the-water-cooler

[deft pewter]

how much extra does that cost? 😂

[wheat jolt]

Nothing, but you lose some functionality 😂... well more like, most

[deft pewter]

Yeah, so they gimp the hardware if you don't share your data with them.

I'll admit that I'm probably more in the 'pay once, own forever' camp but I'd rather pay a subscription for a cloud service than not pay and be the product.

[wheat jolt]

Yea, but I came from a "consumer" tplink network, so its a reaaalllyy big improvement

You dont pay for unifi cloud tho

You pay a premium for their products 🥲

[deft pewter]

https://i.redd.it/4686yg1sjs571.gif

@last cedar

[static schooner]

I thought the light-colored one was a cat at first. I didn't realize they had such a color range

[deft pewter]

Their acting range is brilliant too.

[real frigate]

What you don't see is the bag of trash she's holding in her other hand to keep them interested... 😉

[wheat jolt]

One question, fat or fluffy?

😂

[deft pewter]

Yes

[wheat jolt]

Amazing

[orchid rose]

Another question. How high?

[last cedar]

Omg it won't load :/

Now it worked

I was the one humping the legs

Spinning is too complicated

[wheat jolt]

[static schooner]

well, it does fall over at the end. so a qualified success

come to think of it, I might fall over if I spun around like that

raccoons, they're just like us!

[wheat jolt]

I would really like to associate with "trash panda"

[lucid bison]

The garage needed some cooling, and I happen to have a few of these old server fans laying around

[crisp sapphire]

im usually the one who takes the cake for jank setups.

but man... thats a good one

Mains exposed ✅
Cabling everywere ✅
Industrial looking supply ✅

are those blowymatrons?

[hushed basalt]

Me coming back to Typescript after 6 weeks in Python land
https://c.tenor.com/CowGNQSUsOYAAAAM/confused-math.gif

[lucid bison]

old server fans, so technically 🤣

[lucid bison]

no earth ✅

[crisp sapphire]

the supply looks like my innitial rgb strip setup i did a few weeks back

[lucid bison]

12v 20A psu

[crisp sapphire]

thing shorted & died (manufacturer defect)

[lucid bison]

aha, ah not so good

[crisp sapphire]

Redid, shorted again, same shitry defect

ordered from diff seller

its sitting pretty in my room waiting for an install

although im actually pretty happy with the faliures. Iv managed to up the safety on each install

conformal coating on strip solder joints, resin on supply terminals, massive seperation between leads.. etc.

[crisp sapphire]

Mine's 5 - 10V 30A

200W worth of fans?

[lucid bison]

lol. i want to use rgb strips, but the tape never sticks

[lucid bison]

about that

each fan is about 3.15A

[crisp sapphire]

75W is still grotesk lol

[lucid bison]

is that a good thing?

[crisp sapphire]

it'll do the job. But the sound...

[lucid bison]

meh, minor issue

its only on from 12:30pm to 5:30 pm

[crisp sapphire]

could pdm them with 180⁰ seperation. Would partially cancel out

[lucid bison]

how so

[crisp sapphire]

Would sound trippy though as it would create an interference pattern

[crisp sapphire]

Hard to explain. Here take a look at this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/16/noise-cancelling-headphones-sound-modern-life

[lucid bison]

yeah electroboom did a video on it

[crisp sapphire]

@lucid bison no modifications? That supply is a streight up fire hazard

[lucid bison]

Yup

Well

I added the fan

[lucid bison]

What mods?

[crisp sapphire]

tied down cabling, added ground, hidden supply & fuses

[hushed basalt]

Why not just get a normal 200mm fan

Plug into mains, smart socket, done

[lucid bison]

It has a 13A fuse

[lucid bison]

I'm gonna get a 240v 18inch fan with shutters thru the wall,

[crisp sapphire]

Fair enough

[lucid bison]

Hopefully

[hushed basalt]

If it's getting hot you're best putting tje ventilation at the top

[crisp sapphire]

Esp & mqtt or smart plug?

[lucid bison]

I need to find a temp sensore that can work with ha,so that once the room temp is past a certain threshold it turns on the fan

[hushed basalt]

That's the easy bit

Zigbee xiaomi

[crisp sapphire]

@lucid bison

[hushed basalt]

Or anything with esphome

[lucid bison]

There's an exhaust at the top, thru the ducting, and the 2 intake fans at the bottom

[lucid bison]

Got a link, and does it need a hub?

Also hardwired?

[crisp sapphire]

grabbing rn

[lucid bison]

Cool

[crisp sapphire]

Yea hardwired

[hushed basalt]

I'd put the fan on the ducting on the top

[lucid bison]

It is

[hushed basalt]

And just leave vents for the doors

[lucid bison]

It sucks hot air from outside and ducts outside

[crisp sapphire]

Digital, controller on senaor itself with power & data lines going to eap. No resistive "find the coefficient of x" crap

[lucid bison]

It's only temporary untill I knock holes thru walls into the side ally

[lucid bison]

Who da wha wha?

[crisp sapphire]

some sensors are analog & you need to take the wire resistence going to the thing into account

[static schooner]

you're taking the outside air and pushing it back outside?

[lucid bison]

No

Oh

Wait

[crisp sapphire]

https://esphome.io/components/sensor/dht.html

[lucid bison]

I mean it's taking hot air from the top of the room, and ducts outside thru door

[crisp sapphire]

generic sensor i picked up after 5 mins of looking around on the esphome compatibility thing

it works about as good as any generic sensor

[lucid bison]

I got no clue how to wire it ip

[crisp sapphire]

its dead easy. Three pins.

[lucid bison]

I tried to use an Arduino to make a temp sensor with a screen, blew the damn thing up

Got a link for the xaomi sensor?

[crisp sapphire]

Two Power and one data. Power goes to 3.3V and ground and data to any of the data (Dx) pins

[lucid bison]

Yeah but how to network

[crisp sapphire]

you flash eaphome onto the... well... ESP 8266/32 (go figure) and copy paste 10 lines of "code" (yaml)

google: "esphome tempsensor inurl:youtube"

[lucid bison]

Too advanced for my pea brain, I'll buy ready made 😁

[crisp sapphire]

if you managed to wire that fire hazard up without flat lining...
This will be childs play

order it & il walk you through the entire thing step by step. Shits like 12$. Nothing to lose

[lucid bison]

Don't worry, I think I did a couple times

[lucid bison]

Can it be wired network?

[crisp sapphire]

il have to look at that

[lucid bison]

Tbh I'll just give u RDP access to my pc

It will be better for your sanity

[crisp sapphire]

haha. Brave or foolish, not sure

[lucid bison]

Well I have guacamole RDP set up

I host some servers for people

[crisp sapphire]

that'll work lol. Does it strictly need to be wired? Is wifi not available?

[lucid bison]

I prefer wired as WiFi is dog shite

I only use WiFi for devices like tablets, and mobiles etc

Everything else is wired

[crisp sapphire]

if 2.4 Ghz wifi's available, use that. Trust me ESP's only require like 10 Kbps and barely use any resources

[lucid bison]

I mean true, there is an ap in the toilet next to it

Ill have a think

[crisp sapphire]

perfect. Leme get some amazon links

US resident?

[lucid bison]

Hows it powered? Have been trying to find poe ones cause it's all in garage

[lucid bison]

Uk

[crisp sapphire]

you got a socket within 5m of were the temp sensor's gonna be located?

[lucid bison]

Only 16A

Not normal sockets

[crisp sapphire]

the ESP takes micro USB

[lucid bison]

Ah

[crisp sapphire]

so any crappy 5W usb adapter and cable will do

[lucid bison]

I'll wire something up

[crisp sapphire]

can be as low as 2W

[lucid bison]

As I only have like the camping style socket

Like this

[crisp sapphire]

do it howevers best. All thats needed is bog standard 5V over micro USB

Ah, NEMA connectors

[lucid bison]

Ye

Oh wait I forgot

Servers have usb

😅

[crisp sapphire]

there ya go. Prob solved

[lucid bison]

I'll have a look at how it works and I'll decide

U got a link for the xaomi one too?

Anything 12v is easiest

I can use the PSU for the fans

[crisp sapphire]

got amazon prime?

