the-water-cooler

[last cedar]

Not wise in the arts of parcour

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jump-fail-gif-13203891

Or doormat stealing

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-binatang-hewan-pencuri-curi-gif-11069677

[orchid rose]

Shit, all raccoons look the same age to me. I'll ask for an ID before my next massage

[static schooner]

"but the hands were so tiny and nimble, officer!"

[peak mountain]

Does anyone here run Sonarr?

[young sigil]

No. I wouldn't download a car.

[peak mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-download-a-car-piracy-its-a-crime-download-a-handbag-download-a-computer-gif-17133478

Honestly I would totally download a car if I could

[subtle pasture]

Stupid Android tricks:

Got SSHed into my non-rooted phone

Pretty sure I could run HomeAssistant this way 🤔

[forest edge]

running ha isn't the issue. it's the ticking time bomb that is the battery since majority of phones will not continue to run on a dead battery regardless if they are plugged into a charger or not

finally got around to scraping this old dell xps 400 someone dumped on me awhile back. this thing is crazy. it's all quick release shit on the inside of the case, even the side panel pops off with a spring loaded release lever on the top

the whole case is mainly cooled by this elaborate shroud dell built for the cpu cooler. never seen anything like it. the heatsink on this cpu is massive

[hearty depot]

Might have an idea how phones decide that it is a fine battery?
Must be something with resistance.
One plan once was to entirely skip the charger and just solder on the USB cable to the battery connector

[young sigil]

My whole PC case is a heatsink. https://www.quietpc.com/tnn500af

[deft pewter]

gold-plated heatpipes
🤦‍♂️

[hearty depot]

Lol.. should have used this case for my ceph build

[deft pewter]

Yes, for my Linux videos. Why?

[young sigil]

It's 15 years old and still going strong. It was about 1000 pacific clams, which was quite a bit for me back then. Reckon I've got my money's worth though. Replaced the MB a few times, silent power supply once, silent graphics card a couple of times.

[deft pewter]

Oh, it looks like a great case. Just some of the shit they've thrown in there for the gullible...

It's almost up there with gold-plated optical cables.

[young sigil]

I'm probably going to update it when Windows 11 drops. Not compatible. The tricky bit is fitting the CPU cooling block to form factors that didn't exist back then.

[deft pewter]

I'm almost tempted to build custom closed-loop liquid cooling next time. It always seemed like too much hassle before but it'll give me something to do.

[glacial knot]

hard glass tubes!

[young sigil]

Check this out: https://youtu.be/UiPec2epHfc

Or don't. I just looked at the prices.

[deft pewter]

Sounds like a gimmick

[young sigil]

Seemed to work quite well. But yeah, how often does a stationary system leak?

[clever mortar]

If done correctly, with quality gear, rarely

The challenge is usually both of those - or when the time comes to flush it

I've known folks who've run it for years without issues, and others who screwed it up right out of the gate

[deft pewter]

I'd be the latter

[clever mortar]

I suppose you could always fit a leak sensor inside the PC 😛

[deft pewter]

Could someone recommend one? 😮

[clever mortar]

Just wait for the PC to fail mysteriously. Then you've likely got a water leak

[subtle pasture]

Heh, true, though all of my phones that have removable batteries will run without the battery installed

LG G3 will run all day with no battery + USB power

Unfortunately, everything newer than that has a sealed battery 😢

I've seen a few guides for tricking newer devices into thinking they have a battery installed

And in some instances, you need to power the device via the battery terminals, rather than via USB, because the battery can deliver more amps than USB is capable of, and high load could cause a brownout without a battery (or suitable power source on those pins) present

[hearty depot]

just trying to get a appointment for vacination - god deam impossible to change the date the page basicaly says to me today of go fuck yourself

[young sigil]

The only option I had was in 30 days time. No fing wonder our vaccination rates are so low.

[clever mortar]

Here the trick is to keep checking, multiple times a day. You need to get lucky and get in after somebody cancels or rearranges theirs

[past nova]

here's an off topic idea: I realize that I ask for help and you guys are awesome pulling me out of my madness every time. At times I feel my karma is suboptimal and get the unbeatable need to payback. In these rare occasions I try to help people with stuff I've already experienced and learned until I feel fine. If only there'd be a way to track "my karma" in discord... :>

[deft pewter]

Negative infinity... done.

[past nova]

true for mono, Tinkerer and RobC for sure :>

[deft pewter]

If you want a way to keep track, just ask support questions on the subreddit. Plenty of downvotes there 😄

[past nova]

yeah but that beats the purpose doesnt it 🙂

like any good torrenter - leech & seed 😄

keep up an acceptable ratio

I'm yet to find the bottom of HA rabbithole...

[deft pewter]

||There is no bottom||

[glacial knot]

No ⊥?

[clever mortar]

DrZzs does Karma, but the actual impact is ... not exactly meaningful

Also almost nobody understands how to give it out, so ...

[past nova]

do we have discord intergration for homeassistant? 😄

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/discord/

Command '~discord' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

😛

[past nova]

lol yeah - extend it, decentralized, ledger, HAcoin.

[deft pewter]

At least Microsoft are finally admitting that the other OS's are superior.

[glacial knot]

argh, I'm trying to log into one of my switches. And forgot the password I set on it. It's driving me crazy

[deft pewter]

21st century problems - forgetting your login to power switches.

[plain trail]

Windows 11 = elephant head, penguin body and pig tail

[deft pewter]

Yes, thank you for that explanation.

[cedar chasm]

Was allowed back over the border with no quarantine.
Granted it was only from an overnight trip to Sweden but it's a step in the direction of business as usual

[glacial knot]

gah, openscad doesn't autosave and crashed. Lost me couple of hours of trial and error :/

can probably reproduce in 30min or so, because I now know what I want

[deft pewter]

they let you back in? 😢

[cedar chasm]

Upon submission of required forms and test samples, begrudgingly yes

[hearty depot]

first the serial, or first the milk?

[late gate]

Im going to make some of you pee your pants now: im setting up an 2020 I7 NUC with 2TB m2 and 32gb ram just for home assistant os. No vm, no proxmox

[deft pewter]

You're a monster.

At least go with Debian and Docker.

[late gate]

Nope!

[static schooner]

It's gonna become sentient just to avoid being bored

[deft pewter]

You might find some help in #diy-archived to figure it out.

[tidal bronze]

Isn't that how it's supposed to be done ? What's wet pants gotta do with it ?

[forest edge]

I need to rent a semi with trailer to move this mini fridge

[silk talon]

yes i do

[tidal bronze]

Buy a mini fridge made this year or last. Not something from a garage sale made in 1979

[deft pewter]

I normally couldn't care less about football... but I'm glad Italy won 😂

🇮🇹

[forest edge]

was talking in reference to using a nuc for HA. be like

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8000f3c03c5d8dd87cf25cc482ae74e9

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok but weird

[deft pewter]

Aha. I like this twist on the meme:

[daring cloak]

i ended up trying walk ins with success in aus, but that was before it went a bit nuts locally, sometimes local reddit subgroups have details on places doing walkins for aus

[young sigil]

Ive had two of the lifx+ spotlights running outdoors for a couple of years. No issues. Also #hardware-archived

[daring cloak]

oh ta, got my channels confused, i'll move my posts there, thought it was for chasing help with hardware 😄 guess asking for recommendations is asking for help

[forest edge]

@subtle pasture so since my goflex took a crap I decided to give plex a try (again) since I'm running my nas on a pc vs the goflex this time. yea plex sucks! it can't auto add collections and there is no easy breezy way to back things up

this is gonna be short lived. it just can't hold a candle to kodi and the "common sense" stuff already built in

i was relieved to see plex no longer forces transcoding unlike it did before otherwise I wouldn't have made it this far

[subtle pasture]

Sorry, I don't understand...

Collections are user-created folders, you can save them as NFO files if you want them to come back automatically after a database wipe

But you shouldn't need to do that, because why the heck are you wiping your database? Just back it up...

Like, the backup part I really don't understand, because the database is just.. right there.. on your disk.. ready to be backed up

But yeah, let me know when Kodi finally gets basic common-sense features like a proper client / server architecture...

Once I don't have to re-scrape all my media on every endpoint, maybe I'll give Kodi a chance 🤷‍♀️

I've also never had Plex force transcoding. The default settings have it try direct-play first (for local-local connects) for all media. It'll only flip to transcoding if the profile for that client specifies that it doesn't support one of the codecs in the file

[forest edge]

collections in plex are manually created

[subtle pasture]

That's what I said...

[forest edge]

in kodi they automatically are made when you scrap

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I've tried that, there's about a 75% chance that it makes the collection wrong and puts content in there that I don't want

[forest edge]

backups up plex means you have to back up the whole plex folder along with the db etc which is massive in size

[subtle pasture]

And then fixing it on one endpoint doesn't fix it on ALL endpoints, so I have to run around the house updating it over and over...

[forest edge]

in kodi you back up an xml file

or art etc if you want

[subtle pasture]

For Plex? You just need the db, not the metadata cache

The backups aren't that big 😕

[forest edge]

that depends on the size of your library

[last cedar]

This. Kodi is a far better player. But no central db is criminal

[forest edge]

even the site says it could be many gb's in size

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, uncompressed. It shrinks a lot when you back it up, you know...

