot of angles mapped in your head for the back of the truck u see

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reversing into streets the other way round in the cab is odd

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first time i did it there was a bus stop full of people in morning rush hour and i had to go in backwards down a tight street to a building site

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i had to get out 3 times and keep checking i wasnt about to flatten the bus stop onto the people

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:21 PM

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cedar chasm plus driving on the left

This is the only way to drive.

cedar chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Maybe back in the days of Arthurian legend

low harness Jul 26, 2021, 9:25 PM

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*Sigh
I’m sitting here with this and a thumb that met the business end of a hammer earlier today…

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:26 PM

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if the UK ever joins back to the EU we should make them change to the right way to drive as punishment

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:27 PM

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🤢

neon hawk Jul 26, 2021, 9:27 PM

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and make Greggs export sausage rolls

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even Greggs shitty ones are ten times better than Dutch sausage rolls

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Greggs sausage rolls are vile 🤢

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M&S sausage rolls ftw.

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Maybe I will do truck licence as well. For free, my company will pay for it

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:42 PM

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dull chasm theres only about 1000 acres of cow fields behind my place ...which everything y...

do you actually have cows?

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 PM

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But we have licence categories, and they want me to make "C" , and it's all vehicles above 3,5t permissible gross weight, but without a trailer

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 PM

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@forest edge yes and one mean hiefer sitting next to me

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 PM

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they yours or you renting out the land?

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:45 PM

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mine..18 questions left

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:45 PM

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oh gross

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why in gods earth do you wanmna deal with that directly?

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:46 PM

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the hiefer siiting next to me?

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:46 PM

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you only have 1?

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:46 PM

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i think you are dense

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:46 PM

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I think you are experincing heat stroke

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:47 PM

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no damnt ....the heifer sitting next to me or the ones in the field

deft pewter Jul 26, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Down to 16 now

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:48 PM

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no shit mono thanks

fallow karma Jul 26, 2021, 9:48 PM

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If Vasiley sounds little Russian, maybe that land is Колхоз?

forest edge Jul 26, 2021, 9:49 PM

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he just spends too much time with his heifer

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don't ask why it's mean

dull chasm Jul 26, 2021, 9:50 PM

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most heifers come in 600 to 800 lbs....the one next to me is 100 lbs and meaner than them all