[lucid bison]

Yep

[crisp sapphire]

Never said anything about a xiaomi one. Must've been some other guy

but browse around a bit looking for esp compatible sensors

[lucid bison]

Oops, you got a link pet?

Does ZigBee need a hub?

My home assistant runs on a server

Kinda overpowered for what it is doing rn

I did my first Linux command that worked first time today

[static schooner]

was it "ls"?

[lucid bison]

No lol

[static schooner]

or rm -rf /

[crisp sapphire]

never used zigbee crap. Hubs Seems redundant & bulky to me

[lucid bison]

It was sudo systemctl stop firewalld

[crisp sapphire]

I stick to standard stuff

[lucid bison]

Someone told me to do that once, I did it and oh boi, I could've punched them through the screen

[crisp sapphire]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AZDelivery-Temperature-Humidity-Raspberry-including/dp/B078SVZB1X/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=dht+22&qid=1623975814&refinements=p_76%3A419158031&rnid=419157031&rps=1&sr=8-6
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AZDelivery-NodeMcu-ESP8266-Development-including/dp/B06Y1ZPNMS/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=esp+8266&qid=1623975715&refinements=p_76%3A419158031&rnid=419157031&rps=1&sr=8-4

~12$. Both prime

[lucid bison]

ELDER IM LOOKING AT A CONNECTION FAILED LOOP AND I AM BORED

[crisp sapphire]

Actually.. didnt check shipping crap so make sure you dont overpay

[lucid bison]

Oh, wrong chat

[lucid bison]

Thanks pet I'll have a looksies

Also, you thought the fans wiring was bad, you should see the mains wiring

😬

240v from breaker comes into a 10A fuse, thru to a 63A 3phase switch then to the NEMA socket

I like da big clunk

It's extremely straight

[crisp sapphire]

What do you use the 3 phase for?

You've got home assistant setup correct? @lucid bison

[lucid bison]

I don't, single phase in, split to 3 outputs

[lucid bison]

?

[crisp sapphire]

oh boy, we'll have to set that up aswell.
Ig you should go for that xiaomi thing

Easier

[lucid bison]

At the moment all ha does is report a couple servers usage, lets me controle the two smart sockets, see how many players are on my MC server, see the weather and soon, cameras

The android app is shite

[crisp sapphire]

Ah, so you do have it...

[lucid bison]

Like

Yes

[crisp sapphire]

ok than thats fine

[lucid bison]

I didn't understand the question that's all

[crisp sapphire]

Lol

[lucid bison]

Lmao

Ha has 16 cores and 72gb ram

The CCTV pc has 4cores, 8gb ram, 500gb boot and 4tb hdd for recording

Oh and it monitors my printers

I'm gonna spend some money on wifi light switches, sockets, door locks and cameras

I'm tempted to somehow make an alarm system

As when we had building work they never installed the burglar alarm

So we haven't had one for like 5yrs

Is there an alarm co trol panel that will work with my keypad and motion sensors, but also work with ha over network

So that I can also disarm using ha

Or using AI with the cameras

[forest edge]

👆 shaping up to be a funny HA disaster story

[static schooner]

<and we never heard from them again>

[crisp sapphire]

Disaster indeed

[lucid bison]

Where's the disaster part

[crisp sapphire]

Idk. Seems like a super janky setup

But if it works, it works

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[green inlet]

You cut holes in your doors for server fans 🤷🏼‍♂️ when you wake up after the meth wears off, let us know.

[lucid bison]

I mean, the fans are temporary, but the airflow is much better than the bathroom fan I used to have, and atleast it stops the room getting to 43°c

[lucid bison]

That's my motto,

If it works it works

And if it works, don't touch it

[lucid bison]

Because it will likely break, or you will get a shock

That's the general rule in the server room for me

[last dirge]

what in code violation did I miss?

[lucid bison]

With me, many, fire codes, electrical codes, etc

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze 124 F in death valley.. you feeling like an egg on the hood of a car yet?

[last dirge]

I think he's east cost this week and next

[solid edge]

For storage. When it comes to public reads, that’s where the money starts brrrr-ing. However, there’s always a solution and that solution is a Cloudfront distribution proxying cached copies at next to no cost.

[hushed basalt]

Do an amazon.com and use fastly 🤣

[forest edge]

wut

[late gate]

7am is too early for me 🥱

[pearl token]

Hey everyone,

I have recently started a Instagram Page dedicated to Home Automation. Please like, follow, share 🙂

https://www.instagram.com/indianautomationguy/

Rishab

[young sigil]

Instagram? 🤮

[clever mortar]

I'm sure it has something it does well, other than harvest more data for Facebook...

[hearty depot]

Yes, it makes people unhappy because they start compare themselves to influencers

[clever mortar]

There's always going to be people who're better at something, have more X, etc. But if you compare somebody's strengths against your weaknesses you're in for a sad life

[deft pewter]

Even if I compare other people's weaknesses against my weaknesses, I feel sad 😂

But yeah, the only person you should compare yourself to is who you were yesterday.

(I know, you're not used to me being so deep...)

[clever mortar]

Since yesterday... I've increased my uptime

(I've probably also increased my waistline, but hey)

[deft pewter]

Since yesterday, I've had more interview practise and feel less nervous 😄

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-success-yess-gif-15157552

[deft pewter]

I hate talking to strangers.

[clever mortar]

Yeah. I get that one

[deft pewter]

I'm not even nervous about the interview-specific bits. I can describe what I do and sell myself well. I just don't like people.

[clever mortar]

My problem has always been that my achievements are just ... things I've done. "Clearly" none of it was special, so I never shout about my achievements.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, it's easy to perceive everything as just normal.

[clever mortar]

I remember a chat with somebody I used to work with, and look up to, and was blown away when they said they looked up to me, because of all the things I had done, and could do

One day I'll believe in myself

[deft pewter]

It's all just a matter of perspective. I keep telling my junior dev that he shouldn't compare himself against what he sees from the more experienced devs. He sees the end result. He doesn't see all the failures we made along the way (and still do).

He doesn't see me bashing my head off my desk when I get stuck on something 😂

Back in a bit... next interview 😄

[clever mortar]

Yeah. I had a chat like that with somebody years ago... You only don't see my mistakes since I usually catch them first

https://tenor.com/view/friends-chandler-joey-good-job-great-job-gif-12374537

[real frigate]

Good luck...

He doesn't see me bashing my head off my desk when I get stuck on something

SO MUCH THIS.

I had to teach a junior dev yesterday why inserting the word 'null' to a DB was bad. 🤦‍♂️

[hushed basalt]

I don't always drop tables

But when I do, I do it in production

[real frigate]

That's a developer's mantra right there 😉

[late gate]

In norway an need an g10 cpu? Weirdly probably wrong priced price drop of i9-10900x for just 250usd https://prisguiden.no/produkt/intel-core-i9-10900x-402158

[deft pewter]

The worst I've done was drop a table on our QA environment but even that was pretty embarrassing since a lot of our internal stakeholders test their integrations against it.

[real frigate]

I once dropped an entire prod DB. It was also while our backup server was offline for 4 days because another IT staff member forgot to check that the tape jukebox actually had tapes in it. That was... fun... ish. lol

[wooden egret]

Is just cutting off internet for cloud-abled IoT devices as safe as putting them into a vlan?

in practice

[hushed basalt]

Not as safe but probably enough

Clever device developers could rotate the MAC though

[wooden egret]

Clever device developers could rotate the MAC though
haven't seen my devices do that i think

[glacial knot]

If you are very lucky you grab one of those devices that just don’t have a proper one and regenerate it on boot

But I think those don’t get CE certified

[deft pewter]

CE's got nothing to do with the protocol stuff, surely? It's about physical safety.

[glacial knot]

I know it got some EMC compliance stuff. Having a proper mac is very basic copmliance for wifi. Though I'm unsure if that's tested

[deft pewter]

CE marking is an administrative marking with which the manufacturer or importer affirms its conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards for products sold within the European Economic Area (EEA).
I'll admit that I don't know what is tested, but that description suggests they don't give a damn about the software/firmware side.