The database is mostly text, it compresses really well

[last cedar]

I tried backing up plex, didn't work. Ended up reinstalling

[subtle pasture]

I just have Veeam backing up the entire VM it's running on, tbh

[forest edge]

it's just the point. not only do you have to manually back it up, but restoring is the same process. in kodi it's all done right from the ui

[subtle pasture]

Which also isn't really an option for Kodi. lol

[last cedar]

Gonna move plex to a container I think, so that will be fun :)

Currently on a little NUC as an ssd died on server, where plex lived

[subtle pasture]

Kodi seems like a much bigger pain in the ass to back up and restore, honestly

With Plex, if the whole thing burns down, I just have Veeam restore the VM from a backup on my NAS

[forest edge]

how so? backing up kodi is easier than backing up ha lol

the only thing plex has going for it is the client portion. i guess if you like the bloatware stuff too

[subtle pasture]

I don't even know how you'd begin effectively backing up and restoring Kodi when you'd have to manage backups for every endpoint vs. one central server

Seems like a huge pain

[forest edge]

it's a single file

it fetches from the source

[subtle pasture]

It's a file on every endpoint, which each have their own customizations

[forest edge]

depends how you set it up

[subtle pasture]

Gotta back up every endpoint

[forest edge]

but for me it's a single file, it restores in under 10 seconds

but I can backup and restore from any end point

[subtle pasture]

For me it's a single server. Restores in... zero seconds, because Veeam boots from backup. lol

[forest edge]

plex you have to backup the folder

yea it's not 0 seconds if your main server takes a dump lol

and that is also part of the issue

[subtle pasture]

Depends on what you mean by "main server"

[forest edge]

kodi you could if you wanted make any end point a backup point, you could even redirect to another instance to use as a temp while your main is down

[subtle pasture]

because I have an HA cluster, so... if that whole thing went down, watching a movie is the least of my worries

[forest edge]

just saying, that whole part of plex is way behind

[subtle pasture]

But yeah, Kodi doesn't work either if the NAS is off, so I'm not seeing your point

What part is behind?

[forest edge]

kodi most certianly can work, you just redirect to another end point if you have multiple

[subtle pasture]

Redirect what to another endpoint?

I'm not following

[forest edge]

so kodi is basically server/client in one

[subtle pasture]

if the NAS is offline, there's no media to play

[forest edge]

every instance is server/client

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, that's why I hate it. lol

[forest edge]

but it's good as well

cause any end point can become the new temp server

but that's if you set it up to be as such

[subtle pasture]

Every time I've used it, every endpoint is self-referential, and has its own entirely independent database of scraped content

[forest edge]

that would take forever to have every end point have the whole library on it lol

[subtle pasture]

Unless you screw around getting them all to use the same MySQL instance

[forest edge]

you can have kodi fetch from a main

which is what I did/do

[subtle pasture]

I just use Plex, and occasionally use the Plex plugin inside Kodi rather than an official Plex app

[forest edge]

odd

[subtle pasture]

Fixes all my headaches 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

lol

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, Plex has the centralization I need to keep this whole thing manageable

That's about the long and short of it, really

[forest edge]

plex needs to rework thier backup

that and the collection is my pet peeve atm

glad the trancoding part was fixed

that was a major deal breaker with earlier versions

[subtle pasture]

I don't really understand the need for them to do anything with backups, tbh...

Most people are running Plex in a VM or in a Docker container, which are easy AF to back up using centralized backup systems that back up ALL of their VMs/containers

Why should it have its own internal backup system?

[forest edge]

to restore from a backup it's not as simnple as drag and drop from what I read

especially if you weanted to back up preferences etc

[subtle pasture]

Restoring from backup = restoring the VM or spinning up a new docker container and reconnecting your data volume

Just... seems needless for Plex to have its own internal backup system

[forest edge]

be like saying ha dosen't need it

it's not "user friendly" in it's current form

in the least

[subtle pasture]

You realize HA doesn't have integrated backup either, right?

[forest edge]

oh?

[subtle pasture]

And the backup/restore system in the OS for running on bare-metal uses the fact that it's running as a docker container to do what I specified above ^

[forest edge]

it's intergrated

now if plex did that

that would be something

[subtle pasture]

It's literally doing what I said above, firing up a new Docker container and restoring the data volumes...

Which you can do with Plex, just the same. lol

[forest edge]

no you cannot

there is nothing in the ui for that lol

[glacial knot]

backup's a storage task. Not an application task. All the app needs to do is flush a consistent state to storage

[subtle pasture]

There doesn't need to be

[forest edge]

again.. user friendly

[glacial knot]

yes, that's the user friendly way to go about it. Don't have to deal with 100 different backup strategies of stupid applications

[subtle pasture]

HA OS is special because it gives you the "Supervisor" plugin, which lets you puppet Docker (which is what HA is running inside of) from inside HA

[forest edge]

as i said.. if plex had it, it would be something

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, dealing with all of my container backups from one centralized location is a lot more user friendly than every container having its own internal backup strategy

[forest edge]

it was one of the most complined about parts when I started researching running plex

[subtle pasture]

If Plex had what?

I literally don't understand what you want it to have. lol

[forest edge]

kodi is all done from ui, from start to finish

so no matter how complicated you may try and make it out to be, it's more aimed toward user friendly

[subtle pasture]

The fact that Kodi has an internal backup system and can't be centralized like Plex's is a bad thing, as far as I'm concerned 😕

[forest edge]

a user dosen't have to back up anything out side of the ui for kodi

[subtle pasture]

Makes everything more complex, not less

My users don't have top back up anything either, my server has hourly incrementals configured

[forest edge]

your just a loyalist lol

[glacial knot]

hahaha

that's a hot take coming from you 😄

[subtle pasture]

No, I just don't see any advantages to Kodi for actually managing / scraping content...

[forest edge]

yea considering I only had two pet peeves

[subtle pasture]

And everythign you've described about backups makes it sound like Kodi is more difficult to deal with than Plex

Where it's just a container, or a VM, and I back it up like all my other containers and VMs

[forest edge]

and leapo is arging to the ends of the earth for them lol

[subtle pasture]

Not arguing, just not understanding your points

You're not making sense to me 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

well I dove down the plex rabbit hole.. i have room to talk. till you dive down the kodi one...

[subtle pasture]

I've tried it multiple times. Like I said, I absolutely need it to have a centralized client/server architecture.

[forest edge]

i still don't get how plex can't do auto collections

found tons of post on how to get it to do it, none of them work lol

[subtle pasture]

Now, that said, I can grant it a competent server by using Plex as the backend, and Kodi with the Plex plugin as the media player

THAT works great

But Kodi for everything? Too many issues.

[forest edge]

you just need to learn kodi

like i need to learn plex collections apparently

[subtle pasture]

or I just use Plex, because it's already doing exactly what I need, and I already have it being backed up

[forest edge]

but the plex backup is a loss cause

[subtle pasture]

Again, why would Plex have its own internal backup system?

Just backup the VM / container

[forest edge]

cause it's modren

[subtle pasture]

it's a centralized server, back it up like any other server...

[forest edge]

cause we are past the 1900's

[last cedar]

Plex needs a 1 button backup task, that can be sceduled, tbh

[subtle pasture]

yeah, which is why I don't expect Plex to have its own internal backup system when it's running on Docker, where it's super-easy to back up all your data volumes in one fell swoop

[last cedar]

Auto exporting auto importing

[forest edge]

I mean hell plex is built off kodi and kodi evolved.. wtf plex waiting for?

[subtle pasture]

Plex isn't waiting for anything, backups don't need to be handled by individual containers...

That would be a nightmare

[forest edge]

they need something

[subtle pasture]

yeah, back them up from the host running the containers, like a normal person >_>

[forest edge]

if my system takes a shit and the only thing I have saved was my library I want to restore it more efficently damnit

[subtle pasture]

There's literally no need for every developer that releases a docker container to implement their own internal backup system

[forest edge]

and plex isn't always ran in a container

[subtle pasture]

How do you restore more efficiently that running a Docker Compose file?

Or, if your data volume took a shit, restoring data from an image and then running Docker Compose. lol

Which you'll be doing anyway, because all your shit is down at that point

[forest edge]

yea lets jump hoops

[glacial knot]

By restoring the VM image

[subtle pasture]

Those aren't hoops, that's just how you restore when your entire docker host dies...

Doesn't matter what app it is 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

it's hoops in comparison

[subtle pasture]

I don't see how

[glacial knot]

that's less hoops than having to do it in APP UIs 🤦

[subtle pasture]

If my VM host dies, I gt it back up and have Veeam restore my VMs

[forest edge]

but again you are basing all that off your means of running plex lol

[subtle pasture]

Nope

I run Plex in a VM, but most people run it in Docker, which is why I keep mentioning it

[forest edge]

but not everyone runs in either

[subtle pasture]

And if you're running Docker containers, you back them up from the host running Docker

[forest edge]

if your running plex in windows

[subtle pasture]

Having to configure ten different backup solutions inside 10 different Docker containers is stupid

[glacial knot]

and if you are running on metal, you go cry a river

windows 😂

[subtle pasture]

If you're running Plex on Windows, Windows has its own full-system backups...