[clever mortar]

Pretty much

Will it start a fire is the kind of thing they ask

[subtle pasture]

The only devices I've seen do this are iPhones, tbh...

But yeah, best bet is to place IoT devices in their own VLAN, and route only the traffic you need

[glacial knot]

iOS doesn't randomize it on connect though iirc. Only one per network

[subtle pasture]

That hasn't been my experience trying to track why my girlfriend's iPhone is on the wifi. It still occasionally rotates its MAC address for no apparent reason.

[glacial knot]

do you rotate your BSSIDs?

[subtle pasture]

Had to turn off the "Private WiFi Addresses" feature for our SSID on that phone to get it to stop

[glacial knot]

it's been stable on mine so far

[subtle pasture]

Good luck 🤷‍♀️

All I know is hers would be fine for a few days/weeks, then suddenly change.

The only thing that fixed it was explicitly telling it not to mask its MAC address on our network

The other annoyance with iPhones is that they don't send beacons very often when they're not actively in use, so they tend to appear "offline" for 15 to 30 minutes at a time

[glacial knot]

how do they manage that while keeping push messages viable?

I've seen 5-ish when I had the simple ping method from openhab active

Haven't tried anything more reliable yet

[subtle pasture]

Because the 4G radio is always listening

[glacial knot]

really? Does it route all the push over 4G?

[subtle pasture]

No, but the carrier can ALWAYS get the device to leave deep sleep by pinging it over the cell network

[glacial knot]

so it'd get pinged to wake up, then re-associate with wifi?

[subtle pasture]

Ideally

[glacial knot]

hm

I should log how it behaves...

[subtle pasture]

Or you just deal with delayed notifications

That's what Android does in deep sleep. It literally only gets pushes on set time intervals

[glacial knot]

outside discord being a derp, most notifications come in quicker than some of the web interfaces refresh o.0

[subtle pasture]

Or when you physically move the phone, because it keeps the gyro and prox sensors alive

It's worth mentioning that modern phones are context-aware, and adjust their sleep intervals based on their current sensor readings

A phone being carried in a pants pocket will wake more often than a phone sitting face-down on a table for hours.

It's literally more responsive when you're paying attention to it

[glacial knot]

it's usually face up on my couch

[clever mortar]

Android does that too these days, random MAC every time you connect

[forest edge]

thankfully you can turn that off

[clever mortar]

Yup

[static schooner]

I got tired of seeing "random" devices on my network

[subtle pasture]

When did they start doing that? I'm on Android 10 and my MAC is fixed

[clever mortar]

Ages before that, but you may need stock

[static schooner]

I put up with the big, scary warning so that it's easier for me to keep track of what/who is on my network

[subtle pasture]

I don't even have the option to enable MAC randomization on this phone. lol

[clever mortar]

Certainly on 11 you have to turn it off for each SSID

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-a-randomized-mac-address-in-android-10/

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, saw that. Doesn't exist on this phone

[clever mortar]

Manufacturer's do weird stuff

[subtle pasture]

There's no gear icon next to the currently-connected SSID

Long-pressing a connection brings up a context menu where I can access advanced settings, but MAC randomization isn't one of them.

[clever mortar]

Blame your manufacturer for doing what they all do 😛

[subtle pasture]

instructions unclear, LG exits the entire smartphone market

Which is a shame, because LG phones were they only ones I liked...

I have no idea what I'll get when/if this LG v35 dies.

[clever mortar]

Heh, I'd a couple of LG made Nexus phones... the ones where LG screwed up the hardware

After the second one I'd never touch LG again

[subtle pasture]

Oh, yeah, I have an LG G3 that died the same way (it was ostensibly the same exact hardware as the LG nexus phones, in a different shell, so yeah..."

Strictly speaking, that wasn't LGs fault. A ton of electronics from that era failed due to the lead-free solder changeover

[clever mortar]

Yeah, but they handled the warranty part ... poorly

[subtle pasture]

On the Nexus side of things, Google handled the warranty replacements

[clever mortar]

Yeah, that bit did work, if slowly

I got a nice replacement that died 3 months later 😂

[subtle pasture]

I upgraded from the G3 to a G6, then to a v35

Nothing wrong with the G6, still works, it's just old now 😛

[tender tusk]

I believe that the last LG phone I had was on android 4.4 or something like this

[subtle pasture]

I'd go back to Nokia if they'd hurry up and release a phone better/faster than the v35... Even the new Nokia 8.3 5G (released 2020) has a slower SoC than the v35 (released 2018)

Hah, and the Nokia 9 has exactly the same SoC as the v35...

Maybe they'll have something that's an actual upgrade in another year...

Motorola has exactly one phone that's faster than the v35, and it's a $999 Verizon exclusive...

https://tenor.com/view/kizuna-ai-anime-difficult-situation-unexpected-issue-gif-15862410

At this rate I'm going to wind up with an LG v60 because it's one of the few reasonable options out there 😂

[forest edge]

your idea of reasonable is a little messed up lol

[subtle pasture]

...it's unreasonable to expect to find a phone faster than a 3-year-old phone for under $999?

[deft pewter]

I'd be happy with a Pixel... but with how rarely I leave the house now, a new cell phone doesn't seem important.

[subtle pasture]

because that's a pretty reasonable thing to expect after 3 years, I'd think...

[forest edge]

when you limit yourself to the bargain bin.. yea

[subtle pasture]

How exactly am I limiting myself to the bargain bin? lol

[deft pewter]

Bargain bin? I'm with Leapo on this... a grand is a LOT to spend on a phone and not get your money's worth.

[subtle pasture]

I'm over here looking at $999 phones, because they're the only upgrades that are actual upgrades...

[clever mortar]

I upgraded my OG Pixel XL to a Pixel 4a simply because the battery life in the XL was down to about 20 minutes

[subtle pasture]

For whatever reason, the Snapdragon 845 is still being used in brand new phones, 3 years later... none of which are real upgrades from a v35. Anything with a Snapdragon 865 or 888 is absurdly expensive.

[clever mortar]

Quite fast enough, and capable enough, for me. I don't need a pocket laptop, I need a smart phone 😛

[subtle pasture]

Pixel 4a also uses a slower SoC (snapdragon 730G), and would be a massive downgrade >_>

[forest edge]

can always buy used as well...

[clever mortar]

I can't say I've ever found a phone to be too slow, but maybe I'm not the target audience for requiring constant go faster stripes on my phone

[subtle pasture]

Honestly, the only phones I can find with a Snapdragon 865, below $999, are the Samsung Galaxy S20, and the LG v60

[clever mortar]

Acutally, my original Nexus wasn't fast... and I did notice the upgrade from that

[forest edge]

why does it have to be the 865?

[subtle pasture]

I'd take an 888 as well...

Anything with an 845 or lower is a side-grade or downgrade...

my current phone already has an 845 😛

[clever mortar]

If you're wanting speed demons, you get to pay lots for them

[subtle pasture]

I paid $179 for this phone, outright <_<

[forest edge]

back in 2018?

[subtle pasture]

In 2019

[forest edge]

if you google 845 vs 765G you'll see speed wise they are very similar but you get all the extra perks with the newer 765G

[subtle pasture]

It's just... really weird to see EXACTLY the same Snapdragon 845 SoC, still being used in brand new phones, 3 years later...

[forest edge]

so wouldn't go as fas as saying it's a downgrade

[subtle pasture]

I did also say "or side-grade"

[forest edge]

wouldn't really go that far either. it's like comparing newer intel chips to last gen

[subtle pasture]

Uh, I'm looking at benchmarks now. The 845 wipes the floor with the 765 in AnTuTu and 3DMark...

The only thing the 765 has going for it is integrated 5G, and potentially better battery life

[clever mortar]

WTF do you do with your phone where that stuff matters?

Is it your gaming platform too?

[subtle pasture]

I just don't think I should drop $400+ on something that's a side-grade...