[glacial knot]

Then you run it on top of docker inside a linux VM. Like your OS forces you to do

[forest edge]

you can run plex in many diffrent ways.. none of which help your back up strategy

[subtle pasture]

Like, literally, wherever you run Plex, it there's a backup system external to Plex already available

[forest edge]

just admit it, kodi has plex beat for backups

that isn't that hard

[glacial knot]

why would we admit something so utterly wrong?

[subtle pasture]

No, because I don't think there should be any need for an individual app to have its own backups

Just have a competent centralized server, I'll back that up

[forest edge]

loyalist lol

[subtle pasture]

Screw dealing with backups on endpoints

lol

[glacial knot]

All an app has to do to provide a backup is flush consistent state to disk.

[subtle pasture]

Not a loyalist, I just don't want to deal with Kodi and its weirdness

Kodi's backups make no sense compared to how you back up a Plex server 🤷‍♀️

[glacial knot]

I tried kodi, didn't like it. I never tried plex for mostly political reasons when I read into it
but your idea of backups is stupid

[forest edge]

atleast plex fixed the transcoding regardless if you had issues with that or not, it was a commonly wide issue with older versions of it

[subtle pasture]

Also, two things:
Currently sick, and all of this is NyQuil-fueled, so I apologize in advance for any typos.
I keep typing "Codi" and having to correct it to "Kodi" because Codi is my girlfriend's name xD

[subtle pasture]

So if not Kodi or Plex, what are you using? Jellyfin?

[glacial knot]

Which backup methodology does she prefer?

Ask Leap to do it

[forest edge]

in most of the stuff i read watched on plex alot of them switched to jelleyfin and using emby

[subtle pasture]

We back up the entire house to a Synology NAS with Veeam. ESXi hosts are backed up with Veeam B&R, workstations are backed up with Veeam Endpoint to the B&R repository.

[glacial knot]

currently nothing. I mainly use twitch or other services that I don't think have a plugin on either (cough licenses cough), so I just browser form my laptop and start mpv on the dumb box under my TV via SSH
I meant to write a small server to be able to queue stuf, but ehh

B&R?

[forest edge]

sounds like you need kodi....

[subtle pasture]

Veeam Backup & Replication

[glacial knot]

I know we use that at work. But my current setup doesn't really require it (yet)

[subtle pasture]

It's actually free for up to 10 "workloads"

For reference, having it back up an entire hypervisor and all VMs / containers running under it = 1 workload...

So that's cool

[glacial knot]

I only have one host that'd be worth backing up
And snapshotting+redundancy is done via zfs. Important stuff is off site as well. Probably going to back up into encrypted (locally before send) datasets on rsync.net or some blob storage for offsite. I have no real need to add more onsite backup

[subtle pasture]

Veeam can also handle replication to cloud/offsite

We have it replicating to Amazon Glacier at work

[forest edge]

one day all of that will seem like too much work

[glacial knot]

what? running background services that are set up once and scale to an infinite amount of services?

clearly more work than setting up backups for every service individually

[glacial knot]

hm, might be interesting then for backups. I know I can get blob storage for ~1/5th the price as rsync.net. Though rsync.net is nicer for simple replication of zfs snapshots

and already cheaper than other cloud platforms that don't cross finance in annoying ways :/

[glacial knot]

Why? Last I checked it had issues with crunchy (because crunchy are dicks)
Is harder to just throw random links at than my current setup, and the browser sucks compared to the “native” ones for most sites

If it worked everywhere and I had a local collection, maybe. But as is? Nah, thanks

[forest edge]

if all you do is watch crap on free streaming apps then buy a cheap roku device

[glacial knot]

why would I spend money on crap?

[forest edge]

it has a media player you could watch local content

vs what?

[glacial knot]

My current setup that works?

it also works for local stuff. I just don't have much, because I have no need for it

[forest edge]

your "currently nothing"? gotcha

[glacial knot]

Nothing in the sense of a media server

you know, if you read mor ethan one line, you'd know what the setup is

[forest edge]

laptop browser

is pretty much the gist

[glacial knot]

yes, if you leave out 90% of it

like, the only reason a video plays in my browser is if it's embedded on discord =.=

[forest edge]

thus why i suggested buy a cheap roku.. it would be a step up lol

[glacial knot]

in what way?

[forest edge]

you said you watch twitch and other services that wouldn't be on like kodi or plex. well that's where roku steps in. it's like android tv but cheaper but has appas for all that shit like twitch youtube and crunchy and every other free platform

plus you wouldn't be needing to watch it through a browser

so it would be a step up in every way to answer your question

I would throw in the possibility of just tossing some android os on a device and using that so that it is 100% free but that method is sketchy and dosen't always work as well (without going into detail)

[glacial knot]

You do know that you could just try and read what I wrote earlier, instead of embarrassing yourself, right?

[forest edge]

this is what you wrote <#the-water-cooler message>. but if you want to be an ass about it when i am just trying to help I can just block you easily enough. 😉

[glacial knot]

it's not. You seem to think that anything runs in a browser on my setup. Which I didn't say there, and explicitly said it doesn't later in the log

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge blocking and shit huh. 🤣

You woke me up

[fallow karma]

Hello there

[glacial knot]

Hello Bobik

How does that wake you up?

[fallow karma]

My son woke me up

TL:DR any drama here?

You were talking about the Roku, I never heard about it, is it US market only?

[clever mortar]

It's in Europe too

Not marketed that heavily though

[fallow karma]

Is it anyhow better than other smart boxes?

[deft pewter]

Naw. Get a Fire TV stick 😄

[clever mortar]

Maybe ... if it does something you want that the other ones don't

TBH I've had no reason to switch away from my ChromeCast - it does everything I want

[deft pewter]

Roku often come with cheap Now TV subs, right? That's about the only draw that I can see.

But if you have Plex (or similar) and cough torrents cough, you don't need subs.

[fallow karma]

I've got Kodi , but YT integration was difficult a little bit

[deft pewter]

🤢

XBMC was great back in the day but mostly because it was the only option.

[fallow karma]

I still have old fashioned TV on my allotment house, and want to make it smart. Sadly all my Rpi's are busy as HA servers, so I don't have any spare one for Kodi

[worldly sierra]

imagine online shopping... 😉

[fallow karma]

Nah, I'm almost addicted and have to stop buying

[deft pewter]

Not everyone has the resources to just buy something new all the time.

Some people want to (or need to) re-use what they have.

[fallow karma]

If I were a rich man, i could buy new tv for my apartment , and the old one took to the allotment

Sadly my wife need new car, so TV's aren't on the top of my list

[worldly sierra]

I was more talkign about a smart "dongle" to attach.

chrome cast, pi, mi box. etc

[deft pewter]

If I were a rich man, ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum. All day long I'd biddy biddy bum. If I were a wealthy man.

[deft pewter]

We all have different budgets. I'm sure Bobik knows what options exist.

Pragma > dogma, btw 😄

[fallow karma]

Anyway, allotment needs tv only when it rains, so not very often

[deft pewter]

It rained a lot when I was over there 😄 And that was in the summer.

The north coast was okay. The central regions were wet.

[fallow karma]

It depends, some years it rains often, some not

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeyou got woke? 🤔

I didn't know the movie Kong was not part of the Godzilla collection. Godzilla vs Kong is not the same kong that is in the movie Kong

[deft pewter]

It's not? I thought they were the same too 😄

Ah. So he's not the same as the 2005 Kong... but he is the same one as Kong: Skull Island.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsterVerse#Films

[deft pewter]

One of the only good things to come out of Glasgow: https://open.spotify.com/track/20Dw7Jar5hUbwX5FwHdQoG?si=9ba8e55f2a904632

[late gate]

I would say so, but when you say NUC on this discord its a proxmox choir

[deft pewter]

Nothing wrong with NUC's. Using one that powerful for just HA OS is overkill.

You could run dozens of services on that thing and you're limiting yourself to one.

[bitter pawn]

I think you misspelled "future proofing" 😏 no such thing as this overkill word you speak of :P

[deft pewter]

You can't future proof, it's a myth.

Doesn't take much in the way of technological advances to render that i7 a paperweight.

I doubt it'll be mainstream for a while yet but quantum computing is on the way. Traditional CPU's will become worthless.

You also don't know what use cases you'll have in a year or two, so how can you plan ahead for it?

[clever mortar]

Eh, the rate of change is slower these days. A computer went obsolete pretty fast "back in the day"

Yet today my i5 laptop is doing fine 8 years on

[deft pewter]

Yeah, we don't see Moore's law in action anymore, so it's not so much about the power creep. It wasn't that long ago people were still burning CD's - who does that now?

Even Blurays are almost redundant with the rise of streaming. Tech changes.

[clever mortar]

I threw out two spindles of DVDs the other month 😂

They were still shrink wrapped too

[deft pewter]

I'm so glad I didn't invest in a Bluray writer...

Everyone thought that medium was the future and its time is almost up already.

[clever mortar]

I have a BR reader, but cheaped out on buying a writer

[deft pewter]

Quantum's going to be huge, and a lot more impactful than people think. It won't be about whether or not you need/want the extra power... it'll be that quantum computing renders current cryptography techniques impotent.

Won't be long before stuff like AES256 is trivial to crack 😄

[clever mortar]

At which point, somebody will find another way forward and we'll have quantum entanglement for comms 😛

Go on then, read that

[deft pewter]

Yup... but then all your x86 stuff is useless.

Hence my point that you can't future proof...

[clever mortar]

For secure comms, sure

For running HA, probably not 😄

[deft pewter]

Secure comms... like the internet? How are you doing to run HTTPS without quantum if everyone else can break current encryption?

[clever mortar]

Pffft, we all know that HTTPS is really backed by ROT13

[deft pewter]

It's all good saying you just continue to terminate SSL at the proxy but that still means owning at least one quantum machine.

I can't remember which firm it was. There was public documentation updated recently that mentioned base 64 encoding being a really secure encryption method 🤦‍♂️

Kubernetes maybe?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27731066

shiwanibiradar

Secret Management in Kubernetes

Hacker News · Jul 4, 2021, 5:03 PM

In Kubernetes, secrets are base64 encoded, so they are quite secure.

[clever mortar]

I LOLd for real there

[deft pewter]

Yeah, that was my reaction when I first saw it. And rather than admit their mistake, they try to deflect...

It did not occur to us at the time that people could mistake base64 for some form of encryption.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/james-spader-desperate-help-the-blacklist-you-need-help-gif-12305438

[deft pewter]

That last quote is from their senior staff engineer: https://twitter.com/originalavalamp

[clever mortar]

Sharp as a balloon that one

[deft pewter]

Feels like it should be part of the recent trend of blaming the intern. He certainly talks like an intern.

He's also an advocate of changing your code to suite your tests: https://twitter.com/originalavalamp/status/1366440198016405518
🤦‍♂️

[glacial knot]

Do you have a paper that attacks aes with feasible quantum algorithms?

[deft pewter]

Papers? I'm not an academic... I hope I never see papers again 😄

AES was a bad example. Looks like with keys of length 256 or greater, it's still hard to crack with quantum.

[glacial knot]

all symmetric cyphers will be bad examples

outside the already broken ones. The real issue is asymmetric ciphers. Which might be worse

[tame sand]

Optical Computing is quite interesting. HPE is funding a big research project regarding this. Consumes nearly no power in comparison and can be up to 10 times quicker for the same operations. However translating optical logic to the existing binary logic isn't that trivial

And if you wouldn't need binary logic, it would be even faster.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, there's potentially some massive paradigm shifts coming for the low-level computing.

[tame sand]

it would wipe out all existing programming languages because the underlying logic would be way to wastefull. No 0 and 1 logicgate stuff anymore or bitshifting or stuff like that

[deft pewter]

Nah... most languages are high level, they don't care how the processor achieves the outcome.

They're just a way to provide a human-readable set of instructions without having to learn machine code.

[tame sand]

But languages like C won't run -> python won't work.

I think that this will definitely change logic in programming aswell.

Because i bet there ain't gonna be x86 optical processors

The instructionsets wouldn't even make sense to apply.

[subtle pasture]

I mean, as long as you can implement while, if, and jump/goto on the architecture, you can write a compiler for any turing-complete programming language for it

[deft pewter]

Any compiled language still works. Only the compiler has to change.

I can keep writing JS or .NET or whatever... doesn't matter.

[subtle pasture]

So there's no reason it couldn't run compiled C, or emulate the entire x86 instruction set.

Also, imagine x86 with quantum branch prediction... Just run every possible outcome of an operation simultaneously, and all of the possible next outcomes from those outcomes

Then collapse to the correct branch once determinacy can be achieved.

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/minority-report-holographic-screen-swipe-right-gif-15868978

I'm just waiting for that

[subtle pasture]

Minority report displays? There are already a number of ways to do that... But, unfortunately, as cool as it looks, it's actually pretty poor from a usability standpoint

I can hook up a Leap Motion and use my desktop (physically, or in VR) "Minority Report" style, but it quickly becomes apparent how impractical it is

[clever mortar]

It's fine, they're just harder to break 😛

[subtle pasture]

Part of the issue is that many intuitive interactions (like scrubbing the timeline on a video, or scrolling a page) require you to hold your arms aloft for extended periods of time

[deft pewter]

Not just the displays... the telling-the-future bit too.

[subtle pasture]

Not exactly comfortable, and attempting to mitigate it with gestures leads to a less intuitive interaction scheme that looks s lot less lime Minority Report

Ah, pre-crime. Yeah, some interesting issues with that one...

[deft pewter]

Pre-crime have never found me guilty. I don't see the issue.

[subtle pasture]

There are already AIs being used by law enforcement that attempt to predict crime before it happens

They use AI to help plan patrol routes and such

[deft pewter]

But that won't be down to the individual level, right? More that they forecast where it might occur?

[subtle pasture]

It's not down to the individual level yet, but there's no reason it couldn't get to that point with enough data collection

[deft pewter]

Well there is... you don't have the data about what's inside someone's head. ML depends on patterns.

[subtle pasture]

There's plenty of data on that. People spew it onto the internet all the time

[deft pewter]

Nah. You can't take a few snippets and presume to know what someone's thinking in every waking moment.

[subtle pasture]

Imagine scraping all social media to find potential murderers

[deft pewter]

The 'best' you'll get is a social score like China.

[subtle pasture]

It's absolutely being worked on

[deft pewter]

We're all potential murders. Most just haven't done it, or even thought about it.

[subtle pasture]

There are already AI bots running on Facebook looking for predictors of suicidal behavior

[deft pewter]

Sure... and that makes sense. You can reach out to people that show the signs, even if they haven't done it yet. You can't arrest people based on signs that they might murder.

[subtle pasture]

Looking for predictors of murderous tendencies isn't far fetched

[deft pewter]

I'm not denying that you couldn't spot the predictors. I'm refuting that you could do anything with that information. You can't round up everyone that fits a profile.

[subtle pasture]

This is why AIs work based on confidence factors. What confidence factor do you need before it makes sense to flag a person?

70%? 90%?

[deft pewter]

And you still can't round them up.

[subtle pasture]

I said flag the account

[deft pewter]

Flag them for what? Surveillance? Intervention?

[subtle pasture]

Also, in the future that was Minority report, a high confidence factor in the potential for a person to commit murder was considered probable cause

[deft pewter]

We don't live in a sci-fi movie 🤷‍♂️

[subtle pasture]

So if such AI gets good enough, you might actually see the legal system adjust to it

[deft pewter]

And I'm sure you haven't forgotten the plot of the movie. The whole thing was flawed...

[subtle pasture]

"What probable cause did you have to arrest that person?"
"AI predicted they had a 98% chance of commiting Arson that night"

Ooooooh yeah, I remember the plot

I'm not saying any of this is a good idea

Just that the world they warned us about isn't far fetched

The technology is already in use

[deft pewter]

We're already backing away from it. Facial recognition is being shut down all over the place. There's backlash against the Amazon AI that autofires people.

Just because the tech is progressing, doesn't mean that tech will be accepted.

[subtle pasture]

Again, I'm aware

That's why I said the plot in that movie was a warning

That shit could happen, don't let it

[open kindle]

it´s a see through touch screen, iirc they already exist

[deft pewter]

It's... not.

[static schooner]

I've often wanted to take Outlook and violently throw it over there

[deft pewter]

How do you like the new UI? 😂

[rapid tendon]

grumbles as hass partly breaks

[forest edge]

user error and wrong channel

[static schooner]

grumbling is okay, just don't expect anyone to do anything about it here 🙂

https://media.tenor.com/images/c765c004b65851c334906ccf883d55df/tenor.gif

[rapid tendon]

I clicked update and a required change that I wasn't aware of broke my reverse proxy. Easy fix, but hella annoying.

had to add a new section to my config that wasn't needed before 🙂

[deft pewter]

that I wasn't aware of
Yet another person that didn't bother to read the release notes from the last few versions 😂

[true mantle]

anyone else get a DM from "Gary assistant"?

[static schooner]

yes, dead

[true mantle]

dead?

[static schooner]

I banned him

[true mantle]

ah

kk

[unkempt basin]

good to know

[true mantle]

I didn't respond, cause like, I didn't wanna confirm an active account

[unkempt basin]

you can't respond anyway

[static schooner]

First kill 🔫

[daring cloak]

i must say it would be handy if it popped up a 'congrats for updating, here's what's new' on first login

(assuming you could login 😉 )

idk about others but I have a containerised setup that just gets rebuilt automatically, so I don't usually F5 HA frequently to check release notes, the latest major update to influxdb caught me out too

[green inlet]

I mean, it’s only a url away and you really should get in the habit of checking the breaking changes before updating. I am not hating if you don’t, just don’t think you can come here and ask why without taking a little slack 🤣

[daring cloak]

hah, i fortunately got a heads up so I'm delaying my update so I can make sure my reverse proxy setup is solid first

[burnt grotto]

Hi guys
Iv seen this around
What do other use to cast youtube and other to HA for AV / Auido

I could cast it to google chrome cast yes
but is there an app in HA
just trying to work out if i was to play a video on my phone or though HA somehow
how can i chouse witch auido adn what not it takes

please @ me if you have any idea Thnkas

[forest edge]

ruh roh he's developing the taste!