Especially when the original device only cost $179

[forest edge]

I wouldn't go based off those lol

honestly i don't think the pixel 4 or 5 is worth a shit anyways, maybe 6 will be better

so i agree you should hold off

but you do need to ditch lg lol

[subtle pasture]

Like I said, I'd like to go back to Nokia, but their fastest phone is... still using an 845. lol

[forest edge]

because those companies are not the big hitters anymore

hell look at the oneplus line which is now secondary to whatever that weird ass name of the company who bought them

and oneplus use to be really good

[subtle pasture]

No Qi charging on OnePlus 😭

Otherwise I'd be looking at them for sure

[forest edge]

oh wah

i don't even use mine

[subtle pasture]

Hey, not my fault that everyone else has Qi but them

Even Apple has it now. lolz

[forest edge]

you can find plenty of phones for well under a grand that will be an upgrade to yours. there is more to phones than just the chip lol

[subtle pasture]

I already mentioned the two I could find: Samsung Galaxy S20 and the LG v60

So, yes, you're right

They're between $400 and $700, depending on carrier/unlocked/used status

[forest edge]

both those companies have taken a turn towards shitzville imo

[subtle pasture]

I mean, LG doesn't even make phones anymore, and I've never wanted a Samsung phone

[forest edge]

LG has almost always been a turd tho

[subtle pasture]

Like, ever. Samsung's phones simply do not appeal to me.

[forest edge]

aside from a very brief period

[subtle pasture]

Apparently I got in at the right time on LG, because this phone has been a dream 🤷‍♀️

The only Samsung phone I've ever owned was a Samsung Focus, and that was a Windows Phone 7 handset.

So Microsoft prevented Samsung from junking it up

Microsoft had the right idea when they basically told OEMs "Every phone is going to run the same OS. Period. No modifications"

[static schooner]

And then there was no differentiation and it died

[subtle pasture]

Unfortunately Google can't exercise that level of control over Android

@static schooner The lack of differentiation between handsets had nothing to do with the plug being pulled

In fact, I'd consider the consistency across OEMs to be one of their bigger strengths

Apple does the same thing

It's just that Apple doesn't allow any other OEM to produce phones running iOS, but if they did, they'd absolutely enforce the same OS consistency that Microsoft did on Windows phones

Google is making an attempt with their Android One program, where participating handsets will be consistent

But they can't really stop OEMs from modifying android, given how it's open source

[wooden egret]

@subtle pasture what's wrong with Samsungs

their shell is quite good nowadays

[cedar chasm]

Though it might not represent the latest Samsung Android concepts, I'm not too fond of my Samsung Note 10

plus, seems they nerfed screen casting; probably because it competes with their DeX concept

I'll be going back to some form of Android One handset the next time I switch

[real frigate]

I ditched my Note10 for my iPhone11. I love a lot of the features of the Note series, but it just feels like everything that made the Note, well, THE Note, is being erased in every new version of it.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge it's death valley supposed to be hot.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[real frigate]

I couldn't imagine being/living in Death Valley... and this is coming from someone who spent 10+ years in Phoenix.

[deft pewter]

I've been using that as my Teams background lately, even in job interviews. Gets a chuckle from anyone that recognises it 😄

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge 4 hours left to LA. I will let you know for sure. But trust me IT'S Always FINE 😆

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzelet us know if looking out the window at the wing looks something like the space shuttle re-entry

[tidal bronze]

Lmao.

It was like that in TN

[forest edge]

yuk it's 100F outside right now in the shade

[tidal bronze]

Are you sure your re-entry is looking good ?

[real frigate]

Hence why no one should ever go to Missouri. 🙂

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzetry going inland alittle more and your shit sky rockets lol

[tidal bronze]

So now you want me to go looking for 100f weather. You are something else. All this time I was thinking you were in your flip flops, running your fingers through your hair in 71f weather sipping on some gin and juice. What a let down.

You should stop talking about others people's climate issues until you solve your 100f problems. 🤣

[wooden egret]

why

[forest edge]

this coming from someone enjoying his 80F while his state is ablaze

@tidal bronzesome day that ocean won't be keeping your temps down.. mark my words!

[tidal bronze]

Marked!

But until such time

[cedar chasm]

apart from screen casting nerf; I'm always caught in the crosshairs of some "optimization" efforts.
Apps I don't use often, but need to work WHEN I need them are constantly having their data purged.
Other things too, just a general feel of me having to react to silly stuff

[wooden egret]

how weird, i don't have anything that could even purge data on my s10

must be a new shitty "maintenance" app

what's the purpose of casting btw?

screen i assume

[cedar chasm]

On stock Android you can cast anything to Chromecast through the Google Home app at the very least

On my old Pixel 2 XL I could set up screen casting, fire up a game, connect a Game Controller and live the good life

[forest edge]

gaming on phone.. gross

[cedar chasm]

worked well for snes/gba emulators and such

anywayz, it's not like I do that 24/7/365 but no longer having the option gets noticed.

[subtle pasture]

It's 109 here right now...

"Sunny"

no shit...

[static schooner]

coastal life

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you should stop causing all these air rages https://youtu.be/bL8cQgUgqAg

lol modesto.. why does that name sound familiar with something funny

[tidal bronze]

I have seen my share 😆 now numb to all in-flight drama.

Few days ago read 2 guys being removed for fighting for arm rest space. More interesting shit to come with post pandemic travel.

[static schooner]

isn't it literally impossible to open the plane door from inside while in flight?

[subtle pasture]

It's George Lucas', Jeremy Renner, and Scott Peterson's hometown

You might recognize a few of those names

Famous director, famous actor, famous murderer >.>

[tidal bronze]

Yep. You can't.

[static schooner]

should just let him keep beating on it until he tires out 🙂

[subtle pasture]

Wtf... Scott Peterson is actually in the new again, right now...

There's some timing for ya'

Dude has been in prison since 2004

[forest edge]

nah there is something along the lines of the same line used for Hoboken NJ in Dude where is my car https://youtu.be/OcNKRnha7Rs I'll remember it it evenetually

[subtle pasture]

Oh, Modesto was mentioned in Monsters vs. Aliens

It's the city that gets destroyed when the aliens crash-land on earth...

[forest edge]

maybe that's it lol

[subtle pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2SRGFVg0Uc

This is also the movie where Steven Colbert plays The President of the United States

[forest edge]

if I had to walk past you in first class or business to reach coach seating i'd probably knock the laptop off your tray table too lol

or eat a whole lot of beans before boarding

[subtle pasture]

Hah, both Dude, Where's My Car? and Monsters vs. Aliens involve a giant woman.

[tidal bronze]

Beans should not be a problem with new air filtration system.

Perks of covid

[forest edge]

hepa filters huh lol

with a spritiz of fabreeze

[forest edge]

it probably was that movie I was thinking of

[tidal bronze]

Plus masks no beans issues.

[real frigate]

Eh, not bad.

[tidal bronze]

Oh nice. @forest edge see that's livable temp👆

[lucid bison]

how do i run as root in terminal? of normal linux terminal

[forest edge]

thats over 50% humidity tho.. it's 90F here with humidity in the 30's

it's like 60% humidty where you are lol

https://youtu.be/MGSsu6pfOoY

[tidal bronze]

That dry heat huh 🤣

[lucid bison]

anyone know why root has been denied access?

[glacial knot]

Wrong password? Wringer username in the db?

[lucid bison]

shouild all be correct

am going to ubuntu now

[glacial knot]

The root denied access here isn’t the os user. But some kind of user in your database

[lucid bison]

ahh ok

thx

[ashen kayak]

did you define the pw for the db?

[lucid bison]

Erm

Unknown

Its me and a friend Trying to set it up

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/o31cwl/skrillexbangarang_animal_cover/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Excellent

[last cedar]

Found on reddit earlier

[forest edge]

little did he know that was a compactor trash truck

[last cedar]

NOoooooooooooooo

[fallow karma]

It's inside

[last cedar]

Ooof, time to move to the arctic

[glacial knot]

25C inside right now. But the outside is starting to be hotter than in :/

[fallow karma]

And outside

[last cedar]

Ooooooof

[dawn prawn]

Shithouse here but I kinda like it

[glacial knot]

let's see atx's -5

[dawn prawn]

With a heatwave of 17 mid week

And Norwegians will be heading to Svalbard to take a summer midnight skinny dip in the ocean

[cedar chasm]

Soylent Green is raccoons?