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

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If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: mono

[deft pewter]

There, @'d you 😉

[hearty depot]

aah -the article is away - waybacking now

the internet hardly forgets
https://web.archive.org/web/20210703022735/https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/managing-secrets-kubernetes-pods

[burnt grotto]

I wasn't trying to be a smart ask i was just asking and i though to myself that #the-water-cooler
was the best place to ask I ask anyone to @ me because I'm not istting in this chat watching waittting like a baby for help
I'm look around on the internet and other chat for help you know
I'm not trying to be a dick just saying so if you think i was being a dick putting it in the wrong chat come on

[deft pewter]

#the-water-cooler is never the best place for support questions related to HA. In fact, the topic says they shouldn't be asked here 🤷‍♂️

I would also recommend you watch your tone.

[last cedar]

This is the raccoon gif channel!

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-eat-food-raccoon-eating-gif-15379674

[deft pewter]

Awww

[hearty depot]

Word of warning
Today I found out that it is not the best idea to have a MS-Teams meeting all by yourself
Monitoring tells the admins who and when someone joined a meeting

[deft pewter]

lol... did you fake a meeting so you could look busy?

[hearty depot]

…no 😊

(thats a lie)

[clever mortar]

"Testing my setup"

[deft pewter]

I wouldn't even fake the mouse movements now. They have reason to suspect you're hiding something, they'll be watching more closely...

Maybe I'm too honest but I still believe that I should actually be working on company time.

[hearty depot]

Nah - I'm fine
I just where curius and checked with our Office admin

[deft pewter]

One of the cool things about all the newer MS Office stuff is that it runs on top of a single API (Microsoft Graph). And being API-based, there will be logs for every event.

[hearty depot]

misusing API's....
mhmmmmm

[deft pewter]

Good luck abusing it if your admins are any good. All the good endpoints require elevated privileges 😄

You can pull contact details of employees and see their availability, that kinda stuff. Modifying things that aren't you... that'll be tough.

If you want to see what's possible with it: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/graph-explorer

[hearty depot]

Not a good admin when you can trust his own saying 😅
sweet - thanks

[deft pewter]

I used Graph to build the MS Teams activity detection for my automations so I could control music based on joining/leaving meetings. Was tempted to look into email/calendar stuff too but I won't be using Teams in the new job, so I won't have access to a proper account for testing.

[hearty depot]

https://presence.teams.microsoft.com/v1/me/forceavailability/ is a fun one

[deft pewter]

Linking to the endpoint instead of the docs doesn't help anyone understand it 😄

That's a weird endpoint. I guess you're going to abuse that one next? 😄

[hearty depot]

Not in the docks as far as I can tell

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I had to find it on SO.

[hearty depot]

SO?

[static schooner]

Stack Overflow, probably

Google For Geeks

[hearty depot]

Todo

 - [x] find out how x-ms-correlation-id is set (or what it is) 
       https://github.com/Azure/azure-resource-manager-rpc/blob/master/v1.0/Addendum.md#instrumentation-and-tracing-across-services
 - [ ] Easylish generate Bearer tokens (or check how fast they are invalid)

[deft pewter]

You can generate your own bearer tokens. It's just an OAuth flow using your own account to request them.

I doubt you need to do anything with the correlation ID.

[hearty depot]