[last cedar]

Perhaps :P

[misty patrol]

Greetings everyone

[young sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-everybody-simpsons-wave-gif-12144219

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ned-flanders-hi-the-simpsons-diddly-ho-neighborino-gif-9275724

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/RBiPa5fWHbcAAAAM/yooohooo-hi-there.gif

[lucid girder]

Hi All, I've just joined the discord community after hanging around on the various fora for a while absorbing all the info I could from the very talented and kind contibutors to the HA website. With the info I've gathered I've been able to set up HA supervised running on a VM on my Synology NAS. It seems to be working well but I am getting numerous and regular errors from one of my entities (Chromecast built into a Sony TV) but I'm comforted by some research that I've done that it's not a huge problem, it's just clogging the log. I've ordered a Conbee 2 stick and installing that will be my next task! I think that I've found myself an absorbing hobby with useful outputs. I'm encouraged by the wonderful support given by the community and I just wanted to say a big thank you to all who have contributed guidance and support for others. Thank you

[last cedar]

How far off are we 3d printing living things?

I think it might be my only chance to get a real raccoon pet

[deft pewter]

Haven't there already been advances in 3D printing organs?

[last cedar]

But raccoons tho? :P

[deft pewter]

I know printing an entire organism is harder but that's a massive first step. I'd guess the nervous system will be the challenge, especially if you want a functioning brain.

But if we're only talking raccoons, we can skip that step.

[last cedar]

OMG RUDE

https://tenor.com/view/funny-raccoon-hail-king-crown-gif-15551856

I guess I need to acquire one then

[deft pewter]

If anyone ever discovers a raccoon that big, it'd better star in the next Godzilla movie.

[last cedar]

I would hate to see how much poo it makes

[tidal bronze]

Anyone running flume?

[last cedar]

Logflume??

https://tenor.com/view/having-fun-grizzly-bear-ice-bear-panda-bear-we-bare-bears-gif-16701532

[deft pewter]

Wooo. Now I want to go back to Disneyworld.

[tidal bronze]

Disney 😫

[deft pewter]

What's wrong with it?

[tidal bronze]

Everything unless you have a speed pass

[deft pewter]

Disability pass 💯

Wife qualifies, so we've always had the fast passes at all the parks.

[tidal bronze]

Lucky now that makes it worthwhile

[deft pewter]

They're pretty good with non-visible disabilities. Father in law was given a pass when we went with them. He'd recently had a hip replacement and couldn't stand for too long at once.

[tidal bronze]

One in CA I like but one FL with the humidity, even with a pass, no thank you.

[deft pewter]

I don't mind it. We've been in June and October. That's as hot and humid as I'd be comfortable with.

Would never go there in the height of summer.

[tidal bronze]

Went in April for like 5 days and I called quits after 1 day, the one in FL. Lol

[deft pewter]

I struggled a bit last time but I'd put on a lot of weight. Shifting it all again now, so at least I won't look like a native next time.

[tidal bronze]

The Anaheim, CA one is nice weather wise throughout the year.

[deft pewter]

Yeah but I don't want to die in a wildfire.

[tidal bronze]

No wildfires there. Ever.

[deft pewter]

😮

What about ducks?

[tidal bronze]

Ducks?

[deft pewter]

Anaheim...

Not a hockey fan, eh?

[tidal bronze]

Plenty

Oh lol no

[deft pewter]

Wonder if the movies being based on them was anything to do with having a Disney park there too.

[tidal bronze]

No idea.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, directly related:

The club was founded in 1993 by The Walt Disney Company as the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, a name based on the 1992 film The Mighty Ducks.

Not based on them. They were created for the movie.

That's gotta be pretty unique. Can't be many world-famous sports teams that were just magicked up for a movie.

[glacial knot]

there's world famous hokey teams?

[deft pewter]

Sure. Some of them even rhyme... like the Canucks 😄

Just don't ask me to name any more... that's about the extent of my hockey knowledge.

[wet pilot]

Hockey and F1 are the only sports I really follow

[hearty depot]

Soon 30°c inside

[tidal bronze]

30c inside ?

[orchid rose]

We mostly don't do air conditioning in Europe. I can't remember where Underknowledge is from though

[tidal bronze]

That's what I gathered from my travels but anything above 24c inside is 🙄

[glacial knot]

My office is going above 30C for a week now
I'll honestly consider one of these portable/single-room AC thingies

[crisp sapphire]

32 here

pretty comfy imo. But others are sweltering

[hearty depot]

I swet and swear

[lucid bison]

You should see my garage / server room temps, been up to like 58°c in there, now sits around 33°c with the fans

[deft pewter]

You're not running a nation's internet from in there like someone else we know, are you?

[hearty depot]

that's the temperature where I slowly get nervous

[crisp sapphire]

58 degrees

what were your clocks at? 250 Mhz?

[hearty depot]

thing what would intresst me, whats hosted on there ?

[late gate]

58 degrees cant be good for hard drives

[hearty depot]

well, not to wild, seen worse

[late gate]

Im assuming the drives are warmer than the room temperature though

[crisp sapphire]

for sure

58 C is 5 - 8 degrees hotter than the minimum max surviviable post acclimation temp for humans.

Talk about custom HAMR drives!

[lucid bison]

yup

to both

[fallow fox]

For all parents out there: https://twitter.com/abrookins/status/1405316308904800257?s=21

Andrew Brookins (@abrookins)

My 2-year-old daughter's favorite stuffed animal, "Meow-Meow," is a critical service in my house, so I run a highly available three-node Meow-Meow cluster.

Here's how it works:

1. Three observer processes monitor the current Meow-Meow leader (wife, oldest daughter, and me)

Retweets

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Twitter · Jun 17, 2021, 12:08 AM

[hushed basalt]

Neighbours burning a wood heater

What is this, 18th century London

https://c.tenor.com/V6DWXp91taYAAAAM/mary-poppins.gif

[late gate]

I can confirm its no metal in the vaccine. Just did an MR today and i did not blow up :p

[young sigil]

Well that's no fun.

[light trout]

You got saltwater instead https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/oA42nK/syv-personer-fikk-saltvannsinjeksjon-i-stedet-for-vaksine

[late gate]

Darn, that’s why i had no side effects except being extra annoying

[last cedar]

Would be nice as a backup tbh

[hushed basalt]

I'll figjt you

https://c.tenor.com/52vZqb7l11QAAAAM/cat-dance.gif

[wooden egret]

Does anyone know what's the beef between HACS and SmartIR devs

i saw a bunch of issues where people asked it to be added to HACS default repos with the issues just closes without proper explanation, only saying "it's for certain reasons"

[deft pewter]

That's the exact response they gave you?

[wooden egret]

not to me but to another person

[deft pewter]

Word for word?

Share a link.

[wooden egret]

no, but i don't think i misinterpreted

https://github.com/smartHomeHub/SmartIR/issues/512

[static schooner]

Well, that’s curious

[wooden egret]

and in this one the issue was closed without a proper explanation too, even after ludeeus implemented (from what i see) the feature the lead dev said HACS was lacking
https://github.com/smartHomeHub/SmartIR/issues/142

[deft pewter]

No idea then. Can't see any hints of hostility.

Open source can be great... but people often have different opinions on how things should be done.

[low harness]

It seems smartir wants to be able to update itself. Hacs does not allow that without erroring out. The change mentioned there was to remove the requirement for github Releases, and instead let users update to the latest commit to github.

So it seems to be a question about opt-out automatic updates... Nope. It's not automatic updates

Could just be a misunderstanding if that's the full reason. Version checking has been in hacs for a long time now.

[peak mountain]

Here's something I've been wondering for the past few days (as I spend more time in r/selfhosted)

For those of you who use docker-compose, do you use one docker-compose.yml file for all your programs, or use multiple files and start them independently?
I've seen arguments for both methods, and I can't really get a grasp for which method is more commonly used

[deft pewter]

Put related stuff in one. Or just everything in one.

There's not much of a reason to split everything.

If you're starting them independently, why even use an orchestration tool? 🤯

[low harness]

This seems to be the explantion: https://github.com/smartHomeHub/SmartIR/issues/181 SmartIR stores persistent data in custom_components rather than .storage for some reason, and HACS wipes that before upgrading.