good point lets see what happens when I not set it in the request

yaay 200

--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"Available\"}'
--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"Busy\"}'
--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"DoNotDisturb\"}' 
--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"BeRightBack\"}' 
--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"Away\"}' 
--data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"Offline\",\"activity\":\"OffWork\"}' 
``` are the easy ones to find

[deft pewter]

I mean... the docs tell you them all: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/api/resources/presence?view=graph-rest-1.0

[hearty depot]

guess who is soon InAConferenceCall

[deft pewter]

Let's see how long it takes the admins to realise what you're doing...

[hearty depot]

noone cares - I just have to hide from the project girls to get my work done 🤣

[deft pewter]

Schtop. We're having a serious conversation about how Underknowledge is going to get sacked soon 😂

[dusky plank]

i will not abuse this information, i promise.

[hearty depot]

eeh, I ll be fine

microsoft migt be hating me soon

{"message":"The request is invalid.","modelState":{"$type":"System.Web.Http.HttpError, System.Web.Http","incomingForcedAvailability.activity":{"$type":"System.String[], mscorlib","$values":["An error has occurred.","An error has occurred."]}}}

[deft pewter]

Yeah, you didn't give a valid availability. You gave the value of an activity 😄

[hearty depot]

actually both

    --data-binary $'{\"availability\":\"Available\",\"activity\":\"InACall\"}' \

uh - a chonker

there it is

[deft pewter]

Imagine their dental bills...

[subtle pasture]

True, though the data collection by Microsoft is actually anonymized pretty well. I have full admin / graph / shell access, and I still wasn't able to get a whole lot of individual user statistics out of it.

Like, there's no way to tell if a user had a mouse jiggler running all day, Teams just records the user's total active hours within the last 24 hours.

Found this out when my boss got on my ass about appearing "idle" too often on Teams, when I was working all day. Turns out, Teams loses track of cursor activity when your cursor is trapped by some remote access software (ConnectWise Control, in this case), so if I spent an hour in a remote session, Teams on my host machine would show me as idle the entire time...

I just have Caffeine (app that keeps your system from appearing idle) configured to run from 8:00 AM to 12:00 PM, and from 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM

Solves the problem 🤷‍♀️

[deft pewter]

I went for the next step up from caffeine... amphetamine 😂

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12

[subtle pasture]

lol

Ah, this is a Mac version of the same thing, it looks like

But yeah, it really seems like Microsoft doesn't want Teams to double as a user activity tracker

Not beyond general stats that are relevant to Teams itself (like how often a particular team is used)

And attempting to use what is there to track user activity just leads to users running mouse jigglers. lol

[deft pewter]

I've never tried to cheat it. I only discovered the API because I wanted to have automations based on my activities.

It's just Underknowledge that wants to get sacked.

[worldly sierra]

lol, last company I worked at installed some "anti virus" that tracked what apps were running on peoples machines. Windows was pretty locked down but the devs on linux were not so we obviously we spawned up loads of fake apps that would report as p0rn.exe etc. There was zero anonymization #micromangement

[hearty depot]

Hey! still working hard - even if its going close to 11PM

[deft pewter]

A real dev would just uninstall the monitoring tools 😄

[hearty depot]

no dev xD - just sysadmin

[deft pewter]

Close enough. What's your excuse? 😄

[hearty depot]

? for working or disabeling monitoring

[deft pewter]

For not disabling it

[hearty depot]

monitoring > the heat - still 27° in the homeoffice - but better then throuout the day
ah - we got a poor yung student who is allowed to play with clickops products - not tuching that crap
so the excuse is - I cant

well.. I could, if i wantet to I guess I just stay the §$%! away

[deft pewter]

I think the worst thing I did with my work machine was to circumvent their security and make my own admin account. I got pissed off with always needing to call IT to get anything done, especially since they were useless.

[hearty depot]

When I started we where a 75% linux company - then the new project managers came

[deft pewter]

Stupid PM's.

I didn't think I'd like working on a Mac but I've grown to enjoy it. It's nice having a UI for the easy stuff and still have a Unix-like system for the techie stuff.

[hearty depot]

nah, I will never buy one again. They really drove me away with their hardware support. and these suckers tend to brake fast.
But yea - I liked the OS too

[deft pewter]

Break fast? I've had zero hardware issues with my MBP except for the shitty keyboard they did in 2018.

[static schooner]

I've had several MBPs (like 4) and the only issue I've ever had is a battery that puffed up and needed to be replaced

I did skip the butterfly keyboard era

I only take them out of service when I replace them with a newer model

[deft pewter]

I'll be honest... I'd never pay for one. They're too expensive for what they are. But they're a pleasure to work on.

[static schooner]

The M1s are bringing the price down

[hearty depot]

watch this guy when youre stressed out - he is the bob ross of soldering
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos?view=0&sort=p&shelf_id=0
he will also tell you why apple laptops and the company are §$%!

[deft pewter]

But does he solder or sodder?

[hearty depot]

only his fingers

[deft pewter]

By 50%? Because that's when I'd consider buying my own 😂

Spending several grand on a laptop doesn't make sense when you could have a couple of well-specced desktops for that.

[hearty depot]

yay major verson update did not brake stuff 🎉

[daring cloak]

dang you @hearty depot you reminded me i wanted to setup an 'on air' style light for showing my partner if i'm in a call or not

[static schooner]

They've typically been $2000-3000 and the top-spec 13" M1 MBP is $1700

[daring cloak]

don't they only have like 3 specs? lol

[hearty depot]

mono might be able to help there 😉

[daring cloak]

i bought an m1 air actually, pretty good machine, awful keyboard

[static schooner]

they always have more RAM/more storage. I chose 16GB, but 512GB SSD

8-core 256GB storage starts @ $1299. That's pretty mainstream, if you ask me

[daring cloak]

i was keen on a 512 one, but couldn't justify the price for a glorified remote access box

[hearty depot]

reminds me - just bourgt a new 1TB nvme - i ll soon use a screwdriver to get this changable part in 😛

[daring cloak]

hoping for thinkpad x1 nano's to return to earth price wise

[static schooner]

I just had to buy one of those for a work project

they offer some pretty hefty discounts that recur month-to-month

discount code keeps changing

[daring cloak]

yeah, I used to have a really good affinity account with a previous job but no more (well account works but can't change email lol)

[static schooner]

I had to fight like hell to get them to just order it from the website, rather than paying full price and waiting 8 weeks to get it from their distributor

[daring cloak]

i'd be curious how you find it

[static schooner]

stupid corporate bureaucracy

I just care how it behaves when we plug our card in 🙂

it was the top-spec one, something like $3500 or so, but with a discount down to like $2300 I think

so I go back to the M1 MBP being less than $2K

[deft pewter]

You want a way to run an on-air light based on Teams?

I've DM'd you the details. Don't want to promote my stuff here 😄

[subtle pasture]

I'm not trying to cheat it either, but it's misrepresenting my actual active hours, so...

Gotta do something about it, if people are watching idle times, and idle times aren't accurate

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I wasn't making accusations. But I'm not in a position where I have to care about being watched.

Hoping the new boss is just as fair as the old one.

[subtle pasture]

We're slowly breaking my boss of his need to micromanage... very slowly...

There are just too many times where we'd get shit done better and faster if he'd just leave his employees to it...

I feel like a lot of management is struggling with that right about now, with more people working from home

"BuT hOw Do I kNoW iF pEoPlE aRe WoRkInG???"
"If you can't trust them to work without you personally cracking the whip, why did you hire them??"

[deft pewter]

Makes you wonder what they thought they were doing before. I know people joke that managements only exists for the sake of it... but seriously, if they weren't measuring output before, what were they measuring?

Because if you're measuring output, nothing's changed with the shift toward WFH.

[subtle pasture]

This is real easy if your webcam is a Raspberry Pi + Camera module.

I'm using this to turn a Pi Zero into a USB webcam: https://github.com/showmewebcam/showmewebcam

It lights up a GPIO pin any time the camera is in use, which you could pretty easily use to trigger a cheap "ON AIR" sign

There's also MotionEye OS, which creates a network attached camera, which you can pipe straight into HomeAssistant

[daring cloak]

ah i rarely use my webcam 🙂

the one that mono sent me looks like a good way 🙂

[daring cloak]

so much this though, the funny thing with WFH is that suddenly expectations of productivity seem higher than if you were in the office. Suddenly they assume you don't make coffee, go to the toilet etc 😄

[green inlet]

@subtle pasture , micromanagement is usually a sign of lack of knowledge. If they have done what you do, then they know what you do. If they were promoted through the ranks because of who they know, they have no clue what you do

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

3 days later

[tidal bronze]

Lol. Was touch and go last few days.

[forest edge]

between the wild fires and covid and just living in california I would image every day is like that lol

[tidal bronze]

Left cali on Sunday don't know what's going on there. So wild fires huh ?

[forest edge]

then wtf was touch and go? you in Bangkok?

[tidal bronze]

Was in PA NJ and now in TN.

[forest edge]

ew country music

[tidal bronze]

Eew the damn weather

What music here for like 8 hours. 🤣

[subtle pasture]

All quiet in my corner of California today. We did have a small earthquake last week, but that's about it

[tidal bronze]

I read about that.

Another 15% water reduction 🤔

@subtle pasture you in central valley right?

[subtle pasture]

Yeah

[green inlet]

I absolutely loved Southern California when we were there. Take away the traffic and the high cost of living and I would move back in a heartbeat

[subtle pasture]

And that 15% water use reduction initiative is growing increasingly urgent. The aquifer is very, very low. People are drilling deeper wells, but that's only a short term bandaid

[tidal bronze]

But we are already 30% more efficient than rest of the country. Just the building codes are nuts. Don't know how much more efficient you can get.

@green inlet I hear you. Can't even think of living anywhere else just for the crispy 75s 😆

[subtle pasture]

Part of the issue is that over-pumping of groundwater has caused subsidence, permanently reducing total groundwater capacity. Some areas of the valley are now (up to) 28 feet lower than they used to be...

[green inlet]

My wife hated it when we were there…..now, it is her favorite place we have ever lived 🤷🏼‍♂️

[tidal bronze]

@subtle pasture freaking almonds and pistachios nothing else.

Now you see more types of almond milk than regular milk. Go figure. Even starbucks have gone balls out almond milk. The cost on water 🙄

[subtle pasture]