[wooden egret]

@low harness this says that HACS fixed it

https://github.com/smartHomeHub/SmartIR/issues/220#issuecomment-525463568

[low harness]

You're right. This seems to have been about support for hacs installation at all. Then I have no idea.

[last cedar]

Thinking maybe geothermal, and then a wood burning stove for food and heating water as backup (power problem). Solar with batteries, and a backup generator to charge batteries if something went wrong, or bypass completwly

And own well, and waste

I realise it sounds a little apocalypsey though. That is my goal. Off grid.

[hearty depot]

packed out the mobile AC again
I hope i ll be able to sleep tonight
I hate summer

[clever mortar]

Move further North and it'll be fine

[low harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOIPb1_aCU

[last cedar]

Yeah, summer sucks

Looking forward to winter

[deft pewter]

Just come back to the UK where it's always winter.

[distant mesa]

Can anyone recommend some RGBW bulbs that don't flicker at <30% brightness? I'm sick of buying bulbs and sending them back due to flickering. UK if possible.

[glacial knot]

Is this a #hardware-archived question?

[distant mesa]

Well yes, but i thought that section was for HA hardware, like raspberry pi and PC/linux etc.

Maybe we need a "related -> devices" section?

[static schooner]

that's what #hardware-archived is

[distant mesa]

ok, i'll repost there.

[deft pewter]

This is the 'nothing to do with HA' section.

[static schooner]

it'll be back to the "All Raccoon Channel" soon enough

[deft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-hangover-hungover-water-drinking-gif-17365804

[orchid rose]

Is this gif trying to claim it's not a loop

[peak mountain]

Anyone have any recommendations for a selhosted dashboard?

I'm trying to choose between homer and heimdall

[cedar chasm]

Respecting that everyone has their tastes, from what I can gather I'm just as well off with my "Smart Home" bookmark folder in my web browser

For the stuff I feel should be easily accessible within HA, I use https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/panel_iframe/ to get at them from the sidebar

[forest edge]

Claudette is such a crappy name for a storm lol

[cedar chasm]

Sounds like a no-nonsense lady to me

[urban notch]

Good afternoon, everyone...fresh meat checking in lol

[hearty depot]

would love to move further north -_- but for now stuck in the city

[hushed basalt]

The problem with wood burning is it's extremely extremely polluting

Crazy amounts of byproducts and PM2.5 pollution. Should be completely banned in metro areas.

Appcalypse cabins are one thing but

[light trout]

Ah! "For reasons" is the best reason 🎉

[forest edge]

with the exception of some types of electric by the time you factor in the pollutants created by the process of making the energy/fuel it pretty much balances right back out to be just as bad if not worse than conventional wood burning lol

[hushed basalt]

No way not even remotely true

[forest edge]

you should look up what the pollutants are from creating like natural gas and coal power plants lol

[hushed basalt]

Yes there's absolutely a lot of pollutants

But domestic wood heaters are way worse

There's plenty of studies if you want me to find some for you after work

Plus heat pumps can be sourced by clean energy sources. Wood heaters can't be clean no matter what.

[forest edge]

can't cook food with a heat pump

[lethal aurora]

I mean, you could, it would just take a REALLY long time 😛

[forest edge]

heh

well those studies are more designed to make someone feel good about buying a product rather than being accurate in comparing one thing to another. too many variables to really compare anyways so noway they could ever bring in the full picture anyways

[hushed basalt]

You cook with electric

[last cedar]

Mmmm, maybe with backup generator it is a bit extravagent

Lots of people still do it as main heat source in Sweden

[forest edge]

makes sense. in the middle of nowhere, often take swims in freezing ice water and don't shave your legs.. it all adds up lol

[last cedar]

Yessss

House I am moving to has pellets

[static schooner]

Sounds like raccoon food

[forest edge]

I wouldn't like that, if i ever had a wood burning stove it damn well better be big enough to accept logs and sticks lol

[peak mountain]

I finally got a script that disables reply mentions :)
No more pings for mono and Tinkerer haha

[last cedar]

It is just compressed sawdust. Quite ok energy levels per kg and dirt cheap.

Can also be pulled from a container with a screw (it loads itself)

[hushed basalt]

How cold does it get there

He nothing beats air sourced heat pumps but it doesn't get below 5 degrees most winter nights

[long wedge]

What is the right channel to ask a question about mqtt?

Specifically mqtt and docker

[dusky plank]

what do you connect with it? in general you can ask this in #general-archived

[long wedge]

Basically I've HA running in docker and I'm going to run MQTT in docker but I'm not sure how difficult this is

Like to connect the two together, I imagine not too difficult

[deft pewter]

You'll be running an MQTT broker in a container. You 'connect' the two together via the MQTT protocol (which is pretty similar to how browsers use HTTP to access websites).

There are plenty of resources on the internet on how MQTT works.

[long wedge]

Yeah, so I run the broker in a container and connect to it via the intergration in HA which sounds simple enough. Found this guide which looks like it will be what I need to do https://hometechhacker.com/mqtt-using-docker-and-home-assistant/

[dusky plank]

did you read the channel topic yet?

[worn willow]

I see Kindle Fire HD 10 2021 version on sale for $79 in US on Prime Day. Anyone have experience using those as a HA display or rooting them?

[clever mortar]

#frontend-archived would be better able to advise I'm sure

[peak mountain]

Does anyone have a good guide to installing Ubuntu server on a Mac computer?

Ive only been able to find ones for normal Ubuntu, and I'm not sure how much the process will differ

Especially since half of the tutorial is gui stuff

[desert vapor]

you don´t need to root them, just install the google play store on it and remove the ad, and there you go a normal android tablet

[deft pewter]

Assume they're the same until you find something that differs 😉 No-one has all the answers, we just figure it out as we go along.

[peak mountain]

Thanks mono 👍 I'll probably have some issue and ask about it later, in that case

[hearty depot]

startet playing around with https://ivre.rocks - Now I got around 30 sheets of paper in the printer with strings lie Random1Random2Random3Random4
thanks nmap -_-

[last cedar]

I have seen - 27C here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/693583922717523988/856562680336613376/Screenshot_20210621-175353_Facebook.jpg

[clever mortar]

Thankfully it's never got that cold before

Got down to about -18C or so this winter, which was ... nippy enough

[deft pewter]

5 degrees Celsius? That's still t-shirt weather.

[clever mortar]

5C is, but below -5 you need longer sleeves

[deft pewter]

Last time we went to Barcelona was a December... it was funny seeing all the locals in their winter jackets while I was wearing jeans and t-shirts 😄

I think it was still around 10... no idea why they need a jacket on.

[worldly sierra]

must be Canadian 😄

[deft pewter]

Worse. British.

At least Canadians get warm summers.

[worldly sierra]

ah, missed the part where it was raining... 😄

[peak mountain]

I'm from California so I love when it rains, but I reckon you guys are sick of it

[worldly sierra]

I fled that pit after brexit hooha

[deft pewter]

I'm lucky. It rarely rains where I am. I'm east of the Pennines, so we're well sheltered.

It's not the biggest mountain range in the world but geography means I live in a dry-ish area. The UK has a southwesterly prevailing wind and all the moisture that's carried by winds off the Atlantic gets dumped by the time it gets here 😂

[peak mountain]

Are you a fan of the rain?

Like in general

[deft pewter]

If I'm running and it's hot out, a bit of rain is nice. Otherwise no.

[peak mountain]

For running it's nice, but it freaks me out when I'm biking lol

[worldly sierra]

The problem with UK rain is that it is endless. Unlike some other countries, for example Lund Sweden is similar lat to birmingham, has similar amount of rain, twice as much sun. Pisses down and get's it over with. Uk will have the same amount of rain spread over 2 weeks in light drizzle

Jhb South Africa has rain literally every afternoon in summer. But it's like the heaviest down pore ever and over in 15 minutes and sun resumes.

[deft pewter]

Light drizzle is the best kind.

[dusky plank]

i installed a ac today, summer is significantly more pleasant now 🙃

[deft pewter]

I don't want to be soaked through if I'm unlucky enough to be caught outside in a downpour. 15 minutes of light drizzle is fine - you dry off in no time.