It actually takes less water to produce Almond milk than dairy milk...

Cows drink a lot

[tidal bronze]

I read otherwise.

[subtle pasture]

It doesn't help that water consumption from cows can double based on weather conditions, where as almond milk is a constant.

[green inlet]

I heard walnuts have great cognitive memory benefits today 🤷🏼‍♂️

[tidal bronze]

Gallon per almond

So 17 almonds == one shower

I am pretty sure we can do without almonds and pistachios. The problem is none of these 15% or any reduction applies to farming or golf courses 🤣

[static schooner]

but...superfood!

[tidal bronze]

Lol I agree. Let some other state grow that stuff. Pay extra 15c to bring it in.

[green inlet]

Pistachios 😍

[tidal bronze]

And let people who is not interested in not so super food enjoy a 15 minute shower.

[green inlet]

We have pistachios and water out here on the east coast 🤣

[static schooner]

every so often I buy a giant bag of pistachios from Costco and regret it after eating like half the bag at once

[green inlet]

But why?

[tidal bronze]

That's a common problem.

[static schooner]

the only limiting factor is that some of the shells are too hard to open and get put aside temporarily

pre-shelled pistachios are therefore tools of the devil

my digestive system doens't know what to do with a pistachio overdose

[tidal bronze]

With the shell it tastes better.

[green inlet]

I think you aren’t riding the wave

Shells that won’t easily open go in the trash

They aren’t good

[tidal bronze]

There's a new boycott in LA on almonds and pistachios so I am riding the wave.

[green inlet]

Really?

[tidal bronze]

Yep because of the water issue.

[green inlet]

#the-water-cooler message

When I was in San Diego. They always had water issues in the summer

[tidal bronze]

We've had water issues for the past 6 years or more. I am all about conserving but rules should apply universally to everything. What's the point on water conserving shower head when they expand golf courses.

[hushed basalt]

Have you tried classifying your house as a golf course
https://c.tenor.com/HQIiAZ4AxccAAAAM/taps-if.gif

[static schooner]

San Diego is actually doing better than the rest of the state right now

[hushed basalt]

We invested in desalination a long time ago and it's paid off

[subtle pasture]

I'm curious if any golf courses have switched to micro-clover. Great stuff, barely needs any water, heat/sun tolerant, and it out-competes other weeds.

[hushed basalt]

Golfers are precious and would throw tantrums

[subtle pasture]

I replanted my front lawn as clover when the last heatwave zapped it. Its looked fantastic ever since

[hushed basalt]

And well connected at high levels

Golf courses should either be native parks (with native flora) or housing

[subtle pasture]

Just... Make sure you pick the species correctly for the application. Some are invasive, and soon your neighbors lawns will all be clover as well. Lol

[tidal bronze]

Did you do Kurapia?

[green inlet]

Stay in your lane 🤣

We really don’t need to be messing with gold courses.

[green inlet]

Like actual clover? I spend hours picking this stuff out of my flower beds?

[subtle pasture]

We did sterile micro-clover, so it won't spread, but does need to be re-seeded every few years.

[green inlet]

What does it look like?

[subtle pasture]

Looks like a normal lawn until you're almost standing on it, though almost too green. Lol

It was seeded as 20% grass and 80% clover. We have zero weeds thanks to all the clover 👌

[tidal bronze]

@subtle pasture got a link?

[green inlet]

Ehhh…..it’s a weed….but so is burmuda basically.

[subtle pasture]

Clover used to be included in practically all grass seed mixes. It being considered a "weed" is kinda a new thing...

[green inlet]

Burmuda is all over the southeast 🤣

[subtle pasture]

Probably because Round-Up kills it

[green inlet]

Lmao…..no…..clover has never been included in grass seed

I am all for your use case…..but…..no

[subtle pasture]

Literally in a catalog from the 1900s...

[green inlet]

Ok, well, I am not proficient on yards in the 1900s

Mostly because I wasn’t alive

But no……not in our life time

Clover is a weed

Again, I am all,for your use case

If you like it

[subtle pasture]

Just saying, it used to be a thing before herbacide marketing in the 1950's identified clover as a weed.

[green inlet]

I think maybe they didn’t understand grass in the 1900:🤣

[subtle pasture]

Because herbacides for lawncare target broad-leaf plants, and clover got caught in the crossfire

[green inlet]

I spend at least 15 minutes a weekend pulling weeds from my yard and at least 50% of it is clover

I have a pretty nice yard 😉

[subtle pasture]

Meanwhile I'm intentionally planting clover. Lol

Why fight it, honestly?

[green inlet]

Like I said…if you like it. You do you….but I think it was more of a I can’t stop it being a part of grass seed in the 1900s. That shit is very resilient

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, it survives when the grass dies and keeps the lawn green 😛

[green inlet]

Exactly

[subtle pasture]

And keeps annoying pests like dandelions from appearing

I'm all for clover being in the lawn 🤷‍♀️

[green inlet]

Well, anything that blocks sun from anything else will stunt it’s growth

[tidal bronze]

Micro clover is expensive

[green inlet]

I am guessing you don’t have to mow it as much either

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the clover doesn't grow very tall

One of the bigger reasons for switching to it, because we have a picket fence that's impossible to keep trimmed neatly

Grass would grow all up in there, where a mower and weedwhacker couldn't get at it.

[green inlet]

Ha, you need a better trimmer

[static schooner]

I used to hate having grass up against my fence. I stuck a planting bed there, and have in each successive house

[subtle pasture]

Won't help, the the cord hits the boards on either side of the grass stalks

[static schooner]

the weed whacker eats the fence

[subtle pasture]

So it just leaves tufts between all the boards

[static schooner]

or eats the line

it's a battle to the death

[green inlet]

Depends…..my fence would lose 🤣

No doubt

[hushed basalt]

The solution is lasers

https://c.tenor.com/ehlAlQO8JAEAAAAM/laser-eyes-silence.gif

[static schooner]

I've often wanted Superman's laser-vision shaving power, but then I just gave up and grew a beard

[hushed basalt]

@subtle pasture regarding clovers

I actually prefer diverse lawns. I'm not a fan of monocultures, grass especially

[deft pewter]

If I say I prefer diverse lawns, does that mean I can stop pulling weeds?

[deft pewter]

Wife's studying toward a job in AppSec... I've started showing her that kind of stuff and she gets them 😂

She used to make fun of me for being a nerd. Now the tables have turned.

[hearty depot]

showed her already OWASP ZAP
My new toy what somehow replaces burp

not capable, but it is fun

[deft pewter]

She already knows about ZAP and Burp. I'm not teaching her this stuff, she's in touch with the company's security folk.

Already started taking part in CTF events and all that.

I'm being supportive but I don't want to butt in. I just keep buying her the Kevin Mitnick books so she can get all hyped up about hacking 😄

[late gate]

Good job!

[deft pewter]

Someone has a deathwish...

I hope that's something you found on the internet, not something in your house..

[late gate]

No its from a home automation fb group. I would never do something like this, even for a test

[deft pewter]

I won't show you what I did when I was programming a bunch of Sonoffs then 😂

What do you call it when one end of a cable has the plug and the other is just bare wiring? A fly lead? I was doing that so I could program one, disconnect, program the next.

With mains electricity 😟

[green inlet]

Flying lead, yes

I am not familiar with those switches, but they are just taping power correct? I get it that the proper way is inside the gang. I guess that dial is a timer which when turned could pull the connection inside the gang causing all kinds of issues?

[deft pewter]

What dial?

[green inlet]

That thing on the left of the switch is not a dial?

[deft pewter]

Just looks like some kind of handle attached to the plug to me.

Maybe to make it easier to pull out?

[green inlet]

Auh, ok. That is an outlet. Lmao….I forgot you guys have switches on outlets

[low harness]

Sometimes I feel green/yellow wire should not be sold at all to people without a license.

[young sigil]

I call them death leads. Nice use of green-yellow earth wire for the live and neutral too.

[deft pewter]

Death leads sounds about right 😂 I was triple checking the power every time I worked with the business end.

[low harness]

I call mine a suicide wire. I only touch it while also holding the plug end.

And keep WAGOs on it at all times.

[deft pewter]

Why hold the plug end?

[young sigil]

So you know it's not plugged in

[deft pewter]

That makes more sense. I was imagining Thomas holding the plug at all times, even when it's in the wall 😂

WAGOs is a good shout though. I left the wires exposed and had to be really careful about not letting them make contact with anything (or each other).

[late gate]

sounds like a darwin award for @deft pewter

[deft pewter]

I'm still breathing, right?

[late gate]

who knows. you might have automated yourself and are just a computer

[deft pewter]

The main thing is that I understand the dangers and take suitable precautions. A lot of people go into this stuff blindly.

[late gate]

Highest power I played with is 3x 63A 220V - that will kill you

[deft pewter]

And the most dangerous thing I've seen inside my home wasn't even my own work... I went to use the kettle and it wouldn't turn on. Went to try the plug in another socket and the plug was hot. Went to change the fuse and found the inside of the plug had melted... 😱

This was a sealed unit too. Not a replacement plug.

Luckily it was on a device that doesn't have constant draw, or it could've started a fire while we were sleeping.

[young sigil]

I've been thinking of buying one of the Quick test boxes Big Clive uses, https://youtu.be/_DTmL73th7Y

[hearty depot]

I'm prittey sure that neutral and live colurs ar mixed up in my flat

[deft pewter]

That's not a bad idea

[young sigil]

30 fookin poonds (+VAT) though...

[deft pewter]

Aussie poonds? 😂

More like 60 AUD, right?

[young sigil]

Queens pounds, which yeah is about 60 pacific clams

Holey crap. 40 pounds for shipping. That's a big no.

[tame sand]

How much is shipping to antarctica

[tame sand]

exactly 😂

[deft pewter]

Tom can get it to Antarctica himself 😄

[young sigil]

Usually UK to AU shipping is quite reasonable.

[tame sand]

So you go to AU to pick your ordered stuff up?

[young sigil]

I'm back home

[tame sand]

i thought you live in antarctica 🤔

[young sigil]

That's more like my holiday home.

[tame sand]

makes sense

what can you do in antarctica?

[deft pewter]

Make snow angels.

[young sigil]

And homebrew

Can't make snowballs. The snow is too dry and does not stick together.

[deft pewter]

Ice is crazy.

When ice melts, it absorbs as much energy as it would take to heat an equivalent mass of water by 80 °C.

[crisp sapphire]

even nuttier the other way around

a shit ton of heat is produced when water is frozen

[deft pewter]

Uh... wut?

[crisp sapphire]

Phase transitions produce/absorb thermal energy

Water will produce (thermodynamically, no free energy memes) heat when frozen, staying at precisely 0 degrees until its all solidified

[deft pewter]

It's not that it's producing heat. Freezing is a result of the heat being removed, surely?

Also, I understand it's all about entropy, so it depends on the surroundings.

[crisp sapphire]

Both. Your removing thermal energy, making the molecules transition to a solid. But as the transition is occuring, the molecules will actually increase they're oscilation frequency and thus heat up

this is why water will always, always stay at 0 C when freezing, no matter how cold the surroundings