[worldly sierra]

for running maybe. or ruining a BBQ, birthday party, wedding, etc... 😄

15 minute of heavy rain you know will be over soon? Just wait it out....

you cant wait out british rain

[peak mountain]

I'm from Switzerland, and (at least where I lived) the rain was very pleasant. It usually only lasted for a few days (at most)

[dusky plank]

chüchichaschtli

[deft pewter]

Bless you

[worldly sierra]

I'm in Swederland now 😄

[dusky plank]

its switzer german for kitchen cupboard 😂

[peak mountain]

haha

[static schooner]

Is that near Norwegia?

[deft pewter]

Makes sense. It's where you keep your shashlik.

[peak mountain]

Where in Switzerland are you?

[deft pewter]

Full addresses only, please.

[worldly sierra]

😂 https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/swederland-airline-competition-sweden-switzerland

[deft pewter]

Is is true that IKEA is Swedish for 'meatballs'?

[peak mountain]

I think it's just an acronym

It stands for Ingvar Kamprad Elmtaryd Agunaryd

[deft pewter]

But the adverts said it's Swedish for meatballs 😢

[peak mountain]

Wait they did?

[deft pewter]

I'm never going to believe the adverts again.

[peak mountain]

What???

That is really funny

Apparently IKEA meatballs are actually Turkish 😔

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/03/europe/swedish-meatballs-turkey-intl/index.html

[late gate]

Yeah meatballs is kjöttbullar in swedish so far from IKEA

[deft pewter]

Cut balls? 😮

[late gate]

You never know 😉

[worldly sierra]

it's a literal translation Kött = meat bullar = balls (no j)

the ö is kinda like halfway between u and oo in english.

[last cedar]

Are you also a Britain to Sweden defector?

[deft pewter]

There are dozens of you.,

[orchid rose]

The smart ones

[lucid bison]

i know from experience

yorkshire dude here

[worldly sierra]

A little bit more complicated, born in South Africa, brit citizen. moved to UK in 2010, escaped 2017

[forest edge]

euro chatter

[cedar chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/money-youngcapital-make-money-work-geld-make-it-rain-gif-12957828

Though us of the Northern persuasion prefer kroner

https://tenor.com/view/krunker-free-kr-club-penguin-dancing-gif-20537936

[deft pewter]

I too would prefer to carry crowns in my pocket to trade for goods and services.

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-english-rowan-atkinson-secret-agent-comedy-spy-workingtitlefilms-gif-14893321

[cedar chasm]

I really don't understand how any other currency can be considered fungible

[static schooner]

if it can't keep the rain off your head, what good is it really?

[deft pewter]

This is why our new plastic money is brilliant.

Just glue a bunch together until you have a waterproof poncho.

[cedar chasm]

Added bonus: only those with good credit get to stay dry

https://tenor.com/view/monocle-top-hat-cat-gif-10858322

[forest edge]

whoa mono's cat!

[cedar chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/neilsmiles-monocle-shocked-gif-13742674

[deft pewter]

How could he be so careless with his monocle? It'll get scratched.

[cedar chasm]

Obviously something shook him to his core

I can only speculate as to what horrors went on

[crisp sapphire]

Can confirm its def what he said in swedish

kött bullar = meat balls

[dusky plank]

k = sh

[static schooner]

like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Krzyzewski

[dusky plank]

ɕœtˌbɵlːar

[crisp sapphire]

^

[cedar chasm]

Cross the border to Norway and it's kjøttboller, good times

[dusky plank]

you don‘t even need to cross borders here to hear incromprehensible languages

i live for more than 30 yrs here and still cannot understand some in the valleys

[cedar chasm]

Hoch-Deutsch or gtfo, am I right?

https://tenor.com/view/how-high-high-420-germany-german-gif-5608127

[dusky plank]

been in berlin for 2 years, i really really appreciate hochdeutsch, sounds so much more professional than the austrian dialects

https://tenor.com/view/soulpride-flute-tune-remix-dance-gif-16771622

[cedar chasm]

Well, don't sell the regional and Austrian dialects short; that's how brexit happens

[dusky plank]

true, can‘t live without it… its basically how we make fun of germans 😜

i see so many star trek memes… something happened? never watched it

[cedar chasm]

Not plugged in to the memeosphere, so couldn't really tell you about current trends

[dusky plank]

somehow every time i see a video of bigclivedotcom on youtube I think "hmmm this guy could totally be Tinkerer"

[static schooner]

all great artists have an alter ego

[peak mountain]

Does anyone know how to get to the boot menu on a mac with a windows keyboard

holding alt didnt work for me

[crisp sapphire]

speaking of one national treasure. Photonic is back!!!!!

And he hasn't changed one bit

[brisk glen]

Well now I’m testing out an eero 6 pro and holy shit

I might dump UniFi and keep this and just order another for my parents

The UniFi cameras have a better connection….

[forest edge]

that eero stuff is on sale for prime day

some of them have built in zigbee hubs which is kind of interesting

[brisk glen]

The pro 6 is not on sale due to chip shortages

And yes it has a zigbee hub and hardware for thread once they get the software ready for it

Bluetooth 5 as well

Software defined radios are the icing on the cake

[tidal bronze]

So wifi uplinks are faster than hardwired unifi 🤔

[dusky plank]

except hes now carrying 👶🏻

[tidal bronze]

Best prime deal ever

[forest edge]

audio nerd

[static schooner]

But it’s flexibler and robuster

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge hmmm take another look or two 🤣

[static schooner]

My phone really fought me on that

[tidal bronze]

optical cable but 24k gold plated jacket for better conduction, yep truly a PRIME deal

[forest edge]

if it's not gold it obviously dosen't mean quality right

[static schooner]

It reflects the laser better

I wonder if that’s a stock ‘waveform comparison’ image

[warm hazel]

I've just discovered something very unexpected. If you turn your PI hosting HA using a zigbee power outlet, you can't turn it back on without plugging the pi elsewhere...
I shouldn't do home automation in the morning (honestly don't remember last time I was awake this early)

[clever mortar]

[cedar chasm]

Good practice to have a kill switch, though I fear cutting the power isn't enough

[forest edge]

the oem power cord for the rpi should come with a toggle switch embedded imo. never really cared for yanking the cord

[subtle pasture]

They don't include that because they don't recommend cutting power like that

You're supposed to do a safe shutdown from inside the OS

[hushed basalt]

Switch it off at the outlet

Or make a switch for the Pi itself

Using GPIO

Or don't use a PI

It is a learning computer for children after all

[deft pewter]

They have their uses for some small projects... but they're in an awkward spot between an NUC and an ESP.

#330990055533576204 can advise. No HA support in this channel.

[meager birch]

Thanks

[forest edge]

yea for those wonderful times you can actually do that lol

[subtle pasture]

You locking it up so hard you can't perform a shutdown?

[clever mortar]

On a Pi, not that hard

[forest edge]

all kinds of things can cause you to have to yank the cord lol

[clever mortar]

It's also entirely possible on other hosts 😄

[subtle pasture]

I don't see what it being a pi has to do with locking it up. Overclocking it?

[clever mortar]

I've hard locked large server setups more than once. It's simply harder to do with more resources.

[forest edge]

it's a prject board so adding a switch to the cord makes sense regardless what is "recommended"

[subtle pasture]

You can also just hit the reset pin on the SoC. The first thing I always do is wire up power/reset buttons...

[forest edge]

yea.. yanking the cord is easier

[subtle pasture]

You were just complaining that yanking the cord was harder than flipping a switch

Now pushing a button is hard? lol

[forest edge]

having to add said button before hand... uh yea..

[subtle pasture]

It's a Pi, the entire point is DiY...

[forest edge]

thus a switch on the cord...

derp

[subtle pasture]

Thus use the dedicated reset pins...

[forest edge]

then include the buttons presoldered

[subtle pasture]

Why? They'd go to waste on a ton of builds

[forest edge]

adding a switch to a power cord is a not a waste or expensive lol

[subtle pasture]

You can get a kit from Canakit that includes a switched USB cable with your Pi, if you really want.

But I wouldn't 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

like i said

[subtle pasture]

It is when you'd never use it...

[forest edge]

wish it was included oem

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, they won't do that, because they specifically advise against using those cables 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

everyone who has really ever tinkered with a pi has had to yank the cord atleast once

anyone who says they haven't never did shit with a pi lol

[subtle pasture]

shorts the reset pin to ground

No need to yank the cord even if it hard locks...

[forest edge]

well you like doing stuff the hard way.. that's you

[subtle pasture]

... hitting the dedicated reset button is the hard way?

Aight...

[cedar chasm]

My kill switch was going to be more along the lines of dropping the pi in a vat of acid, so the fuzz can't get to it right away

[subtle pasture]

@cedar chasm Thermite will destroy it faster 👀

[cedar chasm]

Nois

[hushed basalt]

Thermite has more collateral damage risk though

The only safe choice is to nuke it from orbit

[clever mortar]

Go up a bit, black hole it to be really sure

[hushed basalt]

Yeah but I don't have the gravity nor energy to create one of those

[low harness]

Not to be that guy, but that'll have to be some serious precision nuking to cause less collateral damage than thermite.

[clever mortar]

Well, nobody nearby will complain if you nuke it

[hushed basalt]

Only if you're casual

[last cedar]

Raccoons can be pretty destructive

🦝

[cedar chasm]

In case of fuzz pull emergency raccoon lever..
I like it

[hushed basalt]

https://c.tenor.com/UNRSE_NNLlgAAAAM/raccoon-attack.gif

[cedar chasm]

The prototype looks very promising

[hushed basalt]

Can hide your crystals as well
https://c.tenor.com/QoZXN_0uRskAAAAM/raccoon-disappear.gif

[crisp sapphire]

May i ask what the obsession with raccoon's is all about?

[deft pewter]

No idea what you mean.

[crisp sapphire]

must be me

[deft pewter]

🦝

[peak mountain]

This always makes me so sad :(

[cedar chasm]

You know what they say: If you meet a raccoon once in a day, you met a raccoon. If you meet raccoons all day , you're the raccoon.

[glacial knot]

what if I meet senior management all day? o.0

[clever mortar]

Peter principle is being prepared

[deft pewter]

Only works for raccoons and assholes.

[clever mortar]

So, senior management...

[deft pewter]

Aha. I was trying to describe that to someone before and forgot the name. Thanks.

[cedar chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[peak mountain]

Anyone have any ideas on how to use an extra pi 4? I migrated to my mac mini, and now I have a decent server sitting around...

[cedar chasm]

Mine runs my DHCP service

[peak mountain]

Oh, that's a good idea

[deft pewter]

Pi's make pretty decent paperweights.

And if you have a proper server... run the DHCP on there 😉

[peak mountain]

Look, for smaller stuff they work good enough, and they're so small that I can stick them in other places in my house

[clever mortar]

PiHole/AdGuard home?

[deft pewter]

Don't get me wrong, I have a Pi... I just don't use it for much 😄

[peak mountain]

Look it's so cute ❤️

[clever mortar]

Attach a large USB hard disk and make it your backup server, assuming you don't have one already

[peak mountain]

I'm using cloud storage for my backups, but I guess I could attach a ssd and move it off site :)

[cedar chasm]

I have two pi's in 19" 1U mountplate, for teh lulz

[deft pewter]

If you're doing anything where you want something small and inconspicuous, use an ESP. If you're doing something that needs a real computer, use an NUC/server.

[cedar chasm]

to get some mileage out of it, it's my dhcp service

[peak mountain]

I'm running this on my main server, do you think it would be better on the pi?

[cedar chasm]

but mostly it's just fun

[deft pewter]

If it's already on the main server, keep it there.

Don't put critical stuff (like your networking) on a kid's toy.

[cedar chasm]

Unless you like fun and games, like meeeeeeeee

[clever mortar]

Local backups are a great addition to cloud backups

Makes for way faster recovery times

[peak mountain]

I guess I could always backup both places

[clever mortar]

Multiple backups are good

[peak mountain]

So you suggest keeping the pi at home and backing up to it? I was thinking of moving it to my friend's house

[clever mortar]

Well, one at home with local backups, one at a friends with remote backups

[peak mountain]

Cool. I guess I'll just keep it here and use it for backups and smaller dumb projects

Thanks for the help :)

[stray coral]

So working on some stuff at home, Trying to determine how much storage an average user uses at home. so question for the group: on average, how much hard drive space do you have on your computer and how much is used?

[glacial knot]

Pi for backup? Does it have a proper storage port?

[deft pewter]

USB counts, right?

[clever mortar]

Many TB, most of it 😄

[stray coral]

how many is many @clever mortar

[glacial knot]

256G in Laptop. 100ish used
Couple TB on pc, like 2ish used

[clever mortar]

Last I checked, I've got about 20 TB of storage, give or take

[stray coral]

now if you guys had a media server to offload video/music to

[clever mortar]

Plex...

[stray coral]

so is that yourplex?

[clever mortar]

Plex, and other stuff

[stray coral]

if so, can you estimate how much isnt plex

[clever mortar]

We're not talking r/datahoarder levels here, but about half my storage isn't videos

[glacial knot]

Mostly not video stuff. vm images and data from couple years for me as well

[stray coral]

got ya

going VDI at home

[glacial knot]

F

[stray coral]

so trying to figure out how much to allocate for the end user

yeah

tell me about it

[clever mortar]

Lots 😄

[stray coral]

i guess im a masochist

[clever mortar]

I do a fair bit of digital photography though

[stray coral]

wife and i run a photo/video too

[peak mountain]

I have 1.5tb on my laptop, using 700gb (I need to clean it off though)
Then I have a 4tb NAS which is about 1/4 full (Mostly photos etc, its a google drive replacement)
And smaller disks on my Mac Mini and pi (250 SSD each)

[glacial knot]

Why allocate? o.0
Through stuff into pooled systems and quota it if you need a limit

[stray coral]

so that is going to be centralized

no i know

but like

allocate

then pool

was my thought

so i know at MAX usage, what can i do

[glacial knot]

?? I’m confused.
Or are you planing how much to buy atm?

[stray coral]

planning how much to buy

sorry

[glacial knot]

Kk. Users? Just you, you and partner, kids, leachers?

[stray coral]

lets shoot for 4 end users

a few linux distros

mac osx

and windows

and preboot to choose

all files and folders map

[glacial knot]

Preboot to choose? I don’t quite get that
Do you want virtual machines with multiple OS? Because I’d do different vms for different OS

You can get by easily with 20G per Linux root.
For windows I’m unsure. I usually reserve 100G, but I barely use it
Probably similar for Mac

[stray coral]

so basically i want seemless vm

so you log onto pc:
Welcome
Pick your OS

[glacial knot]

And then just an estimate on data grave requirements

[stray coral]

then have user profiles map across os

it needs to be seamless for end user

so thats why no regular vm

[glacial knot]

Nice. In house AD. Have fun suffering

[stray coral]

uip

[glacial knot]

At least use openldap I guess

[stray coral]

masochist

lol

yeah that was the plan for that

[glacial knot]

What do you intend to run on the end user device?

[stray coral]

heaviest use would be gaming

so again

masochist

[glacial knot]

No. I meant what’s installed on your Laptop/Thinclient/Whatever

[stray coral]

nothing rn

it goes pxe

to thinstation

[glacial knot]

And pulls?

[stray coral]

yeah

[glacial knot]

You still need something that Interfaces with usb/Display and forwards stuff

[stray coral]

hmmm well i guess i was about to find that out

lol

im legit booting my laptop to the fresh image atm

lol

[glacial knot]

Maybe I’m confused about your Idea of vdi

[stray coral]

https://hinchley.net/articles/use-thinstation-to-build-a-network-bootable-rdp-enabled-thin-client-image/

thats what im following

i thought that you could do like ephemeral images or w/e

PXELINUX is what im using, my b. hard to get points across via text

if thats what you're getting at

[peak mountain]

Any recommendations for self-hosted remote desktop software? Like an alternative to team-viewer or jump desktop

[deft pewter]

What's wrong with VNC?