[crisp sapphire]

indeed

The only reason the water dosnt keep climbing and stays at 0 C is because as soon as it goes above 0 C, the water stops solidifying and therefore stops producing heat

damn, i did a poor job explaining that.

[deft pewter]

So what you're saying is... free energy.

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/V-3D1k0GlukAAAAM/toast-cat.gif

[crisp sapphire]

Yes

Infinite power!!!

Id have to deep dive into the relationship between oscilation radius and frequency to properly explain why phase transitions are so confusing and seemingly counter entuetive

[orchid rose]

talking of water and physics, do other liquids act the same way that the density by temperature isn't linear?

Water is heaviest at 4 Celsius which I find weird

[crisp sapphire]

water is a one off (i think?)

phase transitions have alot of edge cases like super fluidity, super criticality and helium

Helium is one giant fucking edge case all togeather

Phase transitions and orbital mechanics man. Get ya every time.

[young sigil]

If I remember my high school chemistry correctly, the water density thing is due to hydrogen bonding. It forms a hexagonal lattice when solid, which does not pack as densely as water molecules just hanging out in a liquid. So it is an outlier as far as the usual solid density > liquid density goes.

[crisp sapphire]

sounds about right. High level physics aint my jam so take anything i say with a grain of salt

[deft pewter]

Not always hexagonal, btw. Can be cubic too (and maybe others).

Ice has way too many phases.

For such a simple molecule, it's way too complex.

[hushed basalt]

Crystals man

https://c.tenor.com/VfloMsFII-cAAAAM/rainbow-flash.gif

[bitter pawn]

needs more raccoon gifs

https://media.tenor.com/images/024c2a86c7070b17eb706d0730a37b8c/tenor.gif

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/ae/72/e6ae72f8908be5799bc278a53f250bb3.gif

[crisp sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/358593527296294912/864653101112885268/Screenshot_20210713-195128_eBay.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/358593527296294912/864653101381451796/Screenshot_20210713-195200_eBay.png

Imagine selling yellowcake on ebay

https://tenor.com/view/pike-raccoon-clap-happy-gif-16415223

[opaque girder]

I thought that was normal 😆

how else would one do it anyway lol

worst thing I ever did was using that same cable to test an AC-DC converter

turns out it wasn't rater for 230VAC but for 12VAC 😬

https://tenor.com/view/smallfoot-boom-mindblown-mindblowing-gif-12311709

slightly unacceptable of me to confuse that. Dad's an electrician. I should have known better 😅

[orchid rose]

There was a guy here that made his webcam smart by powering it directly from a sonoff

[opaque girder]

should I even ask where he got the 5V from?

[orchid rose]

what 5V, he ran it directly from 230V 😅

he did figure out there must be a difference between AC and DC etc

we learn from our mistakes I guess, but damn

[opaque girder]

Oh my

must have been a special camera

[last cedar]

I approve

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693583922717523988/864876348664971314/TowelBlink.jpg

[deft pewter]

Our cat's taken to sleeping in my gym bag. Fortunately I'm a fatty and don't go to the gym anymore.

[subtle pasture]

Looks like my cat. Lol

[deft pewter]

He(?) is a cutie.

[subtle pasture]

He, yeah. His name is Gandalf (the grey). lol

[last cedar]

Yep, looks like a towel

[subtle pasture]

We've had him on a weight loss program. Happy to report he's no longer a 20lb hefty-chonk. Last weigh-in was 17 lbs.

[last cedar]

But chonky cats are great!

More belly to rub

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, except he was so fat he would constantly wheeze and snore >_>

[last cedar]

Obviously not so great for them though :(

Oh :(

[deft pewter]

Ours isn't fat and still snores non-stop 😄

[subtle pasture]

He's doing a ton better with less weight

[last cedar]

Same Mono

She is like 2,9Kg?

And snores like she is cutting logs

[deft pewter]

What's that in freedom units?

The UK is weird... metric for loads of stuff, just not weight and speeds 😄

[subtle pasture]

2.9 Kg is like 6.5 lbs

[deft pewter]

That's tiny 😮

I haven't tried weighing ours. Wife does all the vet stuff, it's her cat 😄

[last cedar]

37.383625264749493736 eagles per hamburger @deft pewter

Our 2 big cats were 3,4?

Ish. They are all smol

I think the middle one is actually a raccoon though

But with no thumbs

[crisp sapphire]

Watched one vid on freedom units on yt and now my recommendations are full of crap about why the metric system is superior. Yes, yes ik it is.

[last cedar]

Hehehe!

[deft pewter]

That's more like it. Apparently 10lbs is normal.

[last cedar]

Obviously it gives friendlier numbers. But as long as you measure the same way, no worries. Dad uses 3 inch 10s for screws

And I use 80x5,5 screws

For example

[deft pewter]

The UK's weight system is old school. We don't just do pounds, we do stone and pounds 😂

And since it's imperial, there's not even a common base. 16 frigging ounces in a pound and only 14 frigging pounds in a stone.

[last cedar]

OMG IT IS SO CUTE AND FLUFFY 😻 😻 😻

Please give belly rubs from me

[subtle pasture]

Lol, will do

I'm one of the few people who can give him belly rubs without getting immediately clawed

Most other people get Username is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported

[last cedar]

🤣

[blazing sapphire]

Just seen LTT's video.
Seems he could do with a bit of home-assistant help :p (~7 mins in) https://youtu.be/5SkJdPp35pM

[sour hare]

Well he is considering Home Assistant so would be nice if @shy notch would meet with him 😉

[young sigil]

Yeah he's been pretty active here asking questions.

[blazing sapphire]

Oooh, TIL

[sour hare]

Same

[blazing sapphire]

I'd love to see a HA/LTT/ DrZzz? Collab

Didn't Dr Zzz do a review on a touch-screen display that was like tas, or esphome powered

[sour hare]

Ha switchplate ?

[blazing sapphire]

Yeahh, that's the one!

That, with like a DHT (or better). Combine it with a big-ass relay board, and boom, you've got an uber smart multi-room hvac

[bitter pawn]

LTT is always an interesting youtube.

[blazing sapphire]

Ah yes: https://github.com/HASwitchPlate/HASPone

[bitter pawn]

@last cedar at a party

[last cedar]

@bitter pawn 🦝 🦝 😻

[forest edge]

Nest runs on two wires.. wonder what constitutes as "smart" to him in this case lol

[deft pewter]

More volts, obviously.

[deft pewter]

Ok, this is kinda neat: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/14/22575064/microsoft-windows-365-cloud-pc-launch-date-price-features

[deft pewter]

And this is really neat: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/ok5rvu/marauder_ants_have_a_special_class_of_big_ants/

[cedar chasm]

Is that the thing where they will burrow into that other ants nervous system and/or lobotomize them to take control?

Regardless, ants are cool

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/ant-ant-attack-woman-running-away-giant-ant-gif-17078927

[cedar chasm]

She's about to have a bad time

[deft pewter]

No... click the damned link and read it for yourself 😄

[cedar chasm]

link doesn't really go into much detail, but you are right, we should avoid conversations. AT ALL COSTS

[deft pewter]

🤫

And I think you were referring to cordyceps

The effects of the fungus cause the ants to climb up high, bite down hard on a branch, and just stay there. The fungus 'fruits' and the spore get to travel further because they were so high up. And then the cycle repeats.

I think different versions of the fungus affect different insects. It's all very specialised.

If you want to see it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vijGdWn5-h8

[cedar chasm]

lawdd almaittyyy

[orchid rose]

These are the most disgusting things. Taking abuse to a whole another level

[deft pewter]

Apparently it can also infect spiders:

[orchid rose]

RIP spiderbro. Spiderbros are actually cool and on our side - a little known fact hidden by the anti-spider-mob

[cedar chasm]

Nature is nature

[orchid rose]

Most things we hate, the spiderbro will eat

[deft pewter]

Wolves?

Sharks?

What about people?

[forest edge]

why would you want to hold that in your hand

[deft pewter]

They want to become one with the fungus hivemind.

[orchid rose]

Wolves avoid us, sharks stay away unless we approach their realm. It's true that spiders don't (yet) eat the people we don't like but that's just evolution taking its time

[deft pewter]

sharks stay away unless we approach their realm.
So... the water?

[orchid rose]

yes

[deft pewter]

What about landsharks?

[orchid rose]

I mean those must only exist in America so who cares

[deft pewter]

Hah. That image is actually from a movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6492158/

[cedar chasm]

loansharks

[orchid rose]

I'm not sure even spiders can't deal with them

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/FNMGedjAL1s

[deft pewter]

Stalked 😂

That was pretty corny.

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/Jb-FT4esORYAAAAM/shark-attack-sharknado.gif

[deft pewter]

Sharknado?

[hushed basalt]

Yes

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/7Mf56sux2C4AAAAM/shark-puppet-swimming.gif

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/okgcpd/this_bird_swallows_4_whole_fish_in_less_than_15/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Cormorants like fish. DAMN

[fallow karma]

Good mornin

[deft pewter]

An important safety announcement for all our Scots:

[thorny heron]

Yes Frigate, this is definitely 75% sure a human 😂

[low harness]

Well... about 25% is tail, and besides that... 🤷 close enough

You're just interpreting the results wrong is all. 74% of it looks like a human.

[thorny heron]

Fair enough

[hearty depot]

@deft pewter Might want to ask your wife what I could throw against a ldap/389 server?

[deft pewter]

🤷‍♂️

Bricks should work.

Depends how sturdy the rack is.

[cedar chasm]

Well, recently I have been having a grand old time stuffing content on to my plex-ms.
I'm sure I'm unfashionably late to the party but it is good fun to see ones personal streaming service grow

[deft pewter]

What you using? Radarr and Sonarr?

[cedar chasm]

Didn't go the pirate route, just smooshing in stuff I have around

physical media rips; liberated drm content etc

https://tenor.com/view/angel-saint-look-halo-im-an-angel-gif-5956461

[low harness]

I have all of our video camera recordings from my childhood in the -90s. The rest of the family love it.

[cedar chasm]

That's a good use of the technology. Personal family video cloud

securing that it survives through the ages, it would be a fun legacy

I'm one of those people that tries to get away from the camera, so I wouldn't be the target audience

[deft pewter]

It'll survive until people forget how those formats worked. Just like we still can't read ancient texts 😄

We probably think we're better at archiving stuff now... but I'm sure the ancients thought that too.

[cedar chasm]

stone tablets aren't high def enough? XD

[deft pewter]

It's not about the density of data. It took forever to decipher some older languages that are no longer spoken, despite the massive amounts of text that had been found, simply because there was no point of reference. That's why the Rosetta Stone was a big deal.

Imagine the same thing in a few hundred years. Someone finds an old HDD... but doesn't have the hardware to hook it up to, nor suitable OS's or software to read the contents.

We're counting on the next generation to retain the information needed to understand older tech... but what if something catastrophic happens and that info's lost?

[cedar chasm]

Some loss is probably inevitable

Even if there was a movement dedicated to making sure all information makes the transition to whatever new storage mediums that are invented, there will be gaps, and as you say a cataclysmic event will hit the big ol' reset button